November 18, 2005
Joke Of The Day
CBS Evening News anchor Bob Schieffer, on why all three major networks reported Rep. Murtha's "we must surrender" speech as the most important news story of the day:
Politicians make speeches all the time. Some matter and some don't. It was our opinion that this one mattered.
No word yet on why CBS didn't consider a recent "we must win" speech by the freakin'
President of the United States in the same light.
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Posted by: kyle at November 18, 2005 03:34 PM (K4+hv)
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Thank God so few listen to Schieffer. As for Murtha, he had a good day or two in the field thirty-odd years ago. Yesterday he brought shame to himself in a way that will be remembered by those who once respected him, while his NEW friends will have forgotten everything that he's ever done the day after the last GI has left Iraq. Pity to see an old warrior piss himself like that.
Posted by: Casca at November 18, 2005 03:37 PM (qBTBH)
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Annika,
The freakin president is just that; a freak who has such diminished credibility and sagacity that no one is listening. What's freakin really had to believe is that he once did! There is no winning this bone headed assault on the laughably named "terrorism" and all but the delusional are coming around to see this clearly.
Posted by: strawman at November 18, 2005 03:40 PM (0ZdtC)
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hmmmmm
And yet the news outlets maintain that they are objective and neutral... uh-huh...
Posted by: The Law Fairy at November 18, 2005 04:45 PM (bzLvk)
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Oh Strawman, I know you're used to circles where if you draw on your pipe and say something that seems important as you blow your smoke rings, people will be in awe. Here, my man, you're going to have to do a little better.
Posted by: Pursuit at November 18, 2005 05:04 PM (n/TNS)
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Strawman:
It's exactly that defeatist attitude you and your liberal brethren possess that has the potential to cost us this war on terror.
I wish you all could see the price we'd all pay if President Bush didn't have the balls to stand up to the critics and do what he knows in his heart is right by actually stepping up to the plate and confronting terrorism.
If we hadn't taken a stand on terrorism, the terrorists would have continued their GLOBAL campaign. It would have cost, quite possibly, millions of lives in all corners of the world, increasing with the virulent nature of extremist influence. Maybe not in our lifetime, but most assuredly in our children's.
The terrorists won't stop unless confronted (as we are doing) or until they establish their global caliphate and turn all of us infidels (including you liberal dipshits) into slaves.
That is the mission of the terrorist, in black and white, and until you idiots realize that and get behind this mission, it will continue.
Rob
Posted by: Rob at November 19, 2005 06:21 AM (FjMC8)
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Hey Rob,
When your done reading from the Bush-Chainey fairy tale I've got a Murice Sendak you might want to look at. Also very scary and also written for 8 year olds. You are a childish spouter of scary, simplistic bullshit. The whole lure seems to have gone down your throat without any descernable gagging. Your intellectual gag reflex was apparently overcome by the scepter of divine infallibility that was rammed down your throat in a pew somewhere in the heartland. Wake up pal, the only shortage is explosives not the people willing to wear them. And, obviously, there are millions more willing to strap them on since the invasion of Iraq not fewer. You are not safer. I hope you still have your chain mail and lance in the garage. I'll venture that the horse has died.
Posted by: strawman at November 19, 2005 07:34 AM (0ZdtC)
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Good point, Annika.
Now who is this "Bob" guy?
Posted by: Mark at November 19, 2005 09:13 AM (Vg0tt)
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Strawman,
Attitudes like yours lost us Vietnam. Good job. Keep talking like that and Republicans might have 60 Senators and 240 seats come next election.
Posted by: Mark at November 19, 2005 09:14 AM (Vg0tt)
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Strawman: "Your intellectual gag reflex was apparently overcome by the scepter of divine infallibility that was rammed down your throat in a pew somewhere in the heartland."
Eeeew! Yuck. I didn't come here for porn. What a creepy little pervert you are!
Sorry Strawman - no "8 year olds" here. Go fish.
Posted by: dw at November 19, 2005 09:38 AM (p2eM6)
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MArk,
Vietnam was lost the day the Johnson White house lied about the provocation for the TOnkin GUlf Res.(attack on the USS Maddox) and Iraq was lost the day(s) Bush and company lied about all the connections to 911, uranium, bio agents and every other fucking thing. WHen scum lead the country to war to fight enemies that don't exit, we always lose.
When our government is run by ideologues who will lie to further their ulterior motives Democracy is the looser.
DW-
Sounds like your gag relex is intact. The only thing pornographic around here is obcenity of 2000 Americans dying to protect the Bush family fortune and rendering our country at greater risk than on September 12.
Posted by: strawman at November 19, 2005 12:41 PM (0ZdtC)
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Amen, Strawman. The reason CBS didn't cover the president's speech is because heÂ’s over, and heÂ’s been delivering the same speech to rally sincere, god fearing folks from all walks of life into his (or his keeperÂ’s) unjustified, illegal war since 9/11.
Believe it or not, more and more moderates who had faith in the man are finally coming to realize what weÂ’ve known all along: this front man for the corrupt corporate interests with the most primitive of all motivations, greed, is revealing to all the world how hollow and vile their motivation and character really is.
Posted by: Biff at November 19, 2005 03:29 PM (jt4j7)
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I know a guy like these two at work. He pours all his ignorance of the world and history into conspiracy theories. It's easier than actually thinking about things, and this stuff has been with humanity always. The modern equivalent of Hitler's madness is the "neocon" screed. That this President and this administration is motivated by greed is absolutely 180 out from reality. The Clintons & Johnsons used government to get rich. The Bushes, Cheneys, Rumsfelds, with their large personal fortunes turned their backs on lives of leisure to do the hard work of governing long ignored by those who used the public trust for personal profit in the '90s. You assholes are evil, and deserve the torment that is your self-inflicted ignorance. Flame on, you disgusting parasitic shitstains. We shall succeed in spite of you.
Posted by: Casca at November 19, 2005 06:21 PM (qBTBH)
Posted by: Radical Redneck at November 19, 2005 08:04 PM (7XTy8)
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Strawperson:
Please show me where President Bush "lied."
I will be waiting eagerly for your response.
Posted by: Mark at November 20, 2005 01:15 PM (Vg0tt)
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The wise and great Strawman says, "You are a childish spouter of scary, simplistic bullshit. "
He then goes on to say, "...Democracy is the looser."
Does the term, self-marginalizing idiot feel like a fit there big guy?
Posted by: Pursuit at November 20, 2005 03:00 PM (n/TNS)
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"You assholes are evil, and deserve the torment that is your self-inflicted ignorance. Flame on, you disgusting parasitic shitstains. We shall succeed in spite of you".
Oops. I made the mistake of thinking this blog and forum was going to have some rational, productive discussion. My mistake. I'm outa here.
Posted by: Biff at November 20, 2005 04:01 PM (jt4j7)
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Pursuit you dolt,
What was I thinking!
You are right! Democracy IS the winner when your govt. gets hi-jacked by lying scum who deceive their way to war. I guess I didnÂ’t think it through.
Mark,
I cannot be inside GB's head (scary, empty place that it is) but a reasonable person can see that after the excuse of bad intelligence is trotted out for the tenth or twentieth time to explain why the President, Vice Pres., Sec of State, security advisor and every other member of the "team" portrayed things that were not true you gotta start asking yourself if the whole bunch of them are lying or just stupid, inept managers of the NSA, CIA, FBI. Too many people have come fwd. to tell us that conflicting intel. was swept under the rug or jammed back down the throat of the analyst who was then told to get it right. IT IS SO FUCKING OBVIOUS only you morons insist on a smoking gun.
Mark, When your kid comes home from a party, pupils dilated, SEG on his face, laughing inappropriately, hugging you and slobbering how much he loves you but insists he didn't take X that night, do you believe him since you didn't see the pill go down his throat? Well it is sort of the same thing with this cabal of criminals that led us into this stinking morass they call "liberating Iraq" After 911 they started slobbering all over the American people with every manner of fear mongering story about Iraq, going fwd with lame ideas and then bumping into walls of truth, turning 90 degrees bumping into another wall all the while claiming they were sober but misled by inept intelligence reports and you, Mark, said, “oh, shit, another false report, poor President Bush, deceived again by the totally useless CIA. Gosh, how tough for him. Maybe he should fire all these guys and get some new blood. BTW, Mark, was anybody fired? Or were they given the Medal of Freedom for their stellar work? And was that their real work; cooking the books to support the invasion of Iraq ? I think so. What else could it have been to warrant such an honor? Good boy Mr. Tenant, you really fucked up, but in a good way, the way we wanted it.
We know the Bush cabal could not be telling the truth because they are not as stupid as they insist they are. So easily misled and you voted for these bright guys? DonÂ’t you feel like a schmuck, Mark? How could they get it so wrong? Gee wiz fellas who could have imagined airplanes flying into buildings? What else could a 75mm aluminum tube be used for anyway? And those beat-up old trucks with the pipes and shit all over them could ONLY do one thing-make bio weapons, right? Oh my, tons of yellow cake uranium. How deadly is that? WonÂ’t America be unhappy when an A-bomb goes off in NYC. Mark, did you for a minute think Saddam could make a bomb? Did you ever see the pictures of Hanford where our Uranium was processed? It was the biggest factory in America. Do you know anything about the process? Read a little.
http://www.uic.com.au/uicphys.htm,
http://www.3rd1000.com/nuclear/cruc18.htm
Saddam did not have a single gaseous diffuser or any other device capable of producing U-235 or Plutonium which is made in a reactor. So why was Chaney , Rice, and Powell beating the drum of Saddam’s “bomb” ? Why did Rice say these tubes had only one purpose when memo’s in her office talked about the fact they were used to make self propelled 75mm rockets? Because it made the democrats vote for the war powers bill. Who could risk a no vote when there was a possible nuclear threat? The Atomic-card was a tactic. Nobody with a grain of sense felt Saddam could make a bomb. It was lie. A pile of stinking shit sitting in the middle of the room that the spineless democrats smelled but didn’t have the guts to name.
They were lying to a country of angry, stupid children who needed to feel safe, who were willing to suspend reason and who needed to beat someone up for knocking down our biggest buildings and killing 3 thousand. Oh, The list of lies they spoke is endless. Chaney, in fact, never stopped with the shit about nuclear capacities and the Iraqi connection to 911. I guess you chose to believe they are idiots. Fine. I know they are liars who usurped our democracy to promote their agenda, an agenda that was made clear in the 10 Downing St. memo and many other documents that pre-date 911. Their plan is, however, slowly grinding to a halt because it is ill conceived, corrupt, ineptly enacted and was truly not the solution to the problem posed by radical Islamists who are willing to die trying to roust American influence from the middle east. Iraq was never part of the problem of terrorism and its practitioners, but rather, it is part of the solution of how America is going to protect it self against the mammoth need China will have for oil by the middle of the century and our economic well being which is dependent upon oil.
It was laughable to hear Bush tell China this week how prosperity and well being would come their way if only they would open their hearts to Christianity and allow “all” forms of religious expression. What hubris and what a horrific grip on reality the Bush people have. China is prospering at a rate that we can only envy, burying us in an avalanche of consumer goods and debt. Our nation-less corporate behemoths are their ally and enabler in their inexorable march as they become the largest economy and most powerful nation on the planet. One day they will stop buying our debt, slowing our economy to a standstill but will be able to shift their output to their own gigantic consumer class. Then we are in deep shit. The game is control of resources. Iraq. Not noble tyrant displacement or visions of houses of legislators declaring a course for a free people, nope, none of that, just global positioning and control of resources. The rest are just the lies Americans like yourself cling to making you feel better about a situation that is clearly a humanitarian disaster, economic disaster, and is diminishing our country’s resources and capacity to see to our own needs. The Chinese are chuckling as we beat our heads against the wall and have the temerity to give them advice on running their country. Bush never looked the bigger fool than on this Asian tour where he was rebuffed again and again.
Posted by: strawman at November 20, 2005 05:48 PM (0ZdtC)
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Strawman? Strawman? Damn, what was it the Strawman was going to Oz to get?
I hate it when I have to agree with Casca, but I'm afraid I'm all all fours here; if only his football judgment was as good as his political.
Strawman, do you ever get the idea you might be in the wrong blogisphere? Try moveon.com or michaelmoore.idiot.
Posted by: shelly at November 21, 2005 07:23 AM (6mUkl)
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Strawman,
You should go to Coyote's (Coyote's Bark) website. He's a lot like you---mixes half-truths, blatant lies, along with a multitude of personal attacks all the while feeling self-satisfied despite drowning in his own sophistry.
p.s. If Bush is as stupid as you believe, it must really bother you that he had a better academic record than Gore, and one just as solid as Kerry's. With a little research, you would find out that they all had about the exact same SAT scores. No doubt, Gore and Kerry believed that their scores had been rigged by a vast right-wing conspiracy.
Posted by: Blu at November 21, 2005 09:43 AM (p/buD)
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Shelly,
THink of me as a christian missionary: more interested in the heathens in Mongolia than the born again's in Ohio.
ALthough the Mongolian steppes are far more hospitable than the right wing blogosphere I will persevere. Actually, the chance that some high cheek boned Buddhist Ger dweller would embrace Christianity is probably greater than you, Shelly, seeing the Bush cabal for what it really is.
Posted by: Strawman at November 21, 2005 10:01 AM (0ZdtC)
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Ya know Blu,
Sat's and GPA's asside, I only know what I see and hear: BUsh can't synthesize data into coherent thoughts while the other two guys can. You tell me what it means.
Posted by: Strawman at November 21, 2005 10:05 AM (0ZdtC)
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Excuse me. You believe that Gore and Kerry can synthesize data into coherents thoughts? Quick: Give me either of those idiot's coherent policies associated to Iraq or the Middle East? You can't because neither has one. Gore was part of an administration with absoutely the most inept foreign policy since Carter. North Korea, Iran, and 9-11 are all gifts of those morons, who conducted foreign policy by popularity polls.(Of course, it didn't help that Albright was probably the stupidest person ever to hold the position of Secretary of State. If you got her and Barbara Boxer into the same room, you might have a combined 3-digit IQ.) Gore, Kerry and the rest of the Democratic Left prefer foreign policy by sound bite. And it makes sense considering the intellectual vacuity of the American Left.
Posted by: Blu at November 21, 2005 10:44 AM (p/buD)
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Thing is, George W. Bush is PRESIDENT of the United States of America, Bill Frist is MAJORITY LEADER of the Senate and Dennis Hastert is SPEAKER of the House of Representatives.
John Roberts is CHIEF JUSTICE of the Supreme Court, and the majority votes conservative most of the time, just like the Senate and the House.
Who is it that is not communicating effectively with the people of the United States?
Whining and polls and stupid ploys are the tools of the minority who cannot be elsewhere heard. You know, the folks who want to run policy without the inconvenience of actually winning elections.
Bush communicates just fine to me, and to the voters who put him there.
We follow the Annika line around here; I doubt you'll be effecting any conversions soon.
Posted by: shelly at November 21, 2005 11:01 AM (6mUkl)
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i reccommend Coyote's site. He's a fine artist and former guest blogger here.
Posted by: annika at November 21, 2005 12:52 PM (+b73D)
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Blu,
Now that you have sidesteped my post with a bunch of crap about the policies of entire administrations Just deal, if you can stay focused long enough, with what I said. Gore or Kerry were capable of TALKING at at given moment about the issues in complete paragraphs. A few complete, gramatically correct sentences piled upon each other to form an argument. Did you ever listen to your guy talk about the issues surrounding the SS change he was proposing? Pure gibberish. You know the aphorism about understanding an issue is being able to teach others? This man is not running your government, pal.
Shelly, that is the most disengenuous thing you have ever said "he communicates just fine for me" I know you don't believe it. He embarrasses you but you are a loyal soldier.
And he won a second term by the SMALLEST plurality of any second term president so don't go telling me about his mandate and how the country is going when his current job approval rating is in the mid thirties.
BTW, I'm afraid you are going to be very dissapointed with ROberts. I spoke indirectly to someone very close to Roberts, a classic NE liberal doctor, who is thrilled with this appointment.
Posted by: Strawman at November 21, 2005 04:34 PM (0ZdtC)
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Blah, Blah, Blah....Bush is stupid. He is a puppet. Doesn't understand his policy positions even at a high level. (While Gore and Kerry sounded articulate performing the lines their handlers taught them. Golly, I bet they both got an "A" in speech class. How nice and how totally irrelevant.)
All the same crap you guys said about the 20th century's greatest President, Ronald Reagan. But wishing it, does not make it true. By the way, that is why both Reagan and Bush kicked your sorry liberal asses. You guys were so enamored with your tired and useless policy views and so indulged by the MSM that you couldn't believe the "idiots" could win or that the public at large might actually see through your badly disguised socialism and anti-Americanism.
I'll give you the fact that Bush is not a good public speaker. But his vision in terms of foreign policy is clear. You can disagree with it. Fine. But he possesses a much more coherent and consistent world view (as did that other "idiot," Reagan)than either of his two rivals, whose views, as I said earlier, were/are totally and shamelessly poll driven.
So, while your side was trying to make this country more like the USSR, Reagan was wiping it out. And now, at another important time in history, your side is wrong again. But instead of pretending communism isn't really a problem, this time your side is now finding new ways to capitulate to Islamo-fascism. Gee, maybe if we are nice to them, kiss some Palestinian ass, and blame everything on the Jews, they might play nice. Yeah, right.
God help us if you people are ever back in power. You didn't understand the Communist threat even when Hayek and other made it perfectly clear before it ever gained a foothold, and you don't understand the current threat.
Posted by: blu at November 21, 2005 08:35 PM (p/buD)
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Straw, don't go away mad.
Just go away.
Posted by: shelly at November 22, 2005 12:02 AM (6mUkl)
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Well Blu,
I do agree that we couldn't undestand how the idiots could have won (you of course fail to acknowlege that Gore actually won but that is a small point, right?), but we also had Menken in our ears whispering about how AMerica, given enough time, will get the dumb shit leader it deserves. We also know that we have brought up our children so that they will not be the ones dying in some forsaken desert, killing women and children in support of the corrupt policys of the unelected criminals running this country. Just as they were not the ones dying in the jungles of Vietnam. It'll be the childen of the true believers like yourself, who don't teach thier children to be skeptical and questioning, who become the fodder for the cannons of our valiant leaders like Dick deferment Chaney and George, i couldn't finish my guard duty 'cause I had a few things to do, Bush. These soldiers have all died in vain struggling against the wrong "enemy" in the wrong place:Iraq. Our leaders are neither brave nor students of history but they do have a plan and schmucks like you deserve the outcome. Our country is shifing toward a theocratic, fascist state where the will of the baptized and the terrified is overcoming the logic of science; rationality and reason are jokes to the Kansas School Board. Your children are going to schools that enjoy prayer and the study of creationism while India and China are graduating scientists and engineers at rates we cannot match. Our women are slowly but surely having the control of their reprductive rights turned over to the mullahs in red robes. We are drifiting toward a christian version of the Koronic state the Islamists are fighting for. Just swap the towels for pointy hats and black collars.
The terrorists are multiplying each day and the task of fomenting hatred toward America was seemlessly handed off from OBL to GB. I suspect that Bin Laden was the first to know that we were going to attack Iraq.
Reagan was a lesser bozo than the current pinhead but a hollow shell of a man none the less. The myth that he was cataalytic to the downfall of Communism is just another piece of simplistic revisionist history that is so in keeping with your shallow appraisal of history.
Posted by: Strawman at November 22, 2005 08:43 AM (0ZdtC)
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Interesting how liberals don't want to credit Reagan for the downfall of communism, but the people of Eastern Europe do. They erect statues of the man and name streets after him. So, who should we believe? Please, Strawman. While the cowards of the Left were toasting Castro, men like Reagan and Pope John Paul II were liberating millions of people.
And enough about fascism and a loss of freedom. How much non-sense. How many more millions of abortions per year would you need to prove woman have not lost their right to choose? Don't you worry, Strawman, we will keep killing enough babies to keep even you happy.
American conservatism is not even close to being fascist. Do you even understand what fascism is? People like you tend to evoke words like "Nazi" and "fascist" with little or no historical knowledge of either. Even making a comparison shows how little you understand history generally and fascism specifically. Regarding any loss of freedom: It's your side who is wedded to political correctness and speech codes; it is your side who wants to pretend that the 1st and 2nd amendment don't exist; it is your side who wants to take my money and "redistribute" it; it is your side who wants to take power away from people and put into the hands of liberal judges who are perfectly happy to make things up (see "Roe v.Wade") in order to meet a political agenda.
Finally, comparing Western Christianity and Islamo-fascism is so baseless and stupid that you lose any credibility you might have simply by making the comparison. Really, how silly. If you want to be taken seriously, then don't toss around such inane ideas. No doubt, you believe the Jews were responsible for 9-11 (or maybe it was Bush!!!) You wonder why you are not taken seriously?
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November 17, 2005
Smugglers
From Australia's
Herald Sun:
Four Australian women have been detained while trying to board a plane in Syria, reportedly after gun parts were found inside a child's toy.
The Department of Foreign Affairs (DFAT) said two women from Victoria and two from NSW were with two Iraqi women when they were detained at Damascus airport on Tuesday.
All six were of Iraqi origin, the department said.
A DFAT spokesman would not confirm media reports that the group was detained after a disassembled gun was found inside a toy being carried by a child with the women.
The ABC has quoted a Syrian police source and a diplomatic source as saying the women entered the airport in the Syrian capital with a child.
They said the women were detained after the gun parts were found in a toy the child was holding.
The women were reportedly trying to board a flight bound for Australia.
Via
A Western Heart.
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I certainly hope the officials were prosecuted for racially profiling these poor women. I hope that unecessary strip searches were not performed upon them, just because the child decided to bring his Colt .45 and twenty rounds of high velocity hollow head ammo with him.
We have to stop persecuting these Middle Easterners and get back to random searches only, or our republic will have lost all our civil rights. Where the hell is the ACLU when we need them?
These prejudices must come to an end so we can be free.
Posted by: shelly at November 18, 2005 02:10 AM (6mUkl)
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I think these actions are probably the mission of the ACLU. If there were a SCLU they might be interested but I doubt such and orginazation exists.
Posted by: Shug at November 18, 2005 06:29 AM (U7X+u)
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I think these actions are outside the mission of the ACLU. If there were a SCLU they might be interested but I doubt such and orginazation exists.
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November 11, 2005
annika's Proposed Alternative To The McCain Amendment
Rather than legislate a
blanket prohibition on all "cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment or punishment," (which in many cases can be quite useful, not to mention fun*), i propose the following, more simple compromise amendment:
SEC. __. UNIFORM STANDARDS FOR THE INTERROGATION OF PERSONS UNDER THE DETENTION OF THE DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE.
(a) IN GENERAL - All persons within the custody or under the effective control of the Department of Defense or under detention in a Department of Defense facility shall be subject to any treatment or technique of interrogation that works.
(b) LIMITATIONS - But whatever you decide to do, for God's sakes, don't film it!
_______________
* Lighten up. i said "not to mention," didn't i?
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Actually, every bit of it should be filmed, and every bit of information regarding detainees should be classified. It's that simple.
BTW, is Cal really an 18.5 pt punk to USC? I'm thinking that it's a lot closer.
Posted by: Casca at November 11, 2005 10:30 AM (qBTBH)
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Very funny, as usual.
My thoughts on the role of the pardon power in any extreme interrogation methods:
http://www.affbrainwash.com/chrisroach/archives/020509.php
Posted by: Roach at November 11, 2005 04:49 PM (MRlvg)
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There is one cruel and inhumane interrogation technique which always works and has not (as for as I know) been banned by international tribunal. Put the detainees in a room and play nonstop Yoko Ono!
(but you have to tie them up so they do not puncture their own eardrums.)
Posted by: Kyle N at November 11, 2005 07:48 PM (F0Eov)
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C'mon Casca, stick to SCOTUS and Big 10 stuff and lay off the big leagues. Pac 10 is way too complicated for guys from Columbus.
Cal has a second string QB and is scrappy, but thin.
USC has a way of looking for payback; guess who the last team to beat them was, and where, in a huge upset as well?
Look for this Trojan team to once again explain to the liberals from Sather Gate just how they feel about their last visit to Strawberry Canyon.
USC 50+, Cal less than 20.
Posted by: shelly at November 12, 2005 10:10 AM (6mUkl)
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LMAO, I KNOW what YOU think. I wanted to hear from the scandinavian blond.
I'm watching Ohio State v Northwestern on Gameplan broadband. The resolution sucks! Next week, for the first time in forever, the dykes who now run ABC sports have decided that Ohio State v Michigan is unworthy of a national broadcast... amazing.
Posted by: Casca at November 12, 2005 12:01 PM (qBTBH)
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For the uninformed amongst you, Keith Jackson is a puss-filled, ass-sucking whore, as are most of the PAC-10 officials who will do anything to keep another team from contending against USC. In one series, one sees a penalty called where there is none, and a TD called where there is none.
Posted by: Casca at November 12, 2005 02:42 PM (qBTBH)
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So much for Mighty Alabama and their pretentions. Looks like its Texas vrs USC. and I am gald it worked out that way because, Honestly I think Texas is the only team with a chance of beating USC.
Posted by: Kyle N at November 12, 2005 06:40 PM (o5q9S)
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Nah Kyle, there are several, it just needs to be one with a real defense, ND with a punk defense proved that, and a straight officiating crew, if there is one... fucking lawyers! Ought to mean instant disqualification for the job.
Posted by: Casca at November 12, 2005 07:20 PM (qBTBH)
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Or, if you must film it, just edit the end of a Kerry-Edwards campaign commercial to it, so the last thing you hear after seeing the torture is
"I'm John Kerry, and I approve this message."
Posted by: Eric Kephas at November 13, 2005 02:28 AM (ZRjA4)
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OK Casca, I hope you reconsidered and did not part with your ill gotten money to back a bunch of weenies from Sather Gate. Even if you did, I figure you got it back while the Buckeyes continued to hide their offense. Did a great job of hiding the plays this time, huh?
Too bad you guys blew it against Penn State; can't believe you guys actually lost that game, especially without Pac 10 officiating.
Texas will not beat USC. It will be a shoot out, but SC's offense is virtually unstoppable, and they will simply outscore the horns and wear them down. The Rose Bowl is not our home field, but it is close enough for government work, and the place will be full of cardinal and gold, and not too much burnt orange.
I hope OSU enjoys it in Hawaii.
Posted by: shelly at November 13, 2005 07:52 AM (6mUkl)
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You old fuck, I'm not stupid enough to bet on Cal.
It's not just PAC 10 officials who are corrupt either. There are at least several in the Big 10, and while PAC 10 officials are almost uniformly corrupt, Big 10 officials are almost uniformly incompetent. The requirements for officials should be; nobody over forty, nobody who wasn't a starter in the league for at least a year, and no lawyers.
As you know, it's impossible not to destroy a team that is self-destructiing, and that's what NW did yesterday. After the blocked punt, they collective stood there and pissed their pants until it was over.
Penn State won because Troy Smith can't pass read, and threw an interception that gave the ball to PSU on the OSU 2 yard line, leading to the margin of victory score.
Unless Penn State falls to MSU, which is possible, although a longshot. Remember MSU beat ND. Ohio State and ND will get the at-large bids and go to the Fiesta Bowl. There's just too much money to be made off of all those Buckeye and Irish fans. Plus, it'll be a great game.
Posted by: Casca at November 13, 2005 09:02 AM (qBTBH)
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This might be the best bowl season in a long time. One of the funniest things is that Spurrier actualy has a chance to win the SEC with the lowly Cocks. Spurrier is the best, nastiest, craftiest college coach ever.
Posted by: Kyle N at November 13, 2005 09:49 AM (6ngro)
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Spurrier the best, ever?
Well, ever hear of Knute Rockne, Red Blaik, John McKay, John Robinson, Howard Jones, Red Sanders, Pete Carroll, Ara Parsegian, Bear Bryant, Woody Hayes...just to name a few of the hacks that he is better than. NOT.
Kyle, history is a great subject; learn it, or be doomed by it. (Apologies to Santayana)
Posted by: shelly at November 13, 2005 08:31 PM (6mUkl)
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Shelly you are the one who needs to read. I said he was the NASTIEST, CRAFTIEST best coach. And I stand by that.
Posted by: kyle at November 14, 2005 04:14 AM (b7UTw)
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Casca - Think other at large will go to either SEC # 2 or PAC-10 # 2. Ohio State ends up in the Capital One, assuming PSU and OSU win out.
Well, if crafty means going to Washington, DC, screwing up a NFL team, and walking away with $15M, then Spurrier is all that.
Hope McCain will define "degrading" because wading through the various references to find a definition is a mindnumbing endeavor.
Article 16
Each State Party shall undertake to prevent in any territory under its jurisdiction other acts of cruel, inhuman or degrading treatment or punishment which do not amount to torture as defined in article 1, when such acts are committed by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity
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Kyle, I know how to read; I even know how to parse. Try parsing your sentence. Clearly, you did not write what you meant to say.
Give it a rest; Spurrier is probably a flash in the pan. Certainly, in my mind, he cannot shine the shoes of the men I listed.
I didn't include Shula, Lombardi or Landry, or George Allen or a passel of others due to the fact that you said college and I understood that part of it.
But, if he keeps whipping the pussies at OSU, I may add Paterno...
Posted by: shelly at November 14, 2005 04:17 PM (6mUkl)
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One more inhumane act is to have 15 posts on American football...now that is torture!
Posted by: NOTR at November 14, 2005 06:54 PM (izx0t)
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And then I'll know that you've taken up the pipe and joined the crackheads on the palisades.
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I said, he has to keep beating the pussies at OSU.
I guess, as long as they hide their offense, anything is possible.
Carroll, on the other hand, just says that we are going around your right end; try and stop us...
The pipes are in Venice, not the Palisades.
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November 09, 2005
Francis Urquhart Lives
Tony Blair's days as PM are numbered?
(You might say that. i couldn't possibly comment.)
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The best Blair can hope for is that the real bloodbath within the Labour Party happens after he leaves #10 rather than before. Having explicitly modeled his political career in so many ways on Lady Thatcher's, he shouldn't be too surprised if it came to the same of messy end--at the hands of supposed "allies"--as hers did.
But even if he does avoid that fate, it's still "apres moi, le deluge." Despite the longstanding conventional wisdom about a smooth succession for Gordon Brown, there are plenty of Labour MP's itching for a leadership fight. I'd still bet heavily on Brown to get through, but he'll be badly beat up before he ever fights his first general election as PM. If the Tories then manage a majority or even merely a plurality in England, with Labour (or, even worse, a Labour-Lib Dem coalition) staying in power solely on the votes of Scottish and Welsh MP's, and Brown representing a Scottish seat, then you'll see a real constitutional crisis as well.
Tony Blair did an amazingly good of suspending British "politics as usual" for as long as he did, but things are now getting much more interesting.
Posted by: Dave J at November 09, 2005 09:53 PM (8XpMm)
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You do a disservice to Urquehart.
Posted by: Casca at November 09, 2005 09:57 PM (qBTBH)
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I know he is a big lefty, But for all the support Blair gave us, I would love to shake his hand and buy him a beer. I would probably spit on all the other euro trash leaders. (Was that too harsh?)
Posted by: Kyle N at November 10, 2005 03:36 AM (KbpfA)
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I am thrilled that there are other FU fans out there!
Posted by: OS at November 10, 2005 06:46 AM (5d6Ic)
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You might think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
Posted by: Casca at November 10, 2005 07:36 PM (qBTBH)
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'Nothing lasts forever...'
Perhaps we will see Cherie morph into a Lady Macbeth/Elizabeth Urquhart and cull 'our Tone' before he is pushed. Here's hoping!
Posted by: Mikey at November 12, 2005 10:48 AM (lDj8F)
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Tony Blair a 'big leftie'?! What next - Margaret Thatcher 'very moderate'?
Perhaps we should get Ian Richardson to be the next PM. Imagine FU dealing with George W! That's one conversation I'd like to see...
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California Über Alles
Everything lost.
It's easy to blame the lying public employee unions, and to feel discouraged about the future of democracy. i do. But those feelings will pass, because i know the main reason Californians voted for the status quo yesterday.
Californians, like most of the country, are very pissed off at their government for various, often opposing, reasons. So when you have a bunch of propositions that are intended to improve things and change the status quo, but you introduce them into a climate of voter dissatisfaction, it's very hard to expect people to vote "yes" on anything. The "no" is their way of saying "we don't like things the way they are."
Remember, the recall election was itself a "no" vote.
Add to that, the legions of well-funded and motivated, goose-stepping union members who were certain to get out their own vote yesterday, and you see why the reform measures had no chance.
Oh, and San Francisco voted yesterday to invite gun-toting outlaws to visit the city, stay a while, and while they're there why not rape rob or kill a San Franciscan for added fun and profit.
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Okay now I'm confused. How is that not an infringement on SF citizens' constitutional (US) rights?
That really blows. I highly doubt that anyone who
shouldn't be in possession of a firearm will actually turn it in.
Posted by: Amy Bo Bamy at November 09, 2005 03:37 PM (Wz2Gp)
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Like the sun after the rain, a better day will come.
Posted by: Casca at November 09, 2005 06:35 PM (qBTBH)
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I always thought the jokes and insults about the Golden State were just that. I'm realizing that its citizens have tossed all logic, all reason, all common sense out of the window.
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November 08, 2005
Media Double Standard?
AP's report about today's Tennessee school shooting contains an unusual choice of quotes in the third paragraph, as printed in
this ABC News post.
The motive for the shooting at Campbell County High School, 30 miles from Knoxville, was not immediately known, Sheriff Ron McClellan told WVLT-TV.
'We don'a0644t [sic] know yet. I have the individual at the hospital,' McClellan said. 'These men are all fine Christian men, and I am at a loss for words.'
Now i don't have a problem with the quote
per se. Sure it's a dumb thing for the sheriff to say. Obviously one of those students was
not a fine Christian man.
But i find it interesting that AP seems to take special care to identify the religion of this particular murderer at the top of the story, when i usually have to read to the end of a typical AP story on terrorism to find out that kind of information -- if they disclose it at all.
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Same goes for people who get into automobile accidents.
If the person was driving a SUV, the headline is: "SUV kills three".
If the person was driving a Honda Civic, the headline is: "Man kills three".
MSM run in herds.
Posted by: Jake at November 08, 2005 05:56 PM (r/5D/)
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Californians Must Vote
If you are a Californian, you
must vote today. The special election is the difference between changing things or giving up. Don't
you give up. Vote for change. Unless of course, you
like things the way they are in CA.
The cool thing is, if you haven't studied the propositions, don't worry. Just vote like i did.
Proposition 73: YES.
Proposition 74: YES.
Proposition 75: YES.
Proposition 76: YES.
Proposition 77: YES.
Proposition 78: YES.
Proposition 79: NO.
Proposition 80: NO.
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Remember to tell your classmate who thinks you are betting the lottery that people who want to vote "No" on the Governor's props are supposed to vote tomorrow; only people voting "Yes" vote today.
Posted by: shelly at November 08, 2005 04:56 AM (6mUkl)
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Voted two weeks ago, straight Annika party line
Posted by: wayne at November 08, 2005 06:13 AM (xGZ+b)
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i think you should go ahead and turn yourself into the FEC, i know this had to violdate some internet election rules.
Posted by: cube at November 08, 2005 06:51 AM (nyNr0)
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May I have the honor of announcing, Annie, that I cancelled your vote perfectly? And you cancelled mine...
Posted by: Hugo at November 08, 2005 07:56 AM (qldcl)
Posted by: annika at November 08, 2005 08:01 AM (36JOf)
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Yes, Annie, even on 73. Here's my post on the subject.
Posted by: Hugo at November 08, 2005 08:10 AM (qldcl)
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After voting this morning I was excited to find that California actually gives you "I voted" stickers. Illinois (or at least Chicago) didn't while I lived there the past three years.
I voted for all of Schwarzenegger's big four proposals -- they all looked reasonable to me and I had a hard time figuring out what's so wrong about them (to watch the local commercials, you'd think he's trying to end the practice of paying public school teachers or something). I could not for the life of me figure out what 80 was talking about (might restrict customers' ability to switch from private electricity companies?? Huh?) so I voted against it.
The other day Arnold himself left a message on my answering machine. I felt pretty special for a couple minutes until I realized it was just a recording.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at November 08, 2005 09:51 AM (XUsiG)
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No, that was him. it sounded like a recording because he is actually a robot. A robot sent from the future in order to kill Sarah Connor.
Posted by: annika at November 08, 2005 09:57 AM (zAOEU)
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My only disagreement with you is that I voted against both 78 *and* 79 this morning. Personally, I think this issue can best be addressed at the Federal level; if the FDA supports the purchase of prescriptions from countries with reliable drug testing policies, then (surprise!) US prescription prices will come down.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at November 08, 2005 12:41 PM (bGyIu)
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Regarding Prop 73 and Hugo's post: I'm not buying the abortioin lobby's BS on this. Minors should not be able to get surgery that can potentially kill them and that may leave them psychologically scared without the consent of their parents. Period. And, Hugo, reading your post and how a baby might have inconvenienced you and your girlfriend was nothing less than sickening. Hmmm, this baby might put my college off a whole year. Well...fuck that, let's kill the thing. You claim to be Christian, right? Any other types of murder you go along with so as not to inconvenience anybody? And don't give me any crap about long, guilty walks on the beach. Murder is murder no matter how you want to dress it up and make it look all fucking heroic.
We don't allow minors to smoke, drink, vote, or any number of activities because we realize that they have not matured sufficiently to make these decisions for themselves. That is why they are called children and have adult parents to help guide and direct them. There are many kids out there with very good relationships with their parents that will, nevertheless, still attempt to consume alcohol or use drugs. So, the argument about "having a good relationship with the minors parents" is crap. Kids make stupid, impulsive choices all the time regardless of the relationship that they have with their parents. And in our society, children don't just get to do whatever they feel like. Until they are adults, parents have the right and duty to help make all decisions involving their children. Unfortunately, though, Hugo and millions of other Californians believe we ought to allow children to make life and death decisions regarding the life of unborn children.
Children are not adults and the Government is not a parent. I consider a no vote on 73 to be immoral.
Posted by: Blu at November 08, 2005 02:01 PM (j8oa6)
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Annie,
I am confused on 73. Perhaps you can give me some insight on how to vote on that proposition. I am trying to gather as much info as I can from both the left and the right. I have troubled feelings about that one.
thanks!
D
Posted by: D at November 08, 2005 02:15 PM (bFKPB)
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Annie,
I am confused on 73. Perhaps you can give me some insight on how to vote on that proposition. I usually disagre with what you have to say but sometimes you can be convincing! I am trying to gather as much info as I can from both the left and the right. I have troubled feelings about that one.
thanks!
D
Posted by: D at November 08, 2005 02:18 PM (bFKPB)
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Blu, I've spent twenty years dealing with the aftermath of that decision. No one -- no one -- chooses abortion lightly. As I implied in my post, I pushed for a different choice. But once my girlfriend had made that choice, I supported her unconditionally. I take full responsibility for it.
In an ideal world, teen girls would not get pregnant. In an ideal world, when they did, they would be able to approach mom and dad for guidance. But we aren't in that world, and with reluctance and ambivalence, I voted No on 73.
But I predict it will pass by a fairly comfortable margin, so you shall have your victory soon enough.
Peace.
Posted by: Hugo at November 08, 2005 02:29 PM (qldcl)
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I hope you are right, Hugo, but I suspect you are not. I'm pretty certain that the polls showed it being defeated. Maybe, though, I missed something.
Yes, it would be ideal if every child wanted to seek out the wisdom and guidance of his or her parents. However, that is not likley. Again, they are children. Children routinely make bad choices and mistakes. Often when they make mistakes, they don't want to face mom or dad. But what a child wants is not really relevant. What is relevant is what is best for the child and for society generally. I believe it is better for children and society, generally, if parents are informed about their children's activities and participate in the choices that their children make. Indeed, sometimes it may be necessary for the parent to make a decision for a child.
Just because the world is not a perfect place such that children do not always seek out parental guidance and wisdom, it does not follow that we as a society should not try to do what is best no matter that we can not achieve anything near perfection. Parents ought to have the right to directly influence the lives and decision-making of their children.
Posted by: Blu at November 08, 2005 02:55 PM (j8oa6)
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It is obscene and evil to destroy the innocent creation of God.
I have followed your instructions Mistress Annika.
Posted by: Casca at November 08, 2005 03:29 PM (qBTBH)
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Looks like all the propositions are going down. Shame about 75. Good riddance to 80.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 09, 2005 05:33 AM (QriEg)
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Four of the five Ohio propositions - the Soros-backed "Reform Ohio Now" ones - also failed, and by huge margins.
In Australia, almost all propositions brought to referendum are rejected. Or if the government tries to get sneaky and changes the wording around, approved in favour of not doing what the government wanted.
How much of a factor that is in the States I'm not sure.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 09, 2005 05:54 AM (QriEg)
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"No one -- no one -- chooses abortion lightly."
Not true. Some women have multiple abortions in a life time. Most don't choose abortion lightly, but some do. And you might as well not start bad hapbits early as far as I an concerned.
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November 07, 2005
French Riots
It amazes me that after eleven days of rioting, the French have
not yet called out the military or instituted a curfew. Isn't that riot control 101? i mean at some point, you gotta do
something, don't you. What are they doing over there? Sheesh, Mike Brown could have done a better job than Chirac and Villepin are doing.
Update: i have two more semi-facetious observations. First, it's a measure of how much things have changed in Europe, that the German government is actually advising their citizens to "be careful" about traveling to France. Come on guys. Now is the perfect time to strike! Whatever happened to "Let the last man on the right brush the channel with his sleeve?"
Second, a lot of people are saying it's poverty that's causing these riots. So maybe France isn't socialist enough. Taking that line of thought to its logical conclusion, i'd have to agree. If France were a full blown Communist dictatorship, you can bet these riots would have stopped soon after the first rock was thrown. Just ask any Czech or Hungarian of a certain age.
Update 2: Read Sarah's personal experiences living in one of the Parisian "suburbs."
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The French never take a direct action about anything in life, they just muddle through. However, their failure to do the obvious is pushing muddling to the extreme.
Now you know what happens when the left is in charge of anti-terrorism efforts. To think Gore might have been elected president.
Posted by: Jake at November 07, 2005 08:01 AM (r/5D/)
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Paris can burn. I couldn't give one solitary shit. Can't stand those pompous French fucks.
If the government called out the military or instituted a curfew, it would mean they were not being tolerant of those poor rioters. And as some of our more Left-leaning contributors to this blog like to point out, tolerance is the most important virtue.
Posted by: Blu at November 07, 2005 09:27 AM (j8oa6)
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The British are feeling the pinch in relation to recent riots in France and have raised their security level from "Miffed" to "Peeved'.
Soon though, security levels may be raised yet again to "Irritated" or even "A Bit Cross".
Londoners have not been "A Bit Cross" since the blitz in 1940 when tea supplies all but ran out.
Terrorists have been re-categorised from "Tiresome" to a "Bloody Nuisance". The last time the British issued a "Bloody Nuisance" warning level was during the great fire of 1666.
Also, the French government announced yesterday that it has raised its terror alert level from "Run" to "Hide". The only two higher levels in France are "Surrender" and "Collaborate". The rise was precipitated by a recent fire that destroyed France's white flag factory, effectively paralysing the country's military capability.
It's not only the Britlish and French that are on a heightened level of alert. Italy has increased the alert level from "shout loudly and excitedly" to "elaborate military posturing". Two more levels remain, "ineffective combat operations" and "change sides".
The Germans also increased their alert state from "disdainful arrogance" to "dress in uniform and sing marching songs". They have two higher levels: "invade a neighbour" and "lose".
Posted by: Yevgeni Stepanov at November 07, 2005 09:56 AM (vMSk+)
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Chirac's all over it. He has called a security meeting!
Posted by: Dawn Summers at November 07, 2005 11:51 AM (SOf9N)
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The French riots are incredibly interesting: How organized are they? And how will they be resolved?
Could riots like this - organized to some unknown extent, and aided by cellphones/internet - occur in the U.S.(see Watts-1965; L.A. 1992ish)?
I think the answer revolves around
1) how well the U.S. inculcates the idea of free will in its citizens,
2) how well the U.S. economy generates opportunity for its citizens
3) whether or not the Second Amendment remains in force
4) the perceived stability and power of the state.
The U.S. has seen brief riots be extended by criminals in pursuit of looting opportunity; but you have to go back to the Civil War, or maybe the Watts riot, to see a violent, extended riot in pursuit of economic opportunity and power.
Assuming Watts was about economic opportunity, social conditions have changed, and we won't see its equal in the future. There's too much economic opportunity in this country, and there's too many people, in every community, who can see it. Another economic opportunity riot will not happen.
Its possible we could (pace Canada and Europe) slowly allow our laws to become Sharia-friendlier, and then be rioted by people who do not believe in their own free will to resist our infidel-dominated societal influences. This is happening to us internationally. In an effort to stave off such a thing domestically, I vigorously support conservative ideology. In this, failure is not an option, and WE SHALL PREVAIL. So I'm saying this type riot, also, will not happen in the U.S. as I know it.
However, lets pretend a French type riot did try to break out in the U.S: Could and would it spread? The answer is no. And the reason is the Second Amendment. When the Brady Bill people begin bowling for Columbine, remind them of the Paris riots. In America, the Second Amendment and the cussedly independent spirit of American citizens would stop such a riot dead in its tracks.
Finally, if we pretend such a riot could even happen in America, and we pretend gun control had castrated the opportunity for individual citizens to stop it, then: Could/would the American government be able to stop the riot? If President Bush or President Giuliani were in office: hell yes. If President Carter were in office: hell no. If a President Clinton were in office: hell maybe. Who knows?
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Does the learned Annika actually believe that France is capable of clamping down on anything? Surely you jest! That would require the French to label certain behavior "right" and "wrong" or "indesirable."
And France is much too enlightened for such mean spirited "cowboy" rhetoric! *sigh*
Posted by: Orion Testaclese at November 07, 2005 01:51 PM (Vg0tt)
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One reason why the Army has not been called up is that over 20% of the army is Muslim. Are they worried about a mutiny in the ranks?
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Speaking of muslims, has anybody in the MSM had the balls to call the rioters what they are? Or are they still trying to get away with calling the rioters "Africans." How fucking gutless and lame is the MSM.
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Speaking of muslims, has anybody in the MSM had the balls to call the rioters what they are? Or are they still trying to get away with calling the rioters "Africans." How fucking gutless and lame is the MSM?
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Posted by: Jake at November 07, 2005 02:33 PM (r/5D/)
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The French have lost the will to survive as a nation. You read in history books about the destruction of nations and civilizations but you don't expect to actually live through it. Mark my words, France, Spain, and the Low countries will all be Islamic republics, or war torn battlefields like Yougoslavia, within twenty years.
Wish I was wrong.
Posted by: Kyle N at November 07, 2005 04:25 PM (DDcxw)
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Yevgeny, you remind me of the old joke, What is Heaven and what is Hell.
Heaven is a place where all of the chefs are French, all of the police are British, all of the mechainics are German, all of the lovers are Italian, and everything is run by the Swiss.
Hell is a place where all of the chefs are British, all of the police are German, all of the mechainics are French, all of the lovers are Swiss, and everything is run by the Italians.
Posted by: Kyle N at November 07, 2005 04:29 PM (DDcxw)
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As we swirl down the vortex of the end of Western Civilization, at least it's interesting.
Posted by: Casca at November 07, 2005 05:52 PM (qBTBH)
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1300 Cars Burned Last Night
Time to buy
Renault stock.
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Danish Ramadan Rioters
You've heard of the suburban Paris rioters. Now meet the Danish rioters.
The police has to stay away. This is our area. We decide what goes down here
and
We are tired of what we see happening with our prophet. We are tired of [Danish newspaper] Jyllands-Posten.
Transterrestrial Musings has the story.
via Instapundit.
Update: Here's what's prompted the violence. A couple of cartoons.* Funny, i don't seem to remember Evangelicals rioting in this country after Flynt spoofed Falwell some years ago. But whatever.
* link updated.
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Giuliani said Moslem terrorism has existed in Europe for the last thirty years and the European's did nothing about it. This allowed the Muslim terrorism movement to grow and flourish in the Middle East with people and funds supplied by European terrorists.
Europe has to confront their Muslim terrorist problem; otherwise there will be no Europe worth saving.
Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2005 11:35 AM (r/5D/)
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Oh, it's not the Euros who'll confront the Muslims, rather the other way round. Foolish human nature always mistakes tolerance for weakness. Even the French can exhibit savagery, once they've warmed to the task.
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2005 02:00 PM (qBTBH)
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I hope countries like France drown in the flood of Islamic immigrants they let into their borders without regard to the groups' beliefs or desire to assimilate to Western values. I think that it is ironic and hilarious that the same cultural relativism that leads to wide open borders also leads to a complete inability to respond when these groups react in the manner described in the post. How any country could possible allow mass immigration from Islamic countries is beyond me. Islamic culture has barely evolved over the past thousand years. These people, generally, could not care less about Western values or traditions. Europe (and America) allows Islamic immigration at its own peril. But, of course, no leading Western politician seems to have the courage to "just say no."
I'm also sick of Muslims whining when folks dare criticize their beliefs or mention the fact that nearly all terroists acts committed are by Muslims in the name of Allah. Seriously, fuck 'em. I'm so over their excuses and the "whoa is me...I'm such a victim attitude."
On a lighter note, Princess Mary, whose picture pops up on the side of the web-page discussing the cartoons, is pretty hot. She kinda looks like Jennifer Aniston. Yummy....
Posted by: Blu at November 03, 2005 02:03 PM (QjCK5)
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The problem with leaders "just saying no" to Muslim immigrants is that it violates Western principles of democracy and tolerance. If you want to criticize those principles, fine, but then you have to replace them with something else. What do you replace it with? Fundamentalist Christian principles? Orthodox Jewish principles? Atheistic humanist principles? Wiccan principles?
Or do we just take the unprincipled route and say, we tolerate everyone but you? And if today it's Muslim extremists, tomorrow is it people of Middle Eastern descent as a whole?
It's almost kind of an impossible problem. If you take a Just War Theory type of approach, there's no solution because there's no sovereign nation to retaliate against when terrorists act out against the government (and thus no principled reason to ban a particular country's immigrants). I don't know what the answer is but I think closing our borders cheapens the value of Western society -- which is precisely what they want to achieve.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at November 03, 2005 02:57 PM (XUsiG)
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Once upon a time, way back when Shelly was an undergrad, there used to be required coursework titled, "Western Civilization". It was a euphemism for the why and wherefore of our Judeo-Christian culture, and had replaced the original faith based underpinnings of most Universitys that predate the 20th Century. Western Civ was replaced with the modern relativism exhibited by Law Fairy's remarks above. Back when we were permitted to be men we understood that tolerance has limits, and importing a passel of sodomites who intend to hold to their satanic faith is probably beyond them. Like the man said in the song, "Do what you like, but don't do it here".
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2005 03:41 PM (qBTBH)
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Law Fairy
Europe must do what they do ((or did) in Austria.
Every foreigner working in Austria must attend night school for classes in German and Austrian history and culture.
They are kicked out of the country if they donÂ’t show progress in those courses or flunk the final exam.
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With all due respect, I would argue that the West's most important principles are the rule of law and the right to private property. To me, those are the bedrocks upon which Western civilization rests. Democracy and tolerance are only by-products. (Tolerance, by the way, must be very carefully defined. Our tradition doesn't simply embrace tolerance of everything no matter how vile.) Frankly, I would think that any person with even a modest knowledge of Western political history would understand this. Comments like those above by The Law Fairy only go to show how badly Western people understand their own history. How fucking depressing.....
Posted by: Blu at November 03, 2005 04:16 PM (QjCK5)
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Yes, law Fairy, you very much misunderstand what western values are all about. We have NO compulsion upon us to be tolerant of the intolerant. Civil society is a two way street.
Furthermore, any nation at any time has the right to close the door to those who are detroying their culture. (or even for economic reasons,) states have every right and indeed a responsibility to enforce their borders.
Posted by: Kyle N at November 03, 2005 04:54 PM (vt0fT)
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Blu -- It's not a misunderstanding of history -- and believe me, I have had my share of right-leaning history lessons to understand many of the differing views on our civilization's origins. And regardless of history, the fact is that TODAY we live in a society that leans pluralistic. The "rule of law" has a nice ring to it, but of itself it doesn't carry much more than perhaps a hint of positivism. What should those rules be? I suppose we could go the fascist route, which would be very orderly, but I'm sure you agree with me that this is not the best course of action. And if you want to talk about private property and history, we first need to go way back to when we stole the land from those who were here before us. Call me ignorant or uneducated all you want, but (assuming you're not a loathed relativist) there's a word for taking a position that a moral rule applies to all future actions, but not to past actions one has already taken (applying the moral rule would include accepting the consequences of that rule's application): hypocrisy. (To preemptively counter the obvious ex post facto rule allusion that suggests itself, note I'm speaking to moral, rather than legal, rules).
Jake -- I'm not familiar with that rule, or when it was implemented. Has it or did it make Austria a better country?
Casca -- I've never been permitted to be a man. People make fun of me when I wear my artificial penis under my skirt. So I guess I've never understood that tolerance doesn't apply to, um, all the imported Satanist sodomists who are apparently making the country... less manly?
Posted by: The Law Fairy at November 03, 2005 04:55 PM (XUsiG)
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Alas LF, the first time you write your name in the snow, the scales fall away and all is revealed. Nice legalistic twist of my words unless you're incapable of identifying the object of my euphemism. As for hypocrisy, if it's hypocisy to seek after perfection when it is unachieveable in this imperfect world, then so be it. YOU have chosen the most hypocritical profession of them all.
Now get thee to a nunnery!
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2005 05:11 PM (qBTBH)
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Poor Law Fairy,
I will make this simple. Islam is evil. It is not a religion at all. Do not compare it to Christianity, the Jewish Faith, or even Wiccan principles. It is a political movement complete with a set of indecent laws and the expressed goal of taking over the entire world. It is more closely compared to Nazism and Communism. It requires it's adherents to go forth into the world and conquer territory through both what Christians call evangelizing and through what everyone calls military invasion. Once Islam takes control of a territory, it gives the infidels (non-muslims) three choices: conversion to islam, submission into slavery (you will pay a special infidel tax and must submit to the whim of every muslim), or death. While every American is free to become a nazi or communist, we did not allow the importation of large numbers of nazi's or communists during all the years we were at war with these political ideology's. Even though the President can't and won't say it, we are at war with Islam because Islam declared war on us. Islam doesn't have any tolerance. It actually recquires intolerance. I am a Christian. Islam cannot tolerate me. Islam does not tolerate Jews and Islam certainly does not tolerate Wiccans. Western tolerance does not tolerate totalitarians , it does not tolerate murder and it does not tolerate repression. Yes, the lefties will scream and harp about the slavery, the lynchings, the KKK, and the right will point out union thuggery, communist marches, and the loss of individual rights by activists judges swinging hammers and taking our homes. But know this, America fought a war and ended slavery in its own borders, the FBI brought the law crashing down on the KKK, blacks armed themselves against lynchers, a woman member of the NAACP brought down the practice of racially organized seating, the legislatures are anulling Kelo, union thuggery is a sign that they are losing members and are in fact at an all time low.
So sit back and relax and wring your hands and no not what to do. When Islam rears its ugly head, real Americans will stand up and know exactly what to do. We always have and we always will. The cycle of good and evil will rage back and forth and good will always win in the end.
Posted by: Houston's Problem at November 03, 2005 05:39 PM (LzjT8)
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2005 05:55 PM (qBTBH)
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Just to further some of Houston's point on jihad, I
wrote this, it cites some of an interview with the author of new book studying Islam and the concept of jihad. I wouldn't mind a couple visitors clicking through,

, but the relevant quote from the book for those who can't be bothered to click through:
It is the consensus view of orthodox Islamic jurisprudence regarding jihad, since its formulation during the 8th and 9th centuries, through the current era, that non-Muslims peacefully going about their lives — from the Khaybar farmers whom Muhammad ordered attacked in 628, to those sitting in the World Trade Center on 9/11/01 — are muba’a in the Dar ul Harb. And these innocent non-combatants can be killed, and have always been killed, with impunity simply by virtue of being “harbis” during endless razzias or full scale jihad campaigns that have occurred continuously since the time of Muhammad, through the present. This is the crux of the institutionalized ideology that we are fighting, i.e., jihad
Posted by: Scof at November 03, 2005 06:20 PM (Gnqv5)
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Law Fairy;
The Eurotrash has probably outlawed the requirement in Austria by now.
But while the law was in operation:
1. The immigrants to the country had jobs and lead productive lives. They became a part of the Austrian fabric of life rather than be walled up in a enclave as they are in France.
2. They did not go on welfare and take up a life of crime and violence.
3. They have not rioted.
Posted by: Jake at November 03, 2005 07:45 PM (r/5D/)
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I feel like I'm being ganged-up on...
casca, unfortunately the nunnery kicked me out when I expressed an interest in the World's Oldest Profession (the one that you can report on your tax return, to be clear). I would call my "twisting" of your words more literal than legalistic. To be precise, that is

Houston, I honestly sincerely wish that things were still that black and white for me. They used to be but they're just not anymore. How can you know that Islam *itself* is evil, rather than simply its abuses? There are numerous different translations of the Koran and I'm skeptical of *any* non-native speaker who purports to know the "real" meaning. Christianity (my religion for my whole life) has fallen to such abuses, and I've no reason to believe Islam couldn't have been bastardized the same way. There are a lot of problems with saying, for instance, no more Muslim immigrants. How do you weed out the good from the bad? And, yes, there are good ones; I attended law school with and befriended some very decent Muslim students. I would gladly travel with them and not fear that they would blow the plane to smithereens.
I'm not able to bring myself to a place where I think it's okay for the US to say to people, we won't let you in because of your religion, or your political ideology. I think it goes against everything the First Amendment stands for (disregarding the legal technicalities of whom it's meant to protect -- in my mind it embodies ideals we should all aspire to observe). We can sacrifice freedom for safety -- but in the end wind up with neither. That's why I say, don't close our borders.
Jake, it sounds like an interesting proposal. I'm not opposed to trying a bit harder to instill patriotic virtues in citizens and new immigrants alike. I think America does get a bad rap outside and inside, and it doesn't help when we do things like outlaw the Pledge of Alleigiance (ha! Bet you all thought I was liberal

) and let media elites play fast and loose with the truth under principles of "journalistic freedom."
Posted by: The Law Fairy at November 03, 2005 08:17 PM (bzLvk)
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Back to the cartoon...
I know how easy it is to get all excited about a cartoon.
I agree Princess Mary is pretty hot.
Maybe the French could trick the Jihadists into having a Burning Man festival in the French suburbs and then just let the whole place burn to the ground.
Anyone left would have to go back to where they came from.
Posted by: d-rod at November 03, 2005 08:41 PM (Lmjjd)
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LF, you've just spent two decades having bullshit poured into your brain. If you are intellectually curious, and you seem to be, somewhere in the next five to ten years you may trip over the reason why
"East is East, and West is West,
and neither the tween shall meet".
I loved your comment about being willing to fly with your moslim acquaintances, lol, something very much like that was said about the bus bombers in London.
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2005 10:14 PM (qBTBH)
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Houston, I honestly sincerely wish that things were still that black and white for me. They used to be but they're just not anymore.
That's because you went to law school. I went to engineering school. I learned about the beauty and logic of the laws of nature and you learned about the deceit and vile pettiness of the laws of man. You were suppossed to learn from the other lawyers, not listen to them. Everything you really need to know (socially), you learned in Kinder Garten. That stuff they taught you in law school is all lies. How can I be so sure? I was an evacuee during the Great Hurricane Rita exodous. It took 15 hours of being stuck in a car to break through my inborn desire to follow the useless folly of man's laws. Over the next 15 hours still stuck in that car I became an outlaw or rather I finally recognized that I am now and always have been an outlaw. I determined that I no longer needed a government to tell me how to act. I determined that in a society with thousands, perhaps millions of pages of law, I could not possibly be anything but an outlaw. I quickly did away with the laws that I found unnecessary and useless. I am the law. But you need not fear me or others like me. We and I are the law because we and I are guided by 10 simple commandments. These boil down to One Golden Rule.
The golden rule is the measure which places the line between good and evil. Your indoctrination by the other lawyers attempted to blur this line, to create controversy, because lawyers live in the fringes of the grey areas. The grey allows lawyers to make money. Engineers only succeed when the project succeeds. The bridge stands or the bridge falls. If the dam fails, the engineer isn't hired to build another.
How can you know that Islam *itself* is evil, rather than simply its abuses?
Look to the Golden Rule. The Koran itself cannot stand the test of the Golden Rule. The Golden rule does not allow evangilization through murder or enslavement. It does not call for the execution of those that change their faith or deny it. God does not need the death penalty to keep the faithful. The Sharia mandates death for those that would convert from Islam to Christianity or Judaism or any other faith. Somebody will surely scream "Spanish Inquisition" at this statement. The Bible did not call for the Inquistion and neither did Jesus. The Inquisition created itself and followed it own ways.
There are numerous different translations of the Koran and I'm skeptical of *any* non-native speaker who purports to know the "real" meaning.
Unlike the Bible, that was written in very ancient times and was translated into Greek and translated into into English, the Koran was written in fairly modern times in the 6th or 7th century (I forget which). It was written then in the same language then as today, Arabic. And don't worry yourself about me trying to translate it for myself. I wanted to find out more about the religion of peace so I went to the web sites of muslims and found one in particular that said what the Koran said and backed it up with line item references to the Koran. Yes, there may be different opinions about many of the verses in the Koran. But many are quite clear and that usually isn't good. I find the Bible often confusing and sometime difficult to understand. The basic message gets through. The basic message of the Koran demands a lot of violence and a lot of utter nonsense.
Christianity (my religion for my whole life) has fallen to such abuses, and I've no reason to believe Islam couldn't have been bastardized the same way.
Good point.
There are a lot of problems with saying, for instance, no more Muslim immigrants.
Indeed there are.
How do you weed out the good from the bad? And, yes, there are good ones; I attended law school with and befriended some very decent Muslim students. I would gladly travel with them and not fear that they would blow the plane to smithereens.
I too have had Muslim friends. The ones that are really your friend and are really good simply aren't really muslims. They may consider themselves muslims but Islam does not consider them muslims. That is why terrorists kill more muslims than infidels. They kill them because they do not follow the Koran and they do not follow the Sharia. Islam means slavery. I read on the muslim site that a muslim cannot have a friend that is Christian. It is hareem. The imam or imam's backed this up with quotes from the Koran. I also read that a Muslim may not even greet a Christian first, but if a Christian greet's a Muslim first, then the Muslim should fall over himself to return a bigger greeting. Somehow, I don't think a simple greeting should be turned into a superiority war. I can't square that with the Golden Rule. That's just a little to sneaky and coniving for me. What I learned from the imam is that the Koran is full of superiority. It divides people into little groups. It labels most of these groups as bad. I can't square racism with the Golden Rule either. If kill the Jews isn't racism, then I don't know what is.
The world of Islam is in a world of hurt. Our world isn't perfect either of course, but the difference is the more our world follows the Golden Rule the better it gets. Following the myriad rules of the Koran will make the world dizzy and violent. At best it will just make the world a little more schitzo; The Koran does not allow musical instruments and the Koran must not be played on tapes in a car that has the speaker down by the feet, lest it be insulted. I am sure someone will say that imam doesn't know what he is talking about, listen to my imam. Sorry, but there are far too many imams that never seem to get it right. There may be disagreement between Christian ministers and Priests but, I never had any of them go total wacko.
The example of Europe is that it is now time to weed out the good from the bad. It is time to find out who is a real friend or not. Ask these friends why did the islamic prophet marry a six year old girl. Ask them why most islamic nations are headed by a dictator. Ask them why it is wrong to invest in a 401(k). Ask them if they believe that Jews were flying the 9/11 airplanes. Ask them if they want to replace the Constitution with the Sharia.
I'm not able to bring myself to a place where I think it's okay for the US to say to people, we won't let you in because of your religion, or your political ideology. I think it goes against everything the First Amendment stands for (disregarding the legal technicalities of whom it's meant to protect -- in my mind it embodies ideals we should all aspire to observe). We can sacrifice freedom for safety -- but in the end wind up with neither. That's why I say, don't close our borders.
I am at the point that I want answers. I demand to know if my neighbors want me dead, enslaved or forced into conversion. I know that my country will be better off without such people. If we have one more attack on our soil, I will be past the point of worrying about limiting first amendment rights to those that would burn the entire Constitution and replace it with the Sharia. Blood can change a nation mighty fast. Ugly things can happen very quickly and we may be suprised at who gets ugly first or ugliest. Sometimes great obscenities have to happen to win in a war. Dropping the atomic bombs on Japan was an ugliness for sure. But it was a far smaller ugliness than allowing Japan to continue to survive as even a remant of an evil empire or to loose the number of Americans that we would have lost without it. The death toll of Americans in taking the last few islands before the bomb lost was horrible in a war of the greatess horrors seen.
We are at war on all fronts. We are at war with Islam on all fronts. Our ways, our laws, our culture, most of it not all of it, is fundamentally better and will prevail. Muslims will come here and some will come and see the bad parts and develop an even deeper hatred for us and try to kill us. Some will see the good parts and question slavery to the Koran. Those that come and remain faithful to the slavery of the Koran, I am most suspicious of all. If you can't handle freedom, you don't have a moral center of your own, and I definetly don't trust those who lack even a fundemental grasp of self regulation through the Golden Rule. The wars of today are one mighty race. The race is whether the speed of freedom is faster than the speed of oppression. In America, the race is between the speed of individuals trying to preserve the freedoms that they have versus the speed of groups who want to take that freedoms guaranteed in the consitution away through grey law hammer swinging. In China ,the race that will determine the outcome will be whether capitalists will desire freedom faster than the communists can build a super power for war. In the middle east, the race is whether the desire to be free can spread faster than terrorists can plant explosives.
I feel like I'm being ganged-up on...
This is a good thing. It means that we do not believe you are a waste of time. It means that we believe you can be saved from a life of wasted indescision and unclarity in a time where clarity is the key to winning. Your motives are fundamentally good; I feel from your expressed thoughts that you as a person motivated by good are not able to fully understand those that would fundamentally destroy your freedom, your world and your life.
I often feel this about people at church. I don't think they are capable of understanding evil. Then I wonder if the reason I understand evil and expect evil is because I am somehow not as good as they are. Sometimes I wonder what would happen If I was raised in a household with no God. Would I become fundementally evil? Would I be arrogant and require others to follow my laws? Or would the libertarian prevail? No I'm not evil. I'm human to be sure. I struggle. I do my best. I seek clarity. I can't do it alone for it requires constant reexamination. Thank God for Jesus. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The concience that seperates good from evil. The conscience that tells you when your rights stop and others rights begin. The conscience that tells you when you are right to defend yourself and when you have gone beyond defense.
Posted by: Houston's Problem at November 03, 2005 10:45 PM (LzjT8)
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Actually, Casca, my education was more conservative than probably 95% of Americans'. All the things I've been saying in my comments are my own opinions, formed free of any indoctrination or whatnot. The last five years for me have been quite enlightening, and being the open-minded and intellectually curious person I am, I've been able to see beyond the rhetoric of either side of any debate and understand why *everybody's* wrong

As for London bombers &c, there's no way you could possibly know whether my friends are terrorists. You've never even met them. So the comparison seems to me inapt at best. Further, if as a people we can't trust those we're close to not to kill us for a "greater good" then we have much bigger problems to worry about than a few suicide bombers.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at November 03, 2005 10:46 PM (bzLvk)
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Houston, I suppose it's a sort of compliment that you think I'm a fundamentally good person, so thank you. I have to disagree with you, though, even on that point

My reading of the Bible is that we're all fundamentally bad and we ALL have to be saved from our sin -- hence the importance of Jesus. I don't believe that any of us IS the law, though I do believe God gave each of us a conscience. I also think, and it sounds like you might agree with me, that the Ten Commandments, while important, are basically just exemplaries. Jesus said it came down to two basic things: love God and love your neighbor. To me, loving our neighbors means loving the good neighbors and the bad neighbors. It even means loving the neighbors who secretly harbor plots to kill us. Jesus never turned anyone away, even the most reviled members of society. If Jesus, being perfect, didn't feel the need to cast them out, then certainly we don't have the right to cast them out. Separating the good from the bad -- the wheat from the chaff, if you will -- is God's job, not ours. I divine from the Bible no imperative or moral authority to take such a task upon ourselves.
And as to the black and white issue, I think that when you're given a set of rules within which you can reliably expect certain results (as in your chosen field of engineering), it absolutely makes sense to view things in black and white terms -- leaving open, of course, the possibility that the premises on which you base your expectations may prove false. The human world isn't as rational or predictable as a lab. People don't always act in predictable or rational ways. It says a LOT to say that you can understand what a complete stranger thinks, or who he IS, based on virtually no knowledge about him. That's something not even our most brilliant social scientists have yet been able to do. Making assumptions about people also runs the risk of stereotyping and discrimination. You're free to disagree with me, but I find such things morally repugnant.
And I appreciate your concern, but please don't mistake my politeness/civil tone for a weak argument. I don't often toot my own horn, but I'm highly intelligent, extremely well-educated, and I've thought long and hard about everything I bother arguing about. The fact that I'm a woman, or that I'm young, or whatever, doesn't mean I need to be "taught" any more than anyone else. Which isn't to say, of course, that we couldn't *all* use a little teaching now and again
Posted by: The Law Fairy at November 03, 2005 11:02 PM (bzLvk)
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Wow, what a commment thread.
Regarding those Austrian rules for citizenship, Denmark has recently tightened up its immigration laws similarly.
Regarding Jesus, i think it's interesting that while He sometimes spoke with Samaritans and used them as examples in his parables, Jesus never challenged the orthodoxy that kept Samaritans separate from the mainstream Jews of the time. In my view, it's not so easy to take what Jesus taught us about how to conduct our personal lives, and extend it so that these rules become God's directions to nation-states. i'm not sure that's a correct reading of the New Testament.
Law Fairy, i put you on my blogroll, thanks for visiting.
Posted by: annika at November 04, 2005 07:57 AM (Dztge)
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Heh, I'd like to go on record that I LIKE the Law Fairy, probably because she doesn't have a dick. It would be hard for me to be pals with a guy who self-applied a sobriquet like that.
And therein lies the argument. Men and women are wired differently. Men are linear. The most linear of women still have an emotional thought override that kicks in at the most surprising times. Most women are full-auto emotionalism all the time. This all connects to the nurturing aspect of women. Men in general, no matter what the women's studies types told you, are useless as caregivers, and as exceptional as some women are as drivers, it isn't sexism that's kept women out of the NASCAR winner's circle.
Men excel at the tasks of guarding hearth and home, and as a rule have the steel to inflict physical pain and destruction as necessary. Women will just ruin your life, by telling everyone that you're a brute.
"The human world isn't as rational or predictable as a lab. People don't always act in predictable or rational ways. It says a LOT to say that you can understand what a complete stranger thinks, or who he IS, based on virtually no knowledge about him. That's something not even our most brilliant social scientists have yet been able to do. Making assumptions about people also runs the risk of stereotyping and discrimination. You're free to disagree with me, but I find such things morally repugnant."
Relativism is morally repugnant. Being able to take the measure of people is one of the few advantages of age. Over time, one sees all the tricks. Thus comes wisdom. People tend to be stereotypical, and we're all discriminated against outside of our own groups. The delight of humanity is that occasionally one meets someone who DOESN'T fit the stereotype.
Posted by: Casca at November 04, 2005 08:52 AM (qBTBH)
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LF - "I would call my "twisting" of your words more literal than legalistic. To be precise, that is

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Being selectively precise in argument is rhetorical trickeration of the kind most often practised by your gender.
Posted by: Casca at November 04, 2005 08:59 AM (qBTBH)
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Law Fairy:
You seem to be a thoughtful person and I hope you return.
To understand the problem in Europe, you should read this article by Theodore Dalrymple "The Suicide Bombers Among Us"
http://www.city-journal.org/html/15_4_suicide_bombers.html
Posted by: Jake at November 04, 2005 09:28 AM (r/5D/)
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You're missing the flaming comments. I shall provide:
KILL 'EM ALL!!! LET ALLAH SORT 'EM OUT!!!
I now return you to your previous discussion.
Posted by: Victor at November 04, 2005 10:04 AM (L3qPK)
Posted by: d-rod at November 04, 2005 10:28 AM (ooYm7)
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I had the William Tecumseh Sherman quote in my comments, but didn't want to scare the fairy away. More accurately, "Kill them all. The Lord knows his own".
Posted by: Casca at November 04, 2005 03:47 PM (qBTBH)
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Casca, I know the original quote. I was making a joke--see? Allah, all caps, cute little framing lines?
You are such a buzzkill.
Posted by: Victor at November 04, 2005 08:31 PM (l+W8Z)
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This from a guy who jams rats up his ass.
Posted by: Casca at November 05, 2005 09:19 AM (qBTBH)
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LF, I don't give two hoots for "Western principles of democracy and tolerance." It is my country, not theirs. Immigration is not a right. Come and abide by my laws or stay away.
I've nothing against immigrants - my wife is one - but nobody has the right to come here and violate our laws. You really need to think about that part of the Declaration of Independence about governments "deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."
I'm not able to agree with Houston. This government exists to ensure our safety - if that means that Muslims cannot immigrate, so be it.
Posted by: MarkD at November 05, 2005 02:13 PM (X9njN)
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No, Casca, I treat my rats with the same respect I treat my dog...and your dogs, if you have any. Stop being such a cocksucker.
Posted by: Victor at November 07, 2005 05:50 AM (L3qPK)
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Let us simplify. Houston Condensed. If Islam leaves me alone. I will leave it alone. If Islamists come to hurt me or mine, I will blow their s**t into the weeds and never look back. I don't care about the whys or dialog.
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What a crappy crappy day i had today. i won't go into all the reasons, some were biological and others environmental. But i'm all stressed out right now. My preferred stress reliever had to work tonight, so instead i'm enjoying a glass of fine California wine.
One thing that pissed me off early, happened between classes as i was filling out my absentee ballot. An annoying guy in my class came over and sat down next to me. He obviously thought i was filling out a lotto card.
"Hey, if you win the lottery, do I get some?" he asked.
My first thought was, You couldn't get some offa me even if you won the lottery. Then it occurred to me that he was talking about the winnings.
"No this is an absentee ballot," i told him.
"Oh, are you voting no on all those propositions?" he said.
"What propositions do you mean?"
"Those ones the governator likes."
i paused for effect. "Um, no. i'm actually voting yes on them."
He looked horribly disappointed. "Really?"
"Yes really."
"i voted for him," he added. "But I don't like any of his propositions."
This type of thinking is apparently common, according to the polls. But i was amazed to have actually met someone with that kind of disconnection from reality.
"What's the point of voting for Schwarzenegger if you don't want him to change anything? That makes no sense at all. He can't do it by himself. We might as well have kept Gray Davis."
He obviously hadn't thought about that. "Um, well, it seems like some of those propositions are just 'broken promises.'"
Whoa. That was amazing. Here was a guy who had no idea what was on the ballot, yet he was able to parrot verbatim the Unions' attack ad slogan. That's how effective those anti-Schwarzenegger ads have been.
i wanted to lay into him at that point, but i figured the better solution would be to salvage something positive from an idiot, if possible.
i said, "They're not like that at all. Why don't you read the propositions and vote for the ones that sound good to you."
"Well, i suppose." He seemed open to the idea.
"Good. Promise me you'll do that," i flashed him a smile.
"I will. I promise."
Excellent. i had hopefully converted an idiot.
So here's how i voted for next Tuesday's special election, in case any of you care:
Proposition 73: This measure requires a 48 hour waiting period and parental notification for minors seeking an abortion. This is probably just a ploy to get conservatives to the polls, but i figure it might actually bring just as many pro-abortion voters out. Since i'm against abortion, i'm in favor of any restrictions, no matter how incremental. i voted YES.
Proposition 74: This is the first of the four Schwarzenegger propositions. This measure increases the amount of time a teacher must work before getting tenure. Right now they can get tenure after two years. The initiative bumps it up to five years. Sounds reasonable to me. YES.
Proposition 75: According to the Secretary of State this initiative prohibits "the use by public employee labor organizations of public employee dues or fees for political contributions except with the prior consent of individual public employees each year on a specified written form." That's a no-brainer. YES.
Proposition 76: This is the initiative that promises to make the State government "live within its means." i hope it passes, and if it does, i hope it works. YES.
Proposition 77: This measure is supposed to reform California's gerrymandered districts by taking redistricting out of the hands of the politicians and letting a panel of retired judges draw the lines. Not a perfect solution, but better than the current system, which leaves the foxes in charge of the henhouse. YES.
Proposition 78: One of two competing prescription drug discount initiatives. i voted for this one rather than 79, which is more flawed. YES.
Proposition 79: This prescription drug scheme relies on state bureaucrats to negotiate discounts, instead of the free market. But the worst thing is that it creates a whole new loophole for greedy plaintiff lawyers to file frivoulous lawsuits based on technicalities. NO.
Proposition 80: i don't know what to think about this measure, which purports to repeal California's energy deregulation. i can see arguments both ways on this one. However, i'm generally in favor of deregulation, so i voted NO.
The four Schwarzenegger supported propositions are 74, 75, 76 and 77. The polls say they're all going down. But the polls have been wrong before, and i hope at least 76 and 77 win. That could really start some changes here in California, which is a state that is much more conservative than its legislature. Though most people don't realize it.
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Add to that, Boston Legal has become an anti-Iraq War skreed tonight. Deep thoughts from the Hollywood left.
Posted by: Casca at November 01, 2005 10:55 PM (qBTBH)
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I guess that was you looking over my shoulder as I marked my absentee ballot last week.
Good luck to us and to Ahnold.
Too bad his wife has chosen to sit this one out; sorry about her Mom, but she should have been out there for him all the way.
Posted by: shelly at November 02, 2005 03:40 AM (M7kiy)
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Hope it works out, I would have voted exactly the same (I am not being a syncophant). I have been very surprised by Ahnold. He has proven to be a strong leader and sticks to his guns against very powerful interests. Since he cannot be president, I hope the next republican President has a place for him on the cabinate.
Posted by: Kyle N at November 02, 2005 06:11 AM (SQg/C)
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Hello Annika,
Not living in CA I don't have a vested interest in the outcome of these measures but I am curious about the reasoning behind #79 and if by extention I might demand that the fed's ask me about the choices they make with my tax contributions. I don't want any of my contributions going to the president's salary and a few other budget items as well.
Casca,
If you had script control over BOston Legal would you a) never mention current political issues, b) see to it that if mentioned the issue would be viewed from both the R and L. or c) see to it that the issue was viewed from either the R or the L.?
And I'm sure you know that at the moment the prevailing sentiment in our fair country is that the occupation was a mistake but that immediate withdrawal, something your dad was a tad slow at, is too radical an approach and a time table for witdrawal should be developed.
Posted by: Strawman at November 02, 2005 08:13 AM (0ZdtC)
Posted by: Strawman at November 02, 2005 08:14 AM (0ZdtC)
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Straw the taxpayer's argument you allude to has been tried before, unsuccessfully. i don't have the supreme court cite right now, but it's somewhere in my notes from last semester.
Posted by: annika at November 02, 2005 09:29 AM (zAOEU)
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Since we're talking about Arnold and elections:
It's too bad we can't preemptively vote down the potential recall election they're trying for in June. I'm not saying I think Arnold is the best governor we could have -- but for pete's sake, people, we have a regular election next November, just a few months later! What a waste of taxpayer money to have a recall. The guy should be investing his efforts in defeating Arnold at the real election. I get that there are legitimate things to criticize the guy for, but this is just ridiculous and wasteful.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at November 02, 2005 09:55 AM (XUsiG)
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Annika,
I know it has been unsuccessful re: taxes. I was just wondering what the argument would be in the case of the union dues. And how it would work-apportion contributions by stated party affiliation of members?
And we all know that this measure is a Republican move to counter Union support for Dem's. This is hardly a fight about rights and free speech. Just a partisan crow masquerading as a constitutional peacock.
Posted by: strawman at November 02, 2005 09:57 AM (0ZdtC)
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{Straw the taxpayer's argument you allude to has been tried before, unsuccessfully.}
Yes it was Phoney Joni Baez, another useless, stupid, left wing asshat.
Posted by: Kyle N at November 02, 2005 10:13 AM (k6tMv)
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Hey Kyle,
Only her friends called her Joni. Are you hiding a secret passion?
Posted by: strawman at November 02, 2005 12:50 PM (0ZdtC)
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Annika,
Don't you feel (your personal political judgement here) as though the governor may have bitten off a little too much? His polling wasn't fantastic before calling the special election and its since fallen through the floor. What's he at now, 36%? Christ, even President Bush can't help but look at a number like that and giggle. And, as you may have read, President Bush in a desperately bad place right now.
Let's for a second assume that the polling is correct and all four measures go down. That gets spun as a "referendum on Arnold", and all of a sudden, his re-election becomes a different prospect entirely. In my judgement, he might be able to survive losing two, maybe. He loses all four and I guarantee he faces a primary challenge from some Orange County lunatic, or better still, a retard like Bill Simon. And he could very well lose a contested Republican primary. Stranger things have happened than someone who is essentially a RINO getting primaried out existence.
Any political pro will tell you that you need, at minimum, a 40% approval rating 12 months before election day if you have any chance of surviving. Can you see the governor's approval going up if he loses even one initiative? While I admire the governor's almost galactic ballsiness, I can't help but question whether this is a smart political move.
There's one very real danger in all of this; Governor Fienstein. If the Senator sees Arnold get beaten by a moron, or even sufficently softened up by one in a primary, who can say that she wouldn't jump into the race and beat everyone in sight like an inbred whore?
Politics is chock full of unintended consequences.
Just sayin'.
Posted by: skippystalin at November 02, 2005 02:09 PM (ohSFF)
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It must be a living hell to be a liberal... all this imagination wrapped around hypotheticals. Life is so much easier when one simply deals with reality.
Bill Simon a retard? A onetime neophyte perhaps, but his cherry was popped long ago. No matter what, there will be no credible primary for the Governator, and all of the big time D's will cower in the general, so as not to get it Bustamanted off in their ass.
No popularity poll is worth a fuck unless there are horserace questions.
Posted by: Casca at November 02, 2005 03:27 PM (qBTBH)
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i honestly believe that Schwarzenegger called the special election when he did because he truly believed it couldn't wait. Unfortunately, i think the scenario you paint is realistic. i would not be surprised at all if all four props went down. Arnold's people have made mis-step after mis-step in running these props out there, and i heard they've not been advertising as much as they needed because they haven't raised enough money. By contrast, the Unions have been plastering the airwaves with vague ad hominem attacks for about a year now. It
will be seen as a referendum on Arnold's job performance, and that's too bad, because it shouldn't be. If all four props lose, the media will say it was because people didn't like Arnold. Yet if you ask the average Californian what Arnold has done wrong, you always get a nonsensical response, like i mentioned in the post. People don't like him because they've been told not to like him by an unprecedented smear campaign by the Unions, Like lemmings, these voters will follow the Unions over the cliff, and they'll take this great state with them, but they will never even stop to ask why.
Look at Prop 76, the only one that's directly aimed at controlling spending. Ask anyone why we threw Davis out, and theyll say it's because California was going bankrupt under him. Okay, so why is prop 76 polling the worst of all of them? It should be doing the best, because we NEED to control spending. Obviously the status quo is not working. But nobody thinks. Nobody questions. Its amazing to me. The public employee Unions who are paying for all these ads have a vested interest in preventing any kind of limits on state spending. But nobody thinks about that.
Bottom line, yeah, i agree with you. Arnold's probably toast no matter what. And the lesson we can all learn from this is that if you cross the Unions, you can't sit back and let them hammer you for months without fighting back. If they tell the big lie often enough, people will believe it.
Posted by: annika at November 02, 2005 04:01 PM (zAOEU)
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Arnold is the perfect example of the american dream.
Arnold for the rest of the world is a person that hardly can add up 1 plus 1 and is the David hasselhof of politics..
Posted by: Hemaworstje at November 02, 2005 05:16 PM (QlLyk)
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Hmm, looks like we're voting the same way. I knew there was a reason I like coming here.
To those who question Prop 75 and its attempt to allow union members to have some control over union spending: If it appears to be Republicans acting pissed off at union support of Democrats, well, yes. I don't think you quite comprehend the mutual ass suck that goes on between state unions and the Democrat party. I cannot think of any single instance in which a state employee union has backed a Republican or a Republican effort. Maybe it's happened, but in 32 years of voting in California, I can't recall a single time. Am I really to believe that 100% of the union membership is 100% Democrat? I think not.
Example: The state employee unions screamed bloody murder when Pete Wilson illegally raided the PERS state retirement fund. Yet those same unions aided and abetted Gray Davis when he renamed the tactic, used a different approach, and raided the fund at will.
I've been working for the state for 5+ years now. I am not a member of any state employee union. Yet the Democrat controlled legislature implemented "fair share" so that I still must pay union dues. My dues are approximately 1% less than those of an actual union member. According to the union, that's the percentage of dues that go toward political causes.
Ha! Last month my "fair share" deduction almost doubled. Why? Because the union needed more money to fight the governor's ballot propositions. Thus, by the union's own admission, the entire increase in my "fair share" is going toward political causes. (You can find all the details at the SEIU Local 1000 website, the "fight back fund.")
Prop 75 may not allow ME any say (as I said, I'm not a union member; I'd rather join a satanic cult or, worse, register Democrat), but it definitely will allow some say from actual union members who are sick and tired of seeing the aforementioned mutual suck fest.
Posted by: bob at November 02, 2005 06:45 PM (N/RuW)
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"My first thought was, You couldn't get some offa me even if you won the lottery. Then it occurred to me that he was talking about the winnings"
I guess D.H. isn't the only person with sex on the brain...
Posted by: Mark at November 02, 2005 07:47 PM (Vg0tt)
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Annika we are voting exactly the same!
Posted by: Chuck at November 02, 2005 09:28 PM (R/J3m)
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Casca,
Firstly, I'm no liberal. If anything, I hold liberals in even greater contempt than I do modern "conservatives." Actually, that's probably not true, I remember a time when conservatives weren't supposed to believe in fairy tales, but that time seems to have ended.
If it were up to me, the Republican Party would nominate the ghost of my great hero, Barry Goldwater. Then they might actually be what they claim to be, a conservative party. Sure, they might get crushed all over again, but at least they'd lose with some honor, knowing that they at least lost while believing in something.
Secondly, polling is an important tool to anyone who has even the slightest interest in what's happening in politics. While they're often flawed to varying degrees, they're certainly more reliable than the RNC talking points you seem to live your life by. If life is uncomfortable for me being a "liberal", I can't imagine what it's like for you, having to be Ken Mehlman's Charlie McCarthy and all.
Various scenarios are important to explore, because politics s far more about perception and spin than it is about facts and reasoned argument. This has always been true and always will be. You ignore that fact at your own peril.
Things change rapidly in politics and if you cling to a rigid ideology, those changes will leave you in the dirt. If you don't believe me, just ask Newt Gingrich. In five short years, he went from being the King of America to a twice divorced guy in his fifties, looking to start a new career. And he was shanked by his own party because he refused to change with changing circumstances. Both you and the Governor can learn much from Newt's experience. God knows that the national party will in the next three years.
Posted by: skippystalin at November 03, 2005 01:53 AM (ohSFF)
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Skippy, one clearly sees the similarities between you and ole AU-H2O. He too was a politically self-destructive inflexible ass, until the end when he just became a kook.
I have to thank you for kindly straightening me out on the efficacy of polling. Do you even KNOW what a "horserace" poll is? If not, take a seat at my knee, remain silent, and merely be thought a fool.
A horserace poll asks the question: "If the election were held today and you had the choice of voting for candidate A or B, whom would you vote for, A, B, or neither?" Then of course B changes to C, D, E, F, and the generic, "Any candidate of the other party". This is the only measure of political popularity. All others are simply priming the MSM newscycle.
All polling is methodology dependent. Most issue polls are absolute drek, and the bane of modern politics is bad polling surfacing election cycle after election cycle.
After a cursory look over at RCP, and at Ahnuld's internals, I'm heartened that his issues will go at least 3 of 4 with 76 being the weak sister. In any case, my previous comments remain unassailed.
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2005 05:03 AM (qBTBH)
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Skippy, isn't pre-election polling outlawed in Canada? except for the 1st amendment problem, i always thought that would be a good idea here.
Posted by: annika at November 03, 2005 07:08 AM (shSd9)
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Annika,
Pre-election polling is on illegal for the 5 days before election day. And actually, I disagree with that law. Generally speaking, I think voters deserve more information rather than less, regardless if they do something monumentally stupid - like vote for the winner because he's elected to win - with that information. The government curbing the flow of ANY information during a campaign is generally regarded to be a bad idea. The slippery slope argument comes to mind, but I prefer to think things like, "Who the fuck is the government (who always runs for re-election under the Parliamentary system) to decide what I should or shouldn't know?"
I guess I'm just funny that way.
On to Casca,
Yes, Casca, I'm fully aware of what a "horserace poll" is, you fucking dolt.
However, I will admit that you do have one talent I envy. You can manage to spew insults, yet still manage to ignore the basic point of every commenter who challenges your party line diatribes. Christ, how I with you had a blog with neat little archives so one can chart how your positions on virtually everything "evolve" with the White House's. For example,
1. Did you oppose the creation of the Department of Homeland Security before you agreed that it was a damn fine idea?
2. Did you oppose the creation of the 9/11 Commission before you supported it's appointment and then cite its findings in public every chance you got?
3. Did you oppose the creation of the Office of the Director of National Intelligence before you agreed that it was a damn fine idea?
4. Did you agree that "Brownie" was doing a "great job" during Katrina before supporting his firing as Director of FEMA?
5. Back in the Ninties, did you support abolishing the Department of Education before deciding in 2002 the No Child Left Behind was imperative to our children's future?
I'm willing to bet that you did, because there's a certain president of the United States who did all of the above... and I've never once heard of Charlie McCarthy telling Edgar Bergen that he's a monsterous asshole.
In that spirit, I'll let the concept of a Bush "Republican" calling someone "inflexible" slide for the time being.
Look, being an incredibly obnoixious partisan is a lot of fun. I devoted almost all of my Twenties to doing it myself. But then I learned that you can learn a lot of neat stuff and, consequently live a fuller life, through independent thinking. Maybe you'll grow into someday. Maybe not. Maybe I'm obsolete because I remember a day without the echo-chamber of political blogs.
But there is one thing that I have noticed about you. That would be that not once in our little love-ins have you pointed out where I'm factually inaccurate or even how my intrepretation might be off. Not once. In fact, you haven't even tried.
Perhaps I do come off as pompous and long winded, but that's because I actually like to think and argue from time to time. That can take a a few words to do. As much as I've been trained to write pithy litle sound bites, I prefer not to do so here. I happen to like the exchange of fully formed ideas.
So please lecture me some more about how I'm in danger of becoming a kook. It amuses me. Christ, I actually have more respect for Strawman than I do for you, if only because he at least tries to explain why he thinks like he does.
By the way, I love you too.
Posted by: skippystalin at November 03, 2005 02:30 PM (ohSFF)
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Is this guy who spoke with representative of all Californians? What a jackass.
Posted by: Mark at November 03, 2005 02:39 PM (Vg0tt)
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Ugh, Canadians, lmao, like wild pigs you shit everywhere, and I feel no compulsion to restore order. I'm sure that your kinship with the other gibbering twit who frequents this site is quite close. You share that most offensive of all pseudo-intellectual traits, the love of one's own voice.
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2005 04:35 PM (qBTBH)
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Casca,
Perhaps, but I have a gorgeous voice. But I think my narcissim has a lot more to do with actually having something to say. You should look into it someday.
I could also point out that your nativist outlook is a perfect expression of why Americans have been so good at making friends around the world lately, but I'm feeling generous so I won't.
Posted by: skippystalin at November 03, 2005 04:44 PM (ohSFF)
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Nations have interests, not friends. - Otto von Bismarck
May you live long enough to gain wisdom.
Posted by: Casca at November 03, 2005 08:09 PM (qBTBH)
Posted by: annika at November 04, 2005 07:27 AM (Dztge)
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Casca, You Ignorant Slut,
Wasn't it a recent president who suggested that the United States might need just a little bit of help in, I dunno, Iraq from its friends? And aren't a lot of American "conservatives" all pissy because said friends didn't come rushing in to something that they almost universally thought was a bad idea at the time and said so in the loudest possible voice? The fact that those friends also picked up the slack in Afghanistan when the US virtually abandoned it to go Saddam hunting seems to have escaped those "conservatives."
In fact, I agree with you. A nation's first and foremost responsibility is to act in its own national interest and not because President Bush asks them ever so nicely to do the opposite. Of course, the President would have to ask nicely after the Secretary of Defense went out of his way to insult them in public.
You might be surprised to know that I was an original supporter of the war, although for reasons different from the Adinistration's. Further, I thought it was far more in the interest of both Europe, Japan and Saudi Arabia to remove Saddam than it was in the United States'. After Canadian forces were greeted with a "Welcome to Afghanistan" bombing raid by a speed-addled American pilot, you might excuse us from wanting to stay away from your planes for awhile. Besides, Canada is run by Commie, peacenik shitheads and has been for generations.
On the other hand, you seem to want to have it both ways. On one hand, "conservatives" say that "nations have interests, not friends", yet on the other you want to chastise countries that didn't see the President's dopey democracy crusade in the Middle East as being in their national interest.
Let me give you some silly ststistics that might paint my picture in slightly brighter hues. America has an Arab population of about 2%. Within the next 30 years, based on population projections, both Germany and France will be MAJORITY Muslim countries. Germany and France also happen to treat their Muslim populations like shit.
Notice how Muslim rioters have been burning Paris to the fucking ground this week? Well, that's in SPITE of the fact the fact that France wasn't bombing the shit out of the aunts and uncles back home. Imagine the reaction if France was.
See? National interest is a double-edged sword. Generally speaking, sitting on either edge tends to cut you up pretty badly in ways that might embarass you in the Emergency Room.
And to think that all started out as discussion on a few politically damaging ballot initiatives in California. We should really take the show on the road, Casca.
Posted by: skippystalin at November 04, 2005 02:38 PM (ohSFF)
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And since you started this business of quoting people with amusing accents, I have one of my own.
"I shall destroy you all." - Stewie Griffin
Posted by: skippystalin at November 04, 2005 03:00 PM (ohSFF)
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"You Ignorant Slut,"
I respectfully object to the misuse of such a phrase. This is proper usage:
http://hanoijane.ytmnd.com/
If you don't like that one, this one has better audio/visual qualities:
http://animeslut.ytmnd.com
BTW, can't we all just get along?
*runs out of room*
*hides*
Posted by: reagan80 at November 04, 2005 04:12 PM (K9tdw)
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Canadians should be neither seen or heard, and in this case, since I don't read their blather, they shouldn't write.
Posted by: Casca at November 04, 2005 04:20 PM (qBTBH)
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Hollywood Hypocrisy
i bet i could totally
outshoot Ben Afflack, that pansy.
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Posted by: spielberg80 at November 01, 2005 09:41 AM (K9tdw)
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At least Bennifer is pro second amendment. He actualy comes off a lot less moonbat in interviews than other hollywierd celeb-rities
Posted by: Kyle N at November 01, 2005 02:40 PM (uXdIQ)
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Yes Kyle, but he's got an asshole the size of a fifty-cent piece.
Posted by: Casca at November 01, 2005 02:58 PM (qBTBH)
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I bet you totally could too.
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Is that pansy really worth a post?
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Talking About Scooter
i apologize for not blogging much lately. i have been very busy, spending almost all of my waking time trying to care about the whole Scooter indictment. So far i have been unsuccessful.
Yesterday, in a desperate effort to make myself care, i attached this picture to a device i invented, so that i could look at it all day long. That didn't work, and in fact was more of a distraction than i intended.
Later on, i picked up the New York Times and scanned the three stories above the fold. i looked at the first story, which began with something like: Lewis Libby was indicted. Then i went to the second story which said Lewis Libby was indicted. Then i tried the third story, which talked about Lewis Libby being indicted. Then i looked at the... well, you get the picture. i thought, "what the hell?" There was nothing on there about any Scooter! If the New York Times doesn't care enough about the story to put it on their front page, why should i care?
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In keeping with the spirit of this post, I couldn't muster enough interest to read to the end of it. I will be interested should any of the intel oversight committees decide that they care how the fuck ole joe ended up in Niger.
Posted by: Casca at October 30, 2005 09:54 AM (qBTBH)
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Oh no!!
The MSM doesn't care about THAT lie. To expose it, they'd have to tell us about Valerie's role.
Hell, that could be a crime. What ever happened to press ethics? The wrong person went to jail.
Meanwhile, doesn't seen to me that "Scooter" is a great name with which to to enter a prison.
He better beat the rap. Which, by the way, is definitely my prediction. National Security will prevent alot of folks from tesilying, and he will be dismissed and back in the White House before the term ends.
How do we contribute to his defense fund?
Posted by: shelly at October 30, 2005 02:12 PM (6mUkl)
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WHat am I missing here?
Casca, Shelly,
Let me get this straight, you think that Plame did something wrong and that she deserved to have her identity blown? That Wilson also did something wrong? That Libby, Chaney, Rove et al were disclosing her cover as a public service? That the Niger yellow cake story was in fact true? That the forged Italian documents were real? (In spite of the fact that there was a supply of yellow cake already in Iraq, and that there was absolutely no capacity to concentrate it despite CondiÂ’s lies about the aluminum tubes?) And I guess, most importantly, if by extension I should infer that you also believe the entire run up to the invasion was based on real, supported and verified intelligence? That we were facing an atomic scenario, stocks of germs and gas? And that the boys from Brazil are a nice friendly bunch without a vindictive bone amongst them.
Please tell me whatÂ’s up, I guess I got this whole thing wrong. Let me get my check book out and help this poor guy.
Posted by: Strawman at October 30, 2005 03:21 PM (0ZdtC)
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On the off chance that you're really as ignorant as you may be pretending to be... What is really going on here is a rogue element inside the CIA represented by Plame et.al. was working to undermine a sitting President through the non-office of Wilson. These people deserve a lot more than unmasking and being publicly pissed on. They're traitors, thus no doubt welcome at your table.
The left when they reach power always does what it accuses the right of doing. It uses the National Security Institutions of our country for political ends. Although there was plenty of room for it, the CIA NEVER tried to tie together the Clintons and all of their nefarious actions. When did they send a referral to the DOJ on Mark Rich and the bribes he paid for pardon? Clinton definitely used our military power to get his fat ass off the frontpages, and influence the newscycle, but never to protect this nation by going after her enemies. That's why we're in a religious war with Islam today, and considering YOUR heritage, you're pretty fucking stupid if you can't see that.
Posted by: Casca at October 30, 2005 04:21 PM (qBTBH)
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Kids, kids, kids,
As much as I don't want to add any credence to Strawman and his silly points, I do need to acknowlege that he has one.
I supported the war and I continue to, despite the incompetence of the occupation. I supported the war for very different reasons than the Adminstration supported it. I supported it because as long as Saddam was in power, he was a threat to the region and therefore to all of the oil that doesn't come from Alberta. Western democracies happen to like cheap oil, althouh you wouldn't know it by the prices we pay at the pump these days.
It was only a matter of time before the French and the Russians succeeded in lifting the sanctions against the fascist Ba'athist regime. Once that happened, one could reasonably surmise that saddam would go on a shopping spree of weapons of mass destruction. One can surmise this because he's done it before.
That would be inconsequential but or Saddam's history of strategic miscalculation. In 1980, he figured "I'll invade Iran. What can happen?" A milion dead later, he didn't learn anything. In 1990, he figured "I'll invade Kuwait. What could happen?" The spectacular ass-kicking he suffered in 1991 seemingly taught him nothing at all.
In my opinion, the White House was stupid by hanging the case for taking Saddam out on WMD and I said so at the time. Even with a convential military, Saddam was a threat and needed to be taken out. Anyone who suggests otherwise is an idiot.
But for the White House to hang their entire case on WMD was equally idiotic. It really didn't matter, from a national security perspectiive, if Saddam had WMD or not. He was a threat and needed taking out.
But marrying Saddam to WMD put the Administration on the path that logically lead to Plame-gate. WMD was the poison apple that spawned te fruit of Joe Wilson and Valarie Plame in the first place.
As much as Joey is a lying monster and all around motherfucker, he is a creation of Administration policy as it relates to WMD. If the Administration didn't predicate their entire case for war on WMD, Joe Wilson would be unknown today. But you can't get around the fact that Wilson was virtually created by a flawed policy. I've tried, and it just can't be done.
The Administration then tried to hammer the monster they created by outing his wife. Then they lied under oath about it, That much is indisputable. I think Annie makes a horrible political mistake by minimizing the importance of this indictment.
One could easily say that this is a knock-off Watergate. That misunderstands what Watergate was all about. Watergate grew out of the leak of the Pentagon Papers by Daniel Ellsberg. Given the China negotiations and the general paranoia of Richard Nixon, the resulting scandal was predictable. But one should always remember that only five people were convicted in the break-in, but eighteen Nixon people ended up going to jail over it.
The point is that stupid things tend to get away from you sometimes and often times come back to bite you on the ass. Hard. Asking Gerald Ford how this works might be helpful.
Posted by: skippystalin at October 30, 2005 04:56 PM (ohSFF)
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Casca, you're an idiot.
Seriuosly, how you manage to get through a day without eletrocuting yourself by blow-drying your hair in the shower as means of saving time, I'll never know.
Blaming the CIA is easy. So easy, in fact, that every president does it. Read enough memoirs and you'll find that everyone in the history of White House has a hate fuck for Langely. The only recent president how doesn't hate them is this president's father.And that's only because he ran the CIA and their headquarters happens to named after him.
Furthermore, if the CIA had an agenda against this president, why would he give them such a wide opening to make him look stupid? As i pointed out earlier, WMD was the weakest case to base invading Iraq on, but it was the preferred option for the Administration to argue.
It also ignores the point that CIA was the central clearing house for the "Saddam has WMD" theory in the first place. Do you really believe that they would set up a policy position just so they could knock it down at the expense of their own prestige?
You're argument seems to be that the Agencey killed Kennedy, but couldn't shoot straight. As you can imagine, you can't have it both ways.
Posted by: skippystalin at October 30, 2005 05:42 PM (ohSFF)
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Skippy Boy,
You sure have a lot of words to describe and to circumvent the realtity of what is essentially a bunch of thugs doing bad things to america and the iraqi people for reasons that you think make sense when viewed through the lens of things that had not happened.
What would have occured in Saddam's Iraq once the sanctions were lifted is mere speculation. Any number of things may have occured. To justify a current policy which began by lying to congress and the American peole and further has included invading a soverign nation and the death of 2000 GI's and as of today 26,000 civilians is a pretty fucking big leap into the abyss of "hey, it needed to be done. Doesn't matter what they said by way of a justification." I would like to see your face after your son or daughter comes home in a box and you tell their mother or grandparents about how this conflict was inevitable and that NO other way was possible to stop the threats, stick waving and to perserve a flow of oil. And, sad as you are about the loss, you are confident that all avenues had been explored leaving invasion and occupation the only viable options. My guess is you would demure from that position once you had been presented with the folded flag.
Casca, you are an ass. Our war with radical Islam is not a result of Bill CLinton's inefectual foreigh policy. To think that is really pretty empty headed. To empty headed to even begin a discussion. I'm sure Annika or possibly RayGun will administer some insight in this matter in your direction. I am no fan of Clinton's but I cannot excuse the far more malevelant foreign policy of the Bushies just because Bill was not too swift either and put his tail between his legs in Somalia. This is classic RW bullshit. "we are stupid bungling lying shits but not as stupid and bungling as the last guy"
My heritage gives me a perspective on these affairs that you cannot fathom: christian newcomer that you are.
Posted by: strawman at October 30, 2005 05:58 PM (0ZdtC)
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I stand with Casca on this one. Joe Wilson is a scumbag and Libby was taking him down for trying to pin the trip in Chaney. Libby just forgot to read his notes before he testified. Rove forgot, too, but he read them after and came back and fixed his testimony.
There is no basic crime here, because Wilson was all around the District introducing Plame as his "CIA wife". Everyone in offical Washington that would talk to Wilson knew it. And, she was not "covert".
Perjury is damn near impossible to prove; as a former trial lawyer and judge, I have seen lots worse that was not provable in a court, and I'm betting Scooter scoots on this one.
There's a war here, a real, honest to goodness shooting, bombing, to the death fucking war, and these idiots are taking down our Generals with process.
There is no going back here; do you get it? We did not invade anywhere to cause 9/11 or the Cole, or the various embassy bombings. They hate our way of life and will fight to the death.
We need to get them there faster, and, over there, not here.
History will show that George W. Bush is a hero for the ages. You idiots should thank God, if you know how, every day that you are safe at your computers planning to tear him and his administration down, that George W. Bush has the guts to do what he is doing.
Casca, you don't know football, but you know what is what in this world. Thank the Lord there are more of us than them.
Posted by: shelly at October 30, 2005 06:04 PM (6mUkl)
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Love it. Strawman fell for the strawman. Way to go, Rove!
Posted by: Victor at October 30, 2005 07:11 PM (l+W8Z)
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I'm sorry, but I have a two paragraph limit. I don't care how great your argument is. If you can't say what you mean in that much terrain, go back and edit. I'm not curious enough to read that much bile. Not even when it begins, "Casca is..." I just keep scrollin' alooooooooong!
Posted by: Casca at October 30, 2005 07:19 PM (qBTBH)
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BTW, if http://rschultz.blogspot.com/ isn't a daily stop, if should be. Today he recapped last nights, The True Story of Hannibal, which is relevant and instructive; http://rschultz.blogspot.com/2005/10/difficile-est-saturam-non-scribere.html
And yes, the one bet I truly regret yesterday was WaZoo. What a buncha fucking marshmellows, and if those fucks at Stanford had any stones, they'd hang their coaching staff on the quad.
Posted by: Casca at October 30, 2005 07:32 PM (qBTBH)
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Hey Ray,
Thanks for the memories.
In my mind Cindy Sheehan's failure was to raise a son who wasn't sophisticated enough to understand the nature of American militarism since WW II so that he could stay out of the army where he was destined to become cannnon fodder and/or the murderer of civilians. Her strength has been to stand up and demand an accounting from the bunch of thugs that shot him into harms way.
Hey, Ray, I don't remember if you ever told me why you are not in fatigues? Better things to do?
Posted by: strawman at October 31, 2005 11:06 AM (0ZdtC)
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"Aaaaaaaaaaaah, now I see", said the blind man. I thought you were a child, straw, a natural enough mistake considering the jejeune skreeds you emit. Now that you're unmasked as the dregs of your generation, a self-loathing baby-boom dirt-bag, I can understand how lying raises your ire. We always hate most in others, that which we hate most in ourselves. A lifetime of lying to oneself MUST be exhausting. Muster a bit of honest shame in the company of better men, and just go away.
Reagan, please don't waste time on this fool. He has wasted his life. Don't let him do the same with yours.
Posted by: Casca at October 31, 2005 11:41 AM (qBTBH)
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Don't you just love those who enjoy the boundless freedoms and economic juggernaut in this nation, and yet baad mouth the military, and "American Imperialism". The same imperialism which defeated the Nazis, outlasted the commies, and is now fighting Islamo-fascist child murderers.
Yeah, I know not everything we have done was good, neccesary, or done well, but hell, which nation can claim that? People like strawman really are the scum of the earth. I am reminded of the Gilbert and Sullivan song in "The Mikado"
"The idiot who praises with enthusiactic tone
every century but this and every country but his own"
Posted by: Kyle N at October 31, 2005 02:07 PM (mmKfW)
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Y Kyle, you nugget. You have unplumbed literary depths. I was thinking the very same thing... "I have a little list, and none of them'd be missed."
Posted by: Casca at October 31, 2005 02:22 PM (qBTBH)
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You mean, Lewis "Ham Sandwich" Libby don't you?
Posted by: TBinSTL at October 31, 2005 02:46 PM (Vq/8g)
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I generally superspeedskim strawman's comments, noticing only about every 20th word. But I notice he has insulted Casey Sheehan, a true American hero. By extension, strawman has insulted all American's who have given their lives for this nation. I don't have words to express the depth of my disgust.
Sometimes I reflect that I shall never be in another fight as long as I live. This would not be the case if I were to meet strawman in person. His nose and his teeth would be in peril. If there is a way to rid him from this comment section, I am for it.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 31, 2005 02:57 PM (zILLH)
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Casca,
"Jejune skreeds" I like that and you almost spelled jejune correctly! Although I spell for shit I couldn't resist since you took the trouble of going to the dictionary and all.
Posted by: strawman at October 31, 2005 03:04 PM (0ZdtC)
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I'm calling you out, you piece of shit. Its time for you to abandon the keyboard, put on a hairnet, and enter the workforce.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 31, 2005 03:11 PM (zILLH)
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Gcotharn,
You got a problem mutherfucker? I'll take my fucking hair net and shove it so far up your cloacae a vole couldn't find it.
Posted by: strawman at October 31, 2005 03:32 PM (0ZdtC)
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"I apologize for not blogging much lately."
Really I had not noticed at all.
Posted by: Orion Testaclese at October 31, 2005 03:33 PM (Vg0tt)
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There's a great scene in "In Harm's Way" where Kirk Douglas questions Rock Torrey's son's paternity, then tells him, "Guys like your old man come along only once in a while. Bums like your pal Owynn are with us always." Then Kirk beats the shit out of Owynn in the head.
Posted by: Casca at October 31, 2005 03:38 PM (qBTBH)
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"Hey, Ray, I don't remember if you ever told me why you are not in fatigues? Better things to do?"
Wow. The Chickenhawk Meme? Isn't this your M.O. anyway, Strawman?
[The Chickenhawk argument modus operandi is alsways the same as you said B5, decsending:
Did you serve or not? No? you're a ChickenHawk
If you served, did you serve in Iraq? No? you're a ChickenHawk.
Are you retired military or in CONUS? Yes? you're a ChickenHawk.
Hmmnnn- you're an aviator, you're not in infantry? I see- you must be a ChickenHawk (C.H.). That was used on me..LOL.]
I've seen you diss veterans here before. Unless if they are mutinous, I know that you loathe the troops that are currently serving in Iraq. I also know that you have no respect for the fallen. What would change if I enlisted myself?
How about this: Since you are so opposed to our military achieving victory for our country, I'll respect your opinion when you volunteer as a suicide bomber for the Islamo-Fascists. kthxbye
Posted by: reagan80 at October 31, 2005 07:06 PM (K9tdw)
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Dammit Reagan, that was pretty good.
Posted by: Casca at October 31, 2005 07:54 PM (qBTBH)
Posted by: reagan80 at October 31, 2005 08:05 PM (K9tdw)
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It's really quite simple;
- Bush was looking for an excuse to invade Iraq
- A false document was created by (???) to enable an excuse
- Cheney asked for an answer on the document (perhaps expecting a certain answer?)
- Plame suggested her husband, a former ambassador to Iraq
- Joe took the trip, plied the Niger leadership, and discovered the document was false
- Joe made a number of statements, one where he speculated Cheney asked to send him. This seems to be the basis for all of the attacks against him.
- Cheney told Libby about Joe's wife
- Libby tells (directed to tell?) reporters about Joe's wife, in order to punish/harrass the Wilsons and make examples of them
- Rove tells other reporters
- Libby and Rove lie to a grand jury about telling reporters, and how they learned about Plame.
- Massive propaganda campaigns attempt to focus on relatively insignificant points to steer the minds of the steerable
- Politicians who were extremely upset about lying to the American public and grand juries 6 years ago about sex act as if it is nothing to worry about now about lying about matters of national security, even though they claim to be the stalwarts of national security.
For example, Kay Bailey Hutchinson, in a pre-emptive strike against the perceived, imminent indictments for perjury and obstruction of justice, of Karl Rove and I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, has come out and said such charges are not severe ones, just "technicalities" in her words, and the Senator implored the prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald not to indict them for anything frivolous like that.
"I do think . . . that something needs to be said that is a clear message that our rule of law is intact and the standards for perjury and obstruction of justice are not gray. And I think it is most important that we make that statement and that it be on the record for history.
"I very much worry that with the evidence that we have seen that grand juries across America are going to start asking questions about what is obstruction of justice, what is perjury. And I don't want there to be any lessening of the standard. Because our system of criminal justice depends on people telling the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth."
-- Hutchison discussing President Bill Clinton's impeachment at a news conference, Feb. 5, 1999.
In fact, given the number of special prosecutors and partisan zealots like Ken Starr hounding the former President, it is guaranteed that if Clinton had actually perjured himself and / or obstructed justice he would have at least been charged with something, somewhere, in a real court of law.
Hutchison should know about "technicalities" anyways. She once escaped criminal conviction in Texas on a "technicality", when a partisan Republican judge refused to rule in advance on whether the evidence showing her guilt could be admitted for the jury to see, thereby destroying the prosecutor's case.
Posted by: will at November 01, 2005 05:16 AM (GzvlQ)
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[Joseph Wilson, a retired US diplomat the CIA sent to investigate the Niger story, also found evidence of Iraqi contacts with Nigerien
officials, the report said.
Wilson told the committee that Niger's former prime minister Ibrahim Mayaki reported meeting with Iraqi officials in 1999. Mayaki said a businessman helped set up the meeting, saying the Iraqis were interested in "expanding commercial relations" with Niger -- which Mayaki interpreted as an overture to buy uranium, Wilson said.
All of that information came to Washington long before an Italian journalist gave US officials copies of documents purporting to show an agreement from Niger to sell uranium to Baghdad. Those documents have been determined to be forgeries.]
http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2004/07/11/2003178550
"- Plame suggested her husband, a former ambassador to Iraq
- Joe took the trip, plied the Niger leadership, and discovered the document was false
- Joe made a number of statements, one where he speculated Cheney asked to send him. This seems to be the basis for all of the attacks against him."
Wow. You are actually trying to spin one of Wilson's bald faced lies. Wilson said his wife had nothing to do with his appointment. Period.
[Instead of assigning a trained intelligence officer to the Niger case, though, the C.I.A. sent a former American ambassador, Joseph Wilson, to talk to former Niger officials. His wife, Valerie Plame, was an officer in the counterproliferation division, and she had suggested that he be sent to Niger, according to the Senate report.
That finding contradicts previous statements by Mr. Wilson, who publicly criticized the Bush administration last year for using the Niger evidence to help justify the war in Iraq. After his wife's identity as a C.I.A. officer was leaked to the news media, Mr. Wilson said she had not played a role in his assignment, and argued that her C.I.A. employment had been disclosed to punish him.]
It is really quite simple; Wilson is indeed a lying prick.
Posted by: reagan80 at November 01, 2005 09:26 AM (K9tdw)
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Hey Ray,
Getting a bit testy arenÂ’t we? I have no real beef with soldiers as long as they shoot the real enemies of America and refrain from torturing and murdering those in their custody. In Iraq they are not. They are on a bogus mission destroying a country that was and is not our enemy.
Niger, yellow cake, all bullshit. Iraq couldn't have made a bomb. Not possible, just another lie to whip up rubes like you, who never took a science class and nodded their collective empty heads as Condi told them (lies) about the centrifuge tubes, with Atomic bullshit. Did Saddam want to drop a big fucking H bomb on DC? Sure. So have a thousand others. Did he? Did a bunch of connected Saudi's attack America? Seems so, no? Did we do anything about it? I can't really tell unless killing Iraqi's and AfghanÂ’s is the measure. Iraq was always part of another plan: control oil. ThatÂ’s all. EVERYTHING has been used as an excuse to achieve this end. 911 made these creeps jump for joy. Now, they thought, all will be right with the world.
This whole adventure is one big fucking lie. The Chaney-Wolfy-Libby-Rove crowd wanted to get Iraq for ten years ago. All documented. ALL that has happened is they got into power, hijacked the govt., usurped the power of congress by feeding them a bunch of hysterical lies, pretended there was no other way to save America and "free" the poor people of Iraq, and topple a dictator who owed his life and stature to our previous support. All false pretenses, all unlawful, treasonous, crimes against America.
Now assholes like you call me names because I think it is a tragedy, accuse you of paying lip service to the cause you so dearly believe in and then you dimwits suggest that I wish our real enemy, sick fucking Islamo nuts that they are, to cause us harm and our troops harm? You are really fucking idiots.
Ray, you and guys like Casca are so full of shit it runs out your nose when you get all weepy watching the e-ring or band of brothers. I love this country, I mourn our dead soldiers and I want to put a stop to their useless killing. Ray, I really don't want you fighting; your death would be as tragic as the next GI who will likely die in the next few hours. This adventure in regime change and nation building (all things Bush swore he would never do) is getting America NOWHERE and will not ever cure the rift with those who want to annihilate us. It is by most accounts making it worse. We have a problem with these people to be sure, donÂ’t for a minute think I don't know that, I am not brain dead; I just don't think Iraq is the place to fight or the place where a win will be a win. It is a lose, lose situation. 100,000 dead, a crap non secular government, and a lot of hatred burned into the sand.
I want all Americans safe, I want innocent civilians in all countries free from our bombs, I want American bullets in the hearts of those who harmed us and I want an American government that has respect enough for it's constituents to tell them the truth, admit mistakes and follow the rule of law. And stop being vindictive bastards.
The Bush Cabal is evil: dangerous men undermining the basic precepts of what make this country great. Secretive, paranoid little men infused with religious fervor and hatred for those who turn over the rotting wood to shine the light on them. They are on a mission from god and are expressing a blatant disregard for the rule of law each day they occupy the White House. And I do mean occupy in the most militaristic sense.
Posted by: strawman at November 01, 2005 01:01 PM (0ZdtC)
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"This adventure in regime change and nation building (all things Bush swore he would never do) is getting America NOWHERE and will not ever cure the rift with those who want to annihilate us. It is by most accounts making it worse."
Strawman, don't let anything like FACTS or TRUTH get in the way. I mean really! Iraqis have no benefitted at all from the toppling of a bloody monster who murdered his own family members, who raped, tortured and murdered men, women and children on a whim. No one has benefitted from free elections with little or no violence, and it's hardly noteworthy that a people with no experience in writing constitutions did so as quickly as they did. Nor are you impressed that millions of Iraqis braved death threats and the possibility of violence on their families and themselves just for standing in line to vote, sometimes for hours.
Perhaps you don't care about those things in Iraq because you don't value them in AMERICA.
Posted by: Mark at November 01, 2005 05:48 PM (Vg0tt)
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I don't know why you folks parlay with the miserable self-loathing shitstain. I'm in the process of rescreening "The Sorrow & The Pity", and the defeatist politics of the collaborators clearly got the Frenchies steamrolled. It's hard not to compare them with the collaborators in our midst. I should think that we'll find something more extreme than headshaving to reward them with.
Posted by: Casca at November 01, 2005 06:07 PM (qBTBH)
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Mark,
I value them far more than you obviously do. The Facts you state are subjective observations about a wrecked country that you CHOOSE to see in a lovely golden light and you have bought into the way overblown horror stories of Iraq under Saddam. Where was your outrage as Rummy strode across the tarmac and gave him a big hug? Was he so terrible then? Were you worried then that they could not vote or were being raped in some prison basement? How concerned were you when we toppled the elected president of Chile and allowed the death squads to "dissapear" thousands of dissenters? Or the same in Guatamala? Or in Honduras? Or in Timor? You are a typical american with a mobile conscience that gets driven to the sites your government wants you to see and chooses a response for you. Mindless sheep are harder to sway than people like you.
We have tortured hundreds and killed 30 in our prison camps. We have cause the death of,30-50 thousand Iraqi's since our incursion. Far moren than Saddam would have killed in the next 20 years. There country is descimated, few schools, few hospitals, museums looted, and hundreds of other institutions destroyed, little electricity or drinking water and you, you silly ass, think they are thrilled to have traded it for a vote? Guess again. And BTW There is a fine bridge across the east river I can sell you cheap.
Posted by: strawman at November 01, 2005 06:09 PM (0ZdtC)
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Casca,
You dimwit, you clearly never read anything I write. You spew ignorant, nasty, ill conceived bile, spit (you sound like a man who chews), grab another brew, settle your lazy ass into the Barcko and wait for the test pattern so you can fall asleep just like your president who I might add is dumber than you. I doubt he can type.
Posted by: Strawman at November 01, 2005 06:20 PM (0ZdtC)
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The headshaving is to get rid of the lice.
It doesn't seem to be working. I think their still here.
I tolja, Casca, fugggedaboudit.
Back to Columbus.
Posted by: shelly at November 02, 2005 03:48 AM (M7kiy)
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"Where was your outrage as Rummy strode across the tarmac and gave him a big hug? Was he so terrible then? Were you worried then that they could not vote or were being raped in some prison basement? How concerned were you when we toppled the elected president of Chile and allowed the death squads to "dissapear" thousands of dissenters? Or the same in Guatamala? Or in Honduras? Or in Timor?"
Above, strawman engages in what liberals do best: Change the subject.
"You are a typical american with a mobile conscience that gets driven to the sites your government wants you to see and chooses a response for you" = Insult plus big assumption.
"We have tortured hundreds and killed 30 in our prison camps. We have cause the death of,30-50 thousand Iraqi's since our incursion." = Side issue to divert attention + blatant anti-Americanism
"Far moren [sic] than Saddam would have killed in the next 20 years." = Total falsehood considering Saddam murdered over 2 million. You have lost all credibility once again. I note also the not so subtle support for a ruthless murderer who inserted innocent people into wood chippers alive.
"There [sic] country is descimated, few schools, few hospitals, museums looted, and hundreds of other institutions destroyed, little electricity or drinking water and you, you silly ass, think they are thrilled to have traded it for a vote?"
= More disinformation.
Explain this to the millions who stood in line for hours risking their lives for their vote.
Schools have been built and are running again. Hospitals are being rebuilt. Problems with electricity are partly due to horrible obsolete grids. Your post reflects the media's desire to shield you from any good info, and you assume good things are not happening simply because the media does not report them.
Thanks for calling me an "ass." Another liberal tactic: Insult the person you're debating with if he dare disagree with u. Childish insults make me smile.
"Guess again. And BTW There is a fine bridge across the east river I can sell you cheap." = Arrogance, infantile condescention, and tired cliche.
Next...
Posted by: Mark at November 02, 2005 08:01 PM (Vg0tt)
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There is so much damage control contortions by the GOP desperate to contain the hemorraging that they only have recourse to shoot the messenger.
Posted by: will at November 03, 2005 05:18 AM (h7Ciu)
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October 26, 2005
Miers: My End-Game Opinion
Earlier, i posted
my preliminary opinion on the Miers nomination. At the time i fully expected the controversy to die down, although i was mildly disappointed with the choice. Or rather, i was more disappointed with the fact that Bush had chosen not to nominate one of my preferred candidates, instead opting for another apparent stealth nominee.
Over three weeks have passed, and i've watched and listened as the controversy refused to die. This story has had "legs," in the news parlance of the day. And the more i learned about Miers, the less willing i have been to close my eyes and hope for the best. Now, i am ready to commit to a side in this debate. It shouldn't be a surprise, given my background as a conservative with a history degree, that i have decided to oppose the confirmation of Harriet Miers as Supreme Court justice. My reasons have little to do with ideology.
Many reasons to oppose her confirmation have been proffered by conservative pundits much more knowledgeable than i am. These reasons seem to fall into a few broad categories. One group is mad because she isn't a big name judge. These folks are mad because they expected Luttig or Brown or Pryor. i can understand this criticism. i wanted McConnell or Brown. i still don't understand why Kozinski's name wasn't batted around more often. But i could have lived with my disappointment if Miers had been a good choice, and i think most conservatives feel the same way.
Another group is mad because Miers lacks a clear "judicial philosophy." The most articulate spokesman for this point of view is Mark R. Levin, who's turned the phrase " . . . but what's her judicial philosophy?" into a kind of mantra. This criticism has a lot of merit, in my view. i think it's fair to suspect that a person who has shown no evidence of having a coherent underlying approach to constitutional issues probably does not have such an underlying approach. At age 60, it's a little late to expect Ms. Miers to start developing a useful judicial philosophy if she hasn't given much thought to it before now.
Still, i'd be willing to give Ms. Miers the benefit of the doubt on the judicial philosophy question if that were my only objection. It's quite possible that despite the scant evidence of any coherent philosophy, she might actually have one. The trouble is, we don't know what it is. Larry Tribe and Erwin Chemerinsky have coherent judicial philosophies, but woe unto us if they were ever placed on the court. At least Tribe's and Chemerinsky's viewpoints are well known, as are their towering intellects. Which brings me to my next point, which is the clincher.
i'm not saying that Harriet Miers is not smart. Her background, education and experience proves to me that she is. But the position of associate justice on today's Supreme Court is not a job for just any smart person. It's a highly specialized occupation, and those who say it's not a place for "on-the-job training" have it absolutely right.
i am certainly no expert on constitutional law, although i have studied it in more detail than most people my age, both as a law student and in undergrad and graduate history courses. i know enough to know what i don't know. It is perhaps the most difficult area of law, not because it surpasses the intricate detail of a subject like tax or securities law, but because it is so malleable and its standards can be so hard to define. Con law is the "big leagues" of the legal profession. And doing con law as a Supreme Court justice is like being in the World Series. You have to be on your game at all times. You have to be the best of the best to do it right, and if you're not, it will become painfully obvious to knowledgeable observers very quickly.
i think that is the problem when non-lawyers like President Bush try to make decisions concerning the legal world. Most non-lawyers i've met seem to think that all lawyers know everything about all fields of law. No one would think to ask a dermatologist questions about spinal surgery. Yet Miers supporters are quick to assume that a corporate lawyer could easily slip into the role of constitutional scholar overnight.
i don't care that Miers has been at the White House for almost five years. That's not the same thing as spending a lifetime thinking about constitutional issues and the development of precedent from year to year and case to case. That's what con law is all about. It's analyzing precedent, history, argument and policy, then trying to extrapolate the potential reverberating effects of a ruling on future transactions, often for generations to come. Con law is to regular legal practice as Chess is to checkers.
Think about a guy like Mike McConnell, for instance. i've spent many hours this semester dissecting his various Establishment Clause articles, most notably his William and Mary Law Review piece (44 Wm. & Mary L. Rev. 2105), which is heavily footnoted, dense and unquestionably essential reading no matter what side of the religious argument you are on. i'm nowhere close to getting a handle on the subject. Here's a guy who's thought about this shit for years. He likes thinking about this shit. You could say the same thing about Prof. Tribe, if you're a liberal. Is there any evidence that Ms. Miers is similarly up to speed on even one subject of constitutional law?
So what if she's not up to speed? Why does that matter? i'll tell you why. An effective Supreme Court justice must have the power of persuasion. If the other justices do not have confidence in her mastery of the subject matter, in her authority as an analyst of the case law in question, they will eat her alive. At this point, i see no evidence that Ms. Miers has the kind of background that will give her that kind of persuasive authority. In fact, i have seen discouraging murmurs that she lacks just that.
How many Supreme Court opinions has she read top to bottom, and understood? It's hard to believe, with her busy career, that she's had the time for that kind of recreational study. If she's confirmed, when is she going to find the time then? i remember my first month of law school. In my nightly reading, i came across so many unfamiliar words and concepts that i was constantly going into Black's Dictionary to look things up. It was a nightmare. i've since learned how to skim the cases just to get through the reading, but that's not something i want my Supreme Court justices doing.
Oh sure, she can have her clerks do the heavy lifting. But in this day and age, i don't want unaccountable idealistic twenty year olds who were basically the best ass-kissers in law school leading around the new justice by her nose. There are plenty of historical examples of Supreme Court justices who relied overly much on their law clerks, but that was never a good thing. And today, the scariest issues are much scarier than they ever were back in the day. Terrorists who can blow up entire cities, scientists who can condemn millions more unborn lives to death, those are just two examples. This is a game best left to the pros.
i'm planning to watch the confirmation hearings, assuming she doesn't withdraw before then. i'm willing to keep an open mind, but unfortunately Ms. Miers has an even tougher job than Justice Roberts had. She must be absolutely stellar at the hearings, because she has to change minds. i know the White House has been working hard to prepare her, but i'd be very surprised if she can pull it off. Very surprised.
Update: You're freakin kidding me?! i told you the president reads my blog.
Update 2: i heard Dick Durbin this morning say, "this was not about documents, it was about Dobson." What an ignoramus. Dobson was one of Miers's earliest supporters, you moron.
And Hewitt's afraid we might lose to these guys?!
Update 3: The Anchoress, who correctly predicted the Miers nomination ahead of time, now turns her clairvoyant powers toward Ted Olsen. i see one problem that should prevent an Olsen nomination: a little case for which he represented the president once upon a time. Bush v. Gore. An Olsen nomination would be spun as a belated quid pro quo, fairly or not. Who needs that aggravation on top of everything else?
Let me go on record now and reiterate that McConnell is my first choice, J.R. Brown my second.
[cross-posted at A Western Heart]
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My dear, I must lead you by the hand back to the land of sanity. "I'd rather be ruled by the first 500 names in the Boston telephone directory, than the faculty of Harvard. Because given a choice, the faculty of Harvard will vote for utopia, and the pursuit of Utopia in the 20th century has led us to the death camps, and the gulag."
You're being taught the internecine quibbling of the legal guild. A justice should not need to be a lawyer. There is no hidden meaning to be devined in the constitution. If an ordinary citizen can't understand the law, it's time to hang the judges.
Posted by: Casca at October 26, 2005 10:18 PM (qBTBH)
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Sorry Annie, I have to agree with Casca. But I have to warn you both that I won't be happy until engineers rule the world.
Posted by: Mark W at October 27, 2005 06:14 AM (yTuVc)
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Actually, any reasonably well-read conservative will recognize the words as those of Chairman Bill, WFB, the Godfather of modern conservatism.
Poor Harriet, she was not Prince Hamlet,
nor was meant to be;
An attendant lord, one that will do
To swell a progress, start a scene or two,
Advise the prince; no doubt, an easy tool,
Deferential, glad to be of use,
Politic, cautious, and meticulous;
Full of high sentence, but a bit obtuse;
At times, indeed, almost ridiculous--
Almost, at times, the Fool.
Posted by: Casca at October 27, 2005 06:55 AM (qBTBH)
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"i'm nowhere close to getting a handle on the subject."
Nor will you. Establishment Clause jurisprudence is a total MESS.
Posted by: Mark at October 27, 2005 07:05 AM (ePNL9)
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Looks like you don't have to worry about it after all...
Now we just have to wonder who Bush will put up next, hopefully someone good this time.
Posted by: Rob at October 27, 2005 07:17 AM (OeHNk)
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The reason Scalia is the model is that he best is able to simplify and impart his strict constructionist view of the Constitution.
We need someone who can likewise enunciate and has a record of following that clear and unabiguous approach to the Constitution.
We don't need any more liberal Justies telling us what they think ought to have been included as "rights".
The Framers included a method by which the Constitution could be amended, in fact, two alternate methods.
They did not include the method of Judicial Legislation as a third way.
Posted by: shelly at October 27, 2005 10:34 AM (6mUkl)
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I maintain that she was always a stalking horse sent out to disarm the opposition. Even dear Annie has bit on the "qualifications" red herring. My money is on Luttig. After all... he is "qualified", hehehehe.
Posted by: Casca at October 27, 2005 10:38 AM (qBTBH)
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I side with the Godfather, and further say this: The Constitution was written by smart Americans from all different vocations, and it can be understood by smart Americans from all different vocations. It only requires extreme training to understand the logical physics of creating rights out of thin air. When a smart layperson cannot understand Constitutional law, its time to overthrow the government, burn the legal document, and start over(can you tell I don't have a law degree?!) I also believe its not optimal to create a nine person band which is all horns. A piano would positively impact the sound. And some drums.
Second: That Ms. Miers did not make it through confirmation is empirical proof that she was not outstandingly competent. This is where I draw my line for a non-judge SCOTUS Candidate: elitely competent - no; well and solidly competent - no; outstandingly competent - yes.
Bill Parcells says this: "You are what you are. If you have a 6-10 record, you are a 6-10 team." If Miers' was an outstanding intellect, quick on her feet, with at least SOME excellent speeches and writings in her background, I believe she would've successfully made it through contentious, ugly, Clarence Thomas type hearings(begin porno jokes now). That she did not is a comment on her competence: solid, but not outstanding. I wasn't distraught over Miers nomination, because I had confidence it would play out as it ought to, either way.
Accordingly, I'm happy with this outcome. President Bush probably erred on the side of hubris, and conservatives reminded him of his proper responsibilities. A very good thing.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 27, 2005 11:01 AM (zILLH)
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i wasn't really clear above. i agree that the constitution is plain enough to be understood by the average layperson. i'm not saying i wanted a judge who was a con law scholar because i want someone to take the simple document and make it more complex. i want the opposite. But you need someone who is a scholar to do that. Really you need two things, an originalist who is a scholar. Mike McConnell is my first choice. Someone who can back up his or her originalist philosphy with argument based on history. Someone who knows the territory, because the libs on the court are smart enough to construct counter-arguments for their expansionist points of view. if we're to have any chance of rolling back the mess that the recent courts have made of things, we need a strong player on the court. Miers was not that player. It's not enough to know where you want to take the court (and i'm not sure Miers even knew that), you have to have the intellectual tools to get four other justices to go along with you. If our goal as conservatives was to preserve the status quo of expansionism, we could easily live with a go-along and get-along kind of justice. What we want is fundamental change, and we need a scholar for that.
Posted by: annika at October 27, 2005 11:15 AM (zAOEU)
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Luttig and McConnell lack an essential part that will be important in this next battle; because it most certainly will be a battle, there will have to be big stakes, and that means political capital will be on the line.
The way to do that is be sure that the nominee and the fight will result in increases to the party of the President and decreases to those opposing.
Thus, the nominee better have a vagina or be a person of color to raise the stakes.
I'm praying it isn't Gonzalez; he's way too squishy, but maybe one of the Ediths or Collins of Texas.
My choice? Janice Rogers Brown, who meets both criteria and who is unabashadly a conservative. And, she writes well and gets along well with her peers.
That'll make Chuck Shumer's eyes pop out of his head and Leahy go into conniptions. Let'm filibuster. We can win this one, and win big points across the board.
P.S. What kind of man says "hehehe"?
Posted by: shelly at October 27, 2005 11:49 AM (6mUkl)
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true, shelly. JRB would be my second choice. i wonder however, since her female-minority background makes her such a strong choice, why Bush didn't name her instead of Miers? Is there something we don't know? Or is it really that Bush didn't want a fight with Democrats, as i suspect.
Posted by: annika at October 27, 2005 12:48 PM (fvAbz)
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Luttig has an outstanding qualification. He's buds with Roberts. I can see them now, the four horsemen of the Supreme Court; Scalia, Thomas, Roberts, & Luttig. The left will have a shit hemorrage for at least a decade.
P.S. I will not stoop to bandy insults with a racist, sexist, santa monican.
Posted by: Casca at October 27, 2005 01:50 PM (qBTBH)
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On the one hand, Bush is free to forget about an affirmative action/gender nomination, which is refreshing.
OTOH, it would be brilliant politics to bait the Dems into an all-out attack against JRB. I would LOVE to see those images. You could revise "How She Sat There" to reflect JRB sitting poised and self-contained in the Judiciary Committee, with moonbat furies swirling all around her.
I live in Texas. I know lots of people who are very decent in almost all respects, yet, for some reason, they cannot be comfortable with the idea of mixed race marriages. Yet these very people generally rever Condi Rice, and Tiger Woods, and Colin Powell. Pre HIV, they loved Magic Johnson like their own son. They love Michael Jordan, Jerry Rice, and Oprah. It would take these people 2 seconds to see the image of JRB, ascertain that she was being picked on, and rally completely to her side.
If JRB is as sharp as I think/hope she is, and as poised and as dignified, her nomination might be nuclear good. I love the idea of McConnell. His nomination would make me ecstatic. But JRB is brilliant political jujitsu.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 27, 2005 02:06 PM (zILLH)
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I can't help it. Everytime I look at JRB, I see Wanda Sykes! That COULD be a good thing.
Posted by: Casca at October 27, 2005 02:12 PM (qBTBH)
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CASCA, I have come over to your way of thinking, She was a stalking horse.
ANNIKA, The Supreams might spend many years of their life thinking about constitutional issues but it sure does not show. Any idiot with half an education can see that McCain-Fiengold was an a priori imposition upon political speach, the very type of speach most protected by the constitution, yet five of them still got it wrong. I wanted to slap them (and the president) and yell "What part of congress shall make no law do you not understand!".
Posted by: Kyle N at October 27, 2005 02:15 PM (d1AI3)
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Janice
How she sat there,
the time right inside a (formerly liberal) place
so wrong it was ready.
That trim name with
its dream of a bench
to rest on. Her sensible robe.
Doing nothing was the doing:
the clean flame of her gaze
carved by a camera flash.
How she stood out
when they bent down to retrieve
their dignity. That courtesy.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 27, 2005 02:18 PM (zILLH)
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Let's nominate Olsen and rear the head of 9/11 once more.
As far as gcotharn's comments,
they cannot be comfortable with the idea of mixed race marriages
I like to think Texas is changing, but since I've moved here anytime I've gone out with a black girl I've definitely felt that vibe, and it is specifically reserved for black people. And I'm in dallas, so I hate to think what it is like out in the countryside, though I've heard stories. Still it is quite often just a vibe, people don't say anything beyond non-descript politeness.
Posted by: Scof at October 27, 2005 02:54 PM (RvrGB)
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Annika, yes at least one of his staffers may very well read you. Nothing gives a truer picture of the real opinions of Americans than their own words. The "wheat" in the blogosphere is pretty thin compared to the "chaff", and it doesn't take much more than a regular dose of solid thinking/writing to rise above the chaff.
Hi Karl!
Posted by: Desert Cat at October 27, 2005 04:49 PM (B2X7i)
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SCOF, I live in Houston and see mixed rqace couples all the time. It's no big deal here.
Posted by: Kyle N at October 27, 2005 05:15 PM (d1AI3)
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I wish I hadn't brought up race. I was thinking/writing fast on a deadline. My opinion: mixed couples are just fine with the large majority of Texans. I do find it odd, though, when an occasional person who I consider wonderful in every respect, and who I just know would run into a burning car to save a black child, will express discomfort with mixed couples.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 27, 2005 05:30 PM (zILLH)
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Yeah I've seen more and more here too Kyle, but I still hold out poor hope for people's private opinions. Like I said, I ain't seen much whenever I've been in an applicable situation, but still...
Posted by: Scof at October 27, 2005 05:36 PM (Gnqv5)
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There's all this talk about the Republican base and the conservative base of the Republican Party, and the conservative base of the president and how it's important to play to the base and please the base and fawn over the base.
And look what it gets President Bush: It just gets him a kick in the rear. That's what they've done to him, and they've done it to him at a time when he's vulnerable, and they've done it at the expense of a perfectly fine human being.
The extremist nature of modern Republicanism laid bare for all to see.
Posted by: Ghost Dansing at October 27, 2005 05:50 PM (kbKHY)
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Aw shit GD, can't you get anything right? We kicked him in the nutz! And he had it commin'. Just as Clint observed in "Unforgiven", "We all got it commin' kid."
OMG, if there is anyone more unassailable than a black woman, it is the surviving spouse of Barbara Olsen! OMG, the humanity!! Rend the curtain and let his story be told!!!
Posted by: Casca at October 27, 2005 07:20 PM (qBTBH)
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Guys like durbin dont give a fuck that his wife died on 9/11. He'll probably say she was the 20th hijacker.
Posted by: annika at October 27, 2005 07:32 PM (ubdvk)
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I know! It will once again unmask them, like that lying fucktard's funeral in Minnesotta. It's the only thing that gets through to the "undecided vote". God DOES have a sense of humor, Mwahahahaha.
Posted by: Casca at October 27, 2005 08:07 PM (qBTBH)
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If being a pragmatist makes one a racist and a sexist, I guess I am one. Funny, I never thought of that myself.
Nah, the truth is that if he puts JRB up, it is in the face of the Shumer/Leahy/Kennedy death squad. I think he's spoiking for a fight now, and he may do it.
They take her down, they lose the midterms across the board, maybe we get to 60. They'll have to filibuster to do it. What will the 7 from the gang of 14 do? Stay tuned.
More accurately, I am a Palisadian, although my address may be Santa Monica, it is because the US Post Office does not observe city boundaries and insists on my address being that, despite the fact that I live in the Pacific Palisades and know how to laugh like a man.
Posted by: shelly at October 28, 2005 01:18 AM (6mUkl)
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OK, I've been thinking about Ted Olson.
He is one smart guy. Early in my career I had some interplay with him when he was in Los Angeles, and he is right on the money most of the time.
No one can doubt his deep steeping in the Constitution; Hell, Bush v. Gore ran the gamut all by itself, not to mention the tons of cases he's argued as Solicitor General.
But, I think he's about 65 or so, maybe too old to waste the seat on.
And there's the sexist, racist stuff; no danger to the Dem's to take him on and lose some constituency.
I'd be surprised to seee Bush go with him, but surely not disappointed.
I'm still hoping for JRB and the fight, but guessing one of the Ediths or some other possessor of the magic part.
Posted by: shelly at October 28, 2005 07:39 AM (6mUkl)
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Well, since you started out by whining like a beatch, it's hard to tell.
There is no cause and effect relationship between blacks in government, and the 90% black democrat voting block. Nobody votes 90% for one party or candidate. That's the product of the real voter fraud going on in this country, and will be overturned by the law which takes hold in January that requires all voter records to be computerized.
Posted by: Casca at October 28, 2005 09:25 AM (qBTBH)
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Can we talk about something really important? What do you think about the 30pt spread Wazoo is getting this weekend? They've got a shitty record, but have been in the hunt until the last snap all season.
Posted by: Casca at October 28, 2005 09:31 AM (qBTBH)
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Annika, perhaps a Supreme Court haiku contest is in order, lol.
Posted by: Mark at October 28, 2005 10:50 AM (Vg0tt)
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OPPORTUNITY
And yet: "Not Prudent". Oh Dad!
DNA echoes.
Brave Bush. Protective.
Called to big issues, by God.
All else pragmatic.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 28, 2005 02:16 PM (zILLH)
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What SC needed was a reality check; they got it this week with the (BCS Bullshit Computer System)ranking Texas ahead by a pubic hair.
Watch for them to blow Washington out of the Coliseum tomorrow. They are pissed, and they've moved some guys to corner to help out. Pete's been redesigning the D backfield strategy, due to the picking on thing.
I'm laying the points (I took them last week and gotlucky)this week.
Is OSU still playing football?
Posted by: shelly at October 28, 2005 02:30 PM (6mUkl)
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Let's see, WaZoo lost their last three games by a total of 10 pts to UCLA, Stanford, and Cal. They are easily better than their 0&4 record. I don't see your heros beating them by 30. They put 30 on the board against Cal in one half last week.
Upset of the week? Georgia over FL, bet the moneyline.
Posted by: Casca at October 28, 2005 02:59 PM (qBTBH)
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I rarely hear people talking about pac10 football out here in dallas, so I had to drop in my 2 cents about Arizona football: please please win some more. That is all.
Posted by: Scof at October 28, 2005 03:34 PM (ylwBl)
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BTW, I hope someone talks to Harriet about that eyeliner.
She was a couple of weeks early for Halloween.
Posted by: shelly at October 28, 2005 08:17 PM (6mUkl)
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NOW, you go for the ad hominum!
And she's ugly too.
Posted by: Casca at October 28, 2005 08:30 PM (qBTBH)
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Whhheeeet!
Fifteen yards for piling on (and redundancy).
Posted by: shelly at October 29, 2005 06:49 AM (6mUkl)
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"I don't see your heros beating them by 30. They put 30 on the board against Cal in one half last week."
Whoops. Covered in the first half. Ten yards for being dense.
"Upset of the week? Georgia over FL, bet the moneyline."
Whoops. Wrong again, Henry. Fifteen more yards for inappropriate selection.
Better stick to SCOTUS picking.
Posted by: shelly at October 30, 2005 05:18 AM (6mUkl)
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Samuel A. Alito Jr., J. Michael Luttig, Priscilla R. Owen, Alice M. Batchelder, Janice Rogers Brown, Edith Brown Clement, Edith Hollan Jones, Larry D. Thompson, J. Harvie Wilkinison, Theodore B. Olson, John Cornyn, Alberto Gonzales, Emilio Garza. What a bench!
Just to throw in a favorite son, how about Ronald George of California, our Chief Justice?
Luttig is the closest to John Roberts as a candidate; Alito is the safest bet for the conservative base.
Brown, Clement and Jones are women.
Thompson and Brown are black, Garza and Gonzales are brown.
Ron George and Ted Olson are longshots, but possible. Both are confirmable.
I'm hoping for Luttig or Alito. Alito is the closest to Scalia. He's my man.
I have backtracked from the vagina/color theory. Now, we just need a fight we can win and and a good solid thinker who can move the rest of the court in the right (no pun intended) direction.
Alito will be named tomorrow by POTUS.
Shumer will whine, Leahy will threaten, Kennedy will burp and bloviate. Too bad Daschle is gone; he would have been sad, sad, sad. Reid will try to be Daschle.
Alito will be confirmed with about the same amount of votes as was Roberts. The court will take a step to the right.
The President's numbers will start to climb back, and will be bolstered by the confirmation and then the election in Iraq.
Posted by: shelly at October 30, 2005 05:31 PM (6mUkl)
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nice pick, Shelly. Who do you like in tonight's game?
Posted by: annika at October 31, 2005 02:04 PM (zAOEU)
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Sorry Annie:
I'm not following pro football, except the Raiders. My favorite team is whoever they are playing that week.
Tonight I was trick or treating with some grandkids, and had no time for Steelers or Colts, both of whom appear to suck. 11 1/2 doesn't look too good right now.
Don't know why Casca would laugh, but at least it isn't a teeheehee thing.
Posted by: shelly at October 31, 2005 07:51 PM (6mUkl)
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Fucker, another year of trick or treating without a mask eh? hehehhehe
Posted by: Casca at October 31, 2005 07:59 PM (qBTBH)
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I've long suspected that Casca was a girl, the clues are all there. The Annika's Bitch thing, the laugh, ...
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MEDIA CELEBRATES 2000th US MILITARY DEATH
With a collective sigh of orgasmic release, the US Media today celebrated the 2000th military death since the beggining of the Iraq War. In the past week or so, you could almost feel the tension mounting as various anti-American news outlets such as CNN, CBS, NBC and ABC finalized their preparations for today's festivities.
Media hopes are high for a multi-orgasmic week, with many journalists openly speculating that Karl Rove may be indicted before the weekend.
"I haven't felt this good since we hit 1000 dead guys," said one giddy newsanchor, who chose to remain anonymous. "People around the newsroom are positively glowing today. And if Rove gets it, man, I'm gonna need a cigarette. Whew."
In a related story, something or other happened with some election they had over there recently.
Developing . . .
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Because 2000 Americans were murdered last year in California, I am calling on America to withdraw all police from California.
These police should be sent to Iraq where it is much safer for Americans.
Posted by: Jake at October 25, 2005 05:49 PM (r/5D/)
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I've always said these reporters are animals. I can't help but feel less and less inclined to even watch the
local news.
Posted by: tesco at October 25, 2005 06:24 PM (c0E+O)
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This is the media's neo-"Tet" coverage that is supposed to herald our utter defeat. Fuck 'em.
Instapundit has good link about this:
http://www.facesfromthefront.com/content/view/137/3/
Posted by: reagan80 at October 25, 2005 07:35 PM (K9tdw)
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I was utterly fuzzbuckled to see Democratic Senators, including Patrick Leahy and Frank Lautenberg, rise on the floor of the Senate and commemorate the 2000th death by calling for the U.S. to withdraw our troops from Iraq. I just... bizzafutz... I don't want to get started. FUCKERS. Everything about the Democratic Senators' actions - on several levels - infuriates me. These guys, these corrupt adolescents, CANNOT BE ALLOWED TO GAIN CONTROL OF OUR GOVERNMENT.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 25, 2005 08:26 PM (zILLH)
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One of the greatest disappointments of my life was watching the American people elect a quintessentially feckless corrupt free-loader entirely representative of his party, and the disloyal left whom we had to drag through the cold war while they sniped at us from the rear. It was a repudiation of all those who sacrificed so much.
That's why I always look forward to the next revolution. Canada's largest influx of population was Whigs running for their lives after the last revolt.
Posted by: Casca at October 25, 2005 11:23 PM (qBTBH)
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I found it telling how for the last couple of weeks most reports of U.S. casualties did not report the actual number of casualties but instead reported it as "closing in on", "nearing", or "approaching 2000."
Posted by: shugbear at October 26, 2005 06:23 AM (U7X+u)
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and we're not talking combat deaths either!
any ol' death will do as long as it is an American servicemember overseas.
some of these people do not deserve the rights and benefits the military ensures they retain.
grrrrrrrrr.
Posted by: jcrue at October 26, 2005 09:17 AM (ZDQoM)
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I fully agree with your assessment of the biased-as-ever media.
However, I am very disheartened by the fact that despite all of the rhetoric pouring out of the White House, we don't appear to be gaining any meaningful ground in Iraq (in terms of US casualties).
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ops/iraq_casualties.htm
...and this is coming from a staunch supporter of this administration, and this war (me)...
I'm finding it harder and harder each day to maintain my support in the face of what appears to be a flailing administration at this point; with the blatant crony-ism in Miers, the failure of Social Security reform, spending restraint, and the lack of the conservative/republican ideal of a limited government, the environment issues, etc. This in addition to the lack of concrete positive steps forward in Iraq as I mentioned before.
The stance President Bush took and apparently thinks are important (abortion, and gay marriage, stem-cells) don't resonate at all in me.
Where do I look for hope, my fellow conservatives?
Posted by: Rob at October 26, 2005 10:03 AM (OeHNk)
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I'm appalled by the fixation myself; I don't get it -- just like it's been said, the 2000th American death in Iraq is just as important as the first and will be just as important as the last.
Posted by: Amy Bo Bamy at October 26, 2005 01:31 PM (kxatG)
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CASCA SEZ:That's why I always look forward to the next revolution. Canada's largest influx of population was Whigs running for their lives after the last revolt.
I'm with ya bro, when we take over there's gonna be a lot of guys on meathooks.
Posted by: Kyle N at October 26, 2005 03:17 PM (q9xP6)
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2,000 dead is a milestone, especially considering in the run-up to this debacle it was being sold to the American sheeple largely on the basis of presuming it would be nearly bloodless. The REAL story however is the showcase of American "military" weakness that this farce in Iraq has become and its potential ramifications. The U.S. "military" is a laughingstock, totally stymied by a poorly-armed rag-tag guerilla force several times smaller than itself, especially disgraceful is the U.S.'s pusillanimous over-reliance on air power instead of the fundamentals of ground combat. When someone slams a door loudly or when a car backfires they duck and call for air support. "Oh no, it's an 80-year-old Iraqi woman in a wheelchair with a musket! We need air support!!" "Look out, I see a crippled Iraqi man hobbling towards us in a threatening manner and he's got a sharp piece of glass! Call in the helicopter gunships!!" The world is laughing at your cowardice America. Any infantry that upon encountering a handful of poorly-armed Rebels doesn't attack them using fire & maneuver tactics but instead hides and calls in air support does not deserve to be called infantry. Infantry is the backbone of any army and without that you got nuthin'. The U.S. high command has given up hope of militarily defeating the insurgency and is now settling for trying to whittle down the Rebel forces somewhat so they can claim to believe the puppet "Iraqi" sellouts will be able to handle them so the U.S. can make an exit. Disgraceful, like the "Vietnamization" scheme all over again. Notice how all the "operations" it launches in Iraq are "hit and run" pinprick "operations" just designed to (they hope) disrupt Rebel activities? Notice how many cities like Ramadi and Haditha and Husaybah are Rebel strongholds and the U.S. knows it but is too weak to try to clear them out of those cities and occupy them? Notice how the so-called "world's only superpower", after two and a half years in Iraq still doesn't control the airport road in Baghdad? Pretty humbling isn't it? You'd better thank your lucky stars that America isn't up against a REAL enemy army like that of North Korea or China or Iran because they'd croak 2,000 Amerifags in an afternoon. The U.S. "Army" and "Marine Corps" would be a grease spot. America had better stick to picking on places like Panama and Grenada because that's about all that it can handle.
Posted by: Allen at October 27, 2005 10:10 AM (6/LqO)
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This is what I take away from your screed:
If a crippled Iraqi man is hobbling towards me in a threatening manner, and is carrying a sharp piece of glass, I should double-tap center mass with my M-16. Calling in a helicopter gunship would be a waste of ammunition.
Well, I agree. Can't we all get along?
Posted by: gcotharn at October 27, 2005 11:18 AM (zILLH)
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I'm impressed, Allen.
That is, by far, the largest single paragraph I have ever seen on this blog.
The fact that it is also the most idiotic is icing on the cake for me.
Thank you for wasting a small part of my life.
Posted by: Rob at October 27, 2005 12:13 PM (OeHNk)
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"The U.S. high command has given up hope of militarily defeating the insurgency and is now settling for trying to whittle down the Rebel forces somewhat so they can claim to believe the puppet 'Iraqi' sellouts will be able to handle them so the U.S. can make an exit."
Iraqi troops and police are "sellouts" for trying to defend their fledgling democratic gov't from terrorists?
This reminds of the Jan. 30 comment fiskings at the Democratic Underground.....
["Where are the freedom fighters today? Are their voices silenced because some American puppets cast a few ballots?"
-- 8,000,000 ballots. Turns out most Iraqis are... "American puppets?"
"I can't believe the Iraqis are buying into this "democracy" bullshit."
-- sorry, fellah, down here on Planet Reality, most people want democracy. Including Arabs.
"Maybe they're afraid and felt they had to vote. That's the only way I can explain it to myself."
-- since they were threatened with death if they _did_ vote, there's a bit of a contradiction there.
In fact, they put on their festive clothes and in many cases danced to the polls, elevating their fingers to defy the "insurgents" who'd threatened to kill anyone whose finger was marked with the ink showing they'd voted.
"Becuase if it's not--and if the Iraq vote is seen as a success that spread "freedom"--the world is screwed."
-- let's see... the world is screwed if democracy spreads among the theocrats, kleptocrats, and general tyrants characteristic of the Middle East.
Run that one by me again?
Now let's sponsor elections in Saudi Arabia. I would just love to see the Saudi princelings in exile, clipping their coupons and complaining about how the Americans betrayed them.
"they only increase the fight and take down those who betrayed their country today by voting in this fraud election."
-- you want to kill off 8,000,000 Iraqis? Awesome, dude.]
"The U.S. "military" is a laughingstock, totally stymied by a poorly-armed rag-tag guerilla force several times smaller than itself, especially disgraceful is the U.S.'s pusillanimous over-reliance on air power instead of the fundamentals of ground combat."
How many battles with out troops have you heard about on the news lately have involved thousands, or even hundreds, of "rebels" on the OFFENSIVE against our troops? How many Khe Sanh-styled sieges have our troops faced in Iraq? Where'e today's Dien Bien Phu? All I hear about our troops facing are sporatic car bombings, IED's, sniping, and....wait for it....
"Notice how all the "operations" it launches in Iraq are "hit and run" pinprick "operations" just designed to (they hope) disrupt Rebel activities?"
....."hit and run" attacks just designed to (they hope) disrupt Iraqi democratic and reconstruction activities. Wow, the strength of our superior enemies has us quaking in our boots!
"Pretty humbling isn't it? You'd better thank your lucky stars that America isn't up against a REAL enemy army like that of North Korea or China or Iran because they'd croak 2,000 Amerifags in an afternoon."
It's funny that you mention China because, after the 1991 Gulf War, the Chi-Coms crapped their collective pants.
Wikipedia says:
[The People's Republic of China (whose army in many ways resembled the Iraqi army) was surprised at the performance of American technology on the battlefield. The swiftness of the coalition victory resulted in an overall change in Chinese military thinking and began a movement to technologically modernize the People's Liberation Army.]
You should check Strategy Page more often:
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20051025.aspx
You shouldn't be talking about our military's "weakness" since I'm sure that you live in a self-destructing welfare state with an atrophied defense force that would'nt survive a campaign against the Vatican, fucktard.
Posted by: reagan80 at October 27, 2005 12:27 PM (K9tdw)
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Reagan, don't stop to kick every barking dog. Clearly, Allen's ancestors were some of those who ran North.
Posted by: Casca at October 27, 2005 01:56 PM (qBTBH)
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i'm with Rob. i could spend a half hour explaining why Allen's comment is a collossal display of ignorance. Or i could choose to use my time more constructively, knowing that most of my visitors don't need to me to point out the stupidity of that comment.
Posted by: annika at October 27, 2005 01:56 PM (zAOEU)
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Hey There -
I really think you guys are way off the deep end. Your point seems to be "why be upset about 2,000 service men dead? Who Cares? No Big Deal. I mean I might be upset when there are 20,000 - but 2,000 just does not matter."
Is there some way that you can honor the dead, and their families, without acting like it's a political thing. Two Thousand families hurt, maybe destroyed, is worth mourning, not mocking.
Posted by: bbbustard at October 28, 2005 04:58 PM (6krEN)
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bbbustard,
A sincere point.
I plan to honor our fallen heroes by mocking Allen.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 28, 2005 05:03 PM (zILLH)
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gcotham -
Mocking an Allen is totally appropriate. Whatever you think of the war, calling U.S. troops, living wounded or dead, "Amerifags" like Allen does is really, really sick.
Posted by: bbbustard at October 29, 2005 02:49 PM (6krEN)
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gcotharn - apologies for getting your name wrong.
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October 24, 2005
Greenspan Successor Prediction
On Mondays, it's customary for me to make predictions. Bush is about to
name Alan Greenspan's successor today, so here's my prediction:
Bush will name Zahira Zahir as the new chairman of the Federal Reserve Board.
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Posted by: M at October 24, 2005 09:21 AM (Vg0tt)
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Did the same guy who gives you your Monday night football picks give you this one?
Posted by: shelly at October 24, 2005 09:21 AM (6mUkl)
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Ben Bernanke is my best guess...former Fed Governor and now White House Advisor.
Anyone see a pattern here?
Posted by: shelly at October 24, 2005 09:24 AM (6mUkl)
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The only words I want to hear from this guy is; "I will be an exact clone of Alan Greenspan"
Posted by: kyle at October 24, 2005 04:38 PM (GAoVv)
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Lawrence Kudlow a former Reagan economic adviser had this to say about Ben Bernanke:
"In my view it is a good choice. Though Mr. Bernanke is not a hardcore advocate of the price rule, he does favor an inflation target, which is the second best option. Noteworthy is the fact that in recent speeches he has emphasized the slow and steady 2 percent zone of core inflation and inflation less energy. So he is not as militant as some of the crazed Fed presidents.
Bernanke does watch financial market indicators such as the inflation-adjusted Treasury bond and the TIPS spread.
Bernanke will also support an extension of BushÂ’s tax cuts for capital gains and dividends, and he has told me in the past that raising tax rates would only harm the economy.
He is widely respected in the economics profession as a former chairman of the Princeton Economics Department.
Thank heavens that Fed board member Donald Kohn, who is a demand-sider and a Phillips Curver, did not get the nod".
I like Kudlow so I should like Ben Bernanke.
Posted by: Jake at October 24, 2005 06:20 PM (r/5D/)
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Now, now, BEhave! One whacky appointment does not a presidency make.
AAAAAAA fuck, I'm making chili, and i just rubbed cayenne in my eye, fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck!
In any case, Harriet will retire from the field in a week or two. She HAD to be the stalking horse.
Posted by: Casca at October 24, 2005 06:29 PM (qBTBH)
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OK, I agree with Casca on this one. She may not withdraw, but I don't think she's got the votes to get confirmed.
Next is Edith Jones, or Gonzales.
Posted by: shelly at October 24, 2005 06:40 PM (6mUkl)
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Notice that one of us picked Bernake BEFORE the announcement.
Modesty prevents me from naming that person.
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Posted by: Casca at October 24, 2005 08:32 PM (qBTBH)
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in the immortal words of Bill Murray:
"Barnakey! He still owes me money!"
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October 06, 2005
Quick Note On The Speech
Bravo, at long last, thank you.
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Jeez, the man hasn't even finsihed yet, but you're right. This is the Bill Clinton bitchslap, and covers all of the nabobs of negativism. Wipes out Katrina & Meirs as issues in one fell swoop.
Oooooooo, paraphrased Reagan, and took Clinton to the hoop, "are they more safe or less safe". Damn this is classic.
Posted by: Casca at October 06, 2005 07:41 AM (qBTBH)
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Speech? OMFG, WHAT SPEECH?!?!! Did Bush finally make a Reagan-esque oratory to cheer me up?! Where can I see this?! FUCKING TELL ME BEFORE I KILL ALL TEH GODDAMN LIBS IN MY DORM!!!!11one
Posted by: reagan80 at October 06, 2005 09:48 AM (K9tdw)
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Rush all over it on the radio show now. He kicked A-double-scribble and took name-single-scribble!
Ooo-rah!
Posted by: Thomas C. Wyld at October 06, 2005 10:13 AM (qmjZ7)
Posted by: reagan80 at October 06, 2005 10:25 AM (K9tdw)
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The response immediately afterwards by the talking heads was uniformly classic too, "These are not the droids you're looking for". Dana Priest, and Gen. McCaffrey, "There's nothing new here."
Posted by: Casca at October 06, 2005 11:21 AM (qBTBH)
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It reached the dssired audience; no one gives a shit what the talking heads are saying.
The speech was a precursor of things to come.
he's tired of being beat up.
Stand back! They're rolling out the big guns for the November vote.
Betcha we gain...
Posted by: shelly at October 06, 2005 01:03 PM (6mUkl)
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I can only say, Why did he wait so long for a speach like this, and why not in a prime time big forum?
Posted by: Kyle N at October 06, 2005 02:50 PM (3Yf+L)
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All and all ya gotta say this speech was a rank smelling sack of jingoistic slogans and revisionist history. Total crap.
A few of the stunning lies and deceptions and revisions:
"At the time of our Falluja operations 11 months ago, there were only a few Iraqi army battalions in combat. Today there are more than 80 Iraqi army battalions fighting the insurgency alongside our forces."
Although during Senate sub-committee testimony last week general Meyers said there is one battalion ready to fight successfully on its own. 80 in poor shape and name only.
"Throughout history, tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that murder is justified to serve their grand vision. And they end up alienating decent people across the globe."
Yea, so? What makes him any different? You donÂ’t think 20 000 Iraqi civilians were murdered by the US invasion?
"The United States, working with Great Britain, Pakistan and other nations, has exposed and disrupted a major black market operation in nuclear technology led by A.Q. Khan.
"An operation that was known to Masharef (sp) and was allowed to continue and when we discovered it no sanctions or punitive action was taken against Pakistan."
"Like the ideology of communism, our new enemy teaches that innocent individuals can be sacrificed to serve a political vision. And this explains their cold-blooded contempt for human life"
And what temperature is the Pinheads contempt for innocent life? Fucking hypocrite!
"The militants are aided as well by elements of the Arab news media that incite hatred and anti-Semitism, that feed conspiracy theories and speak of so-called "American war on Islam" with seldom a word about American actions to protect Muslims in Afghanistan, Bosnia, Somalia, Kosovo, Kuwait and Iraq."
He conveniently forgets to mention the millions of Muslims killer in the Iraq-Iran war that we promoted
"The government of Russia did not support Operation Iraqi Freedom, and yet militants killed more than 180 Russian schoolchildren in Beslan."
He conveniently forgets to mention the Russian struggle in Chechnya with Muslim extremists which predates 911 by years. Duh!
I am too sick to my gut to continue. Needless to say, this man is evil incarnate masquerading as a dumb chimp.
Posted by: Strawman at October 06, 2005 07:29 PM (0ZdtC)
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I'm so glad that strawman took the time to type all that up so I could read the first lines and then ignore the rest. Hope you like talking to yourself.
Posted by: TBinSTL at October 06, 2005 07:47 PM (Vq/8g)
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Shhhhhhhhhhh, TB, don't let him know that nobody reads it but Matt & Shelly.
Posted by: Casca at October 06, 2005 08:52 PM (qBTBH)
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Two things especially stuck with me, and might be long remembered from the speech:
1) "That is a dangerous illusion." - used to describe the, well, dangerous illusion that we can withdraw into our geographic cave and remain safe.
2) "He never goes along for the ride." - used to describe Bin Laden's penchant for encouraging others to martyr themselves.
There was lots of other wonderful stuff, and I found myself saying "hell yeah" as I listened to it. However, I think "dangerous illusion" and "along for the ride" are what will resonate with Middle America.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 06, 2005 11:27 PM (yCxJo)
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Actually, I'm hoping "along for the ride" will resonate with the Middle Middle East. Many in the Middle East will read about this speech. The speech was partially targeted towards them, and it should have an impact. Bush is a player, and the world pays attention.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 06, 2005 11:31 PM (yCxJo)
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Dictionary definition of a "Buckeye"- "A worthless nut, with soft meat inside".
Posted by: shelly at October 07, 2005 02:05 AM (6mUkl)
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Not everyone has the skillset to stumble in after midnight, AND write something that makes sense. I'd also advise not calling people and telling them what you REALLY think at that hour.
Besides, anyone who thinks that a Buckeye is a worthless nut has obviously never thrown one at his brother. They happen to be just the right weight to cause pain yet not draw blood, and they're too big to put-out-an-eye.
Posted by: Casca at October 07, 2005 04:37 AM (qBTBH)
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Great as the POTUS speech was, I sure liked the ROLLING STONES better! Caught their show in Charlottesville, Virginia, last night. Mick and the boys were spot on -- and their grace and rock spirit lasted thru a phony bomb threat that unseated a huge chunk of fans and halted the concert for more than a half-hour.
Yeah, yeah, it was only rock and roll, but I liked it!
"Tom"
Rocker himself -- but just a schmo in a choir
Posted by: Thomas C. Wyld at October 07, 2005 05:20 AM (iES8o)
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Good New===========!Flash+++++++++++
"President Bush said to all of us: 'I'm driven with a mission from God.
`God would tell me, `George, go and fight those terrorists in Afghanistan'.'
"And I did, and then God would tell me, `George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq...' And I did.
"`And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, `Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East.' And by God I'm gonna do it.
I can rest easy now that I know for sure we are on a divinely inspired track in iraq and elswhere.
We always new he was ignorant and dim witted (and proud of it) and we always suspected he was answering to a higer authority, because he has none of his own, so this is really not big news. We thought it was ROve but who knew he though more of god.
I am sure there are going to be droves of right minded americans, red state gun toters, compassion enhanced justice seekers who will roll their eyes, put down their beers and spit.
And Shelly thinks the mid terms are going to be a gain for the forces of compassion, civility and honesty.
Shelly, you having experience in the law and all, and having a passing aquaintance with Orin, maybe you can explain to me why ROve and Libby still have jobs? Did the pinhead not say he would fire anybody involved in the Plame affair? And didn't McClennen dismiss as "crazy" the notion the Rove would have talked to anyone about this women? I don't get it? I thought a he was bringing a new era of openness and honesty to the White House? But alas, this white house appears to be full of rats and voles scurrying in and out of stinking mounds of religious slag don'tcha think? Unless you know something I don't.
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Posted by: Strawman at October 07, 2005 09:17 AM (0ZdtC)
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i like that
vole reference. You don't see many vole references these days.
: )
Posted by: annika at October 08, 2005 07:59 AM (7mB+o)
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Anni,
We are committed to a wide spectrum of animal references. Its a Brooklyn thing.
BTW, did you see the eyes on that little fella?
Is there someone who sits behind a big desk in an oval shaped office with the same eys or what! Dead on. Or brain dead on if you like.
Posted by: Strawman at October 08, 2005 08:33 AM (0ZdtC)
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October 04, 2005
Just A Little Pet Peeve
i was listening to Hugh Hewitt's show on the way home tonight and i heard a conservative caller from San Francisco say something that really bothered me. The caller paraphrased Bush the Elder's response to criticism that he had flip-flopped on his famous "voodoo economics" quote after Reagan selected him for VP. Supposedly, G.H.W. Bush said something to the effect that "Before Reagan picked me I owed him my discretion, afterwards I owed him my loyalty." The gist of the caller's analogy was that we conservatives owe the president our loyalty, i.e. our trust.
We owe him no such thing. i voted for president Bush twice. He serves at my pleasure and at the pleasure of the American voter. i don't owe him or any other politician my loyalty. On the contrary, they owe me. That is our system of government. i just want this to be clear, because i think most Americans suffer from a fundamental misunderstanding of the most basic philosophy by which our nation was founded. It's not just a cute little theory that some old guys in powdered wigs made up. I believe it is Truth.
Do these words sound familiar?
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. [emphasis added]
In other words,
they work for
us. If any loyalty is owed, it is owed
by the government, including the executive,
to the people. We hold all the cards because we have
rights, which come from God Almighty. The government has no
rights, only
powers, which come from us.
So anyone who says i owe my loyalty, or my trust to any government official, evan a president whom i like a lot, is simply mistaken and needs to take a refresher course in American History, preferably by a professor who knows what he's talking about.
Now i'm just taking the long way around, to make a minor semantic point. But these things do piss me off because i often wonder how people can be so dense.
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Technically you're right. Practically, you're wrong. There's a war out there, and we are on one side of it, whether we want to be or not. He's our general, good, bad, or ugly. We don't have to love him right or wrong. We can be disappointed, pissed even, but we're not going to go support the midnight channel swimmer Ted.
Posted by: Casca at October 04, 2005 08:12 PM (qBTBH)
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Annie:
If you are talking about me, let me clarify. You do not OWE George W. Bush anything, but you OWE yourself the opportunity to at least wait for the hearings to see what you can learn about the woman to whom he has entrusted his place in history.
I have enough faith in his choice, one made based upon vastly more knowledge of the individual than most appointments, that my President, the guy to whom I entrusted my sacred vote, my money and my name, will make the right choice.
Remember these words: "...our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor..."?
Our Founders trusted each other; I choose to place my trust in God and his present messenger who is delivering us from Evil. Remember, it could have been Gore or Kerry.
Me, I like it right where it is right now. My prediction is (liberally quoting Rich Galen in Mullings)that the Liberals will cool to her and the Conservatives will warm, but we shall see.
Posted by: shelly at October 04, 2005 08:17 PM (6mUkl)
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Great point Annie. There is something deraded on the nationalist right these days that wants to engage in a sort of hero-worship of Bush. Not only is he in particular unworthy of such praise, but such treatment is anathema to our Republican traditions.
Further, on this choice in particular, it is owed no deference whatsoever. There are hundreds of other more obviously qualified people than Miers and there is no other reason to assume Bush picked her other than a strong personal working relationship and friendship and the fact she's a woman. That relationship is completely irrelevant to her task as an independent judge with life tenure, and it requires one to suspend reason to think this person with no signficant government, academic, writing, or other appellate and constitutional credentials is up to the challenge. The choice of Miers is sickening.
Posted by: Roach at October 05, 2005 07:30 AM (MRlvg)
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Speaking of Professor Hewitt.....is it just me, or will he defend anything the Bush Administration does? At times, he appears mortified by the possibility of diverse opinions on the Right. He talks the talk about "a big tent" yada yada yada. But listen to his show and pay attention to how he responds to conservatives who don't tow the Republican party line. Regardless if the person makes a reasonable argument, he will respond like the person suggested 2 + 2 = 5. Don't get me wrong, I like and usually agree with Hugh; but,personally, I find Medved and Praeger to be more interesting and provacative.
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October 03, 2005
Supreme Court Pick
i know everybody's been patiently waiting for my opinion on this chick Bush picked for Supreme Court. i wanted to read a little bit about her and listen to some other opinions before i weighed in.
i am a little disappointed that Bush did not take my advice. i have a pretty good idea that he or one of his aides reads this blog. My advice was to pick an in-your-face conservative. My personal choice would have been either Mike McConnell or Janice Rogers Brown. i like McConnell because he's a historian, and i like Brown because she's a Californian.
Of course, if i had my way, and i could give the Supreme Court an extreme makeover, things would be way different. i imagine there would be a huge exodus of liberals from this country, and that wouldn't be such a bad thing. Except for Canada and France, that is.
If i had my way, Roe would be overturned. Kelo would be gone. The Lemon test: gone. Oregon v. Smith: gone. Fifty years of establishment clause jurisprudence: gone. i wouldn't stop there either. The exclusionary rule? History. Miranda? Toast. 1A protection for Child Porn? Dead. The Second Amendment? Reborn. Federalism? Hell yah.
Regarding Miers, i'm adopting the wait and see approach. Maybe she'll be okay. Maybe not. The whole idea about wanting a known conservative is so that members of the Republican base, like me, won't have to worry. Now we have reason to worry. Two reasons, if you count Roberts.
Another disappointment is the likelihood that we won't get rid of that stupid filibuster rule now. i wanted a fight, because i wanted the nuclear option. But it's easy to forget that Bush is at heart a conciliatory kind of guy. All this talk about him being an evil warmonger has obscured that fact. It really should be no surprise that if Bush sees a way to do something without a fight, he'll do it. Again, if it were up to me, i'd have liked to see the Senate Democrats get straight-armed on this nominee, and losing the filibuster would have been gravy.
i'm not as worried as some people are about Miers having been a Democrat. Reagan was a Democrat once too. So was my dad. Still, neither of them would have ever given money to a freak like Gore. But the real problem is that Miers is not an idealogue. And the Court can change a person; i believe that. Unless a justice has a strong belief system, i'm afraid the pressure to get along can lead to a leftward drift over time.
So, should we trust Bush's judgment on this one as Professor Hewitt counsels us to do? Well, what choice do i have? Miers will probably be confirmed easily and i will have to hope for the best. But i can't help thinking this was a wasted opportunity.
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OK, for the record. This is NOT Souter redux.
David Souter was the number two to Senator Warren Rudman when he was the AG of New Hampshire. Rudman swore on a stack of bibles that Souter was a confirmed conservative. Bush 41 trusted Rudman.
Souter wasn't and isn't. Rudman's Senatoral career came to screeching halt. He is no longer the Senator from New Hampshire.
Harriet Miers has been Bush 43's attorney for more than ten years. She counselled him in private industry and then when he was Governor.
She cleaned up the dirty Texas Lottery as his hand picked Chairwoman. She got herself elected to the Dallas City Council.
All the while, after putting herself through college and law schoiol at SMU, she got a job as the first woman in a 200 man firm that she ended up running, then merging into another 200 man firm which she co-chaired.
In her spare time she was elected the first woman president of the Dallas Bar, then, the first woman president of the Texas Bar.
When Bush went to Washington, she went with him, rising to be his counsel, replacing Alberto Gonzales when he became AG. As such, she's been vetting judges and getting them confirmed, counselling with the President about them.
Every piece of paper that gets to his desk is vetted by her.
I trust my President; I worked my ass off to get him elected and then reelected, and gave the maximum and raised a lot more.
I trust him now when he says he knows her heart.
Why doesn't every other good conservative? Because Harry Reid says he likes her? Hell, he said he liked Roberts, too, then voted against him.
I am backing Harriet Miers. Damn the torpedos.
Posted by: shelly at October 03, 2005 09:20 PM (6mUkl)
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No not Souter, more like the airhead she replaces. Pat Buchanon called her a cipher. I think that describes the intellectually dull Mandarin set who are untroubled by ideology because their connection to life is not intellectually rigorous. To borrow a phrase, they always vote at their party's call and never stop to think for themselves at all.
The upside is that she doesn't seem like the kind of gal who is interested in hobnobbing with the Washington social scene. She's a crapshoot, and that's not what we deserve.
Posted by: Casca at October 03, 2005 10:19 PM (qBTBH)
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Events have weakened this presidency to the point where the filibuster is a reality that the President must face and deal with. He has.
He knows what this woman thinks; for him it is no crapshoot, for all the reasons I set forth earlier.
Me, I'd rather have her than some of the others that he does not know. The ones about whom we could be sure, Janice Rogers Brown for one that I know personally, are not confirmable right now without further erosion of the presidency.
He's just got too much on his plate with Iraq and the hurricanes to stop and fight one out right now.
If he sails her though like I think he will, the next one, (John Paul Stevens), if and when it comes, may be the place to make the political stand. It may also be better timing for the next president, be it McCain or Guiliani, to make his case and to beat up on Hillary and the Kerry clones.
For now, I back Harriet, until I learn something really bad about her, which I deem unlikely, since she's been in the spotlight a long time without any scandal being attached to her name.
People thought Roberts was a bad choice when it began and look how it turned out. I say, trust the man, it's better than the other alternative.
Remember, he won Ohio. More than I can say for California.
Posted by: shelly at October 04, 2005 03:20 AM (6mUkl)
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CASCA, i am going to scold you now. I am not an anti-intellectual, in fact I am returning to college after many years for further education. But I don't think you have to be a graduate from an Ivory league school like most of the other justices, to be smart and know what the hell is going on. In fact, I think it refreshing to get someone with a mid-west, or southern sensibility in the court, instead of the northeast corridor thinking which has ruled everything for centuries.
Posted by: Kyle N at October 04, 2005 03:53 AM (J1uif)
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LOL, Kyle, that's what they said about O'Conner. She's a pragmatist... politically sound...
The trouble with that argument is that people who are unwedded to ideas are so for a reason. Ideas are not a part of who they are, and they never will be. Without the tether of ideology, why the whole field of maneuver is open, and one is free to embrace the sophist fancy of the moment.
As for which battles to fight... the only good of political capital is when it is spent. It is always better to fight in the first ditch than the last.
Posted by: Casca at October 04, 2005 06:17 AM (qBTBH)
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Shelly, if Bush wanted someone with State Bar experience, he should have picked you. At least one blogger would have been totally behind that pick!
Posted by: annika at October 04, 2005 06:59 AM (Ku+kp)
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Thanks Annie, I'm flattered, but you forget that I used to be a judge. I hated the regimented life and resigned after three and a half years to return to doing what I like and actually getting paid for it. So, I would not qualify, nor would I be interested. On a hot day, those robes are murder.
I know most of the California judges, know Janice better than most because of her work in the Governor's office. The travesty that occurred in the State JNE Commission during her confirmation for the State Supreme Court has haunted her even to today. Because of it, I will monitor the Commission's deliberations of the Governor's possible picks to be sure that political considerations will not enter into the ratings. Actually, the leadership of the JNE Commission today is a far cry from the old one, so we will have no further outrages, I think.
I also know Tony Kennedy. Sometimes I like him, other times I wonder why we supported him. He's not far from Sandra, and will replace her as the leader of the center, I believe.
Posted by: shelly at October 04, 2005 07:31 AM (6mUkl)
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You had me at "Roe would be overturned."
Check my blog out; I trash this chick, and as a former Dallas lawyer, I know the type all too well.
Posted by: Roach at October 04, 2005 07:34 AM (MRlvg)
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I agree with Shelly.
Annika, we don't know you very well but we know how you would vote on most issues.
Surely, Bush who has known Miers for 12 years knows how she will vote on every issue.
Posted by: Jake at October 04, 2005 08:18 AM (r/5D/)
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Jeez, I just read David Frum's piece in NRO:
http://frum.nationalreview.com/archives/09292005.asp#077899
That's all I need to know.
The President has no better friend than the vast majority of people who come to this blog. Our disappointment is not because we desire anything less than success for his administration. This is one of his greatest missteps because at a time when the dogs are at his heels, what does he do but throw his allies from the sled? These SCOTUS appointments are a defining moment of his administration.
In Churchill's words, "You were given the choice between war and dishonor. You chose dishonor, and you will have war."
Posted by: Casca at October 04, 2005 08:19 AM (qBTBH)
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Michael Savage was right. Bush is really moving to the Left.
I thought that Bush would be more Reagan-esque in his last term, but it appears that he just wants to be another Nixon or a substitute for his mediocre father's lost term.
Not only do I have to worry about Bush's apparent Supreme Court blunder, but Ann Coulter is giving me reasons to HATE Karl Rove now.
After all of these years in the political wilderness, the GOP wants to screw up their rennaissance by emulating Nixon and becoming lite Democrats. The dream of a Reaganism rebirth died on Jan. 20, 2005 even without Kerry's inauguration. When 2008 rolls around, I won't be biting my nails again over the fate of the GOP.
The GOP better hope that Hillary is the Dem's candidate because I'm thinking about staying at home on election day if she isn't.
Posted by: reagan80 at October 04, 2005 08:50 AM (K9tdw)
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I agree with every word of this post.
I think some criticism of Miers is culture-based. She comes from a southern/Christian/Texas nicey-nice culture which aims to please, and values acting like a decent person in public - as opposed to acting like an asshole. I come from the same culture. What this means is your dingbats and your hard as nails people are all walking around aiming to please and acting like decent people, because both are "the Christian thing to do." From a distance, there's absolutely no way to tell if Harriet Miers is a dingbat, or is hard as nails - except, if you trust G.W. Bush not to promote the career of a dingbat - which we have to do at this point. I'm hoping Harriet Miers will be what I originally hoped O'Connor would be - before the long O'Connor nightmare began.
All that said, I am disappointed in Bush. I believe this pick is a political move designed not to frighten the electorate of the 2006 Mid-term elections. I disagree with the "don't frighten the electorate" political strategy, and believe the Republicans would've been better off swinging haymakers in a huge political fight, then going into 2006 Mid-Terms from a position of strength. A huge political fight tends to get everyone's cards on the table. The more that happens, the better it is for the Republicans. A lot of them can't even remember what cards they have in their hand.
Posted by: gcotharn at October 04, 2005 09:32 AM (3Bn47)
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"If i had my way, Roe would be overturned. Kelo would be gone. The Lemon test: gone. Oregon v. Smith: gone. Fifty years of establishment clause jurisprudence: gone. i wouldn't stop there either. The exclusionary rule? History. Miranda? Toast. 1A protection for Child Porn? Dead. The Second Amendment? Reborn. Federalism? Hell yah."
A sincere round of applause to Annie, who understands the Constitution better than some Justices do.
Posted by: Mark at October 04, 2005 10:30 AM (Vg0tt)
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Some justices? How about most justices?
The only ones that seem to fully get it are Scalia and Thomas. I think Roberts will be a strict constructionalist as well. If Miers follows in the same mold, it sets the stage for WWIII when Stevens dies or leaves.(I hope soon)
They can still get Kennedy some of the time, but he is wobbly at best. I give up on Stevens, Souther, and the ACLU Twins.
The build up has been over the "swing vote center" of O'Connor, so try to imagine the controversy if one of the Four Horse's Asses of the Apocalypse were to leave in this administration.
Katie bar the door...
Posted by: shelly at October 04, 2005 12:37 PM (6mUkl)
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that brings up an issue i've never heard anybody talk about. The left has argued that Bush should replace moderate for moderate (i.e. O'Connor mold) and center right for center right (i.e. Rhenquist mold). The implication is that under no circumstances would the Senate Democrats accept a replacement who is to the right of the justice being replaced. How would this work if Stevens leaves and there's an opportunity to turn the ideological balance of the Court upside down? Would the left argue that Bush
must nominate a liberal? As ridiculous as that sounds, i wouldn't put it past them.
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Annika,
I am confused. Why would you wish to overturn Oregon v. Smith? It seems inconsistant with your other stands. Other than the fact that we both agree that Peyote is a cool and probably should be decriminalized, I think of you as someone who would have ruled against the two NA's and denied them UE benefits. SInce when do you think religious beliefs trump the criminal statutes or more to the point an employers right to terminate an employee for engaging in criminal behavior especially if they agreed to not imbibe as a prerequisite of employment?
I find Scalia's reasoning to be OK.
What's your problem?
Posted by: Strawman at October 04, 2005 01:56 PM (0ZdtC)
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in Smith, the court declined to give religious freedom the highest standard of judicial scrutiny. i believe the free exercise of religion is so fundamental a right, that it deserves such protection. Congress agreed, and passed the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, only to be smacked down again by the supreme court.
Posted by: annika at October 04, 2005 02:16 PM (zAOEU)
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I ALWAYS find Scalia to be persuasive.
The man's a genius and is able to simplify any issue so that even I can understand it.
Oh, to have had 60 votes this year...
Posted by: shelly at October 04, 2005 02:17 PM (6mUkl)
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Annika,
Do you remember who struck down this precious act? An act that was vigorously put forth by your pal Bill Clinton? Supremes ruled 6-3 Breyer, O'Conner, SOuter desenting.
I love that act! Actually, now that I researched it a bit the one I really love is a spin off called the Native American Graves and Repatriation Act (NAGRPA) Same difference though.
It was the basis for a suit by NA's to have the Williamette Meteroite moved from the Museum of Natural History back to Oregon where it was dug out in 1908. They claim it belonged to them, did not come from outer space and was an important part of their relgion and culture.
http://salmonriver.com/lightscience/willamettemeteorite.html
They lost the case but were granted a day each year to dance around it, commune with it and generally stay aquainted whilst it stays in place at the ROse Planetarium on 81 street. But, and this is a big one, should the Museum decide it is no longer needed it will be returned to them. Nice.
The other case that made me fall in love with this act was that of another NA tribe of the Pacific Northwest that demanded that the remains of a human "Kennewick Man" discovered in a riverbank, and determined to be 9,300 or so years old and was of non-asian decent and supported another theory of the migration of humans to the New World, be returned for reinternment. They argued sucessfully that the science be damned, that it came from a river on their land and it was one of them. The bones were reintered and the origin of this early explorer was never fully determined and the clocks ran backwards for a few days.
http://www-tech.mit.edu/V119/N52/col52schne.52c.html
I love religion and how it re-dedicates itself time and time again to the shackling of human curiosity and the quashing of human potential. Your absolutely right Anni, the practice of religion should be held back by no laws of man.
Posted by: strawman at October 04, 2005 03:09 PM (0ZdtC)
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Strawman once let his anti-religion sentiments become known in a more amusing way at Moxie's:
"And don't forget that until the people of Earth give up the idea of a supreme being in any form, nobody on the galactic council will ever vote to let us into the Federation. The council thinks the refutation of a belief in a supreme being is an important marker in evaluating the cultural evolution of a planet. Just as you think your kids are getting more sophisticated and grown up when they give up the tooth fairy and Santa Claus."
Aren't Jews supposed to be religious? Mike's Jewish, right?
Posted by: reagan80 at October 04, 2005 03:33 PM (K9tdw)
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Raygun,
Once more dedicates himmself to and renews his membership in the head up my ass and loving it society.
But seriously Ray, have your parents gotten through to you yet about the tooth fairy? I know your not old enough to have all you permanent teeth and need the money to buy the God cut of the "Passion of Christ" with commentary by Pilate and Mary and never before scenes of the blood spatter anaylized by David Caruso and Melina Kanakaredes.
I hear is it amazing.
Posted by: Strawman at October 04, 2005 03:45 PM (0ZdtC)
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Anni,
Please change precious to pernicious in my first sentence. Sorry for the confusion.
Thanks
Posted by: Strawman at October 04, 2005 03:49 PM (0ZdtC)
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Posted by: cb at October 04, 2005 04:17 PM (V2eAR)
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So, tell us how you really feel......
Posted by: reagan80 at October 04, 2005 04:21 PM (K9tdw)
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OK, Annie, some maniac has found our blog.
Do your duty.
Hit the "delete" button, immediately, if not sooner.
Posted by: shelly at October 04, 2005 04:46 PM (6mUkl)
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Damn, that reminds me. I forgot to go to the gunshow and buy ammo last week. Ah hell, I usually shoot what I'm aiming at, and I got more than I can carry anyway.
Posted by: Casca at October 04, 2005 04:53 PM (qBTBH)
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Sorry Annika,
One of my multitude of repressed personalities got the better of me for a minute. But, fear not, my sane and reasonable self is back. See how bad it could really be if I had no observing ego?
Straw.
Posted by: Strawman at October 04, 2005 04:58 PM (0ZdtC)
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Annie, looks like CB is on to us. Damm, I just got through to Karl Rove and he assured me that the guy has already been identified and the Men In Black are on the way.
Posted by: Kyle N at October 04, 2005 05:13 PM (gPomq)
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Here's two of my favorites from Von Bismarck:
"Politics is the art of the possible."
"To retain respect for laws and sausages, one must not watch either being made."
Those who are new to the process of making judges should turn off their TV's and forget about the newspapers for a while.
It is different when it is the Democrats doing the choosing, for we play the game differently. We actually measure the merit without the agenda of killing off every qualified person who is suggested due to some identifiable agenda.
I once asked Senator Orren Hatch why it was that we were so generous in our confirmations of obviously left wing liberals, and it was he who told me the above. For the Demoncrats, the end justifies the means, no matter how ugly it is getting there.
Maybe that's why we keep getting majorities elected, year after year; the people are on to them.
I hope.
Posted by: shelly at October 04, 2005 05:41 PM (6mUkl)
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Shelly,
I'm curious; what "left wing" liberal has been confirmed for anything in the past twenty years?
Posted by: Strawman at October 04, 2005 06:35 PM (0ZdtC)
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Guess you never heard of Breyer and Darth Vader Ginsburg?
Posted by: Kyle N at October 04, 2005 06:38 PM (gPomq)
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I'm more interested in Annie's Second Amendment conversion. Last I heard, Annie, you were a skeptic.
Posted by: Matt at October 04, 2005 07:33 PM (BkVa4)
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Well, yes, Breyer and Ginsburg, to name a couple of Supreme Court Justices, but also a whole bunch of 9th Circuit and other Appelate Judges, and another passel of District Court Judges.
I could name a lot more, but Richard Paez in the 9th, Bill Fletcher in the 9th, Marsha Berzon in the 9th. Kim Wardlaw in the 9th, Ray Fisher in the 9th and a passel of District Court Judges we just let go through without any shenanigans.
But, the Dems all but stopped a bunch of ours, Janice Rogers Brown, Priscilla Owen, to name a couple who benefited from the deal by the Gang of 14. It took a real threat of a nuclear option to do it.
Caroline Kuhl dropped out of the 9th appointment after being frustrated for years at being unable to get a hearing.
Judge Charles Pickering dropped out of the 5th. He was stopped cold, but Bush finally gave Pickering a recess appointment just to piss off Leahy, Kennedy and Schumer, after they stopped him twice.
And, of course, there is Robert Bork, himself, who the Democrats changed the rule from 51 to 60 votes required, just to keep off the Supreme Court.
They also damn near got Thomas.
We've never done what they have done, and I hope we never get in a position where we are on the outs again, but they are so frustrated about having no cachet in the House, the White House, or the Senate (other than an ability to filibuster with their meager 45 votes. (44 plus Jeffers).
Now, they are losing some more control of the one place where they used to make a difference, their Judicial Legislators.
So, what you see is a bitter bunch of losers, trying to protect the last liberal bastion, the refuge of liberal legislation, the Judiciary.
The liberal democrats are literally in danger of becoming the permanent minority party in the US, and one more eight year Republican President will all but wipe out their stranglehold on the courts.
Is it any wonder they fight so hard and so dirty?
Well, maybe, if they'd act a little more civil, they might appeal to more voters and actually gain some seats in the House or Senate, instead of losing more and more each election.
We shall see how this next confirmation goes, but, like I said earlier in another place in this blog, when Stevens goes, if it is in this Administration, it will be WWIII and Armageddon combined to replace that liberal old goat with someone to Bush's liking.
Katie bar the door.
Posted by: shelly at October 05, 2005 01:50 AM (6mUkl)
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September 30, 2005
San Francisco Builds A Ski Jump
This event reminds me of something Annikus Gibbon once wrote:
And the great Emperor, deaf to the woes of his people, said unto them, 'lo, let us build a great ski slope in the middle of the village, and let them jump off it with skis, and afterward, they shall have sourdough bread, and circuses.'
San Francisco is falling apart, but hey, at least they got a ski jump.
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Next year San Francisco will have white-water kayak races down that street. I can hardly wait.
Posted by: Jake at September 30, 2005 08:44 AM (r/5D/)
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Do the bums get to poop on the ski slope the way they poop in the fountains?
Posted by: Kyle N at September 30, 2005 02:27 PM (9bm/9)
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Possibly the easiest place in the world to build a ski junp, if you ignore the lack of snow.
Posted by: lonetown at September 30, 2005 02:27 PM (7jAem)
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