Recommended Reading
An excellent and thoughtful essay on the nature of hell, by C. R. Hardy at NRO.
An excerpt:
And then, neither of us looking at the other, she said the following — slowly and deliberately, as if she had been formulating the thought all afternoon: “I also believe that hell exists. But I just realized that I don’t live as if I believed that hell exists. And Auschwitz, that’s just what man can do. But what can God do?”
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This was my favorite passage from that:
[If there is no hell, then everything is permitted. Then Hitler is the same as you and the same as me, and he is laughing because now heÂ’s only watching the game.]
Posted by: reagan80 at April 19, 2007 07:39 PM (fO04l)
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The existence ofa Hell assumes that God requires certain behavior and certain results.
Except a perfect deity requires nothing and lacks for nothing.
Posted by: Mark at April 20, 2007 10:55 AM (2MrBP)
Posted by: Casca at December 22, 2006 08:30 PM (2gORp)
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Agree w. Casca. At the v.least in linguistics. Al-Z got a bit heated in the end , when the naive would have expected the spirit of peace and harmony to finally soar... But still. excellent translation.
Posted by: bunuel at December 23, 2006 11:59 AM (FIXXT)
Happy Shavu'ot!
For my Jewish friends, a Shavu'ot poem:
Autumn Season
Truth
is the
Sword of Gevurah
that the Just Warrior wields with Mighty Power!
I say unto Thee:
Defend Thy Honor fiercely
with Noble Courage that Towers above the Tide.
I say unto Thee:
Feed the Hungry of Body and Spirit,
Give them Hope for Health and Livelihood.
I say unto Thee:
Protect the folk from those who would seek to steal away
their precious rights!
I say unto Thee:
Be Thou Swift to shine the Light of Truth upon
those who deceive, delude and dishonor,
hiding behind the dark veil of privilege.
Shine the Light now,
so that Ye may walk with Honor to Thy Destiny.
Rememberest Thou:
whatsoever is the will of man...
the Lord God demands Truth and Justice
from those who would seek to serve
Heaven...
Understand why it Rains, Know why the Wind Howls:
Be Wise when you are offered the Hand of Redemption!
Justice must prevail!
You are the Servant
that must Right the great Injustice that has been wrought.
(by Rabbi Alyjah Navy)
I'm not Jewish, but I will enjoy the traditional Chalav observance tonight by eating a bowl of chocolate chip cookie dough ice cream with my favorite chocolate syrup and a big glass of water. mmmmm. Not exactly kosher, but that's the advantage of being Catholic.
Prayer Request
Please remember Gcotharn's mom in your prayers. Though I've never met Greg, he's been a great friend and supporter of this blog, and it's a sad thing that has happened in his family. I hope his mom will have a full recovery.
Prayer "Failure" Study Misses The Point
A recently concluded study on the power of prayer supposedly found no evidence that prayer had any effect on the recovery of 1800 heart patients.
In fact, the study found some of the patients who knew they were being prayed for did worse than others who were only told they might be prayed for -- though those who did the study said they could not explain why.
The patients in the study at six U.S. hospitals included 604 who were actually prayed for after being told they might or might not be; another 597 patients who were not prayed for after being told they might or might not be; and a group of 601 who were prayed for and told they would be the subject of such prayer.
. . .
Among the first group -- who were prayed for but only told they might be -- 52 percent had post-surgical complications compared to 51 percent in the second group, the ones who were not prayed for though told they might be. In the third group, who knew they were being prayed for, 59 percent had complications.
. . .
"Intercessory prayer itself had no effect on whether complications occurred (and) patients who were certain that intercessors would pray for them had a higher rate of complications than patients who were uncertain but did receive intercessory prayer," the study said.
I would caution against concluding from this study that prayer is ineffective. Such a conclusion misses a fundamental aspect of our relationship with God.
That is, simply put, God can say "no."
Just because someone does not get what they prayed for, does not mean that the prayer was not answered. It's an obvious point, but one that escapes a surprising number of people ― even many religious people.
Posted by: Casca at March 30, 2006 11:02 PM (2gORp)
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Missing the obvious is one thing, designing a study based on missing the obvious is another. Were I a cynical man, I'd suggest that conclusion was "pre-ordained".
Posted by: Pursuit at March 31, 2006 12:06 AM (1GIg7)
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This BS 'study', like evolution studies and "The DaVinci Code" and such are all of the same stripe- attempts to disprove the existence of God. This is what liberals live for. For if you can disprove God's existence, then you can debunk divinely inspired moral codes such as The Ten Commandments and The Beatitudes. And once you've eliminated externally imposed moral codes, well, then there's no limit on human social behavior- pedophilia, bestiality, polyamory, etc.
I talk to people about religion, and once in a while someone will say "I don't believe in God" to which I reply, "He's gonna be pissed when He finds out."
Posted by: Barry at March 31, 2006 03:25 AM (kKjaJ)
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Annika, thanks for sharing. I totally agree and it's nice to get some confirmation that we agree on "higher" matters as well as politics.
Barry, I am SO gonna use that line!!
Posted by: Trint at March 31, 2006 07:08 AM (SlSdA)
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I don't believe God says "no." He does say one of three things, I think:
1. Yes
2. Yes, but not now.
3. I've got something better in mind.
Posted by: Hugo at March 31, 2006 10:02 AM (Yu24L)
Posted by: strawman at March 31, 2006 10:35 AM (0ZdtC)
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Being scientists, I think it's safe to assume they haven't read the part of the Gospels where Satan tempted Jesus. Which means they missed the part about "thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
And, hello, just because they asked people to pray doesn't mean these are necessarily the people God's gonna be inclined to listen to! I know this doesn't "square" with some views of answering prayer, but all I know is, I have a friend who prays to St. Anthony for Really Important Things. And every single time, her prayer is answered "yes." Similarly, when my mom prays for me, life just works out better. I'm just sayin', who does the praying *might* make a difference.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at March 31, 2006 10:51 AM (XUsiG)
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Alternate interpretation:
The 59 percent with complications in the third group were the ones who were certain that they were being prayed for. Perhaps they put too much faith in the power of others' prayers.
The first two groups did better, and they were the ones who weren't certain if they were being prayed for. That uncertainty may have compelled them to add their own prayers to their recovery, which may have made allthe difference.
In other words, as ol' Ben said: "The Lord helps those who help themselves."
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 31, 2006 01:05 PM (AQ6ZY)
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You seem like a very nice young lady.
But sometimes reality has a way of making our fantasies just that much harder to hang on to.
You believe what you want to believe, it hurts no one.
Posted by: Gryphen at March 31, 2006 01:05 PM (Fz6UC)
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One wonders how much of a "control" study can be done on this issue..as the study notes,
One caveat is that with so many individuals receiving prayer from friends and family, as well as personal prayer, it may be impossible to disentangle the effects of study prayer from background prayer," Manoj Jain of Baptist Memorial Hospital, Memphis, Tennessee, another author of the report
And how many of those outstide the control group prayed for, perhaps, different outcomes..
Posted by: Col Steve at March 31, 2006 01:50 PM (pj2h7)
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I believe in god, I think he gave some instructions to us on morality available to all people through their concious. SOme people have been more receptive to this instruction and so we follow their example, that is the basis of morality.
I do not believe, however, that God does anything to help us in this world. We do our best, and hope for an afterlife. God is not going to cause the rain to fall on some and not on others because they pray for it.
Posted by: Kyle N at March 31, 2006 03:58 PM (3aYP6)
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"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.
http://www.randi.org/
Posted by: strawman at March 31, 2006 05:31 PM (0ZdtC)
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Fucking Christian Scientists are at it again. It's not science.
LF, ask your mom how much her scale is for praying for me. I like to go with a known winner.
Posted by: Casca at March 31, 2006 05:52 PM (2gORp)
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I'm with Kyle. I used to be a Christian apologist, but eventually tired of tying myself in knots, appealing to the 'mystery', etc.
Posted by: will at March 31, 2006 06:57 PM (h7Ciu)
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Does sharing a blog expose me to the lightning strike?
I disavow these infidels...
Posted by: shelly at April 02, 2006 06:45 PM (wZLWV)
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Sometimes I thank God for unanswered prayers
Remember when you're talkin' to the man upstairs
That just because he may not answer doesn't mean he don't care
Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers
--from "Unanswered Prayers" by Garth Brooks
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Yes, and some of the nicest thoughts I've had about anyone were the ones I forgot to have.
What childish drivel Hedge, just another sophism to help the clueless find a way to make the absence of the big guy proof of his existance.
Posted by: strawman at April 03, 2006 09:00 AM (0ZdtC)
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There have been a number of studies showing that prayer does have a positive impact on recovery. So, I guess the debate will continue. Regardless, from my own Christian perspective, I believe that each of us has his/her own personal relationship with God that may ultimately affect any outcome associated to one's personal life - regardless of who is praying for us.
Frankly, I am a little uncomfortable trying to combine the physical and the metaphysical. Each has their own place. If I were sick, would want others to pray for me? Of course. But let me assure you that I'd sure as heck be praying for the best freakin' doctor that I could find.
Posted by: Blu at April 03, 2006 12:17 PM (j8oa6)
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bLU,
Always knew you were a level headed guy.
I, an athiest am willing to believe that prayer may certainly be able to influence the process of recouperation so long as the patient is aware of the efforts and believes in the process. THis is not, of course, an example of devine intervention but rather intentionality; a person's ability to affect the workings of their body through the force of their beliefs. Happy, optimistic forward looked people who are loved and love others, do better in recovery than sad, lonely depressives.
Posted by: strawman at April 03, 2006 12:47 PM (0ZdtC)
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I guess that I just don't believe any "study" of prayer can capture whether prayer does or does not work. You can neither know the heart and mind of the sick person nor the people who are praying. Each person, I believe, has his/her own relationship with God. So, I've never been impressed with positive studies just as I'm not impressed with this negative one.
I do believe that God has provided humanity with the capacity to reason and, as a result, we have evolved in our ability to treat disease by learning about it. He has given, I think, some the heart and the intellect to study medicine and become doctors. Do I believe they are perfect? No. But, they are a vast improvement over the medicine-men and witch doctors that used to parade as healers in the past. I'm happy to be prayed for just as I'm happy as hell to live in the 21st century where I don't have to worry about some primitive "bleeding" me in an attempt to heal me.
Posted by: Blu at April 03, 2006 01:50 PM (j8oa6)
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You reminded me of the old SNL skit with Steve Martin called "Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber." Remember that one?
The funniest line was:
"Well, I'll do everything humanly possible. Unfortunately, we barbers aren't gods. You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter's was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach"
Posted by: annika at April 03, 2006 02:12 PM (fxTDF)
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Blu,
Bad news, Pal, leeches are back as are maggots. They are currently being used in many deep wound situations to keep wounds clean and to keep blood from clotting.
Posted by: strawman at April 04, 2006 05:13 AM (0ZdtC)
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That's like a bad episode of Fear Factor. I've actually seen the maggots thing recently on Discover (or something like that.) I guess that I'll have to cut our medieval healers some slack.
Posted by: Blu at April 04, 2006 07:32 AM (j8oa6)
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Strawman: You can insult me, but when you call a Garth Brooks lyric drivel, well then you're on the fightin' side of me.
As for the intellectual superiority of atheists over believers, on the belief side we have moral, intellectual and literary giants such as Maimonedes, Sir Thomas More, Augustine, and in modern times, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, Rabbi Joseph Soloveichik, the Reverend Martin Luther King, Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, C.S. Lewis, JRR Tokien and Annika. On your side, we have Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Madeline Murray O'Hare and the Strawman. I'll take the believers, thank you.
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Hedge,
You silly little ball of hog.
There are, of course, millions of deep thinking, sophisticated, intellectually superior men and women other than myself who find the belief in god superfluous to living good loving, moral, ethical and productive lives. How about Warren Buffet, Richard Dawkins, Isaac Asimov, Arthur Miller, Ayn Rand, Angelina Jolie, Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman, Douglas Hofstadter, Bjork, and the sage Micky Dolenz.
http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Stupid argument from a low to the ground European animal with a pea sized brain that refuses to eat pork or mussels.
Posted by: strawman at April 05, 2006 08:59 AM (0ZdtC)
Benedict's First Encyclical
An excellent short post on Pope Benedict's Deus Caritas Est is over at Hugo's. I wholeheartedly agree with the Pope, and Hugo's, thoughts on the separation of charity and proselytization. Although I recognize that for much of my church's history, that separation was blurred at best. I do think it's most effective, especially on a personal level, to proclaim the Gospel more by example and less by argument.
Posted by: Scof at January 27, 2006 09:24 AM (a3fqn)
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On the other hand, I once worked at an inner city mission for the homeless, They gave out good food and preached during the eveng meal. There were at least a few people who turned away from alcohol because of a religous experience.
Posted by: Kyle N at January 27, 2006 12:12 PM (UKuFN)
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"There were at least a few people who turned away from alcohol because of a religous experience."
Our current president being one of them....
Posted by: reagan80 at January 27, 2006 03:22 PM (K9tdw)
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Yes Ray,
He'd been an abusive, angry, lying sack of shit who also drank too much. Too bad religion only got him to give up one bad habit.
Posted by: Strawman at January 29, 2006 05:05 PM (0ZdtC)
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"He'd (sic) been an abusive, angry, lying sack of shit who also drank too much. Too bad religion only got him to give up one bad habit."
Shit straw, sounds more like you... do you drink too much?
Posted by: Casca at January 29, 2006 06:36 PM (2gORp)
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Hey StrawDude,
Do you get your material from Howard Dean, Paul Begala, or James Carville---visionary thinkers all. The ad hominem attacks only demonstrates the extent to which "W" has kicked the shit out of you guys. Here is an idea for Democrats: Come up with one new idea...just one. I won't hold my breath, though. The Dems idea of a policy debate is to run around saying "Bush lied, Bush lied." You fucking idiots haven't had a new idea since FDR tried to destroy our country with his brand of socialism. (Well, that is when he wasn't throwing non-white people in internment camps. Funny, how your heroes above don't have much to say about that action in a time of war, but are torn up about monitoring the calls of terroists.)
Anyway, the Left's disdain for religion is one (of many) reason you people lose election after election. So, go put on your Che Guevara T-Shirt and attend a Hugo Chavez rally. You'll feel right at home amongst people who idolize murderers and God-haters.
Posted by: Blu at January 30, 2006 09:41 AM (2LSwo)
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A link to two people who don't think much of God, the Pope, or Bush. (Strawman's peeps.)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060129/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/venezuela_sheehan
Posted by: Blu at January 30, 2006 11:29 AM (2LSwo)
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Hey Blu,
What do you think of god? I'm Curious.
You like the guy? Think he/she is doing a good job caring for his best works? DO ya think he has a plan?
BTW, the Japanese internment was a terrible crime against Americans and I don't know anybody who thinks differently. Nor do I think any historians on the left have given FDR a free ride about it. It is, however, a bit late for those on the left to protest it. But W is a lying sack of shit and history will record him as such.
How quickly you forget that he lost the first election and won the second by the smallest margin of a second term winner. This to you is kicking the shit outof something? That a majority of this nation currently feels he has bungled Iraq and is not trustworthy or competent. Wait 'till the midterms and you'll watch his party run away from him.
Posted by: Strawman at January 30, 2006 05:17 PM (0ZdtC)
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He lost the first election? Really? Weird, I thought he won the electoral college vote, which is how we elect Presidents in this country. Yep, I'm pretty sure he won---despite widespread Democrat voter fraud.
Posted by: Blu at January 30, 2006 05:51 PM (A+3OL)
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Blu,
Really? I didn't notice the W was president. My point was that more Americans wanted Al Gore to be president than wanted W. I do know that the electoral college is the method we use, none the less, it has been and continues to be a myth purpertrated by the Right that the country is in some RW slide. IT is not. The right to choose is supported by nearly 60%, the presidents popularity is less than 40%, the perception that he is an incompetent boob is shared by more than 50%, his lies about the need for SS over hall were rejected for what they were,distortions, his wish to have creationism taught as "just another point of view" was crushed with predjudice, his lie that "nobody could have imagined the levee's breaching" is clear to all who are not dead, his fear mongering about how if illegal wire taps had been in use prior to 911, it could have been stopped, utter nonsence, just a caculated lie to manipulate public opinion among the freightened sheep who make up a large part of this country. Why did Chainey pound away befor the invasion on the idea that there was a Saddam-Al Quieda connection regardless of there being NO supporting evidence? You think he had info he wouldn't share or he had an invasion agenda? The NYT call Bush a liar at least 5 times in Sunday's editorial and has refuted every stupid baseless argument the WH puts out about the need and legality of domestic spying: the lives it saves or could have saved, pure bullshit.
Blu, you are living a dream which is rapidly becoming a god infested , facist neightmare. W has the FEAR card and nothing more and you quake in your boots watching your constitutional protections go down the sewer.
Posted by: Strawman at January 31, 2006 10:06 AM (0ZdtC)
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The links between Sadaam and Al Quieda are well-docuemnted. He trained them in his country for years. Get over it. Read Stephen Hayes and stop listening to left-wingers with two-digit IQs.
You actually read the NY Times editorials? The specific editorial referenced was a fucking joke---one of the worse pieces of crap ever written by that piece of shit paper. (Maybe, Jason Blair wrote it.) They couldn't even cite relevant case law to support their argument. On the other hand, the President can easily make his case for based on several pre-FISA cases and a post-FISA case. Now, do you think the idiots at the NY Times, (who have NO constitutional scholars on their editorial board,) bothered to check the case law? Of course not. The NY Times is a Left-wing rag that is becoming less relevant each and every day. Check their circulation #s over the past decade.
Anyway, the difference between you and me (and the Right and Left generally) is the use of facts rather than just the spewing of BS. So, here is the case law (courtesy of John Hinderaker) that supports Bush and that proves you and the NY Times incorrect...as usual.
United States v. Clay, 430 F.2d 165 (5th Cir. 1970), in which the court held that federal statutes prohibiting wiretapping do not "[forbid] the President, or his representative, from ordering wiretap surveillance to obtain foreign intelligence in the national interest." Does the Times mention Clay? Of course not.
United States v. Butenko, 494 F.2d 593 (3rd Cir. 1974), where the court held that no judicial warrant was necessary where "surveillances ... were 'conducted and maintained solely for the purpose of gathering foreign intelligence information.'” Times doesn't mention it.
United States v. Truong, 629 F.2d 908 (4th Cir. 1980), where the court sustained the federal government's position, which it summarized as follows:
"In the area of foreign intelligence, the government contends, the President may authorize surveillance without seeking a judicial warrant because of his constitutional prerogatives in the area of foreign affairs."
The court explained why the President has the inherent constitutional authority to order warrantless electronic surveillance:
"For several reasons, the needs of the executive are so compelling in the area of foreign intelligence, unlike the area of domestic security, that a uniform warrant requirement would, following [United States v. United States District Court, 407 U.S. 297 (1972)], “unduly frustrate” the President in carrying out his foreign affairs responsibilities. First of all, attempts to counter foreign threats to the national security require the utmost stealth, speed and secrecy. A warrant requirement would add a procedural hurdle that would reduce the flexibility of executive foreign intelligence activities, in some cases delay executive response to foreign intelligence threats, and increase the chance of leaks regarding sensitive executive operations."
If the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals was right, then the New York Times is wrong. So, surely the Times must have some persuasive rebuttal to the Truong decision in support of its technical legal argument? No. The Times never refers to Truong.
United States v. Duggan, 743 F.2d 59 (2nd Cir. 1984), was a terrorism case in which the court, among other rulings, upheld the constitutionality of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). The court wrote:
"Prior to the enactment of FISA, virtually every court that had addressed the issue had concluded that the President had the inherent power to conduct warrantless electronic surveillance to collect foreign intelligence information, and that such surveillances constituted an exception to the warrant requirement of the Fourth Amendment."
A damning summary. Surely the Times has a rejoinder to the court's statement that the universal weight of authority is against the paper's position? Nope.
Those cases are pre-FISA, of course, and the Times says that FISA is the statute the administration "violated." So maybe the Times would argue that the pre-FISA cases don't apply. Such a claim would be unpersuasive on its face, since Congress cannot by statute or otherwise strip the executive branch of its constitutional powers. But there is, in fact, a post-FISA case that specifically addresses the question whether the passage of that statute could have changed the pre-existing principle that the President has constitutional power to order warrantless surveillance for foreign intelligence purposes. Since that case is directly on point, surely the Times discussed it. Right? Wrong. The Times never mentions In re: Sealed Case No. 02-001, decided in 2002 by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court of Review, the very court which is responsible for interpreting and applying FISA.
It's not hard to figure out why the Times editorialists pretend that Sealed Case No 02-001 doesn't exist. It conclusively refutes their legal position:
The Truong court, as did all the other courts to have decided the issue, held that the President did have inherent authority to conduct warrantless searches to obtain foreign intelligence information. ... We take for granted that the President does have that authority and, assuming that is so, FISA could not encroach on the PresidentÂ’s constitutional power.
So the only federal appellate court that has ruled on the issue says that the New York Times is wrong about the law. The Times, ostrich-like, pretends that the federal courts don't exist.
So, Strawman, as usual, I bury your bullshit with facts. You really are gonna have to bring your game up a level.
Posted by: Blu at January 31, 2006 10:40 AM (9Z/ir)
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Blu,
I am not a lawyer and rely on the interpretation of others who are so I cannot argue the decisions and interpretations that you would like to call facts.
I do, however, read and have heard many lawyers,(the latest was Reagans soliciter general) say you are wrong and that the warrantless taps, post FISA are illegal. If it were as cut and dry as you say it is there would not be such an uproar. A bi-partisian one at that.
Listening to the pin head last night I realized that the whole wire tap issue is a smoke screen. They really don't think the intel is that valuable nor do they believe they would have done better connectiong the dots pre-911. Rather what they are doing is defining the election strategy. They realize that the Dems are going to have to answer the question " ....so senator, in other words, if an operative is talk'in to Al Kida overseas you don't want to know what he's say'in?"
The fear card. If you oppose wirtapping you are willing to let American's be killed.
This is the only hope thay have for winning. All the real issues are in a shambles for the RW. Iraq is a debacle, the tax cuts have only benefitted the wealthy, real wages for Americans are dropping, economic growth is slow, spending is at an all time high, the diaster response and relief are deeply troubled plagued by incompetence at the top and the surplus they inherited has turned into the largest debt ever.
Fear is their only card. So you may parse the legality but it is meaningless. They couldn't and still can't find there way out of a gunny sack. What did Condiliar say the other day in response to the Hammas win? "Yes, Bob, we were quite surprised by that and I am goning to find out why we didn't have have a clue" (paraphrase) She has never had a clue, never will, she is in way over her head.
Posted by: Strawman at February 01, 2006 10:04 AM (0ZdtC)
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There are opinions and then there are facts. The court is the final arbitor of law. The appellate courts, as demonstrated by the relevant case law, have decided---REPEATEDLY---that the President has the authority. So, end of discussion. Now, people may be uncomfortable with the facts, but they are arguing their personal sentiments not the law.
BTW, C. Rice is by far the smartest and most intellectual Sec of State this country has ever had. Her recent work with N. Korea was universally applauded as brilliant. And her work with Israel and its barbaric neighbor has also been lauded as very effective and even-handed---as compared to Clinton's courting of those Palestinian fascists. Compare her to the idiot windbag of a woman Clinton installed for purely affirmative action reasons. It was Albright's (and Clinton's) mess that Rice cleaned up in N. Korea. Indeed, it is Clinton's mess world-wide that Bush has had to deal with since taking office. Their "head in the sand" foreign policy directly led to 9-11 and to a myriad of other problems in the world. Lucky for him that a stock-market fueled by imaginary internet profits allowed that idiot/serial adulterer to duck out just in time to avoid the blame for disaster with wich he left us.
Posted by: Blu at February 01, 2006 10:38 AM (9Z/ir)
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Oh, and economic growth has been very, very good. Do you even look at the numbers? On top of that, inflation has been low despite high energy prices. What world do you live in? Clinton handed us a recession, which TAX CUTS got us out of. Do you even understand basic macro-economics? And, yes, you are right there was a surplus---but then, as I said, Clinton gave us a recession and then his incompetence gave us 9/11. Surplus gone. Besides, the surplus was an illusion. Clinton got his "surplus" by gutting our military. This has been yet another area that Bush has had to salvage. Prior to Bush, our troops didn't have sufficient equipment for normal training. Do you ever wonder why 90% of the military despises Clinton and the Left?
Seriously, debating with you can be very annoying because you don't seem to have knowledge about fundamental concepts of law, economics, and political philosophy. Do you just make stuff up? Perhaps, you just mimick the Left-wingers you trust. I'm not certain. Regardless, do your homework or get your ass to graduate school. Or maybe just read a book.
Opinions are nice but facts are better.
Posted by: Blu at February 01, 2006 11:07 AM (9Z/ir)
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"C. Rice is by far the smartest and most intellectual Sec of State this country has ever had."
Well, I don't know. I seem to remember a guy by the name of Thomas Jefferson.
I'm not trying to pick on you Blu. You know I luv you. Rock on.
Posted by: annika at February 02, 2006 07:35 AM (naOK+)
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Annika,
I'm not a Thomas Jefferson fan. Spent A LOT OF TIME in graduate school and since reading Jefferson and reading about him. He was (admittedly) brilliant, arrogant, radical, and hypocritical. I much prefer Adams and Hamilton (in terms of Founding Dudes). His support of the French Revolution and his weak reasons for supporting it ought to be enough to turn the stomach of any conservative.
I know that it is tough to argue against the (main) writer of the Declaration and a Founder, but I don't think that he was even close to being the brightest of the Founders. He was, however,(second only to Franklin) an excellent self-promoter.
With regard to the Rice comment, I admittedly failed to think beyond the past several decades. So, hey, pick away. I can take it. Remember, I've spent many, many years debating academic/political crap. I can take it.
Posted by: Blu at February 02, 2006 10:17 AM (9Z/ir)
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Alright, Blu, if you don't like our first Secretary of State, how about these:
John Marshall, James Madison, James Monroe, John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay, Daniel Webster, William Seward, William Jennings Bryan, Charles Evans Hughes, Gen. George C. Marshall, John Foster Dulles, Dean Acheson, Henry Kissinger.
I am a big fan of Condi, but that's a pretty tough list to be at the top of.
Posted by: annika at February 03, 2006 06:48 PM (FbmKB)
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Man, Annika you do like the old white guys. (Must be a history major
I think that I like Madison the most of that group though he wasn't considered terribly effective. Kissinger might be the smartest of the bunch. But we all know his baggage. You are right---our country has has the benefit of some very smart men (and women.)
Posted by: Blu at February 03, 2006 07:01 PM (9Z/ir)
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Thanks, Annie, same to you. You've provided a lot of cheer for all of us, so a special merry, merry to you.
P.S. It's my birthday today as well. Does that suck, or what?
Posted by: shelly at December 25, 2005 03:16 AM (6mUkl)
Sunday Morning On Thursday
Here's a quote worth thinking about:
Man nurtures the suspicion that God, at the end of the day, takes something away from his life, that God is a competitor who limits our freedom and that we will be fully human only when we will have set him aside . . . There emerges in us the suspicion that the person who doesn't sin at all is basically a boring person, that something is lacking in his life, the dramatic dimension of being autonomous, that the freedom to say 'no' belongs to real human beings.
Overcome the temptation of a mediocre life, made of compromises with evil.
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Aristotle says that leading a good life gives you much more freedom than if you ignore all the rules.
A rule breaker spends all his time dealing with crises caused by his misdeeds. He has no freedom to do anything else.
Posted by: Jake at December 08, 2005 10:01 AM (r/5D/)
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I couldn't agree with this more.....great stuff. I just need to work on living up to that ideal a little more.
Posted by: Pursuit at December 08, 2005 01:15 PM (qzinZ)
Faith In The Face Of Tragedy And JobDisclaimer: This is a post i don't expect everyone to agree with.
Perhaps due to the ongoing disaster in the Gulf states, and some personal tragedies that have hit an alarming number of my blog friends recently, i've been seeing an unusual number of posts that deal with faith and tragedy.
It's the age old question. Why do bad things happen to good people? What does a person of faith do when tragedy strikes? How does one deal? What happens to a person's faith in an all-powerful and all-loving God when that God takes a loved one for no apparent reason?
One book of the Bible supposedly deals with this very question. It's the book of Job. Perhaps i'm not alone when i say that Job never really made me feel better for reading it. It's a strange book, and it's not a comfort at all, really. i read Job all the way through a few years ago. Let's just say i needed to read it at the time and leave it at that.
Basically, the gist of the story is this, as i recall. Job is a good and righteous man who's been blessed with a nice family and lots of money. One day, God makes a bet with the devil about whether or not Job will reject God if He lets the devil completely fuck with Job's life. So the devil kills all of Job's family, takes all his stuff, and gives Job boils on his skin.
Job gets pissed, but doesn't blame God at first. The devil continues to fuck him up, so Job asks a friend to talk to God for him. That ends up nowhere, and Job finally gets on the line with the Big Guy himself. Now God is pissed, and He says to Job (i'm paraphrasing) "Dude, why don't you create the entire universe in six days. Then you can come back here and pop off to me. Until then, shut your pie hole. I do what I want and you don't get to know the reason."
Now there are plenty of other parts in the Bible where one can go for real comfort in times of despair, but Job is not one of them. God doesn't come off looking very nice in Job, but that's not the point of the story. It's kind of the tough talk part of the Old Testament. We may not like the message, but we need to hear it at least once.
God's smackdown to Job, is one of the most awe inspiring and majestic passages of the Bible. It is hard reading when you're in trouble, though. You never thought God could be this sarcastic either:
From out of a storm,
the LORD said to Job:
Why do you talk so much
when you know so little?
Now get ready to face me!
Can you answer
the questions I ask?
How did I lay the foundation
for the earth?
Were you there?
Doubtless you know who decided
its length and width.
What supports the foundation?
Who placed the cornerstone,
while morning stars sang,
and angels rejoiced?
God goes on like this at some length. As they say, it ain't bragging if it's true.
Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea
or walked in the recesses of the deep?
Have the gates of death been shown to you?
Have you seen the gates of the shadow of death?
Have you comprehended the vast expanses of the earth?
Tell me, if you know all this.
What is the way to the abode of light?
And where does darkness reside?
Can you take them to their places?
Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Surely you know, for you were already born!
You have lived so many years!
Yah, so God is the Big Boss and we're just piss-ants. But He loves us anyway. Whether we know it, like it, believe it or want it, He still loves us because He created us.
My favorite holy day of obligation in the Catholic Church is the Feast of Christ the King. It's the last Holy Day of the liturgical year, and i think it's placed there for emphasis. It's a reminder to me that God is ruler over all. The universe is not a democracy, it is a monarchy and we are subjects of the King, not his equals.
Therefore i think it would be the height of arrogance for me to presume to know the mind of God. That's the lesson of the tower of Babel, and of the Book of Job. WTF, we humans can't even understand how light can act like both a particle and a wave. We don't know why neurons communicate across synapses. And every day, giant squid and great whales a hundred feet long fight death battles at the bottom of the sea that no man has ever witnessed. So for me to decide whether God is acting justly or unjustly, based on my own infinitely narrow vantage point on the universe, well it's the height of arrogance as i said.
i could choose to be pissed off at my own powerlessness, or i could find freedom in it. i never understand why so many people waste so much energy trying to reason God into or out of existence. Or trying to reason the nature of God. My knowledge that God exists was never based on reason. That knowledge is itself a gift from God and it remains in me as a result of my faith, not reason.
So i go on believing whether or not God's plan appears fair to me. i don't get to know the plan. Is that a cop-out? i don't think so. i think it's the essence of faith. If my faith were dependent on things like reason or observation or argument, it would be a very weak faith indeed. Yes, even my own mind, smart as i am, was created by Him.
Who endowed the heart with wisdom
or gave understanding to the mind?
There are no easy answers. When i see tragedies like what's going on in the Southeast right now, it saddens me and i want to ask why, God, why. But i also know that i can never really answer that question. He may choose to reveal the answer to me in His time. But then again He may not, and how can i ever know. Bad things might happen to good people for no fucking reason simply because i'm not supposed to be in the loop. i tend to mistrust people when they presume to know God's plan, even if what they're saying comes from a compassionate heart.
So what does that mean? What about God's love that we hear so much about. Where does that fit into a universe that may or may not be cruel in a completely arbitrary way. Job asked:
from my deep despair,
I complain to you, my God.
Don't just condemn me!
Point out my sin.
Why do you take such delight
in destroying those you created
and in smiling on sinners?
Do you look at things
the way we humans do?
Is your life as short as ours?
Is that why you are so quick
to find fault with me?
You know I am innocent,
but who can defend me
against you?
It's not that i'm some kind of Deist who believes that God acts arbitrarily. i believe He has a plan, i just don't believe i can know it. Similarly, i have experienced miracles in my own life and i know from whom they came. God has taken very good care of me, and i don't know why.
It's the knowledge of my own inferior wisdom that has enabled me to never have a crisis of faith, even in times of despair. My spiritual weakness is one of devoutness, not doubt. i have crises of apathy, not belief. i'm going through one now, as a matter of fact. But God's love for this world is obvious to me every time i hear the Gospel. And that's what overcomes the pain i see at times too often to ignore.
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That's some good paraphrasing, in my estimation.
Posted by: d-rod at August 31, 2005 10:18 PM (OMriY)
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Well said. It's like a Sunday School lesson, only with more cursing.
"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts."
Isaiah 55:8-9.
Posted by: James at August 31, 2005 10:52 PM (blfs0)
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Annika, I can't say that I've ever felt a great deal of sympathy for your political views. And I think that your taste in verse is woefully deficient. But that was one of the most moving expressions of faith and conviction in the face of adversity that I have ever read. And I am not even a Christian.
Posted by: kennteoh at September 01, 2005 01:50 AM (WJ7Rm)
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If you don't mind humouring me, did you lift those passages of the Bible from the King James version?
Posted by: kennteoh at September 01, 2005 01:52 AM (WJ7Rm)
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It's funny how people can take away different things from the same story. In the story of Job, God and the Devil decide to "completely fuck with Job's life" for no apparent reason then their own amusement, much like the Dukes do to Louis in "Trading Places." Like many Old Testament stories I think it portrays a spiteful, vengeful God and I can not find in the story where it shows His "love for this world." I'm an agnostic but the times when I do believe or pray to God it is not one that would do what was done to poor Job.
Posted by: Shug at September 01, 2005 06:26 AM (U7X+u)
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Another stellar example of why you are on my daily read list. God has indeed blessed you with intelligence, wit and beauty. We are all the richer for it. Thank you.
Posted by: Phil at September 01, 2005 06:49 AM (/8ZVt)
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i agree with you Shug. The Gospels are the counterpoint to that whole Old Testament thing, which is the central thesis of Christianity, i guess. But that's a whole 'nother blog post and one i may not be equipped to write.
Thank you kennteoh. That was not the KJV. It was a combination of the Contemporary English and New International versions.
Posted by: annika at September 01, 2005 06:52 AM (zUJ0x)
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Thank you, Annika, for your essay here. I really do appreciate your insight. I wish I could write as well as you!
As you pointed out, we are His creations, so He can do whatever He wants to with us. We can never measure up to His standards, His Perfection. Yet, He truly loves us and wants to help us live up to His Ideal. And that is pretty awesome, if you ask me!
Thank you for sharing with us.
Posted by: Dave at September 01, 2005 07:57 AM (6GFTi)
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Don't forget that Job got off light in comparison to the first set of so-called "friends." After God goes through the entire "Who are YOU?" thing, he then goes to the friends and says, "You'd better have Job pray for you."
I guess the message, if there is one, is that things such as pestilence and destruction and death, while painful in the present, are relatively meaningless in comparison to everything. I can understand how a secularist cannot be comforted by the message, but God was speaking to Job, not a secularist.
I've had some personal incidents (a relatively died recently), and combining this with Katrina and the upcoming anniversary of 9/11, your post was timely.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at September 01, 2005 09:03 AM (FPdMX)
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I think the book of Job explores not so much the mystery of God as the mystery of faith. We'll never know why things are as they are. It's enough to know that they ARE, and that we're capable of responsible, compassionate action-- a fact that all of us, theist or atheist or nontheist or whatever, can agree on.
Good post, A.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at September 01, 2005 09:18 AM (1PcL3)
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I think you've hit one of the central messages about G-d that most people, Christian or not, totally miss. Everyone acts as if G-d should be here to fulfill their every wish, make sure nothing bad ever happens, and everything should be all happy go lucky. They miss the point that G-d originally planned for it to be that way, but it was our own decision to chase after sin which led the world into the state it is in.
As to what happened to Job, I usually find comfort in another verse, "it rains on the just and the unjust". Paraphrased, sometimes bad things happen to good people. In the old testament the Jews believed that if something bad happened to you, then you had obviously done something to deserve it. Jesus pointed out to them that sometimes the world is a random place where bad things happen for no apparent reason. Such as hurricanes. And sometimes bad things happen so that G-d can be glorified in the outcome. We never know which it is, but it's our duty to serve Him regardless.
Great post.
Posted by: Charlie Gordon at September 01, 2005 09:42 AM (D3+20)
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Great post, Annika. Faith in a nutshell. Dave, I'd go one step further. Each of us CAN live up to his standards, every day...because He looks at us through the prism of his Son, Jesus Christ.
Posted by: DHammett at September 01, 2005 11:03 AM (J7BEJ)
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Fantastic post, Annika! I'm working hard to link you but I haven't been able to post in several days. I'm in Munu hell.... :-/
Posted by: Pam at September 01, 2005 01:33 PM (V4CbT)
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"It saddens me and i want to ask why, God, why. But i also know that i can never really answer that question."
Perhaps you can know the answer. The answer is (I believe) that the entire earth and everything in it was designed so that humanity can experience all that there is.
Notice that there is hot and cold. Love and hate. Peace and war. Friends and enemies. Hard and soft. Up and down. Left and right. Work and play.
And safety and danger. Stability and chaos.
This is New Orleans's time of chaos, and our countries time to choose whether to be generous or not. Whether to help and pray for N.O. or not.
None of us were forced to take a human form, to take our parents and families and live where we live. Indeed, a God of love would hardly want or need to thrust us onto a planet to deal with challenges. We choose to do so. Why? Same reason grown men choose to play challenging sports knowing the risks; for the same reason young people go to law school: for the challenge, to know that in the face of a test, you overcame and you conquered.
New Orleans will overcome and it will conquer. It will take years, and the media will never cover it, but it will happen. For now darkness abounds, and things seem bleak. But we know that nothing lasts forever. Not even the worst hurricanes.
Posted by: Mark at September 01, 2005 01:53 PM (Vg0tt)
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My dear Annie, I've been reading you for over two years; this is my favorite post you've ever put up. Little sister, it's brilliant; your last paragraph made me say (under my breath), "yes, yes, yes."
Posted by: Hugo at September 01, 2005 09:16 PM (Yu24L)
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I would echo the other posts that it was like a great Sunday School lesson with bad language. I similarly know there is a God, he loves us, we are here in this life for the purpose to become more like him. One of the purposes of this life is to experience trials and make correct choices. Job isn't a place to go (in my opinion) for comfort. Some of my favorites are the Psalms. Thanks for the essay.
Posted by: Drake Steel at September 01, 2005 10:42 PM (M2tSh)
While local agencies along the Gulf Coast anticipate that they will be provide some type of emergency assistance in their communities, Catholic Charities' niche in disaster relief is to provide long-term recovery work. In fact, Catholic Charities agencies in Florida are still providing services to help people recover from last year's devastating hurricanes.
Based on past disasters, possible long-term services that Catholic Charities may provide include temporary and permanent housing, direct assistance beyond food and water to get people back into their homes, job placement counseling, and medical and prescription drug assistance.
i trust Catholic Charities more than the Red Cross or United Way, whom i believe skim off the top worse than a mob run casino.
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I have to admit I'm torn here. My company might begin matching offers on donations, but only through the United Way. Ugh.
They can't possibly skim 50% off the top, can they?
Posted by: Trevor at August 31, 2005 09:50 AM (RwZxT)
Not So Trivial Question
Here's a quote from Steve Jobs' speech at this year's Stanford commencement ceremony.
[Y]ou can't connect the dots looking forward; you can only connect them looking backwards. So you have to trust that the dots will somehow connect in your future. You have to trust in something - your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever. This approach has never let me down, and it has made all the difference in my life.
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"your gut, destiny, life, karma, whatever"
Jobs didn't want to mention God apparently.
But maybe he knew what he was doing. Jobs was speaking in California at Stanford, so I can picture the Simpson's like buzz and confusion in the crowd had he mentioned the "G" word.
Posted by: Pamela at July 05, 2005 04:58 PM (Hjw0C)
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"Jobs didn't want to mention God apparently."
I'm seconding that observation.
Posted by: reagan80 at July 05, 2005 05:23 PM (hlMFQ)
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Pamela:
From what I know, he is one of the world's worst guys to live with. So most of his life he has had no love even though he has had dozens of girlfriends. I was surprised while reading his speech to learn he was married. I don't expect it to last long.
So I think the lack of love has hurt him. The characteristics that make him unlovable are the same characteristics that make him a terrible people person and very difficult to work for.
Posted by: Jake at July 05, 2005 05:37 PM (r/5D/)
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Assuming he left out God because he didn't want to offend anyone, i have to wonder why it is that other commencement speakers don't think twice about offending conservative members of their audience.
The rest of Jobs' speech is pretty good, actually.
Posted by: annika at July 05, 2005 06:33 PM (8p/6I)
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Hmm..... Doesn't will power conviction and more to the point....A PLAN have anything to do with the outcome of your life? Who is this jackass anyways?
Posted by: Jeff at July 05, 2005 06:47 PM (Zq5kW)
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Consider his biography. He went to Reed College (my alma mater) for a short time, then went to India or somewheres and hung out, then became a millionaire.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at July 05, 2005 07:04 PM (Qrfcx)
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He's younger than I am, and has more money. I wouldn't trade lives. I'm not sure he knows how to be happy.
However, I will give him credit for delivering a commencement speech, not a political harangue to a captive audience. That, unfortunately, seems to be the trend in these parts. My alma mater will never see another dime from me.
Posted by: MarkD at July 06, 2005 04:30 AM (oQofX)
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Caaaaandy. Steve always forgets to mention caaaaaandy.
Signed,
Candy the Sheep
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 06, 2005 06:10 PM (TDwc6)
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You know, once you become famous, you can't have your cake and eat it too.
If he didn't mention God, he gets scrutinized by those of us who believe in her. If he mentions God, then those who do not go into an uproar.
It's a situation that is unwinnable. Despite the fact that he didn't want to offend, he offended all those who were looking for the little magic word.
When you become a public figure, are you supposed to share your heart with the world? The fact that he edited his comments does not mean that he doesn't believe in God. He obviously did not have to make any personal disclosures. Tell me, what are you after? Blood?
Crucify him! Crucify him! They yelled.
We have ALL sinned and come short of the Glory of God!
e_buzz
Posted by: Buzz Miller at August 19, 2005 03:39 PM (tWIXK)
Et Tu Ignoramus
Apparently, journalism schools are now teaching their students that when they don't know something, just make shit up.
Listening to KCRA Channel 3's morning newscast in Sacramento, i was appalled to hear the news bimbo say that the Pope was given his "ring and woman's shawl" at this morning's installment ceremony.
It's called a stole, you idiot! Not common knowledge certainly, but a few seconds of research would have helped you avoid sounding like a complete ass.
"Woman's shawl?" Why not just say "shawl" if you didn't know what it was? If you're gonna make shit up, why not just say they gave him a ceremonial cigar too? Or that they passed around the ceremonial beer at mass?
i tell ya. It's near impossible to watch the news anymore.
Update: Okay, maybe i mis-heard it. She might have said "woolen" shawl. But still. How about a little enunciation?
Update 2: A little more than a few seconds of research revealed that i was wrong too. The stole is more properly called a Pallium, and Benedict spoke about its significance in this morning's homily.
The first symbol is the Pallium, woven in pure wool, which will be placed on my shoulders. This ancient sign, which the Bishops of Rome have worn since the fourth century, may be considered an image of the yoke of Christ, which the Bishop of this City, the Servant of the Servants of God, takes upon his shoulders. Gods yoke is Gods will, which we accept. And this will does not weigh down on us, oppressing us and taking away our freedom. To know what God wants, to know where the path of life is found this was Israel's joy, this was her great privilege. It is also our joy: Gods will does not alienate us, it purifies us even if this can be painful and so it leads us to ourselves. In this way, we serve not only him, but the salvation of the whole world, of all history.
The symbolism of the Pallium is even more concrete: the lambs wool is meant to represent the lost, sick or weak sheep which the shepherd places on his shoulders and carries to the waters of life. For the Fathers of the Church, the parable of the lost sheep, which the shepherd seeks in the desert, was an image of the mystery of Christ and the Church. The human race every one of us is the sheep lost in the desert which no longer knows the way. The Son of God will not let this happen; he cannot abandon humanity in so wretched a condition. He leaps to his feet and abandons the glory of heaven, in order to go in search of the sheep and pursue it, all the way to the Cross. He takes it upon his shoulders and carries our humanity; he carries us all he is the good shepherd who lays down his life for the sheep. What the Pallium indicates first and foremost is that we are all carried by Christ. But at the same time it invites us to carry one another. Hence the Pallium becomes a symbol of the shepherds mission, of which the Second Reading and the Gospel speak.
. . .
One of the basic characteristics of a shepherd must be to love the people entrusted to him, even as he loves Christ whom he serves. 'Feed my sheep,' says Christ to Peter, and now, at this moment, he says it to me as well. Feeding means loving, and loving also means being ready to suffer. Loving means giving the sheep what is truly good, the nourishment of Gods truth, of Gods word, the nourishment of his presence, which he gives us in the Blessed Sacrament. My dear friends at this moment I can only say: pray for me, that I may learn to love the Lord more and more. Pray for me, that I may learn to love his flock more and more in other words, you, the holy Church, each one of you and all of you together. Pray for me, that I may not flee for fear of the wolves. Let us pray for one another, that the Lord will carry us and that we will learn to carry one another.
i was pleased to read the following passage from Benedict's homily, which was pertinent to a post i wrote Friday regarding inter-faith relations:
I greet with great joy and gratitude all of you gathered here. . . . With great affection I also greet all those who have been reborn in the sacrament of Baptism but are not yet in full communion with us; and you, my brothers and sisters of the Jewish people, to whom we are joined by a great shared spiritual heritage, one rooted in God's irrevocable promises. Finally, like a wave gathering force, my thoughts go out to all men and women of today, to believers and nonbelievers alike.
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Sheesh, who's a curmudgeon? I prefer misanthrope. Ten more years and you'll be there. It comes with living among the ignoranimi.
Posted by: Casca at April 24, 2005 10:03 AM (cdv3B)
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Interesting trivia on this: In the Latin rite, it's traditional to wear the front portion of the pallium straight down the center of the body. Benedict wore his draped so that it hung from his left shoulder, which apparently is how Eastern Rite archbishops wear theirs. (HT: Fr. Tucker.) I'm told that he also gave a Byzantine blessing at the end of Mass. It looks like he's making a real effort to acknowledge the Eastern Rite Catholic churches.
Posted by: Matt at April 24, 2005 04:50 PM (kHims)
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thanks for the heads up on the pallium mis-alignment.
interesting.
i enjoyed the ceremony tremendously.......
after i turned the sound OFF.
i could not take another moment of the yammering chowderheads that the networks had on air.
Posted by: louielouie at April 25, 2005 03:34 PM (i7mWl)
So Much For The Anti-Ecumenical Criticism
In one of his first official acts as pontiff, Pope Benedict XVI will meet with the Archbishop of Canterbury. What surprised me is that such an invitation has never before happened, according to the Times of London.
The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, will meet Pope Benedict XVI for the first time on Monday.
Anglican insiders said it was "highly significant" that the Pope should choose to meet the honorary head of the Anglican communion in the very first hours of his official pontificate.
The papal audience in the Vatican follows his attendance at tomorrowÂ’s inaugural mass at St PeterÂ’s, when Dr Williams will become the first serving Archbishop of Canterbury to attend a papal inauguration since the Reformation. On Sunday evening Dr Williams will preach at the Anglican church of All Saints in Rome.
After a chilly period for Anglicanism under the last Pope because of the ordination of women priests, Benedict XVI appears eager to usher in a new era of closeness between the two communions.
[emphasis added]
That's a good thing.
More myths busted: The anti-semitic slur against the new pope is bogus:
Rabbi Di Segni quoted a letter from the pope, who said he had "trust in the help of the Almighty", in which he pledged to continue and intensify contacts with Jews begun by his predecessor, Pope John Paul II.
'I trust in the help of the Almighty to continue and strengthen the dialogue and collaboration with the sons and daughters of the Jewish people,' the pope said in the message, dated yesterday.
Jewish leaders in Israel and beyond have saluted the election of Benedict, saying he was a friend of the Jewish people and calling on him to continue the fight against anti-Semitism.
Muslims are supportive, too.
The new pope's conservative outlook, which has caused controversy in the Western world, appears not to overly concern religious leaders in the Middle East.
Jordan's King Abdullah II, a direct descendant of Islam's prophet, Mohammed, voiced his trust in the new pope's 'wisdom and courage to go forward and continue his predecessor's mission with strength and faith to bring about world peace and reinforce respect between religions.'
The Italian daily La Repubblica, meanwhile, reported that the documents Benedict had been working on before being elected pope included one allowing divorced couples who remarry to receive Communion.
Which goes to show you, the unfair criticism of Benedict XVI, by leftists who had never heard of him before this week, is driven by the same thing that drives most leftist thought on any subject: an irrational fear and hatred of Christianity.
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considering the head of the church did not attend the funeral mass of his predecessor. the meeting IS being held in rome. things could still go south.
Posted by: louielouie at April 22, 2005 12:48 PM (i7mWl)
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Annika,
You know I've got big reservations about this particular pope. Whether his papacy will truly continue in the spirit of reconciliation* fostered by JP2 is unclear to me. The priests and grad students I knew at Catholic University never spoke well of Ratzinger; one joke was that, whenever a reprimand was issued by the the CDF, it was termed "getting a rat zinger."
I'm glad to see the optimism that you and Mike (of Naked Villainy) have for this papacy; I won't be upset if it turns out you guys are right, but Pope Benedict is going to have to fight an uphill PR battle quite unlike the one that sometimes dogged JP2. My main concern is that Benedict might view his new role simply as an expanded version of what he, as Cardinal Ratzinger, was doing as head of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. If he does go that route, treating your Church as the CDF writ large, I can't expect good results.
As I argued on my blog, religious conflicts tend to occur where one or both parties in a religious dispute present clearly defined doctrinal (or cultural, theological, ecclesiological, etc.) boundaries. The danger of a Ratzinger/Benedict papacy is that he'll want to keep the faithful "in their place" and make the spiritual boundaries of Catholicism as clear as possible. Whether this is healthy, in the current global religious climate, I don't know.
Anyway, hope is one of the cardinal Christian virtues, so I'll do a lot of hoping. Unfortunately, I can't shake the feeling that Benedict's election is a mistake.
"Just my two scents," as the skunk said.
Pax,
Kevin
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*I can hear people objecting to this noun, arguing that JP2 did a lot to divide Catholics from Catholics and Catholics from non-Catholics. Perhaps, but to reduce his life to those actions would be to miss the larger context of his entire papacy.
Posted by: Kevin Kim at April 23, 2005 01:22 AM (1PcL3)
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As a law student, one thing i've learned is that clear boundaries are good. In essence, that is what law is all about. It is the essential aim of all law. Marking the lines of human behavior so that people can predict the consequences of any course of action and plan accordingly. In the real world, it doesn't always work out that way, and even less so nowadays. But if that ideal of predictable consequences is breaking down here in the west, it's because we've allowed too much gray area to creep into our legal system.
i say this because i believe what works for the civil law should also work for God's law. The Catholic tradition has always been that the Church maintains clear doctrine from the top down. Yes, i know that was a major disagreement that led to the Protestant Reformation. But that's the way we do things on this side, and i hope we continue.
There are so many people outside the Church (and i consider fallen away Catholics like Andrew Sullivan, Chris Matthews and Rosie O'Donnel in this category) who have their own vision about where the Church should be going. A pope who could please all of them is impossible, because the Church would splinter apart if these people had their way,* and what would be left would not be Catholic at all. It would be a bunch of little new denominations. Maybe that's what the liberal critics want.
(Well Kevin, proofreading the above, i see i've gone off about doctrine, while the thrust of your comment was interfaith relations. On that score, i'm also hopeful that Benedict will continue John Paul's good work.)
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*Look at what's happening to the Anglican Church, based on one issue.
Posted by: annie at April 23, 2005 07:27 AM (YPCN4)
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Annika, as it turns out, I don't have to listen to anything you say because my battle monster beat your battle monster three times.
Seriously, though: your point is well taken re: clarity. But clarity, like lack of clarity, is a two-edged sword. Islamofascists are quite clear in their vision of right and wrong, of Dar-al-Islam versus Dar-al-Harb. Abortion clinic bombers also demonstrate a certain perverse clarity. Many American fundamentalist Christians are pretty sure the Bible is the literal Word of God-- a Word leaving no room for interpretation because everything's so clear.
Clarity solves some problems and creates others, as Keith Burgess-Jackson implies whenever he uses the example of determining a legal drinking age. When you draw that bright line, it sometimes hurts the wrong people (as when the drinking age prevents mature teens from drinking, while allowing certain immature adults to drink-- KBJ's example).
I don't think Pope Benedict is going to be a raving lunatic. He won't deliver any homilies that sound anything like those being delivered by certain Muslim clerics. I'm dismissive of the "Nazi past" crap being put out by the press. All of that is just a bunch of desperate flailing by sensationalist journalists.
But Ratzinger's controversial history as CDF prefect is reason enough for caution-- no need for journalists to spin or exaggerate.
Your blog post makes a good point when you quote Jordan's king: a clear, firm stance gets respect. That's true. Then again, the previous Pope was very much against the Iraq war and got slammed by American conservatives for "getting in the way" or "being on the wrong side." Ratzinger, too, has been an opponent of Bush's project. What will political conservatives say about him?
I'll watch with interest as the cosmos unfolds.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at April 23, 2005 09:18 AM (1PcL3)
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Conservatives simply dismiss any criticism of capitalism or war as naive and expected from Church. However, when it comes to sex lives ignoring the Church presents a 'values' problem.
Both sides of the aisle quote selectively from the Catholic Church but only the Republicans push to have the US government endorse Christian theology.
Posted by: Preston at April 23, 2005 01:38 PM (pm/Ll)
i'm ecstatic about the selection of Cardinal Ratzinger, which is strange since i'm quite liberal on many Catholic issues. It's not just because we share a Bavarian ancestry. i really believe that the Church needs an orthodox leader after the touchy-feely pontificate of John Paul II.
The list of changes i would favor in my Church is long. But my faith remains strong. i'm not going to leave the Church because women can't be ordained, for example. It is good that the Pope is more conservative than i am. That's something the reformers seem to forget. When religion doesn't set moral standards, it ceases to be a religion, and becomes a social club.
Also, the media critics don't want to admit that most of the Catholic world is very happy at the selection of a conservative cardinal. It's just here in the godless west that you hear the whining. i am hopeful and happy about Pope Benedict XVI because he has already signalled that he will not lead the Church into error by chasing after fallen Catholics. It is up to the faithful to remain in faith, not the other way around.
Lastly, i'm sick and tired of hearing the talking heads question whether Cardinal Ratzinger will be too divisive, when (they arrogantly surmise) the Church needs a uniter. i'm reminded of the following words of scripture:
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law, a man's enemies will be the members of his own household. [Matthew 10:34-36]
Two thousand years of Catholic tradition and teaching should never be thrown out lightly, and certainly not on the basis of any CNN poll or Andrew Sullivan column.
Posted by: jake at April 19, 2005 09:30 PM (58xmk)
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"We share a Bavarian ancestry." Ah, so you're one of THOSE Danes.
Ratz is definitely the man to bitchslap the old kennedy-catholics of the senate. Sorry boys, can't vote for abortion and take communion, hehehehe. I can't wait for the excommunication of these assholes.
Posted by: Casca at April 19, 2005 10:04 PM (cdv3B)
Posted by: Casca at April 19, 2005 10:05 PM (cdv3B)
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I don't know that I'd characterize JPII as touchy-feely (although perhaps that was his public image) but he certainly had little interest in the mundane administration of the Church. That's where I have hopes for Benedict XVI.
Posted by: Dave Schuler at April 20, 2005 06:59 AM (oziG1)
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As a fellow Catholic, I must admit that I was skeptical of Ratzinger when I first heard he was from Germany, but that was due to my ignorance of the man's background. Fortunately, the squawking Leftists like Chris Matthews have alleviated my concerns with their renewed Pope-bashing. Rush Limbaugh also mentioned how German poll results show that most of them don't like their new Pope since he's not liberal enough for them. That is good news for everyone that takes the Church seriously.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 20, 2005 07:10 AM (hlMFQ)
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And let's remember, that just like Supreme Court justices, popes have a way of confounding expectations... no one could have predicted John XXIII would turn out as liberal as he did.
Posted by: Hugo at April 20, 2005 10:07 AM (qldcl)
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I like him, especially the homily he gave before they entered the conclave. I TiVo'd it.
Posted by: Scof at April 20, 2005 12:37 PM (ur/xf)
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"Pappa Ratzi"
Gotta love the guy. The Jesuits are shivering and Kerry is ready to convert vback to Judaism.
Ain't it cool?
Posted by: shelly at April 20, 2005 04:38 PM (pO1tP)
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My sister who lives in Hamburg with her german husband, said that an overwhelming number of germans don't accept Ratzinger's dogma! I remember her saying about two weeks ago that germans feared he would become the pontiff. I seriously was expecting a more progressive pope to be elected. Perhaps there is a good chance next time considering how Ratzinger is of an elder age.
Posted by: Daniel at April 20, 2005 07:02 PM (Df1zp)
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Couldn't be happier.
"Senator Kennedy, I have good news and bad news. The good news is that we have a pope. The bad news is that he's a Catholic."
Posted by: Matt at April 20, 2005 09:07 PM (kHims)
11"Two thousand years of Catholic tradition and teaching should never be thrown out lightly, and certainly not on the basis of any CNN poll or Andrew Sullivan column."
Amen!
And as a non-Catholic, I can still appreciate what it means to have a new Pope who will stick to the guns of traditional doctrine.
Posted by: Desert Cat at April 20, 2005 09:14 PM (xdX36)
Agnus DeiAgnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi,
Miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi,
Miserere nobis.
Agnus Dei, qui tollis peccata mundi,
Dona nobis pacem.
[traditional, Agnus Dei]
From the sixth hour until the ninth hour darkness came over all the land. About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?” -–which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”
When some of those standing there heard this, they said, “He's calling Elijah.”
Immediately one of them ran and got a sponge. He filled it with wine vinegar, put it on a stick, and offered it to Jesus to drink. The rest said, “Now leave him alone. Let's see if Elijah comes to save him.”
And when Jesus had cried out again in a loud voice, he gave up his spirit.
At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split. The tombs broke open and the bodies of many holy people who had died were raised to life. They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus' resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to many people.
When the centurion and those with him who were guarding Jesus saw the earthquake and all that had happened, they were terrified, and exclaimed, “Surely he was the Son of God!”
Many women were there, watching from a distance. They had followed Jesus from Galilee to care for his needs. Among them were Mary Magdalene, Mary the mother of James and Joses, and the mother of Zebedee's sons.
[Matthew 27:45-56]
Ich binÂ’s, ich sollte büßen,
An Händen und an Füßen
Gebunden in der Höll'!
Die Geißeln und die Banden
Und was du ausgestanden,
Das hat verdienet meine Seel'.
[Christian Friedrich Henrici (Picander), St. Matthew Passion (libretto)]
Fac, ut ardeat cor meum
in amando Christum Deum
ut sibi complaceam.
Sancta Mater, istud agas,
crucifixi fige plagas
cordi meo valide.
Tui Nati vulnerati,
tam dignati pro me pati,
poenas mecum divide.
A 2-year-old boy who was found dazed and alone on a roadside in the wasteland of a tsunami-devastated Thai resort was reunited Tuesday with his uncle, who spotted the child's picture on the Internet.
The boy, identified by his uncle as Hannes Bergstroem, was found Sunday night on a road in Phang Nga province near the beach resort of Khao Lak, about 60 miles from the island of Phuket. He was taken to Phuket International Hospital where the staff posted pictures of the blond-haired boy with red spots all over his face from mosquito bites on its Web site on Monday. They also published his photo in a local newspaper.
. . .
A man, who identified himself only as Jim, told the Associated Press on Tuesday in a telephone interview that he found his nephew after he saw his picture on the Web.
'When I saw Hannes on the Internet, I booked an air ticket to come here in less than five hours,' said Jim, who rushed to the Phuket hospital on Tuesday from Chonburi province in Thailand, hours away from Phuket, where he was staying. 'This is a miracle, the biggest thing that could happen.'
Hospital staff said the boy had been babbling but workers did not know what language he was speaking They thought he might be Swedish because he was enthusiastic when a man spoke Swedish to him.
Little Hannes was reunited with his father today. That's them in the heartbreaking picture above.
On Wednesday, a Swedish toddler, Hannes Bergstroem, was reunited with his injured father at a Thai hospital, days after being found wandering alone in the wreckage. The 2-year-old's uncle had spotted the child's photo posted on the Web by another hospital and claimed him Tuesday, setting up the reunion with Hannes' father, Marko Karkkainen.
But Hannes' mother, Suzanne Bergstroem, was still among some 5,000 people missing in Thailand.
Happy Hanukkah!
A very Happy Hanukkah to all my Jewish visitors. Here is the text of President Bush's 2004 Hanukkah Proclamation:
I send greetings to all those celebrating Hanukkah, the festival of lights.
On the 25th day of Kislev on the Hebrew calendar, Jews around the world commemorate the rededication of the Temple in Jerusalem more than 2,000 years ago. During this time of darkness, the Temple had been seized, and Judaism had been outlawed. Judah Maccabee and his followers fought for three years for their freedom and successfully recaptured Jerusalem and the Temple. Jewish tradition teaches that the Maccabees found only one small bottle of oil to be used for temple rituals, but that oil lasted eight days and nights. The miracle of this enduring light, remembered through the lighting of the Menorah, continues to symbolize the triumph of faith over tyranny.
The bravery of the Maccabees has provided inspiration through the ages. We must remain steadfast and courageous as we seek to spread peace and freedom throughout the world. This holiday season, we give thanks to God, and we remember the brave men and women of our Armed Forces and their families. We also pray that all who live under oppression will see their day of freedom and that the light of faith will always shine through the darkness.
Laura joins me in wishing you a blessed and Happy Hanukkah.
GEORGE W. BUSH
Hat tip to commenter Shelly.
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Gone Postal
Can you spot the irony in this holiday stamp webpage from the United States Postal Service's site?
i'll tell you. The word Christmas appears nowhere on either of the two pages from which you can order holiday stamps. Even though four of the eight selections on the first page are clearly and specifically Christmas stamps.
i can understand the view that the US government should not appear to endorse any particular religion by actually uttering the word "Christmas." i don't agree with that line of thinking, but i see how the argument can be made.
The problem with the USPS site is that their omission of the word Christmas, to describe stamps with Santa Claus, reindeer and even an image of the baby Jesus, cannot be based on any desire to adhere to the First Amendment.
Note that there are also stamps clearly identified with the names of two other religious celebrations: Hanukkah and Eid. (From what i understand, Kwanzaa and the Lunar New Year are cultural, not religious celebrations.)
As far as i'm concerned, the only way this PC bullshit can be interpreted is that the USPS thinks some people might be offended by looking at the word Christmas while shopping for stamps.* Either that, or the Postal Service marketing department has been taken over by anti-Christian wackos. (Not anti-religious wackos, mind you, just anti-Christian.)
i don't think anyone, even the most rabid anti-religious zealot, could possibly be offended by merely looking at the word Christmas. Those kind of people just do not exist. Oh i'm certain that there are some people who claim offense in order to advance a political agenda. But anyone who would be truly offended by the word Christmas simply could not function in society.
i think it's great that the USPS is commemorating Hanukkah and Eid-ul-Fitr with stamps. But how is calling a Christmas stamp a Christmas stamp somehow improper?
Maybe they should change their acronym to the USPCS.
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* By the way, the function of the First Amendment's Establishment Clause is not, and has never been, to prevent people from being offended.
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Yep, the whitewashing of Christian influence in society is going on unabated. They did the same type of thing with the quotes on the national World War 2 memorial.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 16, 2004 10:36 AM (DC9qN)
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Oh Please,
You poor maligned christians. Turning white and translucent so no one can see you anymore.
The site says HOLIDAY. It is selling stamps of different holidays. Is it an example of egrigious PCness to not mention them by name? Jesus, did anybody really feel left out by that? Other than our hostess) Would anybody have felt more welcome if the proper names were in the banner? I thought the site was kind of dull and neutral. Here are a few ulgy stamps, why don't you buy some, or not. Just don't go to our competitor!
So, Raygun, you think this is an example of the "whitewashing" of christianity's influence in our society. This has you worried? Loosing influence? "Same kind of thing on the ww2 memorial"? Must be a conspiracy, eh? What influence are you talking about?
Posted by: mike at November 16, 2004 11:04 AM (0ZdtC)
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Here's an example of intellectual dishonesty for your edification. Instead of acknowledging my point, then stating his disagreement with it(i.e. "Yes, the word 'Christian' has been omitted, but here's why I think that's a good idea."), the troll ignores the underlying point, then launches into condescension and argumentum ad hominem.
This particular troll has shown me some glimpses of reasonableness in the past, and just when i think there's hope for him, he always reverts back to following the "just another troll" playbook.
Posted by: annika at November 16, 2004 11:39 AM (zAOEU)
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Whoa, that is insane.
I mean, I could understand if they witheld 'Christmas' if they didn't have any stamps that had 'Hannukah' etc etc on their stamps, but since they do, I am just as confused about the omission of 'Christmas.'
If it's a matter of "offending" people just by using the word 'Christmas', then the USPS also needs to consider that as of right now the radio, the TV, every retail store, and every shopping center is bombarding us consumers with anything and everything 'holiday' -- including Christmas.
Posted by: Amy at November 16, 2004 11:55 AM (RpVKX)
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Oh Annika,
You are sooo sensitive. Sorry. I did make an opening statement that was uncalled for by your statement but was I thought called for by Mr. Raygun. (Ray, I have called you this many times before, but now that I am feeling so PC and pliable, if you wish me to stop just let me know.)
I did say that I thought the USPS site was neutral(a good thing) That I disagreed with your painting it an act of PC bullshit ( a little over the top, no?) I thought I stated that I though no one would or should feel left out due to the missing word(s) and mostly my condescenion was for Raygun, who started bemoaning the whitwashing of christendom's influence in a country that is clearly swinging in the direction of more religious influence not less. It is a constant battle for the ACLU to thwart the christian influence. "God bless America" in the seventh ining, is this a sign of waning influence? The Supreme's turning back the case to remove "under god" in the pledge on a technicality they could have overlooked.
I think a completely neutral government with regard to religion is a blessing. I also do not feel threatend by the wise and beautiful words spoken by people of religious faith. I am adament, however, about the government staying out of the business of religion.
BTW, Annie, could you tell me where to get the "Just another troll" playbook? Sounds like a load of laughs.
Posted by: mike at November 16, 2004 12:17 PM (0ZdtC)
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Haha, Mike. i was just trying to get your goat, dude. Cuz you haven't commented in a while.
Posted by: annika at November 16, 2004 01:15 PM (zAOEU)
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The word "Christmas" does not appear on this year's stamps. That is a factor of stamp design and "flavor of the month-ness" at the USPS. Some years the stamps say "Christmas", some years they say "Yule". Some years, as this, they are silent on the name of the particular holiday, but just say "holiday". Sometimes stamps only say "US" and the amount of postage it represents.
The Islamic stamp, for example, says "Eid", not a specific eid. "Eid" means "holiday", or more appropriately, "holy-day". Holidays are holy-days.
I don't think this is a big a deal as it's being made to be.
Posted by: John at November 16, 2004 02:00 PM (OmbAg)
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"The site says HOLIDAY. It is selling stamps of different holidays. Is it an example of egrigious PCness to not mention them by name?"
But it does mention SOME of them by name, Mike. The word Christmas is actually made more conspicuous by its absence than if it had been used alongside Hannukah and Eid, which I think was the whole point of the post. What exactly is your First Amendment argument for the USPS using the names of other religious holidays but specifically excluding Christmas? One would think a genuinely neutral position would have to be either mentioning them all by name, or referring to them all by the blandly ecumenical "holidays."
And before you start castigating me as a self-important Christian with a martyr complex, I'm Jewish. But I would be genuinely interested to know how exactly you think singling out one religion for disfavor like this is somehow defensibly neutral.
Posted by: Dave J at November 16, 2004 02:03 PM (GEMsk)
Posted by: Casca at November 16, 2004 04:26 PM (cdv3B)
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I must say that I never saw more Bullshit than me, when I read your place of installation. They are not cash which were they hung like you in Nuremberg? Shouldn't it your kind of the people lessons WWII have learned? I cannot believe that there are the people nor thinks that that some nations and cultures are better, when others.
it is not your type of people which should have learned that the war is < b>NEVER each possible solution?
which you on UNO are despicable said. UNO is the only platform, the voice with everyone gives, however your multinational groupings of companies liked. The first thing made Hitler, after it had come, was exhorter, in Germany of the league of the nations to begin again. But you did obviously not learn the lesson that?
rejected Kyoto UNO, ICC, drew up UNO on Iraq, reject to accept the metric system and not the international law will subject. The UNO is the larger thugh on planet. The UNO precisely implemented the greatest flight armed in the history and controls 24 million innocent Iraqis nicht-weissem people.
has you with a trypically loves fachists that rifles. Million Americans have rifles and thousands each year are killed. Only the use of industry of rifle. What you said, the increase in total rifle being opposed is so stupid that I am it of my chair reading.
< b>FREEDOM fell completely. Freedom by the Colt, Smith and by Wesson, the clay of Ing of rem, by Glock and the other trading of Todeskorporationen which Bumsen it does not give, how much the people are killed thus by their long products, as of the people will leave, to buy them.
like you, all these Todeskorporationen give the republicans with difficulty. were you with a downtown area? to declare to you with a mother her son in a fight on your invaluable second what one invites to modify rights.
they dissed also my personnel Hero Robert Fisk to germinate. Fisk is the most objective journalist whom I actually read. It is that only that which speaks the truth on the Israeli rassistischen and UNO fachist and illegal state regime.
briefly known as, satisfies you a Rabble rednecks like makes confidence, undertaken the linen of brain of FoxNews, attacks, Hannity, the KKK, RadioNewsmax conversation and rifle companies.
Posted by: Robert Mac-lelland at November 16, 2004 04:35 PM (sx0Tj)
Posted by: d-rod at November 16, 2004 06:53 PM (Zwo6K)
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THATS IT! France and Germany hate us because the Evil Bush master refuses to change the measurement system of 300 million people in the US to the Metric system. How could I have been so Blind! LOL! Next thing you know, Bush will be hated because he refuses to change US currency to the Euro!
Posted by: lawguy at November 16, 2004 07:29 PM (TfkyM)
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Oh and by the way, that League of Nations sure did a bang up job of protecting Europe from another World war!
Posted by: lawguy at November 16, 2004 07:32 PM (TfkyM)
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Well,
I like the feel of that wind in my face. Thanks for the breeze of rationality amidst the knee jerkers, Robert M-I. It will, however, all be lost on the stone hearted, gun protecting, RW ers around here. They are certain guns are an important part of their being. Certain America is a place that EVERYONE envies and is living, or in the case of the Iraqi's, dying, to emulate. Certain that the press is LW biased, certain that Bush didn't lie about anything and more importantly, if he did, so what! M-Fing Iraqi's want to kill us and whatever it takes to kill them first is a perfect plan. And Iraqi's need to vote! They have spent countless years pining to vote. Now their destiny is just beyond the voting booth, down the road in their bombed out houses, with no running water, no electricity and no hope for the reconstruction of their lives. Oh, but the brutality has stopped! They are free to wander the streets and hold placards of dissent with out fear of their hands getting chopped off. What a lucky bunch. Soon they can wear tee shirts with political speech printed on them and get jailed for appearing at presidential rallies just as if they were in America. Ah, the pleasures of freedom! Smells like napalm in the morning.
Posted by: mike at November 16, 2004 07:37 PM (0ZdtC)
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There is, in fact, one Eid stamp. It was issued in 2001. Ironically, the initial date for relase was to have been 9/11. The stamp is still in circulation in some places, but is mostly not available in post offices anymore. Oh, and that stamp took about 12 years to produce from the initial approval of the concept.
Posted by: John at November 16, 2004 08:15 PM (OmbAg)
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"Weren't barbarians like you hanged at Nuremberg?"
Just drink the kool-aid, Robert. Everything will be all better soon.
In the minds of the Left, only Clinton and Chirac can do no wrong with projected military power, but if a Republican uses force........
I'm sure Robert and Mike want us to do something to stop the genocide in the Sudan, but that would make them hypocrites if they did. Why, you might ask?
If we sent our troops to Darfur, the trolls would bitch about us stealing Sudanese oil. They would say that our peacekeeping forces are making the lives of the genocide victims' worse off. If they say that type of shit about our troops in Iraq, then they're gonna have to say it about our troops in Kosovo and Bosnia as well, but I doubt it since they were Clinton ops.
Oh yeah, we went to the UN to enact sanctions on the Sudanese government to stop the genocide, but guess who torpedoed that Security Council resolution? Oui, oui, the cheese-eating surrender monkeys wanted to preserve their business relations to the regime and keep their stakes in the Sudan's oil reserves instead of trying to help out the refugees and victims.
"It's all about FREEDOM. Freedom from Colt, Smith & Wesson, Remington, Glock and other merchant of death corporations who don't give a fuck how many people are killed by their products as long as people are left to buy them."
Oh boy, I can't wait to get me one of these........
http://www.bushmaster.com/shopping/weapons/bcwa2s20.asp
I'm sure if you had it your way, cigarettes would be banned, fast-food would be banned, etc. since they are products that kill. Yep, that's freedom. I almost got myself killed on a dirtbike when I ran into a barb-wire fence, but you don't hear me calling for the banning of barb-wire or dirtbikes because I know that it is my foolish misuse of the bike that put me in the emergency room.
Guns don't kill people. People that steal guns from law-abiding owners' homes and then use them in other crimes do. I'll bet that you blame guns for the suicide rate too........
Posted by: reagan80 at November 16, 2004 11:15 PM (hlMFQ)
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Sorry, Robert is the worst kind of troll, a spammer troll who doesn't actually read the blogs he comments on. (i have never posted about Fisk.) i have had to ban him countless times for his disgusting, often racist bullshit rants. He slipped under the radar tonight, yet again.
i've translated his comment above for clarity.
Posted by: annika! at November 17, 2004 12:35 AM (gSLhn)
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OMG, that is HIL-ARIOUS! I like Robert remixed better than the original. Thanks, Annika, you're the best!
"The UNO is the larger thugh on planet."
Wow, I didn't know my college was that infamous. Stephen Ambrose would be saddened to hear that. Just kidding........%^)
Posted by: reagan80 at November 17, 2004 06:42 AM (hlMFQ)
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Mr Raygun,
With out getting long winded, the clear difference that you wish to ignore in Kosovo is that it was NOT an occupation, not unilateral andit was a UN action limited in scope.
And Ray, the actual number of deaths from guns used in the commission of a crime is less than 10% of gun deaths. Guns kill loved ones, or once loved ones most of the time. The myth of stolen guns and crime is just NRA bullshit.
Posted by: mike at November 17, 2004 09:04 AM (0ZdtC)
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The only thing I can figure is that Christmas is somehow problematic because it includes the word Christ. I don't know. I have been non-Christian my entire life and Christmas is my favorite holiday ever and I could just scream I am so excited for it and there is no way to end this sentence that won't be awkward.
Posted by: other Annika at November 17, 2004 09:24 AM (6GMBu)
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That page included a text box that you could use to search the USPS website. I searched for "Christmas" and got six hits, including the two Madonna stamps. This particular case doesn't sound like ACLU gone mad, and frankly the USPS wouldn't go for it.
The main goal of the USPS is to sell as many stamps as possible (especially to stamp collectors and other people who don't actually use the stamps; that's pure profit for the USPS). If the USPS could, I bet they'd sell stamps of Janet Jackson's Super Bowl moment in an attempt to make money. They're certainly going to do anything they can to sell Christmas stamps.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at November 17, 2004 12:01 PM (c6rOB)
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Did no one follow the link to the USPS page? The Madonna stamps clearly have the word "CHRISTMAS" written at the top. Click on one, you'll see. Maybe you ought not trust everything you see on TV or read on the Internet.
Posted by: an observer at November 19, 2004 12:13 PM (hT3g5)
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Observer, you failed to observe my point. WTF is so hard to understand? Of course the stamps say Christmas on them, they're Christmas stamps! That's the point!
i wanna know why the USPS won't call them Christmas stamps in their advertisement. They call Hanukkah stamps Hanukkah stamps. They call Eid stamps Eid stamps. They call Kwanzaa stamps Kwanzaa stamps. They call Lunar New Year stamps Lunar New Year stamps. They call Happy Birthday stamps Happy Birthday stamps. They call Love stamps Love stamps. Why is a Christmas stamp identified by the generic name "Holiday." It doesn't make any sense, especially since the stamp itself says "Christmas" at the top. Are you all too brainwashed by the PC police to recognize that that's odd?
Posted by: annika at November 19, 2004 05:28 PM (Ta08O)
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I don't know. I guess I was not as offended as you were. Were I Jewish, however, I would be offended if a page of December holiday stamps were titled "Christmas," since I would not celebrate that holiday. Since both Christmas stamps and Hanukkah stamps were on the USPS web page, a more generic name -- "Holiday" -- was appropriately used as the title. The detail page with only the Hanukkah stamp was titled "Hanukkah"; the detail page of the other stamps were similarly given more specific titles, including "Madonna and Child." And no, I don't equate tolerance with brainwashing.
As a further aside, I do agree with you that the word "Christmas" ought not be considered offensive anymore since it seems to be more closely tied to Santa Claus and shopping than Christ or even religion. Then again, it wouldn't take but one of those die-hard religious conservatives who just re-elected Bush to cause a ruckus.
Posted by: an observer at November 21, 2004 06:21 PM (/5cdM)
The DNC's New Attempt To Reach Out To Christians
The Democratic Party is the party of anti-Christian hatred, their false "inclusiveness" rhetoric at the convention notwithstanding.
On July 23, Democratic National Committee (DNC) Chairman Terry McAuliffe announced the appointment of Rev. Brenda Bartella Peterson as the Senior Advisor for Religious Outreach; she is an ordained minister in the Christian Church (Disciples of Christ).
According to Terry McAuliffe, this woman is supposed to reflect "the DNCÂ’s commitment to reaching all people of faith." He said (presumably with a straight face):
Brenda has dedicated her life to showing us all how religion and politics intersect with integrity . . . We are proud to have her join the DNC, in order to spread John Kerry's positive vision to people of all faiths."
Rev. Brenda Bartella Peterson was one of thirty-two clergy members to file an amicus curiae brief in behalf of Michael Newdow’s attempt to excise the words ‘under God’ from the Pledge of Allegiance. The brief shows infinitely more concern for the sensibilities of atheists like Newdow than it does for the 90 percent of Americans who believe in God. And this is the person the Democrats want to dispatch to meet with the heads of religious organizations? Are they out of their minds? Would they hire a gay basher to reach out to homosexuals? [link omitted]
Now, if you are skeptical, here's the amicus brief. Her name's right there, on the cover page "As Amici Curiae Supporting Respondent Michael A. Newdow."
Thanks Dems. There should now be no doubt about where you stand.
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"Would you hire a gay basher to reach out to homosexuals?" I don't think that's a fair analogy, she isn't a "religion basher" she respects the rights of people to pray to a God if they don't wanna. Me too. I always tell people to replace the word God with Allah or Jesus Christ or Buddha (depending on which religion you don't practice) whereever you see it in order to get a feel for what it's like being an athiest. I like that the Dems aren't just willing to reach out to 90 percent, they are going for all 100. Woo.
Posted by: Dawn Summers at August 04, 2004 04:38 PM (sv6oS)
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Now, Annika, you know full well that you're baiting the Christian left. Plenty of Christians in this country are uncomfortable with the "under God" clause -- certainly the Mennonites and the Episcopalian hierarchy.
The Catholic League speaks for very conservative Catholics (they blast Mahony all the time here in LA, and he's hardly a raving liberal). The fact is, Christians can be found across the political spectrum. Evangelicals (especially black ones) are everywhere, including in the Democratic Part. And we will continue to be there. What it means to be a political Christian is open to debate, and we should debate it -- and fortunately, there is room in both parties for committed Christians.
Posted by: Hugo at August 04, 2004 04:57 PM (ntfdi)
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Baiting? who me? i don't even like to fish.
i'm not familiar with the Catholic League, Hugo. My first intro to them was this article. However, if they don't like Mahoney, they can't be all that bad.
Posted by: annika at August 04, 2004 05:32 PM (zAOEU)
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The Rev. Brenda represents a group that is starting to dominate mainline Protestant denominations. They are teaching philosophy of life in their churches as they regard Jesus Christ and the Bible as too judgmental.
Posted by: Jake at August 05, 2004 07:06 AM (h4tU8)