You know, education, if you make the most of it, if you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, uh, you, you can do well. If you donÂ’t, you get stuck in Iraq.
Sen. John McCain:
If you offend somebody, whether you intend to or not, you should apologize.
Sen. John Kerry:
I apologize to no one for my criticism of the President and his broken policy.
Listen, I want to believe the argument that John Kerry didn't really mean to insult our all volunteer military servicemen and women. If it were any other guy, without John Kerry's history, I might be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt.
But given that John Kerry began his political career by throwing his military ribbons over the White House fence in protest over a military service which he claimed led to widespread and systematic atrocities — which he later admitted that he never witnessed, and which were later proven to have been completely made up — I sincerely doubt that his "explanation" is genuine.
If John Kerry intended to insult the president with his "botched joke," why then are the words "president" or "Bush" nowhere to be found within the text of that joke?
If John Kerry really fucked up the script so badly, why then didn't he immediately clarify himself? We've all been in that situation. When I mis-speak, and inadvertently give offense, that's what I do. It's customary, even through embarrassment, to say, "I'm sorry, what I meant to say was..." But Kerry didn't do that until the firestorm began this morning. Now that he's busted, it's a little hard to believe his denials.
Here's an instructive thought experiment. What if, instead of touching the third rail of conservative politics by insulting the troops, John Kerry's "botched joke" had imputed stupidity to African Americans? Would he then have apologized quickly and repeatedly? You bet your ass he would have, and he'd have done it based on John McCain's maxim I quoted above: "If you offend somebody, whether you intend to or not, you should apologize." The fact that John Kerry, even now after "admitting" he made a mistake, still refuses to apologize to the American military he claims to respect so much, is tantamount to insulting them a second time. He doesn't think they're worth the courtesy.
What really happened is that John Kerry had a "Dixie Chicks" moment. Like Natalie Maines in England, Kerry thought he had a sympathetic audience of liberal college students to whom he could pander, by sharing a little inside humor. "Heh, heh, I know you guys despise the military and think they're dummies. I do too. Ain't I cool? Vote for Angelides."
Should any of this matter? Probably not, since Kerry can't be voted out of office this year. (Personally, I think Kerry should be forced to resign from his seat on the Committee on Foreign Relations. Nobody with his history of undisguised contempt for American military personnel should be allowed to sit on such a committee, with that body's concomitant influence over the deployment of those same soldiers, sailors, marines and airmen.) But that's a different question from whether any of this will matter. And I hope it does. Not only because it may forestall the Democratic takeover I predicted earlier, but because Kerry's latest blunder probably and irrevocably scuttled any hope he might have had of trying for his party's nomination in '08. Democratic power brokers will never ever forgive him for this gaffe, nor should any of us.
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I'm a Veteran who left a prestigous private college after two year to join the US Army to fight in the first Gulf War.
After being medically separated for injuries sustained in combat, I earned a BS in Professional Writing. I now write complex documentation sets for real-time tactical command and control systems for network-centric warfighters. I doubt Mr. Kerry has a high-enough security clearance to even read the documents that I write, and even if he did, he'd have no f'ckin idea what they meant.
Maybe If I would have studied harder I wouldnÂ’t have ended up stuck in Iraq back in 1991. Maybe I could have made something more of myself.
Posted by: Robbie at October 31, 2006 09:36 PM (53jDZ)
Posted by: Jake at October 31, 2006 09:56 PM (V6rxT)
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The Kerry formuila for political success:
1. Open mouth;
2. Insert foot;
3. Shoot foot;
4. Deny that the foot is yours.
Posted by: shelly at November 01, 2006 03:36 AM (Eodj2)
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Kerry's an absolute idiot. Perhaps more people realize it now. Intellectualism is not a prerequisite for military service to your country. Valor is. We happen to have the smartest military in our history. (Even the founders would be envious)
I wish I had half the guts and brains these cats have!
Posted by: Mike C. at November 01, 2006 04:30 AM (YadGF)
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Kerry's explanation didn't make much sense to me. What he specifically said was that if you study hard, etc, you can "do well", implying that he was talking about doing well economically, and clearly referring to American youth as a class, not to future US Presidents as a class.
In any event, notice that in his explosive reaction, Kerry basically accused Republican political operatives of orchestrating the anger directed at him. He seems to have no clue that hundreds of thousands of people reacted to his words spontaneously, without having to be told what to think.
Posted by: david foster at November 01, 2006 07:25 AM (/Z304)
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Robbie you stupid fuck, you're clearly not smart enough to marry a rich woman, me either. I only involve myself with women who suck money out of me.
We should all face the facts. Kerry is a smart guy. If we were smart like him, we'd let some fucking loser carry the load. Someone poor common fuck who'd never go skiing in Gstad anyway.
Conscripts by Siegfreid Sassoon
‘FALL in, that awkward squad, and strike no more
Attractive attitudes! Dress by the right!
The luminous rich colours that you wore
Have changed to hueless khaki in the night.
Magic? WhatÂ’s magic got to do with you?
ThereÂ’s no such thing! BloodÂ’s red, and skies are blue.Â’
They gasped and sweated, marching up and down.
I drilled them till they cursed my raucous shout.
Love chucked his lute away and dropped his crown.
Rhyme got sore heels and wanted to fall out.
‘Left, right! Press on your butts!’ They looked at me
Reproachful; how I longed to set them free!
I gave them lectures on Defence, Attack;
They fidgeted and shuffled, yawned and sighed,
And boggled at my questions. Joy was slack,
And Wisdom gnawed his fingers, gloomy-eyed.
Young Fancy—how I loved him all the while—
Stared at his note-book with a rueful smile.
Their training done, I shipped them all to France,
Where most of those IÂ’d loved too well got killed.
Rapture and pale Enchantment and Romance,
And many a sickly, slender lord whoÂ’d filled
My soul long since with lutanies of sin,
Went home, because they couldnÂ’t stand the din.
But the kind, common ones that I despised
(Hardly a man of them IÂ’d count as friend),
What stubborn-hearted virtues they disguised!
They stood and played the hero to the end,
Won gold and silver medals bright with bars,
And marched resplendent home with crowns and stars.
Posted by: Casca at November 01, 2006 07:55 AM (Y7t14)
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I see the Rovian hand in all of this. No doubt a microchip was installed in the good Senator during operative treatment of his grievous wounds suffered in Vietnam, and Rove has once again reactivated it to control the mind of this good and honorable scion of elitist liberals.
LMAO, oh, if I could choose my enemy, it would be he.
Posted by: Casca at November 01, 2006 08:22 AM (Y7t14)
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Casca:
Kerry is paying for every dollar with his blood. His wife ignores him completely and will not appear in public with him unless movie stars are involved. She is forever telling people in front of Kerry that her dead husband is ten times the man that Kerry is. She probably has him on a tight weekly allowance.
No wonder Kerry looks and talks angry all of the time.
Posted by: Jake at November 01, 2006 08:45 AM (V6rxT)
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My boy, we all pay in blood when it comes to the fair sex. For all you civilians too fucking stupid to tell, my comments were all .
Posted by: Casca at November 01, 2006 08:51 AM (Y7t14)
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Jack Heinz was a star; he's have been President by now. For them that never knew it, he was a solid Republican, the Senator from Pennsylvania. I had the pleasure of knowing him; by the way, when she was young, she was slim and a knockout, and, most importantly, she kept her fucking mouth shut 'cause he had the purse strings.
If he was alive, we'd still have Pennsylvania solid Red. Life is so unfair. But then, the only "fair" I know is in Pomona.
Thank the stars for John Kerry!!! Send him out on the campaign trail again, PLEASE!!! I loved the Demo comment "He wasn't content to blow it in '04, he wants to blow '06, too".
(P.S. Casca, great poem. I guess they teach a little at OSU)
Posted by: shelly at November 01, 2006 09:03 AM (0Co69)
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Annika,
I don't often venture over here too much, but this is one of the best points I have heard on this matter:
What if, instead of touching the third rail of conservative politics by insulting the troops, John Kerry's "botched joke" had imputed stupidity to African Americans? Would he then have apologized quickly and repeatedly? You bet your ass he would have, and he'd have done it based on John McCain's maxim I quoted above: "If you offend somebody, whether you intend to or not, you should apologize."
You nailed it. Kudos!
Posted by: Billy at November 01, 2006 10:43 AM (SLFj+)
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In addition to the factual mistakes about the "education" (and socioeconomic class) of U.S. military personnel, Kerry misses the point about the innovation and creativity of U.S. servicemembers. For every bad apple the media focuses attention on, there are hundreds of young men and women coming up with clever and thoughtful solutions to not only tactical battlefield problems, but also cultural, social, humanitarian, and other "non-combat" crises and conflicts. The vast majority of these young people are going to come back and infuse the same thinking into their local communities well beyond their military service.
Posted by: Col Steve at November 01, 2006 02:25 PM (pj2h7)
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Forgive him? Forgive him? I LOVE him.
Hell, he deserves a medal (first one he ever really deserved).
RNC Most Valuable Player.
I think Karl Rove relly did insert a microchip in his brain and flipped the "off" switch at just the right time.
Posted by: shelly at November 01, 2006 03:56 PM (0Co69)
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NPR reported this evening that the text of the speech--text supplied by Kerry's people--included the words "President Bush." The reporter read the sentence, and if that really was the way it was originally written, it was a slight directed toward President Bush. Not that this makes Kerry look any better.
Posted by: Joules at November 01, 2006 10:09 PM (u4CYb)
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Kerry had his chance to just say "Here's what I intended to say, but I misspoke, and I am sorry for the mix-up".
Instead, he chose, in his haughty, pseudo-Franco manner to deny he had said it and to defend it, REFUSING to apologize.
By the way, there is nothing, absolutely NOTHING, more aggravating to a Jew than another Jew who refuses to acknowledge his heritage. Although he has allowed Massachusetts voters to believe that he is Irish, Kerry is NOT Irish, he is of Jewish descent. Fuck him and the ship he rode in on. (sic)
Posted by: Shelly at November 02, 2006 12:58 AM (YadGF)
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He's a twisted bizarre personality in the extreme. His egomania is Clintonesque.
Posted by: Casca at November 02, 2006 07:14 AM (Y7t14)
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Annika,
He made quite blunder. I can't really imagine that he set out to defame the employment prospects of the under achievers he migh have been addressing. He may be an idiot but that would rise to the level of ________?
He clearly was trying to make the equation:
"lazy ass no nothing, alcoholic national guard slacking Yale grad ignoramous= get us stuck in Iraqi criminal military adventure. True but not terribly relevant at this late date. America got the president they almost voted for. Serves the majority that elected the other guy right!
It was lame from the start and he should have done exactly what Shelly said.
Posted by: Strawman at November 02, 2006 08:36 AM (9ySL4)
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Here is what John Kerry should have said.
I appoligize to all service personel that were offended by my comment. I reviewed the transcript and understand why those words were offensive and I sincerely apologize that I uttered them. Those words do not reflect what I was trying to say. I was attempting to state that if you are an under achiever educationally like President Bush you will get us stuck in Iraq. In the interest of making this apology sincere, I must also admit that President BushÂ’s grades at Yale were slightly higher than mine so that even my intended meaning probably would have been offensive to many. I apologize for that also.
Posted by: Bob at November 02, 2006 08:52 AM (OPNg7)
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Straw,
In which Ivy League school did you complete your undergraduate and graduate degrees?
What's that? You got the famous GED certificate from the Marshall School for Adults. Wow!!
Just kidding you, Straw. But calling Bush dumb (or an ignoramus)is, well, dumb. His academic record was not mind-blowing, but it was better than both Lurch and Algore's. The guy has a fucking MBA from Harvard. He's just not a good speaker; and, let's face it, people from the South often sound a little dumb. The accent is not one that inspires confidence. It's not fair; but it's true.
It's just another one of those lies that the Left keeps repeating and, in this case, has managed to get many people to believe. (Funny, though not surprising, how the MSM has never widely reported on the academic mediocrity of Kerry and, the world's smartest man, Algore.)
Posted by: blu at November 02, 2006 11:13 AM (j8oa6)
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I have a son with autism and know how very true it is that there are people who have good intelligence but they aren't wired for good verbal skills. Frankly, it often doesn't feel right if a politician is too silver-tongued.
Posted by: Joules at November 02, 2006 03:05 PM (u4CYb)
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Blu,
I stand by my words. HArvard MBA not withstanding. This blankey everbody wraps him in is bullshit. " He just don't speak so good" is a rationale that is used to make Americas, who ain't the sharpest tack either, feel more secure.
I am a good judge of intelligence and this man is not too bright. He was passed from class to class with "passing" grades which were notices that he showed up, did a modicum of work, and was a presidents son. He did not fail. That is all you can say. Is his IQ over 120? I would guess it is and this means he knows what? That is all I am saying, he knows nothing of history, science, literature, economics, etc. If he did, regadless of how bad a public speaker he is, he could demonstrate a grasp of a subject and speak conversationally about it or answer a question that deviates an iota from his scripted remarks. You heard him when he was flogging the SS initiative? Not a wit of sense came out of his mouth when asked to explain any of it. The few people who brief him that have been candide have said in polite open ended sentences that they experienced him as not engaged. He would ask a few questions and say thanks.
Blu, you know as well as I that education is an ongoing process of inquery fueled by a love of knoweldge and curiosity. It leads us to read books, ask questions, and read more books. How do you find yourself defending a man who bragged that he didn't read books? They were so embarassed that this year his flacks can't tell you offen enough what the president is reading. Do honestly believe he can read Shakespeare? Would you bet against Kerry or Gore in a jeopardy game with George or a scrabble game?
He is a by the seat of his pants, bright guy who in spite of his background could not get anywhere in business in spite of being handed sweetheart deals. A fellow who partyed hard, liked cocaine and booze, became severly depressed as his life unraveled while his brothers succeded and hit bottom. Instead of lifiting himself up with self knoweldge and exhibiting some insight he took the bit of religion deep into his mouth, shook his head, whinneyed a little and imbibed another antidote to clear thinking and self esteem. How exactly he beacme the lackey and spokes model for the evangelicals and then nefarious neocons is a story we may never know, but that is what he is today. And as their policies fail before all our eyes he blinks, stands tall and like a wind up doll spouts the ridiculous without flinching
Posted by: Strawman at November 03, 2006 06:11 AM (9ySL4)
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I actually think he speaks pretty fluently about economics - especially macroeconomics. Currently, America is experiencing one of its best economics periods thanks, in part, to his economic policies. The Left doesn't like to remember the bad ol'days when Clinton left office. Let me remind you: the stock market had lost about half of its value. Only the Great Depression had more of a negative emotional impact on the Market. The Dow is now around 12,000. Bush also inherited a recession and then a few months into his Presidency 9/11 occurred, (another gift from Clinton) which was devastating to our economy for both real and psychological reasons. It is simply amazing that we've recovered to this point. We managed to do this while fighting the GWOT and retooling a military that Clinton had literally gutted. (If you want to know what Clinton did to our military, talk to somebody who was in the military during his Presidency. They HATE him. Bush, on the other hand, is loved by military personnel.)
As far as social security goes, I just think you are wrong. It's a complicated topic that he was trying to explain at a high level. The bottom line is that he was right and his opponents were wrong. Not only wrong: they lied and distored the economic reality and simply tried to scare old peole. It was disgusting, but, also, business as usual for the Left. SS is a less than a worthless social program. I want to spit every time I see my money stolen from me to be given some person that I don't even know. God help us, someday will see SS in the ash heap of history. Weaning Americans off it and into a system were people control their own money is better for individual investors, our economy, and is in the best tradition of our liberal capitalist system.
And, yes, I think he could read the Bard. I don't know, however, if he would make that choice. BTW, find me the quote where he said he didn't like to read. I do know that he said he doesn't bother much with the MSM. Who the fuck can blame him? The American paper of record, the NY Times, is a worthless, socialist rag that routinely prints lies, distortions, and, of course, national secrets all the while openly cheerleading for Democrats.
Posted by: blu at November 03, 2006 06:54 AM (IDpQp)
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"education is an ongoing process of inquery"
Hey strawman, why don't you "inquere" a little bit more on the subject of spelling?
; )
Sorry, I just couldn't resist.
Posted by: annika at November 03, 2006 06:58 AM (qQD4Q)
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Oh, Forfend, dearest Annka. Me thinks it was the fault of the hound that hath nibbled the spellcheck button to a fare-thee-well no bigger than a titmouses'cloaca which my great finger could not navigate. Apologies.
Blu,
Wrong,
Wrong,
Wrong.
Posted by: Strawman at November 03, 2006 07:54 AM (9ySL4)
I Go On The Record
I've been following the polls and the elections closely, but until now I've avoided making any predictions. Now, a week out, I'm ready to cut through all the MSM's pro-Democratic propaganda and all the pie-in-the-sky optimism from the right wing press.
Here are my predictions. The Senate looks tight, but I think it will take a miracle for the Republicans to retain control. By my calculations, it will be a 50/50 split after next Tuesday. Republicans will lose in MT, OH, NJ, PA and RI. I think Corker will beat Ford, keeping TN Republican, but I could be wrong about that. In MD, Steele deserves to win, and though I mistrust polls generally, they can't be that far off. I don't think Steele will do it.
An evenly divided Senate is a de facto Democratic majority, since there are enough turncoat RINOs in the Senate to do Harry Reid's bidding. The Dems also know how to play rough and they will insist on some sort of accomodation on committee chairs. Republican Senate leaders, never known for stiff spines, will cave in to these demands.
As for the House, I have just two words for you: trust Gerrymandering. The Republicans will hold the House.
Divided government here we come. Now maybe in peacetime, a Democrat Senate was tolerable, but Kerry's despicable anti-military insults yesterday illustrate clearly why the Democrats cannot be trusted with any position of leadership.
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There's only one poll that counts, and it's taken on election day. Dewine deserves to lose, but it is laughable that Sharrod Brown will win in Ohio. He is a Kucinich type flake, and an empty suit like Casey. The word is "low turnout", that works for us. Worst case, the D's end up in a blowback situation for '08. Can you say President Hunter?
Posted by: Casca at October 31, 2006 10:58 AM (Y7t14)
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You could be right about the Senate. My guess at this point, which I think is too early, is that the Dems are +4 or +5. Still, either party can pull a Kerry in the last few days. Also, there can always be some world event that shapes perception. Two weeks are an eternity when things are this close.
I think you are correct about the House, but the Dems still win 10+ seats.
Posted by: blu at October 31, 2006 11:14 AM (IDpQp)
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Did I write two weeks? Oops! Well even a week is an eternity. Let's hope the Rep $ advantage makes a difference.
Posted by: blu at October 31, 2006 11:16 AM (IDpQp)
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How do independents figure in? If there are two independents and both caucus with the Dems, do the "count" in the Dems favor if it ends up 49-49-2? Or does Cheney still hold the tiebreaking vote?
Posted by: ken at October 31, 2006 11:43 AM (hFZJx)
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Ken,
I'm pretty sure that the I's can caucus with either party. In this case, both the I's are committed to the Dems.
Posted by: blu at October 31, 2006 11:49 AM (IDpQp)
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I disagree.
I think there will be a record turnout of Republicans that exceeds the huge turnout of 2004. Republicans will not turnout because they like the Republican candidates.
No, the Republicans will turn out to spit in the eye of the MSM and to get revenge on the MSM for their vote suppression techniques, news suppression and left-wing cheerleading. Republicans also want revenge on Democrats for all their outrageous insulting statements.
We are mad as hell, and we are not going to take it anymore.
Posted by: Jake at October 31, 2006 12:15 PM (V6rxT)
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Annika, let's hope your prediction about the Senate is as accurate as your predictions on Monday Night Football have been.
Posted by: Jason H. at October 31, 2006 02:26 PM (jTuRA)
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Annie, before the Kerry "f" up I would agree with you, but I think a lot of pissed off repubs and independents just might remember how much they hate these guys and go out to vote against them, rather than voting for the Republicans.
Posted by: kyle8 at October 31, 2006 04:29 PM (OPhHb)
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The Associated With Terrorists Press is running a story with Dems insiders predicting them winning 35 seats (giving them a 20-seat majority).
The MSM has been running stories like this for the past two weeks. Any contrary opinion gets buried in the middle of the story. The cheerleading will be constant and loud the next few days.
I've yet to see one-story about how Kerry's fuck-up might affect things. That's not part of the template.
Posted by: blu at October 31, 2006 06:01 PM (IDpQp)
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Annie:
Stick to the books. Politics is a very difficult game, a body contact sport, indeed.
The most important vote, every session, is the very first one. All the others are just details.
We will definitely hold the Senate, even if it is with 50, and that includes the RINO's. But if you control the Agenda, you control the pace and the issues, and don't scoff at it. I'll take every vote we can get.
I also agree that we will hold the House. I am in San Francisco for a few days, hanging out with people who are intoxicated by the thought of a Pelosi Speakership. They are doing the end zone dance, before they have crossed the goal line. We Republicans are mad, and are all voting; the Democrats are dancing.
My only question is: From which bridge will Nancy jump after she doesn't get the new drapes? George Washington, Golden Gate, Francis Scott Key, Golden Gate or 14th Street?
Your guess is as good as mine.
Posted by: shelly at November 01, 2006 04:02 AM (Eodj2)
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Shelly, I have to agree with you. All the old war elephants have seen this dance before. It's really hard to pickup seats. That's why you need a tidal wave like '94, you remember, the Clintons, national health care, and a congress full of check kiters.
Pelosi's thugs have done a great job of October surprising and sliming the shit out of R's this year. Heh, knocking off Bob Ney was a coup. They have been masterful. The Delay thing was all part of the plan. One hopes that R's learn the lesson, which I think Boener will, and spend the next cycle ripping these NGCS's a new asshole.
Ultimately, our targeted cash, and ground organization carries the day. Plus the tide of history is running R, and has been since Nixon.
Posted by: Casca at November 01, 2006 08:17 AM (Y7t14)
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The Dems peaked too early--around Foley. But this is going to go down to the wire and be very close regardless of who ultimately winds up on top. If I had to bet, I'd go with exactly the opposite result as Annie's prediction: R's hold the Senate, D's take the House, but razor-thin margins in each. The GOP will lose PA and RI, but I think we'll pick up NJ since Menendez is such a disastrously terrible candidate and Kean has name recognition. And I do think Mike Steele will win in Maryland: Prince George's County especially will swing in his favor way beyond what the polls suggest, because black voters do not want to tell pollsters they'd vote Republican. That should be enough to even counter any voting shenanigans in Baltimore.
Posted by: Dave J at November 01, 2006 07:01 PM (GKQ+L)
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You didn't mention Virginia. Webb and Allen have been in a statistical dead heat in the last several polls I've seen.
Posted by: Matt at November 02, 2006 08:39 AM (10G2T)
Posted by: annika at November 02, 2006 09:27 AM (zxtCi)
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We'll see. Webb just released his response to the NRA questionnaire, and he got 24 of 25 substantive questions right. I give him half-credit for the other one. (Maybe he just hasn't thought it through.) That'll play well outside Northern Virginia, though it may also be a sign of desperation.
Posted by: Matt at November 02, 2006 10:57 AM (10G2T)
Don't like waiting in line? Here's an idea, idiots. Get to your polling place early.
Here's another idea. Vote absentee.
When I go to the Post Office and there's a long line, it doesn't mean I'm being discriminated against. It just means there's a lot of customers. And if I show up at the Post Office at 5:00 and they shut the door in my face, it just means that I should have got there earlier.
Another thing, idiots. If you can't figure out the ballot, fucking ask somebody to help you. Or study the sample ballot before you show up.
It ain't that hard. If voting is so important to you that you are ready to scream disenfranchisement at the drop of a hat, why not take the time to avoid problems by planning ahead.
Unless of course, crying fraud is part of your strategy for winning.
P.S. If you're one of the unfortunate voters who has to use one of these beasts, and you encounter problems, blame Florida and disregard the above. I've never trusted the idea of computer voting, its an example of knee-jerk overreaction to a nonexistent problem.
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Is California still using paper ballots? We've got e-voting in Maryland. There were so many problems with the machines during the primaries, Governor Ehrlich has recommended voters use absentee ballots ...which are, of course, in short supply.
And since the Governor is a Republican, the Democrats are screaming blue bloody murder he has recommended paper ballots.
Posted by: Victor at October 31, 2006 06:36 AM (WHtgF)
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Everybody has to vote! Even though he likes it or not. The vote is one of the most important human rights because it represents the man's capacity of deciding for himself. If the computerized voting system does not present the safety that we want..then let us change the system.
Posted by: Barcode Printers at November 07, 2006 11:24 AM (UaqnT)
A Guide For Voters
Here are my California ballot proposition recommendations. It might be interesting to you, even if you're not from California, since it provides an insight into the workings of my political mind.
As I've said before, I have an easy way to decide on any bond issues. I vote no as a rule on every bond measure, no matter how tempting it sounds (with one exception, I vote yes on all prison bonds*). It seems to me that bond measures are a way for this state's government to spend beyond its means, even though excessive spending is its biggest problem. My philosophy is that the legislature should do its job and prioritize the budget so we won't have to rely on bonds to get things done.
I'm also sick and tired of two or three school improvement bonds every time we have an election. They generally win, because nobody (except me) wants to vote to keep kids learning under leaky roofs and without enough crayons or construction paper. Yet every election, the schools hold out their hand for more. Whatever happened to the promise that the California Lottery was supposed to solve all our school problems? I'm told that "Our schools win too" was the motto back in '84 when the lottery initiative passed. Well, I for one won't play that game anymore. Whatever they're doing with all that money isn't working, so let's cut off the spigot and force them to try something else.
Here's the propositions on the statewide ballot:
Prop 1A: TRANSPORTATION FUNDING PROTECTION This initiative would force the government to use gasoline sales tax revenues for transportation improvements only, instead of dumping that money into the general fund so the legislature can squander it as they love to do. I vote YES.
Prop 1B: HIGHWAY SAFETY, TRAFFIC REDUCTION, AIR QUALITY, AND PORT SECURITY BOND Here's an example of a bond measure with worthy goals, which I will reject simply because of my hard and fast rule about bond measures. If the legislature would do its job, cut the frivolous spending, and cut regulation and taxes to keep businesses from fleeing the state, we'd have enough money to do this kind of shit without mortgaging our future with 39 billion more in bond debt. I vote NO.
Prop 1C: HOUSING AND EMERGENCY SHELTER TRUST FUND More bonds. Hey, I'm all for helping out battered women and their kids, low-income seniors, the disabled, military veterans, and working families. But again, if this is such a priority, the legislature should find a way to do it without adding to the bond debt. Otherwise, let's encourage private charities to continue their good work in this area. I know that there are many fine non-profits that help battered women and provide shelter for their families, because I did pro-bono work for one of them last year. I vote NO.
Prop 1D: KINDERGARTEN–UNIVERSITY PUBLIC EDUCATION FACILITIES BOND Another school bond. See above. I vote NO.
Prop 1E: DISASTER PREPAREDNESS AND FLOOD PREVENTION BOND Another bond. I vote NO.
Prop 83: SEX OFFENDERS. SEXUALLY VIOLENT PREDATORS. PUNISHMENT, RESIDENCE RESTRICTIONS AND MONITORING This initiative tightens punishment and monitoring of violent sexual predators. Again, where was the legislature on this? Why is such an important public safety issue being left up to the initiative process? A definite YES vote.
Prop 84: WATER QUALITY, SAFETY AND SUPPLY, FLOOD CONTROL, NATURAL RESOURCE PROTECTION, PARK IMPROVEMENTS, BONDS All important and worthy goals, which I support — Just not by increasing the bond debt. I sound like a broken record here. I vote NO.
Prop 85: WAITING PERIOD AND PARENTAL NOTIFICATION BEFORE TERMINATION OF MINORÂ’S PREGNANCY This proposition would require a doctor to notify parents when a minor comes in for an abortion, with certian exceptions. If I had a kid, I'd want to know if she was going to have an abortion. I don't care if some other kid doesn't have a good relationship with her parent. I'd want to know about my daughter. It's that simple. I vote YES.
Prop 86: TAX ON CIGARETTES This initiative would add $2.60 in taxes to each pack of cigarettes. Right now, they're about $5 a pack. If this initiative passes, a pack would cost more than it does in New York City. I was shocked at the cost of cigarettes during my last trip to New York. I suppose I should favor this proposition because it might motivate me to quit. But realistically, even though I grumbled, I still paid the seven bucks when I was in New York. I generally oppose sin taxes, because they encourage the black market. We already have enough problems with drugs and illegal aliens coming across the border without creating a whole new market for contraband. I vote NO.
Prop 87: ALTERNATIVE ENERGY. RESEARCH, PRODUCTION, INCENTIVES. TAX ON CALIFORNIA OIL PRODUCERS This is the most controversial measure on California's ballot. President Clinton is doing tv spots in favor of this plan, which would create a whole new alternative energy research bureaucracy funded by a tax on oil drilling in California. The opposition ads are disingenuous because they do not say that the law would prevent oil companies from passing on the tax to the consumer. It sounds tempting, especially to those who don't understand economics. But when you do the research, this proposition reveals itself as one of the worst ideas to come down the pike in a long time. Virtually every major newspaper to opine on the issue agrees that it's a horrible idea. And I'm talking the San Francisco Chronicle, the L.A. Times, the Sacramento Bee, the O.C. Register and the Wall Street Journal. That's a pretty wide sampling of the editorial spectrum there. I'd encourage anybody undecided on this measure to read those editorials, which can be found here. As much as we'd all like to stick it to the oil companies, It doesn't make much sense to punish them for developing domestic oilfields in order to achieve energy independence. If it's no longer profitable to drill in California, guess where our oil will come from? That's right, overseas. I also have a problem with the prohibition against passing the new tax on to the consumer. In my view, the way to encourage alternative energy sources is to let the free market work. High gas prices are the best way to create a demand for the new technology, not a poorly regulated and graft ridden new bureaucracy. I vote NO.
Prop 88: EDUCATION FUNDING. REAL PROPERTY PARCEL TAX The schools got their hand out again. They're like the cookie monster, except it's not Chips Ahoy they want, it's your money. This time they want to add $50 to everybody's property tax bill. If we let them, next year it will be another $50 or maybe $100. Just say NO.
Prop 89: POLITICAL CAMPAIGNS, PUBLIC FINANCING, CORPORATE TAX INCREASE, CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTION AND EXPENDITURE LIMITS Another corporate tax increase at a time when California needs to stop business from fleeing out of state. How is that a good idea? And how is it a good idea to make it harder for ordinary Californians to run for office by requiring "a specified number of $5.00 contributions from voters?" This initiative also puts limits on political contributions to state candidates, which is a free speech issue. I vote NO.
Prop 90: GOVERNMENT ACQUISITION, REGULATION OF PRIVATE PROPERTY The last ballot initiative is the Protect Our Homes Act, which I first heard about from Tim Sandefur. This is the anti-Kelo initiative. It would basically prevent the state government from using its eminent domain power to grab your property and give it to some corporation, which is what happened in the Kelo case. If you hated Kelo, vote for this. I vote YES.
There you have it. Since I encourage all my blog's visitors to be in complete agreement with me, I suggest that you Californians print out this post and take it with you on November 7th.
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* The reason I vote against school bonds and for prison bonds is not because I'm a heartless bitch. I understand the argument that better schools may lead to fewer criminals. But school bonds always win, and yet we still need prisons. Insofar as my one vote can be a message, I plan to send that message. Where school bonds are concerned, my message is that the state should use the gobs of money we send them for schools each year more wisely. As for prisons, they're an unpopular but necessary part of our infrastucture, and my message is that I want them built. As the late Ann Richards said of Texas' vast prison system, when asked what kind of a message it sent to the world: "If you commit a crime in Texas, it means we got a place to put you."
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You are right about the bonds. The market is gunshy about California bonds now. I certainly would not buy any. All these new bonds could collapse the house of cards called California Public Financing.
They want to steal money from an industry that is giving us cheap energy and give the money to an industry that will only give us expensive energy. Most of the money to push this bill is coming from people who have big investments in alternative energy companies. As is the case with all the left's big ideas, poor people will suffer the most from this bill.
Posted by: Jake at October 29, 2006 12:44 PM (V6rxT)
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I'm torn on Prop 84, the last thing the state needs it more debt...but the money would be good for (my) business.
Posted by: the Pirate at October 29, 2006 07:47 PM (MifjL)
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Since spending on education, and spending per pupil, both in real and in relative numbers has gone up continuously since the 1950's while performance has gone down. You could make a good case that more money equals stupider kids.
Also, the correlation between criminal activity and education is not the direct causality one might assume. It really means that the criminally minded are usually stupid, lazy, and not inclined to take education seriously. I don't see how any amount of government spending can change that.
In other words, be a heartless bitch, thats why we love ya.
Posted by: kyle8 at October 29, 2006 07:50 PM (ruMxx)
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Fifty years ago, when educational professionals were called teachers, they were both. Now, when teachers are called educational professionals, they are neither. They are government employees who hang around waiting for retirement, and rubber stamping the future. Oh, not all, just 90%.
Did you know that the highest paid public employees in America are public school superintendants?
BTW, I pledge to vote the Annikan Ballot.
Posted by: Casca at October 29, 2006 09:28 PM (2gORp)
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I'd be right inline with your voting on these if I were in Cali. These education grubbers are all over this vast great nation. In Georgia these "initiatives" usually come in the form of Splost referendum. (special Purpose local option sales tax- or some such nonsense) I also vote no consistently but teachers and people who really don't know they're already paying for education, often trump me. And we continue to rank among the worst in education. People make education work-
not money.
Posted by: Mike C. at October 30, 2006 04:17 AM (GIL7z)
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We have a wonderful prison system here, and the county jails are top notch, especially in Dallas...now, if there were only more ladies like Annika out here, then Texas would be the place to be
Posted by: Scof at October 30, 2006 01:17 PM (afLeY)
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I'm with you on most of these -- I've been torn about Prop 87 but I think I'll vote against it. I do think *something* needs to be done to wean us from our dependence on oil, foreign *or* domestic, but this bill only addresses one side of the coin (and the wrong one, at that). Don't get me wrong -- I've no love for domestic-product oil companies, but all this will do is make more people head to the Exxon Mobil station next door. The notion that this won't be passed on to consumers is just plain silly and bad economics. Of course the tax will be passed on to consumers, and the execs will hire enough economists to make it appear that they're complying with the law.
We need to be allowed to tax the foreign oil companies (and we need concrete goals for how to spend the money, not to create some stupid wasteful commission that only creates needless jobs and needlessly spends the money that way). I blame the dormant commerce clause for idiotic ballot measures like this one.
I, too, am sick of spending so much money on public schools without seeing results. A huge part of this is that throwing money at a problem doesn't work. Wisely investing money *might*, but generally the people who are smart enough to know how to fix schools aren't working for the government educational boards. I'm certainly not in favor of raising taxes just so kids in the richest schools get the option of checking out laptops for homework, while the kids in East LA (or comparable areas in other parts of the state) don't even get a complete set of schoolbooks for the year.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at October 30, 2006 01:22 PM (XUsiG)
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Hey thanks for the recommendations. I am also looking for recommendations on the judges. Am having a hard time finding any online. Any suggestions?
Posted by: Anna at October 30, 2006 03:46 PM (SGG+E)
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"Of course the tax will be passed on to consumers, and the execs will hire enough economists to make it appear that they're complying with the law."
Exactly what I was thinking, LF.
Anna, on judges, I'm as stumped as you. If I come up with any ideas, I'll post them.
Posted by: annika at October 30, 2006 03:52 PM (zAOEU)
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Is there really a fundamental difference between education bonds and prison bonds? One can claim that education should be funded out of the general budget, rather than bonds. Why not make the same argument for prisons - namely, that we shouldn't be funding something as important as prisons via a funding method as atrocious as bonds? Yes, I know that a previous proposition dedicated funds to education, and that there's no similar dedicated revenue source for prisons, but I still believe that we need a better source for prison funding - it should come out of the general budget.
Regarding politicians, my views are as follows:
(1) Unless there's some absolutely pressing need, don't vote for incumbents. They have to earn their keep, and normally they don't.
(2) Whoever strikes with the first negative ad loses. If you're getting enough money to air negative ads, then someone's funding you who probably doesn't have my best interests in mind.
(3) Don't be afraid to write in candidates that you like (Deborah Acker, here we come). It won't make a difference, but you'll feel better.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at October 30, 2006 06:14 PM (OeJic)
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I voted like that (absentee) - No on everything, and "NO!" especially whenever they bring out the old lie, "it's for the children" to pass over-funded school measures. It's bogus, they need to get over it.
Posted by: DirtCrashr at October 30, 2006 06:16 PM (VNM5w)
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"It doesn't make much sense to punish them for developing domestic oilfields in order to achieve energy independence. "
We cannot achieve energy independence through domestic oilfield development; not even close.
It will take major strides in 3 areas;
1. Energy efficiency (more bang for the btu)
2. Sustainable energy sources (so we don't have to do this again in another 20 years)
3. Conservation (biofuels and related efforts will only get us ~20% of the energy we use now from petroleum)
While I agree with you that the proposition has some warts, it would assume high risk to believe that 'business as usual' is the answer.
Posted by: will at November 01, 2006 01:45 PM (h7Ciu)
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I'm voting no against the school bonds too. Our schools would not be overcrowded if it weren't for the illegals and their anchor babies, and our school performance would not be nearly as dismal if it weren't for the huge numbers of non-English speaking kids in them that need special attention. Ditto our crubmling infrastructure -- it wouldn't be so bad if we didn't have four million illegals living here and using it for free. So "no" from me on the infrastructure bond too.
Posted by: Mary at November 07, 2006 10:02 AM (oawG2)
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My dear Annie:
I am your loyal Golden Bear friend and fan. And I cancelled you out on every single proposition, without exception. Go us!
Beat the 'cats! Beat the Trojans!
Posted by: Hugo at November 07, 2006 01:49 PM (yLeev)
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lol hugo! i cancelled you out!
Cal Bears 4ever!!!
Posted by: annika at November 07, 2006 01:57 PM (kX6Jn)
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Annie, you do know that Garamendi was a star lineman for Cal in the 1960s? Don't ex Cal gridiron stars automatically deserve a vote, regardless of their politics?
Posted by: Hugo at November 07, 2006 03:15 PM (yLeev)
Same Shit Different Day
And just in case you thought a cease fire in the north meant peace all over Israel, think again.
Just because the anti-semitic media in this country doesn't deem it news don't meant this shit ain't still happening almost every fucking day.
P.S. The comments under the article are crazy. Man, if a Kassam rocket landed in my yard, but I was only "lightly injured" do you think I would: a) say "no harm no foul," and go on with my day, or b) get pissed as hell and start screaming nonstop until I saw warplanes flying back from Gaza with empty hardpoints.
Danish Court Dismisses Jihadi Lawsuit Over CartoonsScore one for our side.
"It cannot be ruled out that the drawings have offended some Muslims' honor, but there is no basis to assume that the drawings are, or were conceived as, insulting or that the purpose of the drawings was to present opinions that can belittle Muslims," the court said.
The seven Muslim groups filed the defamation lawsuit against the paper in March, after Denmark's top prosecutor declined to press criminal charges, saying the drawings did not violate laws against racism or blasphemy.
The plaintiffs, who claimed to have the backing of 20 more Islamic organizations in the Scandinavian country, had sought $16,860 in damages from Jyllands-Posten Editor in Chief Carsten Juste and Culture Editor Flemming Rose, who supervised the cartoon project.
What they need to do now is get rid of the stupid law that allows people to sue for "belittling Muslims."
My E-Mail From San Fran Nan
I got an e-mail from Nancy Pelosi today. No lie. I'm on some Democrat list, inexplicably. I thought it was a weird e-mail because it was titled "what we need to do," yet she pretty much avoided mentioning any of the key issues of the day. So much for a Democratic version of the Contract With America.
Here is the entire text of the e-mail:
Dear annika,
You know how high the stakes are -- so I'll get right to the point: there's never been a more critical time to highlight the priorities everyday Americans share.
Right now, working families suffer because corporate lobbyists write the laws. Our seniors can't get the drugs they need because the drug companies get everything they want. And President Bush continues to threaten one of our society's greatest accomplishments -- Social Security -- with his risky privatization schemes.
Congress needs to focus on an agenda that benefits the American people:
* Impose new rules and regulations to break the link between lobbyists and legislation
* Allow the government to negotiate with drug companies and fix Medicare Part D
* Stop Social Security and Medicare privatization plans in their tracks
* Raise the minimum wage to $7.25
* Cut the interest rates on student loans in half
* Roll back subsidies to Big Oil and gas companies
* Enact all the recommendations made by the independent 9/11 Commission
And that all needs to be done in the first 100 hours!
Working together, we will make that happen. Please help Americans United today:
There's a lot at stake in the coming weeks, but we must never lose focus on the task at hand: building a better country. Your work changes the national debate, raising awareness about the misplaced priorities of the current leadership.
Last year, Americans United led the national media campaign against Social Security privatization -- and won.
Now, with so much more at stake, will you help us win again?
Nancy Pelosi
Democratic Leader, U.S. House of Representatives
That's it?
(It's nice that the Democrats want to cut student loan rates in half, but if you can't afford 8% over thirty years with the almost unlimited deferment schemes available, something is seriously wrong with your post college career path.)
I'm sorry but that was a weird e-mail. It's weird because she said absolutely nothing about the big issues that people are arguing about — the issues that are going to get people off their ass and down to the voting booth less than two weeks from now.
She said nothing about Iraq.
Nothing about the War on Terror.
Nothing about impeachment.
Nothing about tax cuts.
Nothing about gay marriage.
Nothing about abortion.
Nothing about crime.
Nothing about North Korea.
Nothing about Iran.
Nothing about the border.
The Democrats are either a party with no agenda or a party with a hidden agenda. Either way, they absolutely cannot be trusted with a majority.
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"Allow the government to negotiate with drug companies"
"Negotiate with" the drug companies? Probably more like "dictate to", in practice.
I also swoon at her non-solution to the fiscal black hole that is Social(ist) Security.
Yeah, I'm racking up a lot of debt on my college loans, but I'm not desperate enough to put that socialist hag's party in charge so they could wreck my prospects for keeping a decent post-grad job to pay off those very loans. The Dems are just going to enact policies that will sap the entrepreneurial ammo away from my potential employers.
Posted by: reagan80 at October 25, 2006 09:24 PM (dFOlH)
Posted by: The Truth at October 26, 2006 12:43 AM (3mfkT)
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How right you are Annika. I'd be interested to know whether Nancy's retirement relies soley on Social Security or if she's invested in the Stock Market, like everyone else on Capital Hill. They've really run the propaganda machine on this one.
Posted by: Mike C. at October 26, 2006 03:12 AM (GIL7z)
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Let's see, the R's were out of power in the house for about sixty years. Most of my life I lived with a go-along-get-along R minority. Then came Newt. Nancy, you are no Newt.
Although it would be delicious to see fatboy Denny bounced, and the Princlings in the house made to bow and shuffle. Hell I even think the Republic could withstand the roll to port. It's not going to happen.
But if it does... just watch what the R's in the house will do to get back up on the porch now that they know they can do it. Before 1994, nobody believed that it could be done. This time there will be no allowing them to go with grace. They'll be running for their lives, and living in a basement somewhere.
Posted by: Casca at October 26, 2006 06:26 AM (Y7t14)
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Let's see, roll back the Bush tax cuts which costs me money, to lower the rate on student loans (consolidated at the lower rates.) Yep, there's a reason to vote for the Dems.
I'm sure the people who own drug company stocks (oh yeah, me again in my 401K) will be thrilled when they tank. Not to mention the poor folks who get some disease that might have been cured, had the drug companies been able to research it. Yep, good reason to vote for the Dems.
It's simply not bold enough. I want the minimum wage to be $200/hr - and $5000/hr for me. I want the Dems to impeach the Iranian and Kim, and Osama too. I want free cable TV, and a Lexus.
My vote can be had, but the Dems have to try way harder than this.
Posted by: MarkD at October 26, 2006 08:53 AM (oQofX)
6if you can't afford 8% over thirty years with the almost unlimited deferment schemes available, something is seriously wrong with your post college career path. Like they didn't bother to take any classes in Economics, but found "enriching personal fulfillment" in Birth of a Poet (UC Santa Cruz)... This is the insanity that comes out of a party which tries to legislate worldwide economic markets. They don't know how to build anything, they have no engineering expertise - but they have many, repeated, failed attempts at social-engineering.
Posted by: DirtCrashr at October 26, 2006 10:10 AM (VNM5w)
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A roll to port; are you nuts?
We need to stay on a starboard tack and keep those lubbers eating our foul wind.
No mercy.
Posted by: shelly at October 26, 2006 02:40 PM (ZGpMS)
In many ways, the economy has not looked so good in a long time.
Yet Republicans can't get any love when it comes to the strong economy.
“Voters overwhelmingly don’t approve of the president on the economy,” said Amy Walter, a senior editor at the Cook Political Report, a nonpartisan firm that handicaps political races. “It comes down to the issue of credibility. And so many voters feel so pessimistic about the direction of the country.”
Take the unemployment figures for instance. The rule of thumb I always heard in school was that anytime you have unemployment at 5% or below, the country was doing great. Right now, unemployment is at 4.4%. That is great. Check out this graph from the Bureau of Labor Statistics for some historical perspective.
As you can see, since WWII, unemployment has been over 5% a lot more than it's been under. Yet you still get comments like this one:
Ann O’Callahan, a 64-year old Irish immigrant in suburban Philadelphia, defines herself as a social conservative. She voted Republican in 2000, but switched to the Democrats in 2004. This year she plans to vote Democratic again, mainly because of the economy. “I am very disturbed by the economic policies of the Bush administration,” she said.
Ms. OÂ’CallahanÂ’s district, PennsylvaniaÂ’s Seventh, is an island of relative affluence. The median income in the area, according to the Census Bureau, topped $63,000 last year, more than a third higher than the national median. According to Economy.comÂ’s analysis, based on county data, unemployment this year in the district should average 3.8 percent, well below the national average.
But, Ms. O’Callahan said, jobs were not enough. “I work with job placement so I see up close how a lot more work is demanded of people, how benefits are disappearing, how hourly rates have been stagnant throughout the Bush administration,” she said. She said that jobs were plentiful, “but paying $8 an hour with no benefits.”
What I think Ms. O'Callahan overlooked is that in any economy there's going to be a bottom of the barrel type job. These days it's probably going to pay $8 an hour without benefits. But when 96.2% of the people in Ms. O'Callahan's district are working, I'd imagine that she's spending most of her time placing people in these bottom of the barrel type jobs. Most people with skills are probably already employed, and making more money.
We need entry level jobs. They're where most people start out. And they're good for students and retired people. Look at what's going on in France where "youths" are burning busses and attacking police because their country won't allow businesses the freedom to offer entry level jobs.
With the Dow over 12,000 and unemployment under 5%, I say the economy is doing great.
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Predicatably the MSM was much more interested in Foley and their media driven story than the Dow hitting 12,000. If this had been a Dem President, you'd still be reading stories about it.
Here's a prediction: The Foley story will continue to garner media attention until Nov 3 when miraculously it will go away never to be heard of again.
Posted by: blu at October 24, 2006 02:45 PM (42Ozp)
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MSM turns every bit of good economic news into economic disasters. The only people who think the economy is doing great are those who ignore MSM.
The truth is that never in the history of America has economic conditions been so good.
Posted by: Jake at October 24, 2006 05:01 PM (r/5D/)
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However, national debt is at an all-time high; this extravagant lifestyle must eventually be paid back. Personal debt in the US is at record levels; there is no longer the ability to run out and shop to buy one's way out of the federal deficit, especially since so many buy foreign goods, which exascerbates the foreign trade deficit. There are many other indicators to look at beyond the hollow GDP.
Posted by: will at October 24, 2006 05:46 PM (h7Ciu)
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LMAO, there is nothing more reliable than the leftist fucktard. Their acquaintance with truth is never more than a passing one. May God bless Arthur Laffer.
Posted by: Casca at October 24, 2006 08:22 PM (2gORp)
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The L7 is right about the the national debt, but destroying economic growth, via tax hikes, to eliminate the deficit doesn't appeal to me. I'd rather the Republicans stop acting like Third Way-ers and cut all of the massive spending on bullshit.
Posted by: reagan80 at October 25, 2006 08:25 AM (dFOlH)
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I agree with reagan80: way too much pork still exists.
Posted by: will at October 25, 2006 08:57 AM (h7Ciu)
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For more depth discussion on the topic, I recommend "Running On Empty: How The Democratic and Republican Parties Are Bankrupting Our Future and What Americans Can Do About It" by Peter G. Peterson, Secretary of Commerce under Nixon.
Posted by: will at October 25, 2006 09:55 AM (h7Ciu)
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The spending under Bush (and I'm not talking about the military, which Clinton gutted and needed to be addressed) has been out of control. For me, this is the biggest failure of Bush and the Reps. They have had the majority; they can't blame it on Dems. Luckily, his tax strategy has paid off, so we have tremendous economic growth. Time to address the other half of the equation.
Posted by: blu at October 25, 2006 10:07 AM (j8oa6)
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Hmmm. Bruce Bartlett probably got the idea for the title of his book from that Peterson guy's.
Blu, the only other major flaw I'd add is that the administration isn't running much of a meritocracy. (Harriet Miers, WTF?)
Posted by: reagan80 at October 25, 2006 10:33 AM (dFOlH)
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Didn't Bartlet pass on? What's the book title? I read "The 7 Fat Years", which (I think) was published in the early 90's.
Posted by: blu at October 25, 2006 10:57 AM (j8oa6)
Posted by: reagan80 at October 25, 2006 11:46 AM (dFOlH)
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Thanks Reagan80,
I had his name confused with Robert Bartley, who did pass away a couple of years back. (He was the editor of the WSJ - awarded the Pulitzer at one point.) Bartley wrote the "The 7 Fat Years."
Posted by: blu at October 25, 2006 12:30 PM (j8oa6)
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No problem, Blu. Though, I think I'll shut up now before I start sounding more like Skippy or Roach.
Posted by: reagan80 at October 25, 2006 01:05 PM (dFOlH)
655,000 Iraqis Dead?
Is the line between intellectual dishonesty and bald-faced lying a fine line or is it a wide chasm? Whichever it is, The Lancet and those who masturbate over its latest Iraqi war dead estimate have leapt across that line with ease.
A study published in the Lancet this week estimates that 654,965 Iraqis have died as a consequence of war since 2003. . . .
. . . The researchers—led by Gilbert Burnham of Johns Hopkins University—gathered data on more than 12,000 people in clusters of houses around Iraq, and tried to figure out how many people had died both before and after March of 2003. By comparing the pre- and post-invasion mortality rates, they figured out how many deaths could be attributed to the war, and then extrapolated from their sample to the country's entire population. [via Slate.com]
655,000 is roughly the population of Baltimore, Maryland, where Johns Hopkins University is located.
Historian Gwynne Dyer (who wrote the very readable book War, which pretty much made me want to be a history major) is against the Iraq war. He predictably gushed over the Lancet's study:
Johns Hopkins University, Boston University and MIT are not fly-by-night institutions, and people who work there have academic reputations to protect.
The Lancet, founded 182 years ago, is one of the oldest and most respected medical journals in the world.
Must be true then. These people couldn't possibly make a mistake. In fact, I bet the peer review process is waived for all studies coming out of JHU, BU, MIT, or the Lancet.
Riiiiight.
The most disturbing thing is the breakdown of the causes of death.
Over half the deaths -- 56 per cent -- are due to gunshot wounds, but 13 per cent are due to air strikes. No terrorists do air strikes. No Iraqi government forces do air strikes either because they don't have combat aircraft. Air strikes are done by "coalition forces" (i.e. Americans and British) and air strikes in Iraq have killed over 75,000 people since the invasion.
Oscar Wilde once observed that "to lose one parent ... may be regarded as a misfortune; to lose both looks like carelessness."
To lose 75,000 Iraqis to air strikes looks like carelessness, too.
Actually, blind acceptance of the Lancet's figures and methodology by a historian such as Dyer looks like carelessness to me.
Now, I didn't do too well in statistics, so I won't pick apart the Lancet's methodology, no matter how suspect it seems to me (it was based on interviews?!). But I do have a history background and the 655,000 number seemed wildly far-fetched to me the instant I saw it. Wildly far-fetched.
I immediately wondered why the study's authors had not considered placing the estimate into historical perspective. That would be a kind of "smell test," which I suspected the study might not pass.
Consider this. In 3½ years, the Lancet figures we have been responsible for 655,000 civilian deaths. (Not casualties, deaths. The term "casualty" includes missing, wounded and POWs.) For comparison, I simply went to two easily available sources: The Oxford Companion to World War II, and the often less reliable Wikipedia.
According to those two sources, Japanese civilian deaths in World War II ranged from 400,000 to 600,000. One generally expects the Wikipedia figure to be at the higher range, and that was true in this case. I also consulted Wings of Judgment, by Ronald Schaffer, a somewhat left leaning historian of the two World Wars. Shaffer gave an estimated range from 330,000 to 900,000 Japanese deaths (p. 14
, which coincidentally is almost exactly the range that the Lancet used for Iraqi civilian deaths (392,979 to 942,636).
Looking at all three sources, the Wikipedia estimate of 600,000 Japanese civilian deaths seems most reasonable. So the obvious question to me is this:
Are we to believe that the United States has killed more Iraqi civilians in the current war than we killed Japanese civilians during World War II?
I have no doubt that there are very many anti-war kooks who would not hesitate to believe that, but it sure doesn't pass the smell test to me.
Keep in mind that we attacked Japan repeatedly with unguided incendiary bombs in WWII, while we mostly relied on precision guided bombs when bombing Iraq. Also remember that the aerial bombing in Iraq occurred in the first three weeks of the war, and thereafter was only used to support certain offensives like in Fallujah, etc.
Keep in mind that the purpose of strategic bombing in WWII was to kill civilians and that we intentionally targeted Japanese civilians for over a year. In Iraq, we make a great effort to avoid civilian deaths. In fact, Iraqi civilian deaths are counter-productive to the war effort and can be used as a propaganda against us by our enemies, as the Lancet study proves.
Keep in mind that we flattened two Japanese cities in WWII with nuclear weapons, and that those attacks weren't even as deadly as the Tokyo firebomb raid in which three hundred B-29s burned the city to the ground and killed almost 100,000 civilians in one night. We bombed the crap out of Japan so thoroughly that we had pretty much run out of cities to destroy by the end of the war.
It was a lot easier to kill Japanese civilians by firebombing than it is to kill Iraqis today. The Lancet figures that most Iraqis (56%) were killed by gunshots, which is probably the least efficient way of killing mass numbers of people. Remember that Japanese civilians lived in houses made of paper and wood, and that the population density of Iraq is nothing compared to Japan in the 1940s. During the Tokyo raid, escape was near impossible. Shaffer wrote:
The fire storm quickly roasted those who stayed in under-house shelters. Alleys and small gardens filled with flaming debris. Shifting flames blocked exit routes. Abandoning their efforts to check the inferno, firemen tried to channel people across already burned areas, and where there was still water pressure they drenched people so they could pass through the fire. Some inhabitants ducked themselves in firefighting cisterns before moving. . . .
Choking inhabitants crawled across fallen telephone poles and trolley wires. As superheated air burned their lungs and ignited their clothing, some burst into flames, fire sweeping up from the bottoms of trousers or starting in the cloth hoods worn for protection against the sparks. Residents hurried from burning areas with possessions bundled on their backs, unaware that the bundles had ignited. Some women who carried infants this way realized only when they stopped to rest that their babies were on fire.
. . . Thousands submerged themselves in stagnant, foul-smelling canals with their mouths just above the surface, but many died from smoke inhalation, anoxia, or carbon monoxide poisoning, or were submerged by masses of people who tumbled on top of them, or boiled to death when the fire storm heated the water. [p. 134]
That is what it takes to kill 655,000 civilians. Death on that kind of scale is not something that can easily escape notice, yet there have been no such stories coming out of Iraq in the last three years. I'm not trying to minimize the horrible situation in Iraq, but some perspective is definitely in order. And the Lancet's estimate is so insanely exagerrated I can only conclude that the researchers are bald-faced liars.
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Killing 650,000 out of a population of 26 million would be about 2.5% of the population. That would be something in the neighborhood of communicating Sherman's message of war, i.e. "Don't fuck with us". We haven't done that.
Posted by: Casca at October 14, 2006 05:31 PM (2gORp)
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Maaaan, your post was so engrossing that I missed Suppan's homerun.
Posted by: Sarah at October 14, 2006 06:01 PM (7Wklx)
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I don't believe the air strike figure nor the 655,000 dead figure from the liberation of Iraq. I wonder if they counted morgues and Iraqi statistics kept by authorities put in place after the fall of Saddam. I wonder why they extrapolate to the entire country when the Kurd and some other ereas were not affected much by coalition military action.
I think that you are right when you say that these numbers do not pass the smell test, and your post gives some good reasons why not.
Posted by: Denny at October 14, 2006 06:29 PM (gN92I)
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This study, like the phony one they put out before, is being roundly discredited. It doesn't pass the smell test because it's BS.
Posted by: blu at October 14, 2006 08:15 PM (42Ozp)
I chose the above picture as a reminder of what a nuclear bomb can do. That was a young boy, maybe twelve or thirteen, who was incinerated by "Little Boy" at Hiroshima.
I think it's highly irresponsible for various pundits, mostly on the right, but some on the left, to suggest that we must respond to North Korea's saber rattling with a military attack. It's irresponsible because now that Kim Jong-il has a nuclear arsenal (assuming the tests weren't faked) we can certainly expect that he will use it if attacked.
Two things are clear to me: We must use every effort to avoid war with North Korea, while at the same time we must use whatever means necessary to disarm Kim Jong-il. The little boy in the picture is the reason I believe this.
While I think diplomacy is usually a complete boondoggle, there are options that can be and should be employed before we go charging in with guns blazing where a madman controls nuclear weapons.
The North Korean situation is similar to the Iranian one, but not identical. And as you know, I don't support military action in Iran, yet. Regime change without an invasion is the least ugly of all the options in both theaters. It's probably an easier task against the Iranians, but in neither case do I see any concrete signs that the Bush Administration is doing anything to encourage internal opposition movements. As I've said before, I think that's a big mistake.
In regards to North Korea, it seems to me that we have an advantage that is not available to us against Iran. World opinion, and especially regional opinion, seems pretty united against North Korea. I think the reason China and Russia are willing to play along against Kim Jong-il is that the balance of power equation they are employing in Central Asia does not apply to the Korean Peninsula.
In other words, China and Russia have a strong interest in promoting Iran as a rival to U.S. power in the Middle East. It's the latest incarnation of the "Great Game." But the Asian powers have now realized that promoting North Korea as a balance to American Power in the Far East is a fool's game.
The goal of balance of power politics is to maintain regional stability, and a nuclear armed DPRK upsets the status quo — not a good thing for China and Russia. They know that if Japan wanted to, they could easily build their own nuclear arsenal, and each warhead would probably fit in the palm of your hand, work perfectly every time, and get great gas mileage to boot.
So if China and Russia can be persuaded to go along with a strong sanctions regime, combined with a "quarantine" of North Korea, I think that would be a great start. They might be willing to do so.
The next few months will be a major test for Condoleezza Rice. I think her tenure as Secretary of State has been pretty lackluster, but I'm much more impressed with John Bolton. If the State Department can get its act together, maybe they can forge an alliance among the regional powers. I'd like to see Australia join in too. I'm hopeful that a united front could successfully change North Korea's behavior.
Normally, I'm not a fan of sanctions. But this might be one of those rare situations where sanctions have some effect, mainly because of the unanimity of world opinion against North Korea. It reminds me of South Africa. Sanctions arguably helped end apartheid, and while that analogy only goes so far, it is interesting to note that South Africa is the only country to have developed nuclear weapons and then given them up voluntarily.
I favor an internal revolution as the best way to solve the Iranian crisis, but I don't see that idea working in North Korea. I have not heard of any opposition groups in that closed society. I think Kim Jong-il's regime is so repressive that they'd make Tian'anmen Square look like a company picnic.
I believe the best way to defuse the situation is to get China to use its influence against Kim Jong-il himself. China is the only party that can apply pressure against the dictator to get him to step down. We'll probably have to live with a nuclear armed North Korea, but if Kim Jong-il can be replaced with a moderate who won't threaten the whole region, everybody will be able to breathe a lot easier.
The North Korean dictator's latest flagrant defiance of the Security Council should offer enough cover for the Chinese to make Kim Jong-il an offer he can't refuse. China can offer Kim asylum, and they have the power to influence the selection of his successor. North Korea can then remain communist, but perhaps reform themselves along the lines of modern China. Sanctions might even eventually be lifted. Getting rid of Kim Jong-il is the key, and as I see it, China is our best hope to accomplish that end.
More: Fans of Kevin Kim know that he teaches something or other in South Korea (English I think). Here's his inimitable commentary on the scuttlebutt over there.
One student surprised me with her take on Kim Jong Il. "I sort of liked him until today," she said, "But now I hate him." I kept a poker face, but my guts were writhing and my testicles kept popping in and out of my body like turtle heads. My asshole started shrieking ultrasonically; little edible dogs screamed in response and then exploded outside our building (NB: I've decided to name any future canine pet "Yummy"). Liked Kim Jong Il?
By the way, Kevin tends to doubt that Kim Jong-il really has nukes yet. Some Koreans aren't above lying about important stuff. Look at how long Sun lied to Jin about knowing English.
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I'm not sure China can pull that off. If they could, they would have stopped the testing before it happened. As it is, they were given a twenty minute heads-up before the test occurred. Not something you do to a trusted partner.
Secondly, you overlook how the North Koreans can retaliate against the Chinese. They can basically unleash a human wave of refugees on both China and South at any minute. And neither is prepared for something that would make the Cuban fiasco of '78 look like nothing. Castro sent 10,000 to Miami - Kim can send millions.
Third, putting the Koreas firmly in the Chinese column would leave nothing in the way of Chinese hedgemony in Asia but Taiwan. And I think we all know where that leads. Actually, we don't, because President Carter's abrogation of the mutual defense treaty is still unsettled as a matter of law.
Fourth, Chinese hedgemony does nothing to stop what I believe Kim's REAL motivation in the testing was - forcing a nuclear Japan. If that happens, and I think that's inevitable now, all of Asia unites against the Japanese (who they all already detest) and North Korea becomes forgotten by everyone who isn't the United States.
Feel better?
Posted by: skippystalin at October 09, 2006 11:17 PM (IanE0)
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Annika - I disagree that Kim has an "arsenal" - right now he has one or two at most (remember that we had no more after Nagasaki for quite some time)and Kim currently has no way to deploy them. It is time to stop him now before he learns how to attach one to a missile (no trivial task). That is why military action should be swift and soon.
Posted by: John at October 10, 2006 05:14 AM (ct7Ey)
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Thanks for injecting some sanity into the hysteria John. Anni, most of what you've articulated is the status quo. In the Rumsfeld formulation, you don't know, what you don't know.
China doesn't want a nuclear Japan, that's their motivation to act. The Chinese have always had the ability to step on Kim. The solution to this problem will be a Chinese solution.
Kim is a meglomaniac in the Blowfeld mold, probably from watching too many 007 movies. I doubt that he's capable of thinking strategically.
Posted by: Casca at October 10, 2006 06:51 AM (Y7t14)
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Irina,
I think it is a bit late to be whinning about the inexorable march of invention, need and human dysfunction.
It could be argued that nuclear weapons are the single most important factor responsible for damping any major conflict over the last 50 years. That is not to say the world has been free from war just that the level could have been far worse.
If Iran had a deliverable nuke 5 years ago it might have stopped our criminal invasion of Iraq.
If it were not for the promise of Soviet protection of Cuba, we would have invaded and toppled Castro in the 60's. The Cuban's then could have had McDonalds, mineral extractors, gambling, and massive tourist trade instead of universities, doctors, low infant mortality, world class sports teams, universal medical care, affordable housing and literacy.
So, nu-q-ler (to use our dim witted leaders pronunciation) devices can be a force for good.
Now, Blu, bust a gut telling me about Castro's repressive political strangle hold on the good peeps of Cuba. About how he, like the govt. of US people can haul people off to prison and hold in the dark without charges indefinitely, Or how a noted author and radio personality was told the other day in Texas, not to talk politics while flogging his book, "'cause this is Bush's church." The shirts in America are turning brown, Blu, and you are still pounding the table about Castro. Get over it and get a grip on what's happening here. Why do you continue to be complacent about the sale of your liberties for a pound of false security?
Posted by: strawman at October 10, 2006 07:56 AM (tuy00)
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I'm not entirely sure that irina isn't a bot. But assuming she isn't:
Strangely enough, in all my years studying history at Berkeley, I didn't caught the main idea that the world is built as a spiral. I want my money back.
Also, I think even Strawman would agree that sometimes non-innocent people suffer in war. The nazis for instance, got what they deserved ultimately.
Posted by: annika at October 10, 2006 08:49 AM (zAOEU)
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Annika,
I caught that spiral idea once but unhooked it and threw it back.
Yes, non-innocents do suffer and die in war and no war is fought where innocents are not killed as well. And I do know that our forces more than any other try to avoid civilian casualities. As much as I hated the idea that we were attacking Iraq, I watched the opening night(s) and was bouyed by the apparent precision with which we were destroying military infastructure and avoiding the city at large. At that point I hoped that the military would fold and disperse, Saddam would flee and we would succeed in a regime change without terrible destruction and loss of life. But what did I know about the internal issues of Iraq? Nothing. the tragedy is, of course, that Rumnuts knew about as much as I did.
Yes, for the most part the Nazis did get what they deserved (though the Soviet forces did it better), except the ones we (the Soviets as well) thought would do us some good either in our rocketry and fission programs. We also harbored nazis that we thought would be helpful in our upcoming struggle with the Soviets. Talk about moral relativism. Do you know the Tom Lehrer song about Werner von Braun?
Posted by: Strawman at October 10, 2006 09:35 AM (tuy00)
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Straw,
I see that you have finally come to accept the Bush doctrine of preemption.
Well, at least you are learning.
Keep it up, Grasshopper.
Posted by: blu at October 10, 2006 10:29 AM (hXbaB)
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I'll compliment Straw's response to Annie. Despite his first post, I actually confused him for a rational liberal for a second there.
Posted by: reagan80 at October 10, 2006 03:32 PM (dFOlH)
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Thanks for the shout-out, as always, A.
By the way, if you don't subscribe to STRATFOR and would like to see the latest from them re: the NK issue, please give me an email and I'll forward you the issues that were forwarded to me.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at October 10, 2006 10:20 PM (TDwc6)
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Ah, I forgot to mention: my position isn't that I doubt NK has nukes; I simply doubt that what exploded was in fact a nuke. (And was there or wasn't there a second nuke test?)
Thanks,
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at October 10, 2006 10:22 PM (TDwc6)
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I generally agree with your recap of the situation; you have a well-developed sense of power struggles for someone so (relatively) young.
I would simply note a couple of discussion points;
1. "I think diplomacy is usually a complete boondoggle"
There are many flavors of diplomacy, including overt or covert 'gunboat' diplomacy. There are communications with the nation at question directly (perhaps not in this case), there are communications with heads of state in a)close allies, 2)other friendly allies, 3)passively or loosely aligned nations (e.g. Pakistan), 4) the rest of the nations, and then there is diplomacy as is conducted through public information sources. Expect each of the above messages to be different. Building a coalition is a diplomatic process. I believe I understand what you meant, though that term is normally too broad for brushstroke generalization, IMHO.
2. Kim may have no desire for asylum, regardless of what the Chinese offer (or admonish). Remember that he has been fed a steady diet of propaganda since he was young; he has no sense of reality or how to negotiate beyond threats of destruction in one form or another. He has no power base among his people, and must continually plot despotic ways to wield authority over them. Would make a great dissertation subject for an advanced psych post-grad.
Posted by: will at October 12, 2006 11:38 AM (h7Ciu)
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Calling for a military attack dosen't make one happen, it makes the threat a little more credible so diplomacy can work.
Posted by: Dave at October 19, 2006 09:34 AM (ebGbi)
Update: As always, I recommend you check out The Princess.
Back in 1994, we made a deal with their devil to allow them to seek out "enrichment" and nuclear technology--even to assist them in building reactors--so long as they made the Scouts Honor promise to use it for good and not for evil. We agreed to lift the sanctions that the government said was "harming" their population beyond repair, to the point where children and families were starving in the streets. We assumed that they would collapse as a government long before this moment, when a bomb equivalent to 15,000 tons of TNT explodes underground. We gave them plenty of money, plenty of resources, engaged in talks with them as though they were a legitimate nation, like Germany or England, and all the while, they understood our motivations and secured themselves agains that. We were the stupid ones; they wouldn't let their regime fail, and they would certainly not allow our money to go to the projects we had designated. Instead, the international community, lifted the sanctions on their end, poured money into a nuclear program, and the results? A nuclear bomb, and a starving people. One step ahead for them, one giant step back, for us.
Many are suggesting this emerging situation reminds people of President Bush's strength, or at least will increase his approval numbers. I suppose this is because his numbers go up when we get a reminder that Radical Islamists are still out there and want to kill us. I'm not so sure that's the case here--what this situation actually reminds me of is the failure of the Bush administration to properly deal with North Korea. Yes, the Norks established their nuclear program under Clinton . . . but President Bush has now had six years to deal with it, and not[h]ing has been accomplished.
Yes, Bush's Korean effort has been a failure but don't start thinking that Kerry's unilateral fetish would have produced a different outcome. I think Madeline Albright proved the ultimate value of that nice piece of paper signed by a tyrant after successful unilateral negotiations.
Posted by: Kevin Kim at October 09, 2006 07:26 AM (1PcL3)
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Hell, you can make a good case that our Korea-policy went South when Ridgeway replaced MacArthur.
Posted by: Casca at October 09, 2006 08:48 AM (Y7t14)
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What's the stick that we could have used over the past 6 years? Clinton et al fucked us in the 90's, and I don't know what could have been done after that screw job. The U.N. has been unwilling to do anything - (well the Chinese have been unwilling to do anything.) Will that change? What are we going to do - sanctions so all their people can starve. The Dog Eater doesn't care if his people starve anyway.
Watch the MSM try to resurrect the Clinton's again. They give us the problem, but somehow the MSM will manage to blame Bush. Count on it. In the next couple of weeks, the stupidest person ever to hold the office of Sec of State, Madeleine Albright, will be held up as an "expert." Every time you see her lips move remember that Barbara Boxer is probably brighter.
Posted by: blu at October 09, 2006 09:55 AM (hXbaB)
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BREAKING NEWS:
HILLARY BLAMES BUSH FOR N. KOREAN NUCLEAR TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: blu at October 09, 2006 11:30 AM (hXbaB)
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I'm pretty sure Nippon still has some old topos and grid overlays. All they need is an overhaul of their constitution and...........
They're by no means an Asiatic Israel, who we can count on to take the DPRK's program out, but the last thing China wants is for N.K. to prompt a massive remilitarization of the 2nd largest and most technologicaly advanced Asian economy.
There's a good chance that could happen and China may decide to pull the reins on that little Gargoyle....at least temporarily.
Posted by: Jasen at October 09, 2006 05:39 PM (dGhSN)
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See, that's the beauty of it. President Bush isn't actually on the ballot. Kim and the Iranian Mullahs love Bush because he's done so much to enhance their international stature and their domestic support.
But the testing this close to an election leaves the president in office, while neutering him politically. A best case scenario.
I despise the Democrats, but arguing that you need Republicans in office because the last six years have brought you a nuclear North Korea is a laughably difficult case to make. Besides, Mark Foley is more than enough bad news for the GOP right now.
Kim is nuts, but he's still pretty smart. After all, he's managed to play his neighbours, all more powerful than himself, off of each other for years.
And now we might just find out that President Bush isn't the only one capable of affecting regime change.
Posted by: skippystalin at October 09, 2006 11:26 PM (IanE0)
Democrats (and some Republicans) Call For Gay Profiling
Any treatment of the Mark Foley story must include certain disclaimers, so let's get those out of the way first.
1. Foley's conduct with the pages was despicable, inexcusable, inappropriate, sickening, and in my opinion may turn out to be worse than has been alleged so far.
2. I'm glad he is gone, good riddance.
3. If Dennis Hastert or other members of the House Republican leadership knew about the masturbatory internet chats (as opposed to the e-mails sent to a different page, which they did know about), then Hastert is no better than Cardinal Mahoney and needs to be booted out.*
Now, the question before us is whether Hastert should be booted out anyway. That's what Democrats and some Republicans are saying.
An excellent summary of the story as of last Sunday can be found at American Thinker.
What do we know so far?
In the Fall of 2005, Speaker Hastert's office was first notified of "overly friendly" emails sent by Foley to a certain page (not the one from the masturbatory chats). Hastert's office was not shown the original emails.
Now, since Hastert is not the "boss" of the House of Representatives (he's barely the boss of the House Republicans) he appropriately handed off the issue to the Clerk of the House.
The House Clerk is kind of a quasi-operations officer for the whole House, and is elected by the whole House.
The Clerk asked to see the "overly friendly" e-mails in question and was told that the parents didn't want to reveal them for privacy reasons. The issue was resolved by the Clerk's office telling Foley to stop all contact with the page.
As far as I know, nobody is claiming that Hastert ever knew of the masturbatory chats before they were disclosed last week. All he knew about was the "overly friendly" e-mails, and he didn't even know what was in them.
Now, we can have a discussion about whether Hastert's office, or the Clerk should have been more vigourous in demanding to see what was in the e-mails. But even if they had seen the e-mails, what should they have done?
Look at the e-mails in question, and ask yourself why they are disturbing. I think they are, but I have the benefit of knowing about the masturbatory chats, which provide a hell of a lot of context.
In the first e-mail, Foley asks, "how old are you now?" In the second, he comments that another page is "in really great shape." In the third, Foley asks the page what he wants for his birthday. In the fourth e-mail, Foley says, "send me a pic of you as well."
In the law of defamation, there is a concept called "defamation per quod," which is used to describe a statement that is not defamatory in and of itself, but can be defamatory if one takes into account facts that are extrinsic to the statment itself.
You might say that Foley's e-mails contain statements that are "pederastic per quod." In other words, the statements themselves are not creepy unless one takes into account a fact that is extrinsic to the statements: the fact that Mark Foley is gay.
Alarm bells could not go off in anyone's mind upon reading those e-mails unless one takes into account the sexual orientation of the author. In other words, Hastert's critics are implicitly saying that Hastert should have made two assumptions about Mark Foley in general and the e-mails in particular (which he didn't even see).
1. That Mark Foley is gay, and
2. All gays want to have sex with young boys.
Assumption number two is patently untrue, and I don't know why gay rights groups are not speaking up in outrage about this. For Hastert to come down on Foley based on the text of those four emails, Hastert would have had to assume the worst about a gay man on pretty flimsy evidence. Is that fair? Or isn't that gay profiling?
Add to that the fact that Foley was not officially out of the closet until this week. There were rumors, certainly, but Foley had always denied them. If Hastert had "outed" Foley on the basis of those four e-mails alone, Hastert would have been pilloried by the same people now calling for his head.
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I have deep reservations about forming my opinions from 'news' blogs; there's really no accountability and they could be 80% right, with the other 20% carefully crafted spin.
I have a hard time believing that the subject was brought to the attention of Hastert if it was just a friendly IM asking for a pic, unless there was something about the pic that hasn't been elaborated on yet.
There will be much about this to come, so I will simply reserve judgement until I see more evidence (or coverup).
Posted by: will at October 03, 2006 06:15 PM (h7Ciu)
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Well, I don't know that you'd have to think number 2 to be troubled by just these emails alone. Leaving aside the fact that I'm just bothered that a congressman writes so horribly (though, really, I guess I shouldn't be so shocked -- I've seen some law partners with horrendous email skills... but I digress), these emails are REALLY freaking casual for being between a congressman and a page. I interned for my congressman while I was in college and I don't think he even knew my name, let alone sent me emails asking for my picture. So unless he shows that level of familiarity with ALL of his pages/interns, I'd think it was kind of fishy, yeah, and I don't think all gays (or even very many of them) are pedophiles.
I'm not saying that this is necessarily a reason to kick out Hastert -- I don't have strong feelings about that one way or another, and I think it's very cynical but predictable of democrats to use this as an excuse -- but I don't think that you'd necessarily have to think all gays are pedophiles to find the emails a little troubling.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at October 03, 2006 08:33 PM (6KMvp)
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This is not a Dimocratic or Ripofflican thing. It is indicative of a lack of honor and integrity on the part of those who serve in Congress.
Term limits anyone?
Posted by: NOTR at October 03, 2006 10:25 PM (izx0t)
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I just think the guy is a fucking pervert, and I'm happy as hell he got caught. Sure, it helps the Dems - hell they may even be behind the release so long after the fact - but the bottom line is the guy deserves to be in that special place in Hell reserved for those who exploit children. What an amazing creep. And, I hate to sound macho because it generally sounds very stupid, but the guy needs his nancy boy ass kicked.
As for the leadership, I'm with Will. I don't know enough for a judgement. The Dems grandstanding this, though, is pretty hypocritical given they didn't say jackshit about their own page pervert in the past.
And how about the guy busting out the "I was abused by clergy" crap. So fucking what? That's an excuse? Again, this is a man in need of a good ol' fashioned ass kicking.
Posted by: blu at October 03, 2006 10:48 PM (hXbaB)
Posted by: Radical Redneck at October 03, 2006 11:26 PM (vElSn)
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You know I try to be tolerant and all that. But I would say that any gay who (1)sought some high position of power, and (2) was in the closet, is probably also capable of hitting on underage kids.
It sort of goes with the territory of being a narcissist and living a false life.
Posted by: kyle8 at October 04, 2006 03:06 AM (fGBhJ)
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"Hastert's office was not shown the original emails." How do we know this?
Posted by: will at October 04, 2006 04:21 AM (h7Ciu)
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how do we know the sun will come up tomorrow?
because annie says so!
Posted by: annie at October 04, 2006 06:45 AM (MNk5t)
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I have to agree with Law Fairy; there's something inherently creepy about a man in a congressman's position being so interested in teenage pages. I'd feel exactly the same if they were girls. Foley's e-mails seem innocent enough on their face until you recall that he's a 52 year-old man writing to teenagers. It would be one thing if they were family, or if Foley were a close friend of their families. (When I was a teenager I used to occasionally hang out at the house of one of my parents' friends, who was in his fifties. There was nothing inappropriate about it; he'd known me since the day I was born, and I thought he was a pretty cool guy. And he was. He even loaned me his 1969 AMX once. The 390! What a rush ... but I digress.) But absent that kind of understandably close relationship, my reaction in Hastert's place would've been to wonder what Foley could possibly have in common with sixteen year-olds.
I'm only 36, and there are few sixteen year-olds I'd be interested in befriending; I just don't have much in common with most of them. Look at it this way. A 23 year-old law student clerked in my office this summer. (A smokin' hot 23 year-old law student.) If I were to start e-mailing her using the same tone Foley used with these pages, asking for pics of her and the like, I think many people would quite naturally assume I was trying to bang her. And I have a lot more in common with a 23 year-old law student than any congresscritter has in common with any sixteen year-old. There might have been plausible innocent explanations for those e-mails, but I would've wanted to hear them.
Posted by: Matt at October 04, 2006 07:38 AM (10G2T)
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and then what...
that's the point, with which the WSJ agrees, btw.
Posted by: annika at October 04, 2006 12:17 PM (fTmcd)
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Annika,
Hey Kyle8
With both hands on my dick how did you get that shot? Wearing those creepy glasses with the camera in the bridge again? But thanks for the exposure, you know what they say.
But seriously folks, I like my cheek but I take my tongue out of it some times.
Whether Foley is a despicable old queen is not in dispute. His clergy abuse, alcoholism defense is such scary cynical bullshit you gotta wonder what lawmakers have for brains or think their constituents have. He is out of Congress and if his pandering rises to a crime he will most likely be prosecuted. That is the end of that.
But like most of what goes on in DC, the real crime is against the American people perpetrated by those whose fear of losing power causes them to lose perspective and act like criminals. Now I was not in the room with Hastert when he made his decisions about this matter based on the "overly friendly" but not graphic emails but I am confident he was in no rush to investigate Foley, knowing what he would find (you would have to be brain dead not to recognize these emails for what they were) could not act against the best interests of the party. Politicians are concerned with POWER not the well being of 16-17 year old boys. Foley might pay them lip service; in fact I am sure he would but not big fat Denny. Will Denny escape aiding and abetting because the "friendly" emails' intent is deniable (not really but he will shrug and say shit like “What’s wrong with asking if a young man is in good physical condition? That's a nice, caring question. Where’s the harm in that?" There is no level of disingenuousness that these pigs won't stoop to when their ass in hanging out. He seems to have deniability on the "So, you're prolly gonna jerk off this weekend, right? Maybe I could lend a hand." text messages.
I have no doubt what –so-ever that they hoped to confine this matter at least until after the mid terms.
Should Denny step down? Who the fuck cares? What will he be replaced with? A congenial bi-partisan deal maker? Hardly, there are plenty more dogs in the pen.
Posted by: strawman at October 04, 2006 01:06 PM (tuy00)
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I wasn't addressing what Hastert should've done; perhaps there was nothing he could have done. But you went beyond that claim; you asserted that that one has to assume "all gays want to have sex with young boys" in order for those e-mails to generate alarm bells. No. The fact that a 52 year-old man is writing those sorts of things to a 16 year-old of either sex, in this context, should set off alarm bells. If my daughter (who'll be 16 in fewer years than I'd like to admit) were getting such e-mails from s fifty-something former boss, I'd seriously consider kicking his ass.
Posted by: Matt at October 04, 2006 01:24 PM (10G2T)
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It now appears the page was 18, so it looks like Foley will skate criminal prosecution. Anyone who doesn't believe that power corrupts is willfully blind. This applies to both parties, and term limits are at least part of the answer. Along with limits on the professional staff as well. My preference would be a strict 12 year limit total executive or legislative branch service.
No more pages, also.
Posted by: MarkD at October 05, 2006 05:16 AM (oQofX)
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I stand corrected on the ages. I should not have stopped with the headline in Drudge.
Posted by: MarkD at October 05, 2006 05:50 AM (oQofX)
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Kyle8,
I looked more closely at that photo and I suspect the line "... and the destruction of Israel" is photoshop'ed in. It just does not look correct and the angle of the line cast back to the rear of the picture does not match the other lines. Also it is jet black and given the colors of the rest of the poster I don't think the makers would have used black. And, of course, the conflict, not that this would surprize the RW bigots, between the the "....for peace" and ....destruction" sentiments.
I could be wrong but I don't think so.
Posted by: strawman at October 05, 2006 06:43 AM (tuy00)
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Something got knocked loose last night. Per ageofconsent.com, 16 is legal in the District of Columbia.
So, if the page were 17 and in DC, I suppose, technically, there was nothing illegal. Unbelievably, incredibly distasteful, to say the least, but not illegal.
(NOTE: Please keep in mind I just *work* in a law firm--I don't practice in one. I ain't no lawyer; those with legal backgrounds are free to tear this apart as they see fit. Heck, so are those without legal backgrounds.)
Posted by: Victor at October 05, 2006 09:00 AM (WHtgF)
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I haven't been following this very closely. I had the impression that the virtual sex occurred after the pages returned home to Florida or wherever they were from. In that case, D.C. law might not apply. There's been some stuff about this over at Volokh in the past couple of days.
Posted by: Matt at October 05, 2006 12:26 PM (10G2T)
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Doesn't the fact that gays have waxed poetic about pederasty since the times of Xenophon count for us doing a little extra profiling here? Women, it seems, know men want to fuck them, even when they're 14, so they keep a certain appropriate distance if they're sensible. But young men are ambitious and likely less aware they're being seduced until they wake up with a dick in their mouth or realize it's time to quit going out to dinner with their favorite teacher/coach/professor or whoever. What's my point? This guy is a piece of crap, a seducer of star-struck youth?
Posted by: Roach at October 05, 2006 01:59 PM (1BjlW)