September 10, 2006
Today's Homily
The churches around here suck. Here's a direct quote from today's homily:
What if, instead of bombing Afghanistan, we had dropped food, medicine and ecucation?
What an idiot.
Did that priest ever stop to think that dropping food and medicine is exactly what we tried to do in Somalia? And Somalia is one of the reasons cited by Osama Bin Ladin himself for attacking us?
The problem is not the needy people in the world. It's the guys with guns that want to kill us. That priest, if he really wants to do some good, should head on over to Afghanistan himself and try to convert the Taliban. He'd either save some lives, or more likely, he'd get an education real quick.
If you want to pray for peace, try asking God to grant victory to the brave men and women fighting terrorism overseas and at home.
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The food would have been destroyed as being unclean, since it wasn't goat penis. The medicine? Shitcanned. The education? Put in a field and have howiter and RPG rounds fired at it.
Posted by: Casca at September 11, 2006 06:28 AM (Z2ndo)
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Annika,
I can't tell what you are saying about Binny and Somalia. Binny attacked us because we dropped food on Somalia or Binny attacked us for things not realated to food and Somalia.
I tried praying to god for victory and he told me that train had already left the station since spreading terror was their goal they seemed to have won. They convinced us to spend 300 billion dollars we didn't have, to get an equal number of soldiers killed as they did civilians at the WTC and the toppling of a government they hated. He thought they had done pretty well for them selves considering they used our planes and only a handfull of warriors.
What should I pray for next? Cash for the treasury? Enough bullets to kill a billion Muslims? Any hints?
Posted by: Strawman at September 11, 2006 08:18 AM (tuy00)
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I'm just impressed that Straw has a direct pipeline from God. Kinda like that actor in that one episode of Highway to Heaven, where Michael Landon said that even he didn't get to see God, even though he was an angel who'd been Melissa Gilbert's father, or something.
Posted by: Leif at September 11, 2006 08:38 AM (MKlM3)
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"What if, instead of bombing Afghanistan, we had dropped food, medicine and ecucation?"
1. How exactly does one drop "education"?
2. Re food, medicine: We
DID! Doesn't this dumbass remember? It was criticized at the time; I distinctly remember the slams on food (What Afghani eats peanut butter? The food packets are the same color as ordinance", etc.).
It's gullible to the point of being pollyannaish to think that avoiding fighting will avoid war. It merely accomplishes the opposite.
And to answer his question: What would happen? The Afghanis would still be oppressed by the Taliban. And none of us anywhere would be any safer.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at September 11, 2006 08:40 AM (DXodP)
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I'm glad to hear that Strawman is a fiscal conservative now. I'm also glad to hear that he doesn't approve of our government's liberal social engineering policies either.
Posted by: reagan80 at September 11, 2006 09:32 AM (dFOlH)
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Giving food and medicine is easy but giving education and kindness hoping that we will receive at least a bit of understanding from the other side itÂ’s the hard part. LetÂ’s pray for the best for every single being here and everywhere in the world.
Posted by: flower at September 11, 2006 01:21 PM (CX8JT)
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I always laugh out loud when I read this. From the pen of WFB, enjoy:
Writing a generation ago in his novel (Pictures from an Institution) about the adamantly fair-minded liberal faculty wife, Randall Jarrell said, "If [Flo] had been told that Benton College, and [her husband] Jerrold, and [her son] John, and [her daughter] Fern, and their furniture had been burned to ashes by the head of the American Federation of Labor, who had then sown salt over the ashes, she would have sobbed and said, at last-she could do no other-'I think that we ought to hear his side of the case before we make up our minds.'"
That's a shoutout for all the fucktards who can't see the forest for the trees.
Posted by: Casca at September 11, 2006 01:54 PM (Z2ndo)
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"What should I pray for next?"
A clue, a brain, wisdom, intellect, an education, sobriety, class, taste, spirituality, knowledge, humility, common sense, and a mind free of marxist brainwashing.
Too bad your prayers will go unanswered because you are a such a colossal ass.
Posted by: kyle8 at September 11, 2006 03:39 PM (2xr5o)
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Since you asked, Straw, I would advise you to pray for your own ass, and hope that Casca's kid and his buddies never find your address.
It is the likes of you that kills our guys overseas, just as surely as if you were there pulling the trigger on a sniper rifle or pushing a cell phone button to detonate a cowardly IED.
And, pray for our guys to overcome your stupidity and save your own worthless ass from the IED's in your hometown while you are at it.
We will spend hundreds of billions more to beat these asshoes if we have to, but beat them we will, and the cut and run group as well.
We are smarter, tougher and more determied than they, despite the albatrosses like you that we carry around our necks.
Posted by: shelly at September 11, 2006 05:17 PM (ZGpMS)
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I hope you refused the offeratory basket.
Posted by: richj at September 11, 2006 10:28 PM (Dhoqw)
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I feel for you there I have pro-illegal, pro-child molestor protecting, leftweed whacko Mahoney down here.
Posted by: the Pirate at September 11, 2006 10:59 PM (Rg0+S)
Posted by: annika at September 12, 2006 07:28 AM (qQD4Q)
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Shelly dearest,
Please stop the chest beating, threats and school yard bravado. You're an officer of the court for christ sakes. Whats next? Bearing your teeth like a big kodiak? My address is available for any that care to look whilst you are, of course, anonymous.
I think what is demonstrable is that guys like you get our children killed everyday with your armchair patriotism and careless regard for human life. And as long as it is someone elseÂ’s son or daughter you are loud and proud. You are a pontificating ass, smug and I am sure insulated from the "terrorist" fray but inoculated with fear none the less.
The only dead thing America carries around its neck is the failed policies GB and friends who have lied to you in just the way you like, the way that panders to you baser instincts. “Kill the assholes!” Very poetic and surly, too.
DonÂ’t get me wrong Shell, I like you like a brother, Casca too, and I think there truly is an enemy out there. I just don't think there is a plan for success afoot. Beating up on Iraq makes no sense. Letting Binny escape so as to not loose momentum toward Iraq was the height of cynicism, and the number of those who hate America and are committed to her destruction grows day by day. It is not necessary for there to be an Al Qaeda to organize them. Groups will affiliate spontaneously catalyzed by their rage and launch attacks as they see fit. Ten guys with hand grenades could destroy the movie industry in America if over a ten week period they blew up a theater a week. Five AliÂ’s with bags of baking soda could shut down the NYC subways every day for a week. We are not safer now, we cannot ever be safe, and that is why short of praying for a billon rounds of ammo, this whole plan of confrontation is childish, murderous mayhem posing as a policy.
Get a grip Shelly, what good has come of the last 5 years of struggle?
Posted by: Strawman at September 12, 2006 03:46 PM (tuy00)
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Six days after the capture of Saddam, Libya admitted that they had a nuclear weapons program and agreed to dismantle their WMD's under unconditional inspections.
Before the war, there were 4 rogue nations suspected of having nuclear weapons programs. That has been halved so far, unless if Pakistan turns jihadist, post-Musharraf.
Though, I'm having second thoughts about the administration's Wilsonian nation-building effort in Iraq.
Posted by: reagan80 at September 12, 2006 06:40 PM (dFOlH)
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Ray,
Qudaffi just looked for a better economic outcome and got it. He had no real program.
Posted by: Strawman at September 12, 2006 07:02 PM (tuy00)
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The Path To 9/11 Clips You're Not Supposed To See
Go and see them now, before the anti-free speech crazies find out and crash the site.
Update: Betsy Newmark explains why it matters.
Think for a moment about the concerted action by Democrats, their lawyers, former White House operatives, Bill Clinton, sympathetic historians, and lefty bloggers to stop this show. Remember that this was the same crowd that was full of praise of for Fahrenheit 9/11 for crystallizing their opposition to George Bush. Accuracy and versimilitude didn't bother them then. And they weren't saying a word about 60 Minutes "fake but accurate" story on Bush's National Guard service. Now, ask yourself. If this crowd were to control the White House, how many more of these attempts to stifle any criticism of them would we be seeing? Think of how much has been aired during Bush's tenure, even a movie depicting him being assassinated and more denials of civil liberties gets made without Bush's White House unleashing its lawyers. But, for this thing, the Democrats go to the mattresses. Are they perhaps modeling for us what their response would be to further criticism if they should gain control of the White House - or even of Congress? Don't forget those not-so-veiled threats to ABC's license. Ponder that chill wind.
Exactly. These are the anti-free speech crazies I'm talking about.
h/t Michelle Malkin
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You can tell the that ABC took dramatic license with this film.
The scene where the distraught woman accusing the cowardly members of the NSA of murder could not have happened.
The Clintons would never allow a person with a conscience to work at the White House.
Posted by: Jake at September 10, 2006 09:52 AM (r/5D/)
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Anti-free speech crazies?
I am sure my comments mean nothing to you. You just aren't smart enough to realize that you are allowing yourself to be manipulated. A shame.
The reason their are objections to this movie is due to how the film is a huge multi-million dollar right-wing propaganda effort. Like you, most American's are not well informed and will walk away from seeing that movie with the very incorrect belief that Clinton is primarily culpable and Bush did no wrong - which is just not true.
When the time comes for ignorant Americans - which includes you BTW - to pay the price for all this stupidity and blind belief, please remember my words. I am certain you are too thick headed to pay them much head today.
A little under 70 years ago, people like you were standing on the streets of Berlin, waving little flags - blindly accepting what their leaders told them. You are no different.
Posted by: Barney at September 10, 2006 08:13 PM (Lx+Sm)
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Barney:
Where were you when Michael Moore was selling his revisionist history?
You liberals are all alike; ready to slam anything that smacks of conservative, true or not, but unready to stand up to criticize the liberal lies that are spewed daily.
That is called hypocrisy; the best word in the world to describe the pseudo liberal holier than thou assholes that inhabit the world and the blogisphere.
Go preach somewhere else. We've got your number around here.
Posted by: shelly at September 10, 2006 08:55 PM (ZGpMS)
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"Like you, most American's are not well informed and will walk away from seeing that movie with the very incorrect belief that Clinton is primarily culpable and Bush did no wrong - which is just not true."
Barney, you are an idiot. You haven't seen the film, yet you are willing to pass judgment. If you had seen the film, you'd know that Bush gets hammered - along with The Pervert. Save your propoganda.
So, when did the Dems send out the post to its sheep telling you all to hit up the blogs and let people know how this film was nothing but a "a huge multi-million dollar right-wing propaganda effort."?
And 70 years ago, dipshit, it was people like us willing to fight Nazi's. It was people like you who wanted to appease them and then go join Stalin's communist party.
So, do me a big favor and go blow yourself and the rest of your left-wing nancy boys.
Posted by: Blu at September 10, 2006 09:34 PM (TVuWZ)
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Dear Barney,
The bologna is in the nest.
The pastrami is recyclable.
I only say this in jest,
cuz the dickcheese you will gobble.
Love,
Spanky
Posted by: Spanky at September 10, 2006 10:42 PM (dFOlH)
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Dear Barney, you fucking purple dinosaur. Get yourself two history degrees then pop off. And learn how to fucking spell you idiot.
Posted by: annika at September 10, 2006 10:53 PM (qQD4Q)
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Heh now, I LOVE to hear from meth addicts. They're so... imaginative.
Posted by: Casca at September 10, 2006 10:54 PM (2gORp)
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Its like Rush was saying today, you couldn't paint a starker contrast than Bush warning the NYT not to run a story because it would cost lives, versus Clinton et al warning not to run a story because it would make them look bad.
Posted by: Scof at September 11, 2006 02:02 PM (a3fqn)
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Hey Barn,
Did you ask Aint Bea or Andy if you could use their computer? Fuckin' Tard.
Posted by: tony at September 12, 2006 07:27 AM (/ccf+)
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Damn... I'm sorry I missed this thread when it was fresh, I could've gotten my kick in while Barney F****n' Fife was still conscious.
But, why beat a moron when he's down? He'll take himself out of the gene pool by just opening his mouth and talking. Zero effort on our part.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at September 13, 2006 03:31 PM (xHyDY)
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September 09, 2006
9/11 Film Controversy
I don't get this stupid controversy about
The Path to 9/11. Democrats are thrashing about like a
T-1000 in a vat of molten steel. What's the problem?
Is the movie defamatory? If it is then file a lawsuit. They might have a little trouble with the malice requirement, but that's one remedy.
It seems to me that the only objections Democrats have raised are that it's allegedly misleading, innacurate, and fictional. The truth is, they don't like the way it portrays Clinton. So fucking what. Since when have ex-presidents been immune from criticism? If they don't like it, why don't they do their own movie about how bad Bush is?
Oh that's right, they already did. It won the Palme d'Or.
And another thing. Isn't it government censorship when a bunch of Senators and Congressmen threaten ABC's license if they don't pull a tv show because of its political content? Isn't that prior restraint?
The DNC blog has a picture of a stack of 120,000 petitions they've printed. What they don't mention is that they're unsigned, but the picture is supposed to be impressive. I'm impressed that they think there are enough lemmings out there who care about a movie they haven't even seen yet.
And Daily Kos is now calling ABC, "GOP-TV." That is the funniest thing of all. Makes you wonder if they've ever watched ABC News. Would that it were true, it might take some of the heat off of Fox News.
A Kos writer also made the logically insupportable assertion the she "despise[d] censorship" and was in favor of "the free expression of even the most foul and erroneous ideas" except in cases when the speaker (in this case ABC) cannot be expected to "present a factual rebuttal" of its own speech.
By the same logic, Farenheit 9/11, a film that has made hundreds of millions of dollars to date, should never have been released unless Michael Moore also did a follow up film rebutting the lies in his original movie.
Jefferson and Madison would certainly have raised an eyebrow at that one.
Update: Kevin Kim have best comment.
I first read and thnk Bill Clinnton stuipd because is drama like "JFK" by Oliber Rock. "Is ONLY DRAMA BILL AND RELAX! Moreovering, you SUCK Monnica Lunski DIK is INCONTROVERTIBALLY FACT! YOU ONLY YOU!" I shoutted at moni tor.
Clik here to see.
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Jefferson and Madison probably would have raised an eyebrow, and probably Adams and Hamilton also, but some of the other Federalists might not have.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at September 09, 2006 11:25 AM (JCZIU)
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There have been a number of books and hundreds of articles written over the years how Clinton was asleep at the switch when it came to terrorism.
What is ironic about this Demo-meltdown is that all of that documentation has been forgotten by most people. Not any more-all that material will be dredged up and put back into public view. Maybe we will have the debate that should have taken place in the 1990s.
Posted by: Jake at September 09, 2006 11:40 AM (r/5D/)
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Jake, would a debate truly have taken place in the 1990s? Perhaps I was asleep at the wheel also, but the only serious debate that I remember about terrorism at the time regarded the initial false accusations that the Oklahoma City bombing had been masterminded by Muslim extremists. I can't picture a climate in which 1990s America would have opted for greater anti-terrorist protections. Frankly, even 2000s America can't stomach significant anti-terrorist protections.
P.S. I thought more about the Alien and Sedition Acts and related issues, and went off on a tangent
here.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at September 09, 2006 12:02 PM (JCZIU)
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Emperor:
They did not have blogs in those days so a debate was not possible. MSM was suppressing most terrorism stories and experts, who were warning us, had no public forum.
Plus the Republicans were too chicken to stand up to Clinton. There were no blogs to kick them in the ass. For instance:
In 1996, DaschleÂ’s wife (as head of the FAA) was ordered by the Republican Congress to come up with a list of banned items that the airport security people should search for. The Clintonistas ignored that order. The Republicans said nothing.
In 1996, the Republican Congress ordered the INS to create a computerized system for tracking the entry and exits of all visitors to the US. The Clintonistas ignored that order. The Republicans said nothing.
Posted by: Jake at September 09, 2006 01:07 PM (r/5D/)
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Ahhhhh, they're being weighed by the judgment of history, and being found wanting.
Posted by: Casca at September 09, 2006 02:20 PM (2gORp)
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ABC's docu-drama..."The Pathway To 9/11"
It's only the truth
It's only our national security
It's only our fate and lives
It's only a rationalization away
To produce something completely contrived
How about it
Are you going to change the script
Are you going to bend over and cave in
Are you going to fold to the manipulations
Of the Clinton Political pressure and spin
Neils
9:19 pm
09/09/2006
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my comment to ABC
about their docu-drama
"The Path to 9/11"
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transcribed this time
10:00 pm
09/09/2006
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here's the link to ABC's feed back department:
http://abc.go.com/site/contactus.html
N....again
Posted by: neilsthepoet at September 09, 2006 08:01 PM (aBxFS)
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Maybe it's me and I'm not remembering this correctly because I drink a lot, but didn't the GOP make the very same noises not too very long ago about a TV movie about President Reagan?
Posted by: skippystalin at September 09, 2006 10:20 PM (ohSFF)
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Bery thank Annika is good to shouting out.^0^
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at September 10, 2006 12:09 AM (1PcL3)
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It's time to come home. You've had one too many bottles of soju.
Posted by: Casca at September 10, 2006 02:08 PM (2gORp)
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September 07, 2006
Kiki Is Still Crappy
I took time out from watching Miami vs. Pittsburgh to catch Kiki Couric doing the nightly news. I missed her the last two nights. Tonight, I made it to exactly eight minutes before switching back to the game in anger. I had no idea how bad the CBS Nightly News had gotten. It's been years since I watched any evening news show. The first two segments of Kiki's broadcast tonight were almost total fiction. It was laughable, except for the fact that many thousands of people were watching who had no idea they were being lied to.
I don't blame Kiki so much. She's more of a master of ceremonies for this contemporary version of the Liars Club. Besides her poor posture and crooked mouth (which I never noticed before), she did a serviceable job. I find her manner more pleasant than Dan Rather's, but that ass surely didn't set the bar too high for his successor.
Kiki's show started with Jim Axelrod asserting quite unequivocally that the latest tape from Bin Laden contradicts the President's message in his recent War On Terror speeches. Anyone with a brain can see that just the opposite is true. In fact, the al Qaeda video features terrorists that are now in U.S. custody, whose interrogation led to the arrests of further terrorists. Bin Laden's video not only disproves beyond any doubt the stupid "inside job" conspiracy theories, but it shows how we've made a big dent in al Qaeda's leadership.
The second segment promised to show how support for the Iraq War has fallen among conservatives of the Bible Belt. They then showed only three people, two of whom said that they support the war! [Actually, the third guy supports the war too! See update, infra.] Now, I'm not trying to claim that support for the war has not fallen. It obviously has, but this joke of a news segment proved nothing of the sort. The one guy who said he was going to vote for Democrats was cut off just as he was about to state the reason why. No doubt his reasons had more to do with immigration and runaway spending, but CBS didn't want their audience to know that.
In the next segment, both Kiki and the reporter blatantly repeated the lie that Valerie Plame was an undercover agent. I guess they believe that old totalitarian principle about repeating the big lie often enough. Then followed an interview with Armitage, which nearly made me keel over with disinterest. This story is so irrelevant, why doesn't CBS just move on dot org?
That was when I turned it off, and to my dismay learned that I had missed a touchdown.
Update: The guy who said he was voting democratic in the second segment I mentioned above was retired Colonel Jim Van Riper, USMC. The unedited interview is here. I was wrong about his reasons for planning to vote Democratic. But CBS, very sneakily, omitted from their televised soundbites any of Colonel Van Riper's very strong pro-Iraq War statements. His objection is not that we're in Iraq, he just wants to win and he doesn't think the administration is getting the job done.
While I think it's misguided to think a Democratic Congress will do anything but weaken America, I can totally understand Col. Van Riper's frustration. We all want to win. Does anybody really think that Bush's poll numbers would be where they are now if we had already succeeded in Iraq? For most Americans — and this is the dirty little secret CBS and the elite media don't want you to know — the issue is victory, not whether the war was legal or right or wrong or unilateral or any of the other Michael Moore objections. If we had won already, nobody would be complaining. Wanting to win is patriotic, as is frustration that we might not be winning.
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"support for the Iraq War has fallen among conservatives of the Bible Belt."
I don't see how this can't be true, even if you just start counting from last year. And it is overwhelmingly true if you start at "Mission Accomplished".
Posted by: will at September 07, 2006 07:11 PM (h7Ciu)
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Never trade a touchdown for the newstwat. I, however, I'm bouncing back and forth between football and Federer/Blake, which is getting ugly.
Posted by: Preston Taylor Holmes at September 07, 2006 07:24 PM (I1Jw8)
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Never leave a good football game for Kiki!
Posted by: Greta at September 07, 2006 07:49 PM (Cbtbf)
Posted by: Tuning Spork at September 07, 2006 08:40 PM (znU0k)
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All sane people have long ago stopped watching network news.
A study showed that people who regularly watch network news are more neurotic, more pessimistic and more fearful for their future.
Now you know why that study is true.
Posted by: Jake at September 07, 2006 08:49 PM (r/5D/)
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All that in eight minutes! Wow, she moves fast.
Posted by: Blake at September 07, 2006 09:23 PM (1B44J)
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I recently found myself
quoting from John Kerry's comments about killing Osama bin Laden during the 2004 presidential debates. Doubt he would have done it, but it sounded good.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at September 07, 2006 11:47 PM (Wotgj)
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Jim, eh, I worked for his brother Paul many moons ago. Paul, or PK Van Riper is one of the Generals who has come our against Dubyah. Most of us thought he was crazy twenty-years ago.
Posted by: Casca at September 08, 2006 08:35 AM (Z2ndo)
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We have the same viewing habits. I also tuned in to Katie, and, as the bullshit began piling higher and higher, my thoughts were:
"This is unbelievable! This is one lie, after another misrepresentation, after another lie, again and again! Is anyone I know seeing this? I would love for someone I know to see it, so they could verify what I am watching."
So, I'm really happy you saw it, and documented it, so I can show my friends. The clash of realities - as they said the Bin Laden tape was bad for Bush, and as they emoted that Republicans were turning against the war, all the while showing Republican after Republican saying they were in favor of OIF - was breaking my brain. Dissonance.
Posted by: gcotharn at September 08, 2006 09:06 AM (Rhyyb)
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Casca, you ancient fuck, I went to The Basic School with Paul's *SON*.
Posted by: Matt at September 08, 2006 11:39 AM (10G2T)
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Of course I'm ancient! Casca II graduates from IOC in two weeks.
Posted by: Casca at September 08, 2006 01:32 PM (2gORp)
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Future Headline
"Dems Celebrate End of Bush Security Measures"
Have you seen the America Weakly campaign ads?
If not, start here, with a satirical look at what a Democratic Congress will do to national security. Or maybe not so satirical.
A Democratic Congress will be bad, no question about it. They have no plan except opposition to Bush, and a desire to embarrass Republicans. Since they don't hold the executive branch, these goals will have to be furthered by de-funding, and endless investigations.
I think 9/11 might have been an unintended result of Ken Starr's crusade to nail the President on a "process crime." If so, what new tragedy might occur while President Bush is occupied by the latest round of political vendettas, investigations and impeachment proceedings?
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Annika,
You believe that tragedies are prevented by Bush's vigilance and attention to the details of the national security program? You know I live in Brooklyn and right outside my window there is a large stone and cable edifice I could offer you if Blu's offer is not accepted.
If W were to leave government tomorrow and not tell anybody and President Logan took over with a different makeup job, nobody would notice. He contributes nothing except bad diction, poorly rehearsed hand and arm motions, sophomoric intensification of his speech to make it sound more earnest, and a weak intellectual grasp of the issues that preempt his ability to talk off the cuff about anything. Remember the blubbering nonsense he kept spewing when he tried to explain the need for changes to Social Security?
Or how about last week when he hoped nobody would notice when he harped on the word "ordered"? Declaring that although Chaney repeatedly said their was indisputable evidence connecting Saddam to 911, he never used the phrase "Saddam ordered 911", as a defense against the charge of deception? Who do these people think they are talking to? the kindergarteners that had to sit while the dumfounded and irrelevant President sat contemplating how irrelevant he was to the leadership of the nation even as it was attacked.
He is still irrelevant and if the committees start REAL investigations after the leadership changes, the nation will be the richer for it and hardly less safe.
Posted by: strawman at September 07, 2006 09:45 AM (tuy00)
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Well, you don't like Bush. But my point is, I didn't like Clinton. I think the lesson of the Lewinsky scandal is, a president who is fighting impeachment is a distracted president. Now, before my Republican friends go all nuts, yes, I know Clinton's judgment on matters of National Security was flawed, even when he wasn't distracted (c.f. Jamie Gorelick?! et al.). But the man might have been able to see the light if he wasn't continually fighting for his life over shit that FDR and JFK etc. did with impunity.
Posted by: annika at September 07, 2006 09:59 AM (zAOEU)
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Annika,
Yes, we have discussed the damage the impeachment proceedings had on ClintonÂ’s presidency and I agree. I also think that Clinton had the ability to engage in and lead the process of government whereas, regardless of whether I like W or not (he might be a good drinking buddy or so I'm told) I firmly and objectively believe W is not part of the process. I look in his eyes, I listen to the childish complexity and vocabulary of his speech, his religious faith (more childish mythology) his wisecracking good old boy frat house demeanor in his unguarded moments, his professed anti-intellectualism, and I come away convinced his presidential qualities extend no further than his suit and haircut and that America is ruled by fear.
Posted by: strawman at September 07, 2006 10:15 AM (tuy00)
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"I also think that Clinton had the ability to engage in and lead the process of government whereas, regardless of whether I like W or not (he might be a good drinking buddy or so I'm told) I firmly and objectively believe W is not part of the process."
Oh yeah, Clinton was a fucking genius. Why? Because he was a good public speaker. Clinton was a disaster of a President. He crippled our military and was responsible for 9/11 and for ignoring the Islamo-fascist threat. Now, Ronald Reagan was also a great public speaker. In fact, Reagan was much, much better than The Pervert. But, I'm betting you don't think Reagan was a genius, right Straw? In fact, if Al Gore had invented the internet in the 80's instead of the 90's and this sort of forum existed, you'd be writing about how stupid Reagan was and about how communism wasn't really a threat, and how Reagan was a puppet, and how our actions were actually making things worse in the world, and how America was the problem not the communist butchers. See the pattern, Straw? You are always wrong about important issues. Bush isn't dumb. Not even close to being dumb. Like Reagan he sees and understands the bigger picture; and unlike Clinton, Kerry, Carter (name your favorite left-wing idiot), he understands the difference between right and wrong. The job of the President is to set policy at a very high level - to provide a vision. From what I hear, Clinton and Carter loved to discuss policy at a detailed level. Well, so what? They are two of the worst Presidents we have ever had. While Reagan defeated Communism and Bush will be know in history for being the first to recognize the threat of militant Islam, Clinton will be know as the guy who banged 20-year olds in the White House and Carter will be known as a very inept old man, who liked to build houses.
You just don't like his vision as you are more comfortable with the world view of Chairman Mao, and Castro [insert your favorite commie dictator/murderer].
Posted by: Blu at September 07, 2006 11:10 AM (j8oa6)
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Blu,
You sure got religion, Blu, no doubt about it. You just don't have an accurate view of history or the tip of your nose.
I don't wih to engage you in the historical bullshit about geniuses and dolts, best or wort presidents, or if Al invented the internet or Ronnie Raygun defeated communism. All water under the bridge (one that may be yours someday).
Fact is you Bush is by all outward appearances an idiot and you, here's the religious part, have faith, (not supported by fact) that he is a bright fella with a strong moral grip and focus on what is right and wrong and not an emotionally crippled alcholic, brow beaten by an unaffectionate overbearing father compounded by being the fuck up in a family of achievers, propped up by an over zealous religious faith, who's shirking and shady past and present are non issues.
You want to do everything but talk about the man and the product of his policies. You want only to place him in the context of those whose self serving portraits you paint then react to. You sound just like the Germans defending Hitler in the early 30's for his vision and strength. His prescience in knowing what caused the hadships in Grmany and who the current threats were. You've swallowed the bullshit from the Goebbles' of this day. (911 on ABC accompied by teachers kit explaining Clinton was the inadvertant architect of 911 and leaving out the "...determined to attack/vacation memo and that Iraq had no part what so ever in 911)
What's the point in talking? You've got your Fuhrer, you have been told what to think, you are happy, now watch your (our) empire crumble as this cabal continues to disrupt the balance of world politics adversely. They are like a man in a hornets nest that thinks flailing will scare the hornets into retreat and future respect.
Posted by: strawman at September 07, 2006 12:02 PM (tuy00)
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Your premise is fucked. The Clintonistas were/are/and always have been hopelessly self-serving, thus incapable of acting in the interest of the nation.
Dubyah has demonstrated strength of character through sacrifice, and the strength to be unswayed by the wailing and gnashing of teeth, of the chattering classes.
Before he's done, he's going to hang those cocksuckers down in Gitmo. After a fair trial of course.
Posted by: Casca at September 07, 2006 12:03 PM (Z2ndo)
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Casca,
Explain whose sacrifice? His? I don't see his daughters in fatigues. Yours? Mine?
Posted by: strawman at September 07, 2006 12:06 PM (tuy00)
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Unlike your communist paradises, we have a volunteer army, Straw. So, whether his daughters wear fatigues is really not terribly germane, now is it?
As for your previous post, I like your very original Bush = Hitler comparison. You come up with that on our own, or did your steal it from Koz et al? The comparison demonstrates both a lack of a moral compass (but then again you are a communist sympathizer so that's expected) and astounding historical ignornace. A mind is terrible thing to waste, Straw. Try college.
Posted by: Blu at September 07, 2006 01:29 PM (j8oa6)
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"The Clintonistas were/are/and always have been hopelessly self-serving, thus incapable of acting in the interest of the nation."
And that doesn't describe virtually every politician (including those of the Bush ilk)...? Come on, politics hasn't remotely been about statesmanship since probably the mid-nineteenth century (with rarer and rarer exceptions). At this point in the game it's just holding our breath and praying that whatever party-line clone is in power, doesn't step on the wrong land mine (literal or otherwise) and blow the whole country to bits. Really, can you justify putting trust into even one modern politician, and, if so, how? If all you have to go on is the person's *earnest assurance* that he/she cares about you, the citizen... well, the world sure must look pretty all decked out in rose like that.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at September 07, 2006 01:31 PM (XUsiG)
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It's not 911. It's a date not a telephone number. At least get that much correct in your inane ramblings, strawman.
Posted by: ccs178 (Chris) at September 07, 2006 02:10 PM (B5UVm)
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CCS178,
Thanks, I didn't know. I knew it had something to do with some sort of emergency and I just guessed 911. So it's what? 9-11 or 9/11 or 9\11. Please Chris just put up a finger 1,2 or 3.
Blu Boy,
I do think its germain. If this conflict is the "most important" of the 21 century and (I have this on good authority) anybody fit and able can join the fray, why aren't the able bodied daughters wearing fatigues? If my dad had told me about the incredible threat to the world , my way of life and the security of my nation Nazism presented and i was of age, you bet I'd join up, just as he did in '42
The Nazi=Bush only nearly as stupid as BinLaden=Hitler speach the dim wit gave earlier in the week.
I suppose Blu, you haven't noticed how the bullshit has been ramping up as the elections near. Fear, fear, and more fear to keep the sheep in their corral.
Posted by: strawman at September 07, 2006 02:44 PM (tuy00)
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Give it up guys you can't actually have a debate with a left wing dipshit like Straw. You see, no matter what you say he already thinks your stupid, brainwashed, and living in fear.
His insistence that Bush is stupid is just part of his whole life. You see, it makes him feel so much better about himself to be so smart and cool and with it, and we poor plebes just don't get it.
It is comforting for him, except that the idiot Bush has this uncomfortable way of always handing his left wing buddies their ass, Just like that other dunce Reagan used to do.
His is that make believe world where socialism is great, it just has never been tried correctly.
Wars can all be avoided if you only have smart liberals in charge. All people who have any sort of spirituality are the enemy, probably because they trust in something other than omnipotent government. And one day they will be so few of them left, He and his buddies can just round them up and put them into re-education camps.
I'll bet he thinks that Mother Jones and The Nation are the epitome of high-brow reading. He probably thinks that Paul Krugman is the greatest living economist. And He never misses Jon Stewart, or Bill Mahr, (Oh! aren't those guys funny!)
I have known many jackasses like him, all puffed up with their own intellect, but in reality they are all a bit unsure of themselves, that is why they prefer big government over the rough and tumble of the free market.
Posted by: kyle8 at September 07, 2006 03:12 PM (QtKKY)
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Good job twisting my words, and meaning LF... or is that an example of your ability to reason?
Posted by: Casca at September 07, 2006 03:14 PM (2gORp)
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Kyle,
FWIW, I have owned and operated a business in the "free Market" for over 30 years. Tell me what you know from your experiences in the "free market?
Posted by: strawman at September 07, 2006 03:19 PM (tuy00)
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casca... not sure how I'm "twisting" your words... you didn't mean to imply the Clintons are untrustworthy/money-grubbing politicos? If not, my apologies.
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Of course I did, that's the half you got right. However if you see no difference between these two administrations, you're either a fool, or intentionally obtuse.
Posted by: Casca at September 07, 2006 06:32 PM (2gORp)
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Well there is a third option. You may simply be ignorant of current events, which in this busy world I understand, but don't excuse on the part of the pseudo-intelligent.
Posted by: Casca at September 07, 2006 06:36 PM (2gORp)
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"You see, no matter what you say he already thinks your stupid, brainwashed, and living in fear."
I'm afraid political debate is like this on both sides, and especially the further one gets away from the center.
"A Democratic Congress will be bad, no question about it."
I can't embrace this opinion, though it may be valid for the potential changes to the causes you support. I'm ready for more balance to our government. If I had my way, 1/3 would be Right Wing, 1/3 would be Moderates/Independents, and 1/3 would be Left Wing. That way, cooler heads would prevail in virtually every situation. It appears we may yet be headed for that mix.
Posted by: will at September 07, 2006 07:22 PM (h7Ciu)
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The only good thing about the G.O.P. losing a house is that they might finally become limited gov't/fiscal conservatives again. Unfortunately, this would lead to gridlock on national security and foreign policy issues.
Regarding Iraq, the Dems have no real alternatives on how to fight the war and achieve victory there. Between the foreign policy realists and the "to Hell with them" hawks, the only potentially successful options to win, or at least to salvage the effort, are coming from the Right.
Posted by: reagan80 at September 07, 2006 08:00 PM (dFOlH)
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"The Nazi=Bush only nearly as stupid as BinLaden=Hitler speach the dim wit gave earlier in the week."
Oh really? Bin Laden and Hitler actually shared the same dream of world domination and annihilation of the Jews. I suspect they also share the same views about homosexuals and religious sects (e.g. Jehovah's Witnesses). It's actually quite easy to compare these two in a number of ways. So, no, it is not a stupid comparison. It is rather appropriate. Your Bush = Hitler/Nazi, however, is very, very stupid without a shred of support. Do you have even an inkling of what Nazi Germany was like, Straw? To compare America 2006 to Germany in the 30's and 40's is unworthy of a serious, thinking person.
Posted by: Blu at September 07, 2006 09:30 PM (TVuWZ)
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Blu,
Please, stop whipping me with the lash of serious and thinking, I just can not abide it any longer.
I do know a great deal, since I have met and been aquainted with many who lived in Germany in the thirties (have you figures out my cohort yet?), as opposed to you who went to college and studied the history second hand. How many hands with numbered forearms have you shaken Blu? How many of your friends parents were guests of Dachau or Thereiesenstadt? A friends father died last week who was an escapee during the war and ran a band of Jewish resistors in the woods of Poland that broke Jews out of camps
It (fascism) didn't happen over night. It is a creeping sort of thing full of rationalizations about how necessary it is to constrict personal freedom to protect and perserve the order and security of the nation. It may not continue to its conclusion in America as it did in Germany, but it surely has opened the back door and is sitting at the kitchen table. Fear is the great annihilator of freedom. And our president and his cabal are oblivious to the trend they have started.
Posted by: strawman at September 08, 2006 06:59 AM (tuy00)
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Straw,
With the due respect your age and experience grant you, none of what you wrote changes anything. You weren't in Germany during the time-period. You've heard second-hand stories - just like me. You don't like Bush, so you write a lot of silly things to prop up your anger with him. Sometimes it's even interesting stuff that you write. But, again with due respect, it's not serious. It's just the anger of a political Lefty who has a losing streak on important matters of national security. So, you keep pretending America is going the way of Germany circa 1930, and the rest of us will pray that people living in the real world can keep another 9/11 from occuring.
Posted by: Blu at September 08, 2006 08:54 AM (TVuWZ)
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Clinton had the ability to engage in and lead the process of government..
Straw - my experiences and observations from the Pentagon and NSC through the latter end of the Clinton administration gives me pause on your comment - at least with respect to foreign policy and national security. Clinton had a weak SecDef in Cohen (who basically was building up the networks for his private sector company) and a weak Chairman of the Joint Chiefs. The result was the balance of civilian control tilted dangerously toward the Service Chiefs. In exchange for accepting reduced budgets and force structure, Clinton/Cohen essentially gave those Gen/Adms free rein on how to mold the post-Cold War military. The result was the intellectually bankrupt 97 QDR and resulting force development that was at odds with Clinton's own larger National Security Strategy.
Sandy Berger was as adept as managing the NSC as he was removing documents from the national archives. Madeline Albright did Clinton no real favor as Secretary of State. The initiatives Condi Rice is advocating (see her 18 Jan 06 speech at Georgetown) are ones Albright should have started a decade ago based on Clinton's Security Strategy and foreign policy.
I think Clinton did have the ability to engage, but not the ability to lead. He disadvantaged himself even more with his inability to manage his own libido, especially given his party didn't control the legislative branch.
Annie - I think in some aspects, Clinton did see the light..unfortunately, he couldn't get his cabinet and staff for the most part to realize the vision he had. I think the current President suffers from a similiar, although not quite the same, problem..
Posted by: Col Steve at September 08, 2006 10:01 AM (pj2h7)
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Steveo, you don't know these guys. Clinton couldn't bring thought to action because he didn't really care. They were only words to him.
Bush on the other hand cares deeply, but has to fight the bureaucracy, the MSM, the D's, AND the enemy. So, I don't hold him to a standard of perfection.
Posted by: Casca at September 08, 2006 01:44 PM (2gORp)
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Interesting comments.
I have only once or twice in my life seen "the tattoo," and it stopped me short each time. I think one time happened way back when I worked in retail and I was helping an old lady, who up until that point was just another old lady. But then, you catch a glimpse of that number, and wow. It's like you get a lump in your throat and everything changes. Every stranger you meet has their own story, and most of the time you don't get to know what it is. But when you see the tattoo, you suddenly know something about the person, that they've experienced a thing you only studied in school and can never fully understand the way that person standing in front of you does.
We're losing holocaust survivors every day, the same as WWII veterans. I hope someone's writing down their stories too, before they're all gone.
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September 01, 2006
67th Anniversary Of Case White
Today is the 67th anniversary of the beginning of World War Two in Europe. As you should remember, it began with the German invasion of Poland, which the Wehrmacht codenamed "Case White." (
DANEgerus also reminds us that the Red Army invaded from the east sixteen days later.)
I think it's especially appropriate to pause today and think about that fateful moment in 1939, which led to the death of so many millions.
Many folks have noted that our situation now is not unlike the time before that first panzer crossed the Polish frontier. I'm one of them. I see the failure of our international institutions and the blindness of so many prominent figures and I think of the League of Nations, Chamberlain, Lindbergh, and Coughlin.
There is no cosmic law that says we can't re-ignite the horrors of World War Two for a new generation. The United States lost 293,000 brave men to the conflict, but almost zero civilians. We had it lucky. We were the saving heroes from across the water in that war. We won't be so lucky next time.
The bill from the last world war was staggering. Twenty-five million Soviet citizens, fourteen million Chinese, seven million Germans, six million Poles, two million Japanese, and on and on.

If you were a European Jew, a Philipino, a Chinese or Russian peasant, even a lowly German or Soviet conscript, your life was a hell in the 1940's. All because a handful of world leaders could not, or would not, stop the juggernaut of fascism.
The atrocities were so numerous, we've given them names: Bataan, Auschwitz, Malmedy, Nanking, Dachau, Katyn Forest, Lidice, Treblinka, the Burma Railway, and on and on.
We must also remember the unimaginably horrible deaths from new techniques of killing developed for the war by our side, and used at Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Tokyo, and on and on.
There are those who say we are on the precipice of World War Three right now. Others say it started five years ago. I am not going to argue with either viewpoint. Nor will I end this post with a pollyannish "don't worry, our leaders have things under control."
Because even if we were blessed with the greatest of statesman, which we're not, I don't know that it will be possible to avoid another trial of war brought upon us by evil men.
Some people insist our current enemies are not dangerous, or if they are, they're not evil. I'm at a point now where I don't think that argument matters a whole lot. Our enemies have their own agenda, and they will settle the issue in their own time. And we will have to fight them whether we're ready or not.
I looked up at the sky last night and saw a fiery meteor burn across the horizon. It was scary, though I knew it was no bigger than a coin. It made me think about how wise we think we are, yet how much there is we don't know. I wonder if there are intelligent beings who have been watching us these past hundred years. How they must laugh at our folly.
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Casca's right; you gotta stop posting while stoned.
By the way, writing briefs in that condition is not recommended, either.
Posted by: shelly at September 01, 2006 04:59 AM (ZGpMS)
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LMAO, and here I came to post something serious... In the words of Emily Latella, "nevermind".
Posted by: Casca at September 01, 2006 05:41 AM (Z2ndo)
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Aw hell, I'll post something serious anyway. We're on a ship of fools my dear, and only the eternal pilot knows the course.
Ah, we are neither heaven nor earth, but men;
Something that uses and despises both,
That takes its earth's contentment in the pen,
Then sees the world's injustice and is wroth,
And flinging off youth's happy promise, flies
Up to some breach, despising earthly things,
And, in contempt of hell and heaven, dies,
Rather than bear some yoke of priests or kings.
Our joys are not of heaven nor earth, but man's,
A woman's beauty or a child's delight,
The trembling blood when the discoverer scans
The sought-for world, the guessed-at satellite;
The ringing scene, the stone at point to blush
For unborn men to look at and say "Hush."
Or, if you like:
Since moons decay, and suns decline,
How else should end, this life of mine,
Water and saltness are not wine.
Posted by: Casca at September 01, 2006 06:42 AM (Z2ndo)
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I on the other hand think that Annika's post was excellent, and she is correct in stating that today's Europe is similar to 1930s Europe.
Today we see an alarming rise of anti-semitism in Europe. The violence against Jews, Jewish schools, and Jewish businesses is done today by Moslem gangs rather than Nazi ones. Governments are suppressing news of the violence today just as they did in the 30s so that the perpetrators are not offended.
The leaders of Islamic fascism speak daily on their goals of destroying European culture and their governments. Just as in the 1930s, government officials are ignoring those speeches partly because they don't believe the threats but mostly because they are scared of retaliation by the Fascists if they speak out.
The 1930's had Churchill who continually warned Europe about the threats but he was ignored because he was out of power. We are fortunate today that the leader who recognizes the threat is now in power. However, just as Churchill was ignored in Europe, Bush is today.
Posted by: Jake at September 01, 2006 07:43 AM (r/5D/)
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"Some people insist our current enemies are not dangerous, or if they are, they're not evil. I'm at a point now where I don't think that argument matters a whole lot."
Our friend, Keith Olbermann, in a response to Rumey's comments earlier in the week, attempted to use the example of WWII as an argument against the administration, comparing Bush's response to Islamo-fascism to Chamberlain's response to Hitler. (Don't even try to figure it out - you'll get a headache.) In was truly one of the most asinine and truly ignorant monologues I've ever heard. Is there a dumber person on cable who does a (supposedly) serious show?
So, when you are dealing with a Left that is so overwhelmingly ignorant and foolish, I guess you are correct not to worry about arguing. These people won't get it until its too late anyway.
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Posted by: Scof at September 01, 2006 11:19 AM (a3fqn)
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I linked this, and have a long post on the reactions of the British and French governments to the invasion,
here.
Posted by: david foster at September 01, 2006 12:24 PM (/Z304)
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The open war with Islam is coming and WWII will look like a picnic compared to bloodshed that is about to happen.
My wish for a peaceful life for my teenage daughter, will not come true. She will knew the horrors of war, upclose. I will learn these horrors alongside her.
Posted by: Marvin at September 01, 2006 04:46 PM (ZROkT)
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Annika, your thoughts about the fiery meteor reminded me of a Chris de Burgh song:
And when I see a shooting star go flashing in the night,
I often wonder if some other beings also see the light,
And are they picking up our signals,
As they spin of into space,
Until the final act is over,
Until every man has spoken,
Until every summer's gone,
Until every battle's done,
Until the day,
Transmission ends, transmission ends;
Posted by: david foster at September 01, 2006 05:51 PM (/Z304)
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Blech, I've got a signal for you. I poop on your poetry. Is that sophistry, or simply banal ass-kissing. Blech!!
Posted by: Casca at September 01, 2006 10:13 PM (2gORp)
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"sophistry"?
"ass-kissing"?
..were those thoughts directed toward me, or toward Chris de Burgh?
Posted by: david foster at September 02, 2006 09:55 AM (/Z304)
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What. Ever.
BUSH LIED PEOPLE DIED!
Posted by: Um Yeah at September 02, 2006 10:18 AM (vElSn)
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I have enough poop for both of you.
Posted by: Casca at September 02, 2006 05:56 PM (2gORp)
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Only in the throes of deep narco therapy can one contemplate the immense escapism fostered by our MSM and accepted by about half of our population.
We are in the midst of WWIII no matter how you look at it. Some say it's been going on for five years or so, others say it is beginning, but there is no denying it is here and now, for those who understand the serious threat of Islamofascism.
We'll find out in early November if the silent majority that has continued to give the GOP a majority for the past few years since the Gingrich Revolution will stand fast or give way to the bleeding hearts. If they do give way, G_d help us all.
Annie is right; it is just the way she argues with herself out loud that leads us to believe that "In vino veritas" has new meanings since the 60's.
Posted by: shelly at September 03, 2006 06:46 PM (ZGpMS)
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I figure it's been going on since the Iranian Embassy fiasco and the unlamented Jimmy Carter presidency. We've only begun to fight back and there is a long list of payback due...
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Guardsman Beat Up By Crazy Liberals
Near Tacoma, Washington...
The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is searching for five people who allegedly attacked a uniformed National Guardsmen walking along 138th Street in Parkland Tuesday afternoon.
The soldier was walking to a convenience store when a sport utility vehicle pulled up alongside him and the driver asked if he was in the military and if he had been in any action.
The driver then got out of the vehicle, displayed a gun and shouted insults at the victim. Four other suspects exited the vehicle and knocked the soldier down, punching and kicking him.
“And during the assault the suspects called him a baby killer. At that point they got into the car and drove off and left him on the side of the road,” Detective Ed Troyer with the Pierce County Sheriff’s Department told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News.
The suspects were driving a black Chevy Suburban-type SUV.
“This is something new for us, we have not had military people assaulted because they were in the military or somebody's opposition to a war or whatever,” Troyer said.
The driver is described as a white male, 25-30 years old, 5 feet 10 inches tall, heavy build, short blond hair, wearing a black T-shirt and jeans, and armed with a handgun.
The vehicle's passengers are described as white males, 20-25 years old. Some of the suspects wore red baseball hats and red sweatshirts during the attack.
The Pierce County Sheriff's Department is offering a $1,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and charging of the individuals involved. Informants can call 253-591-5959, and callers will remain anonymous.
That is just sick. Every time some terrorist cell gets busted we hear no end of public service announcements intended to prevent "hate crimes" against muslims. They must be very effective, since I haven't heard of a single such "hate crime" since 9/11. Maybe we should be doing the same thing to protect our military in certain sections of the country.
h/t Beth at She Who Will Be Obeyed
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For it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' "Chuck him out, the brute!"
But it's "Saviour of 'is country," when the guns begin to shoot;
An' it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that, an' anything you please;
But Tommy ain't a bloomin' fool - you bet that Tommy sees!
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at September 01, 2006 05:45 AM (xHyDY)
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Well of course, Kipling's is the classic response. It's hard to beat
Tommy Atkins. I, however, came to borrow from McMurtry. The gratitude of the American public is a mighty weak vessel to put much hope in.
Posted by: Casca at September 01, 2006 05:59 AM (Z2ndo)
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Ummm...maybe not.
"Authorities are continuing to investigate a National Guardsman's claim that he was attacked earlier this week in Parkland and called "a baby killer."
A witness who came forward after the incident told KIRO 7 Eyewitness News a different story about what happened on Tuesday morning, but deputies said the witness later changed that story when they interviewed him.
The witness told police he saw several men in uniform beat a man in civilian clothes, but later changed his account to back the guardsman.
Investigators said the witness's stories were inconsistent with the guardsman's, and they are back to "square one" in the investigation."
Posted by: Hesiod at September 01, 2006 12:22 PM (pOIx0)
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Annuka,
I don't know how the same, sane woman who wrote that heartfelt commerative piece could also pen the headline of this piece. (Although I do not see the parallel with apeasement of Adolf)
It sounds as if it is awfully early in the investigation to be jumping to conclusions. Seriously, ANnie, Liberals don't jump out of pickups and beat anything up. SOme weatherman left over from 1970 might but not those that followed the wing of the party led by HH and others. A group of PETA types might if he had his winter furs on or some Earth FIrsters might if he had a 36" Stihl in his hand but not Liberals of the CIndy SHehan ilk. THis guardsman might be muddying the waters and doing a bit of agit prop to rally the Right to go on a witch hunt or some other nonsence. Or maybe DOnald Segrity paid these guys 50 bucks to do the deed and cast aspersions as we run up to the midterms. The Republicans are running scared and losing control of the H & S and so forth is going to make for some real dirty tricks. Poll taxes are starting to flourish; I notice MO just got into the game (All passed by Republican state houses arguing protection against non-existant voter fraud) and there will be more to come. However, if all goes as it seems it will, We could see articles of impeachment by January.
Posted by: strawman at September 01, 2006 02:43 PM (tuy00)
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"Poll taxes are starting to flourish."
Proof please. Nice race card, Straw. Sorry, it won't work in 2006 - especially because they only people that can still be legally discriminated against are white men.
"Non-existent voter fraud." You betchya. The only person you are fooling is yourself, Straw. Your party invented voter fraud and engages in it every single election.
BTW, the Dems have no chane of winning the Senate. They have a 50/50 chance of the House because the MSM will start really cranking up the anti-Bush machine. (Notice that the MSM had absolutely nothing to say about the Wilson - Plame fraud that they brought upon the nation?)
Posted by: Blu at September 01, 2006 03:55 PM (Wc+84)
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Blu,
You don't think the placing of these document barrriers is a poll tax? Is there some constitutional requirement that you must drive or be able to lay hands on your birth certificate or that you have the bus fare to go to the county seat and then pay for the search or the copy? These are blantant impediments to voting that aim squarely at non-republican voters? There is no evidence of a single vote cast fraudantly in Georgia in the last twenty years. These programs are pure politics. Justice reviewed these laws, wrote a memo stating flatly that they are "likely to be descriminatory against African-Americans" and, of course, a Bush appointee said, "Nah, couldn't be".
All these photo ID laws will eventually be struck down, and that is understood by all, but the ONLY concern is that the mid terms take place first. It has nothing to do with voter fraud and you, my good man, know that.
Posted by: strawman at September 01, 2006 05:54 PM (tuy00)
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Hi everyone, I am blogging on my neice's dell from Grand Isle La. about to head out on a fishing trip tomorrow.
Straw, you goddam left wing ass, yes of course left wingers do crap like that. The primary motivation of the left, since the time of Marx has always been hate. Hatred of the bourgeois, hatred of capitalism, hatred of religion etc.
Well I will drink another margarita to the spirit of freedom which does not inhabit your sorry ass at all.
Posted by: Kyle N at September 01, 2006 06:28 PM (0+QM1)
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"You don't think the placing of these document barrriers is a poll tax?"
No, it is common sense. We have a right to vote. But there is nothing radical about asking people to prove who they are when we know that voter fraud occurs constantly - especially on the Left.
"Justice reviewed these laws, wrote a memo stating flatly that they are "likely to be descriminatory against African-Americans" and, of course, a Bush appointee said, 'Nah, couldn't be'."
How? We all have equal access to birth certificates and a driver license (provided it hasn't been taken from you or you have not ever tried to get one - in which you can easily obtain a State ID.) Basically, your and the Left's problem with these laws has absolutely nothing tp do with your supposed empathy for these poor minority people - it is all about political power. The Left has always been willing to usurp power no matter the cost. You all know damn well that there is rampant voter fraud on your side. The thing is that you don't care.
Posted by: Blu at September 01, 2006 09:30 PM (Wc+84)
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Again I must concur totally with Blu on this. As a Georgia voter in perhaps one of the lily whitest counties in the state I can tell you that for years I have been asked to show I.D. at the polls. Whether this was actually required or simply helped expedite the process, I don't know.
I do know it takes far more to rent a movie at Blockbuster.
Posted by: Mike C. at September 02, 2006 06:56 AM (vFS/o)
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Mike,
Blockbuster. Cashing a check. Using a credit card anyplace. The list goes on and on.
The arguments against showing a vaild ID are ALL ludicrous. Of course, the Left will never admit that they want as many people voting regardless of citizenship status. I believe that many of these people don't believe in the sovreignty of the U.S. and, futhermore, that "citizenship" should be bestowed on anybody that manages to sneak across our border. So, legal or illegal it makes no difference to these people. Heck, some of these idiots think that the murderers and rapists sitting in our jails should have the right to vote as well. We need not get into how many dead people manage somehow to vote Democrat each year.
Posted by: Blu at September 02, 2006 11:31 AM (Wc+84)
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Blu,
SOmetimes you are an insufferable ass. None of what you argue is true. And don't confuse presenting ID with the NEw laws. What you present at Blockbuster, or the bank, or the supermarket will not work anymore at the poling station. They have made it harder and with only one purpose in mind;Reduce democratic voters. It is all about poverty and hardship. You and Kyle and Mike are completely dissengenuous when you say stuoid shit like "we all have equall access to our records". We don't and you fucking well know it. As for dead people voting in Georgia:Apocrahphyl! According to the Republican sec. of state. Just bad record keeping. But the R lives on lies and just keeps telling them until they forget the truth. Explain the FL felon list to me Blu?
Yup, Kyle, thanks for the history lesson, I think you've been drinkin margarita's non stop since birth.
Posted by: strawman at September 02, 2006 12:06 PM (tuy00)
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So, just for the record, Straw. You oppose the idea of proving that you are who you say you are, a registered voter and a US citizen, when going to vote. It is a simple question. The only reason to oppose this is because you want people to vote who should not be voting. Period.
Posted by: Blu at September 02, 2006 01:26 PM (Wc+84)
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Blu,
What does "period" mean? You make the most assine inference from what I wrote and then you say "Period'? I don't get it.
If I believed you thought for a moment that the difference between the R and the Dem's is that one only wishes to see fairness in elections and and the other strives for the right to let dogs and meerkats vote I would have stopped talking to you months ago. You don't believe it yet the words still come. Try a little honesty once and a while.
Posted by: strawman at September 03, 2006 11:12 AM (tuy00)
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Honesty: I believe that Reps don't want people voting who ought not be voting due to their citizenship status - this is partly due to ethics and partly due to the fact that fradulent voting is more likley to benefit Democrats. Democrats want people to vote without the benefit of ID because they know that fradulent votes will likely benefit them. There those like you - I'll take you at your word - that feel like showing an ID is some sort of undue burden that unequally falls on minorities. So, not requiring an ID soothes your conscience by (1) lifting that "burden" and (2)erasing any ethical consequences related to fradulent voting because if nobody has to prove who they are then nobody knows for certain who is or is not a legal voter.
More honesty: Reps prefer a lower turnout because that usually benefits our side as our voters are generally more reliable than yours.
Personally, I believe there should be no situation where a person can vote without legal photo ID.
All of this I honestly believe.
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Let's see, I'm trying to remember what the Strawman wanted from the Wizard of Oz.
Oh, yeah. Well, it's clear he never got it.
Posted by: shelly at September 03, 2006 02:22 PM (ZGpMS)
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Blu,
(Shelly, what I wanted and have had in recent times is not to have unctuous selfsatisified smelts like yourself nipping at my heels.)
Not lets get this straight Blu, because I think there is a large flaw in all of this and that is your assumption that the dem's wish people to vote without showing some form of ID. This is the strawman of this argument that you seem to have swallowed. NOBODY, I repeat NOBODY is suggesting that showing an ID is intrusive and some sort of civil liberties violation nor is anybody suggesting that a situation should be advanced where the possiblity of those not permitted to vote should be enhanced. NOBODY.
What is at stake is that people who HAVE the right to vote are having impediments put in their path. This is ALL that THIS IS ABOUT. Impediments to LEGAL voters who also are to a greater extent likely to vote democrtatic because they are african-americans or are poor.
Blu, get a grip.
There are many forms of ID. 40 some states are using them without a problem. People who may not drive may have credit cards, picture ID.s from their supermarket chain or video store, or their place of employment (lockeed martin, the Post office, McDonalds,) These people cannot register with this ID BECAUSE the new law prohibits registering unless you have a DL or this NEWLY created ID issued by the state at a few locations. Bus fare, gas for your car, the 10.00 fee for the ID and having access to a prima facia form of ID are all required for this new ID to be issued. Blu, do birth certificates have a picture on them? So what the fuck good is the new ID if it is based on bullshit? IT is no good is the point but it will cause thousands in many states to be disenfranchised and is part of a cynical and most likely illegal political strategy.
Your honesty is somewhat refreshing as far as it goes. You know that in this country the prevalence of people voting who shold not be is completely insignificant and that, especially in the SOuth the disenfranchisement of significant numbers is and has historically been significant.
Posted by: strawman at September 03, 2006 03:17 PM (tuy00)
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strawman,
If someone has a store card from Sears and they didn't need to produce a legitimate ID in order to obtain it, then what good is it for positive ID at the polling place?
"Um, yeah... I'd like a library card, please? My name... and no ID required? Uh... Joey Joe-Joe Junior Shabadoo. Yeah, that's the ticket..."
And this ID is good enough, in your estimation, for vote casting? So any shmoe can collect various cheesy IDs for his friends and relatives and vote all day long. And, even if he's caught, there's no way to undo the damage since votes are cast anonymously.
A valid state photo ID is a common sense requirement. Will it prevent me -- with my Right to vote -- from casting a ballot if I show up without my wallet? Yep. So what? I have a Right to vote, but not a Right to commit vote fraud.
Would it allay your fear of a "poll tax" if all eligible voters who do not currently have a state-issued photo ID were issued one F.O.C.?
Posted by: Tuning Spork at September 03, 2006 06:58 PM (3ENL4)
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Respectfully Straw I must take issue regarding the typical reference to the 'south' in your comments. I'm not a southerner by birth and when I moved to the Atlanta area in the early seventies you could justifiably make the case that discrimination still prevailed. If I'm not mistaken even the great Carter ran first on a segregationist platform even if no one came right out and said it. (back in his statewide days)
Now Atlanta is a great city run by minorities, some of whom would likely take offense at the notion that they aren't smart or wealthy enough to aquire the requisite I.D. for voting. Granted the rest of the state is now largely Republican but there's more to this than just politics. (When the Dems were in power they had their own
tricks like gerimandered districts that crisscrossed the state following black population)
If there were no other reason the illegal imigrant
situation would be enough in my opinion. And this conflicts with my setiment that illegals should have driver's lisenses so that they are insured, in which case I'd be happy to get a new voter I.D.
I will admit I am not purely democratic by any stretch. I would prefer it if state assemblies still elected U.S. senators and I've even entertained the idea (not too seriously) that
only property owners should vote, but please- let's keep that our little secret.
Posted by: Mike C. at September 03, 2006 07:09 PM (vFS/o)
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In keeping with this topic, I'm certain you will all be excited to hear that liberals in TN and MD are doing their best to make certain that ex-Felons - yes, murderers and rapist - are allowed to vote immediately upon release. The forces behind this push are the usual suspects:
The NAA(L)CP and the very un-American ACLU. Well, at least they are correct about one thing: The odds are that most ex-felons are Democrats.
Posted by: Blu at September 05, 2006 09:39 AM (j8oa6)
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Blu,
How clever.
But, those who think black leaders or just plain folk will be offended that part of the augment against State issued ID's is poverty are nuts. They know better than anyone how their people have systematically been coerced away from the polling booth. They see the Georgia law for what it is-more of the same white bullshit fucking with their rights. Show mw a black legislator in Georgia that voted for the bill, please?
I don't deny dem's have gerrymandered and I hate it. It is a process that can, not always, lead to the dimishment of representative government. What is the statistic about the actual number of seats in congress that are really ever in play? 10% 15%?
Furthermore, all you fraud advocates: what would have stopped anybody in the past, legal or illegal from getting multiple id's and voting all day long? Everybody on your side keeps spouting this horse shit about multiple voting yet there is NO, I repeat NO documentation to support the argument that it is currently (last 25 years) a problem. (Please don't cite an isolated case in Idaho; we are talking about numbers that have even the slightest significance)
What about my previous argument that possession of a birth certificate is also meaningless if you want to identify someone? It has no picture, fingerprints, nothing linking it to the person in possession of the doc with the person identified on the document.
So I still maintain that the whole thing is bullshit. Just another attempt by the R to separate voters who do not support their candidates from the booth.
As for felons voting, Blu, that is a decision of State legislators. If a person has done the time presumably society is content and the punishment for their crime is complete. Why give them drivers licenses or let them collect social security, or use a public library, or ride a bus? Why do you pick on voting as the punishment that endures the test of time? Why let them out of prison at all?
Posted by: strawman at September 05, 2006 12:31 PM (tuy00)
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"They see the Georgia law for what it is-more of the same white bullshit fucking with their rights. Show mw a black legislator in Georgia that voted for the bill, please?"
I don't give two shits what any black legislator thinks about this issue. The majority of black Dem legislators I see on C-SPAN or cable sound like racists and would like us to believe that "the man" is out to get them 24/7. (Or how about listening to the bile that comes from Julian Bond's lips any day of the week.) You see, Straw, that's how they keep their jobs. God forbid any of these race-baiters would have to work for a living. You see the "black leaders" go after Cosby for daring the speak truth? Or how about the absolute beating Juan Williams is taking for suggesting that, oh I don't know, black kids learn to speak English?
Straw, did you come of age in that Golden Era of the 60's? I have no clue of your age, but just in case you've forgotten the year is 2006. Nobody is getting lynched -well, except of course for the high tech lynchings that occur to any black conservative who speaks truth to Black Power -; the fire hoses are not being turned on anybody; and the KKK is likened to dog excrement by 99.999% of Americans. I'm sick of whiny fucking minorities; but, I'm infinitely more sick and tired of their white, guilt-trippin', forever livin' in the 60's colleagues. Get over it. But, mostly, get over yourselves and your annoying self-righteousness. The problems of the black community are their own and won't be solved by guilty white liberals and black race baiters.
"Whitey" ain't keeping nobody down, yo.
Posted by: Blu at September 05, 2006 03:40 PM (TVuWZ)
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p.s.
"Why do you pick on voting as the punishment that endures the test of time? Why let them out of prison at all?"
I actually agree with you on this, Straw. As much as the idea of a violent felon voting disturbs me, I do think that a person who has done his time should be free to exercise his right to vote. I just think it is interesting how transparent and frankly ironic it is. The ACLU and the NAACP don't care about these people. They are just peasants and pawns in their eyes. It's all about political power - that is what always drives the Left. They know two things: most felons are black and most blacks are Democrats. It's that simple. If most of these felons were white, let me assure you that these two groups would not be pounding the pavement making sure these guys (and gals) could vote.
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August 30, 2006
Ahmadi-Nejad Kisses German Butt
Unless you're reading
Darleen's Place or
Dr. Sanity and a select few other sources of important information, you probably haven't heard about Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad's recent letter to German Chancellor Angela Merkel. That's okay, I understand that there are
far more critical events taking place in the world.
Let me break it down for you.
Ahmadi-Nejad tried to kiss up to the German Chancellor with an appeal to her religious convictions (Chancellor Merkel, unlike 49% of her countrymen and women, believes in God); flattery over Germany's achievements in the arts and sciences; and by patronizing her as a woman with a woman's unique gifts.
The purpose of the letter? To enlist Germany as an ally against the evil U.S.-Zionist worldwide conspiracy. You don't have to read between the lines to realize that Ahmadi-Nejad's impression of the German zeitgeist was probably formed by a close reading of Mein Kampf. He still thinks they're Nazis at heart, and therefore potential friends of Islamofascism.
If you take the middle third of the rambling missive (containing the most anti-semitic passages) and replace the universally accepted euphemism "zionist" with the word he really meant, "jew," it looks like the letter could have been written by Adolf himself.
Sixty years have passed since the end of the war. But, regrettably the entire world and some nations in particular are still facing its consequences. Even now the conduct of some bullying powers and power-seeking and aggressive groups is the conduct of victors with the vanquished.
The extortion and blackmail continue, and people are not allowed to think about or even question the source of this extortion, otherwise they face imprisonment. When will this situation end? Sixty years, one hundred years or one thousand years, when? I am sorry to remind you that today the perpetual claimants against the great people of Germany are the bullying powers and the [jew]s that founded the Al-Qods Occupying Regime [i.e. Israel] with the force of bayonets in the Middle East.
The Honorable Chancellor
I have no intention of arguing about the Holocaust. But, does it not stand to reason that some victorious countries of World War II intended to create an alibi on the basis of which they could continue keeping the defeated nations of World War II indebted to them. Their purpose has been to weaken their morale and their inspiration in order to obstruct their progress and power. In addition to the people of Germany, the peoples of the Middle East have also borne the brunt of the Holocaust. By raising the necessity of settling the survivors of the Holocaust in the land of Palestine, they have created a permanent threat in the Middle East in order to rob the people of the region of the opportunities to achieve progress. The collective conscience of the world is indignant over the daily atrocities by the [jew] occupiers, destruction of homes and farms, killing of children, assassinations and bombardments.
Excellency, you have seen that the [jew] government does not even tolerate a government elected by the Palestinian people, and over and over again has demonstrated that it recognizes no limit in attacking the neighboring countries.
The question is why did the victors of the war, especially England that had apparently such a strong sense of responsibility toward the survivors of the Holocaust not allow them to settle in their territory. Why did they force them to migrate to other people's land by launching a wave of anti-Semitism? Using the excuse for the settlement of the survivors of the Holocaust, they encouraged the Jews worldwide to migrate and today a large part of the inhabitants of the occupied territories are non-European Jews. If tyranny and killing is condemned in one part of the world, can we acquiesce and go along with tyranny, killing, occupation and assassinations in another part of the world simply in order to redress the past wrongs?
Excellency
We need to ask ourselves that for what purposes the millions of dollars that the [jew]s receive from the treasury of some Western countries are spent for. Are they used for the promotion of peace and the well-being of the people? Or are they used for waging war against Palestinians and the neighboring countries. Are the nuclear arsenals of Israel intended to be used in defense of the survivors of the Holocaust or as a permanent thereat against nations of the region and as an instrument of coercion, and possibly to defend the interests of certain circles of power in the Western countries.
Regrettably, the influence of the [jew]s in the economy, media and some centers of political power has endangered interests of the European nations and has robbed them of many opportunities. The main alibi for this approach is the extortion they exact from the Holocaust.
One can imagine what standing some European countries could have had and what global role they could have played, if it had not been for this sixty-year old imposition.
I believe we both share the view that the flourishing of nations and their role are directly related to freedom and sense of pride.
Fortunately, with all the pressures and limitations, the great nation of Germany has been able to take great strides toward advancement and has become a major economic powerhouse in Europe that also seeks to play a more effective role in international interactions. But just imagine where Germany would be today in terms of its eminence among the freedom-loving nations, Muslims of the world and peoples of Europe, if such a situation did not exist and the governments in power in Germany had said no to the extortions by the [jew]s and had not supported the greatest enemy of mankind.
"The greatest enemy of mankind." That is just scary.
The man is so clueless about the progress of history, that he actually believes he can win Germany to his side by appealing to a wounded national pride that he imagines the Germans still feel. Germany has changed since 1945, not always for the better. But if it retains any nationalistic tendencies, it's people like Ahmadi-Nejad who need to worry. No, if Germany ends up aligning itself with Iran, it will be the pacifists and appeasers who'll be responsible for that decision.
I recommend reading the entire letter. Ahmadi-Nejad tries so hard to sound worldly and intellectual, but he just comes off as a poseur trying too hard to make friends. He and Hugo Chavez could form their own Axis of Smarmy.
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This is what comes with lacking the will to lead in this world. Time was when we would squeeze third world midgits, and make them go away. Now we have to sweat the hand-wringing of the weak-kneed amongst us.
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August 29, 2006
Katherine Harris
I don't really know much about the Florida Senate race, beyond the widely reported comments of Katherine Harris. And you all know how I feel about the so-called "separation" of church and state. But I just got done listening to Medved's interview with Harris on the radio, and even Medved, a sympathetic questioner, couldn't prevent her from coming off as a complete idiot.
Well hell, she's an embarassment, but why should the Democrats have a monopoly on bubbleheads in Congress?
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This woman is a train wreck. If she had any brains or stones in 2000, she'd have stepped on the Dade County Board of Elections, and kept the SCOTUS out of it. She was the fucking Sec of State, and arbiter of election law in FL!
That she is the Rep Candidate for Senate says alot about the party down there. Worst of all, she's going to end up a tragic, broke, loser, and cost us the seat.
Posted by: Casca at August 29, 2006 01:46 PM (Z2ndo)
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Yup she is everything you said she is, but that ole gal got a nice set of cans.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 29, 2006 02:02 PM (ZkbfM)
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She's a total wackjob. Given the lack of a primary runnoff here in Florida, I still believe there's an outside possibility one of her relatively unknown primary opponents could beat her: it would probably require Charlie Crist, the likely gubernatorial nominee, to endorse one of them so that anti-Harris votes don't split three ways.
Posted by: Dave J at August 29, 2006 03:11 PM (SKqxt)
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When is the primary?
As for her cans, at least she won't go hungry.
Posted by: Casca at August 29, 2006 04:52 PM (2gORp)
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The primary's Tuesday which, yes, I know means what I wrote above is pretty much just wishful thinking.
Posted by: Dave J at August 29, 2006 05:02 PM (SKqxt)
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I listened to her primary opponent on Medved's show earlier in the week. He certainly wasn't an idiot, but he didn't blow me away either. We're gonna lose that seat.
And, yeah, she's got great tits.
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Bush's Gift Horse has Hoof in Mouth, again!
Hello Annika and all,
This gets to the root of the problem of deluded and greedy politicians who seek to impose their own ignorance on millions of others. Because of our reliance on money, politics, and religion, we are teetering on the verge of worldwide disaster. Idiots like Ms. Harris couldn't care less about everyone else as long as they get their hands on wealth and power, even if it means
pretending to serve the Creator. It is long past time that people stand up for truth and justice and give these scoundrels their due.
Read the rest here...
Peace...
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Katherine Harris may be foolish... you sir are industriously so.
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August 24, 2006
Iran's War Against Women
I just read
Photon Courier's excellent post about the murder of Atefeh Sahaleh by the Iranian government. I call it a murder because I learned in my first year criminal law course that the term is defined as "the unjustified killing of a human being by another." What was Atefeh Sahaleh's crime? Having sex.
Oh, she was 16 years old.
[Still think the Iranians are basically nice guys who can be reasoned with?]
So, that led me to Amnesty International's excessively neutral post about the execution. You've heard of Amnesty International. They're the organization that's always criticizing the United States because we still have capital punishment.
So then I decided to compare stats. Without looking, can you guess which country killed more women last year?
If you guessed Iran, you'd be correct. In 2005, only one woman was executed in the United States.
[Her name was Frances Newton, and she was executed by lethal injection on September 14, 2005, by the State of Texas. When she was 24 years old, she shot her husband Adrian, her 7 year old son Alton, and her 21 month old daughter Farrah with a .25 caliber pistol to collect life insurance money. Frances Newton was 40 by the time she was finally executed for the crimes.]
Then I went over to a site called Women's Forum Against Fundamentalism In Iran. It's worth bookmarking if you're curious at all about the type of society our enemy would like to impose upon us.
Just looking at the left sidebar, which contains links to various news stories, is pretty enlightening. Here's a selection of headlines:
Amnesty International: Young woman, Delara Darabi, 19, facing imminent execution
A Kurdish woman sentenced to stoning
More crackdown on women
Women-only buses another government run, gender-apartheid program
Iran’s police stop 10-year-old girl for “mal-veiling”
Women ejected by force from Iran stadium
300,000 homeless women in Iran capital
Iran police prevent women from watching football match
Iran's Islamist rulers want sex segregation on pavements
Iran to hang another teenage girl attacked by rapists
Iran to execute two other women
An Iranian woman in the town of Varamin is sentenced to death by stoning
Iran sentences a woman to death by hanging
Another woman is sentenced to death by stoning in Iran
Female workers are ordered to get home by dusk to serve their families
Senior Iran cleric: Prostitutes must be hanged
Iran to execute two other women
Iran to hang 19-year old mother
Sixty Iranian women activists made a public appeal on Thursday for the release of a Kurdish feminist campaigner
Fundamentalists recruit Women for Martyrdom Seeker Movement in Iran.
Post-election, A New Wave of Crackdown on Women.
Thousands join womenÂ’s anti-government demonstration in Tehran.
Crackdown on Women.
Defeating misogyny in Iran .
Save the Women, Save Ourselves.
UN women's rights official raps Iran over abuses.
Four Iranian Women were executed in 2004 by public hanging or stoning. There are 14 women to be hanged or stoned to death in coming days, weeks or months.
A woman is facing stoning in next five days
A 19 year old mentally ill girl is facing imminent execution in Iran
Another woman facing stoning in Iran
13 year old, Jila, facing death by stoning flogged 55 times
Iranian Student protest forced veiling
Imminent execution of a 33-year-old Iranian women, Fatemeh Haghighat-Pajouh...
Iran moves to roll back rights won by women...
Violence, poverty and abuse led girl, 16, to gallows...
Amnesty International outraged at the reported execution of a 16 year old girl in Iran...
'Painful' day as mother's death recalled. Zahra Kazemi's son still seeks answers. He has no faith in upcoming Iranian trial.
Iran's government has launched a crackdown on women who flout the strict Islamic dress codes during the hot summer months.
One of the links contains
a story that is enough to make you want to cry. Here it is:
An Iranian court has sentenced a teenage rape victim to death by hanging after she weepingly confessed that she had unintentionally killed a man who had tried to rape both her and her niece.
The state-run daily Etemaad reported on Saturday that 18-year-old Nazanin confessed to stabbing one of three men who had attacked the pair along with their boyfriends while they were spending some time in a park west of the Iranian capital in March 2005.
Nazanin, who was 17 years old at the time of the incident, said that after the three men started to throw stones at them, the two girlsÂ’ boyfriends quickly escaped on their motorbikes leaving the pair helpless.
She described how the three men pushed her and her 16-year-old niece Somayeh onto the ground and tried to rape them, and said that she took out a knife from her pocket and stabbed one of the men in the hand.
As the girls tried to escape, the men once again attacked them, and at this point, Nazanin said, she stabbed one of the men in the chest. The teenage girl, however, broke down in tears in court as she explained that she had no intention of killing the man but was merely defending herself and her younger niece from rape, the report said.
The court, however, issued on Tuesday a sentence for Nazanin to be hanged to death.
Instead of telling us how attractive he thinks Ahmadi-Nejad is, perhaps Mike Wallace should have spent an hour letting the world know about the above, completely barbaric death sentence against an innocent child.
You know, fuck Mike Wallace, fuck Ahmadi-Nejad, and fuck the fucking mullahs. These people are so completely evil, I can't even finish what I was going to write.
Update: Thanks to Beth of MVRWC, I've been alerted to this update regarding the Nazanin case.
On 3 January, 18-year-old Nazanin was sentenced to death for murder by a criminal court, after she reportedly admitted stabbing to death one of three men who attempted to rape her and her 16-year-old niece in a park in Karaj in March 2005. She was 17 at the time. (See Iran: Amnesty International calls for end to death penalty for child offenders, MDE 13/005/2006, 16 January 2006). At the end of May the Supreme Court rejected the death sentence against Nazanin, reportedly on the instructions of the Head of the Judiciary, Ayatollah Mahmoud Hashemi Shahroudi. The case will reportedly be retried in August and sent to a lower court for further investigation.
One more thing. The
Wikipedia article on Nazanin points out that Iran's death penalty can be applied to males as young as fifteen,
and females as young as nine!
The Iranian government really is waging a war against women!
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Thanks, Annika. In case you missed it, see also the first paragraph of
this post.
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How terrible. And good for you Annika . . . for your mind, your passion, your commitment to justice.
I'll keep this girl in my prayers. May God see her decency and courage.
Posted by: Roach at August 24, 2006 08:17 PM (TY/gr)
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Yeesh, shades of the Inquisition. Thanks for bringing these topics to light here. Keep this up and you'll become a blog center of gravity for Iranian news and analysis.
I was puzzled by your Mike Wallace reference, as I didn't see a link provided; he spent an hour talking about how good she looked??
Posted by: will at August 25, 2006 08:51 AM (h7Ciu)
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Annika,
This is among many, the serious and frightful aspects of the unrelenting will of Islam to be a government as well as a religion. The devout practitioners of this religion are not at peace unless the divide between religious and civil law is erased. I am constantly saddened by the plight of women in the Islamic world.
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Wallace did an interview afer his interview with the Mad Man in which he among other things talked about what an attractive man he (the Mad Man) is -not just physically. Apparently, according to Wallace, the guy has "presence." To which I say, so fucking what: so did Hitler and so does Castro. (I suspect one doesn't become a successful tyrant without a pretty compelling personality.)
Wallace discredited himself in both interviews - the one he conducted and the one he gave.
Posted by: Blu at August 25, 2006 09:56 AM (8M2kt)
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Excellent post, you would think this is an issue the MSM would pick up on, considering all the factors are memes they like to harp on, but hey, its too much to have Mike Wallace ask about that. Or CNN. There is no fucking perspective in the news we are given and its making this country stupider by the day. The War on Terror will be lost if such mass misinformation continues. There is no venue for a sustained discussion of these matters, just people talking past each other waiting for the next election, and then they'll do it all again.
Posted by: Scof at August 25, 2006 10:53 AM (a3fqn)
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Scof-
America, baby! When has it ever been different? The venal leading the confused
Posted by: strawman at August 25, 2006 12:23 PM (tuy00)
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I agree completely Annika- fuck 'em, fuck all of the ragheaded a**holes. I'm glad you tell it like it is, unlike the supposedly-mainsteam media.
Really enjoy your blog, btw!
Posted by: zman at August 25, 2006 02:14 PM (w2MUu)
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I was amused once when I heard the old historian Author Schlesinger debating with one of those multi-cultural wonders who were arguing about the worth of Ideologies like Islam.
Now Art was an old time big lefty. But he didn't buy into the new trends. When the arrogant little wannabe said "But we have so much to learn from the great cultures of the third world" Arthur asked him
"And what things would those be? Cannibalism, polygamy, slavery, Sutee, genital mutilation, foot binding?"
Posted by: kyle8 at August 25, 2006 02:31 PM (EdUDv)
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zman,
i say if you are willing to write "fuck" then, what the heck, go for it and write "ass" as well. nobody around here gets too worked up over profanity.
Posted by: Blu at August 25, 2006 02:33 PM (8M2kt)
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Nice quote Kyle. Schlesinger was one of the good minds on the Left. Wrong on a lot of issues but often correct on some larger issues - espcially multi-culturalism and political correctness. Daniel Patrick Moynihan was another guy on the Left that often got some of the bigger issues right. He understood early on the legacy that welfare would leave on the poor - especially the Black poor. Hard to imagine a time when the Left wasn't completely nuts, isn't it?
Posted by: Blu at August 25, 2006 02:40 PM (8M2kt)
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Blu wrote: "Wallace did an interview afer his interview with the Mad Man in which he among other things talked about what an attractive man he (the Mad Man) is -not just physically. Apparently, according to Wallace, the guy has 'presence.'"
Thanks for the info, Blu. I'll have to track it down.
And oddly enough, Mike could have been talking about GWB during the 2000 election, though it would have been more down home presence.
Posted by: will at August 25, 2006 02:48 PM (h7Ciu)
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I know sweety, this is really bad. There are some who are watching it all. Those in charge over there will be held acountable. Be patient.
Peace, take care now.
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Iran Already Has The Bomb
Is the
big surprise, which the Iranians are planning within the next few days, an announcement that they already have the bomb?
Read this chilling interview with former Danish agent Regnar Rasmussen in Front Page Mag. He says the Iranians already got three warheads from Kazakhstan back in the nineties.
In autumn 1991 Nursultan Nazarbayev, the president of Khazakhstan, sold three nuclear warheads to the Iranians. The Iranians wanted to use them as a prototype for their own bomb manufacturing. The price was said to have been 7.5 billion USD. Whether this amount is true or just the fantasies of a less paid government official, I cannot verify. The amount was to cover all bribes and kick-offs and military protection during transport. Every country involved had demanded their fair share of the deal.
Anyway, the warheads were removed from a military depot somewhere in Kazakhstan and transported by train down to Makhachkala in Daghestan. Here they were reloaded onto huge trucks and then taken through the Caucasian region and into Turkey. In the city of Dogubeyazit the Iranians met the convoy and took over. The three vehicles were then driven by Iranian drivers down to the border post Bazargan, where they entered Iranian territory.
The warheads were brought down to Teheran and parked in the military campus Lavizan. Here they were seen by a soldier who later defected to Israel and told the story to the Israeli intelligence services who at that time were unable to verify the matter further. Various rumours have been circulating ever since. Some stories say two bombs, some say four. The correct number, however, is three.
He also speculated whether Pakistan's recent nuclear test was actually a proxy for the Iranians. I think Rasmussen's story is plausible, and he's not the only guy who's been whispering it.
The Wall Street Journal again reminds us that a nuclear Iran would be a bad thing.
“A nuclear-armed Iran would likely embolden the leadership in Tehran to advance its aggressive ambitions in and outside of the region, both directly and through the terrorists it supports—ambitions that gravely threaten the stability and the security of U.S. friends and allies,” says the House Intelligence report. With a nuclear arsenal that they felt protected them from retaliation, the mullahs would also be more likely to use conventional military force in the Middle East. The domino effect as Turkey, Egypt and the Saudis sought their own nuclear deterrent would also not be “stabilizing,” to cite the highest value of our Middle Eastern “realists.” And don’t forget President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad’s vow that “Israel must be wiped off the map.”
As if any thinking person needs such a reminder. Yet, incredibly, some people are still in denial. And it's funny that those are often the same people who think we need to get out of Iraq immediately. As I've said before, one often overlooked result of a nuclear Iran will be that the United States will be forced to stay in Iraq indefinitely --
and to deploy intermediate range nuclear missiles there for the purpose of deterrence. I promise you, I'm not wrong about this.
h/t Regime Change Iran & Protein Wisdom
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Nukes in Iraq, interesting...today I feel like we should give Europe alot of shit. I mean it is their continent which'll likely get hit, besides Israel, from an Iranian missle. Yet these fucks can't even put troops on the groun to help out in Lebanon. I don't understand why Leftist politicians want to die.
Posted by: Scof at August 24, 2006 11:07 AM (a3fqn)
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"I don't understand why Leftist politicians want to die."
I do.
They feel guilty for having lived an easy life and reaping the benefits of a civilized and free culture without having to work too hard.
Instead of blaming terrorists and their like for their own circumstances, they blame themselves (the west). If punishment is death by nuclear incineration, so be it. We "deserve" it.
They're that stupid.
Posted by: Rob at August 24, 2006 12:04 PM (9DumO)
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There are an awful lot of people determined to ignore the true nature of Iran, Hezbollah, and our other enemies. The psychology was captured by Arthur Koestler in a chilling metaphor which I excerped
here.
Posted by: david foster at August 24, 2006 01:21 PM (/Z304)
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You make an excellent point about cold war deterrence in your post, David. We
did come close to nuclear war with the Russians on multiple occasions. When those breakdowns in MAD occurred, we were able to avert disaster precisely because our opponents, at the very least, still wanted to live. We were able to talk to each other.
What if our nuclear opponents in the next war don't care about dying? What if they actually want martyrdom? It's a completely different situation.
Iran CAN NOT be allowed to go nuclear.
Posted by: annika at August 24, 2006 05:59 PM (qQD4Q)
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That dave foster dude is one smart brainiac. The Photon Courier is kewl.
As for MAD working, and being on the brink of nuclear exchange... you must be thinking about movies, because it never happened in the real world. Please point out the error of my ways.
Your conclusion however is correct. We must defeat the forces of evil.
Posted by: Casca at August 24, 2006 06:34 PM (2gORp)
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Why thank you, Casca.
I can think of at least two cases where we came far too close to nuclear war. (1)A Soviet warning system picked up the sun reflecting off various structures in the American Midwest, and interpreted it as a large number of simultaneous Minuteman launches. Apparently, it was only one cool-headed Soviet officer who kept things from getting out of hand. (2)Shortly after the American BMEWS (radar+computer) system was installed, it picked up the moon, and reported it as Soviet incoming missiles. (Apparently, the extreme range of the radar system had not been understood.) This wasn't as serious as incident (1), since the computer part of BMEWS noted velocities not consistent with missiles, but still, Cheyenne Mountain went on alert while the situation was sorted out.
Of course, there was also the Cuban missile crisis.
Posted by: david foster at August 24, 2006 07:16 PM (/Z304)
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I saw a profile (on 20/20 i think) of that Russian officer. It was apparently "this is not a drill" time, and it was up to him to turn the key, but luckily he saved the world on a hunch! He lives in obscurity now, by the way.
Posted by: annika at August 24, 2006 07:21 PM (qQD4Q)
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Mythology, particularly the "Cuban Missle Crisis".
Only the President has the authority to launch/use special weapons. I'm sure that the Soviets has a similar system. No mere Colonel is going to "launch".
The Cuban situation was entirely a question of Maritime Power Projection. Read Mahan, the Soviets didn't have a blue water navy.
Posted by: Casca at August 24, 2006 09:15 PM (2gORp)
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Iran is never going to admit they have the bomb, unless some great sea-change in political affairs occurs. Their whole public stance, both domestically and internationally, is that they want to enrich uranium for peaceful purposes, that this is their right under the NNPT, that the "forces of world arrogance" want to stop the technological development of the Iranian nation in order to maintain hegemony, that the supreme leader has issued a fatwa banning WMDs, etc., etc.
Posted by: mitchell porter at August 24, 2006 09:24 PM (shx+O)
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The bomb is useless unless, A) people know you have it so it can affect their behavior towards you (c.f. Israel), or B) you use it on somebody (c.f. USA).
Posted by: annika at August 24, 2006 09:41 PM (qQD4Q)
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Israel's public policy is neither to confirm nor deny that they have nukes, but everyone presumes that Israel has them, perhaps several hundred, and so they have a deterrent. Iran's public policy is to deny that they even want nukes, but clearly they are not very far from having them if they want them, and so a similar potential for deterrence from ambiguity exists. I don't know what their actual strategic thinking is, but meanwhile, the Iranian government is accumulating domestic political capital from nuclear nationalism, framed as an issue of energy, technology, and sovereignty. Also recall that their tactics against Israel are political as well as military. They will neither abandon enrichment, nor do anything to deliberately indicate that they are actually building a bomb; they have way too many other tactical options to want to play that card in the foreseeable future.
Posted by: mitchell porter at August 24, 2006 10:48 PM (shx+O)
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Presumably, the Soviets had a system in which political leadership had to approve any launch; however, given the very short time windows for making the decision, the manner in which the situation was framed by the military, and their recommendation, would likely have a determining effect. If the message is "the Americans have launched dozens of Minutemen and we need to respond" the outcome is likely to be very different from "we're seeing strange patterns from America and think it is probably a technical problem."
Posted by: david foster at August 25, 2006 07:17 AM (/Z304)
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Casca,
My understanding of the situation in Cuba was that the local commander had the authority to use field nukes if we invaded. McNamara attested to this in his book and admitted that at the time of the decision nobody on our side was aware of fact that the field nukes were even in Cuba. I'd rather not say who but i have had conversations with a player at that table.
Posted by: strawman at August 25, 2006 12:36 PM (tuy00)
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Having spent a little time inside Cheyenne Mountain, I need to correct Casca a bit. That is, unless things have changed in the last five years or so.
When a launch is detected anywhere in the world, there is a short period (just a few minutes)in which they can determine from the ballistics exactly where the weapon is headed. A Bird or equivalent is on site at all times
There is a Four Star within minutes of Cheyenne who heads into the command center and within yet a few minutes more they have the President and the Prime Minister of Canada on the telephone.
It's been a while, but I think the whole sequence is @20 or 21 minutes. Then, I believe it takes both the President and the Prime Minister to jointly approve retalitory launches.
I always wondered what the Four Star would do if the President ordered the attack and the Prime Minister didn't agree.
Posted by: shelly at August 26, 2006 07:34 AM (ZGpMS)
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"Having spent a little time inside Cheyenne Mountain." Was that Cheyenne Mountain the porn star? I assure you Shelly, as you know, most 4-stars know who they work for.
As for McNamara, the man is a fucking liar whose every utterance is a defense of his craven incompetent behavior as SecDef. He's got a lot of blood on his hands, and he knows it.
A lot of the cold war nuclear hand-wringing was based on cultural misunderstanding on both sides. Once Stalin was out of the picture, the Soviets entered the world of modern bureaucracy, and while they had an interest on playing on the world stage, like all professional militarys, they had no interest in actually turning the cold war hot in a big way.
Posted by: Casca at August 26, 2006 12:39 PM (2gORp)
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Casca,
Are you talkingto me?
I agree he is a man of perfidy and deceit ( I would also venture that were you and I to have the opportunity to hang him it would be for two completely different bills) but the facts of the Cuban situation I mentioned were not put into evidence by him. He was responding to recent documents that the russians released and Bill was only cementing your opinion of himself by admitting "I had no idea....." the field nukes were there and that they were to be used.
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A Lengthy And Perhaps Unnecessary Post Of Dubious Mathematical Merit To Illustrate Something You Probably Already Know
Guys like Chuck Hagel and David Gergen seem to think that talking to the Iranians will prevent them from joining the nuclear club. It's a crazy idea, and I don't understand why so many notable people have put their faith in this silly course of action.
Iran is presented with a finite number of choices and outcomes, which can be easily and logically analyzed. At the end of any honest analysis, you can see that it is simply not in the mullahs' interest to negotiate away their nuclear arms program. Therefore it's logical to assume that they won't, not only because they have repeatedly said they won't, but also because the best possible course of action from Iran's point of view (regardless of whether they are rational or irrational actors) is to continue their program until they get the bomb.
It's like simple math.
Assume three possible outcomes available to Iran from the current state of negotiations.
Outcome ON: Iran gets a nuclear weapon.1
Outcome OI: Iran gets a package of incentives from the West.
Outcome OS: International sanctions imposed on Iran, most likely a combination of economic and diplomatic restrictions.
Assume that the Iranians desire outcomes O
N and O
I, and wish to avoid outcome O
S.
Although it's not essential to my analysis, you may also assume that the West2 wishes to prevent outcome ON, but also that the values of outcomes OI and OS are variable and uncertain, due to dissention within the West.
Now at first glance, one can see two alternative courses of action for Iran that are obvious.
Course of action CA1: Iran refuses to abandon its nuclear enrichment program, rejects all efforts at compromise, and continues working until they get the bomb.
Course of action CA2: Iran abandons its nuclear program in exchange for the package of incentives offered by the West.
If Iran takes course of action CA
1, they give up outcome O
I. On the other hand, if Iran takes course of action CA
2, they give up outcome O
N. Therefore the Iranians must decide between the following values (remembering that O
S is a negative value):
CA1 = ON - (OI + OS)
or alternatively,
CA2 = (OI + OS) - ON
Those equations demonstrate that the West needs to make the value of their carrot+stick package equal to or greater than the value of an Iranian nuclear bomb. Thus, if (O
I + O
S) > O
N, then CA
2 > CA
1. If true, Iran should then choose CA
2. Even if the values were exactly equal, Iran would probably choose CA
2, simply for the sake of peace and goodwill.
However, we live in the real world and we all know that the value of a nuclear weapon to the country that possesses it far outweighs the value of any combination of incentives or sanctions the West could possibly offer. Especially if said country has already expressed its desire to wipe a hated enemy off the map, and has recently sent weapons, including rockets, missiles and drones to a proxy army fighting said hated enemy as recently as this month.
Given the above, one would assume that Iran would pursue course of action CA1, but as we have seen, they continue to pay lip service to the negotiation track, CA2. Are they really pursuing course of action CA2? Not if CA1 > CA2! What then, are they doing?
Perhaps there is a CA3, a third course of action that would tempt Iran with the opportunity to gain outcomes ON and OI at the same time without incurring any sanctions.
CA3 = (CA1 + CA2) = (ON + OI) - OS
Remember O
S is a negative value, so the above equation simplifies to:
CA3 = (ON + OI + OS)
A hefty sum indeed! Perhaps Iran believes it can have it all by simply agreeing to a compromise, while secretly pursuing the holy grail of enrichment
a la North Korea.
But CA3 contains one flaw: verification. Certainly the West, weak as its negotiating position is, will never agree to deliver incentives without a gauranteed inspection regime. Although the inspections might be watered down, we already know about the Esfahan, Natanz, and Arak facilities, so it would be difficult for the Iranians to refuse access to those sites. Some experts estimate the number of centrifuges necessary at Natanz for a decent enrichment program to be 50,000. That kind of operation would be hard to disguise or relocate.
That's why I think Iran is following another course of action, CA4:
CA4 = (ON x TNT) - (OI - OS)
When multiplied by a factor of sufficient time (T), gained by negotiating tactics (N
T), Iran can ultimately win the big prize: a nuclear bomb. Although they give up the Western incentive package, that loss is offset by the fact that they don't suffer any real sanctions (thus, O
I - O
S). That's because once Iran gets the bomb, sanctions become problematic. Everybody is going to have to kiss their ass then, and the probable severity of any sanctions the fickle West might be able to agree upon (which were weak under the best of circumstances) would shrink in proportion to Iran's newfound leverage.
Course of action CA4 translates into what we've been watching unfold during the past several months. Iran negotiates in bad faith, makes empty promises, renegs, delays, obfuscates, then makes more empty promises, all the while maintaining their research and enrichment activity.
It's possible that a compromise settlement might be reached in the near future, but I seriously doubt it. Iran has repeatedly and unambiguously asserted its intention never to give up its enrichment program (a fact that seems to be lost on many negotiation-fixated politicians and pundits). I take the Iranians at their word, because it's not in their interest to give up the bomb. They've already done the math.
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1. Or, more accurately, Iran successfully gains the ability to domestically produce fissile material for manufacturing nuclear weapons. One can assume that creating delivery systems such as missiles and warheads are less of a problem for the Iranians. These can be purchased, or reverse-engineered by Iranian technicians. But weapons grade plutonium and/or uranium from their own factories are what they need to become a nuclear power, and this is the outcome we need to prevent.
2. i.e. the U.S. and certain allies, to varying degrees.
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Cogent and insightful, and also a good reminder of why I went to law school instead of economics grad school.
Posted by: Leif at August 22, 2006 09:13 PM (CPQ57)
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But CA3 contains one flaw: verification. Certainly the West, weak as its negotiating position is, will never agree to deliver incentives without a gauranteed inspection regime.
**cough**jimmycarter**cough**
**cough**northkorea**hack**
**wheeze**billclinton**cough**
Posted by: Tuning Spork at August 22, 2006 09:54 PM (LWDw9)
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It's simpler than that... Gergen and Hagel are entirely motivated in every fiber of their being to act in self-interest. Like the Clintons, they are continually trying to position themselves to achieve or maintain power.
What a fucking laugh, Hagel for President. No doubt Gergen sees him as an opportunity to get back inside the Republican tent.
Posted by: Casca at August 23, 2006 06:26 AM (rEC2k)
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Tuning Spork has this nailed: Do we go back to the Clinton/Albright/Carter tactic - which is essentially to cave in, give them what they want, and then have them fuck us in the end; or, do we get a set and tell them to fuck themselves. I'll be very surprised if we do the latter because I'm beginning to think that the fight is out of the Bushies - and at exactly the wrong time. I hope that I'm wrong.
And if the Dems win the mid-terms it just gets worse as you will have cowards and/or incompetents running one branch of government. The thought of people as literally dumb and naive as Pelosi, Boxer, and Reid running anything ought to scare us almost as much as the Muslim whack jobs in Iran and elsewhere.
Posted by: Blu at August 23, 2006 09:18 AM (j8oa6)
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As usual, Russia and China are doing their best to ensure that Iran faces no serious threat of tough sanctions.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060823/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iran_nuclear_52
Posted by: Blu at August 23, 2006 09:58 AM (j8oa6)
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Congratulations, you're on track to implementing Effects-Based Planning and Operations.
http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/apj/apj05/fal05/lazarus.html
Posted by: will at August 23, 2006 10:11 AM (h7Ciu)
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Interesting link, Will. Thanks. I have heard a lot of smart people make the argument we have not approached the GWOT as comprehensively as Reagan et al did the Cold War. I'm not certain, however, that we know all that is being done currently - well, that is, when the NY Times isn't blabbing to everybody - whereas we know quite a bit about Cold War tactics.
Posted by: Blu at August 23, 2006 10:35 AM (j8oa6)
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Annika, while your analysis was insightful, I don't believe it was cogent.
An analysis of Iran's negotiating strategy can be boiled down to a simple equation which does not require game theory to solve:
West = Satan
All moves, countermoves, etc. proceed from that premise.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at August 23, 2006 12:37 PM (PTRPR)
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math humor done well is hot
Posted by: Scof at August 23, 2006 01:22 PM (a3fqn)
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Funny stuff. But its Simple just as Emperor says.
Iranian government = evil muslim dicks.
Evil muslim dicks must go boom.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 23, 2006 02:01 PM (4T4gx)
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Check out my site, I just posted sumptin funny.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 23, 2006 06:03 PM (r9Oiu)
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The damaged and diseased minds of liberals believe:
that all the hurricanes last year prove Global Warming conclusively–as does the complete lack of hurricanes this year.
that the Apollo Landings were fakes made up in Hollywood, but that Global Warming is real.
that the “Living Constitution” must grow, change and adapt to the times–unless the ChimplerHalliburtonRoveDiebold Junta wishes to data-mine 1-900-OSAMA calls.
that Guns in the hands of the passengers of American Flight 11 would have been dangerous.
that taking money from you at the point of a gun to invest in a Social Security Account that you DO NOT own, and pays 2 % interest, is better for your retirement than your 401 k that you DO own and pays 14%.
that a 13 year old girl is old enough to make up their own mind about an abortion, but too young to have a glass of wine with her parents at Dinner.
that the Government is somehow entitled to 55% of the money you manage to save throughout your life, even though the money was ALREADY taxed before you put it in the bank, and the Government has not done a DAMN THING to earn a penny of it.
that teaching children to never touch a gun is bad if it is done by the NRA, but good if it done by a drunk bitch like Sarah Brady.
that Sex education causes abstinence, but Gun education causes violence.
that belonging to a Religion that preaches peaceful tolerance causes intolerance, but belonging to a religion that preaches intolerance is actually tolerant. (Somebody remind me the last time the Presbyterians declared jihad on the Methodists down the street.)
that allowing non-sectarian prayer in school somehow corrupts the kids and forces religion down their throats, but that teaching children about ISLAM (with role playing!) expands their awareness of the world around them.
that Saddam, Kim Jong Il, and Castro were fairly elected, but President Bush was notÂ…
that Hitler and Stalin didn’t disarm citizens, only Jews, Gypsies, gays, unionists and other “undesirables.” (Yes, a liberal member of the MSM actually said this in the Washington Post.)
that good intentions count for more than good results.
that the reason the was on poverty hasnÂ’t succeeded is that 7 trillion dollars is not enough.
that a 20 year old unwed mother of 4 (from 4 different sperm donors) is entitled to a free ride for the rest of her life.
that when a small country is attacked for no reason by one of its neighbors - that has spent the last 58 years trying to obliterate the small country from the map, the small country is NOT allowed to fight back to protect itÂ’s own citizens.
that Mumia is a hero, but that the police officer he murdered in cold blood was an oppressive jackboot of The Man who deserved to be offed, just because he was a cop.
that Washington DCÂ’s low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, but Arlington, VirginiaÂ’s high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is attributable to the lack of gun control.
that the tiniest possibility of library records may be searched is a violation of civil liberties,
but that flying planes into buildings is not.
that being a member of some minority automatically makes one noble or a victim.
that someone too fucking stupid to figure out how a ballot works has the right to decide how to run the country. Retroactively.
that a student’s “Self Esteem” is more important that the correct answer to 2 + 2.
that an Independent campaign run by a liberal incumbent in the NUTmeg state is a conservative conspiracy.
that marriage is an oppressive, soul-killing, stultifying form of indentured servitude and slavery–and must be extended to as many people as possible.
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Hey, RR, welcome to the (dis)information age!
Posted by: will at August 24, 2006 04:21 PM (h7Ciu)
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Will, you don't think the moonbats on the Left believe much or all of this? I've heard every single one of these sentiments embraced on the Left. If you mean to point out that it is unlikely that every member of the Left believes each of these, well then, hey, you are absolutely right...but, heck, that takes all the fun out the post.
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Iran's Counter-Offer?
ABC News says Iran has delivered their response to the "package of Western incentives aimed at persuading Tehran to suspend uranium enrichment." Apparently, nobody knows what's in the Iranian proposal yet.
How much you wanna bet it's a "demand for Jizya," or a tax on non-muslims. Just a hunch, but we've already had the "call to Islam," so it's time for step two in Ahmadi-Nejad and the Mullah's 3 step plan for jihad.
Update: When you read stories about today's Iranian proposal (indeed, when you read any story about the current standoff), especially by the Associated Press, I want you to notice one conspicuous omission. The AP is always careful to balance the U.S.'s accusation that Iran wants to build a nuclear weapon with a "fair and balanced" disclaimer like this:
Iran says it wants to master the technology to generate nuclear power.
Or this, from Reuters:
Iran says it will not abandon what it calls its right to enrich uranium for use in nuclear power stations.
Yet, you'll never see the mainstream press include a sentence reminding its readers that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadi-Nejad has repeatedly threatened to "wipe Israel off the map."
One might think that little bit of information would add some important perspective to the story.
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I've been looking for the Mahdi all day. Do you mean to tell me that it's THIS goatstool sample? Mike Wallace has had his Walter Duranty moment. No doubt a Pulitzer is in his future.
Posted by: Casca at August 22, 2006 08:57 AM (rEC2k)
Posted by: Scof at August 22, 2006 12:28 PM (a3fqn)
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The offer is gonna amount to "let's talk some more while we keep developing nucs and you stupid Western assholes keep playing with yourselves."
The pussy Euros will cave and the Russians and the Chinese will make certain nobody does anything that might "incite" the Iranians (cuz you know how much those guys care about the plight of the poor Iranian people.) The US will continue to be impotent in these talks - embracing the motto "speak softly and carry a really, really little stick."
Posted by: Blu at August 22, 2006 01:37 PM (j8oa6)
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CASCA, I found the Mahdi, the 12th Imam, He is running a Stop and Rob near my house and he listens to Hip hop, reads his Koran, and wears a Snakes on a Plane T-Shirt.
His name is Azquief Bin Hussien and he told me the fist Mutha-farker he is going to have beheaded is that ass clown Ahmadenejad for blowing his cover.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 22, 2006 02:22 PM (R+pIN)
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When I convert to Islam, I'll be sure to change my name to Assqueef too.
Posted by: reagan80 at August 22, 2006 04:46 PM (FkdeT)
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Being polite, I could say that the president Ahmadi-Nejad is a bit funny. His unrealistic nuclear ambitions could bring his people to a disastrous situation.
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August 20, 2006
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
From the
New York Times:
A senior Bush administration official said Thursday that he anticipated that the United Nations would move rapidly in September to impose sanctions on Iran if it refused to halt uranium enrichment . . .
Ha ha ha ha ha.
"I think we would want to move very quickly in the first part of September toward a debate in the Security Council about sanctions," he said. "They will be well deserved as this has gone on a long time."
Ha ha ha ha ha.
The resolution passed by the Security Council on July 31 demands that Iran suspend its uranium enrichment and reprocessing work by the end of August or face the possibility of sanctions. It noted the need for “further decisions,” however, before any punishments for noncompliance could be pursued.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
“The will of a lot of countries has been strengthened by watching the Iranian government trying to destabilize both Lebanon and Israel over the last 30 to 40 days,” he said.
Ha ha ha ha ha.
The Iranian government denies that it is seeking to develop nuclear weapons and says its nuclear program is peaceful, for research and energy development.
That is no laughing matter.
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August 19, 2006
My Solution To The Fifth Column Problem
The civilized world is in trouble. At a time when our reputation for getting things done around the globe is in doubt, radical Islam's reputation is gaining steam. Israel just lost its first war, at the hands of a bunch of cowards who hid behind women and children. Only a week after we stopped a major terrorist attack that might have killed over three thousand innocent people, a judge in this very country declared one of the methods used to save those lives is unconstitutional. North Korea probably has a nuclear bomb. Iran will probably get one soon (If they can't make it, what's to stop them from getting one from Kim Jong-il?). The best we can do to stop these madmen is to threaten sanctions that will never be imposed and wouldn't work even if they were.
Anything we do to stop western civilization from spiralling down the abyss is criticized and opposed tooth and nail by a fifth column in our own country. Movie stars who deny that al Qaeda did 9-11; people who call Bush the world's #1 terrorist (forget that, people call me a terrorist!); newspapers that refuse to publicize any wartime successes, while rushing to weaken our ability to defend against our enemies; a Supreme Court that bends over backwards for feces throwing barbarians who would kill untold Americans if only they were set free.
We all know what the problem is. It's Bush hatred syndrome. John Kerry says we should have one-on-one talks with North Korea simply because Bush is persuing multilateral talks. Then he criticizes the administration's foreign policy for excessive unilateralism. Bush is villified for removing Saddam Hussein, which is merely the successful culmination of a policy directive signed by President Clinton. The United States, long criticized for supporting evil dictators, is now told by enlightened leftists that the Iraqi people were better off under Saddam (whom we created anyway?!).
There is one solution I can think of, which could neutralize the anti-Americanism of today's leftist fifth column. We need to neutralize them now because the time to fight for civilization's very existence may be coming sooner than we think. And when the real fight comes, it won't be pretty. This country needs to be free to act without destructive second guessing by those who have a political axe to grind, or who outright sympathize with the enemy. A proper solution is one that will silence anti-American critics, and get everybody working on the same side.
The solution I have devised would allow George W. Bush to maintain the same foreign policy course as he has for the last six years. The only thing he would need to do to silence all his critics is to announce that he is gay. A tearful press conference with his longtime "companion" on his right and Laura on his left should do it. From that point on, anything he does will be golden, in the eyes of the left. Andrew Sullivan might even turn Republican again.
What about the so-called evangelicals, you say? First of all, Bush isn't running in '08, so he doesn't need their vote. And if they're smart, they'll understand the unseen political wink, and not be too upset about it. You know the political wink I'm talking about. It's the same one Democrats give to their own base whenever they talk about "reaching out" to "religious people."
Let's all join in a new political battle cry: "George W. Bush, come out of the closet before it's too late!"
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That's brilliant, Annie.
Posted by: reagan80 at August 19, 2006 06:15 PM (WGl0H)
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He better do it quick too.
Did you all just notice that Kofi I Love Every Terrorist Group I've Met Anan just had the balls to criticize Israel for trying to stop Hez from rearming? Hez has broken the UN agreement from the very first fucking day but Anan waits for Isarel's act of self-defense before uttering a sound. What an undeniable prick that fucker is. As usual, the Right acurately predicts the outcome of yet another ridiculous Left-wing scheme "for peace." It usually goes something like this: The bad guys murder or kidnap or shot rockets or send suicide bombers or Name Your Favorite Cowardly Yet Deadly Act; the Good guys defend themselves; the Left, the MSM, the UN, and the Bad Guys all scream bloodly murder about disproportionate response, "civilian" deaths, give peace a chance, can't we all get along, move along there is nothing to see here, the Jews obviously started it by daring to exist, Islam is a religion of peace, blah, blah, fucking blah. The Good Guys give in (again) and try to abide by another stupid fucking peace deal with the barbarians and the barbarians friends (i.e.the Left, the MSM, the UN, and the Europreans.) The Bad Guys laugh their asses off and begin plotting new ways to kill the infidels, the Jews, the occupiers, blah, blah, fucking blah....
If Western Civ does lose this culture (world) war with the barbarians it's gonna because we were too fucking stupid to realize the enemy means what he says.
Posted by: Blu at August 19, 2006 06:38 PM (K0h0f)
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Blu, we will not lose. It's just a matter of how long it takes to wake up. Trouble is, the longer we wait, the bloodier our victory will be.
Posted by: annika at August 19, 2006 06:53 PM (qQD4Q)
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I'm sorry, Annika, but it didn't work for ex-NJ Governor McGreevey. He had to resign. Unless, unless (yep, I said it twice), GWB and Bill Clinton announce they're in love with each other! We'll be saved, I'll tell ya! The war is over and I'll get to kiss Annika in Times Square.
Sure, I don't know you but you'll still be happy to meet my lips. Just really close your eyes tight and no tongue, please. I'm not a man-slut.
If you turn me down, Andy's beagle will happily take me back. Have some pity.
Posted by: Blake at August 19, 2006 07:23 PM (1B44J)
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No, there is nothing the left hates more than a gay Republican, unless it is a black Republican.
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Wouldn't work. To improve the odds, he could also (1)renounce his religion and (2) denounce Israel, but it still probably wouldn't be enough.
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August 17, 2006
Freaks On A Plane
What's worse than snakes on a plane? Crazy
"peace activists" on a plane!
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All of this can easily be explained by a simple typo; she is obviously from
Brainfree, Virginia...
Posted by: will at August 17, 2006 01:09 PM (h7Ciu)
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Nope she's from Vermont, a haven for mental instability of all sorts. Clearly there is a connection between mental illness, and being a liberal fucktard.
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August 16, 2006
Example Of Pro-Terrorist Media Bias #95,788
[part of a continuing series]
I know it's like beating a dead dog over and over again, but I feel like if I don't blog about these things when I see them, people might forget.
Check this article from AP, with the headline: "Iran leader praises Hezbollah resistance."
You will note that nowhere in the article does the word "resistance" appear, which leads one to believe that the editors who wrote the headline chose that word because they think it properly describes what Hezbollah is up to.
I'm not asking for an unbiased media, I just want them to admit that they are on the side of the enemy.
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Nice point, Annika: They went beyond biased a long time ago. I have no doubt they are on the side of the enemy. The MSM proves this on a daily basis. The examples are too numerous and too easy to cite. You could spend hours each day finding headlines like this and stories that are obviously biased.
Posted by: Blu at August 16, 2006 03:16 PM (K0h0f)
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This phrasing is particularly obscene, because the word "resistance" has strong associations with the French Resistance and the other courageous anti-Nazi movements in occupied Europe.
As even an AP editor probably knows, so it's pretty clear that they are doing this consciously.
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And what were they resisting? Since Israel pulled out of Lebanon five years ago!
Posted by: annika at August 16, 2006 06:03 PM (qQD4Q)
Posted by: Leif at August 16, 2006 07:40 PM (CPQ57)
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Another example of media bias is
this current CNN story, the headline is:
Judge rules against Big Tobacco
Far as I know, the only folks I've ever heard use the term "Big Tobacco" are Democratic politicians. Might seem small, but it really does show how they just echo the Dems' talkin point, trying to induce them into our conciousness through editorial slight-of-hand. I mean seriously, "Big" tobacco? A professional editor thought of this headline? Fucking ridiculous.
Posted by: Scof at August 17, 2006 02:48 PM (a3fqn)
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Just once I want to see the term "Big Labor" used in a headline.
Just once.
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August 15, 2006
Somewhere LBJ Is Groaning, Or Laughing, Or Something...
You all remember the story about LBJ, after he saw Walter Cronkite declare the Vietnam War "unwinnable." He switched off the tv and said, famously:
If I've lost Cronkite, I've lost Middle America.
Well, I wonder what an appropriate George W. Bush quote might be, after reading
Michael Yon, or
Rich Lowry?
Is this a sign that some kind of critical mass has been reached?
Well, at least he's still got Annika.
Update: I think it's important to note that neither Michael, nor Rich have given up on Iraq. I am concerned, though, that Michael Yon has not been able to return to the war zone as he has requested. When Rich Lowry starts to get worried, it's even more important that we have the benefit of Yon's reportage, with his uniquely objective voice. Otherwise the real story will continue to be held captive by a biased or disinterested mainstream media.
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Lowry understands that this war and all the events in the ME must be looked at as a larger war against Islamo-Nazism - regardless whether it is of a Shite or Sunni variety. It is a world war that we must win. It will require changing hearts and minds but also killing a lot of people because our enemy is not sane. Lowry also understands that Iran is the key player. The Bush administration has not handled Iran well in my opinion. In fact, Iran just kicked its butt in the Israel pullout fiasco. It is also a huge factor in Iraq where we know they are arming the militants. Part of me thinks that the Bushies are beginning to give into the endless assault of lies from the MSM and the world-wide Left. (And to a lesser extent the very far, black-helicopter-fearing Right.)
Posted by: Blu at August 16, 2006 10:18 AM (j8oa6)
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There are really two big culprits here, Iran, and Saudi Arabia. As long as the Saudi's continue to fund the radical Wahabist cult and its terror schools all around the world we can have no peace.
Posted by: kyle8 at August 16, 2006 01:35 PM (am+zj)
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When we kick our addiction to oil, we can create a world that will respond to our ideas, as there will be no funding for the crazies; until them we either need to diplomatically change regimes in the other oil rich countries (i.e. Iran, Saudi Arabia and others not as important, but still contributors), or go in and kick their asses as well.
This is a fifty year war if I ever saw one. Glad I don't have to live to see the end of it, either way.
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August 10, 2006
Theory #1
[part of a continuing series]
The prime impetus for modern American liberalism is the opposition to any restrictions on abortion. The prime impetus for European liberalism is anti-semitism.
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At a high level, I find this to be true. However, anti-semitism is creeping into the American Left as well. Were any of you privy to the outburst by Cynthia McKinney's staffer? It was a disgusting anti-semitic outburst. Can you imagine the feigned outrage had this been a white, Christian conservative? But, as we all know, there is a different standard applied in the media for liberals and conservatives and whites and non-whites.
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Posted by: john at August 10, 2006 11:12 AM (SpkYG)
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Maybe. I think it may have to do with the symbolism of power. The ultimate symbol of power, as with kings & queens, has always been the right to kill. Liberals don't approve of killing in the form of capital punishment or warfare, so they are passionate about euthanasia and abortion as a substitute. These things are the female form of the power of life & death; they are the sceptre of the feminist liberal.
I don't think this is always true; some liberals support abortion or euthanasia for reasons which are less dark. But I do suspect that it's pretty common.
Posted by: john at August 10, 2006 11:16 AM (SpkYG)
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Nope. Euro liberalism is based on laziness. Hatred of the Jews is just something to talk about while not working.
Posted by: Bram at August 10, 2006 11:53 AM (x82LV)
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Bram, LOL. That's fucking hilarious. Hope you don't mind if I plagerize at some later date while trying to appear both conservative and witty.
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 12:50 PM (j8oa6)
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There's a germ of truth in there, but the real answer is more complicated. Euro's have a more pronounced Jew-hatred because they're more homogeneous nationally, and probably more susceptable to group-think. Part of our national faith is the blending of many cultures into one, thus not wanting to culturally stand apart from others, and being suspicious of those who do.
Posted by: Casca at August 10, 2006 03:00 PM (2gORp)
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"These things are the female form of the power of life & death; they are the sceptre of the feminist liberal."
Huh? Whatever happened to "money is power"? This sounds awfully close to might makes right. From whence the notion that power is about the right to kill? Power is about whatever it happens to be about. For modern politicians, that's generally a frighteningly disgusting level of greed. Killing people is just a means of getting money, not the other way around.
Feminism and liberalism are far from one and the same. And the notion that anything is a "female form of" anything else is ridiculous. Anything that seems "feminine" about certain causes is only the result of your socialization and bias.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at August 10, 2006 03:31 PM (XUsiG)
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"These things are the female form of the power of life & death; they are the sceptre of the feminist liberal."
Huh? Whatever happened to "money is power"? This sounds awfully close to might makes right. From whence the notion that power is about the right to kill? Power is about money. For modern politicians, there's generally a frighteningly disgustingly high level of greed. Killing people is just a means of getting money, not the other way around.
Feminism and liberalism are far from one and the same. And the notion that anything is a "female form of" anything else is ridiculous. Anything that seems "feminine" about certain causes is only the result of one's socialization and bias.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at August 10, 2006 03:33 PM (XUsiG)
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Gah, sorry for the double post. Munu was accusing me of spam so I had to try twice. Damn you , Munu!
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Seriously, Munu sucks ass!
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 03:51 PM (LXOfu)
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One major impetus to modern "progressivism" (as its advocates call it) is the emergence of the class I refer to as The Intellectual Lumpenproletariat. These are people who drank the academic kool-aid and got advanced degrees in subjects with poor career prospects. Now they're working in Borders (or equivalent) and they are furious--not at the academics who lured them into making their choices, which might be understandable, but at society as a whole.
Posted by: david foster at August 10, 2006 04:21 PM (/Z304)
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Don't try to apologize your way out of it. That's the fem form of posting.
Posted by: Casca at August 10, 2006 04:22 PM (2gORp)
Posted by: Bram at August 11, 2006 05:30 AM (x82LV)
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I can't comment on Europe, but I can comment on modern liberalism: annika, I think you're being too specific. I think the impetus for modern American liberalism is to not be held accountable for one's own actions. Abortion slides neatly into that definition.
Posted by: Victor at August 11, 2006 06:05 AM (1oGDT)
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You're partly right Victor. The general impetus for modern American liberalism is sexual libertinism. Abortion and contraception are the pillars of the sexual revolution. Without them, personal responsibility become a concrete and necessary thing, not just something to talk about that has no relevance to most people anymore. George Orwell said it way back in... whenever he was writing. I wish I could find the quote. Anyways, he said something like: "the real reason we all joined 'the movement' was sex."
I know it sounds crazy, but it's my theory.
Posted by: annika at August 11, 2006 07:00 AM (qQD4Q)
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The prime drivers for the European left are (listed in order of importance):
1. Anti-Americanism
2. Anti-Semitism
3. Passivity towards external threats
Mix those together and you have the left taking some very weird stands.
Posted by: Jake at August 11, 2006 07:39 AM (r/5D/)
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Regarding Europe and anti-Semitism...throughout the early part of the 20th century, in most of Europe anti-Semitism tended to be associated with the Right (cf the Dreyfus affair)...but no question that it has now become a left-wing phenomenon. It would be interesting for someone to trace this evolution.
One operative factor is that the European right tended to be opposed to social mobility across class lines in a way that has rarely been associated with the American right.
Posted by: david foster at August 11, 2006 08:39 AM (/Z304)
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Hmmmm....annika, tossing our two ideas back and forth, I think it might be a bit of a chicken-or-egg thing.
Posted by: Victor at August 11, 2006 09:31 AM (1oGDT)
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Annika,
I think the impetus for zoos or rather the movement that become known as zooism is the tendency all amimals have toward exhibitionism, fish included of course otherwise why would aquariums have been invented.
MAkes about as much sense as your therory of "liberalism"
Posted by: Strawman at August 11, 2006 05:58 PM (G2Zzw)
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actually, i think that zoo theory has a lot of merit!
Posted by: annika at August 11, 2006 06:04 PM (C8Oer)
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I don't believe she posited a "theory." Rather, she suggested an impetus or driving force behind the modern movement of American liberalism. It doesn't explain the movement itself. As a charter moonbat, perhaps you can provide some insight, Straw.
Posted by: Blu at August 11, 2006 07:41 PM (LXOfu)
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bLU,
Modern American Liberalism (MAL) is a position on the political spectrum that was cleared for it by KArl Rove and Co. It only exists as a figment of his and your imagination. THe boys cooked it up as a strawman for what ever ailes America. They made liberal = democrat. It was a clever strategy that had little trouble confusing the essentially uneducated, well maybe they are somewhat educated but easily confused, American electorate. SO, in the RW scheme permissiveness (like thinking it is OK to get blown by interns) became a liberal position since the "liberals" while loathing his behavior, were still defending Clinton sinsce they didn't think sex rose to an impeachable offense but no matter:
LIBERAL=Blowjob lovers (actually not a bad motto but it stood for a denigration of the PRESIDENCY and American decency!)
THey did it again last week when they set up the bougus minimum wage bill they knew could not pass because of the estate tax attachment, but dems voted against the min wage so:
Liberal=no friend of the working man.
They did it with the first vote on Iraq. They had just finished hammering home the nuke card (a lie of course) so the dems would have to vote for the appropriation or
Liberal=welcomes nuclear attack on our nation
The second vote the dems voted against.
liberals=flip flop on security
The RW has this strategy down pat and the dems have been floundering on the deck developing a counter to it.
They say tax cuts spur growth, the schmucks on the plains belive it, dems oppose the estate tax repeal so;
Liberals=no economic growth
ANd on and on.
There is MAL as defined by the R nothing more. A useful tool to construct fallacious positions and then paint you opponants with the belief set and then lob the bullshit. I actually thihk it started with that numb brain Reagan. "There you go again" (being a liberal and btw have you stopped beating your wife Jimmy?)
Posted by: Strawman at August 12, 2006 03:24 PM (G2Zzw)
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Here's a macro econ lesson for ya, Straw: Tax cuts do spur economic growth. I know the truth hurts, but the sooner you accept it, the easier it will be to stomach.
Anyway, pretty inventive post. Bullshit of course, but still well done.
Posted by: Blu at August 12, 2006 06:09 PM (LXOfu)
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Gee Blu,
If this kind of high praise becomes a regular thing I better don knee pads to protect my tired old joints as I genuflect.
Posted by: Strawman at August 13, 2006 11:22 AM (G2Zzw)
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Straw - Arthur Schlesinger Jr used the term "modern american liberalism" in the late 1950s. He stated the ideological roots for "mal" came from Dewey-Veblen:
"a liberal ideology did begin to crystallize, deriving its main tenets from the philosophy of John Dewey and from the economics of Thorstein Veblen. Dewey, with his faith in human rationality and in the power of the creative intelligence, gave this ideological liberalism a strong belief in the efficacy of overhead social planning; and this bent was reinforced by Veblen, who detested the price system and the free market and thought that the economy could be far more efficiently and sensibly operated by a junta or soviet of engineers."
Schlesinger went on to say the New Dealers (Roosevelt democrats) turned the ideological basis to more of a Niebuhr-Keynes basis. You can debate whether Schlesinger's (and others) ideas about Kennedy/LBJ "identity politics" contributed to the liberalism = democrat label, but if you want a boogeyman, try Lee Atwater who effectively turned Dukakis' "I'm a proud liberal" statement against him and the party..
Posted by: Col Steve at August 14, 2006 10:33 AM (pj2h7)
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Col Steve,
I have no doubt that the dem use ruthless and hypocrital tactics to win elections and Atwater's swipe at Dukakis was an attempt to run Duk a bit to teh left of where he wanted his guy to be. All this is in response to the various polls that they get. The true political philosophy of Liberalism, like all rational(or not) but none the less thoughtfull discourses that higher level thinkers put out about how best to goven is really moot when you get into the swamp of electoneering. Phrases and philosophy's are tossed around like popcorn with little or no regard as to the true meaning but only how it plays to the base they are trying to reach.
I stand by all I said about the one dimentionalizing of LIBERAL by the right in an attempt to make the dems squirm under a word that the R has made nearly as corrosive as radical or soclialist was in the 60's or 70's. The politcal philosophies of the right and the middle and the dems and the liberals are far less profound than any one of these groups would have the world believe. I always thought the wise Mr Vidal said it best when he said "America has one political party with two wings." I personally think they all have their heads up their asses but the Republicans always think they see the light at the end of the tunnel and the dems smell it but are happy they didn't step in it.
Posted by: Strawman at August 15, 2006 10:23 AM (G2Zzw)
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"the wise Mr Vidal."
The fact that you used the word "wise" in the same sentence with that idiot would inform even those that have never read one of your posts how far out in Left field you are. Gore Vidal is the "intellectual" version of Michael Moore. Two truly vile people.
Posted by: Blu at August 15, 2006 06:07 PM (K0h0f)
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bLU,
DON'T i KNOW HOW TO RATTLE YOUR CAGE.
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Terror Plot Foiled
What is it with these terrorists and the 11th?
I was on a lot of planes during my vacation, and I didn't see a single muslim. Not that that means anything, but I remember noticing it at the time. Usually there's one or two waiting at the gate whenever I fly and I go through the usual mental gyration. You know the one, like this: "oh there's some muslims... I wonder if I should get on the plane... oh no then I'd look like a total racist... I guess they look okay... gee I hope they're not terrorists." Then you get on the plane, nothing happens and you realize you were nervous about nothing. But of course, then something like today's arrests happen.
People are saying this was supposed to be bigger than 9-11. If the plan was to blow up a dozen planes over the ocean, it would have been big. On a scale with 9-11, but it wouldn't have been worse than 9-11. Which makes me think that maybe they were planning to wait until the planes were over the U.S., and detonate the explosives over populated areas. Just a theory.
Or maybe not. Thinking about the whole "fourth generation warfare" thing, it's probably not in the terrorists' interest to "top" 9-11's horror. Ten or twenty planes blowing up over the ocean is evil enough to demonstrate that the terrorists are still there, and that they can still pull shit. It would have been terrible for the victims and their families. People would have been shocked and there would have been political repercussions for sure. But I still don't think it would have been big enough to change certain attitudes which need changing before we can really take care of the problem.
Attitudes like this one:
Do I sound as if I don't believe this alert? Why, yes, that would be correct. I just don't believe it. Read the article. They say the plot had an "Al Qaeda footprint." Ooh, are you scared yet? What that really means is that they found NO evidence whatsoever that the plot had anything to do at all with Al Qaeda, but the plot simply made them think "gosh, this is something Al Qaeda would do." That's what a footprint means. Nice, but no cigar.
Were these guys totally innocent? Probably not. But there's no reason to believe they were any more Osama's right-hand than Jose Padilla, the famed dirty-bomber who I think is now only being charged with jay-walking or something...
That was from a "brilliant" left wing blogger, quoted at Townhall.com, who apparently thinks that "red alert" is only appropriate if there's an al Qaeda plot. I suppose deadly plots by anyone else do not deserve a "red alert," This idiot thinks its a Republican plot to distract from Lieberman's loss. Yes, Lieberman the Democrat. In other words, if Lieberman the Democrat had not lost two days ago, then the Homeland Security Department would not have taken any steps to tighten airline security after the discovery of a plot to blow up airplanes.
You know what, after three plus years of blogging I've learned that I can't argue against such an idiotic theory. People who believe that shit will never be silent, but people will stop listening to them someday.
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I am reading a book called "Menace in Europe." It rates the European countries most likely to create terrorists:
1. United Kingdom
2. Netherlands
3. France
The rating is based up the governments tolerance towards Islamic fascism, Moslem crime rate and Moslem assimilation.
It looks like the book hit the nail on the head this time.
Posted by: Jake at August 10, 2006 09:44 AM (r/5D/)
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First of all, I'll go on record as saying I would love to end all immigration to this country from Muslim countries. Period. I don't care if it sounds racist. I'm past caring about that PC crap. The less of them that are here, the less they can reproduce themselves and their vile religion.
Secondly, the quote falls in line perfectly with the George Soros Left. Each terror plot should be looked at as an individual crime rather than as part of a larger war on Western Civilization. (Ergo, the War on Terror is misguided because there is no larger cultural war going on between the West and Islamo-fascism.) This is the idiocy of the Left and why they must never have control of government. To put it simply, if the Left gains control people will die as a consequence because terrorism simply isn't taken seriously by these people.
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 11:02 AM (j8oa6)
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Ok, the latest from the Lefty blogs and talk shows is that this was all....you guessed it - a hoax. You see, after the Leiberman loss, the Republicans want to really push the idea that the Dems aren't serious about terrorism. (As if they haven't already secured this in the minds of most sane and serious people.) So, with Tony Blair and Pakistan, the Republicans came up with this elaborate hoax that will ultimately reek havoc on the British and American travel industry for days to come and require the promulgation and implementation of new procedures throughout the US and the UK in a very short amount of time. Sure - it makes perfect fucking nonsense. Conspiracy at a global level. What a bunch of idiots.
And if the Reps/Bush really cared so much about whether Lieberman won or lost - (he's going to win the general anyway) - wouldn't they have planned this "hoax" a day before the Lieberman election? These people will say anything because they Left has gone totally nuts. But don't take my word for it, just go check out the Lefty blogs. The moonbats are coming up with more kooky conspiracies at even as you read this post.
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 01:14 PM (j8oa6)
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Keith Olbermann is already trying to lay the foundation for an exaggeration of the plot. He claims on his show that he is going to do a "smell test" as to whether what is alleged is even possible. He also made reference to the Brits having a "horrible" year related to terror. Of course, his goal is to get the viewer to go "hmmm, I wonder if the Brits are just making this up to look good?" And every time the alert level goes up in this country Olbermann insists that Bush only did it to help his approval numbers. The guy is fucking nut-ball. I wonder how many ratings points he lost when I switched over to FOX?
Posted by: Blu at August 10, 2006 05:12 PM (LXOfu)
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Olbermann's ratings are probably equivalent to Air America's.
It might be comparing apples & oranges, but they are both still rotten.
Posted by: reagan80 at August 10, 2006 05:40 PM (dFOlH)
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Don't know where to post this comment - this seemed as good as any.
I'm sickened by the news of the truce. How do you all spell surrender? Since when do terror groups get treated like nations at the UN? Oops, I forgot that I was talking about the UN - where Israel is a terroist group and semi-humans like Hamas and Hez are treated like civilized nations.
I NEVER have been this disapointed by the Bush Administration. How cowardly has the West become?
Posted by: Blu at August 12, 2006 07:24 PM (K0h0f)
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oH bLU,
I'm sorry you are feeling so glum. It is truely a sad day when the nations of the earth attempt to put an end to violence and murder. So terribly sad. It breaks my heart to see the Lebanese people going back to their towns. And I am grief stricken over the Israeli's leaving their bomb shelters. SUch cowardice from our stalwart leader. So much good could have been accomplished if the Lebanese civilians could have been left outside when winter arrived. Then they would know just what Hezbollah could do for them. I will miss seeing those Beriut apartment blocks demolished each morning as I rise and those emotional Jews rocking back and forth while their dead 20 year old sons and daughters are lowered into the earth. That's some good stuff and it will surely be missed.
I'm with you Blu: some quasi-governmental group steals two of my guys to arrange a prisoner exchange, like they have before, fuck'em this time. Blow their, oh I guess it isn't their country, but blow it up anyway. Dams, bridges, water pumping facilities, airports, apartment buildings, gas stations, all of it! OUR CITIZENS ARE PRECIOUS! They must understand!
Ya, know blu, it reminds me of the situation with Japan at the end of the war. If we had five or seven A bombs I bet we could have doubled the number of GI's we saved by not invading. In fact we might have caused the resurrection of a few thousand sailors from Pearl. If the Israeli's could have continued bombing and invaded Lebanon with an occupying force I'll bet in the next ten years at least 1000 fewer than the unknown number of Jews that terrorists would kill, won't be killed by terrorists. That's the kind of math that wins Fields Medals, fuck that Russian (Jew) nut and the frog conjecture. I think GB should get the Fields for the "metrics" he calculated for the Iraqi's that would have been killed by Saddam since 91 and the number killed to save them. I think by now the ratio is about 10 killed to save one who might have been killed. That's some fine Texas calculating if you ask me. Who cares about reducing space and surface to a point and whether it is a sphere, too ethereal for me. I want to know the height of two piles of Iraqi dead. The actual ones we have buried and the pile of those Saddam might have killed. maybe we could divide it by the height of the pile of the ballots cast in the election or better yet we could divide by the height of the pile of hundred dollar bills that were allocated for reconstruction but only lined peoples pockets. We could arrive at a number with the units: graft dollars per dead Iraqi/saved Iraqi. I am sure there is a Fields Medal for George in here somewhere!
Blu I sympathize with your exasperation, I really do.
Posted by: stawman at August 15, 2006 04:48 PM (G2Zzw)
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Strawman, I get your argument, but I don't believe this cease fire will hold. It's already crumbling, and not from the Israeli side.
Posted by: annika at August 16, 2006 07:14 AM (qQD4Q)
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From the AP: "'After the Holocaust was questioned by the president, now I have real doubts about it,' said Maryam Zadkani, a 23-year-old graphic artist as she wandered around the exhibition."
This is what you don't get, Straw. Your side has never understood human nature or evil and that is why you are wrong about this and nearly all the big questions regarding foreign policy.
"...nations of the earth attempt to put an end to violence and murder."
What a joke. I laughed when I read that inane BS. Yeah, you end violence and murder by ensuring the instigators of violence and murder are in control and can claim victory. Only a Left-wing whack job could see this as "putting an end to violence and murder." In case you didnÂ’t' get the memo, Straw, Hez now has more control of S. Lebanon than before the war. This is their country - or I should say that it is now Iran and Syria's country. And thank goodness those "peacekeepers" will be there to keep things safe for Iran and Syria.
Hez will not disarm. They have already broken the truce agreement in their refusal. What a big fucking surprise - Muslims don't keep their word. And the U.N. et al will pretend it never happened. (Kinda like the great oversight with "Oil for Food.") You think the cowards that make up the governments of France and Lebanon are going to insist that their armies disarm Hez? How soon, Straw, before your friends from Syria and Iran begin rearming them. (I say friends because I'm certain that any friend of Chavez is a friend of yours. And we all know how he loves his fellow Western-hating fanatics.)
And it's not about kidnapping "two of my guys to arrange a prisoner exchange.” Is that really the range of your moral compass? It IS about an endless stream of violence from these semi-humans. It never ends. Israel abides by “world opinion” and gets out of Lebanon and what does it get? Hez kidnapping its people (really it was Iran but Hez did their bidding.) It's the same story over and over again no matter the location. Israel had every right to carpet bomb Lebanon. Lebanon allowed all this to happen because it was too cowardly to run Hez out of the South. What don't you get, Straw? Is Israel just supposed to sit their and say "yeah, come kidnap my citizens, send over your suicide bombers, and while you are at it, send some rockets our way too and make certain you aim at civilians if possible. We'll just sit here and play with our collective Johnson while you guys try to wipe us off the map."
Straw, you are a moral adolescent. You consistently manage to take the wrong side on all the important battles. Whether you are standing with the barbarians of Islam or the barbarians of Communism, you always manage to pick the side that hates America, the West, and the side that wants to end our way of life. More importantly, however, you choose the side that consistently devalues individual, political, and economic freedom. You seem to prefer those that would enslave people. What does that tell us about you?
I must respectfully disagree with Annika: You have no argument. Or the one your present is a pathetic joke provided by a moral relativist with no sense for the distinction between right and wrong and good and evil. Not all deaths are equally tragic, Straw. Not all human “civilizations” are equally as valuable. Pick a side, Straw. (Actually, you already have.)
Regarding your comment about Japan: Are you really too stupid or historically ignorant to figure out that the bombs we dropped on Japan saved more of their people than ours? Again, you misunderstand the enemy.
And regarding the “piles” of Iraqi dead: Hmmm, let me see if I get this: In Straw's world, we equate the Hussein death squads to the deaths of people fighting for their freedom and to ensure a democratically elected government is able to withstand an Iranian-backed insurgency? Yeah, Straw, I want to live in your world. We could all carry around our little red books - that is while we are not kneeling towards Mecca to pray.
p.s. Hey, Staw, here's a research assignment: Find out how much money your favorite boogeyman, Halliburton, received from the government under Clinton and Carter. I'm sure it was $0 because Halliburton only starting making money during the Bush administration, right?
Posted by: Blu at August 16, 2006 09:46 AM (j8oa6)
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Blu,
I think you should relax, and notice that the forces of Islam are not in fact who would be killed if they carpet bombed Leb. Truely, more young men would as a result, take up arms and willingly give their life to avenge the assult.
I am not actualy on their side, never have been and have only expressed sympathy for the deaths of non combatants. I know you see acquiescing as tacit support and therefore deserving of death. I just can't make that equation but it does not mean that I support the goals of HEz. Whatever has given you that idea? Just because I don't think carpet bombing Lebanon into dust is a nice idea?
WE disagree on tactics not goals. I am not as sure as you that the solution to this threat is an outright assult. Too many moslems in the world, not all of them are sympathetic to the Islamists and being more brutal and crueler than you ememy does not get you a place at the table where a good life is being laddled out.
Posted by: strawman at August 16, 2006 05:18 PM (G2Zzw)
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If our differences are only tactical, then I clearly have not read you well. I'll take you at your word.
Posted by: Blu at August 16, 2006 05:51 PM (K0h0f)
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