August 31, 2006
Guardsman Beat Up By Crazy Liberals
Near Tacoma, Washington...
The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is searching for five people who allegedly attacked a uniformed National Guardsmen walking along 138th Street in Parkland Tuesday afternoon.
The soldier was walking to a convenience store when a sport utility vehicle pulled up alongside him and the driver asked if he was in the military and if he had been in any action.
The driver then got out of the vehicle, displayed a gun and shouted insults at the victim. Four other suspects exited the vehicle and knocked the soldier down, punching and kicking him.
“And during the assault the suspects called him a baby killer. At that point they got into the car and drove off and left him on the side of the road,” Detective Ed Troyer with the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News.
The suspects were driving a black Chevy Suburban-type SUV.
“This is something new for us, we have not had military people assaulted because they were in the military or somebody's opposition to a war or whatever,” Troyer said.
The driver is described as a white male, 25-30 years old, 5 feet 10 inches tall, heavy build, short blond hair, wearing a black T-shirt and jeans, and armed with a handgun.
The vehicle's passengers are described as white males, 20-25 years old. Some of the suspects wore red baseball hats and red sweatshirts during the attack.
The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and charging of the individuals involved. Informants can call 253-591-5959, and callers will remain anonymous.
That is just sick. Every time some terrorist cell gets busted we hear no end of public service announcements intended to prevent "hate crimes" against muslims. They must be very effective, since I haven't heard of a single such "hate crime" since 9/11. Maybe we should be doing the same thing to protect our military in certain sections of the country.
h/t Beth at She Who Will Be Obeyed
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For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at September 01, 2006 05:45 AM (xHyDY)
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Well of course, Kipling's is the classic response. It's hard to beat
Tommy Atkins. I, however, came to borrow from McMurtry. The gratitude of the American public is a mighty weak vessel to put much hope in.
Posted by: Casca at September 01, 2006 05:59 AM (Z2ndo)
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Ummm...maybe not.
"Authorities are continuing to investigate a National Guardsman's claim that he was attacked earlier this week in Parkland and called "a baby killer."
A witness who came forward after the incident told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News a different story about what happened on Tuesday morning, but deputies said the witness later changed that story when they interviewed him.
The witness told police he saw several men in uniform beat a man in civilian clothes, but later changed his account to back the guardsman.
Investigators said the witness's stories were inconsistent with the guardsman's, and they are back to "square one" in the investigation."
Posted by: Hesiod at September 01, 2006 12:22 PM (pOIx0)
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Annuka,
I don't know how the same, sane woman who wrote that heartfelt commerative piece could also pen the headline of this piece. (Although I do not see the parallel with apeasement of Adolf)
It sounds as if it is awfully early in the investigation to be jumping to conclusions. Seriously, ANnie, Liberals don't jump out of pickups and beat anything up. SOme weatherman left over from 1970 might but not those that followed the wing of the party led by HH and others. A group of PETA types might if he had his winter furs on or some Earth FIrsters might if he had a 36" Stihl in his hand but not Liberals of the CIndy SHehan ilk. THis guardsman might be muddying the waters and doing a bit of agit prop to rally the Right to go on a witch hunt or some other nonsence. Or maybe DOnald Segrity paid these guys 50 bucks to do the deed and cast aspersions as we run up to the midterms. The Republicans are running scared and losing control of the H & S and so forth is going to make for some real dirty tricks. Poll taxes are starting to flourish; I notice MO just got into the game (All passed by Republican state houses arguing protection against non-existant voter fraud) and there will be more to come. However, if all goes as it seems it will, We could see articles of impeachment by January.
Posted by: strawman at September 01, 2006 02:43 PM (tuy00)
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"Poll taxes are starting to flourish."
Proof please. Nice race card, Straw. Sorry, it won't work in 2006 - especially because they only people that can still be legally discriminated against are white men.
"Non-existent voter fraud." You betchya. The only person you are fooling is yourself, Straw. Your party invented voter fraud and engages in it every single election.
BTW, the Dems have no chane of winning the Senate. They have a 50/50 chance of the House because the MSM will start really cranking up the anti-Bush machine. (Notice that the MSM had absolutely nothing to say about the Wilson - Plame fraud that they brought upon the nation?)
Posted by: Blu at September 01, 2006 03:55 PM (Wc+84)
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Blu,
You don't think the placing of these document barrriers is a poll tax? Is there some constitutional requirement that you must drive or be able to lay hands on your birth certificate or that you have the bus fare to go to the county seat and then pay for the search or the copy? These are blantant impediments to voting that aim squarely at non-republican voters? There is no evidence of a single vote cast fraudantly in Georgia in the last twenty years. These programs are pure politics. Justice reviewed these laws, wrote a memo stating flatly that they are "likely to be descriminatory against African-Americans" and, of course, a Bush appointee said, "Nah, couldn't be".
All these photo ID laws will eventually be struck down, and that is understood by all, but the ONLY concern is that the mid terms take place first. It has nothing to do with voter fraud and you, my good man, know that.
Posted by: strawman at September 01, 2006 05:54 PM (tuy00)
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Hi everyone, I am blogging on my neice's dell from Grand Isle La. about to head out on a fishing trip tomorrow.
Straw, you goddam left wing ass, yes of course left wingers do crap like that. The primary motivation of the left, since the time of Marx has always been hate. Hatred of the bourgeois, hatred of capitalism, hatred of religion etc.
Well I will drink another margarita to the spirit of freedom which does not inhabit your sorry ass at all.
Posted by: Kyle N at September 01, 2006 06:28 PM (0+QM1)
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"You don't think the placing of these document barrriers is a poll tax?"
No, it is common sense. We have a right to vote. But there is nothing radical about asking people to prove who they are when we know that voter fraud occurs constantly - especially on the Left.
"Justice reviewed these laws, wrote a memo stating flatly that they are "likely to be descriminatory against African-Americans" and, of course, a Bush appointee said, 'Nah, couldn't be'."
How? We all have equal access to birth certificates and a driver license (provided it hasn't been taken from you or you have not ever tried to get one - in which you can easily obtain a State ID.) Basically, your and the Left's problem with these laws has absolutely nothing tp do with your supposed empathy for these poor minority people - it is all about political power. The Left has always been willing to usurp power no matter the cost. You all know damn well that there is rampant voter fraud on your side. The thing is that you don't care.
Posted by: Blu at September 01, 2006 09:30 PM (Wc+84)
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Again I must concur totally with Blu on this. As a Georgia voter in perhaps one of the lily whitest counties in the state I can tell you that for years I have been asked to show I.D. at the polls. Whether this was actually required or simply helped expedite the process, I don't know.
I do know it takes far more to rent a movie at Blockbuster.
Posted by: Mike C. at September 02, 2006 06:56 AM (vFS/o)
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Mike,
Blockbuster. Cashing a check. Using a credit card anyplace. The list goes on and on.
The arguments against showing a vaild ID are ALL ludicrous. Of course, the Left will never admit that they want as many people voting regardless of citizenship status. I believe that many of these people don't believe in the sovreignty of the U.S. and, futhermore, that "citizenship" should be bestowed on anybody that manages to sneak across our border. So, legal or illegal it makes no difference to these people. Heck, some of these idiots think that the murderers and rapists sitting in our jails should have the right to vote as well. We need not get into how many dead people manage somehow to vote Democrat each year.
Posted by: Blu at September 02, 2006 11:31 AM (Wc+84)
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Blu,
SOmetimes you are an insufferable ass. None of what you argue is true. And don't confuse presenting ID with the NEw laws. What you present at Blockbuster, or the bank, or the supermarket will not work anymore at the poling station. They have made it harder and with only one purpose in mind;Reduce democratic voters. It is all about poverty and hardship. You and Kyle and Mike are completely dissengenuous when you say stuoid shit like "we all have equall access to our records". We don't and you fucking well know it. As for dead people voting in Georgia:Apocrahphyl! According to the Republican sec. of state. Just bad record keeping. But the R lives on lies and just keeps telling them until they forget the truth. Explain the FL felon list to me Blu?
Yup, Kyle, thanks for the history lesson, I think you've been drinkin margarita's non stop since birth.
Posted by: strawman at September 02, 2006 12:06 PM (tuy00)
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So, just for the record, Straw. You oppose the idea of proving that you are who you say you are, a registered voter and a US citizen, when going to vote. It is a simple question. The only reason to oppose this is because you want people to vote who should not be voting. Period.
Posted by: Blu at September 02, 2006 01:26 PM (Wc+84)
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Blu,
What does "period" mean? You make the most assine inference from what I wrote and then you say "Period'? I don't get it.
If I believed you thought for a moment that the difference between the R and the Dem's is that one only wishes to see fairness in elections and and the other strives for the right to let dogs and meerkats vote I would have stopped talking to you months ago. You don't believe it yet the words still come. Try a little honesty once and a while.
Posted by: strawman at September 03, 2006 11:12 AM (tuy00)
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Honesty: I believe that Reps don't want people voting who ought not be voting due to their citizenship status - this is partly due to ethics and partly due to the fact that fradulent voting is more likley to benefit Democrats. Democrats want people to vote without the benefit of ID because they know that fradulent votes will likely benefit them. There those like you - I'll take you at your word - that feel like showing an ID is some sort of undue burden that unequally falls on minorities. So, not requiring an ID soothes your conscience by (1) lifting that "burden" and (2)erasing any ethical consequences related to fradulent voting because if nobody has to prove who they are then nobody knows for certain who is or is not a legal voter.
More honesty: Reps prefer a lower turnout because that usually benefits our side as our voters are generally more reliable than yours.
Personally, I believe there should be no situation where a person can vote without legal photo ID.
All of this I honestly believe.
Posted by: Blu at September 03, 2006 12:12 PM (Wc+84)
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Let's see, I'm trying to remember what the Strawman wanted from the Wizard of Oz.
Oh, yeah. Well, it's clear he never got it.
Posted by: shelly at September 03, 2006 02:22 PM (ZGpMS)
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Blu,
(Shelly, what I wanted and have had in recent times is not to have unctuous selfsatisified smelts like yourself nipping at my heels.)
Not lets get this straight Blu, because I think there is a large flaw in all of this and that is your assumption that the dem's wish people to vote without showing some form of ID. This is the strawman of this argument that you seem to have swallowed. NOBODY, I repeat NOBODY is suggesting that showing an ID is intrusive and some sort of civil liberties violation nor is anybody suggesting that a situation should be advanced where the possiblity of those not permitted to vote should be enhanced. NOBODY.
What is at stake is that people who HAVE the right to vote are having impediments put in their path. This is ALL that THIS IS ABOUT. Impediments to LEGAL voters who also are to a greater extent likely to vote democrtatic because they are african-americans or are poor.
Blu, get a grip.
There are many forms of ID. 40 some states are using them without a problem. People who may not drive may have credit cards, picture ID.s from their supermarket chain or video store, or their place of employment (lockeed martin, the Post office, McDonalds,) These people cannot register with this ID BECAUSE the new law prohibits registering unless you have a DL or this NEWLY created ID issued by the state at a few locations. Bus fare, gas for your car, the 10.00 fee for the ID and having access to a prima facia form of ID are all required for this new ID to be issued. Blu, do birth certificates have a picture on them? So what the fuck good is the new ID if it is based on bullshit? IT is no good is the point but it will cause thousands in many states to be disenfranchised and is part of a cynical and most likely illegal political strategy.
Your honesty is somewhat refreshing as far as it goes. You know that in this country the prevalence of people voting who shold not be is completely insignificant and that, especially in the SOuth the disenfranchisement of significant numbers is and has historically been significant.
Posted by: strawman at September 03, 2006 03:17 PM (tuy00)
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strawman,
If someone has a store card from Sears and they didn't need to produce a legitimate ID in order to obtain it, then what good is it for positive ID at the polling place?
"Um, yeah... I'd like a library card, please? My name... and no ID required? Uh... Joey Joe-Joe Junior Shabadoo. Yeah, that's the ticket..."
And this ID is good enough, in your estimation, for vote casting? So any shmoe can collect various cheesy IDs for his friends and relatives and vote all day long. And, even if he's caught, there's no way to undo the damage since votes are cast anonymously.
A valid state photo ID is a common sense requirement. Will it prevent me -- with my Right to vote -- from casting a ballot if I show up without my wallet? Yep. So what? I have a Right to vote, but not a Right to commit vote fraud.
Would it allay your fear of a "poll tax" if all eligible voters who do not currently have a state-issued photo ID were issued one F.O.C.?
Posted by: Tuning Spork at September 03, 2006 06:58 PM (3ENL4)
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Respectfully Straw I must take issue regarding the typical reference to the 'south' in your comments. I'm not a southerner by birth and when I moved to the Atlanta area in the early seventies you could justifiably make the case that discrimination still prevailed. If I'm not mistaken even the great Carter ran first on a segregationist platform even if no one came right out and said it. (back in his statewide days)
Now Atlanta is a great city run by minorities, some of whom would likely take offense at the notion that they aren't smart or wealthy enough to aquire the requisite I.D. for voting. Granted the rest of the state is now largely Republican but there's more to this than just politics. (When the Dems were in power they had their own
tricks like gerimandered districts that crisscrossed the state following black population)
If there were no other reason the illegal imigrant
situation would be enough in my opinion. And this conflicts with my setiment that illegals should have driver's lisenses so that they are insured, in which case I'd be happy to get a new voter I.D.
I will admit I am not purely democratic by any stretch. I would prefer it if state assemblies still elected U.S. senators and I've even entertained the idea (not too seriously) that
only property owners should vote, but please- let's keep that our little secret.
Posted by: Mike C. at September 03, 2006 07:09 PM (vFS/o)
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In keeping with this topic, I'm certain you will all be excited to hear that liberals in TN and MD are doing their best to make certain that ex-Felons - yes, murderers and rapist - are allowed to vote immediately upon release. The forces behind this push are the usual suspects:
The NAA(L)CP and the very un-American ACLU. Well, at least they are correct about one thing: The odds are that most ex-felons are Democrats.
Posted by: Blu at September 05, 2006 09:39 AM (j8oa6)
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Blu,
How clever.
But, those who think black leaders or just plain folk will be offended that part of the augment against State issued ID's is poverty are nuts. They know better than anyone how their people have systematically been coerced away from the polling booth. They see the Georgia law for what it is-more of the same white bullshit fucking with their rights. Show mw a black legislator in Georgia that voted for the bill, please?
I don't deny dem's have gerrymandered and I hate it. It is a process that can, not always, lead to the dimishment of representative government. What is the statistic about the actual number of seats in congress that are really ever in play? 10% 15%?
Furthermore, all you fraud advocates: what would have stopped anybody in the past, legal or illegal from getting multiple id's and voting all day long? Everybody on your side keeps spouting this horse shit about multiple voting yet there is NO, I repeat NO documentation to support the argument that it is currently (last 25 years) a problem. (Please don't cite an isolated case in Idaho; we are talking about numbers that have even the slightest significance)
What about my previous argument that possession of a birth certificate is also meaningless if you want to identify someone? It has no picture, fingerprints, nothing linking it to the person in possession of the doc with the person identified on the document.
So I still maintain that the whole thing is bullshit. Just another attempt by the R to separate voters who do not support their candidates from the booth.
As for felons voting, Blu, that is a decision of State legislators. If a person has done the time presumably society is content and the punishment for their crime is complete. Why give them drivers licenses or let them collect social security, or use a public library, or ride a bus? Why do you pick on voting as the punishment that endures the test of time? Why let them out of prison at all?
Posted by: strawman at September 05, 2006 12:31 PM (tuy00)
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"They see the Georgia law for what it is-more of the same white bullshit fucking with their rights. Show mw a black legislator in Georgia that voted for the bill, please?"
I don't give two shits what any black legislator thinks about this issue. The majority of black Dem legislators I see on C-SPAN or cable sound like racists and would like us to believe that "the man" is out to get them 24/7. (Or how about listening to the bile that comes from Julian Bond's lips any day of the week.) You see, Straw, that's how they keep their jobs. God forbid any of these race-baiters would have to work for a living. You see the "black leaders" go after Cosby for daring the speak truth? Or how about the absolute beating Juan Williams is taking for suggesting that, oh I don't know, black kids learn to speak English?
Straw, did you come of age in that Golden Era of the 60's? I have no clue of your age, but just in case you've forgotten the year is 2006. Nobody is getting lynched -well, except of course for the high tech lynchings that occur to any black conservative who speaks truth to Black Power -; the fire hoses are not being turned on anybody; and the KKK is likened to dog excrement by 99.999% of Americans. I'm sick of whiny fucking minorities; but, I'm infinitely more sick and tired of their white, guilt-trippin', forever livin' in the 60's colleagues. Get over it. But, mostly, get over yourselves and your annoying self-righteousness. The problems of the black community are their own and won't be solved by guilty white liberals and black race baiters.
"Whitey" ain't keeping nobody down, yo.
Posted by: Blu at September 05, 2006 03:40 PM (TVuWZ)
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p.s.
"Why do you pick on voting as the punishment that endures the test of time? Why let them out of prison at all?"
I actually agree with you on this, Straw. As much as the idea of a violent felon voting disturbs me, I do think that a person who has done his time should be free to exercise his right to vote. I just think it is interesting how transparent and frankly ironic it is. The ACLU and the NAACP don't care about these people. They are just peasants and pawns in their eyes. It's all about political power - that is what always drives the Left. They know two things: most felons are black and most blacks are Democrats. It's that simple. If most of these felons were white, let me assure you that these two groups would not be pounding the pavement making sure these guys (and gals) could vote.
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August 30, 2006
Ahmadi-Nejad Kisses German Butt
Unless you're reading
Darleen's Place or
Dr. Sanity and a select few other sources of important information, you probably haven't heard about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad's recent letter to German Chancellor Angela Merkel. That's okay, I understand that there are
far more critical events taking place in the world.
Let me break it down for you.
Ahmadi-Nejad tried to kiss up to the German Chancellor with an appeal to her religious convictions (Chancellor Merkel, unlike 49% of her countrymen and women, believes in God); flattery over Germany's achievements in the arts and sciences; and by patronizing her as a woman with a woman's unique gifts.
The purpose of the letter? To enlist Germany as an ally against the evil U.S.-Zionist worldwide conspiracy. You don't have to read between the lines to realize that Ahmadi-Nejad's impression of the German zeitgeist was probably formed by a close reading of Mein Kampf. He still thinks they're Nazis at heart, and therefore potential friends of Islamofascism.
If you take the middle third of the rambling missive (containing the most anti-semitic passages) and replace the universally accepted euphemism "zionist" with the word he really meant, "jew," it looks like the letter could have been written by Adolf himself.
Sixty years have passed since the end of the war. But, regrettably the entire world and some nations in particular are still facing its consequences. Even now the conduct of some bullying powers and power-seeking and aggressive groups is the conduct of victors with the vanquished.
The extortion and blackmail continue, and people are not allowed to think about or even question the source of this extortion, otherwise they face imprisonment. When will this situation end? Sixty years, one hundred years or one thousand years, when? I am sorry to remind you that today the perpetual claimants against the great people of Germany are the bullying powers and the [jew]s that founded the Al-Qods Occupying Regime [i.e. Israel] with the force of bayonets in the Middle East.
The Honorable Chancellor
I have no intention of arguing about the Holocaust. But, does it not stand to reason that some victorious countries of World War II intended to create an alibi on the basis of which they could continue keeping the defeated nations of World War II indebted to them. Their purpose has been to weaken their morale and their inspiration in order to obstruct their progress and power. In addition to the people of Germany, the peoples of the Middle East have also borne the brunt of the Holocaust. By raising the necessity of settling the survivors of the Holocaust in the land of Palestine, they have created a permanent threat in the Middle East in order to rob the people of the region of the opportunities to achieve progress. The collective conscience of the world is indignant over the daily atrocities by the [jew] occupiers, destruction of homes and farms, killing of children, assassinations and bombardments.
Excellency, you have seen that the [jew] government does not even tolerate a government elected by the Palestinian people, and over and over again has demonstrated that it recognizes no limit in attacking the neighboring countries.
The question is why did the victors of the war, especially England that had apparently such a strong sense of responsibility toward the survivors of the Holocaust not allow them to settle in their territory. Why did they force them to migrate to other people's land by launching a wave of anti-Semitism? Using the excuse for the settlement of the survivors of the Holocaust, they encouraged the Jews worldwide to migrate and today a large part of the inhabitants of the occupied territories are non-European Jews. If tyranny and killing is condemned in one part of the world, can we acquiesce and go along with tyranny, killing, occupation and assassinations in another part of the world simply in order to redress the past wrongs?
Excellency
We need to ask ourselves that for what purposes the millions of dollars that the [jew]s receive from the treasury of some Western countries are spent for. Are they used for the promotion of peace and the well-being of the people? Or are they used for waging war against Palestinians and the neighboring countries. Are the nuclear arsenals of Israel intended to be used in defense of the survivors of the Holocaust or as a permanent thereat against nations of the region and as an instrument of coercion, and possibly to defend the interests of certain circles of power in the Western countries.
Regrettably, the influence of the [jew]s in the economy, media and some centers of political power has endangered interests of the European nations and has robbed them of many opportunities. The main alibi for this approach is the extortion they exact from the Holocaust.
One can imagine what standing some European countries could have had and what global role they could have played, if it had not been for this sixty-year old imposition.
I believe we both share the view that the flourishing of nations and their role are directly related to freedom and sense of pride.
Fortunately, with all the pressures and limitations, the great nation of Germany has been able to take great strides toward advancement and has become a major economic powerhouse in Europe that also seeks to play a more effective role in international interactions. But just imagine where Germany would be today in terms of its eminence among the freedom-loving nations, Muslims of the world and peoples of Europe, if such a situation did not exist and the governments in power in Germany had said no to the extortions by the [jew]s and had not supported the greatest enemy of mankind.
"The greatest enemy of mankind." That is just scary.
The man is so clueless about the progress of history, that he actually believes he can win Germany to his side by appealing to a wounded national pride that he imagines the Germans still feel. Germany has changed since 1945, not always for the better. But if it retains any nationalistic tendencies, it's people like Ahmadi-Nejad who need to worry. No, if Germany ends up aligning itself with Iran, it will be the pacifists and appeasers who'll be responsible for that decision.
I recommend reading the entire letter. Ahmadi-Nejad tries so hard to sound worldly and intellectual, but he just comes off as a poseur trying too hard to make friends. He and Hugo Chavez could form their own Axis of Smarmy.
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This is what comes with lacking the will to lead in this world. Time was when we would squeeze third world midgits, and make them go away. Now we have to sweat the hand-wringing of the weak-kneed amongst us.
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August 29, 2006
Katherine Harris
I don't really know much about the Florida Senate race, beyond the widely reported comments of Katherine Harris. And you all know how I feel about the so-called "separation" of church and state. But I just got done listening to Medved's interview with Harris on the radio, and even Medved, a sympathetic questioner, couldn't prevent her from coming off as a complete idiot.
Well hell, she's an embarassment, but why should the Democrats have a monopoly on bubbleheads in Congress?
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This woman is a train wreck. If she had any brains or stones in 2000, she'd have stepped on the Dade County Board of Elections, and kept the SCOTUS out of it. She was the fucking Sec of State, and arbiter of election law in FL!
That she is the Rep Candidate for Senate says alot about the party down there. Worst of all, she's going to end up a tragic, broke, loser, and cost us the seat.
Posted by: Casca at August 29, 2006 01:46 PM (Z2ndo)
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Yup she is everything you said she is, but that ole gal got a nice set of cans.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 29, 2006 02:02 PM (ZkbfM)
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She's a total wackjob. Given the lack of a primary runnoff here in Florida, I still believe there's an outside possibility one of her relatively unknown primary opponents could beat her: it would probably require Charlie Crist, the likely gubernatorial nominee, to endorse one of them so that anti-Harris votes don't split three ways.
Posted by: Dave J at August 29, 2006 03:11 PM (SKqxt)
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When is the primary?
As for her cans, at least she won't go hungry.
Posted by: Casca at August 29, 2006 04:52 PM (2gORp)
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The primary's Tuesday which, yes, I know means what I wrote above is pretty much just wishful thinking.
Posted by: Dave J at August 29, 2006 05:02 PM (SKqxt)
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I listened to her primary opponent on Medved's show earlier in the week. He certainly wasn't an idiot, but he didn't blow me away either. We're gonna lose that seat.
And, yeah, she's got great tits.
Posted by: Blu at August 29, 2006 06:03 PM (8M2kt)
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Bush's Gift Horse has Hoof in Mouth, again!
Hello Annika and all,
This gets to the root of the problem of deluded and greedy politicians who seek to impose their own ignorance on millions of others. Because of our reliance on money, politics, and religion, we are teetering on the verge of worldwide disaster. Idiots like Ms. Harris couldn't care less about everyone else as long as they get their hands on wealth and power, even if it means
pretending to serve the Creator. It is long past time that people stand up for truth and justice and give these scoundrels their due.
Read the rest here...
Peace...
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Katherine Harris may be foolish... you sir are industriously so.
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August 24, 2006
Iran's War Against Women
I just read
Photon Courier's excellent post about the murder of Atefeh Sahaleh by the Iranian government. I call it a murder because I learned in my first year criminal law course that the term is defined as "the unjustified killing of a human being by another." What was Atefeh Sahaleh's crime? Having sex.
Oh, she was 16 years old.
[Still think the Iranians are basically nice guys who can be reasoned with?]
So, that led me to Amnesty International's excessively neutral post about the execution. You've heard of Amnesty International. They're the organization that's always criticizing the United States because we still have capital punishment.
So then I decided to compare stats. Without looking, can you guess which country killed more women last year?
If you guessed Iran, you'd be correct. In 2005, only one woman was executed in the United States.
[Her name was Frances Newton, and she was executed by lethal injection on September 14, 2005, by the State of Texas. When she was 24 years old, she shot her husband Adrian, her 7 year old son Alton, and her 21 month old daughter Farrah with a .25 caliber pistol to collect life insurance money. Frances Newton was 40 by the time she was finally executed for the crimes.]
Then I went over to a site called Women's Forum Against Fundamentalism In Iran. It's worth bookmarking if you're curious at all about the type of society our enemy would like to impose upon us.
Just looking at the left sidebar, which contains links to various news stories, is pretty enlightening. Here's a selection of headlines:
Amnesty International: Young woman, Delara Darabi, 19, facing imminent execution
A Kurdish woman sentenced to stoning
More crackdown on women
Women-only buses another government run, gender-apartheid program
Iran’s police stop 10-year-old girl for “mal-veiling”
Women ejected by force from Iran stadium
300,000 homeless women in Iran capital
Iran police prevent women from watching football match
Iran's Islamist rulers want sex segregation on pavements
Iran to hang another teenage girl attacked by rapists
Iran to execute two other women
An Iranian woman in the town of Varamin is sentenced to death by stoning
Iran sentences a woman to death by hanging
Another woman is sentenced to death by stoning in Iran
Female workers are ordered to get home by dusk to serve their families
Senior Iran cleric: Prostitutes must be hanged
Iran to execute two other women
Iran to hang 19-year old mother
Sixty Iranian women activists made a public appeal on Thursday for the release of a Kurdish feminist campaigner
Fundamentalists recruit Women for Martyrdom Seeker Movement in Iran.
Post-election, A New Wave of Crackdown on Women.
Thousands join womenÂ’s anti-government demonstration in Tehran.
Crackdown on Women.
Defeating misogyny in Iran .
Save the Women, Save Ourselves.
UN women's rights official raps Iran over abuses.
Four Iranian Women were executed in 2004 by public hanging or stoning. There are 14 women to be hanged or stoned to death in coming days, weeks or months.
A woman is facing stoning in next five days
A 19 year old mentally ill girl is facing imminent execution in Iran
Another woman facing stoning in Iran
13 year old, Jila, facing death by stoning flogged 55 times
Iranian Student protest forced veiling
Imminent execution of a 33-year-old Iranian women, Fatemeh Haghighat-Pajouh...
Iran moves to roll back rights won by women...
Violence, poverty and abuse led girl, 16, to gallows...
Amnesty International outraged at the reported execution of a 16 year old girl in Iran...
'Painful' day as mother's death recalled. Zahra Kazemi's son still seeks answers. He has no faith in upcoming Iranian trial.
Iran's government has launched a crackdown on women who flout the strict Islamic dress codes during the hot summer months.
One of the links contains
a story that is enough to make you want to cry. Here it is:
An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.
The state-run daily Etemaad reported on Saturday that 18-year-old Nazanin confessed to stabbing one of three men who had attacked the pair along with their boyfriends while they were spending some time in a park west of the Iranian capital in March 2005.
Nazanin, who was 17 years old at the time of the incident, said that after the three men started to throw stones at them, the two girlsÂ’ boyfriends quickly escaped on their motorbikes leaving the pair helpless.
She described how the three men pushed her and her 16-year-old niece Somayeh onto the ground and tried to rape them, and said that she took out a knife from her pocket and stabbed one of the men in the hand.
As the girls tried to escape, the men once again attacked them, and at this point, Nazanin said, she stabbed one of the men in the chest. The teenage girl, however, broke down in tears in court as she explained that she had no intention of killing the man but was merely defending herself and her younger niece from rape, the report said.
The court, however, issued on Tuesday a sentence for Nazanin to be hanged to death.
Instead of telling us how attractive he thinks Ahmadi-Nejad is, perhaps Mike Wallace should have spent an hour letting the world know about the above, completely barbaric death sentence against an innocent child.
You know, fuck Mike Wallace, fuck Ahmadi-Nejad, and fuck the fucking mullahs. These people are so completely evil, I can't even finish what I was going to write.
Update: Thanks to Beth of MVRWC, I've been alerted to this update regarding the Nazanin case.
On 3 January, 18-year-old Nazanin was sentenced to death for murder by a criminal court, after she reportedly admitted stabbing to death one of three men who attempted to rape her and her 16-year-old niece in a park in Karaj in March 2005. She was 17 at the time. (See Iran: Amnesty International calls for end to death penalty for child offenders, MDE 13/005/2006, 16 January 2006). At the end of May the Supreme Court rejected the death sentence against Nazanin, reportedly on the instructions of the Head of the Judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi. The case will reportedly be retried in August and sent to a lower court for further investigation.
One more thing. The
Wikipedia article on Nazanin points out that Iran's death penalty can be applied to males as young as fifteen,
and females as young as nine!
The Iranian government really is waging a war against women!
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Thanks, Annika. In case you missed it, see also the first paragraph of
this post.
Posted by: david foster at August 24, 2006 07:19 PM (/Z304)
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How terrible. And good for you Annika . . . for your mind, your passion, your commitment to justice.
I'll keep this girl in my prayers. May God see her decency and courage.
Posted by: Roach at August 24, 2006 08:17 PM (TY/gr)
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Yeesh, shades of the Inquisition. Thanks for bringing these topics to light here. Keep this up and you'll become a blog center of gravity for Iranian news and analysis.
I was puzzled by your Mike Wallace reference, as I didn't see a link provided; he spent an hour talking about how good she looked??
Posted by: will at August 25, 2006 08:51 AM (h7Ciu)
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Annika,
This is among many, the serious and frightful aspects of the unrelenting will of Islam to be a government as well as a religion. The devout practitioners of this religion are not at peace unless the divide between religious and civil law is erased. I am constantly saddened by the plight of women in the Islamic world.
Posted by: strawman at August 25, 2006 08:56 AM (tuy00)
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Wallace did an interview afer his interview with the Mad Man in which he among other things talked about what an attractive man he (the Mad Man) is -not just physically. Apparently, according to Wallace, the guy has "presence." To which I say, so fucking what: so did Hitler and so does Castro. (I suspect one doesn't become a successful tyrant without a pretty compelling personality.)
Wallace discredited himself in both interviews - the one he conducted and the one he gave.
Posted by: Blu at August 25, 2006 09:56 AM (8M2kt)
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Excellent post, you would think this is an issue the MSM would pick up on, considering all the factors are memes they like to harp on, but hey, its too much to have Mike Wallace ask about that. Or CNN. There is no fucking perspective in the news we are given and its making this country stupider by the day. The War on Terror will be lost if such mass misinformation continues. There is no venue for a sustained discussion of these matters, just people talking past each other waiting for the next election, and then they'll do it all again.
Posted by: Scof at August 25, 2006 10:53 AM (a3fqn)
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Scof-
America, baby! When has it ever been different? The venal leading the confused
Posted by: strawman at August 25, 2006 12:23 PM (tuy00)
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I agree completely Annika- fuck 'em, fuck all of the ragheaded a**holes. I'm glad you tell it like it is, unlike the supposedly-mainsteam media.
Really enjoy your blog, btw!
Posted by: zman at August 25, 2006 02:14 PM (w2MUu)
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I was amused once when I heard the old historian Author Schlesinger debating with one of those multi-cultural wonders who were arguing about the worth of Ideologies like Islam.
Now Art was an old time big lefty. But he didn't buy into the new trends. When the arrogant little wannabe said "But we have so much to learn from the great cultures of the third world" Arthur asked him
"And what things would those be? Cannibalism, polygamy, slavery, Sutee, genital mutilation, foot binding?"
Posted by: kyle8 at August 25, 2006 02:31 PM (EdUDv)
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zman,
i say if you are willing to write "fuck" then, what the heck, go for it and write "ass" as well. nobody around here gets too worked up over profanity.
Posted by: Blu at August 25, 2006 02:33 PM (8M2kt)
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Nice quote Kyle. Schlesinger was one of the good minds on the Left. Wrong on a lot of issues but often correct on some larger issues - espcially multi-culturalism and political correctness. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was another guy on the Left that often got some of the bigger issues right. He understood early on the legacy that welfare would leave on the poor - especially the Black poor. Hard to imagine a time when the Left wasn't completely nuts, isn't it?
Posted by: Blu at August 25, 2006 02:40 PM (8M2kt)
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Blu wrote: "Wallace did an interview afer his interview with the Mad Man in which he among other things talked about what an attractive man he (the Mad Man) is -not just physically. Apparently, according to Wallace, the guy has 'presence.'"
Thanks for the info, Blu. I'll have to track it down.
And oddly enough, Mike could have been talking about GWB during the 2000 election, though it would have been more down home presence.
Posted by: will at August 25, 2006 02:48 PM (h7Ciu)
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I know sweety, this is really bad. There are some who are watching it all. Those in charge over there will be held acountable. Be patient.
Peace, take care now.
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Iran Already Has The Bomb
Is the
big surprise, which the Iranians are planning within the next few days, an announcement that they already have the bomb?
Read this chilling interview with former Danish agent Regnar Rasmussen in Front Page Mag. He says the Iranians already got three warheads from Kazakhstan back in the nineties.
In autumn 1991 Nursultan Nazarbayev, the president of Khazakhstan, sold three nuclear warheads to the Iranians. The Iranians wanted to use them as a prototype for their own bomb manufacturing. The price was said to have been 7.5 billion USD. Whether this amount is true or just the fantasies of a less paid government official, I cannot verify. The amount was to cover all bribes and kick-offs and military protection during transport. Every country involved had demanded their fair share of the deal.
Anyway, the warheads were removed from a military depot somewhere in Kazakhstan and transported by train down to Makhachkala in Daghestan. Here they were reloaded onto huge trucks and then taken through the Caucasian region and into Turkey. In the city of Dogubeyazit the Iranians met the convoy and took over. The three vehicles were then driven by Iranian drivers down to the border post Bazargan, where they entered Iranian territory.
The warheads were brought down to Teheran and parked in the military campus Lavizan. Here they were seen by a soldier who later defected to Israel and told the story to the Israeli intelligence services who at that time were unable to verify the matter further. Various rumours have been circulating ever since. Some stories say two bombs, some say four. The correct number, however, is three.
He also speculated whether Pakistan's recent nuclear test was actually a proxy for the Iranians. I think Rasmussen's story is plausible, and he's not the only guy who's been whispering it.
The Wall Street Journal again reminds us that a nuclear Iran would be a bad thing.
“A nuclear-armed Iran would likely embolden the leadership in Tehran to advance its aggressive ambitions in and outside of the region, both directly and through the terrorists it supports—ambitions that gravely threaten the stability and the security of U.S. friends and allies,” says the House Intelligence report. With a nuclear arsenal that they felt protected them from retaliation, the mullahs would also be more likely to use conventional military force in the Middle East. The domino effect as Turkey, Egypt and the Saudis sought their own nuclear deterrent would also not be “stabilizing,” to cite the highest value of our Middle Eastern “realists.” And don’t forget President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s vow that “Israel must be wiped off the map.”
As if any thinking person needs such a reminder. Yet, incredibly, some people are still in denial. And it's funny that those are often the same people who think we need to get out of Iraq immediately. As I've said before, one often overlooked result of a nuclear Iran will be that the United States will be forced to stay in Iraq indefinitely --
and to deploy intermediate range nuclear missiles there for the purpose of deterrence. I promise you, I'm not wrong about this.
h/t Regime Change Iran & Protein Wisdom
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Nukes in Iraq, interesting...today I feel like we should give Europe alot of shit. I mean it is their continent which'll likely get hit, besides Israel, from an Iranian missle. Yet these fucks can't even put troops on the groun to help out in Lebanon. I don't understand why Leftist politicians want to die.
Posted by: Scof at August 24, 2006 11:07 AM (a3fqn)
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"I don't understand why Leftist politicians want to die."
I do.
They feel guilty for having lived an easy life and reaping the benefits of a civilized and free culture without having to work too hard.
Instead of blaming terrorists and their like for their own circumstances, they blame themselves (the west). If punishment is death by nuclear incineration, so be it. We "deserve" it.
They're that stupid.
Posted by: Rob at August 24, 2006 12:04 PM (9DumO)
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There are an awful lot of people determined to ignore the true nature of Iran, Hezbollah, and our other enemies. The psychology was captured by Arthur Koestler in a chilling metaphor which I excerped
here.
Posted by: david foster at August 24, 2006 01:21 PM (/Z304)
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You make an excellent point about cold war deterrence in your post, David. We
did come close to nuclear war with the Russians on multiple occasions. When those breakdowns in MAD occurred, we were able to avert disaster precisely because our opponents, at the very least, still wanted to live. We were able to talk to each other.
What if our nuclear opponents in the next war don't care about dying? What if they actually want martyrdom? It's a completely different situation.
Iran CAN NOT be allowed to go nuclear.
Posted by: annika at August 24, 2006 05:59 PM (qQD4Q)
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That dave foster dude is one smart brainiac. The Photon Courier is kewl.
As for MAD working, and being on the brink of nuclear exchange... you must be thinking about movies, because it never happened in the real world. Please point out the error of my ways.
Your conclusion however is correct. We must defeat the forces of evil.
Posted by: Casca at August 24, 2006 06:34 PM (2gORp)
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Why thank you, Casca.
I can think of at least two cases where we came far too close to nuclear war. (1)A Soviet warning system picked up the sun reflecting off various structures in the American Midwest, and interpreted it as a large number of simultaneous Minuteman launches. Apparently, it was only one cool-headed Soviet officer who kept things from getting out of hand. (2)Shortly after the American BMEWS (radar+computer) system was installed, it picked up the moon, and reported it as Soviet incoming missiles. (Apparently, the extreme range of the radar system had not been understood.) This wasn't as serious as incident (1), since the computer part of BMEWS noted velocities not consistent with missiles, but still, Cheyenne Mountain went on alert while the situation was sorted out.
Of course, there was also the Cuban missile crisis.
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I saw a profile (on 20/20 i think) of that Russian officer. It was apparently "this is not a drill" time, and it was up to him to turn the key, but luckily he saved the world on a hunch! He lives in obscurity now, by the way.
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Mythology, particularly the "Cuban Missle Crisis".
Only the President has the authority to launch/use special weapons. I'm sure that the Soviets has a similar system. No mere Colonel is going to "launch".
The Cuban situation was entirely a question of Maritime Power Projection. Read Mahan, the Soviets didn't have a blue water navy.
Posted by: Casca at August 24, 2006 09:15 PM (2gORp)
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Iran is never going to admit they have the bomb, unless some great sea-change in political affairs occurs. Their whole public stance, both domestically and internationally, is that they want to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes, that this is their right under the NNPT, that the "forces of world arrogance" want to stop the technological development of the Iranian nation in order to maintain hegemony, that the supreme leader has issued a fatwa banning WMDs, etc., etc.
Posted by: mitchell porter at August 24, 2006 09:24 PM (shx+O)
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The bomb is useless unless, A) people know you have it so it can affect their behavior towards you (c.f. Israel), or B) you use it on somebody (c.f. USA).
Posted by: annika at August 24, 2006 09:41 PM (qQD4Q)
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Israel's public policy is neither to confirm nor deny that they have nukes, but everyone presumes that Israel has them, perhaps several hundred, and so they have a deterrent. Iran's public policy is to deny that they even want nukes, but clearly they are not very far from having them if they want them, and so a similar potential for deterrence from ambiguity exists. I don't know what their actual strategic thinking is, but meanwhile, the Iranian government is accumulating domestic political capital from nuclear nationalism, framed as an issue of energy, technology, and sovereignty. Also recall that their tactics against Israel are political as well as military. They will neither abandon enrichment, nor do anything to deliberately indicate that they are actually building a bomb; they have way too many other tactical options to want to play that card in the foreseeable future.
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Presumably, the Soviets had a system in which political leadership had to approve any launch; however, given the very short time windows for making the decision, the manner in which the situation was framed by the military, and their recommendation, would likely have a determining effect. If the message is "the Americans have launched dozens of Minutemen and we need to respond" the outcome is likely to be very different from "we're seeing strange patterns from America and think it is probably a technical problem."
Posted by: david foster at August 25, 2006 07:17 AM (/Z304)
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Casca,
My understanding of the situation in Cuba was that the local commander had the authority to use field nukes if we invaded. McNamara attested to this in his book and admitted that at the time of the decision nobody on our side was aware of fact that the field nukes were even in Cuba. I'd rather not say who but i have had conversations with a player at that table.
Posted by: strawman at August 25, 2006 12:36 PM (tuy00)
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Having spent a little time inside Cheyenne Mountain, I need to correct Casca a bit. That is, unless things have changed in the last five years or so.
When a launch is detected anywhere in the world, there is a short period (just a few minutes)in which they can determine from the ballistics exactly where the weapon is headed. A Bird or equivalent is on site at all times
There is a Four Star within minutes of Cheyenne who heads into the command center and within yet a few minutes more they have the President and the Prime Minister of Canada on the telephone.
It's been a while, but I think the whole sequence is @20 or 21 minutes. Then, I believe it takes both the President and the Prime Minister to jointly approve retalitory launches.
I always wondered what the Four Star would do if the President ordered the attack and the Prime Minister didn't agree.
Posted by: shelly at August 26, 2006 07:34 AM (ZGpMS)
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"Having spent a little time inside Cheyenne Mountain." Was that Cheyenne Mountain the porn star? I assure you Shelly, as you know, most 4-stars know who they work for.
As for McNamara, the man is a fucking liar whose every utterance is a defense of his craven incompetent behavior as SecDef. He's got a lot of blood on his hands, and he knows it.
A lot of the cold war nuclear hand-wringing was based on cultural misunderstanding on both sides. Once Stalin was out of the picture, the Soviets entered the world of modern bureaucracy, and while they had an interest on playing on the world stage, like all professional militarys, they had no interest in actually turning the cold war hot in a big way.
Posted by: Casca at August 26, 2006 12:39 PM (2gORp)
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Casca,
Are you talkingto me?
I agree he is a man of perfidy and deceit ( I would also venture that were you and I to have the opportunity to hang him it would be for two completely different bills) but the facts of the Cuban situation I mentioned were not put into evidence by him. He was responding to recent documents that the russians released and Bill was only cementing your opinion of himself by admitting "I had no idea....." the field nukes were there and that they were to be used.
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A Lengthy And Perhaps Unnecessary Post Of Dubious Mathematical Merit To Illustrate Something You Probably Already Know
Guys like Chuck Hagel and David Gergen seem to think that talking to the Iranians will prevent them from joining the nuclear club. It's a crazy idea, and I don't understand why so many notable people have put their faith in this silly course of action.
Iran is presented with a finite number of choices and outcomes, which can be easily and logically analyzed. At the end of any honest analysis, you can see that it is simply not in the mullahs' interest to negotiate away their nuclear arms program. Therefore it's logical to assume that they won't, not only because they have repeatedly said they won't, but also because the best possible course of action from Iran's point of view (regardless of whether they are rational or irrational actors) is to continue their program until they get the bomb.
It's like simple math.
Assume three possible outcomes available to Iran from the current state of negotiations.
Outcome ON: Iran gets a nuclear weapon.1
Outcome OI: Iran gets a package of incentives from the West.
Outcome OS: International sanctions imposed on Iran, most likely a combination of economic and diplomatic restrictions.
Assume that the Iranians desire outcomes O
N and O
I, and wish to avoid outcome O
S.
Although it's not essential to my analysis, you may also assume that the West2 wishes to prevent outcome ON, but also that the values of outcomes OI and OS are variable and uncertain, due to dissention within the West.
Now at first glance, one can see two alternative courses of action for Iran that are obvious.
Course of action CA1: Iran refuses to abandon its nuclear enrichment program, rejects all efforts at compromise, and continues working until they get the bomb.
Course of action CA2: Iran abandons its nuclear program in exchange for the package of incentives offered by the West.
If Iran takes course of action CA
1, they give up outcome O
I. On the other hand, if Iran takes course of action CA
2, they give up outcome O
N. Therefore the Iranians must decide between the following values (remembering that O
S is a negative value):
CA1 = ON - (OI + OS)
or alternatively,
CA2 = (OI + OS) - ON
Those equations demonstrate that the West needs to make the value of their carrot+stick package equal to or greater than the value of an Iranian nuclear bomb. Thus, if (O
I + O
S) > O
N, then CA
2 > CA
1. If true, Iran should then choose CA
2. Even if the values were exactly equal, Iran would probably choose CA
2, simply for the sake of peace and goodwill.
However, we live in the real world and we all know that the value of a nuclear weapon to the country that possesses it far outweighs the value of any combination of incentives or sanctions the West could possibly offer. Especially if said country has already expressed its desire to wipe a hated enemy off the map, and has recently sent weapons, including rockets, missiles and drones to a proxy army fighting said hated enemy as recently as this month.
Given the above, one would assume that Iran would pursue course of action CA1, but as we have seen, they continue to pay lip service to the negotiation track, CA2. Are they really pursuing course of action CA2? Not if CA1 > CA2! What then, are they doing?
Perhaps there is a CA3, a third course of action that would tempt Iran with the opportunity to gain outcomes ON and OI at the same time without incurring any sanctions.
CA3 = (CA1 + CA2) = (ON + OI) - OS
Remember O
S is a negative value, so the above equation simplifies to:
CA3 = (ON + OI + OS)
A hefty sum indeed! Perhaps Iran believes it can have it all by simply agreeing to a compromise, while secretly pursuing the holy grail of enrichment
a la North Korea.
But CA3 contains one flaw: verification. Certainly the West, weak as its negotiating position is, will never agree to deliver incentives without a gauranteed inspection regime. Although the inspections might be watered down, we already know about the Esfahan, Natanz, and Arak facilities, so it would be difficult for the Iranians to refuse access to those sites. Some experts estimate the number of centrifuges necessary at Natanz for a decent enrichment program to be 50,000. That kind of operation would be hard to disguise or relocate.
That's why I think Iran is following another course of action, CA4:
CA4 = (ON x TNT) - (OI - OS)
When multiplied by a factor of sufficient time (T), gained by negotiating tactics (N
T), Iran can ultimately win the big prize: a nuclear bomb. Although they give up the Western incentive package, that loss is offset by the fact that they don't suffer any real sanctions (thus, O
I - O
S). That's because once Iran gets the bomb, sanctions become problematic. Everybody is going to have to kiss their ass then, and the probable severity of any sanctions the fickle West might be able to agree upon (which were weak under the best of circumstances) would shrink in proportion to Iran's newfound leverage.
Course of action CA4 translates into what we've been watching unfold during the past several months. Iran negotiates in bad faith, makes empty promises, renegs, delays, obfuscates, then makes more empty promises, all the while maintaining their research and enrichment activity.
It's possible that a compromise settlement might be reached in the near future, but I seriously doubt it. Iran has repeatedly and unambiguously asserted its intention never to give up its enrichment program (a fact that seems to be lost on many negotiation-fixated politicians and pundits). I take the Iranians at their word, because it's not in their interest to give up the bomb. They've already done the math.
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1. Or, more accurately, Iran successfully gains the ability to domestically produce fissile material for manufacturing nuclear weapons. One can assume that creating delivery systems such as missiles and warheads are less of a problem for the Iranians. These can be purchased, or reverse-engineered by Iranian technicians. But weapons grade plutonium and/or uranium from their own factories are what they need to become a nuclear power, and this is the outcome we need to prevent.
2. i.e. the U.S. and certain allies, to varying degrees.
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Cogent and insightful, and also a good reminder of why I went to law school instead of economics grad school.
Posted by: Leif at August 22, 2006 09:13 PM (CPQ57)
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But CA3 contains one flaw: verification. Certainly the West, weak as its negotiating position is, will never agree to deliver incentives without a gauranteed inspection regime.
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**cough**northkorea**hack**
**wheeze**billclinton**cough**
Posted by: Tuning Spork at August 22, 2006 09:54 PM (LWDw9)
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It's simpler than that... Gergen and Hagel are entirely motivated in every fiber of their being to act in self-interest. Like the Clintons, they are continually trying to position themselves to achieve or maintain power.
What a fucking laugh, Hagel for President. No doubt Gergen sees him as an opportunity to get back inside the Republican tent.
Posted by: Casca at August 23, 2006 06:26 AM (rEC2k)
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Tuning Spork has this nailed: Do we go back to the Clinton/Albright/Carter tactic - which is essentially to cave in, give them what they want, and then have them fuck us in the end; or, do we get a set and tell them to fuck themselves. I'll be very surprised if we do the latter because I'm beginning to think that the fight is out of the Bushies - and at exactly the wrong time. I hope that I'm wrong.
And if the Dems win the mid-terms it just gets worse as you will have cowards and/or incompetents running one branch of government. The thought of people as literally dumb and naive as Pelosi, Boxer, and Reid running anything ought to scare us almost as much as the Muslim whack jobs in Iran and elsewhere.
Posted by: Blu at August 23, 2006 09:18 AM (j8oa6)
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As usual, Russia and China are doing their best to ensure that Iran faces no serious threat of tough sanctions.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear_52
Posted by: Blu at August 23, 2006 09:58 AM (j8oa6)
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Congratulations, you're on track to implementing Effects-Based Planning and Operations.
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj05/fal05/lazarus.html
Posted by: will at August 23, 2006 10:11 AM (h7Ciu)
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Interesting link, Will. Thanks. I have heard a lot of smart people make the argument we have not approached the GWOT as comprehensively as Reagan et al did the Cold War. I'm not certain, however, that we know all that is being done currently - well, that is, when the NY Times isn't blabbing to everybody - whereas we know quite a bit about Cold War tactics.
Posted by: Blu at August 23, 2006 10:35 AM (j8oa6)
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Annika, while your analysis was insightful, I don't believe it was cogent.
An analysis of Iran's negotiating strategy can be boiled down to a simple equation which does not require game theory to solve:
West = Satan
All moves, countermoves, etc. proceed from that premise.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at August 23, 2006 12:37 PM (PTRPR)
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math humor done well is hot
Posted by: Scof at August 23, 2006 01:22 PM (a3fqn)
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Funny stuff. But its Simple just as Emperor says.
Iranian government = evil muslim dicks.
Evil muslim dicks must go boom.
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The damaged and diseased minds of liberals believe:
that all the hurricanes last year prove Global Warming conclusively–as does the complete lack of hurricanes this year.
that the Apollo Landings were fakes made up in Hollywood, but that Global Warming is real.
that the “Living Constitution” must grow, change and adapt to the times–unless the ChimplerHalliburtonRoveDiebold Junta wishes to data-mine 1-900-OSAMA calls.
that Guns in the hands of the passengers of American Flight 11 would have been dangerous.
that taking money from you at the point of a gun to invest in a Social Security Account that you DO NOT own, and pays 2 % interest, is better for your retirement than your 401 k that you DO own and pays 14%.
that a 13 year old girl is old enough to make up their own mind about an abortion, but too young to have a glass of wine with her parents at Dinner.
that the Government is somehow entitled to 55% of the money you manage to save throughout your life, even though the money was ALREADY taxed before you put it in the bank, and the Government has not done a DAMN THING to earn a penny of it.
that teaching children to never touch a gun is bad if it is done by the NRA, but good if it done by a drunk bitch like Sarah Brady.
that Sex education causes abstinence, but Gun education causes violence.
that belonging to a Religion that preaches peaceful tolerance causes intolerance, but belonging to a religion that preaches intolerance is actually tolerant. (Somebody remind me the last time the Presbyterians declared jihad on the Methodists down the street.)
that allowing non-sectarian prayer in school somehow corrupts the kids and forces religion down their throats, but that teaching children about ISLAM (with role playing!) expands their awareness of the world around them.
that Saddam, Kim Jong Il, and Castro were fairly elected, but President Bush was notÂ…
that Hitler and Stalin didn’t disarm citizens, only Jews, Gypsies, gays, unionists and other “undesirables.” (Yes, a liberal member of the MSM actually said this in the Washington Post.)
that good intentions count for more than good results.
that the reason the was on poverty hasnÂ’t succeeded is that 7 trillion dollars is not enough.
that a 20 year old unwed mother of 4 (from 4 different sperm donors) is entitled to a free ride for the rest of her life.
that when a small country is attacked for no reason by one of its neighbors - that has spent the last 58 years trying to obliterate the small country from the map, the small country is NOT allowed to fight back to protect itÂ’s own citizens.
that Mumia is a hero, but that the police officer he murdered in cold blood was an oppressive jackboot of The Man who deserved to be offed, just because he was a cop.
that Washington DCÂ’s low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, but Arlington, VirginiaÂ’s high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is attributable to the lack of gun control.
that the tiniest possibility of library records may be searched is a violation of civil liberties,
but that flying planes into buildings is not.
that being a member of some minority automatically makes one noble or a victim.
that someone too fucking stupid to figure out how a ballot works has the right to decide how to run the country. Retroactively.
that a student’s “Self Esteem” is more important that the correct answer to 2 + 2.
that an Independent campaign run by a liberal incumbent in the NUTmeg state is a conservative conspiracy.
that marriage is an oppressive, soul-killing, stultifying form of indentured servitude and slavery–and must be extended to as many people as possible.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at August 24, 2006 07:25 AM (vElSn)
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Hey, RR, welcome to the (dis)information age!
Posted by: will at August 24, 2006 04:21 PM (h7Ciu)
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Will, you don't think the moonbats on the Left believe much or all of this? I've heard every single one of these sentiments embraced on the Left. If you mean to point out that it is unlikely that every member of the Left believes each of these, well then, hey, you are absolutely right...but, heck, that takes all the fun out the post.
Posted by: Blu at August 25, 2006 11:56 AM (8M2kt)
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Iran's Counter-Offer?
ABC News says Iran has delivered their response to the "package of Western incentives aimed at persuading Tehran to suspend uranium enrichment." Apparently, nobody knows what's in the Iranian proposal yet.
How much you wanna bet it's a "demand for Jizya," or a tax on non-muslims. Just a hunch, but we've already had the "call to Islam," so it's time for step two in Ahmadi-Nejad and the Mullah's 3 step plan for jihad.
Update: When you read stories about today's Iranian proposal (indeed, when you read any story about the current standoff), especially by the Associated Press, I want you to notice one conspicuous omission. The AP is always careful to balance the U.S.'s accusation that Iran wants to build a nuclear weapon with a "fair and balanced" disclaimer like this:
Iran says it wants to master the technology to generate nuclear power.
Or this, from Reuters:
Iran says it will not abandon what it calls its right to enrich uranium for use in nuclear power stations.
Yet, you'll never see the mainstream press include a sentence reminding its readers that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad has repeatedly threatened to "wipe Israel off the map."
One might think that little bit of information would add some important perspective to the story.
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I've been looking for the Mahdi all day. Do you mean to tell me that it's THIS goatstool sample? Mike Wallace has had his Walter Duranty moment. No doubt a Pulitzer is in his future.
Posted by: Casca at August 22, 2006 08:57 AM (rEC2k)
Posted by: Scof at August 22, 2006 12:28 PM (a3fqn)
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The offer is gonna amount to "let's talk some more while we keep developing nucs and you stupid Western assholes keep playing with yourselves."
The pussy Euros will cave and the Russians and the Chinese will make certain nobody does anything that might "incite" the Iranians (cuz you know how much those guys care about the plight of the poor Iranian people.) The US will continue to be impotent in these talks - embracing the motto "speak softly and carry a really, really little stick."
Posted by: Blu at August 22, 2006 01:37 PM (j8oa6)
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CASCA, I found the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, He is running a Stop and Rob near my house and he listens to Hip hop, reads his Koran, and wears a Snakes on a Plane T-Shirt.
His name is Azquief Bin Hussien and he told me the fist Mutha-farker he is going to have beheaded is that ass clown Ahmadenejad for blowing his cover.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 22, 2006 02:22 PM (R+pIN)
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When I convert to Islam, I'll be sure to change my name to Assqueef too.
Posted by: reagan80 at August 22, 2006 04:46 PM (FkdeT)
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Being polite, I could say that the president Ahmadi-Nejad is a bit funny. His unrealistic nuclear ambitions could bring his people to a disastrous situation.
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August 20, 2006
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
From the
New York Times:
A senior Bush administration official said Thursday that he anticipated that the United Nations would move rapidly in September to impose sanctions on Iran if it refused to halt uranium enrichment . . .
Ha ha ha ha ha.
"I think we would want to move very quickly in the first part of September toward a debate in the Security Council about sanctions," he said. "They will be well deserved as this has gone on a long time."
Ha ha ha ha ha.
The resolution passed by the Security Council on July 31 demands that Iran suspend its uranium enrichment and reprocessing work by the end of August or face the possibility of sanctions. It noted the need for “further decisions,” however, before any punishments for noncompliance could be pursued.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
“The will of a lot of countries has been strengthened by watching the Iranian government trying to destabilize both Lebanon and Israel over the last 30 to 40 days,” he said.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
The Iranian government denies that it is seeking to develop nuclear weapons and says its nuclear program is peaceful, for research and energy development.
That is no laughing matter.
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August 19, 2006
My Solution To The Fifth Column Problem
The civilized world is in trouble. At a time when our reputation for getting things done around the globe is in doubt, radical Islam's reputation is gaining steam. Israel just lost its first war, at the hands of a bunch of cowards who hid behind women and children. Only a week after we stopped a major terrorist attack that might have killed over three thousand innocent people, a judge in this very country declared one of the methods used to save those lives is unconstitutional. North Korea probably has a nuclear bomb. Iran will probably get one soon (If they can't make it, what's to stop them from getting one from Kim Jong-il?). The best we can do to stop these madmen is to threaten sanctions that will never be imposed and wouldn't work even if they were.
Anything we do to stop western civilization from spiralling down the abyss is criticized and opposed tooth and nail by a fifth column in our own country. Movie stars who deny that al Qaeda did 9-11; people who call Bush the world's #1 terrorist (forget that, people call me a terrorist!); newspapers that refuse to publicize any wartime successes, while rushing to weaken our ability to defend against our enemies; a Supreme Court that bends over backwards for feces throwing barbarians who would kill untold Americans if only they were set free.
We all know what the problem is. It's Bush hatred syndrome. John Kerry says we should have one-on-one talks with North Korea simply because Bush is persuing multilateral talks. Then he criticizes the administration's foreign policy for excessive unilateralism. Bush is villified for removing Saddam Hussein, which is merely the successful culmination of a policy directive signed by President Clinton. The United States, long criticized for supporting evil dictators, is now told by enlightened leftists that the Iraqi people were better off under Saddam (whom we created anyway?!).
There is one solution I can think of, which could neutralize the anti-Americanism of today's leftist fifth column. We need to neutralize them now because the time to fight for civilization's very existence may be coming sooner than we think. And when the real fight comes, it won't be pretty. This country needs to be free to act without destructive second guessing by those who have a political axe to grind, or who outright sympathize with the enemy. A proper solution is one that will silence anti-American critics, and get everybody working on the same side.
The solution I have devised would allow George W. Bush to maintain the same foreign policy course as he has for the last six years. The only thing he would need to do to silence all his critics is to announce that he is gay. A tearful press conference with his longtime "companion" on his right and Laura on his left should do it. From that point on, anything he does will be golden, in the eyes of the left. Andrew Sullivan might even turn Republican again.
What about the so-called evangelicals, you say? First of all, Bush isn't running in '08, so he doesn't need their vote. And if they're smart, they'll understand the unseen political wink, and not be too upset about it. You know the political wink I'm talking about. It's the same one Democrats give to their own base whenever they talk about "reaching out" to "religious people."
Let's all join in a new political battle cry: "George W. Bush, come out of the closet before it's too late!"
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That's brilliant, Annie.
Posted by: reagan80 at August 19, 2006 06:15 PM (WGl0H)
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He better do it quick too.
Did you all just notice that Kofi I Love Every Terrorist Group I've Met Anan just had the balls to criticize Israel for trying to stop Hez from rearming? Hez has broken the UN agreement from the very first fucking day but Anan waits for Isarel's act of self-defense before uttering a sound. What an undeniable prick that fucker is. As usual, the Right acurately predicts the outcome of yet another ridiculous Left-wing scheme "for peace." It usually goes something like this: The bad guys murder or kidnap or shot rockets or send suicide bombers or Name Your Favorite Cowardly Yet Deadly Act; the Good guys defend themselves; the Left, the MSM, the UN, and the Bad Guys all scream bloodly murder about disproportionate response, "civilian" deaths, give peace a chance, can't we all get along, move along there is nothing to see here, the Jews obviously started it by daring to exist, Islam is a religion of peace, blah, blah, fucking blah. The Good Guys give in (again) and try to abide by another stupid fucking peace deal with the barbarians and the barbarians friends (i.e.the Left, the MSM, the UN, and the Europreans.) The Bad Guys laugh their asses off and begin plotting new ways to kill the infidels, the Jews, the occupiers, blah, blah, fucking blah....
If Western Civ does lose this culture (world) war with the barbarians it's gonna because we were too fucking stupid to realize the enemy means what he says.
Posted by: Blu at August 19, 2006 06:38 PM (K0h0f)
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Blu, we will not lose. It's just a matter of how long it takes to wake up. Trouble is, the longer we wait, the bloodier our victory will be.
Posted by: annika at August 19, 2006 06:53 PM (qQD4Q)
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I'm sorry, Annika, but it didn't work for ex-NJ Governor McGreevey. He had to resign. Unless, unless (yep, I said it twice), GWB and Bill Clinton announce they're in love with each other! We'll be saved, I'll tell ya! The war is over and I'll get to kiss Annika in Times Square.
Sure, I don't know you but you'll still be happy to meet my lips. Just really close your eyes tight and no tongue, please. I'm not a man-slut.
If you turn me down, Andy's beagle will happily take me back. Have some pity.
Posted by: Blake at August 19, 2006 07:23 PM (1B44J)
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No, there is nothing the left hates more than a gay Republican, unless it is a black Republican.
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Posted by: Radical Redneck at August 20, 2006 09:33 AM (vElSn)
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Wouldn't work. To improve the odds, he could also (1)renounce his religion and (2) denounce Israel, but it still probably wouldn't be enough.
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August 17, 2006
Freaks On A Plane
What's worse than snakes on a plane? Crazy
"peace activists" on a plane!
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All of this can easily be explained by a simple typo; she is obviously from
Brainfree, Virginia...
Posted by: will at August 17, 2006 01:09 PM (h7Ciu)
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Nope she's from Vermont, a haven for mental instability of all sorts. Clearly there is a connection between mental illness, and being a liberal fucktard.
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August 16, 2006
Example Of Pro-Terrorist Media Bias #95,788
[part of a continuing series]
I know it's like beating a dead dog over and over again, but I feel like if I don't blog about these things when I see them, people might forget.
Check this article from AP, with the headline: "Iran leader praises Hezbollah resistance."
You will note that nowhere in the article does the word "resistance" appear, which leads one to believe that the editors who wrote the headline chose that word because they think it properly describes what Hezbollah is up to.
I'm not asking for an unbiased media, I just want them to admit that they are on the side of the enemy.
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Nice point, Annika: They went beyond biased a long time ago. I have no doubt they are on the side of the enemy. The MSM proves this on a daily basis. The examples are too numerous and too easy to cite. You could spend hours each day finding headlines like this and stories that are obviously biased.
Posted by: Blu at August 16, 2006 03:16 PM (K0h0f)
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This phrasing is particularly obscene, because the word "resistance" has strong associations with the French Resistance and the other courageous anti-Nazi movements in occupied Europe.
As even an AP editor probably knows, so it's pretty clear that they are doing this consciously.
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And what were they resisting? Since Israel pulled out of Lebanon five years ago!
Posted by: annika at August 16, 2006 06:03 PM (qQD4Q)
Posted by: Leif at August 16, 2006 07:40 PM (CPQ57)
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Another example of media bias is
this current CNN story, the headline is:
Judge rules against Big Tobacco
Far as I know, the only folks I've ever heard use the term "Big Tobacco" are Democratic politicians. Might seem small, but it really does show how they just echo the Dems' talkin point, trying to induce them into our conciousness through editorial slight-of-hand. I mean seriously, "Big" tobacco? A professional editor thought of this headline? Fucking ridiculous.
Posted by: Scof at August 17, 2006 02:48 PM (a3fqn)
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Just once I want to see the term "Big Labor" used in a headline.
Just once.
Posted by: Blu at August 17, 2006 02:55 PM (j8oa6)
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August 15, 2006
Somewhere LBJ Is Groaning, Or Laughing, Or Something...
You all remember the story about LBJ, after he saw Walter Cronkite declare the Vietnam War "unwinnable." He switched off the tv and said, famously:
If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost Middle America.
Well, I wonder what an appropriate George W. Bush quote might be, after reading
Michael Yon, or
Rich Lowry?
Is this a sign that some kind of critical mass has been reached?
Well, at least he's still got Annika.
Update: I think it's important to note that neither Michael, nor Rich have given up on Iraq. I am concerned, though, that Michael Yon has not been able to return to the war zone as he has requested. When Rich Lowry starts to get worried, it's even more important that we have the benefit of Yon's reportage, with his uniquely objective voice. Otherwise the real story will continue to be held captive by a biased or disinterested mainstream media.
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Lowry understands that this war and all the events in the ME must be looked at as a larger war against Islamo-Nazism - regardless whether it is of a Shite or Sunni variety. It is a world war that we must win. It will require changing hearts and minds but also killing a lot of people because our enemy is not sane. Lowry also understands that Iran is the key player. The Bush administration has not handled Iran well in my opinion. In fact, Iran just kicked its butt in the Israel pullout fiasco. It is also a huge factor in Iraq where we know they are arming the militants. Part of me thinks that the Bushies are beginning to give into the endless assault of lies from the MSM and the world-wide Left. (And to a lesser extent the very far, black-helicopter-fearing Right.)
Posted by: Blu at August 16, 2006 10:18 AM (j8oa6)
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There are really two big culprits here, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. As long as the Saudi's continue to fund the radical Wahabist cult and its terror schools all around the world we can have no peace.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 16, 2006 01:35 PM (am+zj)
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When we kick our addiction to oil, we can create a world that will respond to our ideas, as there will be no funding for the crazies; until them we either need to diplomatically change regimes in the other oil rich countries (i.e. Iran, Saudi Arabia and others not as important, but still contributors), or go in and kick their asses as well.
This is a fifty year war if I ever saw one. Glad I don't have to live to see the end of it, either way.
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August 10, 2006
Theory #1
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The prime impetus for modern American liberalism is the opposition to any restrictions on abortion. The prime impetus for European liberalism is anti-semitism.
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At a high level, I find this to be true. However, anti-semitism is creeping into the American Left as well. Were any of you privy to the outburst by Cynthia McKinney's staffer? It was a disgusting anti-semitic outburst. Can you imagine the feigned outrage had this been a white, Christian conservative? But, as we all know, there is a different standard applied in the media for liberals and conservatives and whites and non-whites.
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 10:54 AM (j8oa6)
Posted by: john at August 10, 2006 11:12 AM (SpkYG)
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Maybe. I think it may have to do with the symbolism of power. The ultimate symbol of power, as with kings & queens, has always been the right to kill. Liberals don't approve of killing in the form of capital punishment or warfare, so they are passionate about euthanasia and abortion as a substitute. These things are the female form of the power of life & death; they are the sceptre of the feminist liberal.
I don't think this is always true; some liberals support abortion or euthanasia for reasons which are less dark. But I do suspect that it's pretty common.
Posted by: john at August 10, 2006 11:16 AM (SpkYG)
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Nope. Euro liberalism is based on laziness. Hatred of the Jews is just something to talk about while not working.
Posted by: Bram at August 10, 2006 11:53 AM (x82LV)
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Bram, LOL. That's fucking hilarious. Hope you don't mind if I plagerize at some later date while trying to appear both conservative and witty.
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 12:50 PM (j8oa6)
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There's a germ of truth in there, but the real answer is more complicated. Euro's have a more pronounced Jew-hatred because they're more homogeneous nationally, and probably more susceptable to group-think. Part of our national faith is the blending of many cultures into one, thus not wanting to culturally stand apart from others, and being suspicious of those who do.
Posted by: Casca at August 10, 2006 03:00 PM (2gORp)
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"These things are the female form of the power of life & death; they are the sceptre of the feminist liberal."
Huh? Whatever happened to "money is power"? This sounds awfully close to might makes right. From whence the notion that power is about the right to kill? Power is about whatever it happens to be about. For modern politicians, that's generally a frighteningly disgusting level of greed. Killing people is just a means of getting money, not the other way around.
Feminism and liberalism are far from one and the same. And the notion that anything is a "female form of" anything else is ridiculous. Anything that seems "feminine" about certain causes is only the result of your socialization and bias.
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"These things are the female form of the power of life & death; they are the sceptre of the feminist liberal."
Huh? Whatever happened to "money is power"? This sounds awfully close to might makes right. From whence the notion that power is about the right to kill? Power is about money. For modern politicians, there's generally a frighteningly disgustingly high level of greed. Killing people is just a means of getting money, not the other way around.
Feminism and liberalism are far from one and the same. And the notion that anything is a "female form of" anything else is ridiculous. Anything that seems "feminine" about certain causes is only the result of one's socialization and bias.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at August 10, 2006 03:33 PM (XUsiG)
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Gah, sorry for the double post. Munu was accusing me of spam so I had to try twice. Damn you , Munu!
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Seriously, Munu sucks ass!
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 03:51 PM (LXOfu)
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One major impetus to modern "progressivism" (as its advocates call it) is the emergence of the class I refer to as The Intellectual Lumpenproletariat. These are people who drank the academic kool-aid and got advanced degrees in subjects with poor career prospects. Now they're working in Borders (or equivalent) and they are furious--not at the academics who lured them into making their choices, which might be understandable, but at society as a whole.
Posted by: david foster at August 10, 2006 04:21 PM (/Z304)
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Don't try to apologize your way out of it. That's the fem form of posting.
Posted by: Casca at August 10, 2006 04:22 PM (2gORp)
Posted by: Bram at August 11, 2006 05:30 AM (x82LV)
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I can't comment on Europe, but I can comment on modern liberalism: annika, I think you're being too specific. I think the impetus for modern American liberalism is to not be held accountable for one's own actions. Abortion slides neatly into that definition.
Posted by: Victor at August 11, 2006 06:05 AM (1oGDT)
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You're partly right Victor. The general impetus for modern American liberalism is sexual libertinism. Abortion and contraception are the pillars of the sexual revolution. Without them, personal responsibility become a concrete and necessary thing, not just something to talk about that has no relevance to most people anymore. George Orwell said it way back in... whenever he was writing. I wish I could find the quote. Anyways, he said something like: "the real reason we all joined 'the movement' was sex."
I know it sounds crazy, but it's my theory.
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The prime drivers for the European left are (listed in order of importance):
1. Anti-Americanism
2. Anti-Semitism
3. Passivity towards external threats
Mix those together and you have the left taking some very weird stands.
Posted by: Jake at August 11, 2006 07:39 AM (r/5D/)
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Regarding Europe and anti-Semitism...throughout the early part of the 20th century, in most of Europe anti-Semitism tended to be associated with the Right (cf the Dreyfus affair)...but no question that it has now become a left-wing phenomenon. It would be interesting for someone to trace this evolution.
One operative factor is that the European right tended to be opposed to social mobility across class lines in a way that has rarely been associated with the American right.
Posted by: david foster at August 11, 2006 08:39 AM (/Z304)
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Hmmmm....annika, tossing our two ideas back and forth, I think it might be a bit of a chicken-or-egg thing.
Posted by: Victor at August 11, 2006 09:31 AM (1oGDT)
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Annika,
I think the impetus for zoos or rather the movement that become known as zooism is the tendency all amimals have toward exhibitionism, fish included of course otherwise why would aquariums have been invented.
MAkes about as much sense as your therory of "liberalism"
Posted by: Strawman at August 11, 2006 05:58 PM (G2Zzw)
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actually, i think that zoo theory has a lot of merit!
Posted by: annika at August 11, 2006 06:04 PM (C8Oer)
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I don't believe she posited a "theory." Rather, she suggested an impetus or driving force behind the modern movement of American liberalism. It doesn't explain the movement itself. As a charter moonbat, perhaps you can provide some insight, Straw.
Posted by: Blu at August 11, 2006 07:41 PM (LXOfu)
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bLU,
Modern American Liberalism (MAL) is a position on the political spectrum that was cleared for it by KArl Rove and Co. It only exists as a figment of his and your imagination. THe boys cooked it up as a strawman for what ever ailes America. They made liberal = democrat. It was a clever strategy that had little trouble confusing the essentially uneducated, well maybe they are somewhat educated but easily confused, American electorate. SO, in the RW scheme permissiveness (like thinking it is OK to get blown by interns) became a liberal position since the "liberals" while loathing his behavior, were still defending Clinton sinsce they didn't think sex rose to an impeachable offense but no matter:
LIBERAL=Blowjob lovers (actually not a bad motto but it stood for a denigration of the PRESIDENCY and American decency!)
THey did it again last week when they set up the bougus minimum wage bill they knew could not pass because of the estate tax attachment, but dems voted against the min wage so:
Liberal=no friend of the working man.
They did it with the first vote on Iraq. They had just finished hammering home the nuke card (a lie of course) so the dems would have to vote for the appropriation or
Liberal=welcomes nuclear attack on our nation
The second vote the dems voted against.
liberals=flip flop on security
The RW has this strategy down pat and the dems have been floundering on the deck developing a counter to it.
They say tax cuts spur growth, the schmucks on the plains belive it, dems oppose the estate tax repeal so;
Liberals=no economic growth
ANd on and on.
There is MAL as defined by the R nothing more. A useful tool to construct fallacious positions and then paint you opponants with the belief set and then lob the bullshit. I actually thihk it started with that numb brain Reagan. "There you go again" (being a liberal and btw have you stopped beating your wife Jimmy?)
Posted by: Strawman at August 12, 2006 03:24 PM (G2Zzw)
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Here's a macro econ lesson for ya, Straw: Tax cuts do spur economic growth. I know the truth hurts, but the sooner you accept it, the easier it will be to stomach.
Anyway, pretty inventive post. Bullshit of course, but still well done.
Posted by: Blu at August 12, 2006 06:09 PM (LXOfu)
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Gee Blu,
If this kind of high praise becomes a regular thing I better don knee pads to protect my tired old joints as I genuflect.
Posted by: Strawman at August 13, 2006 11:22 AM (G2Zzw)
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Straw - Arthur Schlesinger Jr used the term "modern american liberalism" in the late 1950s. He stated the ideological roots for "mal" came from Dewey-Veblen:
"a liberal ideology did begin to crystallize, deriving its main tenets from the philosophy of John Dewey and from the economics of Thorstein Veblen. Dewey, with his faith in human rationality and in the power of the creative intelligence, gave this ideological liberalism a strong belief in the efficacy of overhead social planning; and this bent was reinforced by Veblen, who detested the price system and the free market and thought that the economy could be far more efficiently and sensibly operated by a junta or soviet of engineers."
Schlesinger went on to say the New Dealers (Roosevelt democrats) turned the ideological basis to more of a Niebuhr-Keynes basis. You can debate whether Schlesinger's (and others) ideas about Kennedy/LBJ "identity politics" contributed to the liberalism = democrat label, but if you want a boogeyman, try Lee Atwater who effectively turned Dukakis' "I'm a proud liberal" statement against him and the party..
Posted by: Col Steve at August 14, 2006 10:33 AM (pj2h7)
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Col Steve,
I have no doubt that the dem use ruthless and hypocrital tactics to win elections and Atwater's swipe at Dukakis was an attempt to run Duk a bit to teh left of where he wanted his guy to be. All this is in response to the various polls that they get. The true political philosophy of Liberalism, like all rational(or not) but none the less thoughtfull discourses that higher level thinkers put out about how best to goven is really moot when you get into the swamp of electoneering. Phrases and philosophy's are tossed around like popcorn with little or no regard as to the true meaning but only how it plays to the base they are trying to reach.
I stand by all I said about the one dimentionalizing of LIBERAL by the right in an attempt to make the dems squirm under a word that the R has made nearly as corrosive as radical or soclialist was in the 60's or 70's. The politcal philosophies of the right and the middle and the dems and the liberals are far less profound than any one of these groups would have the world believe. I always thought the wise Mr Vidal said it best when he said "America has one political party with two wings." I personally think they all have their heads up their asses but the Republicans always think they see the light at the end of the tunnel and the dems smell it but are happy they didn't step in it.
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"the wise Mr Vidal."
The fact that you used the word "wise" in the same sentence with that idiot would inform even those that have never read one of your posts how far out in Left field you are. Gore Vidal is the "intellectual" version of Michael Moore. Two truly vile people.
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bLU,
DON'T i KNOW HOW TO RATTLE YOUR CAGE.
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Terror Plot Foiled
What is it with these terrorists and the 11th?
I was on a lot of planes during my vacation, and I didn't see a single muslim. Not that that means anything, but I remember noticing it at the time. Usually there's one or two waiting at the gate whenever I fly and I go through the usual mental gyration. You know the one, like this: "oh there's some muslims... I wonder if I should get on the plane... oh no then I'd look like a total racist... I guess they look okay... gee I hope they're not terrorists." Then you get on the plane, nothing happens and you realize you were nervous about nothing. But of course, then something like today's arrests happen.
People are saying this was supposed to be bigger than 9-11. If the plan was to blow up a dozen planes over the ocean, it would have been big. On a scale with 9-11, but it wouldn't have been worse than 9-11. Which makes me think that maybe they were planning to wait until the planes were over the U.S., and detonate the explosives over populated areas. Just a theory.
Or maybe not. Thinking about the whole "fourth generation warfare" thing, it's probably not in the terrorists' interest to "top" 9-11's horror. Ten or twenty planes blowing up over the ocean is evil enough to demonstrate that the terrorists are still there, and that they can still pull shit. It would have been terrible for the victims and their families. People would have been shocked and there would have been political repercussions for sure. But I still don't think it would have been big enough to change certain attitudes which need changing before we can really take care of the problem.
Attitudes like this one:
Do I sound as if I don't believe this alert? Why, yes, that would be correct. I just don't believe it. Read the article. They say the plot had an "Al Qaeda footprint." Ooh, are you scared yet? What that really means is that they found NO evidence whatsoever that the plot had anything to do at all with Al Qaeda, but the plot simply made them think "gosh, this is something Al Qaeda would do." That's what a footprint means. Nice, but no cigar.
Were these guys totally innocent? Probably not. But there's no reason to believe they were any more Osama's right-hand than Jose Padilla, the famed dirty-bomber who I think is now only being charged with jay-walking or something...
That was from a "brilliant" left wing blogger, quoted at Townhall.com, who apparently thinks that "red alert" is only appropriate if there's an al Qaeda plot. I suppose deadly plots by anyone else do not deserve a "red alert," This idiot thinks its a Republican plot to distract from Lieberman's loss. Yes, Lieberman the Democrat. In other words, if Lieberman the Democrat had not lost two days ago, then the Homeland Security Department would not have taken any steps to tighten airline security after the discovery of a plot to blow up airplanes.
You know what, after three plus years of blogging I've learned that I can't argue against such an idiotic theory. People who believe that shit will never be silent, but people will stop listening to them someday.
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I am reading a book called "Menace in Europe." It rates the European countries most likely to create terrorists:
1. United Kingdom
2. Netherlands
3. France
The rating is based up the governments tolerance towards Islamic fascism, Moslem crime rate and Moslem assimilation.
It looks like the book hit the nail on the head this time.
Posted by: Jake at August 10, 2006 09:44 AM (r/5D/)
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First of all, I'll go on record as saying I would love to end all immigration to this country from Muslim countries. Period. I don't care if it sounds racist. I'm past caring about that PC crap. The less of them that are here, the less they can reproduce themselves and their vile religion.
Secondly, the quote falls in line perfectly with the George Soros Left. Each terror plot should be looked at as an individual crime rather than as part of a larger war on Western Civilization. (Ergo, the War on Terror is misguided because there is no larger cultural war going on between the West and Islamo-fascism.) This is the idiocy of the Left and why they must never have control of government. To put it simply, if the Left gains control people will die as a consequence because terrorism simply isn't taken seriously by these people.
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 11:02 AM (j8oa6)
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Ok, the latest from the Lefty blogs and talk shows is that this was all....you guessed it - a hoax. You see, after the Leiberman loss, the Republicans want to really push the idea that the Dems aren't serious about terrorism. (As if they haven't already secured this in the minds of most sane and serious people.) So, with Tony Blair and Pakistan, the Republicans came up with this elaborate hoax that will ultimately reek havoc on the British and American travel industry for days to come and require the promulgation and implementation of new procedures throughout the US and the UK in a very short amount of time. Sure - it makes perfect fucking nonsense. Conspiracy at a global level. What a bunch of idiots.
And if the Reps/Bush really cared so much about whether Lieberman won or lost - (he's going to win the general anyway) - wouldn't they have planned this "hoax" a day before the Lieberman election? These people will say anything because they Left has gone totally nuts. But don't take my word for it, just go check out the Lefty blogs. The moonbats are coming up with more kooky conspiracies at even as you read this post.
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 01:14 PM (j8oa6)
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Keith Olbermann is already trying to lay the foundation for an exaggeration of the plot. He claims on his show that he is going to do a "smell test" as to whether what is alleged is even possible. He also made reference to the Brits having a "horrible" year related to terror. Of course, his goal is to get the viewer to go "hmmm, I wonder if the Brits are just making this up to look good?" And every time the alert level goes up in this country Olbermann insists that Bush only did it to help his approval numbers. The guy is fucking nut-ball. I wonder how many ratings points he lost when I switched over to FOX?
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 05:12 PM (LXOfu)
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Olbermann's ratings are probably equivalent to Air America's.
It might be comparing apples & oranges, but they are both still rotten.
Posted by: reagan80 at August 10, 2006 05:40 PM (dFOlH)
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Don't know where to post this comment - this seemed as good as any.
I'm sickened by the news of the truce. How do you all spell surrender? Since when do terror groups get treated like nations at the UN? Oops, I forgot that I was talking about the UN - where Israel is a terroist group and semi-humans like Hamas and Hez are treated like civilized nations.
I NEVER have been this disapointed by the Bush Administration. How cowardly has the West become?
Posted by: Blu at August 12, 2006 07:24 PM (K0h0f)
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oH bLU,
I'm sorry you are feeling so glum. It is truely a sad day when the nations of the earth attempt to put an end to violence and murder. So terribly sad. It breaks my heart to see the Lebanese people going back to their towns. And I am grief stricken over the Israeli's leaving their bomb shelters. SUch cowardice from our stalwart leader. So much good could have been accomplished if the Lebanese civilians could have been left outside when winter arrived. Then they would know just what Hezbollah could do for them. I will miss seeing those Beriut apartment blocks demolished each morning as I rise and those emotional Jews rocking back and forth while their dead 20 year old sons and daughters are lowered into the earth. That's some good stuff and it will surely be missed.
I'm with you Blu: some quasi-governmental group steals two of my guys to arrange a prisoner exchange, like they have before, fuck'em this time. Blow their, oh I guess it isn't their country, but blow it up anyway. Dams, bridges, water pumping facilities, airports, apartment buildings, gas stations, all of it! OUR CITIZENS ARE PRECIOUS! They must understand!
Ya, know blu, it reminds me of the situation with Japan at the end of the war. If we had five or seven A bombs I bet we could have doubled the number of GI's we saved by not invading. In fact we might have caused the resurrection of a few thousand sailors from Pearl. If the Israeli's could have continued bombing and invaded Lebanon with an occupying force I'll bet in the next ten years at least 1000 fewer than the unknown number of Jews that terrorists would kill, won't be killed by terrorists. That's the kind of math that wins Fields Medals, fuck that Russian (Jew) nut and the frog conjecture. I think GB should get the Fields for the "metrics" he calculated for the Iraqi's that would have been killed by Saddam since 91 and the number killed to save them. I think by now the ratio is about 10 killed to save one who might have been killed. That's some fine Texas calculating if you ask me. Who cares about reducing space and surface to a point and whether it is a sphere, too ethereal for me. I want to know the height of two piles of Iraqi dead. The actual ones we have buried and the pile of those Saddam might have killed. maybe we could divide it by the height of the pile of the ballots cast in the election or better yet we could divide by the height of the pile of hundred dollar bills that were allocated for reconstruction but only lined peoples pockets. We could arrive at a number with the units: graft dollars per dead Iraqi/saved Iraqi. I am sure there is a Fields Medal for George in here somewhere!
Blu I sympathize with your exasperation, I really do.
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Strawman, I get your argument, but I don't believe this cease fire will hold. It's already crumbling, and not from the Israeli side.
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From the AP: "'After the Holocaust was questioned by the president, now I have real doubts about it,' said Maryam Zadkani, a 23-year-old graphic artist as she wandered around the exhibition."
This is what you don't get, Straw. Your side has never understood human nature or evil and that is why you are wrong about this and nearly all the big questions regarding foreign policy.
"...nations of the earth attempt to put an end to violence and murder."
What a joke. I laughed when I read that inane BS. Yeah, you end violence and murder by ensuring the instigators of violence and murder are in control and can claim victory. Only a Left-wing whack job could see this as "putting an end to violence and murder." In case you didnÂ’t' get the memo, Straw, Hez now has more control of S. Lebanon than before the war. This is their country - or I should say that it is now Iran and Syria's country. And thank goodness those "peacekeepers" will be there to keep things safe for Iran and Syria.
Hez will not disarm. They have already broken the truce agreement in their refusal. What a big fucking surprise - Muslims don't keep their word. And the U.N. et al will pretend it never happened. (Kinda like the great oversight with "Oil for Food.") You think the cowards that make up the governments of France and Lebanon are going to insist that their armies disarm Hez? How soon, Straw, before your friends from Syria and Iran begin rearming them. (I say friends because I'm certain that any friend of Chavez is a friend of yours. And we all know how he loves his fellow Western-hating fanatics.)
And it's not about kidnapping "two of my guys to arrange a prisoner exchange.” Is that really the range of your moral compass? It IS about an endless stream of violence from these semi-humans. It never ends. Israel abides by “world opinion” and gets out of Lebanon and what does it get? Hez kidnapping its people (really it was Iran but Hez did their bidding.) It's the same story over and over again no matter the location. Israel had every right to carpet bomb Lebanon. Lebanon allowed all this to happen because it was too cowardly to run Hez out of the South. What don't you get, Straw? Is Israel just supposed to sit their and say "yeah, come kidnap my citizens, send over your suicide bombers, and while you are at it, send some rockets our way too and make certain you aim at civilians if possible. We'll just sit here and play with our collective Johnson while you guys try to wipe us off the map."
Straw, you are a moral adolescent. You consistently manage to take the wrong side on all the important battles. Whether you are standing with the barbarians of Islam or the barbarians of Communism, you always manage to pick the side that hates America, the West, and the side that wants to end our way of life. More importantly, however, you choose the side that consistently devalues individual, political, and economic freedom. You seem to prefer those that would enslave people. What does that tell us about you?
I must respectfully disagree with Annika: You have no argument. Or the one your present is a pathetic joke provided by a moral relativist with no sense for the distinction between right and wrong and good and evil. Not all deaths are equally tragic, Straw. Not all human “civilizations” are equally as valuable. Pick a side, Straw. (Actually, you already have.)
Regarding your comment about Japan: Are you really too stupid or historically ignorant to figure out that the bombs we dropped on Japan saved more of their people than ours? Again, you misunderstand the enemy.
And regarding the “piles” of Iraqi dead: Hmmm, let me see if I get this: In Straw's world, we equate the Hussein death squads to the deaths of people fighting for their freedom and to ensure a democratically elected government is able to withstand an Iranian-backed insurgency? Yeah, Straw, I want to live in your world. We could all carry around our little red books - that is while we are not kneeling towards Mecca to pray.
p.s. Hey, Staw, here's a research assignment: Find out how much money your favorite boogeyman, Halliburton, received from the government under Clinton and Carter. I'm sure it was $0 because Halliburton only starting making money during the Bush administration, right?
Posted by: Blu at August 16, 2006 09:46 AM (j8oa6)
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Blu,
I think you should relax, and notice that the forces of Islam are not in fact who would be killed if they carpet bombed Leb. Truely, more young men would as a result, take up arms and willingly give their life to avenge the assult.
I am not actualy on their side, never have been and have only expressed sympathy for the deaths of non combatants. I know you see acquiescing as tacit support and therefore deserving of death. I just can't make that equation but it does not mean that I support the goals of HEz. Whatever has given you that idea? Just because I don't think carpet bombing Lebanon into dust is a nice idea?
WE disagree on tactics not goals. I am not as sure as you that the solution to this threat is an outright assult. Too many moslems in the world, not all of them are sympathetic to the Islamists and being more brutal and crueler than you ememy does not get you a place at the table where a good life is being laddled out.
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If our differences are only tactical, then I clearly have not read you well. I'll take you at your word.
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Fourth Generation Warfare
There's an excellent article in Sunday's
San Francisco Chronicle regarding a subject I tried to write about
here. The subject is "fourth generation warfare."
The question I asked, and which the Chronicle article addresses, is this: How does a state fight against a non-state in a new era of warfare in which non-states seem to have the advantage?
Look at Hezbollah. It used to be that the side with the most casualties was the loser. It used to be that the side who was forced to give up ground to an opponent was the loser. But as we've seen in the Israeli-Hezbollah war, the world has entered a new era of warfare in which every casualty suffered on the side of the non-state combatant becomes a weapon to be used against the state combatant.
In this new type of warfare, it behooves Hezbollah (and those particular Iraqi insurgents whose goal it is to end the U.S. "occupation") to maximize casualties on their own side of the fence. What we have is a war of attrition in which one side sacrifices its own citizens in order to obtain a strategic goal by non-military means, i.e. by propaganda.
Chronicle staff writer Matthew Stannard provides a more detailed description of "fourth generation warfare:"
A use of all available networks -- political, economic, social and military -- to convince enemy political leaders that their strategic goals are either unachievable or too costly to achieve.
A lack of clearly defined conditions, including beginning and end, victory or defeat, peace or war, civilian and combatant. Modern wars of this type tend to last for years as conflict surges and ebbs and moves between political, military and other battlegrounds.
Antagonists are organized more as sprawling, "leaderless" networks than as tight-knit hierarchies.
At least one side is something other than a military force organized and operating under the control of a national government -- a force that appears widely dispersed and largely undefined, lacking bases, centers of power and other traditional points of assault. These groups tend to seek to use their opponents' size, power and legitimacy against them.
An emphasis on high technology that allows small organizations to asymmetrically attack larger ones -- for example, availability of weapons of mass destruction, tools of electronic warfare or easy access to global media for purposes of propaganda.
Fascinating stuff. I'm reminded of the revolution in warfare brought about by the invention of the "minie" ball around the time of the American Civil War. Military tacticians did not catch up with that sea change until the end of the First World War. And by then there was a whole third dimension to battle that needed to be understood: air power.
What we've seen with "fourth dimensional warfare" is a completely new way for weak opponents to attack and beat strong opponents. I would say this is one of the lessons of Vietnam, and like the "minie" ball revolution, military planners are slow to recognize that the rug has been pulled out from under them. It is especially important that we get a handle on this problem now, because the Cold War is over and we are going to be fighting Hezbollahs and al Qaedas for the forseeable future.
What concerns me is that, in the battle of civilizations called the "War On Terror," the thing that makes us civilized is the thing that makes us weak -- our compassion. When your enemy is uncivilized, and has no concept of compassion, it's hard to win if you're swayed by world opinion.
My thesis is that we cannot win under these new rules. Only a return to the more brutal methods of World War II can beat these non-state actors and their principals (Iran, Syria). But we can't resort to those older methods unless we abandon our aversion to civilian casualties. And I don't see that happening absent a horrific über-9-11 as a catalyst.
Which is why I ended my last post on the subject with that cryptic and ominous final sentence.
h/t Belmont Club
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I was all ready to beotchslap u, until you reached your conclusion. Well done grasshopper. It's gonna be ugly when we take the gloves off, and that day be a'commin.
Posted by: Casca at August 09, 2006 02:42 PM (2gORp)
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You are right, Annika. Unfortunately, 50% of America and more than 50% of Europe live in Fantasy Land, where if you just "talk," or "negotiate," or "understand" the enemy, all will be good. This idiocy is going to get a lot of civilized people killed while the barbarians continue to storm the gates.
Today is the 61st Anniversary of the bombing Nagasaki. Lives were saved and a way of life ensured because we had the courage necessary to make the price too high for our enemies. I hope we don't have to lose another 3,000 citizens before we understand the reality of today and our enemy.
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The Chronicle and you forget one important element, Annika. That warfare cannot work without the cooperation, collusion and encouragement of Western media,
No one stages a propaganda event unless the media is willing to cover it the way the propagandist desires. If the media ignores the event or critically reports on the event, the events soon disappear.
The way to end this type of warfare is to convince the media to develop some ethics and put an end to their bloodlust.
Posted by: Jake at August 09, 2006 03:28 PM (r/5D/)
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Jake,
Excellent point. Thanks for bringing it up. Michelle Malkin has done an amazing job of late cataloging examples of MSM distortion (e.g. Reuters photo manipulation). It is tough to win a war when your own media is clearly cheerleading for the jihadists.
Posted by: Blu at August 09, 2006 03:44 PM (LXOfu)
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Jake, that's not going to happen. We have to assume that the mainstream media is lost for the forseeable future.
Posted by: annika at August 09, 2006 03:45 PM (zAOEU)
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Annika:
I guess I agree with you. Media ethics is an oxymoron.
Posted by: Jake at August 09, 2006 04:47 PM (r/5D/)
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You are right, we have to get savage to win this type of war.
In fact I believe the following; War should be "nasty, Brutish, and short." Immigrants should be "safe, legal, and rare" and Liberals should be "Stopped, dropped, and rolled".
Posted by: kyle8 at August 09, 2006 05:12 PM (bYW7A)
Posted by: annika at August 09, 2006 06:00 PM (qQD4Q)
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Ain't it a shame that while we drop th e bomb on Iran (OK, Israel will do it for us) and level Iran and Syria to parking lots, we can't assemble the entire maintream media to cover it, and send them a love package as well?
Casca, the gloves are coming off, and soon. The next attack by the IslamoFascists will turn the tide, and the Bushies will use it to clean house.
Hell, they've got my vote now. Why wait?
Posted by: shelly at August 10, 2006 01:11 AM (BJYNn)
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We're just waiting for the baptism of Carlo & Connie's baby.
Posted by: Casca at August 10, 2006 06:17 AM (rEC2k)
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Do you guys really think another terror-attack like 9/11 will wake up the Liberals, the MSM, the rest of the free-world?
I think they're committed to their warped view of the world where the U.S. and President Bush are to blame for everything, and the solution to all of the world's ills are negotiations, cease-fires, and humanitarian aid.
You underestimate just how stupid liberals are, like they underestimate just how dangerous Islamofacism is.
Posted by: Rob at August 10, 2006 07:08 AM (9DumO)
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Maybe the word "stupid" was too harsh.
Let me change that to "misguided."
Posted by: Rob at August 10, 2006 07:10 AM (9DumO)
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Annie - Don't buy into this 4GW theory. First, there is a substantial difference between a theory of wafare (like 4GW) and tactics in conducting warfare.
The generational model is an ineffective way to depict changes in warfare. Simple displacement rarely takes place and significant developments typically occur in parallel. 4GW type tactics as a way of waging war dates back to ancient history, and thus predates the so-called 2d and 3rd generations as described by 4GW theorists. Insurgents, guerrillas, and resistance fighters (pick your term du jour) figured large in many of the wars fought during the age of classical warfare. (The author briefly acknowledges this point and then lets all the other people in the article speak as if somehow today is different)
Increased dispersion and availability of technology, information, and finance brought about by globalization has given terrorist groups greater range of capabilities and access worldwide. Globalization seems to aid the
nonstate actor more than the state, but states still play a central role in the support or defeat of terrorist groups or insurgencies. Could AQ have grown without protection and support from the Taliban government? How effective is Hezbollah without a weak Lebanese government and Syrian/Iranian support? Hamas without a variety of Arab states?
Hamas, Hezbollah, and (to a lesser extent) Al Qaeda actually have integrated themselves into the social and political fabric of mainly Muslim societies worldwide. Hamas and Hezbollah have addressed the every day problems of the people because the existing State has not. Each has also become a powerful political party within their
respective governments. Hamas and Hezbollah
have turned their constituencies into effective weapons by creating strong social, political, and religious ties with them; in short, they
have become communal activists for their constituencies, which have, in turn, facilitated the construction and maintenance of substantial
financial and logistical networks and safe houses. This support then aids in the regeneration of the terrorist groups and allows states to network with them.
The one point Hammes has right is these conflicts are proxy wars due to larger state issues. Credible threats to take out the Syrian and Iranian regimes and credible assurances to bolster the Lebanese government would do far more to reduce Hezbollah than unfortunately what Israel can do at the moment.
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Seen in that light, Col. Steve, then one of the most criticized statements of President Bush "You are either with us or you are with the terrorists" becomes one of the wisest things he's ever said.
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"Credible threats to take out the Syrian and Iranian regimes and credible assurances to bolster the Lebanese government would do far more to reduce Hezbollah than unfortunately what Israel can do at the moment."
Yeah, what Col Steve said!
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Recommended Reading
Blu sent me the following. It's a commentary by Israeli journalist Ben Caspit for the newspaper Ma'ariv, written in the voice of Ehud Olmert. So far as I can tell, it is
not an actual speech by Olmert, just something Caspit wishes Olmert had the guts to say.
I thought it was so good, I'm reprinting it in its entirety.
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"Indeed, it is more than likely that many of the civilian casualties being repeatedly mentioned in the media are in fact Hezbollah fighters killed while hiding in civilian clothes. This does not excuse Israeli mistakes that have undoubtedly cost the lives of genuinely innocent civilians, but exaggeration and Hezbollah tactics of mixing combat fighters among civilians clearly accounts for a fair percentage of the lives lost so far," reports
Asia Times.
'Mothers tell your children not to grow up and date Nasrallahs.' I guess there was a dearth of Southern mother's in Lebanon. Pity.
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In the aftermath of the Reuters photo meltdown, wherein photographs taken by a freelancer were doctored for political effect, it might be a good time to note that the most compelling independent evidence of the alleged Haditha atrocities are .... photographs taken by a freelancer.
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Now We Know Why They Doctored The Photo
You may have been following the Reuters doctored photo controversy. If not,
Beth has a great rundown.
Of course, my sources here at annika's journal came through for me again. Now we know why Reuters photographer Adnan Hajj felt the need to doctor the original photograph. Open the extended entry to view the original.
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Oh no, it's the poor bear again!
Posted by: Tammy at August 06, 2006 04:09 PM (u9OGS)
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How dare you insult the Prophet of Satan, Muhammad (Pigs Be Upon Him).
Posted by: Marvin at August 06, 2006 05:39 PM (8a22E)
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This is just for you, Marvin.
http://mohamsterdance.blogspot.com
Posted by: reagan80 at August 06, 2006 05:43 PM (dFOlH)
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This is not the original. The original was a AP photo with very little smoke. You can see it on Little Green Footballs.
Knowing Reuters, it is very possible he had to Photoshop this picture to keep his job
Posted by: Jake at August 06, 2006 07:24 PM (r/5D/)
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I'm sure this sort of stuff doesn't surprise most of the readers here. Typical MSM. Why not doctor photos when you are already doctoring the stories. Big explosions, every possible anecdote about "civilian" casualties, and, of course, Israel's "disproportionate response" is pretty much the guaranteed story line.
Posted by: Blu at August 06, 2006 07:32 PM (LXOfu)
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yeah it doesnt. jahway put down baal, same group of folks. Samuel exterpated baal's supportors. Go forward Israel.
Posted by: patrick at August 06, 2006 09:18 PM (DtkPs)
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sorry patrick that was me Jake.
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Now, just think of how many shennanigans the MSM indulged in and got away with back in the old days when there was no alternate media?
Posted by: kyle8 at August 07, 2006 03:12 AM (tRsnh)
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Did any of you read that the Clinton News Network (aka CNN) is using imagery created by the Al-Manar network, the network owned and operated by Hezbollah? I'd also like to know if the MSM has has single story on the affect of thousands of Hez rockets (specifcally intended to kill real civilians)on Israel's children. (This comment and question are both derived from a guest post on the HH blog.) How many times will the MSM be fooled by Muslim propoganda? I'm willing to bet you won't see FOX News busting out BS imagery provided by terrorist propoganda machines.
Posted by: Blu at August 07, 2006 09:12 AM (j8oa6)
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Just in case you'd like to know, I'll give you my prognostication on the Lamont/Lieberman race. Stick a fork in him, Lieberman is done. Now, can
Alan Schlesinger make Ned look like the kook he is?
Posted by: Casca at August 07, 2006 12:13 PM (rEC2k)
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Jeez, Casca, I wish you were right, but Joe will walk away with this race in the General, running as an Independent.
What distresses me is that he'll organize with the D.'s anyway. But no way to elect a R. in Connecticut, the East's answer to San Francisco.
Posted by: shelly at August 07, 2006 10:22 PM (BJYNn)
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great site.. you redneck punks should go to college after you wash up this year...
we should strip you from your citizenships :p
Posted by: sam cassidy at August 10, 2006 04:42 AM (KWSP7)
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lame site. minds like these create wars. you guys are the real terrorists
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August 05, 2006
Violence Begets Violence, The Macro View
Wikipedia has a list of ongoing wars:
Basque Terrorism in Spain; Colombian Civil War; Islamic Insurgency in the Philippines; Somalian Civil War; Tamil conflict in Sri Lanka; Shining Path Insurgency in Peru; Papua New Guinea Civil War in Indonesia; Turkish-Kurdish conflict; LRA rebellion in Uganda; Casamance Conflict in Senegal; Somali Civil War; Myanmar Civil War; India-Pakistan Kashmir conflict; Georgian Civil War; Algerian Civil War; Ethnic conflict in Nagaland, India; Zapatista Rebellion in Mexico; Nepalese Civil War; Second Congo War; Ituri Conflict; Second Chechen War; al-Aqsa Intifada in Israel and the Palestinian Territories; Laotian-Hmong Civil War; Taliban Insurgency in Afghanistan; Côte d'Ivoire Civil War; South Thailand insurgency; Iraqi Insurgency; Balochistan conflict in Pakistan; Waziristan War between Pakistan and al Qaeda; Darfur conflict; Chadian-Sudanese conflict; Western Sahara Independence Intifada; and the Israel-Lebanon crisis.
I made some changes to Wikipedia's list, which was overinclusive. Obviously, the wars that are most relevant to us are the Iraqi Insurgency, the Taliban Insurgency, the so-called Waziristan War, and the Israel-Lebanon crisis. But the main thing one gets from looking at the 33 conflicts listed is that the majority of them involve nation states fighting against irregular armies or guerrillas.
In armed conflict between nations and guerillas, the advantages of a nation state are easy to name. They are usually better equipped and better trained. They have professional leadership. They can form alliances with other nation states to obtain resources such as weapons and intelligence, if not actual military assistance. Their status as a recognized state confers a measure of legitimacy to their actions that guerillas do not have, at least initially.
The weakness of guerrilla forces are similarly obvious. In comparison to national armed forces, guerrillas are usually outnumbered. Their access to advanced weaponry is limited or non-existent. They usually lack formal training and professional leadership. They must operate in secret, which hampers their ability to communicate among themselves and their allies, and to obtain and store weapons and supplies.
However, guerrilla forces have distinct advantages over national armed forces. They usually do not wear uniforms, and when not in actual combat can remain in close proximity to their opponent, safely disguised as civilians. Guerrillas are by definition committed to their goal, and thus have the luxury of time. They do not have to answer to indifferent political forces back home, which can be a great advantage in a war of attrition. As Mao once said: The enemy advances, we retreat. The enemy camps, we harass. The enemy tires, we attack. The enemy retreats, we pursue.
And now, the latest Israeli-Lebanon conflict has thrown the weakness of nation states vis-a-vis guerrilla forces into sharp relief. Hezbollah's strategy has been to exploit the political weakness of Israel and its ally the United States. That weakness has been an unwillingness to suffer the opprobrium of world opinion, and that weakness has to date proved decisive.
The war in Lebanon is not over, but it looks like a cease fire is inevitable. If it comes to pass, no one should have any doubts about the permanency of the cease fire. It will not be permanent. How can it be when one side remains committed to the complete destruction of its opponent and the other side is committed to its own survival?
I have always said that there are two sure-fire solutions to the decades long Middle East Conflict. The first would be for all the various Palestinian groups to lay down their arms and adopt non-violent protest as their philosophy. That's a subject for another entire post, but I truly believe that a Gandhi style rebellion in the Palestinian territories would result in a fully independent Palestinian state within probably five years, maybe less. It will never happen because the Palestinian terrorist leadership doesn't really care about independence; they only care about killing Jews.
The second sure-fire solution recognizes the fact that the Palestinian leadership wants the conflict to continue because that enables them to keep killing Jews, which is their reason for existence. The second solution is to allow both sides to fight each other until one side wins. That means no cease fire, no brokered agreement, no cessation of hostilities, no UN peacekeeping force. Fight until one side surrenders.
We all know that if Israel were allowed to engage in Clausewitzian total war against its enemies, Israel would win. The Palestinian terrorists know this too. That's why Hezbollah and Hamas try to walk a fine line. They goad Israel into attacking, then cry foul when Israel responds. A cease fire is imposed and the terrorists bide their time until the next intifada. The enemy advances, we retreat. The enemy camps, we harass. The enemy tires, we attack. The enemy retreats, we pursue.
The trouble with the total war solution is its ugliness. Since World War II, the civilized world has not had the stomach for civilian casualties on a large scale. Every civilian death is now "regrettable," which is a new phenomenon in the history of the world.
Civilians have always died in war. Before the modern era, civilians were targeted directly. The ancients knew that pillaging was part of war. Victors from Genghis Khan to Napoleon put whole villages to the sword, simply for the crime of having been on the other side of a line on a map.
Did people protest these atrocities? Sure. Its not that people didn't think this type of warfare was unfair to the innocent. They did, but people had different expectations than we do nowadays. If Napoleon burned your town and his troops raped your wife and killed your kids, you didn't complain to Napoleon. You complained to your king, and then he went over there and kicked Napoleon's ass.
It was all about tribalism in the old days. You belonged to a tribe, and the other guy belonged to his tribe. If the other guy did something bad to your tribe, you expected and demanded that your tribe would retaliate by doing something bad to his tribe. That was understood as justice.*
In more recent times, our rationale for killing civilians moderated a bit, even if the number of dead civilians seemed to go up. During World War II, while the Japanese, Germans and Russians were committing acts of barbarism against civilians on the ground, we held ourselves to a different standard. We killed civilians too, but we did it from afar. And we killed a lot of them. Almost a million German civilians died from strategic bombing, and a similar number of Japanese with them. That was total war, and along with all those corpses it produced a clear victor, and a lasting peace.
I started out by remarking how many of the conflicts going on in the world are between guerilla movements and nation states. I'm trying to understand why, in an age when B-2 bombers from Missouri can attack an unseen enemy 7000 miles away in Afghanistan, yet we're not able to defeat a bunch of punks armed with homemade bombs in Baghdad. One fine morning in 1967, the Israeli Air Force destroyed the entire combined air forces of three sovereign nations. Yet here we are in 2006, about to watch a band of criminals shooting glorified bottle rockets claim victory over the vaunted IDF.
I'm sure there's lots of guys working in thinktanks and war colleges whose job it is to figure these things out, but so far I haven't seen nor heard of any effective way to fight guerrillas other than by total unrestricted warfare — which we won't do. How do you counter the weighty advantage they've claimed for themselves by co-opting the machinery of world public opinion? How do you beat an enemy that has perfected the use of civilian deaths both offensively and defensively, if your one achilles heel is the fear of civilian deaths?
America has fought against guerrilla forces in the past. We did it successfully during the Plains Indians Wars and the Philippine Insurrection. We were unsuccessful during Vietnam, although the ugliness of our methods was similar in all three wars. And that's the point. We can't fight and win against a guerrilla enemy unless we do so in a brutal manner. And even then, the outcome is not certain.
To win, the enemy needs to know that violence begets violence. They need to know that if they mess with our tribe, we will mess with theirs and we won't be deterred if things get ugly and innocent civilians die. But the reality is something completely different, because in fact we are deterred by civilian casualties. In fact, we are fighting two wars and a nominal war on terror with the express handicap that we will do everything to avoid harming civilians as much as possible.
That's the situation, and that's why we're still in Iraq. The administration's policy is not to become more brutal, which could win victory but would turn the world against us. (Even more than they already have, that is.) Instead the administration's ultimate goal is to prepare an Iraqi security force to fight the guerrilla war. In truth, our plan is to pass the buck to the Iraqis. It's the only solution, if one recognizes the fact that the world is not in a place where it will accept brutality by a nation state in a small-scale war like Iraq.
I suppose that is understandable. I'm not arguing here for total war, indiscriminate killing of civilians, collective punishment, or the adoption of brutality in Iraq. I'm merely trying to point out the reality of our dilemma. We can't do what needs to be done, so we won't do it. The enemy knows this and is smart enough to recognize it as our greatest weakness. They will keep fighting us, and using our weakness against us. We advance, they retreat. We camp, they harass. We tire, they attack. We retreat, they pursue. Follow this line of thought to its logical conclusion and you'll realize something even scarier.
We may end up with total war, whether we like it or not.
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* Nowadays the "world" has a different, some would say more enlightened, definition of justice. Today's justice revolves around preventing the innocent from getting killed. That's fine and dandy, except we don't apply that ideal evenly across the board. There's plenty of dead innocent people around the world who might have argued that our new definition of "justice" didn't do them a whole lot of good.
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If a Democrat had been President, the Iraqi war would have been over in 2004. The MSM, the academic world and the entertainment industry would have supported the war no matter what. That meant that the terrorists would have received no encouragement from the US to continue their slaughter. The terrorists would have given up within a year.
Posted by: Jake at August 05, 2006 04:16 PM (r/5D/)
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Excellent post, Annika.
In the end, I don't know what is going to happen in Iraq. I hope the administration's Iraqi-fication policies work. If we're lucky, we won't have to partition the country into 3 new ethnic/sectarian nations. Strategy Page surmises that the "civil war" won't last very long at this rate if the Sunni Arabs are the only problem.
http://tinyurl.com/oqxqh
The Sunni Arab headhackers used to be the ones that wanted us to get out of Iraq the most, but now they want us to stick around to protect them from their formerly oppressed victims in the majority.
If the ethnic cleansing of Sunni Arabs and a Kurdistan mini-apartheid against Arabs will bring stability to that country, we shouldn't stop it.
Posted by: reagan80 at August 05, 2006 07:06 PM (dFOlH)
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There is one way, just short of scorched earth to fight insurgent/guerilla forces. But it takes time and money. You build up your own insurgent force as secretly as possible and send them out to spy and infiltrate the enemy. At the same time you try to make it as uncomfortable as possible for the local population to harbor the insurgents.
Obviously that approach works best when the terrorists are of the same ethnicity as the nation state. It would be more difficult for Israel for instance to do the same although it might be worth a try.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 06, 2006 05:58 AM (pkyh4)
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I think Peru was successful by using counter insurgent militias against the communist Shining Path guerrillas. Of course that wouldn't work in Iraq, since militias are part of the problem.
Posted by: annika at August 06, 2006 09:30 AM (qQD4Q)
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Unfortunately, our lack of troops combined with wishful thinking made short shrift of our nonexistent counterinsurgency strategy in the latter part of 2003.
First, there are ways to win counterinsurgencies and it's done all the time. The key is to make life very difficult for the insurgents and life comparatively better for those loyal the governmet. This comes from things like fortified hamlets, generous aid to turncoats, saturation patrolling, educating the populace on benefits of working with government, collective punishment and mass dispersal of areas that support terrorists, public executions of captured terrorists, domination of cities with heavy troop presence, a census with draconian punishments for unregistered inhabitants of country, etc. This has worked in Algeria, Malaya, Latin America, etc. We have done almost none of these things, intead buttoning up in bases, occasional presence patrols (combined with mutual fear and misunderstanding with populace), half-assed training of indigenous forces, complete nonconsequence to most regions that support terrorists, hair-brained hearts and minds gestures, and, most important, a lack of understanding that security is the first among equals in things that the replacement regime provided by us needs to provide for commerce and other goals to be achieved.
But we never governed Iraq and we never stood up a functioning government. Instead we handed off a nonfunctioning governme to the Iraqis. Instead of providing security as the keystone of any hearts and minds strategy, we thought giving this nonfunctioning government a democratic imprimatur would make the Iraqis rally to it. This did not work; instead our actions have discredited democracy, by combining the defects of the current Iraqi regime with the Iraqi and Arab appraisal of democracy genreally. In their minds, "democracy" is reasonably equated with the chaos now in Iraq.
Finally, even if we defeated the first crew of insurgents on the battlefield, we never set the conditions in which the replacement Iraqi regime could rally support from the whole country. And why? Because Iraq was not much of a country to begin with, but instaed and armed camp with lots of constituencies who are mutually hostile. There never was an idea or concept of "Iraq" and the new regime's goals that would unify the country. People don't fight for "democracy." Democracy is a procedure of how one picks his rulers. What the Iraqi government actually is supposed to do has always been up in the air from day one. We of course want it to do our bidding, but this is kind of hard to reconcile with democrayc when most of the people follow an illiberal religion and have other sources of alienation from the US, e.g., anti-colonialist viewpoint, history, sympathy with Palestinians etc.
So we've screwed this up tactically (not enough linguists, weak investment in Iraqi forces, all too frequent "collateral damage" that flows from lack of linguists and intel), strategically (aiming for democracy, "light footprint strategy), and politically (no coherent concept of Iraqi agnenda, aiming for democracy at all, handing off nonfunctioning government).
More and more it's obvious we must withdraw before our army is destroyed, hopefully after some brutal retaliation on areas of the country that have aimed themselves at our forces, e.g., Sadr City, Fallujah, Ramadi.
Posted by: Roach at August 06, 2006 04:48 PM (TY/gr)
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Interesting post, and interesting comments.
We are not fighting with the primary intention of creating stability in the Mideast. Instead, we are actually roiling the area - intentionally.
Our primary purpose is to inject Western ideas into the Mideast - like a virus. We hope the democratic virus will defeat jihadi ideology.
Now, God forbid the democratic Iraqi government should either fall, or become irrelevant - like the Lebanese government. However, even if one of these unpleasant results occurs, the democratic virus has already been injected into the Mideast more deeply than ever before - and that is the strategy we believe will make America safer in the long run. OIF has achieved it's primary goal. Therefore, OIF is a strategic success. The only question is how big a success it will be.
Posted by: gcotharn at August 06, 2006 09:10 PM (kHrXu)
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It had multiple goals, and it's only achieved one, ridding Iraq of Saddam Hussein. The "instability" of our presence in Iraq was not supposed to be in the form of an awful civil war that daily shows our impotence vis a vis both the insurgency and brutal elements in the Shiite government. The instability was supposed to come from the Ptoemkin Village that Iraq was to become, a model regime of law, order, democracy, and social peace. It is none of those things; so, instead of showing American client regimes can be well governed, liberal, and rewarded, we created a client regime taht is poorly governed, illberal, hard to control in a way that furthers our interests, and, because of the undeniable hell that Iraq is today, a daily argument against democacy to the rest of the Middle East. The fact that so many Iraqi refugees, chiefly professionals, are headed to Jordan and Syria is quite telling as for what kind of government they think is best, even with the narrow goal of simply being able to work, turn on the lights, and not worry about waking up to a death squad coming to kill one's entire family.
It is profoundly dishonest and mistaken to call this a strategic success. We've emboldened Jihadis, emboldened Iran, provided a de facto argument every day of why democracy is NOT a good road for the middle east.
This whole stupid and ideologically motivated quest for democacy is wrong on so many levels. First, it misapprehends the genius of our own system as "democracy" rather than our well balanced constitution. Two, it forgets to ask what kind of policies these democracies will pursue. Three, it ignores the benefits of stability from regimes such as King Abdullah's or Hosni Mubarak's. Four, it is too ambitious, the neoconservative equivalent of the liberal war on crime, going after "root causes" that likely won't change for a 1,000 years rather than just finding the bad guys and killing them.
These Trotskyites are endangering our country, our military, and empowering our enemies.
Posted by: Roach at August 07, 2006 08:57 AM (1BjlW)
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Ptoemkin Village refers to a plywood/cardboard/Hollywood set type of fake village.
I agree with "multiple goals". You lose me when you fail to include the injection of democracy/western ideas as one of those goals. This indicates a zealous mindset on your part, and an unwillingness to fairly characterize the situation. Pres. Bush has clearly stated, over and over, that we intend to inject democratic ideas into Iraq. The Iraqis themselves must make the ideas real.
We did not write and impose a constitution upon Iraq. We will all be dead before it is known if that was the best course of action.
You say the Iraq insurgency exposes our impotence. I say, where we are impotent, let it be known. I say that is a good thing: let the light shine in. It's time to get some things defined and declared - for their benefit, and for our own. Let the players show their cards.
Old joke: Dr. tells man he is impotent. Man buys a new hat. Man says: "If I'm gonna
be impotent, I'm gonna
look impotent!"
It might or might not be fair to say Baghdad is an undeniable hell. I reject(deny?!
that characterization vis a vis the entire nation.
I reject this opinion:
Iraq is a daily argument against democracy.
I don't believe this is happening in numbers which are significant:
so many Iraqi refugees, chiefly professionals, are headed to Jordan and Syria, and I reject your stated conclusion:
is quite telling as for what kind of government they think is best.
You write:
We've emboldened Jihadis, emboldened Iran. This would be a problem, if our main goal was status quo stability. It was not. Status quo stability is what was going to get us killed. If Jihadis are emboldened, great. Makes em easier to kill. If Iran is emboldened, great. Wakes the world up, and makes the Iran problem easier to resolve.
ideologically motivated quest for democacy is wrong on so many levels
As opposed to, what? Ideologically motivated quest for tyranny, oppression, and backwardness?
misapprehends the genius of our own system as "democracy" rather than our well balanced constitution
"Democracy" is shorthand. No one says "democracy" and means "oppressive, inadequate constitution." The whole argument of
"if you inject democracy, they will elect terrorists President" is strawman, strawman, strawman. "Democracy" is shorthand for "injecting democratic, civilized, humane ideas into a backwards, 6th century, stagnant hovel of humanity." You want that written out every time?
it ignores the benefits of stability from regimes such as King Abdullah's or Hosni Mubarak's
Bullshit. We can inject ideas, roil the region, and still appreciate a proper amount of stability. No one is denying the existence of complexity.
going after "root causes" that likely won't change for a 1,000 years rather than just finding the bad guys and killing them.
It is your masturbatory dream that we can
just find the bad guys and kill them.
Just finding the bad guys and killing them entails taking out untold scads of civilians. This is why our strategy is to convert the populace to our side, then have the converted populace take out the bad guys. If you reject, out of hand, the possibility of this strategy working, then you are advocating that we undertake a bloodbath. Things may, God forbid, get to the bloodbath stage. But first, we are trying the conversion strategy.
These Trotskyites are endangering our country, our military, and empowering our enemies.
Looking at this sentence, I can see I have wasted my time in replying to you. Shit. I guess I'll post this anyway. But it's a close call.
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August 04, 2006
Two Men Arrested In AZ
Great news! It looks like they've
arrested two suspects in the Arizona Serial Shooter case. Supposedly the shooter and his driver. That means the Baseline Killer is still out there. I hope they get him soon.
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