It was a solemn pledge, repeated by Democratic leaders and candidates over and over: If elected to the majority in Congress, Democrats would implement all of the recommendations of the bipartisan commission that examined the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
But with control of Congress now secured, Democratic leaders have decided for now against implementing the one measure that would affect them most directly: a wholesale reorganization of Congress to improve oversight and funding of the nation's intelligence agencies. . . .
. . .
"I don't think that suggestion is going anywhere," said Rep. C.W. Bill Young (R-Fla.), the chairman of the Appropriations defense subcommittee and a close ally of the incoming subcommittee chairman, Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.). "That is not going to be their party position."
It may seem like a minor matter, but members of the commission say Congress's failure to change itself is anything but inconsequential. In 2004, the commission urged Congress to grant the House and Senate intelligence committees the power not only to oversee the nation's intelligence agencies but also to fund them and shape intelligence policy. The intelligence committees' gains would come at the expense of the armed services committees and the appropriations panels' defense subcommittees. Powerful lawmakers on those panels would have to give up prized legislative turf.
. . .
Now Democrats are balking, just as Republicans did before them.
The decision will almost certainly anger commission members, as well as families of victims of the Sept. 11 attacks, many of whom have pressed hard for implementation of the recommendations.
"The Democrats pledged to implement all the remaining 9/11 reforms, not some of them," said former representative Timothy J. Roemer (D-Ind.), who served on the commission.
Carie Lemack, whose mother was in one of the jets that hit the World Trade Center, echoed that sentiment: "It wasn't a Chinese takeout menu, the 41 recommendations. You have to do all of them."
If you want my opinion, consolidation of oversight is not a good idea. I like redundancy. I was against the creation of an "Intelligence Czar," too. But the Democrats aren't backing away from this promise for policy reasons, it's more politics-as-usual, and juvenile back-scratching.
On an unrealted note, why is it that I can get no information from the media about what crawled up Pelosi's butt to make her dislike Jane Harman and Steny Hoyer so much? I know it's personal, but I've looked far and wide and there doesn't seem to be any investigative reporter willing to investigate this question.
Pelosi's beef with Hoyer goes back to her Maryland days, when she was the receptionist and Hoyer was the chief gofer for Senator Brewster in the 60's. I know there must be some interesting anecdotes, which would explain the animosity she's held onto for decades. But the media is hush hush.
And what's the deal with Jane Harman? I know she's not considered dovish enough, but I do suspect there's a personal vendetta there too. Pelosi is well known for holding grudges (and to be fair, suddenly letting go of grudges too), but nobody wants to dig into this story.
If anybody has seen anything interesting, send me a link. I'm just interested in political gossip is all.
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haha, this is just sweeet
I have to use this to torture my liberal brother. In return I give you:
http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-harmanpelosi21nov21,1,7489875,full.story?coll=la-headlines-politics&ctrack=1&cset=true
Personally I think Pelosi is just trying to piss off the Congressional Black Caucus.
Posted by: Stew at November 30, 2006 09:24 PM (swd4s)
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Well Stew, that article was notable for saying absolutely nothing. How many times do I have to hear the standard Pelosi bio? And nobody wants to talk about the rift for fear that Pelosi might get mad? Does this sound like a nice lady or what? They cant even get people to say anything about her "on background." Pelosi must be worse than Torquemada, I'm telling you. There's more to this story than we'll ever know, kind of like the Paris Hilton/Nicole Ritchie fight.
Posted by: annika at November 30, 2006 10:27 PM (oantJ)
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Annika,
I think you are being disingenuous: The draft has no traction in either party and is a non-starter. TO elevate it to anything more is sour grapes. Furthermore you interest in the non-essentials of Pelosi's back story(s) is bordering on becoming an obsessional disorder. I, who know very little about her and am no real fan of the Dem's but recognize that they are less repugnant than the corrupt RW religo-fascist scum that have been ineptly trying to run this country, will wait and see as things develop rather than view all she has done and what she might do with your jaundiced eye.
Posted by: Strawman at December 01, 2006 06:32 AM (9ySL4)
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"corrupt RW religo-fascist scum"
Hmmmm, last I checked there have been no Wacco's under Bush's watch. And no unarmed females are being shot by snipers for having unorthodox racist views, which, BTW, are protected under the 1st Amendment - that's the one you and yours CLAIM to care about but really don't. Children aren't being ripped from their homes by jack-booted thugs and sent away to communist terror states. And, unlike Clinton, I doubt you'll see well-known criminals and terrorist being pardoned by Bush. The Clinton admin much more than this one earned the title facsist. They had no problem simply killing Americans with whom they disagreed. Oh, and not that it's relevant to this particular discussion, but the "corrupt RW religo-fascist scum" have never sold military/technological secrets to China in return for campaign money. Just sayin'.....
Posted by: blu at December 01, 2006 04:26 PM (Wn4WF)
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They don't call her the "Wicked Witch of the West" for nuthin'.
She will only hold the disparite groups of the Demo coalition together with one skill - abject fear. She's pissing folks off already...
This wil surely be a "Do Nothing Congress".
Winner here?
George W. Bush. Stand back and watch his numbers rise as he slams the Congress for doing nuthin'.
Posted by: shelly at December 01, 2006 06:04 PM (YadGF)
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Blu,
WACO? I guess you feel that was the state supressing religious freedom?
True, Bush hasn't pardoned known criminals. He chooses to promote them to higher office or invite them to the WH to offer advice. What did we hear Abramoff saying this week about Ralph Reed? "god, he's just a bad version of us".
And is it not totalitarianism when the government attempts to rule what goes on inside a persons body? THe chinese legislate how many babies you may have and the RR would do the same should you conceive in error.
I think state troopers all wear jack boots, Blu. ANd the only people being ripped from their homes and sent to prisons in terror states are Islamic American citizens; without charges, without indictments, without that good ole freedom the terroists hate us so much for havin. What a farce.
And lets not forget the 50 rounds fired at this fellow in NY last week, did you know that two of the cops were participants in the WACO debacle?
And lastly, congrats to the Fidel and RAul on the 50 anniversity of the formation of the revolutionary army of Cuba. "Cuba si, Yankee No!"
Posted by: Strawman at December 02, 2006 09:04 AM (9ySL4)
7And lastly, congrats to the Fidel and RAul on the 50 anniversity of the formation of the revolutionary army of Cuba. "Cuba si, Yankee No!"
Yeah, where was your paramour Fidel today? Answer: he's already taken the dirtnap. The commie shitbags are keeping it silent in a futile attempt to thwart the tsunami of capitalism that will rescue that dismal backwater.
VIVA LA CAPITALISM!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at December 02, 2006 09:33 AM (cOyko)
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Yep RR,
that dismal backwater that that has more doctors per capita than we do, has lower infant mortality and higher literacy than we do, a school system that doesn't have to battle religious half wits that want to teach creationism, allows women full control of their reproductive systems, has better baseball with out the 100's of millions and drugs to spur the players on, and best of all when ignorant trash like you,a man who uses a moniker that speaks volumes or maybe that should be un-volumes, goes into a library they don't torture him if he can't produce a photo ID. Sit at the table you dolt and try to lean how to read: thinking, and sex with bipeds will soon follow.
Posted by: Strawman at December 02, 2006 11:12 AM (9ySL4)
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Straw always conveniently forgets that they will kill you in Cuba if you dare disagree with their lovely government. He "forgets" because like most hard lefties, he doesn't care. The dirty secret of the left is that they believe it's ok to kill a few reactionaries in order to perpetuate the higher ideal of socialism. And that's why this sick ideology is responsible for more deaths than any other in human history.
Then of course he throws out the lies and propoganda about having more doctors per capita, better literarcy....blah, blah, blah. Wow, did Fidel send you that data himself, Straw? Memo to Straw: It's not true. Don't you get it? IT'S A TOTALITARIAN REGIME THAT RULES BY TERROR. They lie each and every day in order to stay in power.
p.s. Hey, did you notice your boy Hugo is going to try and get rid of term limits? How long before he decides it would be better for "the poor" - the poor are always the pawns for the left-wing butchers - that he be President for life? "We don't need elections. The people have decided." You've devoted your life to a sick, illiberal, and totoally depraved worldview, Straw. The men you celebrate are the worst history has to offer.
p.p.s. Better baseball? LOL. True, they have some nice players. And their team that plays together consistently might be able to beat some MLB All-Stars that are thrown together. But, they aren't going to beat our best team. (Did you even play sports, Straw? Given your politics and your anger, I suspect you got your ass-kicked a lot growing up. I've noticed that the unhappy, the weak, the ugly, and the dumb are often liberals. Why is that?)
Posted by: blu at December 02, 2006 12:06 PM (Wn4WF)
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It looks like Straw is right. Judging from these pics, the Cubans have figured out a way to provide socialized healthcare without the long waiting lists.
Posted by: reagan80 at December 02, 2006 01:11 PM (wkyrW)
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"goes into a library they don't torture him if he can't produce a photo ID."
Rest easy my dear anencephelic, Mother Haldol™ will free you soon.
What a freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeak!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at December 02, 2006 04:46 PM (cOyko)
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"I've noticed that the unhappy, the weak, the ugly, and the dumb are often liberals."
Especially the dumb. And weak (minded).
Posted by: Radical Redneck at December 02, 2006 04:49 PM (cOyko)
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Maybe, so that you can conceal it better, Palpatine had his lightsabre in two halves, one inch each sleeve, with the the one that we were treated to within the close-up containing the particular blade-generating mechanism and a good enough power cell for any minute or two of activation, with the other half, which posesses a larger power cell for any more prolonged engagement and appears just like the back of Anakin's sabre being attached eventually the location where the camera was off Palpatine.
Posted by: diablo 3 gold at December 14, 2012 01:20 AM (o0Ex8)
A Hero You Should Know
On October 16, 2006, Army CW3 Lori Hill became the latest female pilot decorated with the Distinguished Flying Cross (the first was none other than Amelia Earhart).
Back in March in Iraq, Chief Warrant Officer 3 Lori Hill, with the 2nd Squadron, 17th Cavalry Regiment, was piloting her Kiowa Warrior when the lead chopper came under heavy fire. She drew the fire away, simultaneously providing suppressive fire for the troops engaged with the enemy on the ground.
A rocket-propelled grenade hit her, damaging the heloÂ’s instrumentation, but instead of focusing on her predicament, she established communication with the ground forces and continued to provide them with aerial weapon support until the soldiers reached safety.
As she turned her attention to the aircraft, which was losing hydraulic power, the helo took on machine-gun fire, a round crashing into one of HillÂ’s ankles. Still, with a damaged aircraft and an injury, she landed at Forward Operating Base Normandy, saving her crew and aircraft.
For her actions she was presented the Distinguished Flying Cross by Vice President Richard Cheney at Fort Campbell, Ky., on Oct. 16.
“[It] was a once-in-a-lifetime thing to get the award and then have the vice president come and award it to you,” she said. “It’s just incredible for any soldier.”
Recalling that day in March, Hill reflected, “I was actually just glad I didn’t pass out and very happy I was able to help the ground guys out, and get our helicopter down safely on the ground.”
You won't see Chief Hill's face while your waiting in the grocery checkout line, and Lori Hill may not be a household name, but it should be.
Posted by: gcotharn at November 30, 2006 12:22 PM (xq9zD)
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As a very small plane pilot who has occasionally struggled with something as mundane as the crosswind landing, I'm constantly amazed by these folks in the military, their bravado and skill. Hats off to Chief Hill.
Posted by: Mike C. at November 30, 2006 04:32 PM (Eodj2)
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Color me impressed. I hadd a rollicking debater going at my site about whether women belonged in combat or not.
I say, absolutely!
I know I'd want this woman in combat when the chips were down!
Posted by: Mark at November 30, 2006 06:52 PM (qFpLU)
Posted by: Mark at November 30, 2006 06:53 PM (qFpLU)
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I booked driving lessons for my daughter today. I asked for a female instructor. The owner told me he seldom has female instructors who last longer than two years because "you have to have nerves of steel." Obviously, having control over nerves isn't a problem for Lori Hill.
Posted by: Joules at November 30, 2006 07:20 PM (u4CYb)
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Please join the Wednesday Hero blogroll at my blog. Stories like this need to be shared!
Posted by: Greta at December 01, 2006 09:32 AM (yy954)
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Gee, I wonder, given the craven nature of those who run our armed services publicity department and their desperation for any good story to counter the sorry state of affairs in Iraq, if this gal will turn out to be another hero on the order of Jessica Lynch?
Posted by: Strawman at December 01, 2006 02:55 PM (9ySL4)
Fracas At Powell
This is what happens when our Universities' social science departments are filled with former radicals.
According to an extremely biased article in the Daily Bruin,
Mostafa Tabatabainejad, a UCLA student, was repeatedly stunned with a Taser and then taken into custody when he did not exit the CLICC Lab in Powell Library in a timely manner. Community Service Officers had asked Tabatabainejad to leave after he failed to produce his BruinCard during a random check at around 11:30 p.m. Tuesday.
I think the UC police didn't handle the situation the best way possible either. They should have carried the guy outside as soon as he was handcuffed and then waited for backup. Using a taser to get him to comply with their orders was not going to work, since it was clear the guy was bent on creating a scene.
But the responsibility for this whole ugly incident lies solely with Mr. Mostafa Tabatabainejad. If you don't have your ID card, go back to your room and get it. If they call the police on you, apologize politely and leave the library. Otherwise, they might just taser your idiot ass.
Plus, when students are indoctrinated by professors who are former radicals constantly reliving the glory days of the 60's in class (I went to Berkeley, remember) it's pretty hard not to view all police interactions as if we lived in Franco's Spain. But we don't.
Update: h/t to TBinSTL for this appropriate PSA, by Chris Rock.
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This story immediately made me think of this bit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gCCjFbFXn8
Posted by: TBinSTL at November 19, 2006 11:58 PM (MSiPb)
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A perfect example of hesitating to use appropriate force leading to the use of excessive force. If they had not tried to bandy words with the fuck, and simply tackled, cuffed, and drug him away when he wouldn't comply. There would have been no tazing.
Posted by: Casca at November 20, 2006 12:59 AM (2gORp)
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Screw the taser, they should have beat the fark out of him like Rodney King.
Posted by: kyle8 at November 20, 2006 03:49 AM (Q+SJk)
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Apparently the UCPD have greater latitude in using the taser against passive resisters than the LAPD or Sheriff's Office do. And they used it in "drive-stun" mode, which apparently isn't as painful or debilitating as then they shoot the barbs into you and give you the full treatment. I think people are overreacting to the connotations of "taser."
Posted by: Jim Treacher at November 20, 2006 06:43 AM (cYioa)
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You're right Jim. He shoulda been floppin' like a fish, and trying to breath, not screaming. Still, it's hard to breath/scream with a knee in the back of your neck, and your face in the dirt.
Posted by: Casca at November 20, 2006 09:21 AM (Y7t14)
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i thought the same thing Casca. i've never been tasered, obviously, but i heard you really can't move for a long time. The fact that he was able to scream like that seems to indicate that he was not immobilized as some later claim.
Posted by: annika at November 20, 2006 09:38 AM (xNQf4)
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Annika,
Another example of dumb ass police or whatever these sadists are, not applying the basic rules that they were, more than likely, taught. The man posed no threat to anybody or property. His infraction was disobeying a rule about ID, not committing a crime. (I wonder if his name and picture were available on the library computer.) Nevertheless, refusing to leave to get ID, while an infraction of the rules is, without some additional evidence that he didn't belong there, or was acting erratically or was engaged in suspicious behavior, is not justification for violent eviction. If he didn't leave when asked, an officer should have stayed with him while his partner went for civilian authority to intervene or his shift commander. Since the "police" are the agents of the school and presumably have the best interest of the school and its students in mind, the school admin should have made the next decision: Send him to get his card, take him at his word or another simple, civil, appropriate action. If all else fails it is the call of the administrator to have the police remove him or not from the premises. Two officers certainly are capable of cuffing him and walking or dragging him out donÂ’t you think? As I said, no harm to property or another student or facility member had occurred or was imminent. Why use force? Patience and procedure and calm will almost always solve matters like this without violence. With what I saw and heard on the video, the school has exposure in a law suit. To say everything that happened to him, since it stemmed from his bad act, is his fault is too simplistic; nor does it excuse the possibly illegal acts that may have followed.
Annie, I wonÂ’t even address your remarks about this encounter being the result of a liberal hiring bias by the university. I hope you were kidding.
Posted by: Strawman at November 20, 2006 10:28 AM (9ySL4)
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Typical, Straw: The individual has no responsibility for his actions. His actions and your ridiculously moronic response above are also typical of the Left's total lack of respect for authority or institutions. What if everybody decided, as this jack*ss did, that rules don't matter? What if everybody decided it was OK to incite violence against law enforcement? (For now on, if I don't like a rule or a law, f*ck it, I'm breaking that rule/law. I've got rights, ya know!!!!! Man, I wish I was a minority so I could yell discrimination when the authorities decided that I need to abide by the law.)
Any sane, civilization-loving, fair-minded person who saw or heard about this incident understands that it was totally and absolutely brought on by that moron. To argue any differently is simply more proof of a lack of seriousness and a lack of respect for our culture.
Posted by: blu at November 20, 2006 10:53 AM (w2RJn)
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Blu,
He absolutly has responsibility and he did instigate the event by not having his required ID card but and I know this is a hard concept for you to grasp, the ends do not justify the means. We are a civilized society, or at least tell the rest of the world we are. The students in Tienemen Sq. were in violation of rules and brought the violence upon themselves, right Blu. Or is it different when a totaltarian govt. engages in violence against its constitutients difffernt than a "free" society doing the same? You wept for the chinese, why not this guy? He did not willfully break a rule, remember that word Blu, because he did not break the law, he then refused( I have not read an account of his first response or the police's first response, have you?) it seems, to comply with an order.
He may be disrespectful of authority and may not like taking responsibility for his behavior, but the police are not in the business of administering moral and ethical lessons, just enforcing the rules which they could have done in any number of ways that would not have resulted in bodily harm, mayhem, and a complete upset to all those who were in the vicinity. If you had been working late on a paper that night which way would you have liked for this event to have gone? A cop standing with the guy, talking to him about the consequences of his actions while more authority arrived and possibly walking him out or the school waiving the ID card rule to preserve order, or with adaquite force firmly escorting him out the door.
Do not make judgements about my philosophy of life or distane for your precious rules, just judge me by what would have ben the outcome if my strategy had been employed. What WORKS is what is important, not the sophists complaint of "what if everybody........ergo the end of civilization"
Only those with no faith in humankind and the strength of the values they hold dear worry about such nonsence.
Posted by: Strawman at November 20, 2006 11:24 AM (9ySL4)
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Nice try, Straw....but I've seen the video. Have you?
He was given so many opportunities to get up and leave and do what he was told it is nearly impossible to count. He purposely refused, obviously hoping to start an altercation. In a beter world, the students would have supported the police and ignored him. Your cute little scenario where the cops talk to him and tell him about possible consequenes all happened. He refused to comply for several minutes. Fuck him.
And what sort of a morally and ethically challenged person would ever compare the childish antics of a pampered, America-hating leftist moron to the heroes of Tienemen Sq?
Posted by: blu at November 20, 2006 12:06 PM (w2RJn)
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Blu,
Lawbreakers are law breakers Blu. Nicht Wahr? Not hero's unless you are willing to allow that from time to time one may break laws they don't like asserting their higher moral or ethical authority and of course threaten the government with anarchy and worse. Sort of like the standards we held the German people to after the war.
Herr Muller: Yes, I saw them dragging the Jew down the hall and repeatedly applying electrical shocks to his body.
DA: Had you seen or heard the offense committed by the Jew?
Herr Muller: Yes, he did not haff his papers with him.
DA: Do you know the Jew later died from heart failure, Herr Muller?
Herr Muller: Got sie dank!! That is terrible.
DA: Did you, Herr Muller, when you saw the police dragging and torturing this man consider that you might come to his assistance?
Herr Muller: Nein, never! Herr Prosecutor, I was ordered to stand at a distance and remember, Herr Prosecutor, he did not haff his papers! Our country is based on the rule of law and we cannot tolerate those who would abuse and mock it. Nein, it will mean the end of us if we don't act with strength against these people. They wish to tear our society down, these agents of Stalin.
DA: Herr Muller, if this man had been your son or wife would you have tried to protect them from the Gestapo?
Herr Muller: Oh, ya, certainly I would have tried. Of course, thatÂ’s' another story, I would not let my son endure torture & brutality just for not haffing his papers. This would not be richtig; he is not a Jew, not a communist, Her Prosecutor he luffs Germany.
In a better time in our country, Blu, the students would have overpowered the police and held them accountable for their needless brutality. Just as any passerbyÂ’s might have done the same on behalf of Rodney King
Posted by: Strawman at November 20, 2006 01:43 PM (9ySL4)
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Did you really just compare that pathetic, spoiled brat to a Jew in the Halocaust? Really?
That's stunning. Beyond contemptible. I'll let somebody else address that sickening, vile post.
Posted by: blu at November 20, 2006 03:33 PM (w2RJn)
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"Another example of dumb ass police or whatever these sadists are, not applying the basic rules that they were, more than likely, taught."
Wrong.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at November 20, 2006 04:04 PM (cYioa)
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Jim,
Did we just read the same instructions?
Once in handcuffs, what was the risk of injury to others?
What was the ugency of the matter?
How serious was the offense?
I read the instructions and see no point at which the taser should be used in situation at Powell.
Posted by: Strawman at November 20, 2006 05:50 PM (9ySL4)
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"I read the instructions and see no point at which the taser should be used in situation at Powell."
Imagine that.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at November 20, 2006 07:05 PM (cYioa)
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Sigh.
Were the police excessive? I don't know, but I don't think so. The video doesn't show what's going on at the beginning. You can hear them giving directions and orders, and you can hear shouts of "get your hands off me." Sounds like resisting to me.
This starts with dude Rule #1 for dealing with the police: "Don't argue." Even Chris Rock knows that. (Great PSA, BTW.) If a cop says, "Get up!" then you get the fuck up. If you think he gave you an unlawful order, then pursue your civil remedies later of face the (often physical) consequences.
The dude wasn't supposed to be there. He didn't have his ID. Someone in the school administration already made the decision to call the police. The police responded to the call and investigated, as police are supposed to do. The guy couldn't show any ID and the police acted to enforce the rule that says (apparently): "No ID, get out."
It's a minor infraction, absolutely, but the guy refused. You can hear him refusing, you can hear him shouting "get your hands off me." At that precise moment he escalated the crime from simple infraction to California Penal Code 148, resisting arrest and/or interfering with the duties of a police officer, a misdemeanor.
At that moment the police can either: Walk away (from the incident and their duty), continue to negotiate (for compliance with the directive), or make the arrest (either through negotiation or physical force). I really don't know how long they talked to the guy, so I'll grant you that a few more minutes talking might have solved the entire matter.
They moved to remove the guy. He resisted, verbally and physically (passive non-compliance counts). The fight was on.
A taser is used to avoid physical force, i.e., blunt trauma weapons, i.e., fists and batons. All things considered, it's better than the ass whupping that usually comes along. Ask Rodney King. If the taser had worked on him (it didn't), the rest of the beating might never have happened. (And no, I'm not justifying the beating, just making a point: Which do you prefer, a brief shock or broken bones?)
No, I've never been tazed. Yes, I know people who have. They're cops. They are defensive tactics instructors. Cops get tazed before they're allowed to carry and use the taser. None of them screams like this idiot. They do fall to the ground, promptly get back up, and promise never to give the trigger man an excuse to zap them again.
From what that video shows, audio and video, the cops did fine.
Posted by: bob at November 20, 2006 08:12 PM (yq7MM)
Posted by: reagan80 at November 22, 2006 09:53 AM (ULWF4)
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Visiting on recommendation of the Big Hominid...interesting post and great vids....
as for the argument at hand...First of all, the video is incomplete fuzzy at best and we are all missing vital information about what happened in the beginning so it's difficult to make a fair judgement about the actions of the officers. Having spent some time as a lowly security guard and as a doorman in a busy nightclub I have had experience with tasers and I have been tased. The old style tasers will give you a good shock and knock you to the ground, it all depends on the voltage of the weapon and what part of the body is tased. This guy was obviously juiced up or just got his adrenalin going enough have the taser effect him less than it might effect a more docile victim (who obviously would not need to be tased at all). He was so far out of line he probably deserved a zap or two to get his attention. The police repeatedly told him to get up right after they tased him...STUPID!!! Those things make your legs feel like jello, he likely could not get up as quickly as they wanted him to and then they kept tasing him when he wouldn't comply...duh.
I have to agree with the original post. The guy was obviouly looking for trouble and he found it. The campus cops should have physically carried him outside after they tased him rather than telling him to get up over and over again and tasing him against the protests of other students. If he was handcuffed it wouldn't have been that hard for 4 cops (i saw at least that many) to drag or carry him outside to wait for the local cops to haul him off to jail for any number of offenses from disturbing the peace or inciting a riot (which as one poster noted might have happened in a darker time)failure to comply. Too bad there isn't a law against just plain stupidity cuz they would have to lock this guy up and throw away the key.
Posted by: fencerider at November 23, 2006 07:54 AM (mcr7E)
The Old Bait And Switch
I wonder how many people who voted Democrat knew that reinstating the draft was on the Democrat's agenda.
I consider myself pretty well informed politically, I listened carefully to all the Democratic talking points, I'm on a few Democrat mailing lists. Maybe I wasn't paying enough attention, but I don't seem to remember any Democrat mentioning that bringing back the draft was going to be their first order of business once they got elected.
Maybe I'm wrong here, but it seems to me if the Democrats had mentioned that they wanted to bring back the draft once they got control of Congress, they would not have gotten control of Congress!
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That pisshead doesn't even have his priorities right. Rangel is more interested in class warfare here than fighting jihadists overseas.
Well, I guess we could look forward to this anyway when the liberals' economic policies ultimately fail....
The specter of unemployment is haunting every politician, economist, industrialist, and labor leader. Mr. Dewey said that he saw the solution in heroic production of gadgets, but as to the immediate means, was silent. Mr. Roosevelt announced that everything was planned and that no one need worry, but his details were nebulous. Mr. Truman thinks that there is magic in the phrase "full employment," but one suspects that his disappointment at Congressional refusal to put his whole program to the test is not unmixed with relief........One of the most obvious palliatives for unemployment is to push a large number of young men into an expanded CCC or an expanded army on a subsistence basis and so make room for others in regular employment - one of the obvious palliatives and one of the worst.-Russell Kirk on the Draft
Posted by: reagan80 at November 20, 2006 12:56 AM (ybfP0)
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Annika,
I think this is a unilateral piece of policy initiative on the part of Rangle to, as Raygun has pointed out, increase our awarness of the cost of the criminal action in Iraq and to also highlight who's sons and daughters are fighting it. Not the Bush twins nor two to three hundred children and grand children of our legislators.
Posted by: Strawman at November 20, 2006 07:39 AM (9ySL4)
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Strawman,
I'm sick your ridiculouls need to point out the Bush's daughters are not in the military. It's not relevenat. It's stupid. You see, Einstein, our military is voluntary. Look up the word. Learn it. Understand it. Use it in a sentence. And there are members of the US Congress with sons and daughters in the military. You couldn't even get that right.
Rangle is the worst sort of propagandist. And he is a racist pig. He'd like us all to believe that every soilder is a "person of color" despite the fact that the US military is perhaps the most integrated institution in America.
Posted by: blu at November 20, 2006 10:28 AM (w2RJn)
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Rangel represents a side of the Democratic Party which is sees the main event as conflict between groups within American society. Such people do not believe in the reality of external threats; nor are they interested in Americans working together to solve real problems. It's always about creating fault lines between groups of Americans and then doing everything possible to deepen and widen these fault lines.
Posted by: david foster at November 20, 2006 10:54 AM (SpkYG)
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Blu-
Though you are addressing a provocateur, I am in complete agreement at the hypocrisy of the "Bush daughters not in the military" talk.
Bush' daughters are not running for office, and the U.S. is not a Kingdom. It's ludicruos to insinuate that Bush' daughters should join the military as some type of symbolism.
Further, his daughters, as all military persons, are of age to make their own decisions. To imply their parents should control their decisions is to infantilize the Bush daughters, as well as all military persons. It is to paint them as victims, instead of cognizant adults.
Bush himself joined the military, which is more than 99% of such critics did.
The weakness and stupidity of this attack offends me. My 8 year old nephew could do better. Either attack Bush more effectively, or step away from the keyboard.
Posted by: gcotharn at November 20, 2006 02:48 PM (Rhyyb)
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Well Blu,
You too do seem to be rising to the bait my big mouthed friend. I don't give a fuck if the bush girls don fatigues or not. The hypocracy of all those who scream about this clash of cultures and the need to kill them in Iraq or you'll be killed by them over here is so transparent and utterly rediculas at this point that is bears no further attack. Yes a battle is formulating between fundo-islam and the west and a strategy is necessary but the invasion and effective destablization of Iraq is not a part of the solution; it in fact exacerbates the problem and will continue to do so for at least the next 5-7 years while putting the US in serious financial trouble.
Bush slipped into the line waiting toget into the guard like many young men who did not want to fight in Vietnam. He did not join the armed forces because he believed in the mission. He one step up the ladder from that scum VP who did nothing. I am glad, of course, that they sisn't them participated in the war and that neithWell Blu,
You too do seem to be rising to the bait. I don't give a fuck if the bush girls don fatigues or not. The hypocracy of all those who scream about this clash of cultures and the need to kill them in Iraq or you'll be killed by them over here is so transparent and utterly rediculas at this point that is bears no further attack. Yes a battle is formulating between fundo-islam and the west and a strategy is necessary but the invasion and effective destablization of Iraq is not a part of the solution; it in fact exacerbates the problem and will continue to do so for at least the next 5-7 years while putting the US in serious financial trouble.
Bush slipped into the line waiting toget into the guard like many young men who did not want to fight in Vietnam. He did not join the armed forces because he believed in the mission. He one step up the ladder from that scum VP who did nothing. I am glad, of course, that they sisn't them participated in the war and that neither killed Vietnamese but loath their duplicity.er killed Vietnamese but loath their duplicity.
Posted by: Strawman at November 20, 2006 07:17 PM (9ySL4)
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The former commander of the Texas Air National Guard says it is a lie to say Bush used influence to "slip into the line" for the Air National Guard fighter pilot program. Several positions were open, yet went unfilled during that time. There was dearth of candidates, partly due to the high standards in place for admitting candidates into that dangerous and demanding program.
Posted by: gcotharn at November 21, 2006 12:13 PM (Rhyyb)
The Dutch government agreed on Friday a total ban on the wearing of burqas and other Muslim face veils in public, justifying the move on security grounds.
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"The cabinet finds it undesirable that garments covering the face -- including the burqa -- should be worn in public in view of public order, (and) the security and protection of fellow citizens," the Dutch Justice Ministry said in a statement.
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The Muslim community estimates that only about 50 women in the Netherlands wear the head-to-toe burqa or the niqab, a face veil that conceals everything but the eyes.
What's that? "The moslem community?" I didn't know they spoke with one voice. In fact, I always heard that the reason they never seem to denounce blowing up innocent people and chopping people's heads off is because there is no unified "moslem community." But I digress.
Dutch Muslim groups have complained a burqa ban would make the country's 1 million Muslims feel more victimized and alienated, regardless of whether they approve of burqas or not.
"This will just lead to more girls saying 'hey I'm also going to wear a burqa as a protest'," Naima Azough, a member of parliament from the opposition Green Left, told an election campaign meeting for fellow members of the Moroccan community.
Sorry, but I don't seem to remember any moslem girls protesting when Van Gogh was killed. Perhaps if they had, Dutch people would've been more hesitant to ban their backward-ass burkas.
Job Cohen, the Labour mayor of Amsterdam, said he opposed burqas in schools and public buildings, and said women wearing one who failed to get a job should not expect welfare benefits.
Makes sense to me. Nice to see Dutch Labour getting a clue.
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There seems to finally be a reaction to the cultural aggression of the muslims in Europe, but its too little, too late. If they don't limit further muslim immigration and the white people don't start having babies, they will all be dominated by Islam in about twenty years.
Posted by: kyle8 at November 18, 2006 05:42 AM (RnziQ)
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kYLE,
Hello, but aren't Semites white people? And when did the distinction between Muslims and the rest of us come down to skin color?
Annie, I have mixed feeling about legislation that regulates the clothes we wear. And what did the framers have in mind when they wrote the establishment clause? Religion free from the influence of government:Support or repression.
I don't know anything about the foundation of Dutch law but correct me if I am wrong if I hear you saying that you would be in favor of the US passing a similar law.
I would not have a problem with the govt. banning ALL visual symbols of one's faith while in a public school or while employed as a civil servant, right down to little cross earings, or a star of david visible on a mans chest, but I would draw the line at citizens walking the streets.
Posted by: Strawman at November 18, 2006 10:53 AM (9ySL4)
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Am ignoring my rule to respond to the dirty twat above:
This is our culture, we set the rules to keep this culture in place. Fucking tolerance and establishment clauses and shit weren't designed to have us disestablish our culture (i.e. banning visual symbols of faith for all) because some asshole camel jockey thinks his homely bitch wife is too hot to show her face in public. Everything does not have to be equal. burqas go against western culture, we don't have to give anything in response to banning them. how they practice their religion can adapt or go back home.
There is a reason they immigrated to our countries, and its because of the superior way we do things. Like managing to have a fucking functioning economy so that they, the immigrant, can leech off the welfare from it. The Moslem/Muslim/Saracen morality doesn't work with the things that make the West so attractive to immigrate too in the first place. They must take the steps to adapt if they want part of what we have. And that concept of "we" is fundamental here. You can take brotherhood of mankind, treat everyone the same crap elsewhere. I live in a real world with real borders that set the boundaries for different cultures. This is us, here, our land, and its what is happening with islamic immigrants in europe (i.e. they are seeking to change what we thinking of as "european") that is why we need to oppose high levels of immigration here. If the immigrants love the way they do things so much, then they should stay home.
Posted by: Ignoreland at November 18, 2006 01:56 PM (LvTNO)
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Ignoreland,
Boy are you a schmuck. What percentage of the AMerican population do you think is the product of immigrants that arrived since 1900?
I don't what you think you've got but whatever it is has been enhanced, modified, enriched and sustained by people born outside America.
Posted by: Strawman at November 18, 2006 02:47 PM (9ySL4)
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Speaking only as a descendent of colonists to the New World, may I say that I agree with ignoreland. Immigrants came to the US because of the benefits it offered. Immigrants today such as latinos seem to be here because they think it is their right. Look at the illegals protesting in NC over being fired at the Smithfield packing plant. [management should be jailed for hiring them.]
Muslim immigrants come here to spead islam as their prophet tells them to. That is why we need to oppose high levels of *any* immigration here.
Posted by: Southern(USA)whiteboy at November 18, 2006 04:40 PM (2C4Ih)
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I agree that it's undesirable for a government to legislate what people may wear. I don't know why any woman would want to be hampered by a burka or why it pleases a husband to have his wife draped like that.
Posted by: Joules at November 18, 2006 09:01 PM (u4CYb)
Posted by: Casca at November 18, 2006 09:42 PM (2gORp)
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Arabs, Turks, and north africans are not white people in the same sense that Europeans are. Nor do they think themselves such. However, I never intimated that the differences came down to skin color, it was only used to draw a distinction. But you are too ignorant and bellicose to know any better.
What I said still stands, they Euro's are finally waking up to the vipers in their midst. But it is a day late, and a Euro short.
Posted by: kyle8 at November 18, 2006 10:00 PM (Vu20H)
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While I applaud the move by the Dutch, I remain most worried that Europe will just let this crap go on until it reaches a crisis point and then the reaction will have all the sense and reason of the "usual" revolution in old Europe. I expect the blood will run as deep as it ever has in the streets of Paris and other "enlightened" cities. Instead of reasonable reforms we will see violent and ridiculous over-reaction and a real battle, ending with bloody retribution. My only hope is that we will at least get to see bare breasted women atop the barricades.
Posted by: TBinSTL at November 18, 2006 10:54 PM (MSiPb)
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To Strawbrain:
Listen up you dumb fucktard:
Our culteral Political Coorectness will cost us our society. Those assholes can conform or go home.
The mere thought that some womanhas the right to wear a veil for her driver's license photo makes me want to puke. No wonder the crooks and assholes all love it; hell soon some bank robber will sue to be able to wear a mask as he does his banking withdrawals or his no pay shopping at Costco.
Eurabia is just waking up top the real threat of Islam; too late, I think they are goners. All that might survive here is American and Australia.
Get Mark Steyn's new book, "America Alone". The birthrate, plus the determination to proseletyze us all to make US conform to THEIR Sharia is the most frightening thing I have ever read.
Take your PC and shove it, and while you are at it, get the hell off of our blog. No one here agrees with any of your drivel.
Posted by: shelly at November 19, 2006 05:07 AM (SLFj+)
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Shit Shelly, you're starting to sound like me. The deal with this asshole is that he is self-loathing, thus thrives on the negative attention of others. Were he simply ignored, he'd wander away, but Kyle and Scof foolishly play his game.
BTW Scof, PAY UP BITCH! LMAO!!!
Posted by: Casca at November 19, 2006 09:27 AM (2gORp)
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Shelly,
I didn't think this was anyone but Annika's blog. You being a private property deist should not disrespect her property by calling it yours. But that is the least of your problems.
I am actually not a PC kinda guy and if you read my stuff with out your idiot prejudices you would know that. Feeling uncomfortable with our government legislating clothing standards and so do you. This is something I would have thought you would oppose being the reactionary RW less govt. is more kinds guy you are but like most of your breed your self-serving interests and ass dribbling fear trumps your clear minded thinking.
As I said, when in the midst of civil authority the veil and burka come off or you don't drive. The needs of the state come first. If you can demonstrate that burka clad bank robberies are more than a figment of your petrified imagination than then they shall also be banned from the public street. But you are clearly not thinking. The history of immigration has ALWAYS been that a majority come here for peace and prosperity and freedom from oppression. Although it does seem that many more are coming these days for the money to send home to the country that they still call home. But the difference is the legal v. illegal immigrants. I agree in principal with efforts to stem the tide. I am not sure of the best way to do it or how to deal with the 10 million or so who are here. I'm listening? Got any good ideas?
This blog would be limping toward moribundness(no disrespect intended Annie, but you know what it would be like around here if Shelly and Catshit had sway)if not for opposing opinions. I am one of a few but you Shelly and your crony are nails in the coffin of discourse, imagination as well as cancerous polyps in the colon of a healthy society.
Kyle8,
You can make all the racial distinctions you wish: Really white v. somewhat white but Christian v. less than white but Muslem v. swarthy white but Jewish, etc. ( Ask the Afrikaners for some help in this area, they have plenty of distinctions) Just donÂ’t expect others to enter your preposterous, racist little construct without the benefit of a map.
Posted by: Strawman at November 19, 2006 11:40 AM (9ySL4)
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"Were he simply ignored, he'd wander away,"
Not quite, Casca.
Straw doesn't care whether we ignore him or not. As long as he thinks there is some hope that he will influence Annie to "convert" and jump on the Leftist bandwagon, Straw will not go away. Since Annika hasn't shown any overt displays of contempt or hostility towards him, his delusions won't be shattered anytime soon.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 20, 2006 12:15 AM (ybfP0)
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"Since Annika hasn't shown any overt displays of contempt or hostility towards him, his delusions won't be shattered anytime soon."
challenging Strawman to a duel didn't count?
Posted by: annika at November 20, 2006 12:36 AM (qQD4Q)
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"challenging Strawman to a duel didn't count?"
Sorry, I must've missed that one, but I'm glad to hear that nevertheless. If that means there's no chance that you'll ever fall for his charades, I guess I can stop digging through the archives and repeatedly showing off Straw's cyber dingleberries.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 20, 2006 02:03 AM (ybfP0)
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Raygun,
I think you should examine your fondness for my dingleberries cyber or otherwise.(Ya' know Ray its demeaning just to type that word.)
Annie challanged so I had the choice of weapons. When I chose ABM's at 1000 miles she conceded to a draw since the chances of any damage was nil.
Posted by: Strawman at November 20, 2006 07:45 AM (9ySL4)
Spin Digest
It's almost a week since the election and the punditry has coalesced into two distinct themes. I'll digest them for you right now, so you can enjoy the rest of the week without having to bother with the news at all.
The Right: Republicans lost because they didn't try to please the conservative base. It had absolutely nothing to do with the fact that most Americans are pissed about Iraq, don't believe the President's "stay the course" line anymore, and think it's time to either win or get out. No, the election was really about prescription drug entitlements.
The Left: Not only is Nancy Pelosi really smart and a grandmother, she isn't liberal at all. She's actually a centrist. All Americans are ecstatic that she's in charge of the country. Except for those Republicans, who are very sad. On the other hand, George H. W. Bush is in charge of the country, which would normally be bad, except we like him now.
Take the rest of the week off, but don't forget to visit here as often as possible for more essential analysis.
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Great analysis Annika and I think the jury is still out on why the republicans lost and the democrats won. I love the concept that winners have (some number, 100 perhaps?) loads of fathers and losers are orphans. If you were to ask me, and so far exactly no one has... the lack of passion is why the republicans lost. Hurricane Katrina all by itself is enough for the republicans to have gotten their heads handed to then. Add Duke Cunningham (one of my heros from VN I was in country working on F4's when he became an ace) a old guy going off to jail for influence peddling, Tom Delay's problems and Mark Foley hitting on boys? Its a miracle that there are any republicans left on capital hill. The thing I'd be seriously worried about if I were George Bush nowadays is being impeached as he's got no friends on the Hill. This is the same senerio that caused the downfall of Richard Nixon and for a number of reasons didn't cause it for Bill Clinton. It should be an interesting 2 years...
Posted by: Drake Steel at November 13, 2006 11:04 PM (5uuIt)
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Annika,
I don't think the issue of how smart she is or just how she is, is really so important. Smart people do stupid things all the time and the inverse is equally frequent.
Is Bill Frist a smart guy? Presumably he is, being a doctor and all that goes with that. But whaaat was he doing when he jumped on the Teri Schiavo band wagon and went so far as to proffer an emphatic diagnosis with out examining her or her records? It was stupid not to mention cruel and politically motivated. Smart as he may be he was at the mercy of his black hearted desire to position himself in this matter in a way he thought would be benificial to the Party and his personal political asperations. As the psychiatrist that saw Carmela SOprano that one time might ask Bill, "so how is that going?"
Smart ain't all its cracked up to be. It is all to often trumped by ambition, carelessness and avarice. These are componants of character, a far more important issue than smart.
Posted by: Strawman at November 14, 2006 09:36 AM (9ySL4)
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liberal is the missing word in the first sentence
Posted by: Strawman at November 14, 2006 09:37 AM (9ySL4)
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A circumstance beyond our control, oh oh oh oh
The phone, the tv and the news of the world
Got in the house like a pigeon from hell, oh oh oh oh
Threw sand in our eyes and descended like flies
Posted by: fav song at November 14, 2006 11:17 AM (a3fqn)
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"Smart ain't all its cracked up to be. It is all to [sic]often trumped by ambition, carelessness and avarice. These are componants of character, a far more important issue than smart."
I agree. Bill Clinton taught us that years ago.
Posted by: blu at November 14, 2006 12:20 PM (w2RJn)
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Blu,
That is quite true. But if your thinking that W on the other hand is dull witted, uneducated, poorly spoken, but has a good character you are mistaken.
Posted by: Strawman at November 14, 2006 01:51 PM (9ySL4)
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Nope - not thinking that. After all, he's hardly dull-witted and is certainly very well-educated. Wouldn't make any sense now would it? Thanks for making things more cogent for other readers, however.
Posted by: blu at November 14, 2006 02:51 PM (w2RJn)
Despite Recent Unpleasantness, Saddam Still Popular With Liberals
I won't dirty my blog with video of Bill Mahr, but I do want you to check out this clip, on YouTube. It's called "Farewell to Douchebags," and it's a look back at some faces we've probably seen the last of (or not).
Mahre sets it up by noting how they do the same thing during the Oscars each year, with the dead person reel. Some people inevitably get more applause than others, and sometimes there's an audible pause while people decide how much acclamation to bestow. Mar gives an example "they go, oh DeForest Kelly . . . okay we liked him"
Now watch the video and listen to the hearty applause given at Tom Delay's or Karl Rove's pictures and then compare it to the uncomfortable semi-silence at Saddam Hussein's picture. The audience was like "uh uh do we cheer? oh shit, shit whatdowedo?!" It's liberal brain lock.
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Bill Mahr is the "liberal I'd like most to punch."
The studied arrogance mixed with the pseudo-intellectualism make it impossible NOT to want to bitch-slap the no talent ass clown.
Posted by: blu at November 12, 2006 05:12 PM (w2RJn)
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"pseudo-intellectualism"? I guess someone who went to Cornell (ivy league) cannot be an intellectual. He is quite talented by the way. Blu, you might feel the urge to clown him probably because some of his jokes bring truth and humor at the same time - why does that bother you?
Posted by: Derek at November 12, 2006 08:03 PM (qrKVb)
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talk about a smirk. wallace has nothing on this guy.
Posted by: annika at November 12, 2006 08:47 PM (qQD4Q)
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Wow! Cornel!! Really? Gee, my opinion of that idiot has really changed now. For now on, I'll just ignore his lame jokes and the ad hominem attacks he substitutes for rational argument.
Tell ya what, Derek, many of us that chime in at Annika's brilliant blog have multiple degrees from prestigious schools. Does that make us intellectuals?
And what really bothers me is that Mahr is, at best, a second-rate humorist and certainly no more than a third-rate "intellectual," who pretends to be both and then demands to be taken seriously by those who call him on his sophistry -his nice little BA from an "Ivy League" school notwithstanding.
BTW, Al Franken went to even a better school (Harvard), and he's an even bigger idiot. (And, though it might seem improbable, even less funny.)
Posted by: blu at November 12, 2006 09:42 PM (w2RJn)
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Blu,
I just think you wish you could crack wise and in poor humor on TV and this is all sour grapes. Go tell Moxie how her Cornell degree is no better than Mr. Mahr's.
I think he is pretty funny and usually watch and get a few good laughs notwithstanding his smirk, smarm and the clear appreciation he has for himself.
Posted by: Strawman at November 13, 2006 07:54 AM (9ySL4)
Posted by: Scof at November 13, 2006 09:59 AM (a3fqn)
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"notwithstanding his smirk, smarm and the clear appreciation he has for himself."
True dat....
Posted by: blu at November 13, 2006 10:37 AM (j8oa6)
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Actually, Straw, instead of watching trash like Mahr, you should check out Andy Garcia's "The Lost City" and get an artistic glimpse of the terror imposed by your heroes in Cuba.
Posted by: blu at November 13, 2006 01:29 PM (w2RJn)
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blu,
First off, Andy Garcia is an unwatchable actor. Skin crawlingly bad.
In spite of that i did see, I think, most or part of Lost City. I thought it just another personal ax to grind lament by the deposed gentry who really only care for rights with regard to earning money but couch their displeasure with socialism in terms of the human spirit. Basically the same bullshit that our govt. always uses when it is itching to depose a government that is leaving the sphere of Capitalism i.e. Nicaragua, Chile, Cuba, Iraq, etc. We don't differentiate fascist from communist. If they have declared themselves to be in the other camp, the camp that denies the establishment of sweat shops, bottling plants for coke or Pepsi, extractors etc. and generally refuses to allow their population to be exploited and their terrain to be raped for the profit of off-shore partners then they become enemies of democracy. Look how well Nigeria is doing with all their oil wealth. Manly of Jamaica was declared a commie because he wouldnÂ’t let the bauxite extractors run roughshod. Cuba would be in the same shape if not for the revolution. Gambling, prostitution, organized crime, tourist trade, hotel workers, peasants picking fruit for American growers, oh, and maybe some parliamentary democracy that had no commitment to governing for the people.
Posted by: Strawman at November 13, 2006 02:21 PM (9ySL4)
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I love baiting you into defending those murderous thugs. Reminds folks how truly unhinged your politics are.
The film was fair to the history. It showed Batista and his allies for the thugs they were; but then went on to show how much worse off Cuba and its people were/are once Che and his butchers started with their "ends justify the means" insanity. Aside from that, though, the film was a vehicle to show people the beauty of Cuban music.
Posted by: blu at November 13, 2006 03:16 PM (w2RJn)
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BLu,
Would you not call Iraq "ends justify the means" insanity??
Posted by: Strawman at November 13, 2006 04:43 PM (9ySL4)
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Annika,
The applause meter thing with Rove and DeBug is quite right if you sit and think carefully. Of the three Saddam did the least damage to America.
Posted by: Strawman at November 13, 2006 04:47 PM (9ySL4)
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I think you incorrectly assume that the typical Mar audience has the same capacity for rational thought that you do, Straw.
Posted by: annika at November 13, 2006 06:32 PM (qQD4Q)
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I riPed ofF All my pewbick hairs with my bear hands after reEding that up abbove..
Posted by: Spanky at November 13, 2006 08:11 PM (dFOlH)
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Straw,
If you can't see the difference between enslaving people under the yoke of totalitarianism and delivering them from it, then you're a moral neophyte.
Posted by: blu at November 13, 2006 08:35 PM (w2RJn)
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Blu,
The only problem with your rejoinder is that NOBODY has been delivered from tyranny and the price for delivering NOBODY has been very high. We have been throwing lead lifesavers to people that were still swimming.
Posted by: Strawman at November 14, 2006 08:19 AM (9ySL4)
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Yeah, the non-Sunnis in the Sadaam era weren't under tyranny. May I suggest, perhaps, I history book. Or maybe a talk with anybody that managed to escape Sadaam's Iraq. It's one thing to complain about the U.S. war strategy and offer a critique of the current DEMOCRATICALLY elected government in Iraq; it's quite another to re-write history.
Posted by: blu at November 14, 2006 11:25 AM (w2RJn)
Posted by: blu at November 14, 2006 10:16 PM (w2RJn)
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We've thrown everybody into a caldron of chaos, fear and insecurity and have no idea how to set it straight. No fucking idea. Oh, they voted so they can go to their graves licking blue fingers. Sounds like 72 virgins to me.
Posted by: Strawman at November 19, 2006 07:00 PM (9ySL4)
I Blame Bush
No one loves and supports this President more than I do. But after yesterday's debacle I have to say it: I blame Bush.
It was a debacle, and don't let anybody tell you different. The voters threw forty Republicans out of office, and they would have thrown Bush out too, if they'd only had the chance. Not a single Democratic incumbent lost, and the carnage would have been much worse if it had not been for Gerrymandering.
Clinton's famous catch phrase was, "It's the economy, stupid." It's pretty obvious that the American people sent a message this year, and the message was, "It's the war, stupid." That there are Republicans out there who failed to hear this message is one of the truly astounding things about yesterday's election.
Hugh Hewitt is the prime example. Don't get me wrong, Hugh Hewitt knows more about government and politics that I could ever hope to learn. His radio show is the highlight of my listening day. And he has done amazing work for the party before, as he will again. But Hugh's Townhall column today was so clueless, I think he must need some time off.
In an essay that's 1,351 words long, Hugh failed to cite the Iraq War even once as a possible cause for the Republicans being thrown out on their asses yesterday. Instead, incredibly, he blames John McCain:
The post-mortems are accumulating, but I think the obvious has to be stated: John McCain and his colleagues in the Gang of 14 cost the GOP its Senate majority while the conduct of a handful of corrupt House members gave that body's leadership [to] the Democrats.
That's an incredible example of denial. Look, I'm no McCain fan. I've already placed on the record my vow never to vote for him, even in a general election. But what percentage of swing voters — the middle third who decided this election — do you think even know what the Gang of 14 was? Not many, I'd wager. And how many of these swing voters would eagerly admit that the Iraq War was their number one issue? I'd say virtually all of them.
Listen carefully to what I'm saying. The principled base might have been pissed off at Republican betrayals, but the base still turned out yesterday. The middle third, the independents, the swing voters, they're who I'm talking about. They're the ones who led the revolt, and their issue was the War. Any one of you can verify this for yourself by asking a few questions around the water cooler.
I'm not saying that we Republicans lost because Americans want to cut and run. Don't believe that bullshit. I absolutely do not believe that the majority of Americans think their country is engaged in an immoral war. I believe that Americans wouldn't really care whether there were WMD in Iraq, if the war was over and won by now. Most Americans want to win, and they can't understand why we haven't yet. The 2004 election was America's rejection of the hate-America crowd who believe the Iraq War was wrong, immoral, what have you. Those people are a loud but small minority. In 2004, Americans made a different choice and said to the President, "We're sticking with you, now go get it done."
And the problem this time around was that, two years later, the President still had not gotten it done.
We can blame the media all we want. We can blame the Cindy Sheehans and the Michael Moores and the Jimmy Carters and the Kos Kids and the George Soroses all we want. They deserve blame. But the fact remains, George W. Bush was handed a vote of confidence by the American people in 2004, and he did not get the job done. Not only that, he took our patience for granted.
The patience of a Democratic people is a historically fickle thing. It would be nice if it weren't so fickle, but it is. And that's part of the ground that President Bush had to fight on. You can't excuse it by saying, as we've heard for three years now, "It's hard work. Stay the course. Stay the course." Americans demand results. We're willing to sacrifice; we're willing to be patient; we're willing to trust our leaders. But ultimately, we demand results.
And 105 brave souls lost in the last month is not results.
We can say that the media is not reporting the real progess being made in Iraq, and I believe that's true. But at some point you gotta ask, "Can we stop with the building schools and the passing out candy, and just win this thing — and get our people home?"
President Bush's task is often compared by people on my side of the aisle to Lincoln's task during the Civil War. Lincoln is said to have stood firm in the face of vehement opposition. He stayed the course during the darkest days, and won through to victory. But the comparison, as it looks right now, is not an apt one. Lincoln fired a shitload of generals. Lincoln demanded results, and eventually he got results. Look, I love Rumsfeld for the way he talked back to the media. I was willing to support Rummy through thick and thin, despite what the generals thought of him. But the war plan was Rumsfeld's baby, and as soon as he stopped getting results, he should have been gone.
I understand that the enemy adapts. I get it. But to use a football analogy, we're sick of the three and outs. We need to see some first downs here, guys.
I supported the decision to go to war against Saddam. Even knowing what I know now, I still support that decision. But my support is given with the assumption that we're in it to win. We simply must win. As I said before, there is no third way in Iraq.
Victory in Iraq — let's just call it "success" at this point — should be defined like this: any situation in Iraq that would enable us to bring our troops home without everything we've done in the last three and a half years falling to pieces once we leave. I'm not sure that the Democrats have any idea how to accomplish this, but I also know that the President sure as shit hasn't gotten us there yet.
So that's why we Republicans lost the House and Senate yesterday. There's plenty of other reasons you can cite to me, and they're all valid criticisms, I'm sure. Culture of corruption, Foleygate, Delaygate, etc. Dubai Ports, Harriet Meiers, even the Gang of 14, if you like. The Bridge to Nowhere, earmarks, amnesty, Hurricane Katrina, whatever. The list goes on and on. But there's one thing I'll argue 'til I'm out of breath. The American people would have forgiven any of those things — hell, all of those things — if only we knew that our boys were coming home soon, and victorious.
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I think you are exactly right. When a company doesn't perform, you don't blame the stock boy, you blame the CEO. When the party gets its collective ass kicked, you look to the party leader. I think Bush's press conference today was one of the best appearances of his Presidency. Maybe if he had learned a few of these lessons a couple years ago, we would be celebrating yet another Republican sweep.
Posted by: Frank at November 08, 2006 09:31 PM (thL0H)
Posted by: reagan80 at November 08, 2006 09:32 PM (dFOlH)
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Well said, annika.
My biggest gripe with the Bush administration has been it's inability (or flat unwillingness) to use the bully pulpit a la FDR in building and maintaining support for the war effort.
And the inability/unwillingness to adapt has had me banging my head on walls for months.
Posted by: KG at November 08, 2006 10:38 PM (AC0TE)
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KG, you are exactly right. The failure of Dubyah's administration is the failure to communicate and thus failure to lead. The perception of futility, true or not, is a very dangerous thing. You'd think that they never lived through the Clinton years, where all we got was nonstop 24/7 lies to feed the media cycle. So much for Rovian brilliance. Ya gotta feed the beast.
Posted by: Casca at November 09, 2006 12:23 AM (2gORp)
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Annie - Well put, but Frist and Hastert have to take blame as well. When only 16 percent of Americans approve of the job you're doing, you should expect to take a hit if you are in charge (worst approval rating for Congress ever according to WSJ/NBC poll).
As for the efficacy of the bully-pulpit, I agree the President has not done a good job in even making most the U.S. government, let alone the American people, be involved in this war. Although Clausewitz and Sun-Tzu are perhaps over-quoted, there is merit to the notion of knowing the conflict you are entering, including knowing yourself and the enemy. Read the following:
The Iraq Syndrome
John Mueller
Foreign Affairs, November/December 2005
Posted by: Col Steve at November 09, 2006 02:06 AM (CtqPV)
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Very well put, Annika. Like you, I like and support GWB. My one real problem with him has been, as Casca and KG say above, his failure to consistently and persuasively make the case for our efforts in Iraq. What has begun to really concern me is the idea that, in additon to the President's acknowledged difficulties communicating effectively, perhaps a much more serious problem is he really doesn't have an effective strategy to communicate. I completely agree with you that the American people might dislike many of the Republican foibles you list, but that all of that would have been overlooked if they saw real, demonstrable progress in Iraq. Your allusion to three and outs vs. a few first downs is well chosen. There are many people who just want to get out of Iraq, but there are almost certainly more who want to see us get more agressive, and, as you say, "just win this thing." By God, I am one of them. If it appeared to the public that we were winning this thing, the Republicans would have cruised through Tuesday's election.
Posted by: DBrooks at November 09, 2006 06:44 AM (PlDdK)
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So riddle me this... why is it that the Democrat nominee in CT who is anti-war lost so badly to the formerly-Democrat-now-independant candidate who supports the war in Iraq?
I think the war was a major part of it, but scandal after scandal and no restraint on the size of the gov't... it was too much. Talk to your water cooler coworkers and find out what they want to happen. I'll bet they're just like you, they want victory and they want the troops home. But both sides want that.
The Republicans lost their way and stopped standing for what got them in power. Victory over Iraq is not what got them in power.
Posted by: Darkmage at November 09, 2006 07:34 AM (Ly6MF)
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Annika,
Well reasoned, cogent thinking about the loss. I agree, if any demonstrable progress had been made in Iraq, Americans, the tack sharp and attentative group that they are would have let all the malfeasance, pedophilia, graft, bridges to nowhere, and other trespasses against Democracy heaped on America pass. When manipulated by fear, trumped up as it was, they will always lick the hand of the one who promises protection like the dog that was beaten hours before.
I, as you well know and care less, do not feel the invasion was the least bit necessary and given how it could not be justified without resorting to lies and cherry picked "intel", neither did the Bush gang. They have paid the price in a limited way. Losing control of the legislature is a small price to pay for the destruction of Iraq, 20,000 maimed and 3000 dead Americans. (I'll leave the Iraqi's out of this since none of you give a shit about them). When and if Bush is tossed into the dock, pronounced a criminal on the scale of, lets say Saddam (who was responsible for far fewer deaths and far less destruction), and sentenced to hang, then I'll be confidant he paid the price for his decisions.
Posted by: Strawman at November 09, 2006 08:05 AM (9ySL4)
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You're trackbacks don't work. So, this will have to suffice.
Posted by: Robbie at November 09, 2006 08:18 AM (foLp3)
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If you trust exit polls, Lieberman won because:
2/3rds of the voters were 45 yrs or older and they went mid-50% for Lieberman while Lamont only got mid-30's.
44% of the voters said Bush was not the dominant factor and 15% said they supported Bush -Lieberman got 70% of both those groups' vote.
Even of those who strongly (46%) or somewhat (20%) disapproved of the war in Iraq, Lieberman still got 30% and 62% respectively.
Lieberman got 55% of the independent vote.
And most telling, almost 60% said Lamont did not have enough experience and Lieberman got 75% of that vote (and the Republican got most of the rest). 15% of the 40% who thought Lamont had enough experience still voted for Lieberman.
In other words, Lamont needed to offer more than we differ on the war.
Annie -
I don't completely agree on the 3 and out analogy. If we are using football, I believe the more appropriate reference is people don't know where the first down markers and the goal line are. We have had a National Strategy for Victory in Iraq since Nov 2005 and I bet 999 out of 1000 people couldn't name the 3 broad tracks and the main objective under each. Every now and then the President will say "we've trained X number of Iraqis" but there is no context for that statement. In the football analogy, the team has had a 5 yard gain but nobody is sure if we are in in 3rd and short or 3rd and long.
Read Ralph Peter's op-ed in USA Today (2 Nov) -- and recall Hamilton's discussion in Federalist Papers #23: "means ought to be proportioned to ends."
Posted by: Col Steve at November 09, 2006 08:51 AM (pj2h7)
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If Straw wants Bush dead so much and can't afford to hire an assassin by conventional means, I recommend that he use this method of bargaining instead when contracting the hit.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 09, 2006 11:15 AM (dFOlH)
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The beginning of the end for the Republican revolution of '94 was exemplified by the sound of a zipper being pulled down.
It belonged to the genius who engineered the revolution and was making it tick.
I blame Newt Gingrich's dick.
Posted by: shelly at November 09, 2006 11:30 AM (SLFj+)
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First time poster, long time reader...
I have to disagree with you on one thing. I think 54 percent or so of the American voting public DID vote for cut and run Tuesday. I think the so called "libertarian" wing of the party is turning isolationaist, and that the fabled "swing voters" made a conscious decision that we should just cut our losses, and load up that last chopper out of Saigon, so to speak. What worries me, and what truly hurts, is that if we do that, it WILL probably be Vietnam redux...we'll essentially be leaving the people we went to help to die, while we turn our short attention spans to the latest Lost episode or how many touchdowns Peyton Manning threw.
Ironically, the Democrats have made much hay about how we're wasting the lives of our soldiers in Iraq. If we do pull out, then that's exactly what we'll have done, as all of our efforts there will have been for naught.
Posted by: Douglas at November 09, 2006 11:44 AM (IfCcM)
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you and I dont disagree Douglas. What happened is that the "cut and run" line was easy to sell to the swing voters. It wouldn't have been if there had been tangible progress in Iraq, instead of a situation that everyone admits is now getting worse.
Posted by: annika at November 09, 2006 12:06 PM (zAOEU)
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Col Steve -
You give the American public too much credit. I'd say 999 out of 1000 (alas myself included) don't even know there are broad tracks with objectives.
Posted by: DHammett at November 09, 2006 12:34 PM (J7BEJ)
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So, in the end, "Mission Accomplished" isn't and Rumsfeld took the fall. But where do we go from here? Do we cut and run, or do we listen to the generals that say that we need many more troops in Iraq? Even if Gates proposes the latter policy, it's not going to get through Congress. And Bush may even discover the veto and actually veto any troop reductions. So, in essence, the post-Rumsfeld troop levels will stay at the Rumsfeld-preferred levels - not too many, not too few.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at November 09, 2006 02:08 PM (YWsCw)
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One tires of that old canard, Canadastan breath. It was the ship that posted THEIR "Mission Accomplished" Banner upon returning to port from a long deployment, not the White House.
Posted by: Casca at November 09, 2006 03:21 PM (2gORp)
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Funny how the MSM has never bothered correcting that obvious distortion and in fact has perpetuated it without a hint of shame. Just one of the many lies spread by the Left that would never be allowed by the MSM if the tables were turned.
Posted by: blu at November 09, 2006 03:35 PM (/J4yP)
Posted by: Leif at November 09, 2006 05:14 PM (bakP3)
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Blu, Casca,
ThatÂ’s bullshit. Pure wishful bullshit that the troops lettered the sign, posted the sign and the poor schnook of a president and his oblivious handlers inadvertently allowed it to become his backdrop. Idiotic thinking.
If I remember that was the horseshit the Presidents press people cooked up as the excuse after everybody went nuts with what a piece of choreographed crap it was, him in his flight suit emerging from a plane where he sat in the 2 seat 30 miles off San Fran. Strutting his arrogant dimwitted ass across the deck. You think he saw the sign and thought "gee, I wonder if this might be a bit premature, might be kinda grandstanding like, better check with the media people and see if they thought this through". His people did the sign. His people put him under the sign; his people thought this was a fucking great idea because their heads were so far up their collective asses they thought the war was OVER and Iraq a nice secure protectorate! It was a seriously printed banner, not a paint brush on a sheet; it didn't get done spontaneously by the crew. The crap you get yourselves to believe is astounding.
Posted by: Strawman at November 09, 2006 06:30 PM (9ySL4)
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White House pressed on 'mission accomplished' sign
Navy suggested it, White House made it, both sides say
From Dana Bash
CNN Washington Bureau
Wednesday, October 29, 2003 Posted: 9:18 AM EST (1418 GMT)
Navy and administration sources said that though the banner was the Navy's idea, the White House actually made it.
Bush offered the explanation after being asked whether his speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq under the "Mission Accomplished" banner was premature, given that U.S. casualties in Iraq since then have surpassed those before it.
Posted by: Strawman at November 09, 2006 06:34 PM (9ySL4)
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Perhaps it works both ways:
1. For swing voters, Iraq is the big issue.
2. For some of the base and some of the libertarians it was the spending and corruption.
If you had good Iraq results but still had the other stuff, it might have turned out differently.
That said, if Iraq remained the same, but there had been excellent control of fiscal spending, no corruption, and good policies made, then it could also have been different.
Posted by: Aaron at November 09, 2006 07:16 PM (/nf1E)
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"The crap you get yourselves to believe is astounding."
Kind of like "Bush is responsible for more deaths than Sadaam"? Yeah, it is amazing to see the crap that people get themselves to believe.
The fact remains that the sign was associated not to the President or to a completed war but to that specific ship and its mission. Get over it.
Posted by: blu at November 09, 2006 09:31 PM (/J4yP)
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Strawfuck, we have learned some things from you here, e.g. you are both a fool and a liar, and you know nothing of the military. Back under your rock, slimey.
Posted by: Casca at November 09, 2006 09:55 PM (2gORp)
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I believe the disillusionment of the independents, and many of the 'base', was a combination of factors. The war issue was not just about a lack of victory, but about the full understanding of deception, followed by a number of other scandals that showed how arrogant some right-wingers really were.
The Gang of 14 was a ringing alarm that the arch-conservatives put back on snooze.
One of the final kickers was the private denigration of conservative religious leaders, discouraging or angering that portion of the base.
A Culture of Corruption is one thing, but to snicker at them behind their back supplied a handful of coffin nails.
People have short memories, however, so this does not mean 2008 is by any means a foregone conclusion.
Posted by: will at November 10, 2006 06:42 AM (h7Ciu)
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Blu,
Whether or not the sign was inspired by the tired sailors and marines who were out 190 days, it was hijacked by the president for his purposes. Right? Did anybody care what the original impetus was and what does it really matter? Should the MSM have reported on the event and put a crawl on the bottom of the screen explaining that the giant, 50 foot long, professionally made by the white house staff, red white and blue "Mission Accomplished" banner was the idea of the sailors and should in no way be construed to be the opinion of the president who is standing under it shouting "mission Accomplished" and waving his draft dodging hand like an ass." Yep, that should been the disclaimer
I guess in your distorted mind that would have made the press objective and unbiased.
Are you really being this foolish? Why Casca is is no mystery.
Posted by: Strawman at November 10, 2006 09:18 AM (9ySL4)
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"The Gang of 14 was a ringing alarm that the arch-conservatives put back on snooze."
excellent. that's such a great quote, i wish I'd said it first, will!
Posted by: annika at November 10, 2006 09:19 AM (qQD4Q)
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Feel free to use it if it strikes a chord.
On another note, was it just a couple of days ago that blu and strawman were having a reasoned discourse? I look forward to more of those, when they are both ready again.
Posted by: will at November 10, 2006 10:02 AM (h7Ciu)
Posted by: Strawman at November 10, 2006 11:34 AM (9ySL4)
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"when they are both ready again."
Both? I can appreciate the fence straddling, but it isn't Blu's fault that the comments degenerate. It can't be avoided since he's dealing with someone that is certifiably batshit crazy.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 10, 2006 11:41 AM (dFOlH)
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Thanks Reagan80.
Will, you may not agree with me, but I don't believe that I was being unreasonable. And, if Straw believes he was right then he wasn't being unreasonable either. Disagreement is not unreasonable.
Does reasonable in your world mean that you bend over and grab your ankles? split every argument down the middle? or articulate what you really believe? If you want to be a nancy boy or a cajone-less moderate, go for it.
But, hey, we all play on Annie's playround, so I promise to double-check my work and make certain I'm more thoughtful in my disagreement.
Posted by: blu at November 10, 2006 11:54 AM (/J4yP)
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Raygun,
Each time I re-read one of these old posts I still get a charge. Succinct, lucent, punchy, to the point and still a better evaluation of the reality of Iraq than anything you've ever written or thought of writing. Thanks for the memories.
You know its not that i don't feel for the guy's wife and kids, i really do. I just am so saddened by his thoughtless behavior and the choices he made as to how best to care for his family. A single guy with no dependants wants to drive a truck around Bagdad dodging IED's and rpg's is different. BTW, whatÂ’s keeping you over here? Lot's of opportunities for sharp dressed militarist like yourself.
Posted by: Strawman at November 10, 2006 03:04 PM (9ySL4)
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i don't agree...
the President is the only one who has waged a serious GWOT...
some Conservative pundits, critics, etc., got tunnel visioned, missing the larger picture.
the GWOT...
the Man who was asked by the American Public after 9-11, did so, was abandoned.
Conservatives seem to blame the Man for everything, but who expected him to do it alone?
for 6 long years the Liberals demeaned and slandered him, and Conservatives failed to defend him.
the wimpy Rhinos in the Senate only increased the problem, and the weak House Republicans helped with the folly as well.
but i would 'carry the water' for this President anyday.
i never expected perfection, and understood the alternative nightmare in the unethical DNC.
Posted by: hnav at November 11, 2006 09:57 AM (cAv4a)
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It's appalling to hear or see the phrase "cut and run," used by so many people who've never had to stand and fight.
Posted by: Marc at November 14, 2006 01:07 PM (KKAZS)
Some Quick Notes On The Punditry
Here are some notes that occur to me, reading the various conservative pundits doing their various post-election stuff.
1. I keep reading about how it's the Democrats' turn to govern. Congress does not govern. Congress legislates. It takes three branches to govern. Keep that in mind.
2. I keep reading about how "we'll get 'em back in two years." Not so fast. Iraq is the biggest problem that needs to be fixed, and soon. If Iraq is fixed, to the satisfaction of the electorate, then guess who gets the credit. Not us. If Iraq gets worse, Republicans might have a chance to say I told you so, but guess who the electorate will blame. Not the Democrats. And I for one, desperately want a victory in Iraq, regardless of who gets the credit. If that means a longer time in the wilderness, so be it. Our men and women in arms deserve victory, for all they've sacrificed. I hope, hope, hope, that victory is really part of the Democratic plan, and now that they've won, I'm willing to give them a fair chance to make their case.
3. I think yesterday eliminated four sure losers from running for the Republican nomination in '08. Santorum, Frist, Allen, and Romney. These guys all had their appeal for hopeful conservatives (maybe not Frist, who was an abysmal leader from the start), but none of them, in my view, had a snowball's chance against Hillary/Obama in today's environment. I'm glad they're off the table.
Update:
4. As the day wears on, I'm more and more disappointed with most of the big name pundits on the right: from Hugh Hewitt (who blames John McCain?!?!), to Rush Limbaugh (who boasts that Republicans are better than Democrats because we're not crying about fraud after a loss, then in almost the same breath demands an ACORN investigation). The first step is admitting there's a problem, fellas.
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Santorum, Frist, and Allen are all out -- but Romney? I'm not sure how he comes out of this looking bad. Explain.
Posted by: Hugo at November 08, 2006 12:51 PM (yLeev)
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Hugh asked my question exactly. Ahnold's victory proves that the right GOP candidate can attract Democratic voters in Blue States. Massachusetts is the bluest of blue states, yet Mitt Romney is a popular GOP governor there. I think yesterday enhanced his chances of nomination.
Posted by: Ralphyboy at November 08, 2006 12:57 PM (skVyJ)
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Bush has had the better part of four years to get this right, with a Republican Congress backing him up. I don't trust many Dems on national defense, but if guys like Lieberman and Webb are allowed to lead on this issue, I'm willing to give 'em a chance. Victory means a democratic, independent Iraq with a relatively stable government (not necessarily without any crime or terrorism). I really don't care how we get there.
Posted by: Matt at November 08, 2006 01:00 PM (10G2T)
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Santorum doesn't belong on that list. One of the days other big losers is our answer to Obama, Ken Blackwell who lost the Governor's race in Ohio.
Posted by: Casca at November 08, 2006 01:01 PM (Y7t14)
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Annie,
No, we won't get 'em back in two years. But if this makes the Repubs remember what they used to be all about, it'll be worth it to me if it takes six or eight years to get 'em back. Because if the only choice is Dems and Dems (Lite), well, fuck -- we might as well just go ahead and get it over with.
Posted by: Matt at November 08, 2006 01:04 PM (10G2T)
Posted by: reagan80 at November 08, 2006 01:39 PM (dFOlH)
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Deval Patrick (who makes Mike Dukasis look like a centrist) won by a landslide over Romney's Lt-Governor. Given Massachusetts is already bluer than blue, the results reinforce the fact Romney has no coattails. He was elected in 2002 in the wake of 9/11 with less than 50% of the vote because of his outsider against the democratic Beacon Hill insiders image (and his opponent ran a terrible campaign). Note how the Rhode Island Republican Governor won re-election by touting his taking on the corrupt insiders image in spite of a democratic landslide (even the RHINO Lincoln Chaffee got booted by a guy who's only platform was Linc Chaffee = more George Bush friendly Senate).
Romney = republican equivalent of nominating Mike Dukasis in 1988.
Posted by: Col Steve at November 08, 2006 01:57 PM (pj2h7)
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The elephant in the room associated to Romney is his religion. Is this country ready for a Mormon President? Is the Republican Party ready for a leader that comes from a cult? I don't want to offend anybody, but these people believe some pretty crazy stuff. Many of us mock Islam for its bizarre beliefs. What do you think the MSM and opponents are going to do with Mormon beliefs?
Hey, I think Romney is an attractive candidate: well-spoken, smart, thoughtful, and he appears very genuine. But let's not pretend that his religion doesnÂ’t matter. It does. It will.
For me the most fundamental issue is the GWOT. I want somebody who understands it, will confront it, and is willing to talk honestly about it. Secondly, I want somebody who believes in smaller (but effective) government. Thirdly, I want a leader who understands basic economics and that Keynes was wrong. A social conservative is fine, but if he/she wants to place abortion and gay marriage on the front burner, I want nothing to do with them. Those issues have to be lower priority and, in fact, are issues that should be determined by individual states. Further, I donÂ’t want another Rep who claims to be conservative but spends money on social programs like fucking LBJ.
For the time-being, IÂ’ll be supporting Giuliani for 2008.
Posted by: blu at November 08, 2006 02:18 PM (j8oa6)
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"A social conservative is fine, but if he/she wants to place abortion and gay marriage on the front burner, I want nothing to do with them." That's why Romney would lose in '08.
I had read that the Patrick victory in MA was considered a repudiation of Romney as governor. Thanks Col Steve for explaining the details.
Posted by: annika at November 08, 2006 02:22 PM (zAOEU)
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Having not been in office during the bloodbath, Giuliani comes out on top.
If the Republicans can finally get the message that you need to not piss off your base, and you need to make reasonable appeals to people's concerns and their pocketbook instead of just trying to scare them.
Then they can (under new leadership) make a strong comeback. Because moderate conservatism will always sell well in this nation if the people believe you.
Of course, if the Dems pick up the torch and work with the president to ease us out of Iraq, keep some of the tax cuts so the economy doesn't slow down, and act mature about border security and immigration reform, then they will be the majority party forever.
However, I am pretty sure they are incapable of such sober judgments.
Posted by: kyle8 at November 08, 2006 03:43 PM (BytpM)
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Ms. Annika,
I listened to Rush for all three hours today. Your tid-bit in #4 certainly was not a faithful summary of his election thoughts, which were actually fairly thoughtful and pretty tough on the current Congressional leadership and the Administration.
Your Rush bias is almost as bad as my Michael Savage bias. (I'm not comparing them, BTW.)
Posted by: blu at November 08, 2006 04:21 PM (/J4yP)
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Boy, how much fun is this? I am savoring every moment of listening to you folks sift through the ashes.
Had only Iraq remained on the map then none of this would have happened. We would still be over flying, they would still have no WMD's or any other capacity to do any harm, Afganistan might be stable and poppy free, and Bin Laden dead. ANd let's not forget the untold numbers of young jihadists that might still be living in their parents home, going to High School or University, with no burning desire to run off to Iraq to confront the infidels. Gee, that scenerio really scares me, how about you Blu? Two more years of the dim wit and a good shot at '08. How bad that would have been from your perspective?
Posted by: Strawman at November 08, 2006 05:05 PM (9ySL4)
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Savor it, Straw. Your side won. You should enjoy it while you can.
But, here is the rub. Now you guys have to govern. That will be a problem though because you don't have any ideas...besides raising the minimum wage (and putting teenagers out of work.) It might actually be fun to watch a brain-dead and morally bankrupt party try to govern. (Quick: tell me the three big ideas for public policy that Dem ran-on for this election?)
I'm dying to hear the Dem plan for the first 100 days. Here's what I suggest: raise the minimum wage; grant amnesty for illegal aliens; layout pullout plans from Iraq. And, of course, begin the impeachment case against Bush and the war-crimes trial for Rummy.
My prediction is two years of Dems doing nothing, hoping they can coast into '08 without hurting themselves too much.
Posted by: blu at November 08, 2006 07:45 PM (/J4yP)
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At least I'm content with the fact that Straw's side was on the receiving end of the Donkey Punch of 2004.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 08, 2006 09:15 PM (dFOlH)
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Blu is right, Annika, Rush didn't demand an investigation of ACORN. He couldn't. The investigation of ACORN began before Election day.
Posted by: Vinnie at November 08, 2006 11:19 PM (/qy9A)
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and the Tooth Fairy really exists. Pacifying the Pashtuns was never going to be easy, and there is no way in hell we could pacify them AND eliminate their poppy growing proclivity.
Maybe some of the dumber jihadis would not have made the trip to Iraq, but the serious ones would have been in Pakistan for sure.
Posted by: Aaron at November 09, 2006 02:47 AM (svXR7)
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Blu,
If you had read my post and not read into it, you would notice I did not say a word about Democrats and their ideas for governing. (Although I don't agree with you about the minium wage. losing teenagers who presumely have no dependents but increasing the income to a family that might have two low wage earners in not a bad thing.) I don't think they have much of a chance of resolving Iraq in a way that resembles Annie's definition of "winning". I don't think anybody at this point does. This is one fucking omlet congealing on the pavement. The Bush gang, fat stupid and full of a mandate they did not posses wriggled down a hole and got stuck. Like the Intrepid, which six tugboats have failed to move, Democrats or anyone else that might be enlisted to get their sorry asses out of this are destined to fail. This is why I think Rove's strategy was to lose the election, turn the pot of steamy shit over to the Dem's and then ask America in two years how they liked the meal. This will give them a fighting chance in 08, the alternative would have led to a rout in 08 since the meal the R's would be serving up would be no tastier
Posted by: Strawman at November 09, 2006 09:05 AM (9ySL4)
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"I think Rove's strategy was to lose the election..."
lol, even when you win, it's a Rove conspiracy!
Posted by: annika at November 09, 2006 11:00 AM (9v8pa)
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A,
These people are nuts. I was talking to one of the moonbats yesterday, who obviously is reading one of the myriad of looney left-wing blogs, and he said something to the effect that Bush was suffering from early signs of dementia based on his inability to speak well. You see, according to the moonbats, Bush was a pretty decent speaker - not stumbling over his words like he does now - when he was governor of Texas. All of this is of course absurd - he was mocked in Texas for his less than gifted speaking abilities. But, as Straw often proves, if you keep repeating your own lies long enough (e.g. Bush is responsible for more deaths than Hussein), you begin to believe them.
So, though we have lost, always remember who the opposition is - these people. It's sort of like losing a game to an inferior opponent because you took them too lightly. You are rightly embarrassed but also realize that you are superior in every fashion and will beat them 9 out of 10 times.
Posted by: blu at November 09, 2006 11:17 AM (/J4yP)
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Amen, blu. I'd rather be strong in '08 than '06.
Posted by: Casca at November 09, 2006 11:44 AM (Y7t14)
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Blu,
Straw reminds me of the poseur from the bar scene in Good Will Hunting.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 09, 2006 11:49 AM (dFOlH)
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speaking of losing to an inferior opponent, SC sure came back from that OSU loss. 42 to nothing against Stanford!
Posted by: annika at November 09, 2006 12:11 PM (zAOEU)
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Other than history, there's no reason to assume that the Democrats can't "govern." The first Article of the Constitution is about Congress, and in the original view the President was the person who executed Congress' wishes. Over the years (especially since Andrew Jackson), the President has taken more and more responsibility for setting the direction of the country, but some argue that recent presidents have been unConstitutional in their actions (the main gripe - waging war without a formal declaration from Congress as required by the Constitution). Theoretically, the Democrats could govern by setting an agenda and passing bills that reflect their wishes, hoping that President "What's a Veto?" Bush will just roll along. Contrast this with Gerald Ford, who knew what a veto was and knew how to use it.
Also, I wouldn't count 2006 losers out just yet, for two reasons. First, you can bounce back from a loss - look at Richard Nixon. Second, unlike those in office, the losers have a whole lot of free time to go to Iowa and New Hampshire, and if George Allen can make a persuasive case in the coffeshops, he may get more than "Big Mo."
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at November 09, 2006 02:16 PM (YWsCw)
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An easy decision for Rove, he's gone. Shows some Bush leadership (since he did lose this election for us because the congressional leadership defaulted to him on the country's agenda), PLUS it Gives the dems something practical to wrassle with; i expect extensive hearings and questioning of the nominee, which isn't bad per se. And, in listening to the prez's press conference right now, truly I hate bush's frat boy chuckle.
Posted by: Scof at November 08, 2006 12:29 PM (a3fqn)
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A few months ago I read an interview with an outgoing Army general, logistician-type, who helped write the war plan for Iraq. He said very plainly that Rummy refused to let them even plan for the post-war period, and finally threatened to fire anyone who so much as mentioned it again.
That's when I went well and truly sour on Rummy. Good riddance.
Posted by: Matt at November 08, 2006 12:46 PM (10G2T)
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What's up with the White House? Appointing a guy who had his first nomination as CIA director withdrawn because of linkage to Iran-Contra is opening up a can of worms when the point of Rumsfeld's resignation is to defuse controversary. Can't wait for Carl Levin to schedule the nomination hearings on the same day as Daniel Ortega's inauguration in Nicaragua!
What about floating Joe Leiberman's name? I doubt he'd take it given CT has a Republican governor, but that would have opened up some interesting possibilities. At the mid-term point of a lame duck Presidency, the Secretary of Defense will have little impact on the future of the military. The focus is on executing and institutionalizing the policies and strategies -- actually managing and running the Department of Defense. This nomination is not to recycle a family loyalist.
The good thing is the in-box of many Pentagon action officers just became significantly lighter.
Posted by: Col Steve at November 08, 2006 12:48 PM (pj2h7)
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How about the fact that Rummy is SecDef until his heir is blessed & sworn. He's a good soldier. He can make a few unpopular decisions that can help the guys doing the dirty work, and take the blame with him.
Posted by: Casca at November 08, 2006 03:39 PM (Y7t14)
It's A New Day
It looks like I was almost spot on with my Senate predictions. If things turn out as they look like they're headed, the only race that I will not have called will be Virginia, and that only by a couple thousand votes. So I think you all better start paying attention to me. ; )
Regarding the California ballot, the news this morning is particularly disheartening. Tom McClintock lost the Lt. Governor's race to John Garamendi. I like Garamendi, but McClintock was a solid guy, and very popular. I really thought he was going to win, but this is a Democratic year and he had an R by his name.
Jerry Brown is our new Attorney General. This guy is a disgrace. His opponent had some hard hitting ads, which sounded like they were made up because they were so outrageous, but in Jerry Brown's case, the attacks were true.
Our anti-Kelo proposition went down by five points. I don't think proponents spent enough money advertising that one, though.
All the bonds won, and the parental notification measure lost. No surprise there.
The only really good California result I can point to is that Cruz Bustamonte did not win the Insurance Commissioner job. (And no, I do not include Arnold's win as a good thing.) Oh, and Prop 87, the alternative energy referendum, also went down handily.
I have a post-election post in my head, which I've been ruminating on since last weekend. It's coming, I just don't have time to write it now. The working title of the piece is "I Blame Bush," so stay tuned.
A final note before I rush off to class, and I'm sincere about this. Despite yesterday's defeat, today is a good day.
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Annie, you were so kind to me in my bitter disappointment two years ago. I know that mix of frustration and resolve you feel now.
Let's take it out on Arizona, USC, and Stanford.
Posted by: Hugo Schwyzer at November 08, 2006 09:47 AM (yLeev)
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During this excursion into the political wilderness, our guys will hopefully learn to stop acting like Johnson Democrats. I'm confident that the Cooch-eunuch...err...I mean...Kucinich Democrats in the House will self-destruct before 2008. Maybe Bush will finally start to veto some spending bills instead of being a damn Third Way-er.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 08, 2006 10:02 AM (dFOlH)
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Hugo, you bring a tear to my eye.
Yes, let's hope Cal runs the table too.
Posted by: annika at November 08, 2006 10:19 AM (zAOEU)
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Oh, Surprise, surprise! He dumped Rumnuts! How quickly two years go by.
Constently assessing, constently changing tactics, constantly assessing the objective.
Now I'll work with the democrats so that we can do big things for America.....together.
I thought we were gonna do fine yesterday......Shows what I know, heh heh.....
What a schmuck. Homer Simpson is more presidential
Posted by: Strawman at November 08, 2006 11:25 AM (9ySL4)
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The Jerry Brown thing scares me the most, I think, and there's not much margin for error left in California. You called him a disgrace, but I think that was being polite...
Posted by: Mike at November 08, 2006 12:59 PM (Eodj2)
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A state that would elect Jerry Brown deserves him. Fucking unbelievable.
With that said, the only liberal talk show I've ever listened to and actually liked was Jerry Brown's show. Weird.
Posted by: blu at November 08, 2006 02:25 PM (j8oa6)
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Mailed my ballot in last week, voted the Annica party line!
Posted by: wayne at November 07, 2006 07:33 AM (1wBAs)
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Thanks Ms. Annie. I just voted. Living in mid-town/downtown Sac means that the poll worker gave me a dirty look when learning that I am, gasp, a Republican. The scowl was fucking priceless. Of course, the very fact that I'm a Rep, and she likely a useless welfare grubbing Dem can generally provide a contrast between us: I'm likely smarter, better educated, and make more fucking money. Yeah, take that you commie judgemental be-yatch!
I realize that it was 7:30 AM, but turnout at my polling place, which is always busy on Presidential years, was dead this morning. Good for us because I live in a solid "Blue" part of town.
Posted by: blu at November 07, 2006 09:00 AM (MKP3x)
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The Democrat mantra has started this morning: "voting irregularities."
How can the MSM allow the party that invented and continues to refine voting fraud get away with such ridiculous hypocrisy? Stupid question as the MSM has tried to supress Rep voting by claiming for the past 6 months that the Dems were guranteed victory today.
A Rep hold in both the House and Senate will be as sweet as a Presidential win for me. The MSM bias during this cycle is the worst I've ever seen.
Posted by: blu at November 07, 2006 10:37 AM (MKP3x)
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I hope you report the results on these propositions. It is difficult for us outside of California to find out what happened.
Posted by: Jake at November 07, 2006 06:10 PM (V6rxT)
Posted by: Scof at November 07, 2006 03:48 PM (a3fqn)
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I early voted on Halloween. It was at the library. I thought about checking out a book, but then I didn't. Afterwards, I went trick-or-treating at a church fair. The candy was lackluster; the hot dogs were excellent.
Posted by: Leif at November 07, 2006 03:55 PM (tYFtb)
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We absentee voted in MO. The funny thing was they sent me a military ballot and my husband a regular one, which meant he had to get it notarized. No big deal, but it seems they should've known which one to send to him.
Posted by: Sarah at November 07, 2006 04:18 PM (7Wklx)
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I voted before work in my pajamas at 6:30AM.
My senate vote went to Tom Kean. The Democrat incumbant is one more in the culture of corruption the state democrats seem to embrace, but NJ voters are stupid and will probably re-elect him despite this.
I didn't vote down-the line Republican, my congressman (who has no detectable threat) had been very responsive to a couple of issues I've written to him about, and despite being a democrat, I'm happy with Rush Holt (NJ) so he earned my vote.
Township committee had no republican challengers so I wrote myself in.
I was the 2nd person to vote from my district, my wife was the first, that place was empty aside from the election volunteers at 6:30AM.
I can't wait to see the results from across the country, though I fear the outcome.
Posted by: Rob at November 07, 2006 05:40 PM (Q2xwR)
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What a bunch of homos. I went to the polls, and voted with the unwashed. In deference to them, I too was unwashed and just off a bike ride, plus the Santa Annas are blowing so it was about 80, nice and stinky.
At the polling place where I had voted the last two times, I found that I no longer vote there. Big fucking surprise, I've been moved a half dozen times in the eight years I've lived here. Went home and fucked with the San Diego County BOE website until it shit out my current polling place. That took about a half hour.
Went to the newly remodled library two blocks away, and wandered around until I found the polls. Not a single fucking sign in front of the bibliotheka, but inside I was efficiently directed to the correct precinct by freshly scrubbed eager types. After making me sign by my name, I was handed a smartcard, which I plugged into the first free Diebold touchscreen machine where I voted the straight Annikan ticket with one deviation. Did I mention that I was between a woman in her ninties who was reading the ballot aloud, very annoying, and some foreign fuck who was having trouble reading at all, while he was sneezing and hacking all over me? Well I was.
After finishing my selections, and leaving my neighbors struggling with the tech side of things, I handed my smartcard back to the fetching gal at the table, and requested a handful of hand sanitizer. They had none. I went home and washed.
In the interest of full disclosure. Diebolds is headquartered in my hometown, Canton, Ohio. That is unless they've gotten smart like me and moved on. What a moneymaker this wheez must be for them. It wasn't much easier than filling in the little circle on the scan sheet.
Posted by: Casca at November 07, 2006 05:52 PM (2gORp)
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You shoulda voted absentee in Canton; maybe your vote might have meant something.
Posted by: shelly at November 07, 2006 06:43 PM (SLFj+)
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But then, who can really concentrate on this meaningless stuff when really important news is breaking - like Brittany Spears kissing off her asshole dependent?
Posted by: shelly at November 07, 2006 06:47 PM (SLFj+)
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I would have voted for you Rob.
I just voted. Brisk business at my polling place, but no lines. And no problems.
Fox just announced DeWine lost, Menendez won, and Santorum lost. As I predicted so far.
Posted by: annika at November 07, 2006 06:48 PM (qQD4Q)
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Hello, I noticed the huge number of replys in the LGF blog. I voted absentee a while ago. I'm from Maryland and voted for Steele and am hoping that my one vote will turn the tide for him!
Posted by: Drake Steele at November 07, 2006 06:50 PM (+vXQY)
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ELECTION PREDICTION:
IF THE DEMS WIN, THEN THE ENEMY WILL HAND OUT CANDY IN GAZA JUST LIKE THEY DID ON 9/11.
Posted by: reliapundit at November 07, 2006 07:18 PM (wQPyA)
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I was one of the unwashed voting the straight annika ticket after a few hours of sheetrocking my kitchen. I especially voted a BIG NO for a special new $150 million library in downtown Oakland billing property owners an additional $500 fucking each per year for 30 years knowing they would not be able to finish the motherfucker without going way over budget in a million fucking years. FUCK THEM ALL TO FUCKING HELL!
Posted by: d-rod at November 07, 2006 07:30 PM (A7mUo)
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Shelly, as you know, minor league ballot box stuffing is not beneath me, however in this case it would have been pissing in the wind. Effort is admirable, accomplishment is valuable.
Posted by: Casca at November 07, 2006 07:41 PM (2gORp)
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I spent the a.m. w/ my ballot guides and the computer, researching candidates and issues and marking the guides w/ my votes in bright red Sharpie. I liked the Diebold machine. It was quick and easy. I waited for my illiterate neighbor to come banging on my door at dinner time, like she did in '04, cursing her 41-year-old son who wasn't home from work in time to take her to the polls. It would've taken forever to talk her through the ballot so I'm glad she was covered this time.
Posted by: Joules at November 09, 2006 11:18 PM (u4CYb)
Memo To The Disgruntled Pro-Life Voter
Along the same lines as my "Memo To The Disgruntled Independent Voter" below, I have a message for those voters whose main issue is opposition to abortion.
What are you doing thinking about staying home tomorrow? I understand your frustration at Bush, and the Republicans, and their betrayal of conservative values. But I also know that a Democratic Congress will lead directly to fewer restrictions on abortion, and more pro-abortion federal judges. Maybe you're okay with that, but I won't have that vote on my conscience.
If you say you're pro-life, your only choice is to vote — and to vote Republican. Staying home is not an option.
Memo To The Disgruntled Independent Voter
I agree that the number one issue in tomorrow's election is the war in Iraq. I also agree that things are not going well over there, and it's time for a change. I understand that a lot of independent voters want to give the Democrats a try, with the hope that maybe they can do better than Bush in what seems like a no win situation. Believe me, I share your frustration.
But remember, not all change is good. Sometimes things can change for the worse. Please read Frederick Kagan's column in the Weekly Standard. Here's a key excerpt.
The pullback of U.S. forces to their bases will not reduce the sectarian conflict . . . . It will increase it. Death squads on both sides will become more active. Large-scale ethnic and sectarian cleansing will begin as each side attempts to establish homogeneous enclaves where there are now mixed communities. Atrocities will mount, as they always do in ethnic cleansing operations. Iraqis who have cooperated with the Americans will be targeted by radicals on both sides. Some of them will try to flee with the American units. American troops will watch helplessly as death squads execute women and children. Pictures of this will play constantly on Al Jazeera. Prominent "collaborators," with whom our soldiers and leaders worked, will be publicly executed. Crowds of refugees could overwhelm not merely Iraq's neighbors but also the FOBs themselves. Soldiers will have to hold off fearful, tearful, and dangerous mobs. Again, endless photographs and video footage of all this will play constantly. Before long, it will probably prove necessary to remove the embedded U.S. troops from the Iraqi military units. The situation will become too dangerous; the Iraqis will increasingly resent the restraint the embeds place on their actions; and the U.S. military will become fearful of being implicated in death-squad activity. It is a matter of chance whether the embedded troops are pulled before any are kidnapped or taken prisoner by Iraqi military units turning bad or being infiltrated by radicals.
. . . There will be no "decent interval" here during which we withdraw in reasonably good order--the withdrawal itself is likely to occur in the midst of rising violence. Instead of pictures of Americans on the embassy roof in Saigon, we will see images of Iraqi death squads at work with U.S. troops staying on their bases nearby. And let us not forget that in the world of Al Jazeera, we will be accused of encouraging those death squads. The overall result will be searing and scarring. The damage to the morale of the military could be far greater than what will result from burdening soldiers with longer or more frequent tours of duty in a stepped-up effort to achieve victory. Those who are concerned about the well-being of the Army should fear defeat of this type more than anything.
We know these things to be possible, because they've happened before: after Vietnam.
Do you want your vote to be responsible for the reign of terror that will inevitably follow our retreat from Iraq? I know no matter how pissed I am at the mistakes and the lack of progress, I don't want that blood on my conscience.
There is no third way; there is only defeat or victory. And thus the choice tomorrow is clear, because you know what the Democrats want to do. Even if you don't believe the Democrats want us to lose, you should give serious thought to whether you want us to lose, and to what would happen if we were to begin withdrawing forces from Iraq now, when they're needed there most.
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We can stop terrorists, but we can't stop a civil war; just get caught up in it.
Posted by: Talmadge East at November 06, 2006 03:39 PM (yeLux)
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Annika,
I don't think the choices are quite as limited as you would like to believe thereby presenting you with only one voting option. I heard Kagan on the Lehrer show the other night and thought he was right on the mark. He sounded incredibly informed and reasonable and what you reprint seems to be as well.
I don't think he would agree with your choice of what losing means or what a victory might look like. Or even using these simplifications to describe any outcome.
I am at a loss to conceive of a way by which we might "fix" this situation. This is hardly the same as winning. Nor do I think pulling out would be a loss (since we really aren't fighting anybody in particular; certainly not an enemy that presented a threat to America) as much as it would be a tragedy of immense proportion tacked onto the current tragedy that is ongoing and also major. It would be the acknowledgement of a blunder of immense proportion: a foreign policy agenda that was, as many knew from the start, doomed by its hubris, ignorance , craven wish for revenge and shallow analysis of the nature of the forces that attacked America .
Bush and his cronies have broken something and rendered it unfixable. The horrific miscalculations that they employed as the basis for the invasion and the resolution they envisioned will be treated by history as a blunder on a scale never seen before in this nationÂ’s short history. We cannot "win" if winning means installing an "elected" government that will have the will and means to enforce the rule of law over this culturally diverse nation which is infected with the deep and irreconcible religious and cultural differences. No rule of law will succeeded unless a brutal tyrant commanding a loyal military and secret police can be resurrected. Or a colonial power is found that is willing to fully occupy Iraq with 5-7 hundred thousand troops, crush the resistance and then provides ongoing and open-ended support for an unpopular government as the British did too many times to mention.
Needless to say neither of these two scenarios is going to happen.
The Dem's will talk pull-out and may also may try diplomatic initiatives with neighbors, especially Iran and quite possible it will all come to nothing and two years from now they country will be just as bogged down as now. But what they wonÂ’t do is simply abandon Iraq. They, like you, would not want the consequences on their conscience.
I am very pessimistic. I see no way to right this wrong with out a continuation of the bloodshed and I have no hope of a substantive change in the status of the Iraqi government.
Part of me would like the see the balance in the house and senate maintained for another two years insuring a Democratic victory in '08. W is rapidly becoming megalomaniacal and so distant from reality that his total and through meltdown with out any help from a powershft would be gratifying
Posted by: Strawman at November 06, 2006 07:12 PM (9ySL4)
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Thanks for the reminder Annika.
I know almost nothing about military strategy, and I bet the strawman knows about as little as I do.
The majority of people in the military seem to agree with your analysis. Shouldn't their expertise be given some credence? Sure you can find a handful who disagree, but in the main, read the mil bloggers ...
btw, I have a new url for things you should do
Posted by: irishlass at November 07, 2006 09:49 AM (BPJO6)
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Why write "elected?" There is no proof whatsoever of rigged voting in the Iraq elections. There is more likely more voting fraud perpetuated by American Democrats than there was by those in Iraq.
Posted by: blu at November 07, 2006 10:34 AM (MKP3x)
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BLu,
I didn't say voting fraud. I was watching a documentary as I mentioned the other night made by a women who spent 6 months with various Iraqi families leading up to the election and the aftermath. One family, educated people, father a doctor sat watching TV one night belitteling Bush's statements about fighting them in Bagdad not in Austin and laughing also about the puppet government the US installed.
I don't really know too much about the process by which candidates were certified which is, I suppose, as important as the vote casting process if you want to evaluate the Democratic process. So I based my comment on this Iraqi doctor's comment. Prolly no better than anything you have to offer I'm sure.
Posted by: Strawman at November 07, 2006 11:25 AM (9ySL4)
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Well, except that the entire international community was watching and evaluating the Iraq elections. There were no major problems found. (Luckily, Jimmy Carter wasn't in charge because as we know he certified Chavez's election despite his party's Nazi-like tactics and obvious and real intimidation of his rivals. But, then again, Dems love their Commies.)
And, of course, the other obvious comment is who did put together your documentary. If it was done by a left-winger or PBS, there is a good chance it was blatantly and unashamedly bias and probably full of errors. Thank God Michael Moore really raised the bar for the documentary....
Posted by: blu at November 07, 2006 11:59 AM (MKP3x)
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Blu,
The money for the documentary was some small funding organizations. I know the producer. This was a simple follow people around and hear what they have to say. Follow people around and observe the conditions of their lives, no commentary, no editorializing. You, Blu, if you cared to, could see it for your self. Without too much effort most things of this nature are DL able. Title is "My COuntry, My COuntry"
Rather than telling me how bad the barn smells inside, why don't you go on in.
Nice to see my boy Danny Ortega making a comeback! BTW, did you know Nicaragua is only a two day march from Texas? I heard that nit wit Ronny Raygun on NPR this morning in a program about Ortega. Sound familiar? The Republicans have using those fear tactics forever. What would they do without fear?
Posted by: Strawman at November 07, 2006 02:09 PM (9ySL4)
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More interestingly, did you hear that he (Ortega) converted to Catholicism?
Posted by: blu at November 07, 2006 02:28 PM (MKP3x)
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No, I had not! Pretty weird. Does that mean he won't try to reverse the total ban on abortion they passed last month?
Posted by: Strawman at November 07, 2006 03:06 PM (9ySL4)
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I think that he was campaigning like he wouldn't...but politicians are politicians in every country. So, who knows.
Posted by: blu at November 07, 2006 03:10 PM (MKP3x)
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"I don't want that blood on my conscience."
This sounds a bit too strident, blame-transferring, and fear-instilling. The situation is probably already beyond restoration, so staying for 4 more years will likely accomplish little.
The Administration blundered too many times, from WMD deception and losing Bin Laden, to Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, and resurgent Taliban, and Iraqi militias.
Posted by: will at November 07, 2006 07:49 PM (h7Ciu)
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This is the mantra that scares the hell out of me
Alcee L. Hastings Chairman of the Intelligence committee
Alcee L. Hastings Chairman of the Intelligence committee
Alcee L. Hastings Chairman of the Intelligence committee
He was impeached and removed from his federal judgeship in 1989 for conspiring to take a $150,000 bribe and give light sentences to two convicted swindlers.
Posted by: Jake at November 05, 2006 04:03 PM (V6rxT)
Posted by: annika at November 05, 2006 08:33 PM (OBxeU)
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Here's an example of a reply I sent to anyone who sent me propaganda about fradulent elections when the Repubs have won.
IF THE DEMOIDS GAIN ANY SEATS IN THE HOUSE IT'S ONLY BECAUSE THEY HAVE GENIUSES LIKE NANCY PELOSI AND JOHN KERRY RIGGING THE ELECTIONS!!! DON'T FORGET THE DEMONCRATS OPPOSED IRAQ'S LIBERATION AND THEY WOULD LOVE FOR SADDAM TO STILL BE RULING THE COUNTRY INSTEAD OF HANGING FROM A TREE FOR CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY!!
AND THE DOW IS OVER 12,500%#$@%^!!!
Posted by: d-rod at November 06, 2006 09:23 AM (d7VOh)
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Oh--I was trying to _forget_ Nancy Pelosi from San Francisco so I could keep focused on my work today.
Posted by: Joules at November 06, 2006 11:25 AM (u4CYb)
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Pelosi and the Dems are already beginning the mantra about "voting irregularities." This time they are complaining about issues with electronic voting. You know the electronic fix that they clamored for after their idiot voters couldn't figure out a very, very, very simple ballot - a ballot with which 7-year old children had no problem.
Recent polls have them reeling. So, they are starting usual Dem bullshit. If they don't win, they will say it was because the election was "stolen." Sound familiar? These guys don't like Democracy unless they get the outcome they want.
They may win, but they are pathetic.
Posted by: blu at November 06, 2006 01:50 PM (IDpQp)
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Denny Hastert knew bout Mark Foley; did nothing.
Denny Hastert knew bout Mark Foley; did nothing.
Denny Hastert knew bout Mark Foley; did nothing.
Posted by: Talmadge East at November 06, 2006 03:41 PM (yeLux)
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Talmadge,
You managed to be grammatically incorrect three times in a row.
Posted by: blu at November 06, 2006 05:00 PM (IDpQp)
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Nancy Pelosi leads the Democrats with a fiery style that could make her the first woman Speaker of the House.
Posted by: Diamonds at November 07, 2006 02:44 PM (GY5SM)
I Go On The Record — Update
On Tuesday I went on the record, saying that the Democrats will pick up five Senate seats to split the upper house 50/50. I just spent the last hour re-analyzing the latest polls, and I stand by that prediction.
Democrats will gain seats in Missouri, Montana, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Rhode Island. Republicans will fail to take over Democratic seats in Maryland, New Jersey and Minnesota. Republicans will hold on to their seats in Virginia and Tennessee.
The races where I might be wrong are, of course, the hotly contested Montana and Missouri elections.
Montana perplexes me. I don't know enough about the issues to say why, but Democrat Tester has consistently polled ahead of Republican Burns since April. It might be Tester's haircut. Tester's ads portray him as a regular guy, someone you could have a beer with. By contrast, Burns seems more like, well, Mr. Burns. The race is still close. The latest Zogby poll has Burns down by a percentage point. But I'm still calling it for Tester. I think Montanans are turned off by Burns' alleged Abramoff connections, and Tester is a native who looks the part. I also think you can probably trust Montana poll numbers more than you would some other state's.
In Missouri, Republican incumbent Jim Talent is polling about three points behind Democrat Claire McCaskill. The polls have switched back and forth all year between the two candidates. If I'm wrong about any of my predictions, Missouri is likely to be the one. But I think Missouri is a weird state; it seems so evenly split between red and blue. One thing I think McCaskill has going for her is that there are large urban areas where the Democrats can use fraud to add a few unearned points to her total. Talent seems like a good guy though, and I hope he wins.
I could also be wrong about Virginia. I predict Republican incumbent George Allen will hold on to win, despite recent polls showing Democrat Jim Webb with a one to five point advantage. I'm sticking with Allen because I trust Virginia is at heart a conservative state, and I don't trust the pollsters there. When was the last time a Democrat won a national election in Virginia? Okay, Chuck Robb, but he was a centrist. Webb may have a certain appeal to conservatives, but if voting for him means handing the Senate over to the Democrats, I think Virginians will do the right thing.
Finally, I'm still sticking with my prediction that Maryland's open Senate seat will remain in Democrat hands. When was the last time a Republican won a national election in Maryland? And my fraud theory holds here too. I really hope Steele wins, though. After what they've done and said about him, Steele's Democrat critics ought to wear sheets and hoods. It's disgusting.
My best case scenario for Republicans has them maintaining a Senate majority by three seats. Santorum, DeWine and Chafee are toast. But if Steele, Talent and Burns win, there's our three seats. Of course I'm still assuming that Allen and Corker win Virginia and Tennessee, but I think they will.
The House is way too complicated for me to analyze, so like I said before: trust Gerrymandering.
Update: See how far out on a limb I am? Only one guy at the Weekly Standard agrees with me.
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I think the Republicans will pick up seats both in the Senate and the House. It will be a Demoblowout.
Posted by: Jake at November 04, 2006 04:32 PM (V6rxT)
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The folks at The Weekly Standard are split on on whether Reps keep the Senate. They are nearly unanimous that the Dems will pick up anywhere from 20 to 35 house seats; and, thus, gain control of the House.
I'm not quite as bleak: I think we keep the Sentate (barely), but have a hard time seeing how we keep the House when are having to compete at this late date in traditionally Red states that have voted overwhelmingly for Bush.
There have just been too many "October Surprises" in the MSM this year. Give the MSM credit, though, they carried the Dems water well this time and the Reps never played good offense.
Posted by: blu at November 04, 2006 07:46 PM (IDpQp)
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Jake, as Shelly would say if he was sentient, from your lips to God's ears.
In the words of Allan Rickman in Bob Roberts, "I am going to pray". If you've never seen it, it's a deliciously classic liberal attempt to lampoon conservatives, that has exactly the opposite effect.
Posted by: Casca at November 05, 2006 09:53 AM (2gORp)
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I think the Demotards will still pull off the House.
BUT if they don't, just think how much fun it will be ragging their ass for the next two years.
Posted by: kyle8 at November 05, 2006 02:50 PM (4oxBZ)
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Well, my husband and I did our part to keep Missouri...now we wait.
Posted by: Sarah at November 06, 2006 06:10 AM (7Wklx)
6 When was the last time a Democrat won a national election in Virginia? Okay, Chuck Robb, but he was a centrist.
So winning the Governor's mansion is irrelevant?
Posted by: djw at November 08, 2006 11:12 AM (aFBrc)
What Have They Done With Nancy?
Drudge has been running this story about Where's Nancy? He claims that Nancy Pelosi has been hidden from public appearances since October 21, two weeks ago. I don't doubt it. She's as bad for the the Democratic Party's PR as John Kerry, only twice as dumb.
The woman who would be speaker, Nancy Pelosi, has oddly stayed out of the national spotlight in the week leading up to the big vote.
The high profile, potentially history-making democrat has turned low-key.
The last photo of vanishing Pelosi on the wires was from an October 21 fundraiser.
And since Pelosi appeared on the controversial October 22 broadcast of 60 MINUTES, national TV hits have all but been nonexistent.
[Pelosi did appear on CNBC's On the Money on 10/24 and on ABC on 10/26, as THINK PROGRESS points out. But the sightings have dramatically dwindled.]
Former Speaker of the House, Republican Newt Gingrich believes he knows one reason why the congresswoman has largely dropped out of public sight ever since 60 MINUTES.
"It seems clear that some Americans have glimpsed a future with her third in line for the presidency, and they don't like what they see," says Gingrich. "She has become largely invisible as a result."
A source close to the congresswoman explains she has been busy behind the scenes.
Pelosi made a brief public appearance with Bill Clinton this week in San Francisco.
After providing a long schedule of her weekend events, a Pelosi aide added that her favorite stop was the taping of a World Wrestling Entertainment podcast on the importance of young people voting, the WHITE HOUSE BULLETIN reports.
I'm wondering, if Nancy's the leader of her party, and she's being held out of sight, who's in charge? Did she take herself out of circulation? Or if not, who did? Who's the secret figure behind the scenes, who had the power to tell the House Democratic Leader to shut the hell up during the two weeks before the election? And what does that tell you about the Democrats in general? There's something they don't want you to know.
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Howard Dean and Harry Reid have also disappeared. What is in store for America when Democrat leaders have to be in hiding in order to win elections?
Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2006 06:42 PM (V6rxT)
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Barbara Boxer = dumb
Nancy Pelosi = dumber
I'm amazed that Dems are willing to accuse Bush of being dumb while these two idiots are still part of the Congress. Bush is a fucking curious as hell genius compared to these two morons.
Posted by: blu at November 03, 2006 06:45 PM (IDpQp)
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Hey,
Did you guys run out of meth or something? I'm fairly certain you don't know what you're talking about.
You need a brain boost. Call Rev. Ted. He'll hook you up!
Posted by: docmakr at November 03, 2006 10:27 PM (qKXCy)
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This can only be James Carville, the Anti-Christ, figuring out that if you are running AGAINST Bush you don't need a candidate.
Maybe he's right; we'll see just how right Tuesday night.
Posted by: shelly at November 04, 2006 03:38 AM (SLFj+)
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Nancy is still resting in soil of her homeland after her blood feasting on Halloween.
Hey, Annie, do you read much fantasy? I am posting from the World Fantasy Convention in Austin. Its not a fan convention its a writers convention. I am trying to make contacts so I can sell some of my stuff.
I have met many leading fantasy writers including
Micheal Moorcock and David Drake.
Posted by: kyle8 at November 04, 2006 08:05 AM (CGown)
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Oddly enough, we haven't seen national coverage of Hastert either. Or Boehner. Or even Delay, the most influential Republican congressman until recently. And what about Frist?
You're right, it seems the party leaders are letting the local races dominate.
Posted by: will at November 04, 2006 09:12 AM (h7Ciu)
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I thought I heard Frist was no longer Senate Majority Leader...
Posted by: Scof at November 04, 2006 10:25 AM (LvTNO)
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Mainstream America doesn't like the Pelosi wing of the Democratic party. They only appeal to the Moveon and DailyKos Bush-hating nutcases.
The Democrats know this and are trying to pull a fast one on America by hiding the gruesome side of the Democratic party and will only release the beasts AFTER they secure their victory.
It won't happen though. They are their own worst enemy.
Posted by: Rob at November 04, 2006 10:26 AM (Q2xwR)
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Odd that Drudge should quote Newt Gingrich. He's the perfect example of what not to do when you become Speaker of the House. Like Pelosi, nobody knew who Gingrich was when the Republicans took the House in 1994.
He immediately commenced to act as if he somebody had died and made him king. People didn't much like that act. Don't expect a repeat from Pelosi. She's smarter than that.
Posted by: Pug at November 04, 2006 10:31 AM (P9o6O)
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Pug did you just use the word smart and Pelosi in the same sentence?
You were joking, right? Right?...........
Posted by: blu at November 04, 2006 12:10 PM (IDpQp)
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Ah, Pug, another will/strawfuck sock? Eh, who cares.
There are immutable laws to politics as there are to physics, and economics. Rotten buroughs eventually produce awful politicians, no matter the party, because there is no competition. That's the situation in California today. If the house is lost, Boehner will win it back in '08, and then he will grind Pelosi and company as is fitting.
Posted by: Casca at November 05, 2006 10:08 AM (2gORp)
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Pelosi's political views are systemically intertwined with her decisively socialist affiliations. She has served on the executive committee of the Progressive Caucus, a socialist-leaning organization that, until 1999, was hosted by the Democratic Socialists Of America.
Posted by: RealEstateAgent at November 06, 2006 02:19 AM (UaqnT)
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Nancy showed up over the weekend to do the media shows
and pics would seem to explain her absense as she went and had a facial "tune up"
I think she's in the Nip and Tuck Olympics with Joan Rivers!
Posted by: Darleen at November 06, 2006 05:16 PM (cXz8w)
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Nancy is the perfect face for the Dem Party: fake, dumb, ill-informed, socialist leaning, wealthly (inherited/unearned),elitist, and dishonest.
Posted by: blu at November 07, 2006 11:10 AM (MKP3x)
If you vote for Democrats in this election, you might think youre voting for a perfectly nice centrist Democrat, but the "Anti-war" wing of leftist thought will take that perfectly nice candidate that you voted for and use it as evidence that their side in the argument is actually perferred by Americans. Not the "centrist American" side, but the loathesome "We hate America" side. Your vote will be used to prove it.
They will take that protest vote of yours to argue "America is in descent", that our sins have finally caught up with us and we need to be sorry for all the evil we have done in the world, and look at all the people who agree with us! They will argue that fundamental changes in our country are necessary to make up for our crimes of the past, that our its our military is actually what causes wars, that people in the military should be prosecuted and they are what causes other people in the world to hate us and not our lovely and socially relevent "pop-culture".
. . . If Democrats are tossed yet another defeat this time, they will learn. They will get the message. They will remove the leech of "Anti-war" from their crotch and we might start to see Democrats like Harry Truman again. Democrats who don't apologize for America or being an American.
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I'm playing "God Bless America" on the CD player. Off to read a couple of articles in National Review and I'll have my Church of Conservatism needs met for the week.
Posted by: Joules at November 02, 2006 04:10 PM (u4CYb)
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When the Democrats go down in flames in this election, I hope there is an another group that learns its lesson.
For the past three elections, MSM has manipulated the news, sabotaged our anti-terrorism efforts and attempted to destroy our economy. They have done all this to force left-wing rule down the throats of all Americans.
MSM has ignored falling revenues, cancelled subscriptions, decreasing viewers, and massive media layoffs. Maybe after losing three straight elections, MSM will join America again and just report the news.
Posted by: Jake at November 02, 2006 04:39 PM (V6rxT)
Posted by: annika at November 03, 2006 07:12 AM (qQD4Q)
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The Hate-America crowd will not be purged from the Demoncrat party until the Vietnam generation and their children are dead. It is an article of faith among them, that all who carried the burden of that war were ignorant murderers, rapists, and baby killers... you know, what Kerry said.
Don't worry, we might start whacking these NGCS's any day now.
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2006 07:55 AM (2gORp)
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"They will remove the leech of "Anti-war" from their crotch"
leech and crotch...hmmm...yes, yes he must be talking about Democrats
...and looks like it will be Michigan-Louisville in Glendale for the BCS, whodathunk?
Posted by: Scof at November 03, 2006 11:59 AM (a3fqn)
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Wow! Did Michagoose already beat OSU? I musta lost track of the date - or the year.
Nah, I'm afraid BIG RED will be in Glendale, along with some once beaten team.
I'm also afraid that the best Michigan could possibly hope for is Pasadena, where once again, USC will hand you your ass and eat your lunch.
Posted by: shelly at November 03, 2006 02:16 PM (SLFj+)
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"It is an article of faith that all who carried the burden of that war were ignorant murderers, rapists, and baby killers... "
You said it Casca.
Now the Iraq invaders are the newest rendition of this noble American tradition.
Posted by: Strawman at November 03, 2006 02:47 PM (9ySL4)
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"Murderers, rapists, and baby killers" are criminals and are treated such in our military. Hopefully, Straw, you are not suggesting that our military in Iraq engages in this sort of behavior as a general rule. If you are, then you are both reprehensible and stunningly ignorant. There is no military in the world that does anymore to root out corruption and criminality in its ranks than does the US military.
The lie that this was common and accepted in Vietnam is just another Left-wing myth perpetuated by the likes of John Kerry and other America haters.
Posted by: blu at November 03, 2006 04:31 PM (IDpQp)
Posted by: Mike@CopTheTruth at November 03, 2006 05:17 PM (YadGF)
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Loiusville for the nat'l championship, lol, that's a good one!
Posted by: annika at November 03, 2006 05:29 PM (qQD4Q)
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Blu,
We've had this discussion before. I am sure you know exactly what I mean. The cruelty in VN and the criminality of many. not most, many GI's is well known. Remember I am VN vet age, lost friends and relatives in this confilict, repatriated ABC News' vienamese employees to my home town, (my sister was in charge of ABC's camp Pendleton repatriation station where 4000 South Vietnamese employees were put up on the way to being place in jobs and given citizenship) I have some direct knowledge.
Posted by: Strawman at November 03, 2006 06:07 PM (9ySL4)
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As an archivist of Straw's BS, I'm getting a sense of deja vu again. I'm about as touched by his "compassion" towards South Vietnamese refugees as much as Macaulay Culkin was during a visit to the Neverland Ranch.
[Your blowing smoke out your ass. My sister worked for ABC news and was in charge of resettling the 3000 "dependents" as they were called, of the network. CBS and NBC had similar numbers. The network employees and their families were given some kind of automatic citizenship after Saigon fell since they would have been killed or imprisioned by the ARVN as traitors and collaborators. The networks gave them money and resources including job placement. I met many of them who were resettled in the NY area. These are the people you heard interviewed. You think they are an unbiased bunch? They lived well, benefitted from the occupation and sold out their country.]
BTW, from the same thread, Straw displays his sincere adulation for our veterans:
[Killerjoe,
I guess the basic disagreement is that the N. Vietnamese were not our enemy until we invaded their country. Sort of like the Iraqi people who are fighting back now just like you would if your country were invaded. We are the most aggressive fucks the world has seen since the fall of the British Empire. I felt sorry for the people of Vietnam, all of them. We ruined their country and killed millions doing it. You no doubt helped and are still proud of it. You should try and get that off your chest. That is what Kerry did upon coming home. He had the courage to say the killing was a travesty bordering on the criminal; our government lied about the justification for war, and the plan, like BushÂ’s was a joke. You had the courage to kill in the course of invading a country that did you and America no harm and you have stayed ignorant of the history to this day. WhoÂ’s the dumb scumbag?]
-From Strawman's (formerly known as Mike) Greatest Hits, Volume 1
Posted by: reagan80 at November 03, 2006 08:02 PM (dFOlH)
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How the hell did I not know about this guy's blog before? I'm pretty damn impressed. He needs to get more pimpage!
Posted by: TBinSTL at November 04, 2006 12:40 AM (bYmT0)
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Varifrank's article sounds like the warning's of the strategist who thought up "Contract with America", a real life surprise pulled on the American people.
With Bush's and the GOP's abysmal poll numbers, even a "war president" and his cohorts won't have enough influence to stem the tide of change. We'll see if the Republicans take to whining, as they had complained the Democrats had done.
Being an independent before an election is like being at ringside seat at a title match. Pass the popcorn!
Posted by: will at November 04, 2006 09:20 AM (h7Ciu)
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Hey Raygun,
He called you a pimp, for me no less! Terrific. I thank you for reposting my relitively well written but better reasoned posts. (get the invoice in for the archivist fee before the end of the year, OK?) They were to the point when I wrote them and have aged well as we have seen the wonderful progress of the Bush plan in the ME. (I think you mistook my sentiment about the South VN coming to the US. I, like the ARVN, felt them to be traitors and thought they should have stayed and been rehabilatated just as you my friend would have shot, I mean rehabilitated, a colonist in Boston who gave material and personal support to the British) Bravo for Bush. I certainly feeling good and way safer, how about you Ray? Feeling good? Feeling lees scared out of you runny underware? THe advances in limb and face reconstruction are great, the C-147's outfitted as ICU's are really something to see, and the boost to the wheelchair rugby and basketball leagues is pushing them closer to a contract with ESPN. I applaud it all. You too, right? ANd Blu tells me the wonderful economic tide that's flowing in here in the states will be rising Iraq's boats soon as well. New housing is just around the corner, Parsons is knocking out thoses hospitals and police stations like my mom's toll house cookies! Hezzbolla and Hammas are theowing in the towel and making lots of con cessions, the Saudi's are playing a big part too. They are exerting lot's of clout and sending peacemakers to twist a few arms. Condi's racking up frequent flyer miles and soon will take a few free weeks in Bali, and how about Rummy, boy he just keeps hitting them out of the park. Every new strategy he tries wow's em. PAcified Bagdad's ass didn't he? I hear they added ten square meters to the green zone and put up a new gaurd tower.
Gotta sign off before I run outa breath, Iraq is amazing! My kid is thinking of appling to the University for graduate work (poly sci major) and hthen might establish residencey since ther new democracy has such opportunity to do some good in the region. Amaazing! Gotta go, my palms are getting raw from the clapping.
Oh, the generals and Richard Perle? Fuckem what do they know!
Posted by: Strawman at November 04, 2006 11:53 AM (9ySL4)