July 31, 2005
France Does What Brits Won't
From the
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Aaron's cc:
The gulf between British and French treatment of preachers of hatred and violence was thrown sharply into focus yesterday when France announced the summary expulsion of a dozen Islamists between now and the end of August.
A tough new anti-terrorism package was unveiled by Nicolas Sarkozy, the interior minister and a popular centre-Right politician.
His proposals reflect French determination to act swiftly against extremists in defiance of the human rights lobby, which is noticeably less vocal in France than in Britain.
Imams and their followers who fuel anti-western feeling among impressionable young French Muslims will be rounded up and returned to their countries of origin, most commonly in France's case to its former north African colonies.
Mr Sarkozy also revealed that as many as 12 French mosques associated with provocative anti-western preaching were under surveillance. Imams indulging in inflammatory rhetoric will be expelled even if their religious status is recognised by mainstream Muslim bodies.
Those who have assumed French citizenship will not be protected from deportation. Mr Sarkozy said he will reactivate measures, 'already available in our penal code but simply not used', to strip undesirables of their adopted nationality. 'We have to act against radical preachers capable of influencing the youngest and most weak-minded,' Mr Sarkozy told the French daily Le Parisien.
The doctrine of pre-emption at work in France? Interesting.
More: Here's another foreign terrorism related story from the BBC:
Russia's defence chief has barred the ministry from contact with ABC TV after the US network's interview with Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev.
Sergei Ivanov said the ministry considered ABC 'persona non grata' following Thursday's broadcast.
The warlord has claimed the 2004 raid on a school in Beslan. In the interview he admitted he was a terrorist, but said the Russians were terrorists too.
Russia's most wanted man also said he was plotting more attacks.
'Today I have given the order to the head of the press service that not one serviceman of the defence ministry should have contact with the American television channel ABC,' Mr Ivanov said in televised comments.
'We will continue to act openly with the press, but this channel will not be invited to the defence ministry and no interviews will ever be given to it,' he said.
'This channel is now persona non grata for the defence ministry and is an outcast.'
Beautiful.
The interview conducted by Russian journalist Andrei Babitsky was recorded at the warlord's hideout in Chechnya.
Russia is offering $10m (£6m) for the capture of the warlord, whom it accuses of several major attacks.
More than 320 people - around half of them children - were killed at the school in Beslan last September.
Actually, i think "journalists" should be encouraged to interview terrorists, but only if they swallow a satellite tracking device first. Then if some bombs happen to fall during the interview, oh well, no big loss.
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My understanding is that French law requires that all sermons in all faiths have to be in French.
I'm usually opposed to the French attitudes about their language, believing that the sooner French joins Latin as a dead language for scholars no longer spoken will improve the planet. However, the notion of requiring sermons be in the local vernacular so an outsider could audit has some merit. I'd have no problem with an outsider listening in on my rabbi's sermons. Any congregation that WOULD have a problem should be treated as suspect.
Anyway, thanks for the shout-out.
Posted by: Aaron's cc: at July 31, 2005 10:26 AM (ov6Vw)
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Lest you doubt the French nature, revisit "The Sorrow & The Pity". There is no reason for the French to feel more affection for the Arab than the Jew. They just need a little catalyst to start dropping heads into baskets, or shipping Jews to the gas chambers, or whatever this age will bring to their emotionally fueled hatreds.
Posted by: Casca at July 31, 2005 10:37 AM (qBTBH)
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Since Napoleon, the French haven't had cojones. Not a Charles Martel left among them.
Pity that the delicious
Sabine Herald doesn't have more of a following.
Posted by: Aaron's cc: at July 31, 2005 11:43 AM (ov6Vw)
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Aaron, to give credit where it is due, The French didn't go downhill untill after world war one. That war killed off all the good sperm and left only the cowards, pimps, and politicians to reproduce.
Posted by: Kyle at July 31, 2005 02:43 PM (H5KE9)
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World War I was a terrible experience for France, with almost an entire generation killed. At St-Cyr, the French military academy, the *entire* class of 1914 was killed.
Although the fight put up by the French Army in 1940 was not equivalent to what they did in 1914-1918, it wasn't as trivial as it's been made out to be, either. French casualties (killed) in that was were on the order of 100,000.
Posted by: David Foster at July 31, 2005 03:40 PM (7TmYw)
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Yes, and those left alive about nine to one were Nazi collaborators. The myth of WWII is that there was a massive French resistance. The French rounded up the French Jews and sent them to the death camps. The Nazis had a willing partner.
Posted by: Casca at July 31, 2005 04:22 PM (qBTBH)
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Indeed: Vichy France was far more cooperative in that respect that Nazi Germany's nominally "equal" ally, Italy. Mussolini was a thug, but he had never been particularly anti-Semitic, and until his senior partner in the Axis started making demands, Italian Jews had originally been allowed to become members of the Fascist Party and rise in its ranks on an (at least theoretically) equal footing.
Posted by: Dave J at July 31, 2005 07:13 PM (8XpMm)
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but only if they swallow a satellite tracking device first
FWIW the so-called journalist who conducted the interview offered to do just that to the russian defense ministry. or so he said in an after interview review.
also, i did not find the interview as unsettling as ted koppel's lecture on the first ammendment, immediately after a letter from the kremlin was read on air.
it would be best if the U.S. followed the russian lead. imo
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July 22, 2005
A Pet Peeve
i have a minor pet peeve. Ever since this War on Terror started, i've heard the same stupid phrase over and over:
"If we _______, the terrorists have won."
When the terrorists win, they will pack up their suicide belts and their scimitars and stop killing people. Until then, they will not have won.
My point is that if we were to "give in to fear," for instance, the terrorists wouldn't consider it a victory because, contrary to what the government and the media want us to believe, they don't give a crap if we're afraid or not. They want us all to either convert, redraw every map to 14th Century borders, or die. So unless you fill in the blank with one of those three things, the statement will invariably be incorrect.
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my pet peeve, since the war on terror began, is the stupid phrase:
"If we do _______, we will be just like the terrorists."
we will never be just like "them".
who are "them"?
yes.
i'll not bore you with the history lesson.
we have our words in our history.
antitum.
gettysburg.
how many high schools in atlanta, ga. are named william tecumseh sherman?
were the beaches at normandy or iwo jima pleasant?
no.
we do not have words like bataan.
don't give me that gitmo crap. they should have been thrown out the back of the plane on the way there.
we do have words like dresden, hiroshima, and nagaski. we knew full well that the way home was through berlin and tokyo. that is why we gave as good or better than we got. we did it for one reason, to go/get home; and when we came home we had and have the nightmares.
but we will never be like "them".
theirs' is a death ethos.
i hope we choose life.
Posted by: louielouie at July 22, 2005 06:27 PM (xKfMm)
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Just for "fun," let's enter that alternative universe where Al Qaeda successfully converts the entire world (even Turkey) to their "special" brand of Islam, and I grow a long beard, and Annika wears a veil. What would Al Qaeda do then? Do they believe that the world would then become some type of utopia?
The one thing that could help us battle Al Qaeda is their current decentralized structure. Let's say that the Birmingham, England branch of Al Qaeda attacks a croissant shop, and the Lyon, France branch of Al Qaeda takes offense at this. Then all the little Al Qaedas would start fighting each other, and they wouldn't have any time to bomb subways or tourist attractions.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at July 22, 2005 11:53 PM (sjjQ2)
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If we stop drinking Scotch, the terrorists win.
Posted by: Kyle at July 23, 2005 03:45 AM (7Re84)
Posted by: MarkD at July 23, 2005 08:25 AM (nQAo8)
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If she will not let me hit it, the terrorists will have won.
Posted by: Mark at July 23, 2005 08:33 PM (haZw+)
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Hear Hear! I've also had that same pet peeve. Glad you posted it.
Posted by: Housewife at July 24, 2005 08:54 PM (c6KJC)
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That phrase only makes sense in a classic guerilla war, where the government's bloddy overreactions drive uncomitted fence-sitters into the guerillas camp. Here, it's truly us versus them. No one wants what they want to happen to the US to actually happen here. At most, they and their leftist enableres want us to leave the middle east. But as for the bag searches, civil liberties invasions, etc., if those things prevent terrorism WE WIN. They could care less about whether this inconveniences or annoys us, other than to the extent it makes us want to do their foreign policy bidding. Since it has little effect on that, we WIN insofar as we become tougher and prevent terrorism.
Posted by: Roach at July 25, 2005 08:55 AM (MRlvg)
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Why do you think that's what the terrorists want? Do you think their methods are consistent with the goal you ascribe to them?
Posted by: Preston at July 25, 2005 09:33 AM (wkfsI)
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Ontario: Yes, that's exactly what they believe. Worldwide Islamic rule under a new Caliph, fulfilling Allah's wishes, and all that rot.
Me, I say, "if we lose, then the terrorists win!"
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July 21, 2005
Professor Schwyzer Endorses Judge Roberts
Hugo Schwyzer, who was once involved in Feminists for Life, has
some interesting thoughts on Judge Roberts and his wife.
While my pro-choice friends might be discomfited by Sullivan Roberts' close ties to a pro-life advocacy group, I'm heartened by it. It's not just that I am (prayerfully and awkwardly) pro-life; it's also that as a pro-feminist man, I know full well that Feminists for Life is a long way away from more traditional anti-abortion outfits like National Right to Life. Though I've criticised FFL in the past for being insufficiently concerned with issues other than abortion, there's no question that they've historically taken a more progressive stance than their conservative sisters on a variety of issues. FFL has historically been strongly anti-death penalty, for example. FFL is also listed as a member organization of the Consistent-Life Movement, which has as its mission statement:We are committed to the protection of life, which is threatened in today's world by war, the arms race, abortion, poverty, racism, capital punishment, and euthanasia. We believe that these issues are linked under a consistent ethic of life.
If Jane Sullivan Roberts is a card-carrying member of FFL, that means there's a better-than-sporting chance that she holds the Consistent Life Ethic position (an ethic rejected by most traditional conservatives, who don't see poverty and the arms race and the death penalty as being nearly as egregious as abortion). After all, if she didn't hold the Consistent Life Ethic, there are plenty of more conservative pro-life outfits out there to which she could lend her time and name and money! And if she held or still holds the Consistent Life Ethic position, is there not some hope that her husband shares her views?
A man who marries a brilliant woman who is his intellectual equal when both are in their forties, and happily adopts children with her, is no troglodyte. And a man married to a woman who is a proud member of a group that has 'Feminist' in its title may not be the disaster for women's rights that some liberals are predicting, nor the champion for the right that some conservatives are hoping.Ann Coulter doesn't like Judge Roberts. Hugh Hewitt, Joe Liberman and Hugo Schwyzer do.
To paraphrase Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Who is this guy?
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(drips man-tit sweat on buzzer)
What is, "a member of an advanced, telephatic alien species that looks like a cross between a Gorgon's head and Tommy Lee's dick"?
O, wait-- this wasn't a Jeopardy question, was it.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 22, 2005 01:07 AM (TDwc6)
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All good questions. Indeed, perhaps the reason he was picked was because his views are not quite public domain. Yes, Coulter is against him due to the game of acting like 'true' conservatives aren't happy, thereby encouraging the great unaware masses to think "hey, he must be kinda moderate or sump'in". There isn't alot that can be thrown at him that would stick sufficiently to warrant a filibuster, and Bush gets his conservative court.
Posted by: will at July 22, 2005 05:27 AM (h7Ciu)
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some responses are so good that you have to post them on you own blog frist.
http://sandcastlesandcubicles.blogspot.com/2005/07/if-you-are-going-to-speculate-do-it.html
So what kinda of interviews do these potential supreme court nominees go though?
I would give them a lie detector test, truth serum and a lie detector test, and I would also have them interviewed by the telepathic CIA spooks that we know they have.
If I was president there would be no possible way I would NOT know what I was getting. I find it hard to believe in this day and age that Bush MIGHT not know what type of person he is putting in power.
Posted by: cube at July 22, 2005 07:55 AM (nyNr0)
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putting a phrase like "the arms race" in a mission statement makes me wonder in what century is their focus.
Posted by: louielouie at July 22, 2005 08:39 AM (xKfMm)
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Thanks for the link, Annie; louie, I agree with you. We in the consistent-life movement sometimes develop a sentimental attachment to rhetoric that has passed its shelf life. Of course, that nostalgia can be found across much of the secular left as well.
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July 20, 2005
California's AG Says "Fuck You" To Conservatives
In the "How the Leftist Fringe Has Infiltrated Your Government" department, we have this latest outrage from the office of California Attorney General, Bill Lockyer.
From Sacramento radio host Eric Hogue's blog:
California's Attorney General Bill Lockyer has invited 'political artist', Steven Pearcy, to hang his creations in the lobby of the Attorney General's Office at the Department of Justice, 1300 I Street, in Sacramento.
Today we dispatched our crack crew to the office complex to see for ourselves the 'artwork' hanging in the lobby - sure thing, it is in full view. Friday there was a reception, and a ceremony honoring Pearcy and his piece of 'art' as it was placed on the wall.
You might remember Steven Pearcy and his ugly wife Virginia, both
Bay Area lawyers who hate America.
When Michael Moore was seated next to Jimmy Carter at the Democratic Convention, the party signaled its lack of concern for the half of this country that thinks Michael Moore is a liar and a charlatan.
While that was bad enough, it wasn't out of place at a party convention. But Bill Lockyer's office? Sure he's a Democrat, but he represents all Californians as Attorney General. By proudly displaying Pearcy's artwork, Lockyer is announcing his contempt for a good portion of the electorate that put him where he is.
i'm not saying he shouldn't have freedom of speech. But that type of inappropriate display in a state government office doesn't instill a lot of confidence that the Attorney General cares much about people like me.
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Miss Annika,
"...that type of inappropriate display in a state government office doesn't instill a lot of confidence that the Attorney General cares much about people like me."
You can chalk it up to a firearms-centric view, but the best way to tell if an AG or any other .gov type cares about people is if they trust them with Arms. Lockyer doesn't. Damn near anything he's had to do with the subject of firearms has been a denial of your Right to them.
so him having artwork that depicts a party or even the country in a bad light shouldn't have been a sign that he holds you in contempt; it should have been yet another confirmation of it.
Really - look at any & all politicians view on firearms then see if a pattern develops between those you think are alright & those you think hold you in disdain. I think you'll find that most of the time (but not always) you can tell whether a politician respects you by whether or not he respects your ability to protect yourself from his kind (i.e. .gov types).
On a lighter note don't feel too bad. Turns out that despite the "budget crisis" that Colorado is in (that's what they keep telling us to
get us to vote for a change in our Taxpayer Bill of Rights that'll jack us for a little more) our state just paid 5 grand for a piece of art originally entitled
"12 dildo's on hooks".
Posted by: Publicola at July 21, 2005 01:39 AM (yHkmm)
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If Arny had any hair on his sack he'd call a press conference at which he'd call Lockyer an anti-American, neocommie piece of shit, and publicly demand his resignation.
Posted by: Matt at July 21, 2005 03:37 AM (MV59I)
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Hopefully, the voters of California (and I seem to be one who realizes "California" isn't just LA and SF/Berkely) will let Lockyer know what they think of his choice of what to hang. I hope he hears about it come re-election time.
Posted by: Victor at July 21, 2005 05:59 AM (L3qPK)
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Well, if I'm right that Schwarzenegger isn't going to run for his own term - something I've thought since he won the recall - then you'll get a whole lot more of Lockyer when he gets elected governor next year.
I can't see a scenario where Arnold runs again, or if he does, wins. And the only other California Republican who MIGHT be able to beat him is Dick Riordan, and that would only serve to make California Republicans crazy. Given how the state party runs, I wouldn't be at all surprised if they thre that retard Simon into the meat grinder again.
Of course, I haven't seen any polling, but I would suspect that if you put Lockyer's percentage of the state wide vote against, say, President Bush's, you have a formidible Democrat who might be impossible to beat.
And that's what mades California so maddening most of the time. It's like Canada with better weather.
Posted by: skipystalin at July 21, 2005 10:27 AM (ruCNe)
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What cracks me up is that he cites SUVs as an example of government action.
sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/07/20/BAGV0DQLCS1.DTL&type=printable
Posted by: Tony at July 21, 2005 10:45 AM (tjFjH)
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"When Michael Moore was seated next to Jimmy Carter at the Democratic Convention, the party signaled its lack of concern for the half of this country that thinks Michael Moore is a liar and a charlatan."
The same could be said for many conservative 'journalists' and commentators, from O'Reilly, Hannity, Coulter, ad infinitum.
His documentaries are certainly biased, but it doesn't hurt to have something other than FauxNews to ponder over.
I don't think the flag/toilet artwork is very tasteful, and shouldn't belong in a government office. He just tanked his chances at running for Governor.
The SUV comment must refer to the stonewalling on CAFE improvements that the Republicans have been engaged in for over a decade now.
The Pearcys sound like extremists, which we see on both sides of the fence.
Posted by: will at July 21, 2005 04:28 PM (h7Ciu)
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I will defend to the death the right for the artist to display that art.
I will also defend to the death the right for the Governor to call people "girly men."
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at July 21, 2005 05:13 PM (bGyIu)
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Annika,
You mention the importance of free speech, but I note that free speech and a little CLASS are never exclusive of each other. Clearly Mr. Lockyer has alot of speech, and not much class, or good judgment for that matter.
Plus, the drawing of the toilet bowl that you posted is poorly drawn. I'm not an "artist," I can draw a little, and even I know that the toilet looks all wrong.
If you're gonna flush America down the toilet, atleast draw the toilet correctly!
Posted by: Mark at July 21, 2005 08:35 PM (m22hj)
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I just saw Steven Pearcy on "Heartland" and I sure hope that most of the people in CA are not as stupid as he is! He thinks he is real 'smart', apparently but, eveyone that I have talked to thinks he is a jackass and anyone that would 'let' him place such tastelass garbage on display (in a public place that the rest of the people pay for) should be voted out of office next time around.
Sure makes me glad that I do not live in CA!
Posted by: Elaine at July 23, 2005 05:54 PM (ywZa8)
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And the democrats and far left keep losing elections. Let 'um keep it up.
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Not Worried About Ann
So Ann Coulter's
not happy about the John Roberts nomination? i don't believe her. i hate to let the cat out of the bag, but i'm convinced her column today is all part of the game plan. It smells like something Karl Rove would have cooked up.
It's no secret that presidents throughout history have used friendly and willing columnists to their own advantage. This president has been caught doing it a couple of times, to great controversy. i read Coulter's piece and her objections seem half-hearted. Hey, i agree with her on strategy. i think Bush should have named an in-your-face conservative, and i said so a few weeks ago. But on substance, the worst she can say about Roberts is "we don't know much about" him.
This is great strategy. When people who don't follow politics that much hear Ann Coulter's name, they often think of her as a right wing extremist. She is not that. Michael Savage is a right wing extremist. Coulter is just very funny, often sarcastic, blonde and female. Therefore, the left hates her more than Savage, who's appeal is narrower and thus less dangerous from their point of view. No one has to be told that Savage is a nut. But since Ann Coulter makes sense so much of the time, demonizing her is the only weapon the left has against her.
So when the politically apathetic hear that Coulter is against Roberts, they're not going to know the specifics of her lackluster objections, they're just going to think "he must be okay." It's just my theory, and of course what do i know, but this kind of reverse psychological tactic seems like trademark Rove to me.
Link thanks to Captain Ed.
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cliche alert
A second positive fallout from Coulter-type articles:
Might not Conservative heebie-jeebies make Roberts eager to prove his bona fides?
Posted by: gcotharn at July 20, 2005 03:35 PM (lu3H/)
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Oh yeah. Annie, not Anni, is dropping her panties for Rove. Brilliant cover move.
Posted by: Casca at July 20, 2005 03:56 PM (qBTBH)
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I agree with you that Ann Coulter is "positioning" Roberts toward the center
And I also agree with you on your assessment of Savage vis a vis Coulter...
Posted by: Thomas Galvin at July 21, 2005 01:52 AM (hZ3fd)
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it never ceases to amaze me how the scared little dim-witted dems all seem to be worried about everything. now they are in a panic as to who farted they are really getting ready to melt down.the dems mental disease is worsening. did rove really do it? or not......
Posted by: bill at July 21, 2005 11:23 AM (X3B0/)
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Ha, I saw the Coulter article, myself I thought it was a fairly transparent attempt to give Roberts cover from the right.
But kid yourself not, y'all are building the new world order and the more doctinaire rightwingers personally loyal to the maximum leader get packed into the upper layers of gummint, the more looting will take place, and the less likely it is that the country will hold together after the bonk.
China off the dollar peg? check
Oil and overall energy system weak and vulnerable? check
Political Division to the point where no issue can be dealt with on it's merits? check
This country is the fiscal equivalent of a meth addict, and when we're done tweaking out on various conspiracy theories and the P.R.C cuts off the money spigot, where will we be?
Posted by: Bull Libertarian at July 28, 2005 01:45 AM (f+7Fs)
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nnika,I don't visit your eb site often,but when I do it is always informing.But I have to disagree with you on Ann Coulter.Yeah,she's smart and she's pretty,but most of the time and I can onlyspeak for myself here she come she comes off as pompous know-it-all on the right.I guess Michael Savage and I do agree with him on many points was once a lefty and when you have on hte other side and have switched your prespective changes and naturally your passion is a lot stronger.Ann Coulter has never been on hte other side at all and also she tends to have avery hloier than thou attitude that I don't particularly care for.
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July 19, 2005
Democrat Strategy Telegraphed Already
Hey the announcement is only a half hour old and Schumer and Durbin have already told me everything i need to know about the Democrats' obstruction strategy!
On CNN, Durbin told Larry King that they intend to be deliberate and they need to ask a bunch of questions, and that they're entitled to ask Roberts' opinion on past cases like Roe. At an earlier press conference Schumer said that he voted against Roberts before* because Roberts would not answer certain questions.
So the strategy is to ask questions that the Democrats know a judicial nominee cannot answer according to the rules of judicial ethics, then claim that he's hiding something. They also plan to drag out the hearings, to enable their operatives to manufacture a "scandal," their allies in the media to publicize the "scandal," and the lefty blogs to whip up outrage over the "scandal."
Just watch.
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* Which is misleading, since Roberts was confirmed unanimously. Shumer voted no in committee.
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I know absolutely zero about this guy but if the press and the Democrats hate him I will probably love him. I wonder what Scalia thiks of him? Because if Scalia likes him then he's good in my book.
Posted by: Andy at July 19, 2005 06:55 PM (l04c2)
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It's OK. We've found out one thing, which I knew already. If you're doubting dubyah, you're misunderestimating him. These mutherfuggahs are the first team. Nothing is done without reason.
The libs will blow their load on Roberts, and he'll beat them. Forty-two cases argued before the Supremes? I think he's seen all the tricks, and has three plays in the book for each one. We're going to watch Peyton Manning pick apart a weak secondary.
Stage deux is Rehnquist's replacement, and the thirty potentates whom dubyah didn't consult will be standing there as Sonny said, with their dick in their hand.
Posted by: Casca at July 19, 2005 09:19 PM (qBTBH)
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i agree with andy.
i hope this gets boxer to soak her depends on the senate chamber floor.
Posted by: louielouie at July 19, 2005 10:23 PM (xKfMm)
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For the Circuit Court, I read that Roverts was approved by the full Senate 99 to 0.
Does that mean Shumer sat it out or did he actually vote for him on the floor?
This is so Karl Rove that it must be pissing the libs off still.
This will take the headlines for the next forseeable future until he is confirmed; then we get Rhenquist and/or Stevens.
The Special Prosecutor will decline charges against Rove and that will die a natural death.
If the Chief can hold out loing enough, say a year or so, maybe we get Janice Rogers Brown again for the Bigs and Scalia moves up.
When Stevens passes on, W can then get his butt boy Gonzales and the diehards will have to let it go, since he has clearly proven his loyalty to the right.
Can't wait to hear the "Conscience of the Senate" bloviate, you know, Mark Spitz Kennedy...
It just don't get no better than this...
Posted by: shelly at July 20, 2005 03:17 AM (pO1tP)
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Oh, by the way Senator Shumer, I'll take Political Calculus for Double Jeapordy.
Ans: "What is a one legged man at an asskicking?"
Posted by: shelly at July 20, 2005 03:23 AM (pO1tP)
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The only thing you need to know about the guy is that Mark Levin, author of Men in Black, thinks he is first rate.
Posted by: Kyle at July 20, 2005 03:49 AM (7Re84)
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Leahy is also telegraphing a strategy of delay, saying(I'm paraphrasing): I will go back home, pull on a pair of jeans, sit under my apple tree, and read everything I need to read about Judge Roberts; and it will take the entire month of August for me to accomplish this.
Since a legitimate Roberts' scandal looks unlikely, I don't see how he can fail to be confirmed. Circuit Court and Appellate Court judges could be filibustered b/c the nation wasn't paying close attention, and Senator Whoever could get away with bullshit justification for opposing cloture. But the eyes of the nation are fixed on this nomination, and Senator Whoever cannot get away with his bullshit justification so easily.
Therefore, despite the upcoming weeks of howls, a filibuster will go nowhere on Roberts. The Dems have a problem: they need to mollify the money-raising interest groups. The only way to do that is to delay a Roberts vote as long as possible - to show that their hearts were in the right place, and to try to embarrass/weaken Bush as much as possible - even in a losing cause.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 20, 2005 11:17 AM (3Bn47)
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Bush will have proved himself to social conservatives when Roe v. Wade is overturned. Roberts plus Renquhist's replacement will not do that. Appointing Gonzales would keep Roe protected.
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"For the Circuit Court, I read that Roverts was approved by the full Senate 99 to 0. Does that mean Shumer sat it out or did he actually vote for him on the floor?"
Shelly, I'd think you of all people know the Senate does so many things by unanimous consent in part so that nobody has to be publicly accountable about what they're really for or against. For a nomination to go through that way, you're not going to have a neat lineup of names in the Congressional Record with Y's and N's next to them, just the indication that no one objected and therefore unanimous consent was granted.
Posted by: Dave J at July 20, 2005 12:40 PM (CYpG7)
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I have a question for the pro-choice conservative lawyers/students who inhabit this blog:
Even though you're pro-choice, don't some (most?) of you think Roe v Wade is bad law? Wouldn't you be, at some level, happy to see it overturned on that basis? Couldn't you support a justice who supported overturning Roe v Wade on the basis that it is bad law?
Anyone?
Posted by: gcotharn at July 20, 2005 03:29 PM (lu3H/)
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For my part, gcotharn, I've become less and less pro-choice over time, am torn both ways on the issue and I guess would define myself as "reluctantly pro-choice with significant restrictions." I certaily believe Roe is bad law and that the matter should properly be returned to the states (not necessarily just the state legislatures, BTW, either, as this would immediately become a subject of litigation under STATE constitutional law).
Part of the genius of federalism is that far more than a simple majority get what they want locally, and in principle I see nothing wrong with, for example, Alabama banning abortion while Massachusetts not only allows it but expends state funds on it (though as a Massachusetts Republican, I would fight that within the confines of my own state political process...er, until whenever I leave again, of course).
Posted by: Dave J at July 20, 2005 03:56 PM (CYpG7)
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I am a pro-choice conservative Republican lawyer and I think that Roe v. Wade is bad law. I much prefer the state's rights approach.
The problem is, I question my own validity, as I vacillate about the pro-choice thing.
I have a grandson who is 11 years old; he was often discussed while in his mother's womb about abortion. I could not support him being aborted.
On the other hand, crack babies have nothing to live for but pain and addiction, sometimes horrible disfigurement, so I certainly support aborting them all.
I guess it is an economic/family situation thing for me. If you can afford it and would love and raise it properly, I say no abortion, but otherwise, call in the long knives.
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I'm happy to hear this, which is what I expected would be the case.
I think there is no reason for someone like Shelley to fear a pro-life SC Justice, as Shelly believes the issue should properly be decided by the states anyway, and I do not anticipate conservative justices ever supporting a federal ban on abortion. If anyone is still reading this thread: Does anyone fear a conservative SC would ever find in favor of a federal ban on abortion?
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July 17, 2005
The Media Is On The Side Of The Enemy, Or Journalists Are Not Just Idiots, They Are Treasonous Bastards And Liars, The Lot Of 'Em
i'm hosting part of the
Cotillion Ball this week, and i was going to save
this link from The Anchoress for Tuesday. But i'm so pissed off that i had to post about it right now. i haven't been this outraged since Rathergate.
i mean, i shouldn't be surprised, i knew the media are a bunch of fucking liars who hate Republicans and will sell their country down the river, just to embarass Bush. But their unprincipled treason -- yes i am literally calling ABC, CBS, PBS, CNN and NBC traitors -- their clumsy treason is lengthening this war, encouraging the enemy, and costing American lives. The bastards.
What the fuck am i talking about? Look at this video clip.
Back in 1999 when Clinton was president, ABC News did a news report, which stated in unequivocal language that Osama Bin Laden and Saddam Hussein were in contact and actively planning an alliance. ABC News actually said that Saddam's envoy told OBL "he would be welcome in Baghdad," and that Iraq was willing to help OBL get weapons of mass destruction!
This is incredible. It's positively Orwellian. It's the smoking gun for the media's hypocrisy. As far as i'm concerned there is no reason for me to trust anything they say, ever. As if i needed a reason after Jason Blairgate, Rathergate, Easongate I, Easongate II, etc. etc.
Please watch this video and pass it on whenever you hear any liberal say that there were no links between Al Qaeda and Iraq. They bought that line because their media told them so. Upon hearing the same media tell them the exact opposite, i imagine some of them will self destruct like the computer Landrew in that old Star Trek episode.
Audio and story is at Roger Simon. Video via a comment from Bill at INDC Journal to Roger's post.
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Yep, been that way for a loooong time.
Posted by: Casca at July 17, 2005 11:12 PM (qBTBH)
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Annie:
The media is not on the side of the enemy; they ARE the enemy.
Posted by: shelly at July 18, 2005 01:47 AM (pO1tP)
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Unfortunantly they represent about a third of all americans.
Posted by: Kyle at July 18, 2005 03:50 AM (7Re84)
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Dear Annika,
I know you probably hear this every day, but I love you. If you're ever on the east coast, let me know. I'll buy you a drink...
Love,
Rob
Posted by: Rob at July 18, 2005 04:22 AM (/2+5K)
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Can I just say that I'm surprised you were surprised? Nothing about the hyprocisy of the MSM surprises me anymore.
Posted by: physics geek at July 18, 2005 07:24 AM (Xvrs7)
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It is good to retain the capacity for outrage. When we are so cynical that we lose the capacity for outrage, we will be France. Through the device of her righteous anger, Annika is doing her part to fight against that.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 18, 2005 09:38 AM (lu3H/)
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"Orwellian" is absolutely right. When the truth no longer serves this media, it just erases any evidence, and pretends it never existed.
Then they expect us to react the same way.
Posted by: Mark at July 18, 2005 12:32 PM (bEIfp)
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Heard the MSM sponsored a party for some of thier fascist Islamic associates. It was a BOYB...Bring Your Own Bomb.
Posted by: Eneils Bailey at July 18, 2005 12:50 PM (tYuhc)
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it is truly odd when you CAN believe the gov't and CAN'T believe a damn thing the media says.
gcotharn,
read abraham lincoln a lot do you?
Posted by: louielouie at July 18, 2005 01:30 PM (xKfMm)
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Louielouie heres a tip; you cant believe the government either. Media and government are both manipulating the truth for their own benefit.
While it might be wrong that the media didn't issue retractions or corrections it doesn't constitute lies, treason or hypocrisy when it is perfectly possible that the situation has changed.
Did you guys miss the 9-11 commission? Sure in 1999 it may have looked like Saddamn and Al Qaeda were planning to get in bed together, we now know it wasn't really true, alot of stuff can happen in 3 years.
Although it would be funny to see it, I don't think any liberals will self destruct, they will probably point out that the Government has better intelligence than ABC News.
Posted by: Ivan at July 18, 2005 03:59 PM (GpcqB)
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it's interesting though, that the claims made by the ABC reporter were bolder than anything the Bush administration ever said on the subject.
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July 16, 2005
Remember This When...
Remember the following when the Senate Democrats cry "extreme circumstances."
Bush . . . stated that Americans 'expect a Senate confirmation process that rises above partisanship.' Indeed... we expect and desrve a quick confirmation. Bush did right by establishing what the precedent of fair treatment is. The 1993 confirmation of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a liberal who replaced a retiring conservative, was voted on an confirmed with 96 votes a mere 42 days after her nomination was submitted by President Clinton in 1993. Some liberal pundits have suggested that Bush's victory in November doesn't give him a 'mandate' to replace O'Connor with a conservative. However, Clinton, in his first year of office after winning without a majority of the vote had a near painless confirmation process for his nominee, who, as I previously mentioned, replaced a retiring conservative.
From
Blogs For Bush.
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Annie:
I had a simiar discussion with Orren Hatch one day at lunch, as I was compaining that I had helped Barbara Boxer get two tough nominations through the Republican Senate, working with him on both.
I asked him why there is no reciprocity, to which he answered "They don't play fairly like we do; winning is more important than integrity or justice."
You cannot deal logically with one who is not logical.
Posted by: shelly at July 16, 2005 03:14 PM (pO1tP)
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Yes, Annika. Yes, Shelly. Let us remember this example the next million times we hear the Republicans urged to give up some political something in order to win the good will of the Democrats:
1) Thomas is Borked.
2) Ginsburg is politely confirmed.
3) Confirmation hell breaks out against Bush' appointees.
I remember Annika herself creating this negotiation meme:
"Never give up a concession to gain goodwill."
I completely agree.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 16, 2005 03:36 PM (lu3H/)
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Which is to say:
GO FORWARD WITH THE NUCLEAR/CONSTITUTIONAL OPTION!!!!!
Posted by: gcotharn at July 16, 2005 03:38 PM (lu3H/)
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K-rist, can't you people get laid on a Saturday? Me either, so when the blood letting comes, if you don't have a target, keep your head down so you don't get hit. Yes I HAVE been drinking.
Posted by: Casca at July 16, 2005 03:46 PM (qBTBH)
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Nuclear Option. Easier said than done. (except by W)
Frist was not shy, he just didn't have the 50 to do it, viz. "The gang of 14".
That so called "compromise", as distasteful as it was to many of us, may yet turn out to be the key to the rules change.
If the Dems who were part of the 14 try to allege that "unusual circumstances" exist in a situation where the 7 R's (or even enough of them) disagree, perhaps some of the squishes will actually grow a spinal cord and join Frist, the rest of thie party and W in getting the rule changed once and for all.
I think this was the thinking of at least Lindsay Graham, Mike Dewine and John Warner, who did sign on to the compromise. The others were the usual suspects, John McCain, Susan Collins, Olympia Snow and Lincoln Chaffee.
I was personally surpised not to see Chuck Hagel in the deal, as he was always one of those who was iffy on the cloture vote. He may still be.
I am bothered by just one thing, and that is the fact that I am a pro-choice Republican; otherwise I am conservative about every other major issue.
I am not sure that I want to open the door for Bush or the right wing part of my party to jam in a couple or three of pro-lifers in order to change the 6-3 Roe v. Wade vote to 5-4 the other way.
You never get it all, do you?
Posted by: shelly at July 16, 2005 09:16 PM (pO1tP)
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Shelly,
Interesting point - I wish I believed the Stupid Party was smart enough to "win by losing" via 7 Repub Senators joining the "gang of 14." Maybe they are smart enough. Maybe the Great Pumpkin.... oh never mind.
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i Have Been Tortured
Yesterday,
Captains Quarters linked to the results of an independent investigation that found only three violations of Army Regulations and the Geneva Conventions* at the Guantanamo Bay detention facility.
The chief investigator, Air Force Lt. Gen. Randall M. Schmidt, described the interrogation techniques used on Mohamed al-Qahtani, a Saudi who was captured in December 2001 along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.
. . .
Schmidt said that to get him to talk, interrogators told him his mother and sisters were whores, forced him to wear a bra, forced him to wear a thong on his head, told him he was homosexual and said that other prisoners knew it. They also forced him to dance with a male interrogator, Schmidt added, and subjected him to strip searches with no security value, threatened him with dogs, forced him to stand naked in front of women and forced him onto a leash, to act like a dog.
Looking at the list of "violations," i realize that most, if not all of these things have happened to me at various times in my life. i bet most of you could say the same thing.
Someone has insulted my mother.
i've worn a bra. In fact, i'm wearing one right now, against my will.
i've worn a thong, though not on my head.
i've been told that i like men and that other people knew it.
i've danced with men.
i've had my clothes removed from my body for no apparent security purpose.
i've been frightened by a dog.
i've stood naked around women.
i've barked like a dog. uhhh, but i was drunk at the time.
No comment on the leashy thing.
Where's my ACLU lawyer?
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* Why we're even talking about the Geneva Conventions is a mystery to me. Until Al Qaeda becomes a signatory to that agreement, it is irrelevant.
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Unfortunately, teh Geneva Conventions aren't irrelevant. Even though our enemies are not signatories (How could they be, anyway? The conventions seem to be diametrically opposed to their own "convictions") I think the signatories agreed to abide by the conventions even if their enemy in the particular conflict is not or does not. I can think of no other reason that we abided by them in Vietnam (I know both the VC and North Vietnam were not signatories, nor, obviously, did they pay any attention to them) or Korea (I'm pretty sure North Korea was not a signatory)
Seems stupid, but I think that it was part of the traty.
Posted by: JJR at July 14, 2005 10:58 AM (HxEi3)
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Wearing a bra against your will eh? I say you take it off THIS INSTANT!
It would be a sign of support for those poor little terrorists in Gitmo. Not to mention you might make those men around you very happy. And if I know you you're all about making people happy.
Posted by: The Maximum Leader at July 14, 2005 11:06 AM (jiSuM)
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I've worn a thong on my head - and I enjoyed it - though I was hungover the next day.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 14, 2005 12:27 PM (3Bn47)
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Oh my God, I might be a terrorist!
I've insulted someone's mother (I might have even insulted my own mother)
I've purchased a thong for someone, and implored her to wear it.
I've told other's that they are men, and have even called some men 'gay' --- not that there's anything wrong with it.
I've forced my wife to dance the Marcena at a wedding
My dog has frightened some small children.
There has been much nudity around men and women.
Posted by: Robbie at July 14, 2005 01:22 PM (lbWbV)
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http://knidmidds.chinalake.navy.mil/clweather.asp
nothing to do with the subject on hand
other than 111F is torture
Posted by: Wayne at July 14, 2005 02:35 PM (djVNl)
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K-rist JJR, have you ever taken The Law of Land Warfare course? I thought not, so stfu about geneva convention applicability. It doesn't apply to ANY of those sons of allah. They never had a uniform til the got to Gitmo. As far as the Geneva convention is concerned, we should have executed them by summary court martial, but we were looking to gather a little intel. That is all.
Posted by: Casca at July 14, 2005 05:47 PM (qBTBH)
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Thinking here that anyone who wants to kill us should be killed first. And anyone defending the Gitmo prisoners needs to get a life, for real, or not take ours with their bs. Annika, 1st time commentor, like your blog. 59 y.o. white male
Posted by: Johnny at July 14, 2005 07:23 PM (ntdZU)
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I heard McCain yesterday at a senate panel grandstanding about this issue saying "What will happen when our guys get captured?" Well, senator, they will probably be tortured and beheaded, which was going to happen anyway you dumbass!
That man is as big an attention whore as Schumer.
Posted by: Kyle at July 15, 2005 04:10 AM (7Re84)
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Casca,
I have taken the law of land warfare, and have TAUGHT the class. Please don't lecture me on what it says or does not say. I served as an active duty infantry officer for over six years. Have you? I thought not, so "stfu" about what I know or don't know. If you would like to debate the aspects of the law or convention, that's fine, but back up your point with some facts. First of all, I said I might be mistaken. If you have a SPECIFIC point I got wrong, let me know. The law of land warfare (as we have put it in FM 27-10) specifically, to my memory, mandates that we will abide by the mandates of the Geneva Convention, whether or not our adversaries do so.
Personally, I don't think we necessarily should, or should have done so in the past, but the whole point of my post is simply that we HAVE applied the mandates of the conventions unilaterally.
Also, the law of land warfare is not the convention. It is our application of them. Have you read the several treaties which we have signed? I believe that they do say that the mandates of the conventions will be applied by the signatory states, even when engaged in combat operations against an enemy which has not signed. I said it was stupid that they put it in.
Finally, whether or not the particular provisions of the convention apply to a specific "combatant" is a matter for a military panel. Personally, I think we should repudiate this provision of the treaty, but you can't ignore something just because you don't like it.
Posted by: JJR at July 15, 2005 10:17 AM (HxEi3)
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"I served as an active duty infantry officer for over six years." You think not? You think wrong. But what the hell, it's not the first thing that you're wrong about here. Lecturing the troopies barely qualifies as "teaching".
You pick up a weapon on the battlefield, and you're not part of a bonafide organized military with ties to the nation-state, and you are fucked.
We adhere to the Geneva Convention when the bad guys don't? Go read about the Phoenix Program. Yep, we really did go out and whack 'em. Thank God there are pragmatists wearing cammie who don't quibble about the fine points of law. Do you know that we have snipers watching the turning circles in Iraq where the IEDs get planted? They shoot people who are acting in a "suspicious fashion".
The Geneva Convention was setup to protect soldiers and civilians in a gentler age. It is an anachronism in an age of total war.
The truth is that it is bad to have a nebulous standard when serving in the field, so we teach the Law of Land Warfare. In reality it is impractical. Normally the trigger pullers make rational judgments based on least risk to themselves, as they should. That doesn't protect them from second-guessing from those who weren't there. So I refer you to Lord Byron:
When a man hath no freedom to fight for at home,
Let him combat for that of his neighbor.
Let him dream of the glory of Greece and of Rome,
and get knocked on the head for his labor.
To do good for mankind is the chivalrous plan,
and is always as nobly requited.
So battle for freedom wherever you can,
and if not shot, or hanged, you'll be knighted.
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Boycott San Francisco
So say
Michelle Malkin,
Gaypatriot and
Gryphmon, who is
all over this story.
Today the SF Board of Supervisors engaged in an offensive display of prejudice, stupidity and a lack of respect for history, both of the military and of the gay community.'The San Francisco Board of Supervisors today voted 3-8 against a resolution urging the San Francisco Congressional Delegation to support the permanent berthing of the USS Iowa as a museum at the Port of San Francisco.'
I'm sorry, but I will not ever visit a place where the US military is not welcome.
Even my best liberal friend in San Francisco, Franci, is outraged at this. What the hell is going on over there? Are they going to get rid of the
U.S.S. Pampanito next?
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not only that, I hate the Sixty Niners, er.. Forty niners.
Posted by: Kyle at July 14, 2005 03:20 PM (7Re84)
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There is a reason why the Navy has no active ships stationed in the city by the bay. A pal of mine helped write the study that said, "Move everything to where it's warm".
As for the Iowa, she should be parked in Iowa, or Cleveland, one or the other.
Posted by: Casca at July 14, 2005 06:01 PM (qBTBH)
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The gals at EIMC are right there with you for this boycott!
Posted by: Greta Perry at July 15, 2005 07:57 AM (yXmOj)
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July 13, 2005
Horrible News That Didn't Make The Headlines
If not for Michele's
A Small Victory, i might never have heard about
this horrible crime, which happened yesterday.
At least 22 schoolchildren have reportedly been shot dead in a brutal raid on a remote village in northeastern Kenya.
A total of 66 were killed in what is believed to be the country's worst-ever single episode of inter-clan violence, a local politician said.
Bonaya Godana, the member of parliament for North Horr district in which the attack took place, said that 56 villagers, most of them young children and their mothers, had been killed in yesterday's raid on Turbi village.
Police said earlier that 10 of the attackers had also been killed.
Mr Godana, a former Kenyan foreign minister who was touring the scene of the brutal attack, said many of the victims had been shot dead while preparing to go to school.
'As of this morning, 56 of our people have been confirmed dead and of them are 22 schoolchildren, and most of them died in their school uniforms,' he said, adding that 10 schoolchildren were among those seriously wounded in the attack.
'The majority of the dead are mothers and their children,' Mr Godana said. 'Three other people are still missing and we suspect that they are dead.'
i don't get it. Do the elites care about Africa or don't they. Why wasn't this the lead on every newscast? Twenty-two schoolkids still wearing their uniforms?
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/Sarcasm on.
Someone call Bob Geldolf. Let's have another concert.
/Sarcasm off.
I think this story illustrates my complete lack of faith that anything good will come from the African continent anytime soon, no matter how much charity or sympathy we toss toward the gigantic sinkhole it has become.
The refusal (or ignorance) of the population, corrupt leaders, and a story like this, continue to reinforce my belief that the Africa will never move into the present and will continually be left behind by the rest of the world. Pretty sad.
Posted by: K in Dallas at July 13, 2005 10:37 AM (fV3JK)
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Elites care about Africa insofar as they can feel good about themselves in proposing "solutions" to Africa's problems. Whether those "solutions" actually work or not is not exactly their concern.
Posted by: Mark at July 13, 2005 06:04 PM (/jD0o)
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And who, exactly, are the elites of which you speak?
Posted by: Elroy at July 14, 2005 02:40 AM (J2W+P)
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terrible thing.
no one will hear about it, however.
it didn't happen in Aruba...
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July 12, 2005
For The Record...
Count me among the list of conservative bloggers who say Karl Rove must go.
Dr. Rusty doesn't want the distraction of a scandal.
The Maximum Leader wants to see the administration maintian a higher standard.
i'm in agreement with many of the points made by the above two esteemed gentlemen. It is not clear that Rove violated any laws. As i understand it, the statute in question has an intent element, and as any former 1st year law student will tell you, proving intent is the tough part.
But to me, the main issue is this: President Bush said that any administration official found to have been involved in leaking the name of an undercover C.I.A. officer would be fired.
The fact that Valerie Plame was not really undercover seems irrelevant now, and that is as it should be, in my opinion. We are in the middle of a Global War on Terror, and we should not be playing semantics when it comes to perhaps the most important weapon in that war: our intelligence services. There should be a bright line standard that protects all members of the C.I.A. They need to have the confidence that they can do their job without risk that the Administration might rat them out for political reasons. i'm not saying that was what was done here, but that's the perception, like it or not.
So, Bush promised to fire anyone involved and now we find out that at least one of the persons who leaked the info was "the architect" himself. Maybe it was stupid for the President to say he'd fire anyone, but he said it. It was also stupid for the President to back off on the yellow cake assertion too, when the British were sticking by the report. What the hell, this administration has never been one that places a high value on articulatication, unfortunately.
But i didn't vote for Bush twice because i thought he was articulate. i voted for him because i trust him on key issues. Not all issues mind you, but key issues like whether i'm going to get blowed up sometime in the future or not. i need to trust him on certain things. i need to know that his commitment to this Nation is greater than his commitment to his friends. Even to friends like Karl Rove, a man to whom the President, this country, and by extension myself, owe a great deal.
Yes, i am incredibly grateful to Karl Rove for everything he did to prevent the unbelievable disaster that a Gore presidency would have been for this country, in this time. And for preventing a Kerry presidency, which would have also been disastrous, though less so than Gore, who i believe is mentally unstable. But all gratitude aside, Karl Rove is expendable. Especially so, now that Bush has been elected to his final term.
On January 26, 1998, President Clinton looked me (and all Americans) in the eye and said, "I did not have sexual relations with that woman."* It was that statement, which wasn't even under oath, that bothered me more than anything else he did. It bothered me even more than his lying to the Grand Jury. When a president speaks to the American people like that, in those kind of absolute terms, he is calling on an automatic reservoir of trust we give to our leaders. Maybe it's foolish to grant any politician that kind of trust, but i think most rational Americans do. So when it turned out that Clinton looked me in the eye and lied, well, i couldn't forgive him for that.
Now, Bush didn't look into any cameras when he promised to fire anyone who leaked the Plame info, or if he did it's not something i've seen. But that doesn't matter. Bush made a promise in absolute terms about something very simple. i want him to keep that promise.
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* This is the full Clinton quote, in all its infamous glory:
"Now, I have to go back to work on my State of the Union speech. And I worked on it until pretty late last night. But I want to say one thing to the American people. I want you to listen to me. I'm going to say this again. I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky. I never told anybody to lie, not a single time – never. These allegations are false. And I need to go back to work for the American people."
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The fact that Valerie Plame was not really undercover seems irrelevant now, and that is as it should be, in my opinion.
I disagree, that's of supreme relevance. If she isn't covert, then talking about her is not (and cannot be) a crime--or even unethical (it'd be like talking about a secretary at the CIA).
Yes, CIA people need confidence that they won't be "outed" for political reasons--but if there was no "outing", then there's no scandal.
Unless challenging the credibility of one who writes politically motivated falsehoods in the NYT (as Wilson did in his infamous op-ed), is somehow out of bounds for an administration to respond to.
So yes, Bush said he'd fire anyone involved in the alleged "outing" of Plame. Whether she was "outed" remains to be seen, as does the question of whether Rove was involved in it. (Cooper's Rove email just doesn't rise to the level of objectionability yet)
Posted by: Christopher Cross at July 12, 2005 07:42 PM (jYorv)
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May I speculate that you think the Brits were not being ungrateful churls in dumping Churchill after the war?
Posted by: The Owner's Manual at July 12, 2005 08:29 PM (BzOYm)
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In the abstract, Christopher, that all makes sense. It is, however, beside the point. The President has a job to do, and owes it to everyone not to deprive himself of the ability to carry it out by being mired in scandal. Among the innumerable reasons Bill Clinton was (to be generous) lax with our national security was that he was simply too busy with constant political damange control. Hemming and hawing, splitting hairs and parsing statutes will simply magnify that damage, so Rove has to go. If he's as great a political operator as he's made out to be, he knows this himself. Yet an excessive sense of personal loyalty may be this president's greatest weakness, so I can't say I'm optimisitic about it actually happening.
Posted by: Dave J at July 12, 2005 09:01 PM (8XpMm)
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Dave is right. It's good to remember that presidents are just like the rest of us, they have only 24 hours a day to do everything. imagine if you had to devote half your time at work on some stupid damage control project. How much would you be able to concentrate on lurking problems that don't seem like a high priority at the time. Which is a perfect description of the al Qaeda presence back in the nineties. Turned out it was a bigger problem than it seemed, but Clinton was fighting just to stay president. It's inexcusable, but also understandable that his administration didn't pay enough attention to the threat. (i know, there's also the philosophical problem of law enforcement vs. military approach too, which was just as much to blame as the Lewinsky/Starr distraction.)
Amazing how much i've become a Clinton apologist lately. i don't mean to be. i'll go spank myself now as punishment.
Posted by: annika at July 12, 2005 09:23 PM (BAOY1)
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Wrong, wrong, wrong.
C'mon Annie, what are you learning in law school?
How about the presumption of innocence? Anybody remember that, or do Republicans not deserve it from the liberals because of something like original sin?
Let's at least wait for all the facts and his position before we lynch the guy.
According to what I am hearing right now, Time was ready to go with a story that Cheney sent Wilson to find out about the yellowcake stuff in Niger, and it backfired. Wilson was pushing a lie.
Wilson has no credentials whatsoever to know about this stuff; turns out it is his wife that has the expertise on yellowcake and that is what she does, but not covertly overseas; she's an internal staffer.
It is not illegal to mention the name of a CIA employee. Porter Goss, for instance. It has to be a covert operative, and you need to intend to blow his/her cover. Rove apparently didn't know her and had no idea about covert (she wasn't).
Listen, all those spooks are the same. I was in the Department of Justice as a young lawyer in Washington in the 60's.
Hanging out on M Street in the bars, a short conversation with a cute girl would go like this:
Horny Guy: "So, what do you do here?
Cute Girl: "I work in Virginia".
HG: "Just where in Virgina?"
CG: "Near Langley"
HG: "OK, so you are CIA"
CG: "I didn't say that"
HG: "Yes you did; want to go somewhere and talk?"
Everyone knew that they were just staffers, but they always maintained the attempt at mistique; then and now.
Valerie Plame was part of the decison making process in the CIA that asked her husband to go to Niger and spy for the Company, and he was trying to pass it off as Cheney driven.
Rove was correcting the story; didn't know her, didn't mention her name, just said Wilson was not sent by Cheney and was apparently send by the CIA at his wife's behest. He also said it specifically on the condition that it not be used, but only to provide background to keep a wrong story from being printed and perpetuating a lie being told by Wilson.
Re-think this one, Annie, and at least go neutral until the facts all come out. If the story is as I just heard, Rove is not going anywhere except to the next State Dinner.
Wilson is a liar and a cheat, having been a big donor to Kerry and an advisor as well. For him, it was all about the election.
Rove is an American Hero, and Wilson can go to Gitmo.
Posted by: shelly at July 12, 2005 09:40 PM (pO1tP)
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Sheesh, just when I was getting ready to nominate you for Chief Justice. It's that time of the month isn't it.
Posted by: Casca at July 12, 2005 10:06 PM (qBTBH)
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annie - wilson is an lying idiot working for the chocolate makers, this is totally a manufactured "scandal" - the lefties don't care that Valerie Plame is famous and the centerfold of every porn magazine. You definitely must re-spank yourself in public.
Posted by: d-rod at July 12, 2005 10:24 PM (b+Syl)
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Annie:
By the way, the law enforcement v. military threat issue to which you refer was a product primarily of one Jamie Gorelick, you know, the 9/11 Commissioner who was on the commission with Lannie Davis to do nothing but defend Bill.
During the Clinton administration, she was the Deputy Attorney General at DOJ who issued the famous 1995 "Wall of Separation" memo which forbade the sharing critical information between the criminal enforcement and anti-terrorist parts of the FBI.
It could have been said (and was by many) that if there was one document that led to the FBI screwups on 9/11 more than any other, it was her "Wall of Separation" memo.
So, yet another Clinton problem that was interally created. (I pointedly refrain from adding "by a woman")
In Clinton's defense (if you care to do it) I doubt seriously if he ever hit on either Jamie or her boss, Janet Reno.
On the other hand, they were probably Hillary's picks. Hmmmm...
Posted by: shelly at July 13, 2005 03:49 AM (pO1tP)
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ANN you are correct. I am on record here and on other blogs as saying. Rove is a political hack and not worth anyone falling on their sword for.
He outed Plame, no two ways about it. Sure he didnt say her name, but do we want to be like Clinton and defend ourselves with semantics?(depends on what the definition of is, is) Or be like Al Gore and justify our behavior on a legal technicality?(no controling legal authority)
He will be a tremendous obstacle to getting any business done as long as he stays.
By-by Karl.
Posted by: Kyle at July 13, 2005 04:27 AM (7Re84)
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One correction, Annika. Bush didn't say he'd fire anyone who outed the CIA agent. He said if anyone BROKE THE LAW, he would be taken care of. Don't get sucked in by Harry the Demagogue Reid's misquotes. Carl Rove didn't break the law. Valerie Plame was a desk rider, not a covert agent.
Posted by: Larry at July 13, 2005 04:37 AM (OT/SV)
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You must realize that the Wilsons are a well-known gad-about couple especially in Democrat and media social circles. They have been in the society pages since 1998. Everyone knew that Plame was WilsonÂ’s wife, and almost everyone knew she worked at the CIA.
How do you out celebrities?
Wilson outed his wife by publishing that editorial lying about the results of his secret mission to Niger. A few days later a reporter called Rove and asked him about the story. Rove said that Wilson was lying which was true. He then said a well known fact-Wilson's wife also works at the CIA without mentioning any names.
There is much blame to spread around in this affair. Rove is the most blameless one involved.
Posted by: Jake at July 13, 2005 05:47 AM (r/5D/)
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I figured I'd jump into the comment thread here since it is getting a little nasty here.
First off, I'd like to address the earlier comment by "The Owners Manual" about the Brits dumping Churchill during WW2. I consider Winston Churchill one of my great personal heros, and I've researched and read a lot about him. Unfortunately he was dumped at the end of the war not by an ungrateful people, but because the Tories didn't run any sort of election. Atlee ran on a platform of socialized medicine and nationalized industry that promised jobs and care for everyone. Churchill responded to this by calling that vision of a socialist Britain one ruled by "some sort of Gestapo." Winston was a great man (I believe the greatest of the 20th Century in fact) but he had a habit throughout his life of saying inflamatory things at the wrong time. When Britons were just getting over WW2 and Nazis and death camps it is a bad idea to insinuate that your opposition is going to establish a secret police to enforce their political will on the people. It had nothing to do with gratitude.
As for Rove. I thought I was clear in saying that I do not believe that any law was broken by Rove. I do not believe that Rove will, or should, go to jail. But I also think that the President has made it clear that he will hold his Administration to a higher standard than his predecessor. If the leak was not involving a "national security" issue my opinion would be that Rove should stay. But as it stands it is more important that the President be able to be a strong war leader and show that he takes security issues very seriously. Equivocation will not help him. I'm also not insinuating that Wilson and Plame are blameless in this matter. There is plenty of blame to go around. But Rove got caught up in a sticky wicket and now must do what is right for the President's sake.
Posted by: The Maximum Leader at July 13, 2005 05:53 AM (jiSuM)
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When did restating a well-known fact (allbeit within certain political circles) become acceptable grounds for a lynching. Democrats are panicking and grabbing whatever looks like a sure thing PR-wise.
Posted by: koond0g at July 13, 2005 06:05 AM (K6YUI)
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I wouldn't be upset at Rove leaving, but I would be upset at the notion that democrats would be emboldened to pull this same stunt again.
We still don't know if Rove named Plame or not, we just know that he told Newsweek's Cooper that Wilson's wife sent him, and that the story that Wilson was peddling was false (which it was.) We don't know that Rove talked to the reporter that actually leaked her name, Bob Novak (although I would bet money that he did,) but more importantly, we don't know if Rove gave Novak her name or specifically outed her.
Look, Plame and Wilson were specifically telling lies in an attempt to embarass a sitting president at a time of war. If Rove did leak the names he should be fired, but Wilson and Plame should be facing charges, not acting like the left's media darling's.
I understand everyone's point that Rove is a distraction right now. You're right. But if he does get fired, and given the way the left has been acting, don't you think it will give them all the justification they need to act worse?
Posted by: Trevor at July 13, 2005 06:40 AM (RwZxT)
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Maximum Leader.
"he will hold his Administration to a higher standard than his predecessor. "
You are allowing the MSM and the Democrats to decide what that standard is no matter how ridiculous. MSM and the Democrats are the last people America should listen to when talking about ethics.
If the administration followed the demands of the that mob for resignations, we would have no:
Cabinet
Administration advisors
Republican leaders
Military officers above a major.
Sane judges
Posted by: Jake at July 13, 2005 06:44 AM (r/5D/)
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You've hit the nail on the head, Annika. If Bill Clinton was impeached for lying about fooling around, then Karl Rove show be facing 20 years. Some people here don't understand Valerie's various roles at the agency, some of which have been reported to involve covert operations. All of her contacts in those countries she operated in are now at jeopardy, and any US personnel involved would likely have been extracted shortly after the news broke.
This kind of interference in intelligence affairs is beyond excusable, even if Rove felt it was 'good strategy'.
Posted by: will at July 13, 2005 07:46 AM (GzvlQ)
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Here's a link to the "fire" statements.
i did follow the links, since i have caught media matters distorting facts in the past. The links are solid. i guess the rest is up to your individual interpretation. The closest bush got to using the word "fire" was when he adopted that reporter's leading question:
"Q: And, and, do you stand by your pledge to fire anyone found to have done so?
BUSH: Yes. And that's up to the U.S. attorney to find the facts."
Kind of a tricky question, but Bush
could have dodged the question. Makes you think maybe that he didn't know about Rove, or there was someone else involved besides Rove. i have a hard time believing that Bush knew about Rove's conversation with Cooper, and thought he could keep it a secret. In this day and age, nothing stays secret, especially when members of the press are in the loop already.
Posted by: annika at July 13, 2005 07:50 AM (VFOog)
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Holy Crap - I love how the Right can always bend backward over its own heels and not even wince. Bush spoke about giving anyone caught the ax because it was already decided that what had happened with Plame was wrong. That was given. If it wasn't a big deal to name her then that would have come out, say, at the begining. No reporters would be in court asked to reveal sources - the president wouldn't have to answer questions about what he might do - there would have been No Issue.
We've been looking into it for all this time precisely because Something Wrong Was Done. Don't be so silly as to believe it when, more than a year later, this administration tries to tell you that it was never a big deal.
...sheesh.
Posted by: ~A at July 13, 2005 09:34 AM (/Sgom)
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And I find it obsurd at how willing the left is to forsake its own self professed ideals when it senses that it might be able to "get" someone from the otherside. I don't know who you are A, but clearly you are not paying much attention.
This whole chain was started by a member of the right who believes Rove should resign. Did you somehow miss that fact? Have you failed to notice the debate underway in rightwing circles about what Rove and the Whitehouse should do?
I find it very odd, because no such debate ocurred when Sandy Burger was crotching national security documents as if he was pilfering kielbasa from a convenience store. I also remember no calls for Dick Durbin's resignation when he publicly outed the existence of a secret U.S. espionage satelite system last year. None-the-less you feel compelled to come here and spout your hysterical, yet oddly uniformed outrage. Did Al Franken go to commercial?
The fact is that there is a lot that is not known at this time. Given the facts that have been made public, it is entirely possible that Rove should go to jail, although I doubt it. It is also quite possible that the leaker was not Rove, but nutty Joe Wilson himself. I ask you, would it not be best to wait for the facts, or should we just start throwing all of your political opponents in jail?
Do let us know, because it is important for us to figure out if you're against the principles of innocent until proven guilty, or just an idiot with a keyboard and an internet connection.
Posted by: Pursuit at July 13, 2005 10:13 AM (n/TNS)
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Bush's "fire" statement is being mischaracterized. It should fairly be read this way:
1) I will fire anyone who intentionally compromised the CIA for political purposes.
AND
2) I will fire anyone who has broken the law.
To read Bush's statement any other way is to either be mistaken, or to be willfully mischaracterizing.
Therefore, based on what we know to this point, Rove should stay. It would be an injustice for him to go.
Also, I DO NOT THINK the Repubs should back down to the Media bully and give Rove the boot. Truth is on the Republican side. They should punch the Media bully squarely in the nose, and as hard as they can, and they should make every attempt to hang on to their lunch money. The truth will out.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 13, 2005 10:41 AM (3Bn47)
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"The Right" was wrong (too general) and I was too quick to post my comment.
I didn't call for anyone's outing here. I didn't What I did was state that the president does not generally offer his position on a subject when there is no issue. This president, in fact, doesn't seem to feel compelled to offer much even when much of the country wishes he would. However, on this topic he did speak plainly and he obviously felt the matter was serious enough to take a position.
I'm not trying to rush anything along or "get" anyone; I was merely trying to point out that, although Christopher Cross suggested that there might not be any issue after all and Larry seems convinced that he's already got it all figured out, the President did speak on this issue, Scott McClellan did speak on this issue and now Rove seems to have doubled back on himself. I haven't attacked anyone but merely made an observation.
It's true that I was wrong to begin with "the Right" - I don't even associate myself with "the Left" per se. Frankly, "your team vs. my team" makes me ill. It seems the very thing that set you off was, in fact, the very thing that might have set me off but, please, reread what I wrote and see that, really, I didn't go as far as you want to make out. (hysterical? outrage? I'll give you "uppity", maybe.)
Now, I've only visited this page several times before and don't know how many here are regulars. I'm not trying to hijack the thread, site or whatever sense of family individuals here have for one another. I'm really not invested in "winning" anything here. I have respect for the page, the author of this page and her views. A couple of the comments here just really suprised me.
...really, I only popped in because annika referenced the comments at another site we both frequent.
(and re Franken: I haven't paid attention to him since SNL days. If you're upset that I generalised, "the Right", you might want to meditate on how easy it was for you to attack me as some member of "the Left".)
Posted by: ~A at July 13, 2005 10:57 AM (/Sgom)
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The presumption of guilt at the beginning doesn't fly Annie. The left yelled "fire" and everyone assumed from the beginning that something horrible happened. Fact is, Plame's employment was public information at the time (regardless of her past exploits) and for one to be "outed" one must be "in" to begin with. The law is very clear on that point and gives the exact number of days since the last covert action before it is efective. Plame's glory days in the agency were well behind her.
Bush's biggest mistake was biting on the hook that the left dangled out there in the first place - that a crime had actually been committed. A man of integrity, as I believe he is, has the option to say "I was wrong about the whole thing in the first place - no law was broken and no one's safety was jeopardized." No harm no foul.
Posted by: koond0g at July 13, 2005 11:12 AM (K6YUI)
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Annika, thanks so much for your thoughtful post on the whole thing. You know I generally try to stay away from politics on my own site, even though I frequent a lot of other sites with pretty active poliblogging components - both those I generally agree with, and those I do not. I was especially curious about this particular issue because of many of the things you posted. Although I disagree with Bush on many, many subjects, I believe him to be a man who is not afraid to take a strong stand (even when I disagree with all my heart and soul), and I believe him to be a man who generally keeps his word - and I'd like to see that here, too.
Posted by: Lorie at July 13, 2005 12:30 PM (PPPwU)
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't think Bush is losing much sleep over the Rove issue.
Oh, the PRESS is, to be sure. And it's making Scott McClellan into more of a milquetoast than he usually is.
But does anyone think that with two SCOTUS seats opening up, suicide bombings in london, and an ongoing war in Iraq, that this "scandal" will last beyond next week absent some bombshell revelation?
Please.
Posted by: Christopher Cross at July 13, 2005 12:58 PM (609fh)
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great post annie keep the discourse moving
Posted by: eric at July 13, 2005 01:15 PM (hiCir)
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I love it when people confuse the law and politics. No serious person is suggesting that Rove committed a crime. I don't think he even came close.
But he did the one thng that every political operative knows that he or she CANNOT do, he made himself the issue. I both like and admire Karl Rove, but as long as he remains in the White House he - and not the president's agenda - will be the issue. This is NOT an issue of "innocent until proven guilty", it's an issue of cleaning up a colossal political fuck up, pure and simple.
The longer Rove stays, the more he hurts. You think the White House will be able to confirm upwards of three Supreme Court nominees AND defend Rove at the same time? Therefore, the question conservatives need to ask themselves is, "What do you want more, Rove or the Court?"
And I can only imagine what everyone currently pissing on Annika's parade would say if the exact same set of circumstances happen during 1993-2001. An even slightly honest conservative would tell you that there would be unholy hell to be paid.
Posted by: skippystalin at July 13, 2005 03:29 PM (ruCNe)
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Re: "Skippy 'The Condescending' Stalin":
Based on currently known facts, Rove did not make himself the issue. Rove warned the Time reporter, Matthew Cooper, against printing an incorrect story. Rove was performing a good deed for Matthew Cooper and Time Magazine.
This is why I do not believe the Bush Administration should back down in the face of media speculation and hysteria. The hysteria is not based on anything Rove did wrong, but is based on the fact that Karl Rove continues to breathe air and advise President Bush. You do not fire someone for simply existing. God forbid Rove should help an old lady across the street. If he tried to save a woman in distress, as the California football player did last month, the press would call for Rove to be executed.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 13, 2005 03:53 PM (lu3H/)
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I love when people confuse their opinions with bad advice. Turn your statement around skippy. Do you really think the Dems will be able to fire away at Rove, Iraq and "upwards of three Supreme Court" nominees? No way, scandal fatigue will kill the public's interest. Clinton proved this over and over, by letting his enemies focus on the scandals while he focused on his agenda.
So, by your own admission Rove hasn't done anything wrong other than become the issue, a point I'm not ready to agree with, yet you'd through him to the wolves. This would do nothing but give the opposition momentum, and the opportunity to focus this momentum on their next victims.
This needs to play out. If Rove is guilty, he is on his own. If not, sacrificing him early in the game is not wise.
Posted by: Pursuit at July 13, 2005 04:12 PM (n/TNS)
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Sacrificing Rove now would deflate the current scandal immediately. The dems would be forced to find a new one, or go back to demanding their resignation du jour: Rice's Rumsfeld's etc. Scandal fatigue would still set in, if it hasn't already.
Listen, i wouldn't be favoring Rove's ouster if Bush hadn't made that promise. We already had eight years of Clinton's weaselly presidential behavior. i just don't want to see Bush vulnerable to that kind of criticism. Rove won't go to jail, he didn't commit a crime. But he's not needed anymore, and it would be so easy to pull the rug out from under this summer's scandal if he would just leave gracefully.
The supreme court fight is too important to have any distractions. And listen, the idea that if we give in on this one, it will only embolden the democrats and media to try this tactic again. That's crazy. What makes you think they need emboldening? This is what they do. Scandal mongering is their only mode of operation, since they have no actual positive ideas or agenda. Giving in on the Rove thing wont encourage them any more than they already are. And fighting on the Rove thing will do nothing to dissuade them from using the scandal tactic every chance they get.
Posted by: annika at July 13, 2005 04:56 PM (zAOEU)
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Since when has Rove NOT been part of the issue (at least within the fever swamp) or the key to every scandal pimped by the left against Bush?
Sacrificing Rove would do nothing to improve Bush's political chances re: SCOTUS. It'd only embolden Dems that they can defeat Bush at home. But if that's crazy because "this is what they do"--on what basis is canning Rove justified then?
But by referencing "scandal fatigue" you prove my point, there simply isn't enough to this story to give it legs beyond a week of breathless press conferences.
From
Posted by: Christopher Cross at July 13, 2005 05:07 PM (609fh)
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Annie,
I didn't say canning Rove would embolden them. I said it would allow them to sharpen their focus, and provide them with momentum in the sense that they would now have credibility with the large part of the public that doesn't pay attention.
Your point is well taken, and it is the conventional wisdom in this sort of situation. I'm suggesting that we allow them to feed on Rove while we execute our agenda. If Chris Cross is correct and this dies down, we can always distract them with a Bolton recess appointment.
Posted by: Pursuit at July 13, 2005 06:13 PM (n/TNS)
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As long as Rove is the topic du jour, it's sucking up Democrat outrage that will be needed by them to use against the SCOTUS candidates.
Let him linger. I don't see it hurting, MSM fury notwithstanding. And I for one am in no mood to feed the wolves anything. Time will still tell what, if anything, Rove did, and whether he really should leave the scene.
Posted by: Desert Cat at July 13, 2005 08:34 PM (xdX36)
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But, dammit-- where, in the midst of all this strife, is
Superman?
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 14, 2005 04:04 AM (1PcL3)
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I'll give you just three examples of how this works.
Example 1: Bert Lance, President Carter's first budget director was accused of a conflict of interest regarding his holdings in a Georgia bank. No charges were filed and no one was convicted of anything.
Example 2: John Sunnunu, the first President Bush's first Chief of Staff was accused of misusing government property (specifically military planes and helicopters.) No charges were filed and no one was convicted of anything.
Example 3: Dick Morris, President Clinton's senior political strategist in 1996 was accused by a tabloid of consorting with a prostitute. No charges were filed and no one was convicted of anything.
What do these three have in common? Their conduct, criminal or otherwise, had so distracted from the agenda of the presidents that they served that, sooner or later, all three were forced out. If said staffer went early (as Morris did), the political damage was minimal. In the cases of Lance and Sunnunu, they stuck around until the bitter end with harsh consequences for their presidents.
Rove knows how this works better than anyone. At a bare minimum he should take a leave of absence so as to take himself out of the spotlight because I assure you that the Democrats won't let this go so long as he remains in the White House. There's almost no chance that he'll be there six months from now. The only question is whether he leaves on his own or if he's forced out.
It is very telling just how quiet the senate Republicans are being on this matter. They're afraid of what this story can do.
This is a famously loyal president. But loyalty works both ways. Before this scandal impacts the president's agenda further, Rove should make a dignified exit now.
Posted by: skippystalin at July 14, 2005 06:01 AM (ruCNe)
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To Skippy Cocksure:
Lance, Sununu, Morris: Straw Men, every one. Not to mention that they actually DID TAKE IMMORAL/UNETHICAL/UNBECOMING ACTIONS WHILE SERVING THEIR PRESIDENTS. This is where the comparisons with Rove end. Rove's action was moral, ethical, and quite becoming. The more I type, the cuter and cuddlier Rove becomes!
This reminds of the guy who said "I never knew I wanted an AK-47 till my government told me I couldn't have one." For me, I never knew Rove was so cute and cuddly till I started defending him against misrepresentations and lies. At this point, he's practically a Care Bear.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 14, 2005 12:57 PM (3Bn47)
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gcotharn (If that is your REAL name...)
Firstly, thanks for the "cocksure" part, it makes me feel so much sexier than your earlier "condesending" sobriquet.
I LIKE Karl Rove. I always have and I always will. But this argument seems to have expanded from whether or not he did anything illegal to whether he did anything "IMMORAL/UNETHICAL/UNBECOMING." This is a shift that I'm sure that the Democrats will welcome hearing about. Once that happens, Rove is done.
The fact of the matter is that the media and Democrats aren't going to let this go. They smell blood in the water, and can you name me the LAST unelected official who survived a shitstorm like this? Just one would do.
I'm not saying that this is right or even fair. It is however, the way things are. Furthermore, think if this happened in the Clinton White House, your position would be very different. I give you the Travel Office scandal as just one example. And the White House Counsel took it in the neck for that.
Far from taking any pleasure in this, I wish that the President and McClellen didn't say half the things that they did. Now they're forced to twist themselves into Clinton-esque linguistic pretzels that not only make Bush look bad, but make Clinton look good because he was at least entertaining doing it.
I remain lovingly cocksure,
skippy
Posted by: skippystalin at July 14, 2005 03:37 PM (ruCNe)
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Skippy,
We probably ought to continue our now 2 person conversation off of Annika's bandwidth. I have reasoned and level-headed replies to your challenges ready and waiting, but cannot see how to contact you. If you will send your email address, maybe we can work this out amongst ourselves. You can reach me at:
gcotharn@yahoo.com
Posted by: gcotharn at July 14, 2005 04:40 PM (3Bn47)
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gcotharn,
I'm actually adressing this at my place. However, I tend to get generally vulgar there. I discuss things other than politics (although that consumes most of my time.) But I do opine on boobies and the pleasures of lesbianism and such.
Why? Because I'm versitile.
Posted by: skippystalin at July 14, 2005 06:06 PM (ruCNe)
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July 08, 2005
Where Is This Britain?
i wonder, where is the Britain celebrated in this poem by James Thomson and set to music in 1740 by Thomas Augustine Arne?
Rule Britannia!
When Britain first at Heav'n's command, Arose from out the azure main;
This was the charter of the land, And guardian angels sang this strain;
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves; Britons never never never shall be slaves!
The nations not so blest as thee, Shall in their turns to tyrants fall;
While thou shalt flourish great and free, The dread and envy of them all.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves; Britons never never never shall be slaves!
Still more majestic shalt thou rise, More dreadful from each foreign stroke;
As the loud blast that tears the skies, Serves but to root thy native oak.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves; Britons never never never shall be slaves!
Thee haughty tyrants ne'er shall tame, All their attempts to bend thee down;
Will but arouse thy generous flame, But work their woe, and thy renown.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves; Britons never never never shall be slaves!
To thee belongs the rural reign, Thy cities shall with commerce shine;
All thine shall be the subject main, And every shore it circles thine.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves; Britons never never never shall be slaves!
The Muses, still with freedom found, Shall to thy happy coast repair;
Blest Isle! With matchless beauty crowned, And manly hearts to guide the fair.
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves; Britons never never never shall be slaves!
i hate to rain on everybody's parade, but i don't see that kind of fighting spirit when i look at today's Britain. What i see is a bunch of effete multiculturalist apologists. And a "blame Bush and Blair before the terrorists" attitude that will only get more people killed.
This We're not Afraid! site, which everybody's linking to, is great but you know... so what? i think the problem with Europe in general is that they haven't developed a healthy enough fear of the enemy in their very midst. And courage without action is not courage at all. Britain, i fear, is paralyzed by their own liberalism. They don't get it.
Check this firsthand report of Londoners' opinions by Charmaine Yoest at Reasoned Audacity.
'It's Tony Blair's fault! They've killed 100,000 people [repeating the now discredited Lancet statistic] it's like a boomerang.' Later she repeated this, talking about 'killing innocent people' and 'invading other peoples' country . . .'
When we asked her the question about the calm, she shrugged too. 'We're used to it,' she replied. 'Americans get patriotic over anything silly.'
9/11 was silly? What can i say? i know that was one ignorant person's reaction, but it's so typical of what i hear all the time from people. Invading other people's countries is the cause of terrorism? That idea has been debunked so many times that it's almost useless to keep trying. People have a choice about where they get their information and whom they can choose to believe. It seems that in England, and in Europe in general, they consistently choose wrong.
So to my original question. What happened to that Britain that will never never never be enslaved? Maybe it's still there, below the BBC-ified surface. i knew a Brit in undergrad, a huge Celtic fan, who loved to sing the chorus of Rule Britannia at the top of his lungs when he got a few Guinesses in him. i don't know whatever happened to that guy, but i'd bet he be as pro-kicking ass as Christopher Hitchens was on the Ron Reagan show today.
A poster at the We're not Afraid! site quoted a recent movie with its own anti-Bush/Blair undertones:
The irony is too obvious to pass up. As most of you remember, in The Empire Strikes Back, Yoda also said
"You will be..."
You will be afraid, Britain, if you don't stop working against this "War On Terror." If you don't stop blaming Bush and Blair for the actions of murdering criminals. If you don't demand truth from the BBC. If you decide to emulate the Spanish, who by the way, will be attacked again. (OBL himself has said that he wants Andalusia back. Don't think he's forgotten about Spain.)
And look, memo to the rest of Europe: You're all targets. If you don't like the way we're doing things, if you think we've been sidetracked by Iraq and we should be concentrating on Afghanistan, nobody is stopping you from going over there and taking care of the problem yourself. You all got armies don't you? Go get OBL. He's your problem too. Or is it all you can do to criticize Bush and Blair, who at least are trying to do something?
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Sad but true. Terrorism wouldnt exist without frree societies and their freedom to hear both sides. Then there is ignorance in free societies......God help us all!!!!
Posted by: Jef at July 08, 2005 09:28 PM (jmNFB)
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I think part of the problem in perceiving where the Britain you're talking about has "gone" is the disconnect between London and most of the rest of the country: someone once said it's as if the political, economic, media and cultural capital of the US was in San Francisco.
Now, maybe I'm overly optimistic because most of the people I spent time with when I was there were pretty hard-core activist Tories (go figure, since I worked at Conservative Central Office), but the UK remains a fundamentally "small c" conservative country in most ways, even and perhaps to some extent even more so in those areas with tribal loyalty to the Labour Party. Worry about the British government? Probably fairly justified. Worry about the British people? I think far less so.
Posted by: Dave J at July 09, 2005 01:27 PM (CYpG7)
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I was stationed in England for two years or at least that is where we were based out of we actually went all over. One of the things we often did was train with the British Royal Marines. I found them to a man to be the best type of Marines to serve with and I always wondered where they came from? Because I didn't meet that type of person when we would go out and meet regular folks in London. It's like they took every person with a spine and put them in the military. It was the same with the Welsh units we trained with in Dartmoor. But rest assured if the guys I served with are still over there then they and their friends are not spineless whiners. They are able ass-kickers. Because I didn't get to meet a large segment of the population it will be very interesting to me to watch what the British do in coming weeks. Because it will once and for all answer the question are there more folks in Britian like I met in their military or are their more like the ones at met at pubs in London? However it pans out given the support their govt. gave ours in the Iraq war I feel we should basically hand them a blank check and say here use this to kill every last one of the guys who planted the bombs and if you need more just ask.
Posted by: Andy at July 09, 2005 06:57 PM (l04c2)
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annika a few points:
1) England (and Russia) did more for freedom than america ever did, they fought world war two remember, Americans mainly sold them weapons and made a shitload of money. I don't have a problem with this, but you make it sound like america is the last bastion of freedom and true media when really americans are just serving their self interest, like they always have.
2)"but it's so typical of what i hear all the time from people. Invading other people's countries is the cause of terrorism? "
WTF? Invading other peoples countries may not be the priciple cause of terrorism but it surely doesn't help our cause. My god, do you still think we invaded iraq in the name of freedom?
3)Your Yoda quote is out of context and you have mangled the meaning beautifully. Please watch episodes III to VI again.
4) I agree that freedom and democracy would probably stop terror if installed in the middle east. However america has misidentified the problem.
Cosider the history of the middle east, first britian redistributes the land with little thought to prosperity. Then you have the US going in and installing dictators, supporting both sides and then we invade to remove dictators. Personally if someone did this to my native country I would want to blow up the fuckers.
America is trying to fast forward the middle east to a ideaology that took the western world hundreds of years to develop and wonder why it doesn't catch on. We should just leave them alone, however we don't because we need their oil. That my friend is the only reason why we care about the middle east, our economy will instantly collapse without oil. Freedom... bah what bullshit.
Posted by: Ivan at July 10, 2005 07:15 PM (GpcqB)
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Ivan, i and other bloggers much more articulate than me have been refuting those arguments for almost four years now. At this point, all i can say is i'm glad you guys are not in charge. i believe you are sincere, but thank God you're not in charge.
Posted by: annika at July 10, 2005 07:57 PM (1jbos)
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Haha but I would be a benovolent dictator.
Isn't this the problem of the current administration, they don't listen to experts at all unless they find some that agree with them. Global Warming, Weapons of Mass Destruction, Renewable Energy and Third World Debt; they know the best. Our respective government stances coincide with the interests of firstly big money and then the majority of voters. Current conservatives consistently ignore the scientific method if it interferes with their quest for wealth and power.
I have never seen an argument that would suggest our economy is not completely dependent on oil. Our action in the middle east follows on from this, it is that simple. Arguments of freedom and democracy are even more tired.
I seriously used to think that the US was out to protect the free world but the more I read about our long history of conquest I realise that we are just on the winning side and are no better (morally) than the Romans or Mongols. We are only looking out for ourselves. Altruistic ideals and justifications are perpetrated soley to keep us believing we are good and true, you want to believe this too.
Posted by: Ivan at July 10, 2005 11:16 PM (GpcqB)
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"England (and Russia) did more for freedom than america ever did, they fought world war two remember,"
World War 2 started in 1939, and we entered the war in 1941 as did the Soviets. Before we entered the war, the Brits were primarily on the defensive. If we never entered the war, the Soviets would have been defeated by a Nazi-Japanese pincer invasion(or a sex sandwich). However, the Japanese never declared war on the USSR because they were more worried about the can of worms they opened with us. Fear of an American invasion also tied up a quarter of the German military on the Western front instead of allowing the Nazis to use them on the Eastern front.
America is just a footnote in the victory over the Axis? Me thinks not.
"Russia did more for freedom than america ever did,"
Bullshit. Did you forget about Stalin before, during, and after the war? Did you forget about the Iron Curtain? Did you forget the American Berlin Airlift during the Soviet blockade?
"Freedom... bah what bullshit."
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2003/0304.marshall.html
I share the following conclusions from the above link:
["In their view, invasion of Iraq was not merely, or even primarily, about getting rid of Saddam Hussein. Nor was it really about weapons of mass destruction, though their elimination was an important benefit. Rather, the administration sees the invasion as only the first move in a wider effort to reorder the power structure of the entire Middle East. . . .
In short, the administration is trying to roll the table--to use U.S. military force, or the threat of it, to reform or topple virtually every regime in the region, from foes like Syria to friends like Egypt, on the theory that it is the undemocratic nature of these regimes that ultimately breeds terrorism."
"Unable to overthrow their own authoritarian rulers, the citizenry turns its fury against the foreign power that funds and supports these corrupt regimes to maintain stability and access to oil: the United States."
"Trying to 'manage' this dysfunctional Islamic world, as Clinton attempted and Colin Powell counsels us to do, is as foolish, unproductive, and dangerous as détente was with the Soviets, the hawks believe."
"The hawks' grand plan differs depending on whom you speak to, but the basic outline runs like this: The United States establishes a reasonably democratic, pro-Western government in Iraq--assume it falls somewhere between Turkey and Jordan on the spectrum of democracy and the rule of law. Not perfect, representative democracy, certainly, but a system infinitely preferable to Saddam's. The example of a democratic Iraq will radically change the political dynamics of the Middle East. When Palestinians see average Iraqis beginning to enjoy real freedom and economic opportunity, they'll want the same themselves. With that happy prospect on one hand and implacable United States will on the other, they'll demand that the Palestinian Authority reform politically and negotiate with Israel. That in turn will lead to a real peace deal between the Israelis and Palestinians. A democratic Iraq will also hasten the fall of the fundamentalist Shi'a mullahs in Iran, whose citizens are gradually adopting anti-fanatic, pro-Western sympathies. A democratized Iran would create a string of democratic, pro-Western governments (Turkey, Iraq, and Iran) stretching across the historical heartland of Islam. Without a hostile Iraq towering over it, Jordan's pro-Western Hashemite monarchy would likely come into full bloom. Syria would be no more than a pale reminder of the bad old days. (If they made trouble, a U.S. invasion would take care of them, too.) And to the tiny Gulf emirates making hesitant steps toward democratization, the corrupt regimes of Saudi Arabia and Egypt would no longer look like examples of stability and strength in a benighted region, but holdouts against the democratic tide. Once the dust settles, we could decide whether to ignore them as harmless throwbacks to the bad old days or deal with them, too. We'd be in a much stronger position to do so since we'd no longer require their friendship to help us manage ugly regimes in Iraq, Iran, and Syria.
The audacious nature of the neocons' plan makes it easy to criticize but strangely difficult to dismiss outright. Like a character in a bad made-for-TV thriller from the 1970s, you can hear yourself saying, 'That plan's just crazy enough to work.'"]
Posted by: reagan80 at July 11, 2005 08:47 AM (9Ki+8)
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"Altruistic ideals and justifications are perpetrated soley to keep us believing we are good and true, you want to believe this too."
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2005/02/power-of-displeasure.html
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/dprk/dprk-dark.htm
With such examples like the ones above, it is easy to believe that the US is altruistic.
Don't forget about Bosnia, Lebanon, Kosovo, South Korea, South Vietnam, and Taiwan. I don't believe any of those places have oil or furthered any other "selfish economic interests".
If China ever invades Taiwan, I'm sure we'd sacrifice our corporate interests on Chinese soil and American lives to defend the Taiwanese from the totalitarians across the straits.
Posted by: reagan80 at July 11, 2005 10:04 AM (9Ki+8)
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Like you said America entered the war after pearl harbour in 1941 the war started 2 years before, it is good at least that America was part of an embargo that probably caused the attack. Who knows what would have happened? Russia was using china to protect it's southern borders as well, I am not discounting the importance of the US entry into the war however the chinese had been fighting the japanese since 1937, partially funded by the soviets. The american entry into the war seems forced, the importance of that entry is undeniable.
I am fully aware of how weird it is to say Russia and freedom in the same sentence however they half defeated the nazis, europe would be fucked without the Russians who made a huge human sacrifice.
The point is that England does not need to be preached to by Americans as they have faced the worst possible scenario on their home soil.
Wow that Washington Monthly piece has so many unsubstatiated hopes in it that I don't know where to start. Don't you remember how the iraqi's themselves were going to remove saddam after the gulf war. Is democracy some kind of magic? Is it worth killing people for democracy, especially when there is absolutely no guarantee that it is going to work? The audacity of the plan is not proportional to the likelyhood of it working.
"The United States establishes a reasonably democratic, pro-Western government in Iraq"
Perhaps the plan is fucked right here but we can continue on.
"When Palestinians see average Iraqis beginning to enjoy real freedom and economic opportunity, they'll want the same themselves."
It sounds beautiful. I hate the PLA too, but I don't see why Iraq is going to make the difference. The problem is foobared leadership in palestine not the lack of democracy in iraq, there are better ways to approach this problem. This whole plan hinges on people looking over at iraq and deciding it is worth getting slaughtered by government troops in order to get a bit of democracy.
"Jordan's pro-Western Hashemite monarchy would likely come into full bloom."
oh so now monarchies are ok as long as they are pro-western. I think you have found the whole point of this plan, not middle east prosperity but pro-western goverments.
"Syria would be no more than a pale reminder of the bad old days. (If they made trouble, a U.S. invasion would take care of them, too.)"
Yep once again if they make pro-western troubles, we'll invade the bastards.
The really interesting part is that newly established governments are going to be pro-Western, this would only happen if we managed to install a puppet government, a truely democratic government would not be pro western and certainly not pro US. Man it's such bullshit to say we planned this chaos we're doing it for the good of the region, it's not for the good of the region, the article text doesn't even pretend that, it's for the good of the US. It's also such bullshit to say that neocon policies were a driving factor in the collapse of the soviet union, it happened to turn out nicely becuse the soviet union screwed themselves.
How about this for a plan, we didn't invade iraq, we actually provide support to the non-extremist politicians in Iran rather than declaring them the axis of evil. We don't fight any wars and reduce our dependence on oil. The amount of money spent on Iraq could be spent within america. The problem with this plan? America would lose their influence in the middle east and the massive miltitary and military industries would go unused, we can't let that happen. America must maintain our position as the only world superpower and most of all America must work alone.
Bosnia, Lebanon, Kosovo - sorry I don't know enough about these conflicts or the US governments in power when they happened.
South Korea and South Vietnam - Cold War, certainly not altruistic, maybe good maybe bad.
Taiwan - Taiwan is of strategic importance against the commie bastards, it is most certainly not altruistic. Corporate interest in china? I think you will find China is making a shitload more money out of America rather than vice versa. American companies in China have been largely unsucessful in the corruption ridden environment.
I think the final paragraph from the article really sums it up better:
"Ending Saddam Hussein's regime and replacing it with something stable and democratic was always going to be a difficult task, even with the most able leadership and the broadest coalition. But doing it as the Bush administration now intends is something like going outside and giving a few good whacks to a hornets' nest because you want to get them out in the open and have it out with them once and for all. Ridding the world of Islamic terrorism by rooting out its ultimate sources-- Muslim fundamentalism and the Arab world's endemic despotism, corruption, and poverty--might work. But the costs will be immense. Whether the danger is sufficient and the costs worth incurring would make for an interesting public debate. The problem is that once it's just us and the hornets, we really won't have any choice."
Choice quotes-- "it might work"
and -- "the costs will be immense"
I guess the debate is the one we are having now.
Fuck it's crazy I tell you, but I love this blog and ones like it for the chance to talk to the crazies that believe it, thanks for the reply.
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Hitchens vs. Little Ronnie
i think i love
Christopher Hitchens.
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Just a note to warn you before you throw your life away chasing Christopher Hitchens.
He is a sterling beacon of democracy when talking about terrorism but he is a miserable jerk the rest of the time.
Posted by: Jake at July 08, 2005 05:51 PM (r/5D/)
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When Reagan died, Hitchens practically pissed on his grave with his column at the time. The same goes for the Pope John Paul's and Mother Teresa's funerals.
I love what he has done as a staunch proponent of the War on Terror, but that bastard is still on my shitlist.
Posted by: reagan80 at July 08, 2005 07:02 PM (M/gEC)
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Hitch has his flaws, but he's a marvelous phrase turner.
Posted by: Casca at July 08, 2005 07:13 PM (qBTBH)
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Met him in Berkeley a few years back. I'll tell him to give you a ring, but better have extra smokes and scotch.
Posted by: d-rod at July 08, 2005 08:50 PM (ayHCF)
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He is useful in this war on terror, but lets not forget the real reason he is against the Jihadists. It is because his life is filled with rage and hate against all religion. If he had his way there would be a nice big reeducation camp for christians and orthodox jews as well.
Lefties dont usualy change their spots.
Posted by: Kyle at July 09, 2005 01:59 PM (7Re84)
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Kyle, perhaps Christopher and brother Peter need to be "re-integrated" into one Hitchens...OTOH, since their positions appear to be diametrically opposite on every issue, I suppose it could be like bringing matter and antimatter together.
Gets one to wondering which one is the Evil Spock, since they seem to trade the beard back and forth.
Posted by: Dave J at July 09, 2005 04:34 PM (CYpG7)
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Hitchens was quite repulsive when Reagan died.
Nonetheless, he can land a verbal pimp slap like few journalists can. It's nice to see Ron on the end of it.
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It is because his life is filled with rage and hate against all religion. - Kyle
Uhhh, I think that's a little simplistic. Criticism shouldn't be confused with hate when it is well reasoned. Some acts attributed to God in the so-called Holy Scriptures are just downright evil. Hitch is able to make tough valid arguments based on facts and history whether we always agree with him or not.
Posted by: d-rod at July 10, 2005 08:08 AM (LIdI+)
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With all due respect, I stand by what I wrote. I have read enough of his stuff to see the hatred that boils there. He might not even be aware of how much he hates, but he does, alot.
if you dont believe me reread his obituary of Mother Theresa
Posted by: Kyle at July 10, 2005 10:52 AM (7Re84)
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Sure, I was going to mention the Mother Theresa thing was rather mean-spirited and over the top. I believe he wrote about her while she was still alive or maybe I missed the "obituary". He wrote a compelling argument about JFK's assassination too, which I thought fascinating at the time but now think dead wrong. I'm not sure the wrath he has for Henry Kissinger is deserved, but it's Hitch's pit bull style that I respect.
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Let Me Put On My Leftie Hat For A Second...
Why should we care about what happened in London? Or in Madrid, for that matter? Those terrorists had nothing to do with 9/11. And remember, Great Britain was at one time very bad bad bad, back when they were an empire. A Brit invented the internal combustion engine, remember? Okay, so it was a Swiss guy, but still, they drive on the wrong side of the road. And they have -- gasp --
a national religion! And it's a Christian religion too! Bad bad bad people. Which reminds me, the English were big in the Crusades, weren't they? Okay so there. They deserved it. Plus, Halliburton sounds like an English name to me. Richard Burton was English wasn't he? Welsh? Really? Whatever.
Plus, assuming that the bomb making materials were purchased in British shops, then we should always remember that the British armed those terrorists! And of course, capturing the terrorists who are responsible and putting them in jail might be used as a recruiting tool by other terrorists. Therefore if we go after them, we could end up creating more terrorists!
Anyways, why should we care? The U.N. is on the case now and they will take care of everything. Don't worry. The all-powerful U.N. and their fearless leader Kofi Annan, is on the case! Three cheers for the U.N.!
Just hours after a series of explosions in London, the U.N. Security Council voted unanimously Thursday to condemn the terrorist attacks and vowed to bring those responsible to justice.
Secretary-General Kofi Annan echoed that sentiment.
'These vicious acts have cut us all to the core, for they are an attack on humanity itself,' Annan said in a statement. 'Today, the world stands shoulder to shoulder with the British people.'
A resolution approved by the council condemned 'without reservation the terrorist attacks in London . . .
Hold on just a second. "Without reservation." "Without reservation?"
"WITHOUT reservation!" i feel so much better now that the U.N. has decided to withhold reservation from their condemnation. That was a close one. i can't imagine what kind of trouble we'd be in if they had condemned the bombings
with reservation. Whew!
. . . and regards any act of terrorism as a threat to peace and security.' It urged all states to cooperate in finding and bringing to justice the perpetrators and expressed the council's 'utmost determination to combat terrorism.'
Heh... they said the word combat. i wonder what "combat" means when the U.N. says it. Might it mean "hope the U.S. does something, so we can go on counting our money in peace?"
[Oops, sorry, i guess my liberal hat fell off there for a second.]
Yay U.N.!
i am also pleased to hear that the great and powerful U.N. has also condemned "in the strongest possible terms" the assassination of the Egyptian ambassador to Iraq. Wow, those boys over at the U.N. have been keeping busy. But that's what they're there for, and i for one am so glad that we can look to the U.N. for this sort of protection whenever terrorists strike.
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The UN and its worshippers have shown very, very little concern about the terrorist murders of Israelis over the past decades. Their implied tolerance of terrorism--"it's OK if you only do it to Jews"--has unleashed a monster that will be very difficult to destroy and led directly to the atrocity in London.
Posted by: David Foster at July 08, 2005 04:16 PM (7TmYw)
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The last time Kofi used the phrase "without reservations" was when he showed up to Le Cirque without calling ahead. Except that time, he meant it.
Posted by: Trevor at July 08, 2005 04:25 PM (GtBBB)
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when i put my lefty hat on, i agree with michael moore on one thing.
we americans are stooopid.
we don't have the slightest idea what it is to live under a tyrant.
we don't have the slightest idea what the fight for liberty is about.
it didn't just happen two hundred years ago so let's live the life of milk and honey. that's crap.
the struggle for liberty continues every friggin day/night.
there are quotes chiseled into the walls of the capitol walls that are meant to inspire.
the words that are a religion to me are, "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance".
the people of the usa are on an eight hour day.
we are so stooopid we don't have any comprehension of what a true struggle is.
and the people who are trying to prevent what is coming to this country are being vilified.
Posted by: louielouie at July 08, 2005 04:45 PM (xKfMm)
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Hmm a lefty hat.....where do i get one?
I'm dying to know what if feels like to be that weird and not know it!
Posted by: jeff at July 08, 2005 09:24 PM (jmNFB)
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Thats hilarious. I am going to send it out as an email to friends (dont worry you will get full credit).
Posted by: Kyle at July 09, 2005 02:01 PM (7Re84)
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Nothing is more intimidating, nothing else can correct murderous behavior, like a a strongly worded letter from the United Nations.
Posted by: Mark at July 10, 2005 03:02 AM (WwHq8)
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A nice try, but...
Oh dear. Satire is so hard, isnÂ’t it?
‘Those terrorists had nothing to do with 9/11.’
Well, um, thatÂ’s right, actually. It had nothing to do with 9/11. Your very leaders have stated as such. WhatÂ’s the matter? you donÂ’t believe them? Shame on you.
But you see, when attempting satire its best to pick a topic which the target of the joke believes to be true, not that really is true, as the gag will quickly become,well, a sentence.
Let me demonstrate (excuse me while I don my ‘Righty’ cloak)
‘...and the next thing we know, George Bush will be choking on a pretzel!’
Not quite the barrel of laughs it could have been because, dear reader, he really did (or is that a ‘conspiracy theory’ too?).
‘And remember, Great Britain was at one time very bad bad bad, back when they were an empire.’
Again, very true. Well done.
‘A Brit invented the internal combustion engine, remember? Okay, so it was a Swiss guy, but still, they drive on the wrong side of the road.’
Ha ha. Who said the right canÂ’t do comedy? You guys are a scream. No, really. Combustion engine? Wow! And so...germane..
‘And they have -- gasp -- a national religion! And it's a Christian religion too!'
Well, nearly. They are Anglicans, Ecumenicals, which means that they kinda sorta believe in the bible but only in the vaguest of allegorical senses. But still, we know all strains of Christianity are exactly the same, just like Muslimism (and forgive me for asking but, in your not-so-humble opinion, is ––gasp––national religion a good thing or a bad thing?).
‘Bad bad bad people. Which reminds me, the English were big in the Crusades, weren't they? Okay so there. ‘
There you go again. Comedy is about tension and release, but here you have no tension because the English were, indeed, big in the Crusades. Not a joke but a statement of fact. And as the Muslims were on the receiving end of said Crusades they still bear a grudge. ‘Oh get over it’ I hear you cry, move on’, and fair enough.
Until you guys start bleating about the sanctity of the US constitution (now thereÂ’s satire!) and the glorious 4th of July and PilgrimÂ’s day etc etc, and then maybe the Crusades werenÂ’t that long ago at all.
‘They deserved it. Plus, Halliburton sounds like an English name to me. Richard Burton was English wasn't he? Welsh? Really? Whatever.’
Funny. I mean that.
'Plus, assuming that the bomb making materials were purchased in British shops, then we should always remember that the British armed those terrorists!'
This is good. In your desperation to get one over on the dreaded lefties you manage to actually lampoon your hero of heroes Ronnie Reagan except, of course, that the ‘terrorist’ that Ronnie armed was his and Donnie’s very good friend Saddam and that it is not ‘assumed’ that this is what happened – it’s in the Library Of Congress, folks!
'And of course, capturing the terrorists who are responsible and putting them in jail might be used as a recruiting tool by other terrorists. Therefore if we go after them, we could end up creating more terrorists!'
Yeah, you’re right. Probably better to flatten an extraneous sovereign state and then invade another. That’ll learn ‘em!
(See that? That was sarcasm. You might like to try it some day. Good luck!)
'Anyways, why should we care? The U.N. is on the case now and they will take care of everything. Don't worry. The all-powerful U.N. and their fearless leader Kofi Annan, is on the case! Three cheers for the U.N.!'
Three cheers indeed! The U.N. could be ‘all powerful’ if the USA wished it to be, which it does on occasion. But how can you base the decision to invade a sovereign state on the fact that said state ‘violated’ U.N. Resolution number whatever when you hold the U.N. to be immaterial?
Anyhoo, once Bush and his courageous buddies have got thier jollies in Iraq, the U.N. will come in to save the day. The USA cannot stay there forever – they can’t afford it. Still, it’s nice to know that you care so much for the immortal souls of our Muslim cousins that you are prepared to bankrupt the USA in order to save them.
‘Heh... they said the word combat. i wonder what "combat" means when the U.N. says it.’
Thankfully, not what you mean.
‘Might it mean "hope the U.S. does something, so we can go on counting our money in peace?"’
Hmmm. How many billions does the USA owe the UN in unpaid dues again? Or maybe it means “hope we can get some aid and diplomacy up and running before those blundering yanks start stomping all over the place and blowing up whomever they happen to be mad at this week”
[Oops, sorry, i guess my liberal conservative hat fell off there for a second.]
'i am also pleased to hear that the great and powerful U.N. has also condemned "in the strongest possible terms" the assassination of the Egyptian ambassador to Iraq. Wow, those boys over at the U.N. have been keeping busy. But that's what they're there for, and i for one am so glad that we can look to the U.N. for this sort of protection whenever terrorists strike'
Q. I say, I say, I say!WhatÂ’s the difference between Isreal and Iraq?
A. Iraq only ignored one UN resolution!
A. !5 years of US military funding!
A. Oil!
A. WMD!
A. Religion!
I could continue, but sometimes satire is trumped by reality.
(For a definition of the word ‘reality’ please consult nearest welfare recipient. Or citizen of Iraq.)
Cheers
Elroy
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"Vade post me Satana scandalum es mihi quia non sapis ea quae Dei sunt sed ea quae hominum."
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I love it when you speak Swedish.
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England will save herself by her exertions, and Europe by her example.―William Pitt
i am well familiar with two of the tube stops that were blown up today. When i studied in London i often did research at the Institute of Advanced Legal Studies, located at Russell Square. Some good friends of mine rented a flat only a block or two from the Edgeware Road station. When my parents came to visit me for a week, they stayed in a hotel by the Edgeware Road stop.
When i lived in London, i used the tube so much that i was unable to get around on the surface. i knew directions only by looking at the tube map. i lived in the West End (this was my flat) and took either the District Line or the Picadilly Line twice a day. Although there was still some residual danger of IRA terrorism, i never encountered any problems. i think there was only one bombing while i was there, and i doubt anyone was killed. Interestingly enough, if i'm not mistaken, i think it occurred up by Edgware Road, too.
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During the first London Blitz of August 1940 to May 1941 over 43,000 civilians died and 139,000 were injured. The picture below was taken on December 29, 1940, at the height of the blitz. During the V-weapon blitzes of 1944, about 8800 civilians died. One might think that the British people will be strong now, as they were during WWII. But they were united then, and now i'm not so sure. They have a sense that this is America's war, and seem to forget that we once thought of WWII was their war. Until we fought side-by-side with them to victory.
Almost sixty-five years ago to the day, Winston Churchill said these words:
We await undismayed the impending assault. Perhaps it will never come. We must show ourselves equally capable of meeting a sudden violent shock or what is perhaps a harder task, a prolonged vigil. But be the ordeal sharp or long, or both, we shall seek no terms, we shall tolerate no parley, we may show mercy--we ask none.
Britain stopped Hitler's invasion, Operation Sea Lion. That fight was comparatively easy, when you consider that today's invaders are already inside Britain and there are no uniforms to know them by. They got there through the EC's open borders. And their presence is protected by political correctness.
Much as i love Tony Blair, i wonder if he could ever show the same toughness as Churchill. The terrorists are calling this World War III. When will we? When our president said "Bring 'em on," he was pilloried. Yet he spoke the only language tyrants and would-be tyrants understand.
Britain was once a great empire. They bowed to no one. (Except when they fought us.) Now what are they? Half the country embraces moral relativism, but in the pubs, you still can hear the voice of the working class. They're anti-Europe, proud of their heritage as well as their football teams, and i'll bet they're pissed tonight. (In the American sense of the word, if not the British.) Britain's soul is in a state of flux, and i hope the side that understands the epigram i chose for this post will win out. Perhaps today's attack will wake them up.
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i woke up to the news of the bombings on the radio, and immediately switched on CNN, who i believe is still the best at covering breaking news, especially international. However, after i criticized Fox News only a few days ago, i have to say that Fox's coverage was superior, at least this morning. That's probably because they relied on a feed from Sky News.
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i'm so exasperated by the left that i don't even have the stomach to read about their predictably defeatist attitude toward these attacks. i don't have the energy to rant about them right now. It should suffice to say that the only acceptable reaction to the bombings is, i believe, anger. The only acceptable response is to seek vengeance on those responsible and their sympathizers. i believe the time for a measured and proportionate response is long past, if it ever existed.
Michael Savage, whom i dislike by the way, did have an interesting opening to his show today. He played audio from a jihadist "rally" that took place in London only two months ago. The crowd was led in various chants that were chillingly prescient. "Death to America." "Death to Tony Blair." "George Bush you will die." etc. etc. etc. This was another unheeded warning. Unheeded because of political correctness.
It seems to me that if our enemy is bold enough to profess their wish to kill us openly, and we do nothing about it, we should not be surprised when they do kill large numbers of us. Savage is an extremist and he gives conservatives a bad name, but when he predicts that the day is coming when all European Muslims will be rounded up and interned, i wonder if he's right. Or, if he's not right, i wonder if he should be right.
And how could such a disturbing pogrom be averted? Not by pulling troops out of the Middle East. Not by abandoning Israel to the wolves. No, not even by signing the Kyoto treaty. It can only be averted by creating Democracy in the center of the storm. A stable and democratic Iraq is the best hope for the survival of Western Civilization.
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One other London observation just came to mind. When i was there, i never understood the romantic fascination a lot of people had with "arab men." Especially the British women. They talked about them like we sometimes do about latin men over here, like they were these incredible lovers. More than once in a pub, i heard stories about rich arab men who came in and offered women like a million dollars to go back to Saudi Arabia to be one of their wives. i didn't get it. Chicks talked about it like they almost wished it would happen to them. The thought disgusts me.
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Nicely said, Annika.
Wee Kim Wee, former president of Singapore said that Al QaidaÂ’s reason for attacking us is to get us out of the Middle East.
Once we are gone from the Middle East Al Qaida will establish a Taliban-type country that encompasses all the oil-producing nations of that region.
That Taliban nation will then cut off the oil supply to the Western World. Millions of us will die starvation as there will be no way to transport food to the people.
Wee Kim Wee says that the Western World cannot rest until every member of Al Qaida is dead. I agree.
Posted by: Jake at July 07, 2005 05:11 PM (r/5D/)
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I wrote on my blog that my shock and pain over London is rapidly dissipating. I am resolved to point - as often as it takes - to the root cause of this atrocity:
from Den Beste:
"The root cause (is) Arab frustration caused by Arab failure...
[...]
They fail because their culture is diseased...."
Repeat it as often as you possibly can. The West must awaken.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 07, 2005 05:28 PM (lu3H/)
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They hate the West because they keep losing to the West. They've been losing to us since the 1400's and they're sick of it.
The left's answer is to let them win this one.
Our answer is to get them to join the winning side.
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Posted by: Radical Redneck at July 07, 2005 07:23 PM (Hn8NG)
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i heard stories about rich arab men who came in and offered women like a million dollars to go back to Saudi Arabia to be one of their wives. i didn't get it. Chicks talked about it like they almost wished it would happen to them.
C'mon Annie, you could be his first
two-legger!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at July 07, 2005 07:31 PM (Hn8NG)
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These guys aren't even in the same league as the Nazis, Annie. They're openly present in the U.K. but it's taken them, what, 3 & 1/2 years to kill 40 people? Buncha fuckin' incompetent asswipes. (Not that I'm complaining.) My money's on the Brits.
And I sure hope I'm right.
Posted by: Matt at July 07, 2005 07:49 PM (c6w6p)
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Meanwhile we have more G-Bay self-flagellation:
Washington Times:
Belgian Lawmaker Urges Gitmo Be Shuttered
"We recommend terminating the Guantanamo detention facility," said the report's author, Anne Marie Lizin, who is also the Socialist president of the Belgian Senate.
She said keeping the camp open was damaging the reputation of the United States and causing the
"radicalization" of detainees.
The 55-nation trans-Atlantic security organization has not acted on the study, which Lizin said followed interviews with senior officials at the Pentagon, members of the U.S. Congress, and others who have access to the prisoners at the camp.
"The longer the detention is in the camps the more hatred against the U.S. and the West becomes anchored in hearts and minds," said Lizin.
Great idea Comrade Lizin! The terrorists in Guantanamo
also recommend closing of Guantanamo (so they can resume bombing civilians, like those in London today).
Posted by: Mark at July 07, 2005 09:45 PM (f+u7a)
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amazing how the left's usual response is to always capitulate - well i don't think that those that died did so in vain. remembering world war two all the terrorist accomplished is to rile the old english bull dog. someone is gonna get bit in their arse! and the dog won't let go!!!
Posted by: bill at July 08, 2005 01:23 AM (9jgTw)
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Bill:
One wonders if the London bombing would have taken place if Spain had stood up to the Al Qaida after their bombing?
Posted by: Jake at July 08, 2005 07:57 AM (r/5D/)
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Jake, great point. Spain not only did not "stand up to" al Qaida, they elected a socialist government with a so-called leader who vowed to remove (and eventually did remove) all Spanish military from of Iraq.
Posted by: Mark at July 08, 2005 08:37 AM (Vg0tt)
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It won't be a pogram to round up and monitor Muslims any more than it was a pogram to intern Japanese, German, and Italian nationals in the US during WWII.
All of the foreign wars and all of our homeland security measures are stupid if we don't get a handle on the growing threat from immigrant extremists. We have the equivalent of an armed posse roaming about inner city neighborhoods and a state of the art surveillance system in our home, but we neglected to install a door and take a look at who is inside.
Posted by: Roach at July 08, 2005 09:17 AM (MRlvg)
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amazing how the muslim clerics (peaceful ones) abhor what has happened in London; ya da yada! well clerics heres the deal- declare a fatwa against the terrorist! you know a real honest to GOD fatwa. then you kill the bastards and maybe you can gain some credibility in your contritness and wont have to tell everyone to lay low.....
Posted by: bill at July 08, 2005 09:29 AM (VO6lA)
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Well put, Annika. Like you said, the Left's answer is to bend over and take it in the ass -- by dropping our alliance with Israel, withdrawing our troops from the "muslim land," and abandoning Iraq to the Zarcawis of the world. Doesn't seem like much of a response to me.
The Right's answer is to plant that seed of democracy in the middle of the desert. Freedom, liberty, and hope will be the irrigation that allows that seed to grow and flourish.
On the front door of hatred and extremism, democracy will ring the doorbell, enter, and kick some ass.
All we need to do is stay vigilant, and support our decision to go there, and our men and women fighting there.
Posted by: Rob at July 08, 2005 10:17 AM (84V1z)
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We will all win - we always do even if the terrorists sure think they are clever. What smart people to hurt and kill men, women, and even CHILDREN in the recent London bomb blasts. Now, world citizens will surely say, “Okay, we give up, come control our lives with your ideologies.” Right? The problem with the leadership at al-Qaeda is that they haven’t figured out that people have no love for killers. Their point of view will only attract the very young and impressionable or the very old and desperate. They miss the largest demographic- law abiding citizens who want peace. If it’s the masses a group wants to affect, do something absolutely worthwhile and positive with the resources. Win hearts. The world may be talking about al-Qaeda , but it’s not in love with it and the goods it’s selling. Without winning hearts,
MommyCool.com notes the change al-Qaeda hopes for will always be shallow.
Posted by: MommyCool at July 08, 2005 10:38 AM (/Uv1y)
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if you wanted to see blather, you should have watched abc's nightline last night.
god i hope someone somewhere cancels/pulls the plug on that fucking excuse for information.
jake, i believe what you are describing is a caliphate.
Posted by: louielouie at July 08, 2005 12:14 PM (xKfMm)
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MommyCool..."people have no love for killers"...I wish I could believe that, but I think significant numbers of people are in fact fascinated by killers. That includes people of both genders, and specifically includes many people who consider themselves "pacifists."
Annika, I'd be interested in your thoughts on the roots of the "romantic fascination" you mention.
Posted by: David Foster at July 08, 2005 12:16 PM (7TmYw)
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Hi Annika
Well said. Britain must remain strong in this dreadful hour. The reactionary forces that threaten global stability must not be allowed to succeed.
Gavin
www.lonelythinker.com
Posted by: Gavin at July 08, 2005 12:52 PM (7nNQe)
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i hear ya louielouie, that was awful. diane sawyer is flub-headed and then some journalist was trying to cry, it was horrible tv...
..but enough about that, we'll see what happens in the aftermath of this attack. I have a fear that the current generation is too short sighted for any beneficial effects to last from these horrific blasts.
Posted by: Scof at July 08, 2005 01:11 PM (7z8ua)
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This pc shit we've all had to swallow is going to be the death of us. Maybe London will be the mental enema that finally cleans us, maybe not. I'm so tired of those turdfaced assholes and their butthole religion. Hey, Bush, can I borrow your football just for a little while?
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July 06, 2005
The Playbook
UporDownVote.com predicts a
ten step plan for Democratic opposition to whomever is announced as President Bush's choice to replace Justice O'Connor.
1. Before a vacancy is announced – whip your membership into a frenzy with overblown rhetoric...
2. Â…while preparing for battle.
3. Once a nominee is named, immediately announce that the nominee’s record “raises more questions than it answers.” (Note: there will never be enough documents released, proof provided, or enough questions answered in order to satisfy the Left.)
4. Plead for a slower pace.
5. If the nominee is rated highly qualified by the ABA, dismiss this as a prerequisite for the job. If the nominee receives anything less than the highest qualifications, express outrage.
6. Force the nominee to pledge allegiance to a liberal ideology.
7. Ah-HAAAA!!! – The Left’s research will reveal a few “alarming” findings or “smoking guns.”
8. Previously released findings re-released as “research” and distributed by the media.
9. Liberal Hollywood Celebrities make an 11th hour appearance.
10. FINALLY, official opposition is coordinated and announced in a drip-drip fashion.
i would add that in general, the left's strategy will be to buy time by attacking the nominee's ideology and philosophy until they can uncover something more base to accuse him or her with. Some gossipy scandal that appeals to least common denominator. This is what happened with Clarence Thomas, remember? It's what they tried with Arnold Schwarzenegger,* and what they're trying to do with John Bolton.** And let's be fair, it's what Ken Starr did to Bill Clinton.
Since we all know that the liberals will vehemently oppose anybody Bush picks (Why wouldn't they? Today's liberal leadership haven't an ounce of principle.) Bush has an incredible opportunity that he should not pass up. He should appoint an in-your-face conservative to replace the moderate O'Connor.
Loyalty and friendship should not factor into Bush's decision. He should absolutely not nominate Alberto Gonzalez, for instance. Now, i don't know whether the rap on Berto is true or false. But i do know that he is perceived as squishy, and that is enough. Nominating Gonzalez would be a signal of capitulation and would squander the great opportunity i mentioned above.
Since everybody expects the liberals to dump on the nominee, if Bush appoints a true ideological conservative, people may be naturally skeptical of any attacks against the nominee. This is the same effect we saw in the recent presidential election, when the outrageous slanders against Bush from Hollywood et al. reached a critical mass. Middle America rejected the slurs, and the polls reflected their rejection.
Senators read polls too, even lilly-livered Republican Senators. What i'd like to see is Bush appoint a staunch conservative with a well documented paper trail to prove it. Then i'd like to see Dr. Frist grow a fucking spine and do his job. i know Bush will back his nominee to the bitter end, he's proven that. If the nominee is willing to absorb the baseless, hypocritical attacks (like Thomas did) and stick it out, i think we might have a good chance to restore some sanity to the Supreme Court.
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* And never forget who the chief accomplice was in the effort to assassinate Schwarzenegger's character during the recall election: The Los Angeles Times. Now that the election is over, one wonders why the Times has completely abandoned pursuit of all those groping accusations that once warranted front page coverage.
** If you really think that the Democrats' opposition to Bolton is based on principle, ask yourself whether they would have given two shits about Bolton's personality if he had been appointed by a Democratic president. Then you might want to talk to a few ex DiFi staffers, and see how they liked working for her. Not to mention Hillary staffers.
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The paradigm has changed since the Thomas nomination. Back then the left had a total death grip on information reaching the public.
Today that is no longer true. Americans have the alternative media now and a vehicle to learn the truth. IF the nominee and the Republicans have courage, sanity may be restored to the Supreme court. (that is an awfully big IF)
Posted by: Jake at July 06, 2005 08:07 PM (r/5D/)
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Y my dear, not even ONE shit!
Jake, yet even then that ugly whore Nina VanTotenberg had to go into hiding. It's an ill wind that doesn't blow some good.
Posted by: Casca at July 06, 2005 08:56 PM (qBTBH)
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Really, I'd like to see Bork brought back up, just to see the fireworks. It would make the November meltdowns seem like a sitcom.
My money is on Janice Rogers Brown. I'm asking for my donations back if he tries putting Gonzales in.
Posted by: digitalbrwonshirt at July 06, 2005 09:24 PM (ipjUv)
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Too bad Bork's in bad health. i don't know if he'd take it anyway. He's a bigger curmudgeon than Casca these days, God bless 'im.
Hugh Hewitt doesn't thin JRB is seasoned enough. i happened to catch oral arguments in the Cal Supreme Court a few months ago, and i couldn't get a read on her. She asked only one or two questions and didn't seem interested most of the time. Or maybe she was thinking deep thoughts.
Posted by: annika at July 06, 2005 11:11 PM (o3DnI)
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i say nominate hillary.
we all know she would decline.
bush can say, "i nominated one of yours. now i'll nominate one of mine."
if she did accept(not a snowballs chance in hell), that would take her out of '08, and put her on the bench for life. the way things are/should going, there will be a build up of conservatives on the bench.
one wack job liberal with 8 conservatives.
that's fair.
Posted by: louielouie at July 07, 2005 09:31 AM (xKfMm)
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I think Bush should disregard "seasoned enough." What the hell good does "seasoned enough" do? If a 35 year old can be President, and a non-lawyer can be on the SC, and "seasoned" SC Justices can pull monumentally incompetent decisions out of their asses at any moment, then "seasoned enough" is stinkin thinkin.
Also, as political jujitsu, it is a losing position for Bush to require "seasoned enough" for his own nominees. First, this allows the Dems to delay nominees like Estrada, JRB, and Patricia Owen, then throw down the "seasoned enough" card when a Repub President is ready to nominate. Second, "seasoned enough" didn't stop the monumentally unseasoned Ginsberg from receiving 90 votes in favor of confirmation. I love Hugh Hewitt, but he is wrong on this; and his wrong opinion is not moving us closer to getting a principled originalist onto the SC.
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Economic Survey Results
i did my own
Consumer Confidence Survey last month, and then promptly forgot about it. i asked you to describe the American economy in one word. Sixteen people participated. Here's the results.
Stupendus
Fine
Jake
robust
healthy
Healthy
Better than Europe's
in transition
Good
growing steadily
boring
duct-taped
Fine
strong
OK
pretty fucked
That's a wide range of answers. i count ten positive responses, four neutral, and two negative.
That means that readers of annika's journal are mostly optimistic about the economy.
i should note that the Conference Board's most recent Consumer Confidence Survey of 5000 U.S. households showed a rise in the index last month. In fact the index is at a three year high.
i know next to nothing about economics. i took one class in it and got a B. But i do know my visitors, and the Conference Board Survey simply proves once again that i have the smartest visitors in the blogosphere.
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Economics is pretty simple Annika. Just remember. 1)Private property creates. 2)Public property costs.
3)High marginal taxes destroy. 4)Trade is good. 5)Intellectual property is important. 6)A small amount of socialism is necessary (like an innoculation, so you dont get the full blown thing).
7) if you tax or regulate something you get less of it
if you subsidise something you get more of it.
Thats about it, all you really need to know.
/damm, I am a great teacher.
Posted by: Kyle at July 06, 2005 05:36 AM (7Re84)
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We owe our wisdom to you, Annika. Everything that is worth knowing we learned from reading your blog (and Kyle's comments).
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To get a slight elaboration on Kyle's comments, I'd always recommend Henry Haizlitt's
Economics in One Lesson. I'm not an economist by any stretch of the imagination and I hate math, but that's exactly the sort of readership it's written for.
Posted by: Dave J at July 06, 2005 10:04 AM (TPPlj)
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As Dave J suggested, Henry Hazlitt published a brief, good book on basic econ. Many of Thomas Sowell's columns (found at Townhall.com) and books deal with economics. Sowell even has a book entitled "Basic Economics" although I have not read it.
Also check out:
F. A. Hayek, The Road to Serfdom
Hernando de Soto, The Mystery of Capital
Milton Friedman, Capitalism and Freedom
Posted by: Mark at July 06, 2005 02:52 PM (zUdJY)
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Some people can't follow directions. It was supposed to be one-word answers.
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For what it's worth, here is the text of an e-mail i got from Harold Ickes today.
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" ... the defeat of John Kerry in 97 of the 100 fastest growing counties in America ..."
The Dems know this statistic, yet they have no idea of how to interpret it? I don't suppose it ever occurred to them that for a county to grow is that people have to WANT to go through the pain of moving there? Economic incentives might have something to do with that. And these days, it doesn't take the likes of Ludwig von Mises to realize that.
But no, it's the eeeeeeevil Karl Rove, the gullibility of the electorate, election fraud, etc. etc. ad nauseum. It all reminds this atheist of a part of The Great Divorce, C.S. Lewis' depiction of Purgatory. In it he describes that the greater the sinner, the more distant he is placed from the Bus Stop (i.e. the gates of Heaven). The furthest ever placed there was Napoleon Bonaparte, who never progressed an inch because he spends eternity pacing in a circle blaming his generals for his defeat at Waterloo.
Sound familiar?
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July 02, 2005
The Freaking Idiot's Guide To The Supreme Court
You ever listen to those early morning CSPAN call-in shows? What a bunch of freaking idiots.
It's like this:
Hello? Is this CSPAN?
Well, I liked that Sander Day O'Conner 'cuz she seemed like she was fair and all. And I think Bush needs to pick someone who's not all for the corporate America with all the Halliburton things and stuff.
Or the angry idiots:
She was just another right wing fascist who selected Bush and wants to roll back Medicare and Social Security with all his fascist crony corporate America and Halliburton things and stuff.
etc.
The right wing callers are no better:
Bush needs to pick somebody who's a mainstream American, like someone who hates them despicable homosexual things and stuff.
i often wonder why so many neanderthals are watching CSPAN instead of, say, Jerry Springer re-runs or those used car dealer infomercials they show on like eight stations every Saturday morning? i think it's because they have trouble figuring out the remote control and just get stuck on the channel.
In my attempt to remedy the ignorance of these people, i've prepared a pocket guide to the Supreme Court for any such CSPAN watchers who may have made it over to my blog and read this far down the page.
My handy pocket guide contains a picture of each Supreme Court justice, their name, and then a short bio. You can print it out if you'd like and refer to it whenever you want to express an opinion out loud about the Supreme Court.
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Posted by: Casca at July 02, 2005 02:08 PM (qBTBH)
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Absolutely classic! I feel so much better now! thank you
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Posted by: The Angle of Repose at July 02, 2005 04:20 PM (bIimw)
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I just figured it out..Ann Coulter in drag...LOL
Posted by: Fletch at July 02, 2005 04:26 PM (pO1tP)
Posted by: d-rod at July 02, 2005 06:02 PM (xmskQ)
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why do david suitor & david breyer look so much alike?
or is it, why does david suitor look like david breyer, and not david suitor?
scalia....good?
what the hell is wrong with a bowtie
Posted by: louielouie at July 02, 2005 06:07 PM (xKfMm)
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Only little fagot wannabes wear bowties; e.g. Tucker Carlson.
Posted by: Casca at July 02, 2005 07:04 PM (qBTBH)
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You rock. Hilarious post.
Posted by: JohnL at July 02, 2005 08:59 PM (gplif)
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Ok, now THAT was funny.
Posted by: Christopher Cross at July 02, 2005 10:56 PM (DaqTr)
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"Suitor" and "Breyer" DO look the same.
From exactly what planet did Ruth Ginsburg come from? Has NASA ever identified it? Cal Tech?
You can't spell "party" without "arty."
Posted by: Mark at July 02, 2005 11:41 PM (jvdsg)
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Shouldn't Scalia's "perfect score" be 22?
Posted by: Victor at July 03, 2005 08:16 AM (IBRcA)
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I was thinking Scalia's ABA rating should be Lawful Good.
Kevin
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Annie, you are a genius.
Kevin's right, though: you HAVE to be Lawful Good to be a Paladin (even under 3rd Edition rules). Uh, or so I'm told.
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