Wright - Moyer Love Fest
I forced myself to watch the Wright-Moyer
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Here's the transcript. Knowing Moyer, and his talent for partisan obfuscation, I didn't expect much. My expectations were not exceeded.
If the purpose of this interview was to rehabilitate Pastor Wright for those whose only knowledge of him was based on "snippets" of his sermons "run in an endless loop," the interview failed.
Here's the Moyer-Wright argument, in a nutshell:
1. Pastor Wright is a good guy, and really smart.2
2. The "snippets" were taken out of context.
3. And besides, you wouldn't understand them anyway.3
When I first heard the audio of Pastor Wright's vitriolic sermons, the first thing I thought was "this guy shouts like a fascist." If you've ever heard recordings of Hitler or Mussolini at the crescendo of an oration, the tone is eerily similar.
I've since heard the context, and not only do I understand what he was trying to say, it's no different in context than it is out of context. The man is full of hate. Just because you can construct an elaborate argument to justify your hatred doesn't mean you don't hate.
I don't mean to equate Pastor Wright with Hitler or Mussolini, but their methods of proselytization are similar. It boils down to this: Out there you're a victim; in here you're safe because I will tell you the truth.
Many people naturally want to hear that they're victims, because it explains life's inherent unfairness in a way that relieves them of any responsibility. And many people are naturally attracted to conspiracy theories out of ego-gratification. I know the "truth" -- you believe the "lies." Therefore I'm smart and you're a fool. That's all it is.
So what if Wright's ministry did good work in the community? So does my church, and without all the race-baiting hate speech. It is possible to preach the gospel without dividing people into us and them. But perhaps not as profitable.
One passage from the interview stood out for its absurdity.
[A]fter every revolution, the winners of that revolution write down what the revolution was about so that their children can learn it, whether it's true or not. They don't learn anything at all about the Arawak, they don't learn anything at all about the Seminole, the Cheek-Trail of Tears, the Cherokee. They don't learn anything. No, they don't learn that. What they learn is 1776, Crispus Attucks was the one black guy in there. Fight against the British, the- terrible. "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal while we're holding slaves." No, keep that part out. They learn that. And they cling to that. And when you start trying to show them you only got a piece of the story, and lemme show you the rest of the story, you run into vitriolic hatred because you're desecrating our myth. You're desecrating what we hold sacred. And when you're holding sacred is a miseducational system that has not taught you the truth.
I don't know what schools Pastor Wright went to, but I was taught all that stuff in every single history class I ever had. In a good number of law school classes too. Pastor Wright, if he knew what he was talking about, should have no problem with the history curriculum of today's students.
4 In that sense, Obama was right when he said that Wright's profound mistake was thinking that America hadn't changed. We have changed, and we can do even better.
In his Farewell Address, Ronald Reagan addressed the same question, with a very different take, and one that I think is superior and unifying in contrast to Wright's divisiveness.
But now, we're about to enter the nineties, and some things have changed. Younger parents aren't sure that an unambivalent appreciation of America is the right thing to teach modern children. And as for those who create the popular culture, well-grounded patriotism is no longer the style. Our spirit is back, but we haven't reinstitutionalized it. We've got to do a better job of getting across that America is freedom -- freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom of enterprise. And freedom is special and rare. It's fragile; it needs protection.
. . .
And let me offer lesson number one about America: All great change in America begins at the dinner table. So, tomorrow night in the kitchen I hope the talking begins. And children, if your parents haven't been teaching you what it means to be an American, let 'em know and nail 'em on it. That would be a very American thing to do
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1. I know there's supposed to be an "s." I omit the "s" because that's what LBJ did.
2. See, he uses the word "hermeneutic" in a sentence to show how smart he is. Even Bill Moyer doesn't know that word, which proves how smart the Pastor really is.
3. Wright said, "The persons who have heard the entire sermon understand the communication perfectly." Again, he divides people into us and them. If you were there, you understand and presumably agree. If you disagree, well, you weren't there so you couldn't possibly understand and you're opinion has no value. Interestingly, Obama would have it both ways. He agreed, but only with the stuff he heard when he was there. He disagreed, but only with the stuff he didn't hear because he wasn't there.
4. A recent poll of 2000 High school students asked them to name the top ten "most famous Americans." The top three were: Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks and Harriet Tubman. Oprah Winfrey came in 7th. And check this out, "when the researchers polled 2,000 adults in a different survey, their lists were nearly identical."
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It was nauseating to watch a very soft spoken Wright explain how his words have been twisted to mean something else, almost like he never uttered them.
And all the while, Moyers nodding in agreement; shame on the press for replaying them and misconstruing his words..
Has journalism lost all of its integrity? Are they all in the tank for Obama?
Posted by: shelly at April 26, 2008 04:11 PM (wearR)
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I'm so upset with myself being a cracker that I'm buying mules to distribute.
Posted by: Stew at April 26, 2008 07:56 PM (swd4s)
Posted by: Casca at April 26, 2008 08:10 PM (gOOVv)
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I lived in Chi-town for a couple of years. There's a lot of hate there, and a great deal of it is directed toward whitey.
Posted by: Casca at April 26, 2008 08:12 PM (gOOVv)
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I would have given ANYTHING to be there. I love Moyers and I absolutely REVERE Reverand Wright. I've bought ALL of his sermons and I wake up to them every day on my alarm CD clock. I've got my 13 year old trained - I say God Bless America, he comes back with "nah, nah, nah, God Damn America"!
Just too cool.
I don't know which Rev I worship more - Wright or Sharpton!
Posted by: KayInMaine at April 27, 2008 01:51 PM (N0OIm)
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Kay,
I hope you get impregnated by a cactus and queef out a litter of porcupines.
Posted by: 08nagaer at April 27, 2008 05:40 PM (e55SP)
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Greetings Annie (!), if that is your real nom de guerre...
It's so nice to visit with you and with my old friends in the comment section.
The Reagan quote reminds of a favorite Mona Charen:Is it really arrogance, as the liberals would have it, to believe that the system and the culture we've inherited is superior to others? Or is it ingratitude to deny it?
Second,
I blogged about Dr. Wright's speech tonight to the NAACP.
Third, a celebratory Dr. Wright haiku is surely called for:
Preacher of darkness
Marx in a pressed summer frock
Who won the Cold War?
Posted by: gcotharn at April 27, 2008 08:56 PM (OZxpP)
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here's the url to the Jeremiah Wright blogpost
http://theendzone.blogspot.com/2008/04/jeremiah-wright-at-n.html
Posted by: gcotharn at April 27, 2008 08:58 PM (OZxpP)
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"And when you start trying to show them you only got a piece of the story, and lemme show you the rest of the story, you run into vitriolic hatred because you're desecrating our myth. You're desecrating what we hold sacred. And when you're holding sacred is a miseducational system that has not taught you the truth."
When Wright cites history to build arguments of racism and exclusivity, I love how he implies that things should have been perfect from the start, otherwise there's no good in them whatsoever, even up to today. That ignores the fact that humans are imperfect beings and have the potential to improve, and that the bad in history can be outweighed by the good.
He also ignores that, for all the faults demonstrated in history, the US still managed to build a society where anyone can rise above their past. That seems to be missing from Wright's demagoguery; all you see is "It's bad, it's bad, it's evil". Nothing about the very American attitude of "work to improve". The hate takes precedence.
It seems as though the Reverend Wright here has made Perfect the enemy of Good, and in doing that has denied all that is truly right about this country. And by the way, who's the one who only
"... got a piece of the story"? Seems to me he's engineering an encompassing truth from a similarly sized piece himself. What does the Bible say about hypocrisy again?
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 28, 2008 04:40 AM (xHyDY)
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He's skillful at rhetorical trickeration. One sees the attraction for young B. Hussein Obama. Wright strings together truths, then adds the falsehood. And as we all know from C.S. Lewis, to adulterate the faith does not require that something be taken away. It requires only that something be added.
Posted by: Casca at April 28, 2008 06:14 AM (FzhYM)
Posted by: gcotharn at April 28, 2008 08:10 AM (OZxpP)
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Cas, let me remind you that he had six years in the corps to perfect that little skill.
Makes you wonder sometimes, doesn't it?
Posted by: shelly at April 29, 2008 02:20 AM (wearR)
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Actually Shelly, that's not true. His military record is rather hazy. I'm not even sure that he was ever a Marine. He claims to have finished his active duty as a corpsman. All corpsmen are sailors. He may have been a corpsman who served with Marines, or he may have started life as a Marine, then transferred to the navy, and started life over in a new MOS as a corpsman. That's a pretty strange thing to do. As a rule of thumb, corpsmen tend to be flakes or queers. Every once in a while, you run across one who has his shit in one bag. I'll bet there's a lot of fiction in his bio.
Posted by: Casca at April 29, 2008 07:50 AM (IrbU4)
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Isn't there a way to check that out to some extent?
Posted by: shelly at April 29, 2008 01:23 PM (AiJXe)
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He's a pre-Vietnam vet, so someone would have to come forward, or he'd have to confess to something, or release his records. He's probably too smart to do the last two. In any case, his bio says that he, "went to the Navy", whatever that means. It's not a routine thing. I've known a couple of guys who did the reverse, but never what The Right Rev Wrong claims.
My guess is that he wasn't happy in the Marines, because he was a malcontent, and everyone was more than happy to ship his ass over.
Posted by: Casca at April 29, 2008 08:55 PM (gOOVv)
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 30, 2008 05:50 PM (zOPuC)
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I honestly don't know which nauseates me more, RR's post or Moyers' sychophant simpering nodding while the clown pastor takes down the first black non-president on the grand tour.
For those who speak a little Yiddish, as my sainted grandsmother used to say "Ken brecken."
Posted by: shelly at May 01, 2008 11:58 PM (wearR)
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I Got A Question
Bronco Bomber says he didn't hear Pastor Wright's controversial sermon on the Sunday after 9/11. How is it that the Senator wasn't in Church on the Sunday after 9/11?
Everybody was in church on the Sunday after 9/11! Or maybe he skipped church that day as some sort of statement, like not wearing the flag pin. Maybe he thought going to church had, after 9/11, suddenly become a substitute for true worship, and so he decided he wasn't gonna do that no more. Or maybe it was around that time that he felt his family's economic situation had improved to the point that he didn't need to "cling" to religion on that particular Sunday like 99% of the rest of America (including, by the way, the couple hundred America haters in Wright's congregation who cheered during his diatribe).
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Even if he were McCain's pick for V.P., I fear that not even the
Incredible Hulk could stop this Obamanation.
(Abominable + Obama, get it?)
Posted by: 08nagaer at April 17, 2008 03:28 PM (e55SP)
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Hey 08, I always thought nobody was as strong as the Hulk except Thor. What's up with this wiki entry saying the Obamanation (who I never heard of) is twice as strong as the Hulk. That ain't right.
Posted by: annika at April 17, 2008 07:52 PM (V638R)
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I know how you feel, but I try to rationalize it this way: Think of it like Rocky 4.
The giant commie steroid freak that Dolph Lundgren portrayed would be the "Obamanation" while the physically dwarfed, yet stronger-willed Rocky B. would be the Hulk.
Posted by: 08nagaer at April 17, 2008 10:56 PM (e55SP)
Posted by: annika at April 18, 2008 09:00 AM (V638R)
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I think he knew he would run for President someday and figured he needed to stay outta church that day because his crazy pastor was going to pull out all his best material. It was tremendously funny listening to the two of them dancing around last night.
Posted by: Joules at April 18, 2008 05:02 PM (28NFV)
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thats as good a theory as any, Joules.
Posted by: annika at April 19, 2008 06:44 AM (V638R)
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You kidding?
With them ears, he coulda heard Wright from the other side of the El.
Posted by: Shelly at April 23, 2008 08:16 PM (wearR)
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