March 09, 2007
Parker v. District of Columbia
In case you haven't heard, the big news today is that the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit held that
the right to keep and bear arms is an individual right.
I know, it's a shock.
The language of the decision is so out of step with the type of wishy-washy "living document" bullshit theory of Constitutional interpretation I've become resigned to, I want someone to pinch me to make sure I'm not dreaming.
We start by considering the competing claims about the meaning of the Second Amendment’s operative clause: “the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed.” Appellants contend that “the right of the people” clearly contemplates an individual right and that “keep and bear Arms” necessarily implies private use and ownership. The District’s primary argument is that “keep and bear Arms” is best read in a military sense, and, as a consequence, the entire operative clause should be understood as granting only a collective right. The District also argues that “the right of the people” is ambiguous as to whether the right protects civic or private ownership and use of weapons.
In determining whether the Second Amendment’s guarantee is an individual one, or some sort of collective right, the most important word is the one the drafters chose to describe the holders of the right — “the people.” That term is found in the First, Second, Fourth, Ninth, and Tenth Amendments. It has never been doubted that these provisions were designed to protect the interests of individuals against government intrusion, interference, or usurpation. We also note that the Tenth Amendment — “The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people” — indicates that the authors of the Bill of Rights were perfectly capable of distinguishing between “the people,” on the one hand, and “the states,” on the other. The natural reading of “the right of the people” in the Second Amendment would accord with usage elsewhere in the Bill of Rights.
The District’s argument, on the other hand, asks us to read “the people” to mean some subset of individuals such as “the organized militia” or “the people who are engaged in militia service,” or perhaps not any individuals at all — e.g., “the states.” . . . These strained interpretations of “the people” simply cannot be squared with the uniform construction of our other Bill of Rights provisions. Indeed, the Supreme Court has recently endorsed a uniform reading of “the people” across the Bill of Rights. . . .
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It seems unlikely that the Supreme Court would have lumped these provisions together without comment if it were of the view that the Second Amendment protects only a collective right. The Court’s discussion certainly indicates — if it does not definitively determine — that we should not regard “the people” in the Second Amendment as somehow restricted to a small subset of “the people” meriting protection under the other Amendments’ use of that same term.
In sum, the phrase “the right of the people,” when read intratextually and in light of Supreme Court precedent, leads us to conclude that the right in question is individual.
Parker v. District of Columbia at 18-19.
But here's the best part:
The wording of the operative clause also indicates that the right to keep and bear arms was not created by government, but rather preserved by it. . . . Hence, the Amendment acknowledges “the right . . . to keep and bear Arms,” a right that pre-existed the Constitution like “the freedom of speech.” Because the right to arms existed prior to the formation of the new government . . . the Second Amendment only guarantees that the right “shall not be infringed.”
Id at 20-21.
That's just beautiful. Our rights "pre-existed the formation of the new government," because they came from God,
not from the government. It's so easy to forget that in this age when the mere mention of the word "God" can label you as some sort of fanatic. But you don't have to believe in God to marvel at the reasoning of the Court. All you need to know is that there's a difference between the government and your rights, and in a free society, government must bow to those rights, which preceded government itself.
"People" means people, people. That's what originalism is all about. First you determine what the Constitution says (not what you wish it said), then you determine if the law in question departs from the Constitution. If it does, then there is a mechanism for changing the Constitution, specified within the Constitution. You don't simply disregard the Founding Document and make up a lie about what it really means.
This decision will make its way to the Supreme Court, and thank George W. Bush, we'll have Roberts and Alito on our side hopefully.
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Also, there can be no such thing as a "collective right" because that implies that governments have rights. Governments have "powers", individuals have rights. And governments have only those powers specifically granted to them by the people. That's the American way.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 10, 2007 09:46 PM (4dlKn)
Posted by: Casca at March 10, 2007 11:02 PM (2gORp)
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If it goes to the S.Ct., I count two solid votes on our side: Scalia and Thomas. The rest are wild cards. Republican appointee does not equal pro-individual right, e.g., the dissenting judge in Parker, Judge Henderson, is a Bush I appointee.
There is reason to celebrate here, but also reason to worry a little. Alan Gura and Bob Levy still may very well end up with titanic helpings of egg on their faces, and if they do we'll all pay the price for it.
Posted by: Matt at March 11, 2007 10:51 AM (wZJrO)
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Did the decision address the "well-regulated militia" issue? I'll grant that militias also pre-existed the government, and perhaps "well-regulated" meant something different in the 18th century, but I'm just curious.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at March 11, 2007 05:55 PM (P8ktI)
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Ontario,
I don't know the in's-and-out's of the previous court findings, but someone pointed this out to me:
TITLE 10 > Subtitle A > PART I > CHAPTER 13 > § 311
"(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia are—
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia."
(Link goes to a Cornell Law School website that lists US laws. The mu.nu spam filter rejected the address, so I had to Tinyurl it)
I think Anni and Law Fairy are better equipped to interpret that than I am, but doesn't that section read as if it's saying that every male citizen between 17 and 45 is technically a member of the militia?
I'm inviting comment on that. I don't know if that's a legit reading of that section or not, but as a layman, that's what it looks like to me. If anyone in the know knows better, though, please feel free to tell me.
Posted by: elmondohummus at March 12, 2007 05:55 AM (xHyDY)
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the opinion does address the militia question, very persuasively, i think
Posted by: annika at March 12, 2007 08:02 AM (lMqjc)
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Ontario,
The term "well regulated" did indeed mean something else at the time the 2nd amendment was written. Popular usage of that term at that time would now be likely written as "well trained" or "well drilled".
Posted by: ghostcat at March 12, 2007 02:39 PM (E4dN1)
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Annika,
I have a question regarding the Code Pinko protest in front of Pelosi's home. It doesn't exactly strike me as legal. Do you know of any USSC case on this issue? The closest I've found is Carey v. Brown, 447 U.S. 455, 470 (1980), and it doesn't deal directly with the legality of protest in front of the home, simply that the state can place regulations on time, place, etc.
Posted by: Mark at March 13, 2007 08:22 AM (2MrBP)
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I also found Frisby v. Schultz, 487 U.S. 474, which appears to be quite "on point."
Posted by: Mark at March 13, 2007 08:47 AM (2MrBP)
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Erudite discussion of this issue, if not specifically about the case itself can be found here:
http://www.postwatchblog.com/2007/03/in_which_the_po.html
Quote from Volokh post linked in the article:
"Incidentally, if the question is whether "militia" in the Second Amendment means just something like the National Guard, that's one thing that the Supreme Court has resolved... (the writings, debates, and laws of the Founding Fathers)
show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense."
Volokh link
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at March 13, 2007 01:42 PM (xHyDY)
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Well, so much for
that request.
Posted by: Mark at March 19, 2007 10:28 AM (2MrBP)
Posted by: angelamwilson at March 28, 2007 11:38 AM (Ch7Y5)
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We could not -- would not! -- want to wait.
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Democrats Are Wimps
Why are the Democrats
so afraid of Fox News? It's a live debate, what do they think will happen? It's not like Fox News might
superimpose an X over John Edwards' face while she's talking. Nobody would do that.
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I don't think they're afraid of what Fox News might do in this particular debate...they're afraid of the *existence* of media outlets that don't fit their model, hence they want to delegitimize FN and any other such networks. If a network can be denied coverage of events such as debates, that will eventually hurt it in the pocketbook.
Posted by: david fosterp at March 10, 2007 09:35 AM (/Z304)
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Annie, baby, heres the deal. Dems don't go on Fox, then they can do a study and say Fox is not fair and balanced. It's all quite simple.
And very, very, sad.
Over and out,
X
Posted by: Major X at March 10, 2007 11:29 AM (N155d)
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The Dems have been putting the fix in for so long, that they know no other way. This will backfire though, since instead of the candidates being the story, their blackballing Fox will be the story.
Posted by: Casca at March 10, 2007 11:07 PM (2gORp)
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If I were FOX, I'd hold the debate anyway. Empty podium for the Democrats, not that they are long on solutions anyway.
Posted by: MarkD at March 12, 2007 04:58 AM (5vbH6)
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Am I the only one that caught your joke? Be careful, you may get b****slapped like chairperson Ann.
Posted by: Joints at March 13, 2007 12:18 PM (Dh/a/)
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I just like the fact that Major X is Major "X."
Frankly, we need to superimpose letters over other people. Former President Clinton could get an A, with a reddish hue. Quayle, of course, would get the letter E that he has promoted.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at March 15, 2007 08:43 AM (BSx9z)
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I'd like to see FOX air the debate with the word "FAGGOT" superimposed ob John Edwards' image every time Edwards spoke. Not that I think he's Gay, and not that I would care if he were, but it would just be a hoot.
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March 08, 2007
The Way To Win, 1.0
People are making a big deal about Bronco Bomber's recent surge in the polls against Hillary,
most notably among black voters. Hillary made a fool of herself in Selma, and Bomber is clearly making her scramble earlier than anyone thought she would. But she'll survive that embarrassment.
I still don't see Bronco's insurgent campaign winning the nomination in the long run. I like Bronco Bomber, I'm reading his book. I don't like his politics, but for me, he represents the end of the baby boomer stranglehold on American political leadership, which can only be a good thing. Too bad he's going up against the Clinton machine.
I'm sure that Hillary and her staff have been behind the growing list of thinly veiled attacks on the Bronco Bomber campaign. The list includes:
Clinton and her/his allies are denying that they were behind the steady drip drip of opposition research against Bronco. Clinton supporters have already tried to blame Republicans for these well timed attacks against a Democratic challenger who's still polling well behind the presumptive nominee.
That's just crazy. Republicans need Bronco Bomber to mount a strong campaign. It doesn't make sense to knock him down. Every serious political observer knows that Bronco won't win the nomination unless something catastrophic happens between now and the beginning of next year. Given a choice between an establishment front-runner and a populist challenger, Democrats will always nominate the establishment candidate. I think the only modern exception to that rule was McGovern, so you can see why they wouldn't want to make that mistake again.
From my long range vantage point — almost 20 months from election day — I'm beggining to see two general strategies that each party should use to ensure victory.
For the Democrats, it's easy. Hillary will be the nominee, and she will have a fight on her hands if she goes against Giuliani. That's because she won't be able to take the big blue states for granted. But Giuliani's weakness among social conservatives can be Hillary's secret weapon if she practices a bit of political judo. All she needs is a far right third party candidate, and she will cruise back into the White House. Some say the Republicans were behind Ralph Nader's candidacy back in 2000. I don't know, but it's obvious that Gore would have been president if he'd had Nader's 2% in Florida. I think a Republican Nader, like Pat Buchanan or someone of his ilk, would be just what the doctor ordered for Hillary's ailing campaign. She needs to stop worrying about Bronco and start looking for a social conservative to funnel money to.
For the Republicans, the key is in preparing the general election battlefield by defining Hillary now. She's giving them all the help they need, as she stupidly attacks Bronco through her surrogates. Every time another sneaky negative story appears in the New York Times or some other pro-Clinton organ, the Republicans should take note and tie it to her campaign. The key is to define Hillary as a female Nixon. Devious, sneaky, mean, and unlikeable. You want people thinking these things when the general election comes around.
She'll do anything to win.
That Obama guy seemed nice, and look what she did to him.
You don't want to cross her.
She has an enemies list, just like Nixon.
Her past history fits in well with this narrative. Remember Travelgate?
I had thought that Hillary's left flank might be her undoing, but now I don't think so. Other than a few scattered hecklers, I haven't seen the unhinged protesters that I expected to follow her around. I think even the true believers know that she's their best chance if they want to avoid repeating the humiliations of 2000 and 2004. That may change as Bronco gets stronger, though. Another reason why I'd like to see him continue the charge.
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Excellent strategy deconstruction, Anni. A couple of discussion points;
>That's just crazy. Republicans need Bronco Bomber to mount a strong campaign. It doesn't make sense to knock him down.
It might make sense if they wanted to create a food fight amongst the democrats where Hillary muddied herself (yes, I know, but even more).
> All she needs is a far right third party candidate, and she will cruise back into the White House.
Which is how she got there in the first place.
> Some say the Republicans were behind Ralph Nader's candidacy back in 2000. I don't know, but it's obvious that Gore would have been president if he'd had Nader's 2% in Florida.
I've no doubt to either point.
> Every time another sneaky negative story appears in the New York Times or some other pro-Clinton organ, the Republicans should take note and tie it to her campaign.
It's likely less passive than you describe.
Posted by: will at March 08, 2007 05:20 PM (/sKxm)
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Wasn't it the Bronco Bomber that just killed Captain America?
After perusing
these, I concluded that Cap wanted someone to put him out of his fucking misery anyway.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 08, 2007 07:31 PM (I0gpu)
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Bronco does have some stink on him. He got a sweetheart deal on his house in Illinois (just like the Clintons in NY), then split the lot for a tidy profit, but guess who doesn't want to talk about land deals.
As for the nutjobs chasing her filthiness, it's still early. No need to define her with all those negatives, they're already there. About four months out from the General is when you want to start reminding everyone. I'm waiting for her 5 o'clock shadow to pop out.
Posted by: Casca at March 08, 2007 08:35 PM (2gORp)
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A very prescient observation about the inevitable end of the baby boomer stranglehold on American politics.
We won't escape that stranglehold in 2008 --- but the babyboomers are starting to run on fumes now. Just another election cycle or two, and we'll be just about rid of them.
Posted by: Robbie at March 09, 2007 07:38 AM (foLp3)
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reagan80:
I'm sorry that I actually read the Captain America link you posted, although I'm also glad you posted it. Whoever wrote that simplistic non-sense should be strung up.
It's amazing to witness this shift among the comic writers who, decades ago, invented a hero named Captain America.
Now they take thinly veiled shots against the Patriot Act (because privacy in library records is more important than human life or property), depict a "journalist" who identifies America with its popular culture, and (from what I read) kills off Captain America at a time when what the ideals he stood for are needed most.
Those geek-writers forgot who their audience was. It's the first time I'm proud never to have been a reader of that sophomoric/psuedo-art trash.
Posted by: Mark at March 09, 2007 09:00 AM (2MrBP)
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Annika,
Like all good libs, the "Bronco Bomber" feels rather entitled to tax money.
http://cbs2chicago.com/topstories/local_story_046194929.html
Posted by: Mark at March 09, 2007 09:58 AM (2MrBP)
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Mark,
When will the shredding of personal liberties be too much for you? When they search your colon without a warrant and tell you that people's lives are at stake? Show me a single conviction since the PA took effect that is the result of the new powers it offers? People like you Mark, candy assed patriots frightened of their shadow willing to sell the 4th amendment for nickels. Why, Mark, if we just let the army police the streets and libraries and declare marshal law we could really be safe.
Posted by: strawman at March 09, 2007 11:59 AM (9ySL4)
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"search your colon"
eeeew!?!
it's a little to early in the day for that image.
Posted by: annika at March 09, 2007 12:23 PM (zAOEU)
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Annika,
I think a woman who blithely admits to knowing about and then goes on to explain the mechanics of a deed, a deed that is way higher on the ladder of things not to be imagined before morning coffee, to wit, a ”Dirty Sanchez”, has no standing when it comes to criticizing my imagery regardless of the time of day
Posted by: strawman at March 09, 2007 01:24 PM (9ySL4)
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"search your colon"
eeeew!?!
it's a little too early in the day for that image.
What? Why? After all, there's not much to search, right? Just:
Posted by: Kevin Kim at March 09, 2007 01:47 PM (1PcL3)
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Hmmm... given the strategy you just outlined, Annika, isn't it possible that it could be either Hillary OR the right behind the mysterious attacks on Obama? It makes perfect sense to me that Republican strategists could want to create tension between the Democratic frontrunners, so they can smear Hillary all the more if and when she wins the nomination. If they're as certain as you that the HRC nom is a sure thing, why wouldn't they? For instance, the only media outlets I've seen reporting that the "Muslim school" allegations came from HRC are very conservative ones. Certainly, not an outright bullseye on that point, but at least suggestive, no?
That said, I don't trust Hillary as far as I can throw her. Either side could be behind it, or maybe both. HRC has proven that the only ideal she stands for is power for HRC. I wish we had a more trustworthy female candidate, because I just can't get behind her, much as I would love to see a woman president.
Strawman, thanks to you, I've now got the SNL Super Colon Blow commercial stuck in my head.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at March 09, 2007 03:17 PM (XUsiG)
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"
Those geek-writers forgot who their audience was."
That's right, Mark. I will never forgive those bastards for turning The Punisher into
some radical Lefty shithead.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 09, 2007 03:34 PM (I0gpu)
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LF once again opens her mouth, and removes all doubt.
Posted by: Casca at March 09, 2007 06:24 PM (2gORp)
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Casca again fails to generate substantive responses and punts with a lame personal attack.
Posted by: will at March 10, 2007 02:53 PM (h7Ciu)
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Straw,
We can always count on you to talk completely out of your ass - and have absolutely no knowledge of which you speak. Instead of just parroting some nonsense made up by the traitors at the ACLU, why don't you have a look at what the professionals in law enforcement have to say about the PA and whether it has been an effective tool.
Then while you are at please tell us how your life has changed one iota since the PA's passage. What activity can't you do today, that you could do before the PA? What imagined "right" of yours has been recently trampeled on by the PA police?
Of course, you have not lost a single bit of freedom nor have any of us since the PA passage. Arguments to the contrary have no basis in fact or reality. So, Straw, if you can manage not to conspire with terrorists, I think you'll be just fine. But, hey, if things are really so bad in this country, I'll bet Castro or Chavez would love to have you. And then, finally, Straw, you could truly experience the "freedom" you've always longed for.
Ignorance is Strength.
Posted by: blu at March 10, 2007 09:29 PM (FQ15n)
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Blu,
While not an event that was a direct rampling as a result of the PA I did suffer the consequences of a Police force tha has lost it's understanding of the constitutional rights granted to it's citizens, due to the atmosphere of regenerate fear and resultant panic.
Briefly the facts. Dec 20, 2005
I am with my wife, my friend and his wife and a third friend Christmas week after a nice diner walking down 5th. ave at 53st.
I started crossing against a light deep in conversation and the first car waiting honked long and loud to get my attention (NY is not LA where the right of pedestrians is upheld) I jumped back, pissed off, to the curb and take a slap at the roof of the rapidly accelerating car which had barely waited for me to move away. Long story shot. Cop saw the slap, driver pulled over and expressed outrage, I could not produce identification (not that an american must), three cops arrive, hands on their guns entreat me to stand against a wall, yelling if I put my hands in my pockets( which had already been searched and it was snowing) figuring out what to do next. Sgt. comes and confers. I am Cuffed behind my back, not told I am under arrest, into the van, to the PCT. and a holding cell sans shoelaces or any miranda. A disorderly conduct ticket is written an hour later once they determined who I was (I know my drivers lic. no. so they could look me up) and a court apperance set up. I appear with counsel, Judge asks why I kicked a police officer, officer demures and corrects her
that it was the car, not him, ticket dismissed.
Blu, this was an illegal seizure. Slapping a car is not disorderly conduct no more than slapping a sign post or a sidewalk and Americans do not have to carry papers....yet!
This event, which should have been a non-event, with the officer chastizing the driver for not yielding to a pedestrian in a cross walk, chastizing me for not watching where I was going, turned into a epic struggle, because no cop wants to be the one who lets the guy with the bomb, or the guy on the watch list out of his custody. THe same mentality that causes my elderly 90+ year old mother to be searched at the airport.
Blu, we are declining into a fearful police state and thousands of people are having their rights abridged and as I said before there are no convictions on the books.
Posted by: strawman at March 11, 2007 11:23 AM (9ySL4)
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Straw,
First of all, that sucks. Sorry to hear it. But that is about cops, not the PA. The PA is about the GWOT. Two very different things.
Secondly, I'm a libertarian by nature. I'm not a natural ally of law enforcement; and though my best friend is a cop, I generally find the average police officer to be a low IQ power-tripper with minimal analytical skills. Let's face it, these people only need pass the 12th grade. 9-11, however, changed my mind about a lot of things. Afterwards, I understood that that the world had changed and that we were now facing an enemy and a religion that was sick and twisted. Islamfascim is a disease that must be wiped out - period. And by any means necessary.
This war will be long, drawn out, and will go back and forth. Western civilization - the greatest civilization the world has ever known - depends on our victory.
Choose your side.
Posted by: blu at March 11, 2007 06:47 PM (FQ15n)
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Am I the only one thinking Midnight Cowboy??
I'm walkin heeere!
Posted by: annika at March 12, 2007 07:58 AM (lMqjc)
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Annika,
Yes, just start calling me Ratzo Strawman.
I think, Blu, that all the fallout from what I call an innapropriate extension of the powers granted to justice through Homeland security, runs down hill. As you know, I do believe and agree with you that the extreme elements of Islam are a dangerous and vile force and that their efforts to attact the west must be stopped. I recognized this fifteen years ago and said to who ever would listen that this was going to be the great problem of the new mellennium. I just don't agree that Iraq was the right place to fight this enemy (since NO radical Islamists were allied with iraq or were being supplied or trained in or by iraq) and I don't agree that "all methods necessary and available must be used". We differ ONLY over those issues, that is not to say this is a small difference of opinion, but to believe that my differences mean I wish for them to prevail or take pelasure in any loss of ours or advance of theirs is absurd. I believe Bush and crew are seriously over matched and the situation on the ground proves this.
Posted by: strawman at March 12, 2007 10:15 AM (9ySL4)
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Irony On Top Of Irony On Top Of Irony
A USC free speech group was fined by the university for posting flyers outside USC's free speech zone, which say "This is not a free speech zone."
Story at LAist.
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Too many universities restrict speech that would otherwise be permissible elsewhere. This is akin to a hospital rejecting patients for being too sick. How ironic that the self-appointed saviors who run our universities have the audacity to believe that others are "intolerant."
Posted by: Mark at March 08, 2007 10:29 AM (2MrBP)
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This shouldn't surprise anybody. Those who have spent 4+ years at an American university understand through experience the Orwellian nature of the environment. As one the last bastions of communism, the university embodies the intolerance, elitism, and stifling of independent thought that typifies all communist regimes. It is hardly surprising that those who choose to spend their careers in this environment tend to embrace the same ideology?
Posted by: blu at March 08, 2007 11:08 AM (j8oa6)
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That last sentence wasn't supposed to be a question. Apologies.
Posted by: blu at March 08, 2007 11:09 AM (j8oa6)
Posted by: The Law Fairy at March 08, 2007 01:00 PM (XUsiG)
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Blu is right. David Horowitz does excellent work trying to protect the rights of college students who have run into trouble for their conservative views. His books, especially 'Radical Son' are must reads for those intrigued with the left to right transformation.
Posted by: Mike C. at March 08, 2007 04:42 PM (86QII)
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Blu,
"last bastions of communism" Your are such a card. How does you mouth not turn to stone and crack when you say such retarded things? I am no fan of Collegiate PC rules and the belief that being born entitles you not to be offended, but to make your equation about communism is so nuts I am left speechless in all zones.
Posted by: strawman at March 09, 2007 01:33 PM (9ySL4)
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"I am left speechless"
Answered prayer to many!
Posted by: blu at March 09, 2007 05:36 PM (FQ15n)
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March 04, 2007
Annika's Journal Now Selling Carbon Offsets
[What the hell is a carbon offset?]
SAVE THE WORLD!!!
Buy carbon offsets from me.
Even though I don't know what a carbon offset is, I know a moneymaker when I see one.
You, guilt ridden Annika's Journal reader that you are, can save the world! One book at a time. One DVD at a time. One moderately priced cheese sampler at a time.
First, a description of the problem.
All scientists agree that:
- The Earth is warming.
- It's your fault.
- You can do something about it.
- If you don't do something about it, the animals will die.
- If you don't do something about it, the good rich people will have to move away from Malibu, Palm Beach and the Upper East Side.
- Doing something about it should somehow involve penalizing the bad rich people like those evil corporation men.
- Doing something about it will make you feel good, even if the world ends up getting destroyed anyway. Or not.
[
N.B. Anyone who disagrees with any of the above
propositions statements of incontrovertible fact will be immediately banned from this site, and your comments removed. This is not an example of censorship. No not at all. Its just that there are certain prerequisites of intelligence and knowledge that all commenters to this blog should possess. It's what my readers expect, after all. By disagreeing with what I say is incontrovertible fact, you are demonstrating that you do not possess the minimum intelligence and knowledge required, and therefore in order to maintain the credibility of this weblog —
you must be smacked down sucka!!!]
Now that you understand the problem (animals dying, good people moving), I'm sure you want to know how to help. After all, Al Gore recently said that all we need in order to solve the problem is in our very own hands, except for the will to act, which we also have. Which means that we have everything we need.
But although we have everything we need, we don't have everything we want. This might seem unrelated at first but if you keep reading you'll see that the two points are very related.
When I say we don't have everything we want, what I really mean is I don't have everything I want. For instance, I don't have:
- Hawaii Five-0 - The Complete First Season. I love this show, and I've been waiting for the DVD set to come out for years! Coincidentally, Hawaii is another place that will probably be destroyed because of you and your decadent lifestyle.
- A Storm of Swords by George R. R. Martin. I've been working my way through Martin's "Song of Fire and Ice" series, and I'm halfway through it. This is the next book in the series and I want it. By the way, a song of fire and ice is what you'll be singing if you don't get off your ass and do something to stop global warming.
- Two pounds of Spanish cheese. This item doesn't necessarily have anything to do with global warming, but who doesn't love Manchego cheese? I know I do. It's great with just a sprinkle of olive oil on it. Of course, if we don't stop global warming, all the olive trees will die.
There are plenty of other things I want too. You can find them
here.
To sum up what I'm trying to say, we have everything we need to stop global warming but I don't have everything I want.
So here's the deal. You can save the world and help stop global warming by buying me shit. Your purchases will help pay for carbon offsets that I will do, or make, or whatever. For every dollar you spend on me, I promise to reduce the carbon footprint of my apartment by turning off all non-essential electrical devices for one hour.* This could add up to some serious non-electrical usage depending on how many offsets you buy.
So save the planet — buy me stuff. If they knew how much you cared, I'm sure the polar bears would thank you. (Assuming they could talk, and wouldn't eat you first, which they probably would, but you get my point — it's for the animals.)
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* Up to a maximum of 8 hours per day, weekends excluded. Non-essential electrical devices does not include refrigerators, clock radios, and any device that uses a clock or would be a hassle to unplug like my cable box.
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Heh, I'm selling carbon offsets too. I will stop eating baked beans with my steak, thus reducing methane emissions. I want cash though. Your contribution of $100 will keep me from eating beans for an entire day! $500 will get me to forego sauteed onions.
Posted by: Casca at March 04, 2007 04:06 PM (2gORp)
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Oh ... I agree with both of you. By the way, is there anyone who has not seen the item on Al Gore's personal electrical/gas usage at his mansion in Tennessee? Apparently, his monthly consumption rivals the average American household's yearly usage.
Way to go, Al. Way to show us the way!
Also by the way, we have the greatest collection of semi-moronic global warming types up here in the Great White North. Of course, we just want to see the end of winter right now. So I guess we're not deniers as much as wanters.
Regards,
George
Posted by: George at March 04, 2007 06:37 PM (ZFlBR)
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Carbon Offsets are what you sell to an environmentalist who can't stop his own massive consumption of fossil fuels, so you start a company to encourage someone else to reduce their consumption to offset yours. It alleviates what I have dubbed "green guilt".
In that vein, I am starting a company to sell Calorie Offsets, to help with out nations problem with obesity.
Details here: http://speaking-frankly.blogspot.com/2007/03/im-promoting-calorie-neutral-lifestyle.html
Posted by: Frank at March 04, 2007 08:36 PM (mordM)
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Frank, you got a rate-card?
Posted by: Casca at March 05, 2007 07:14 AM (Y7t14)
Posted by: shelly at March 05, 2007 08:27 AM (JQe3J)
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Wait just a minute here, lady. Are you saying you'd forgo use of your vibrator for an hour for each dollar donated?
It's gonna be a long year.
Posted by: shelly at March 05, 2007 09:34 AM (JQe3J)
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I think it was John and Ken on KFI who were talking to some organization that planted trees for carbon offsets. I heard the pre-conversation, but didn't hear the conversation itself.
Regarding George Martin, I think his work with America was underrated. Obviously one can understand the fascination with his Beatles and Goons work, but the America stuff truly defined the 1970s (a period of predicted
global cooling, by the way).
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at March 05, 2007 01:31 PM (BSx9z)
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I want to get ahead of the curve here. I'm selling solar credits. For $100, I won't use any sunshine for a day.
You do know that the Martian polar caps are melting also, so sunlight is the culprit, not Al Gore's emissions.
In Syracuse, it's not like we get much sunlight anyway, so your order will be quickly and easily filled.
Posted by: MarkD at March 05, 2007 02:07 PM (5vbH6)
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> Even though I don't know what a carbon offset is,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_offset
Sadly, I see you've chosen to take the polemicist route this time, instead of actual informed discussion. You'll get the dittoheads onboard, but thoughtful people won't pay much mind. If you're trying to change the way people think, this didn't do it.
Again, the consensus in the scientific community is overwhelming, no matter how the pundits, fiction authors, and politicians try to spin it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_opinion_on_climate_change
Posted by: will at March 05, 2007 03:42 PM (z62e3)
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Ah, the return of the corksucker.
Posted by: Casca at March 05, 2007 04:27 PM (2gORp)
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Yeah, the weather dude can't get the temp right a week from now, but a bunch of enviro whores paid to come up with the results the envionmentalist orgs ask them to are going to predict the earth's temp.
The same community said we were heading for an ice age not too long ago. They were likely closer to being right than the current crop of guys and gals trying to keep the research money flowing.
Will, even if you are right - time, though, will prove you're not - what do you propose? How many people are you willing to put out of work? How many poor people are you willing to starve so you and your liberal elites can feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
The arrogance of you people is stunning...
BTW, as you folks listen to people like Will and the rest of the Global Warming Jihadists keep in mind that their movement is totally political, and its ultimate aim is more socialism and bureaucracy. They want your money.
The social marketing techniques they use are very similar to those used by the political whores. (I worked in the non-profit industry for a long time and have been "media trained." So, I know all the tricks of pushing your agenda to the media.) When these people are in the media, the stick to their talking-points - no matter the actual question. They are trained to spread their propoganda and to always - and keep an eye out for this - attack the credibility of those who disagree with them. They will mix in ad hominem attacks with subtle insinuations that "industry" is behind everthing -you know those "evil" corporations who are trying to destroy the planet. (They act as if the foundations that fund their side's research is agenda free. Yeah, right.)
Posted by: blu at March 05, 2007 06:22 PM (FQ15n)
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Oh yeah I'm shamelessly jumping on the bandwagon. Brilliant Annika. Wonder if I can get my liberal treehugging brother to buy in...
Posted by: Stew at March 05, 2007 08:18 PM (swd4s)
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Round 5 with blu...
> Yeah, the weather dude can't get the temp right a week from now, but a bunch of enviro whores paid to come up with the results the envionmentalist orgs ask them to are going to predict the earth's temp.
1. Meterology and Climatology are very different sciences. Conjoining the two is a ploy by vested interests to confuse the uniformed.
2. Which environmentalist organizations paid all of the science academies listed in my post above? In fact, which scientists researching climatology at universities and research institutions are paid off by environmental organizations? If you list any, list the amounts and their source. For a exemplar, see www.exxonsecrets.org
> The same community said we were heading for an ice age not too long ago.
There were some scientists that identified a trend we now know as the cooling effects of aerosols (now regulated). Since the regulation, temperatures returned to a warming trend. For a short lesson, google "aerosols" "climate" "NASA".
> They were likely closer to being right than the current crop of guys and gals trying to keep the research money flowing.
You are making unfounded assumptions. Indeed, this is a recycling of early tobacco company complaints about cancer researchers.
>Will, even if you are right - time, though, will prove you're not
Unsupported assertion.
> - what do you propose? How many people are you willing to put out of work?
You have not established that any or all measures to reduce global warming will put significan numbers of people out of work.
> How many poor people are you willing to starve so you and your liberal elites can feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
How many people are starving so that fat conservatives can pig out on all-you-can-eat buffets? Are conservatives doing everything they can to help feed starving peoples? How many more will starve as more and more land undergoes desertification? The world's deserts are growing, not shrinking, as the climate continues to heat up.
> The arrogance of you people is stunning...
I simply quote the climatology community; you seem to quote Rush, and have the temerity to assign arrogance...
> BTW, as you folks listen to people like Will and the rest of the Global Warming Jihadists
Blatant propagandist name-calling ploy.
> keep in mind that their movement is totally political,
If you believe the bulk of the world's climatology scientists are political, and conversely Rush, Inhofe, ACE, etc are scientific entities, then there is little reason to aportion merit to your position.
> and its ultimate aim is more socialism and bureaucracy. They want your money.
FUD. "It's" has no meaning.
> The social marketing techniques they
Who is "they"? The science academies of the world? The US National Research Council? The American Meteorological Society? The American Geophysical Union? American Chemical Society?
> use are very similar to those used by the political whores. (I worked in the non-profit industry for a long time and have been "media trained." So, I know all the tricks of pushing your agenda to the media.)
So you have skipped a discussion of the science basis and are attacking those who are disseminating the message.
> When these people are in the media, the stick to their talking-points - no matter the actual question. They are trained to spread their propoganda and to always - and keep an eye out for this - attack the credibility of those who disagree with them.
These scientists are skilled propagandists who are lying to us on TV? Or are you refering to others?
> They will mix in ad hominem attacks with subtle insinuations that "industry" is behind everthing -you know those "evil" corporations who are trying to destroy the planet. (They act as if the foundations that fund their side's research is agenda free. Yeah, right.)
I've given you a reference to www.exxonsecrets.org (and Exxon has admitted to funding such organizations, paying for papers attacking climate change science). Please share references you have to your claim above. And Rush diatribes do not count as evidence. And 'yeah right' carries no weight in a debate...
Posted by: will at March 06, 2007 08:28 PM (/sKxm)
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Annika,
In the 1970s, it was "Song of Ice."
Now it's "Song of Fire."
Albertus Magnus told me so.
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Will,
A website which names itself "Exxon Secrets" is legit, but Rush Limbaugh is not? OK!
Just prior to citing a conspiratorial, anti-corporate website (
how original can you get?) you blame someone else of skiping "a discussion of the science."
Double standards are fascinating.
Meanwhile, in about 24 hours, 18,000 children will die of malnourishment/starvation, but the environmental community's scaremongers poison the air (ironic) with paranoia about a problem which we don't understand and whose effects will not be felt for a century or more.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,253899,00.html
On the other hand, enviros have made clear their infatuation with Mother Earth and need to "eliminate" human beings.
http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/j/jacquesyve204407.html
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/700229/posts
Posted by: mark at March 07, 2007 09:15 AM (2MrBP)
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Did you even access the information tying Exxon's contributions to organizations that are attacking climate change science?"
For brevity's sake, I'll just link
Lee's take on that.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 07, 2007 03:49 PM (I0gpu)
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Not much here, I'm afraid;
>the IPCC is doing exactly what the Bush administration did on Iraq, finding the answer they wanted then picking the data to support it.
He may be right about the Bush Administration, but has no support for his statement about the IPCC. Does he even discuss what the data sources are? No, he simply makes this blanket statement hoping that that no one understands what he is talking about.
> The process itself is inherently biased and unfair.
Simply because he says so? Does he even know what the process is? He shows no signs of even the vaguest clue.
> Sierra Club gives money to researcher? Good. Exxon gives money to researcher? Ooooh, bad, evil!
Another weak attempt at deflection. Look at the scientists involved and identify the ones that the Sierra Club funded; The science academies of the world? The thousands of scientists of the IPCC? The US National Research Council? The American Meteorological Society? The American Geophysical Union? American Chemical Society?
It's absurd to make such a broadsweeping statements that have no basis in reality; after all, what kind of people would lend any credence to this lack of evidence? If there is evidence, let's see it.
On the other hand, I typing this while listening to a stirring message by King Abdullah of Jordan, once a young monarch thrust into his position, now a maturing leader with a moving appeal. Of course, I prefer democratic leaders, but a ME leader such as he is a welcome example.
Posted by: will at March 07, 2007 06:17 PM (/sKxm)
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Will:
1. Think tanks need money to survive, and most are supported by major contributors, some of which are corporations. Should we discard all research because a corporation is supporting it financially and might have a vested interest in the outcome? Or is it just when ExxonMobil wants research done on an area which impacts their business? THEN we should be suspicious?
2. Assuming that Exxon is pouring money into such research, you have not proven that Exxon has any fraudulent/evil intent, nor have you proven that the research must therefore be incorrect.
3. Anyone who opposed Kyoto is 100% correct. If the intent of the Kyoto Treaty is to help the environment (which I doubt), it is a tragic attempt at doing so. Among the plethora of problems with it, it exempts 1/3rd of the global population by ignoring pollution from China and India. It is so cost prohibitive that countries are having trouble complying with it already. It will have virtually zero impact on temps. The Senate voted down this disaster in 1997 (?) during the Clinton years by a razor thin margin of 95-0.
4. No, I never blamed enviros for starving children! I brought them up to illustrate a tremendous lack of priorities on the part of environmentalists. If your toddler is about to be hit by a car, which would you do first: (1) try to save his/her life immediately, or (2) set up a college trust fund?
5. Your apologizing for Cousteau is depressing and you again misunderstand my point. Cousteau assumed that population must be "stabilized;" it does not. The problem is not the numbers of people but overcrowding. Again, 1/3rd of the global population is concentrated in 2 countries. Much available land mass is EMPTY.
Even if Cousteau was 100% correct that population must be stabilized, to suggest that 350,000 people need to be "eliminated every day" means EXACTLY that. He believed that 350,000 people must lose their lives every day in order to achieve some greater goal. Whether he wanted them killed, or just wished away in a cornfield like a certain Twilight Zone episode, is irrelevant. His quote fits with the enviro general belief that humans are a pestilence consuming and wasting too much. (Of course, such a suggestion would never include HIM.)
6. Placing Rush Limbaugh and Hitler in the same sentence is not worthy of a response.
7. My reaction from your quotes from Roosevelt: "So what?" Of course, the environment must be protected. Of course, wildlife must be protected. No one disagrees with this and conserving is not the issue. The issue is whether currently rising temps are an anomaly and if they are, will they cause the doomsday scenarios that Al Gore and others believe it will. I might agree with them if they had the science to support their claims; they don't. Theirs is a purely political agenda of wealth re-distribution, of power and control. If Gore truly believed what he preached, would he consuming 20 times the amount of electricity than the average American? I suspect not. Libs cannot speak on any topic without the word "hypocricy." If Gore is not a prime example of it, the word has no meaning.
Posted by: Mark at March 07, 2007 06:18 PM (5JjYB)
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Simply because he says so?"
Lee did
a follow-up on my previous link.
Timothy Ball would back him up.
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King Abdullah of Jordan, once a young monarch thrust into his position, now a maturing leader with a moving appeal."
I wouldn't get too attached since he might get
Shah't depending on the ultimate outcome in Iraq.
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Of course, I prefer democratic leaders, but a ME leader such as he is a welcome example."
Agreed.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 07, 2007 07:58 PM (I0gpu)
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Hey Will,
Please tell everybody how much the temperature in the US has gone up since the time of the Industrial Revolution. It must have gone up 5 or 10 degrees, right? After all, we are the world's biggest polluter. So, clue us all in, Will. How much has the avg temp gone up?
While you are at it, give us your excuse for why the avg US temp went down from around 1940 through the early 70's.
Posted by: blu at March 08, 2007 02:09 PM (j8oa6)
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> 1. Think tanks need money to survive, and most are supported by major contributors, some of which are corporations.
Precisely the point: Think tanks generate the ‘analysis’ needed by corporations for eyewash, and they get rewarded by saidorganizations. Only too frequently, the results are so predictable that the think tanks get paid in advance.
>Should we discard all research because a corporation is supporting it financially and might have a vested interest in the outcome?
Any critical thinker would be highly suspicious.
> Or is it just when ExxonMobil wants research done on an area which impacts their business? THEN we should be suspicious?
Covertly buying shill scientists through indirect payoffs should raise alarm bells in any citizens mind. Why would they have to pay for such research if it were not obvious or at least had convincing data support? First, it was “There is no global warming”. Then it was “There is
no human contribution”. Now it’s “we simply don’t know exactly how much human contribution there is”. The line has moved so many times it isn’t funny, but each time, we are supposed to believe them??
> 2. Assuming that Exxon is pouring money into such research, you have not proven that Exxon has any fraudulent/evil intent, nor have you proven that the research must therefore be incorrect.
It is not my job to prove them incorrect, because they have simply said, “We don’t know”. One can’t
disprove a negative. Conversely, the scientific community has established a 90% link that humans are causing the major portion of global warming, so I invite you to present evidence that will convince them that they are wrong. HereÂ’s where we have an exercise in expert testimony that Anni may have already studied in school.
> 3. Anyone who opposed Kyoto is 100% correct. If the intent of the Kyoto Treaty is to help the environment (which I doubt), it is a tragic attempt at doing so. Among the plethora of problems with it, it exempts 1/3rd of the global population by ignoring pollution from
China and India.
You first statement is simply a bald pronouncement. You are correct about the population that is currently exempt. The first stage (Kyoto) is intended to reign in the excesses of the developed world.
Remember, the average American uses about 20 times the energy that the average Chinese uses. So sitting in one’s SUV and pointing out that there are still a few places for Chinese and Indian people to hang off the outside of buses is a pointless argument. The second stage is where the developing world is encouraged by the carrot and stick (technologies and trade) to implement the next round of emissions reductions.
> It is so cost prohibitive that countries are having trouble complying with it already.
Most of the European countries are significantly below their 1990 emission levels, while the US
has seen a 16% rise from 1990 to 2004.Â
In the same time period, the UK
greenhouse gas emission
dropped 14.6%.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/climatechange/uk/ukccp/pdf/ukccp06-pt3.pdf
http://epa.gov/climatechange/emissions/usinventoryreport.html
> It will have virtually zero impact on temps.
The Senate voted down this disaster in 1997 (?) during the
Clinton years by a razor thin margin of 95-0.
Of course, the language of the bill stated ”the United States should not be
a signatory to any protocol toÂ…which would would
result in serious harm to the economy of the United States”;
 this was the poison pill that no one would
stand up and say, “I’ll vote for that!”.
> 4. No, I never blamed enviros for starving children! I brought them up to illustrate a tremendous lack of priorities on the part of environmentalists.
And what are the priorities of the conservatives with respect to starving children around the world? Those pundits that started this assumed their followers would not recognize hypocrisy…
>5. Your apologizing for Cousteau is depressing
And your attempt at spinning CousteauÂ’s words are even more depressing.
> 6. Placing Rush Limbaugh and Hitler in the same sentence is not worthy of a response.
I take it you’ve never uttered or typed the word, "feminazi"? Or is that ‘different’ in your mind, hmm?
> 7. My reaction from your quotes from
Roosevelt:"So what?" Of course, the environment must be protected. Of course, wildlife must be protected. No one disagrees with this and conserving is not the issue.
Then you are at odds with the former GOP majority that sought to turn the park service into Walmart temps and sell off park and BLM land at firesale prices.
> The issue is whether currently rising temps are an anomaly and if they are, will they cause the
doomsday scenarios that Al Gore and others believe it will. I might agree with them if they had the science to support their claims; they don't.
Yours is a minority view, a minority that has shrunken drastically in the last fifteen years as drove after drove of reasonably skeptical scientists have considered, evaluated, and accepted the data and analysis behind global warming. Note that they don’t get their information from Fox News or New Republic.
> Theirs is a purely political agenda of wealth re-distribution, of power and control.
On the contrary, scientists have in mind the pursuit of insight and knowledge. One doesn’t get a PhD in geeky science fields to be a political string puller, or a stock market manipulator. While science is not completely free of politics, the influence of money from vested corporate interests is completely and irrefutably bent on dominating the scientific discussion in the direction of profits, at the expense of the truth.
>Â If Gore truly believed what he preached, would
he consuming 20 times the amount of electricity than the average American? I suspect not. Libs cannot speak on any topic without the word "hypocricy." If Gore is not a prime example of it, the word has no meaning.
>You have a good point here; if Gore doesnÂ’t practice what he preaches, does that mean that all those scientists are wrong? Think about that.
And Al Gore purchases green power, from wind, hydro, solar, and biomass. So while he spends quite a bit of money, he does not pollute the way some would like you to believe.
I myself have put my money where my mouth is. Our house is passive solar heated (with
efficient woodstove backup), powered by photovoltaics, and the entire house is highly energy efficient, from the refrigerator to the
dishwasher to the building insulation and clothesline.
Â
We both have hybrids, though I take the bus
to work. Etc, etc. And I bought my Honda Insight while still a stalwart Republican (as did Pat Michaels, who still is).
So when the president says that "America is addicted to oil", I agree with him, and have taken steps for my part to free America from dependency on expensive foreign oil that helps to fund terrorists. Who here is helping to fight terrorism in such a way, by deed instead of word? Let them cast the first stone...
Posted by: will at March 08, 2007 06:38 PM (/sKxm)
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>> "Simply because he says so?"
> Lee did a follow-up on my previous link. Timothy Ball would back him up.
One Canadian complains about one environmentalist? Not much when compared to;
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2006-11-02-white-house-scientists_x.htm?csp=34
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/311/5763/917
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/03/17/60minutes/main1415985.shtml
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-06-21-kerry-ideology_x.htm
Posted by: will at March 08, 2007 06:59 PM (/sKxm)
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I asked about the US.... where temperature has SKY ROCKETED ABOUT (drum roll) half a degree and much of this can be attributed to heating around urban areas.
With regard to the .7 or .8 claimed for global temperatures, we know that the data for most of the planet was highly unreliable until only recently.
So, the enviro-nazis have set about to scare children and bankrupt economies for a rise in temp of about half a degree.
I can't wait to sit back and laugh at you people in about 20 years. I'll be Simon; you, Will, will be Ehrlich.
Posted by: blu at March 08, 2007 07:46 PM (FQ15n)
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> I asked about the US.... where temperature has SKY ROCKETED ABOUT (drum roll) half a degree
Global temperatures are what truly matter, as those will provide indications of how the entire system is reacting. If you want to zero in a few specific areas, then you miss the big picture. For example, if you zeroed in on Alaska, you'd see significant permafrost melting to the point that roads are buckling and housed foundering on their foundations.
Alaska’s climate has warmed about 4°F since the 1950’s and 7°F in the interior during winter. The state experienced a 30% average increase in precipitation between 1968 and 1990. The growing season has lengthened by two weeks. Sea ice has retreated by 14% since 1978 and thinned by 60% since the 1960s with widespread effects on marine ecosystems, coastal climate, and human settlements. Permafrost melting has caused erosion, landslides and damaged infrastructure in central and southern Alaska. Recent warming has been accompanied by “unprecedented increases in forest disturbances, including insect attacks. A sustained infestation of spruce bark beetles, which in the past have been limited by cold, has caused widespread tree deaths over 2.3 million acres on the Kenai Peninsula since 1992, the largest loss to insects ever recorded in North America” (US Global Change Research Program, National Assessment, 2001).
For more recent information that shows a continue of the damage, see http://www.usgcrp.gov/usgcrp/Library/nationalassessment/overviewalaska.htm
> and much of this can be attributed to heating around urban areas.
No, this excludes the urban heat island effect. Data points are purposely adjusted to account for higher amounts of asphalt, fewer trees, etc. The few denialists scientists know this, but repeat it because they know most of the people the are victims of their propaganda won't take the time to look it up.
http://www.ucar.edu/research/climate/warming.jsp
> With regard to the .7 or .8 claimed for global temperatures, we know that the data for most of the planet was highly unreliable until only recently.
You make this claim, though you provide no evidence to back it up, so this is simply a bald assertion.
> So, the enviro-nazis
Oh, so it IS ok to refer to Rush and Hitler in the same sentence? But now you are talking about the scientist that specialize in climatology, and such words ring hollow.
>have set about to scare children and bankrupt economies for a rise in temp of about half a degree.
The research is targeted at adults, and bankrupting is already underway via the Bush Administration. If you plan to reference any economic models that support your latter statement, be careful to cite ones that don't come from institutes that Exxon has funded.
Posted by: will at March 10, 2007 05:10 AM (h7Ciu)
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spruce bark beetles?! hit em with a little DDT. problem solved!
; )
Posted by: annika at March 11, 2007 08:04 AM (lMqjc)
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"No, this excludes the urban heat island effect."
Actually, Will, it doesn't. Not to the proper extent. There are cities within a 200 miles of NYC that have seen almost no warming over the past 100 years. If your global warming theory were correct, this would not happen since the rise in heat in NYC has been significant. Hey Will, I'm curious do computer simulations count as "scientific proof" in other fields? LOL. You guys haven't proven anything.
Will, one thing I know for certain after debating you is that you are not a scientist. I suspect you are a marketing schmuk with a BA. You do a good job plagerizing other people's ideas but have virutally zero independent thought and almost zero analytical abilitiy. I've graded papers of graduate students similar to you - people without their own voice. So, arguing with you is pointless. You will just parrot the ideas of those with whom you agree. When the day comes that you have actually graduated with a Masters degree or higher in ANY subject, please let me know.
Posted by: blu at March 11, 2007 07:00 PM (FQ15n)
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>>"No, this excludes the urban heat island effect."
> Actually, Will, it doesn't. Not to the proper extent. There are cities within a 200 miles of NYC that have seen almost no warming over the past 100 years. If your global warming theory were correct, this would not happen since the rise in heat in NYC has been significant.
You have misunderstood the heat island effect. Why do you believe it would effect reading 200 miles away? And why would readings in one small area of the world extrapolate to the rest of the world? That's called cherry picking data, and is unrelated to global climate patterns.
>> Hey Will, I'm curious do computer simulations count as "scientific proof" in other fields? LOL. You guys haven't proven anything.
Hmm, you ask a question, then provide your own answer. Models are used throughout the scientific community from epidemiology to astrophysics. Most are used to make projections, and normally require attention to assumptions and unknowns in order to establish margins of error.
>> Will, one thing I know for certain after debating you is that you are not a scientist. I suspect you are a marketing schmuk with a BA. You do a good job plagerizing other people's ideas but have virutally zero independent thought and almost zero analytical abilitiy. I've graded papers of graduate students similar to you - people without their own voice. So, arguing with you is pointless. You will just parrot the ideas of those with whom you agree. When the day comes that you have actually graduated with a Masters degree or higher in ANY subject, please let me know.
My undergrad is in Electro-mechanical engineering and my masters is in Computer Science, with a focus in Scientific Computation (physics, specifically). I am technically not a scientist in the traditional sense, so make no direct reference to scientific findings of my own research. Indeed, referencing the work of scientists is the only way to debate the subject, unless you simply want to get into layman speculation, which isn't work the time to key in.
So 'independent thought' is a desirable trait when discussing philosophy, politics, and other opinion-driven topics, but simply pontificating about unsupported, unscientific opinions concerning a scientific domain is pointless and unfruitful.
Ask a lawyer why they have to call in subject matter experts on some topics in court.
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Amendment To Earlier Pledge
I have already
publicly pledged that
I will not vote for John McCain in the unlikely event that he gets the Republican nomination. I stand by that pledge, but I'm adding this addendum: If the Republican Party is stupid enough to nominate McCain, I plan to write in
"Preston Taylor Holmes."
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Newt will be in the fray, and he will be the candidate.
Posted by: Casca at March 01, 2007 01:57 PM (Y7t14)
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Annie, NEVER say "never".
Imagine Hillary v. McCain. You gonna sit on your hands and let her waltz in and steal what's left of the silver, furniture and flatware?
She'll probably steal all those typewriters that are missing the "W's" as well.
Hey, I'm for Newt, but if the nominees are John and Hillary, I'm backing John.
Posted by: shelly at March 01, 2007 02:29 PM (JQe3J)
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I know virtually nothing about McCain so fill me in. What is so bad about him?
Posted by: Andy at March 01, 2007 03:45 PM (zGJwm)
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McCain has a lack of wisdom. He believes he can romance the media, and they will like and support him. He doesn't realize the media only build him up to suit their purposes of preveting conservatives from being elected. If he got the Repub nomination, the media would slay him with a thousand vicious cuts. He would be the most surprised man in America to see it happen.
McCain has a vague quality of trying too hard to please. It's as if he never grew up, never grew out of this aspect of the awkward teen-ager phase. It's as if he is constantly, frantically seeking approval. Amateur psychology: he may be unconsciously seeking the approval of the father he idolized. Don't get me wrong: McCain is tough. Yet, the over-trying to please and over-seeking approval aspect of his personality remains.
McCain is not wise enough/conservative enough, as evidenced by McCain-Feingold. When you thrash the 1st Amendment, you thrashing just about the most sacred thing around.
All that said, if McCain wins, I will vote for him, and I will work for his election. No damn way I'm going to support protest votes which may elect Obama or Hillary. McCain is not my preferred candidate, but he is far better than the light as fluff man or the shrew.
Posted by: gcotharn at March 01, 2007 04:09 PM (rkq1p)
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Casca,
I will buy and ship a case of your favorite beer if Newt wins the nomination. Sorry I can't wager that man-on-boy porn you're so fond of but I wouldn't know where to begin looking for it.(Perhaps, some good ol' fashion girl-on-girl?)
Posted by: blu at March 01, 2007 04:30 PM (wv4pD)
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Casca, forget the beer. If Newt wins the nomination, you 'n me are gonna kill a bottle of MacCallans 25 year old, all by ourselves.
And, a monkey will jump out of your ass...
Posted by: shelly at March 01, 2007 05:41 PM (JQe3J)
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Hey go talk some sense into that 6 meat feller. Voting for Hillary is no solution.
Also, I'm a little disappointed you didn't propose writing in Major X. Although we've never met, I assure you I am a man of great distinction.
That, and I'm not John McCainiac!
Over and out,
X
Posted by: Major X at March 01, 2007 07:32 PM (N155d)
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Whew, a fellow takes a nap, and the rest of the world goes by.
Andy, G is mostly right, I'd just put it this way. He's an egomaniacal jackass. If a man were all the things the left says about Nixon, only stupid, he'd be McCain.
Blu, sadly, the recent onset of gout precludes my enjoyment of most alcohol these days. I'm now reduced to a Cabernet drip. As you might imagine, this is a great hardship. Pervert porn? I draw the line at beastiality, but who with an IQ over 110 has paid for porn in the past ten years? Just send me a bottle of Elyse Shiraz.
Shell, what, you've never seen a monkey fly out of my ass? Although scotch is the prime suspect in my last attack, I will endure the rigors. I have a half bottle of Indomethracin here to chase it with.
Generally, on this subject, the smart people are right: Shelly, me, Limbaugh, Newt, et al. The information age has compressed the OODA loop of everything we know, including the news cycle. What have the pols done but exactly the wrong thing. When they should be announcing later, they're doing it earlier. All are going for what the economists call first mover advantage, but before a fickle public, that only works for the Clintonistas. They can hold their galaxy of whores with a gun to their collective head. The longer you're out there, the longer people have to get tired of you. Much better to come late, and be the fresh face.
Consider this, if that buffoon Obama hadn't announced, nobody else would have at this point in the race. We're over a year and a half out. For the next year, the msm will beat this stuff to death, and the people who care will ultimately support their party's candidate. The mush-brained 15% in the middle will start paying attention a couple weeks out from November '08.
Posted by: Casca at March 01, 2007 09:38 PM (2gORp)
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Cas, forget the Indomethracin.
Tell your doctor to prescribe 200 MG's of Zyloprim (or Allopurinal, which is the generic) every morning. And stop eating grapefruit and drinking grapefruit juice. Watch the gout go away...
Newt's playing it right, so far, but I am afraid he is going to step it up too early trying to keep up with the pack.
Posted by: shelly at March 02, 2007 06:00 AM (JQe3J)
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OK so I get now why McCain blows. Do the republicans have anyone to put up for president that is worth a damn? Is there some one that everyone would like to see run and isn't or is there some candidate out there I haven't heard of who is super great?
Posted by: Andy at March 02, 2007 03:12 PM (zGJwm)
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It's N - E - W - T.
What part don't you understand?
Posted by: shelly at March 02, 2007 04:25 PM (JQe3J)
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actually its looking like it will be Rudy. Now a rudy-newt ticket would be great.
As for McQueeg. He is not sane, not conservative, not honest, and not nice. I also, would never vote for him.
Posted by: kyle8 at March 02, 2007 07:57 PM (pipwg)
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Do the republicans have anyone to put up for president that is worth a damn?
Fred Thompson perhaps?
Posted by: reagan80 at March 02, 2007 08:59 PM (6zy4L)
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I think either Rudy or Romney would be outstanding. I very much like the Congressman from California - though I can't now think of his name! It's a crazy idea, but I'd love to see Michael Steele rehabilitated as a VP - maybe a Giuliani-Steele ticket, or Romney-Steele. I'd love to see either ticket run against Hillary. Steele is charismatic and intelligent, with enough financial scuff in his history to make him real and down to earth. Kinda crazy, but that's who I like.
I don't understand what's behind Andy's question: "Do Repubs have anyone who is worth a damn?" Is Andy's question intended as criticism of Repubs? I'll take Rudy, Romney, & California Congressman, and I'll be very pleased with their quality. You can have George H.W. Bush, Dukakis, Perot, Bill Clinton, Bob Dole, Gore, George W. Bush, Kerry, Obama, and Hillary. Excepting W, there's not a good President in your crowd. My three guys will kick your guys ass all day long. Excepting Bill Clinton, my guys will also kick your guys ass in candidate charisma. That includes Obama, who will be shown to be an intellectual fluff. Obama's "charisma" is very thin meringue(sic), with no pie underneath.
Posted by: gcotharn at March 03, 2007 10:51 AM (rkq1p)
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casca and shelly keep forgetting to use newt's last name, which is cantwin. or his middle name, which is wontwin.
gcotharn likes the calif congressman whose name he can't remember. i don't know who you mean, but my guess is he probably wont win due to a weakness in name recognition.
Posted by: annika at March 03, 2007 12:48 PM (fTYM9)
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Indeed, Newt is even more unelectable than Hillary. The Allens and Santorums of the party are in the dustbin for now.
I'm a little surprised you wouldn't vote for McCain against Hillary or Obama. Remember, when one doesn't vote, their complaints are ignored...
Posted by: will at March 03, 2007 01:36 PM (h7Ciu)
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Duncan Hunter!
Probably can't win this cycle, but I really like him as a candidate.
Posted by: gcotharn at March 03, 2007 02:57 PM (rkq1p)
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It is starting to look like you are safe, Annie. John seems to be following Douglas MacArthurs' statement:
"Old soldiers never die, they just fade away..."
Posted by: shelly at March 03, 2007 05:05 PM (JQe3J)
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gcotharn,
No, I wasn't criticizing the republicans I was being honest. I wanted to know who they have who is worth a damn so I know who to go look up more info on. Same reason I asked the McCain question in the first place. I was honestly curious about why he isn't a good candidate.
I find if I ask on blogs like Annika's I get more honest opinions and better explanations than if I just go out and read the news spin on this candidate or that one. I even get opposing opinions from the vocal dissenters that comment on her blog. All in all it is a much more informative forum then say CNN's political pages.
In the end I'll form my own opinion but I like to hear different views from real people who have a vested interest in what happens to our country not spin doctors on the local or national news.
Posted by: Andy at March 03, 2007 08:04 PM (zGJwm)
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You guys need to read Jim Belushi's book; it is entitled "Real Mean Don't Apologize".
Posted by: shelly at March 04, 2007 12:12 PM (JQe3J)
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That's what they said about Nixon.
Posted by: Casca at March 04, 2007 04:10 PM (2gORp)
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Annika, kyle8, gcotharn:
Sorry to say but Rudy's detractors have begun their mudslinging over the weekedn and just last night Rudy's son inferred that his father lacked character and family values.
I give him till September.
Posted by: michele at March 05, 2007 06:39 PM (Lrt1F)
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I will not support McCain under any circumstances. The "John sucks, but the Dems are worse" campaign ad just won't fly with me.
McCain not only supported an assault on the 1st Amendment, he co-authored it. Sure, he had a co-sponsor, but I expect the left to try and curtail free speech. I will not tolerate it from someone on my side of the political aisle.
Also, he loves to mock, lampoon and ridicule the people who are his nominal base, especially when he wants some good coverage from the NY Times.
My brother-in-law is one of those arch-conservative fellows. He hasn't failed to vote GOP in any general election since 1980. He has stated that he would vote 3rd party if McCain wins the nomination. Now I know that the plural of anecdote isn't data, but I will bet that in the unlikely event McCains wins the Republican nomination, the outcome will make the McGovern landslide look tame by comparison.
I'm working on some possible McCain campaign slogans:
1) "I love the GOP base, except for the coservative godbags who won't vote for me."
2) "Wiping my ass with the US Constitution, one page at a time."
I'm leaning towards #2.
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February 21, 2007
Clinton, Bomber Trade Jabs Early
Presidential politics just might be my favorite spectator sport. And the Democrat league, like the AFL, is inevitably where you'll find the most action. Damn I love the Democrats.
I hope you've heard about the latest Clinton-Bomber skirmish. It's a sure sign of the even worse backbiting to come.
The latest row was sparked by music mogul and former Clinton toady David Geffen, now a Bomber groupie, whose comments were a knife in the back of Mrs. Clinton. He said:
Everybody in politics lies, but they [the Clintons] do it with such ease, it's troubling.
Slate.com cited this theory on why David Geffen might have turned against the Clintons:
The gossip passed around by those who follow Hollywood and politics holds that Geffen fell out with Bill Clinton much later over the then-president's refusal to pardon Leonard Peltier and over Clinton's subsequent allusion to Geffen's thwarted lobbying effort to demonstrate that he didn't dole out pardons as favors to certain friends.
Anyways, Hillary didn't like what Geffen said and her campaign wants Bomber to disavow the statement and return Geffen's money. Bomber, perhaps deciding it was best to draw a line in the sand early against the Clinton machine, said no.
At a candidate forum in Nevada today, Hillary played the "politics of personal destruction" card, which I think Bill invented:
I sure don't want Democrats or supporters of Democrats to be engaging in the politics of personal destruction.
She said, no doubt hiding an ironic smile.
I'm fascinated by Bronco Bomber. If I was a liberal, I'd totally jump on his bandwagon, and not just because I love making fun of his name. He's got a lot of strengths. He's very personable and yes, I hear he's articulate and clean too. I think we all want a candidate who bathes regularly, regardless of our party affiliation.
I'm not yet convinced however, that Bronco Bomber is not this season's Howard Dean. Being a media darling means nothing to the Iowa caucusers. Serious political junkies have to admit that raising a ton of money means nothing if your organization doesn't know how to use it.
People like David Geffen may represent the vocal face of the Democratic party. But they don't represent the majority of voting Democrats, who are more centrist than the press corps realizes. That's why Dean came in third in Iowa last time, even though the media kept treating him like he was the front runner. Rank and file Democrats were rightly suspicious of Dean's electability, and they went for the safer bet, John Kerry. The trouble was, they didn't inspect the goods well enough before switching to Kerry, and they got burned.
Not that I place much stock in the "Hawkeye Cauci," as Rush calls it. I don't. New Hampshire has always been a more reliable indicator of party preference, historically. And Bronco Bomber is no Howard Dean; they don't share the same negatives. That's good for Bronco. Unfortunately his poll numbers are not in a range where he should be getting the kind of press he's getting right now. The latest polls have him losing to Hillary by an average of 18.2 points. That's a lot of ground to make up, even for a media darling.
For now, Bomber's just not a credible challenger, though I love watching him make Hillary sweat.
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Pretty well said, I'd only add the simplification that Bronco is a lightweight. He's running for veep, so he'd better play nice with Dykarella.
Posted by: Casca at February 21, 2007 09:33 PM (2gORp)
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Kære Annika,
vær så venlig, slutt ikke journalen din!
Posted by: Arik at February 21, 2007 11:20 PM (bACRg)
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i think someone just called me a slutt?
Posted by: annika at February 21, 2007 11:53 PM (JBltT)
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Worse than that, an icky slut journalist.
Posted by: Casca at February 22, 2007 07:30 AM (Y7t14)
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I once knew an executive who had tremendous enthusiasm and competitiveness, but little content. She was always talking about her big plans to kick competitive ass, but never was able to identify quite what these plans *were*.
I hadn't thought about her for years, but Obama reminded me of her...
Posted by: david foster at February 22, 2007 12:58 PM (ZD/CA)
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Selv om jeres imødegå er på dansk , jeg mene jer forstod mig besked
Posted by: Arik at February 22, 2007 04:22 PM (bACRg)
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For all the talk of the primaries being dominated by the extremes of the political parties, it's interesting to note that the Democrats have nominated both Carter and Bill Clinton, who are more centrist than others in the party.
Hard to tell whether Obama is this cycle's Howard Dean. Or perhaps Hillary is this cycle's Ted Kennedy (the anointed heir who doesn't get the crown).
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at February 22, 2007 05:53 PM (GT9eg)
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Hey, Arik: I need some help with the Ikea catalog.***My 16-year-old daughter suggested the other day that Barak Obama might be the Anti-Christ. We'll just have to keep an eye on him, won't we?
Posted by: Joules at February 22, 2007 06:30 PM (u4CYb)
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Hey Annie, this is a great idea for a money making web site. Icky Journalist Sluts web cam!
Posted by: kyle8 at February 22, 2007 07:22 PM (z86sf)
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Annie, you aren't icky, but the web cam is a great idea.
Think how exciting it will be to watch you studying for the Bar later in the year!
Posted by: shelly at February 24, 2007 08:49 AM (SLFj+)
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> People like David Geffen may represent the vocal face of the Democratic party. But they don't represent the majority of voting Democrats, who are more centrist than the press corps realizes.
Interesting observation. Most of the reader comments I see on these pages would suggest otherwise. Of course, Gorbachev once thought that the US was populated primarily by Nazis and drug addicts, because the news sources he focused on told him just that. It's unfortunate that Tom Vilsack left the race, as he was one of the few voices of moderation in the Dem candidate list (though too far back in the pack in name-recognition and funding). Of course, that strengthens McCain's and Guliani's positions as centrists and makes a Republican ticket more likely to succeed. I'd be happy with either of the two, as they are both reasonably rational and have the ability to reach across the aisle.
Posted by: will at February 26, 2007 06:34 AM (z62e3)
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Well Will, hopefully one of them will win, but why reach over the aisle??? The Dems sure don't reach for anything other than the money in our pockets...
Posted by: Arik at February 27, 2007 05:15 PM (bACRg)
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"I'm a uniter, not a divider"...
Posted by: will at February 28, 2007 02:49 PM (z62e3)
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Hey there! I randomly stumbled upon your blog out of Yahoo.
Your content is filled with interesting info, and I will probably use it at some point in my career.
Keep up the excellent work!
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Iran Plan
The BBC announced that the U.S. has a plan to attack Iran and they know the details. No shit, so do I. Anybody with a brain knows we have a plan, and that it would be negligence if our military did not have a plan.
The BBC seems overly concerned with this little bit too:
US contingency plans for air strikes on Iran extend beyond nuclear sites and include most of the country's military infrastructure, the BBC has learned.
It is understood that any such attack - if ordered - would target Iranian air bases, naval bases, missile facilities and command-and-control centres.
Well, duh. One of the arguments against attacking Iran's nuclear research sites is that they might retaliate against our ships in the Gulf, and threaten shipping. Therefore, it makes sense that any attack plan address that threat too, by targeting "air bases, naval bases, missile facilities and command-and-control centres."
Calm down Beeb.
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Funny, Annika, I had the same reaction: DUH! No shit, Sherlock.
The BBC is even worse than PBS, so I guess that I shouldn't be surprised.
Posted by: blu at February 21, 2007 06:51 PM (wv4pD)
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Alternative headline: "Bush Admin has No Plan for Iran"
You can't parody these people.
Posted by: MarkD at February 22, 2007 01:51 PM (5vbH6)
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I half-recall a story (probably from the 1970s) in which the US downscaled its military preparation. Rather than having the ability to fight 2 1/2 wars at once, the US changed its strategy and only anticipated that it would have to fight 1 1/2 wars at once. The People's Republic of China, who always wanted the US to be strong to counter the Soviet threat, asked us why we were weakening our posture. We replied that the other war plans were for China.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at February 22, 2007 05:47 PM (GT9eg)
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No plan will be good unless it involves wiping out the Islamic ruling council.
Posted by: kyle8 at February 22, 2007 07:25 PM (z86sf)
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Ontario -
The Kennedy administration had a 2.5 major war standard that the Nixon administration changed to 1.5. Both of these standards had little connection to actual employment and development of forces except against the Soviet Union and Warsaw Pact.
The Clinton administration adopted a 2 MRC (changed in the 97 QDR to MTW - major theater of war) force sizing construct in 1993 since the previous Bush administration had generally abandoned a specific number of wars approach. The current administration refined the Clinton administration force sizing construct to 1-4-2-1 (two major wars, win decisively only in one) in the 2001 QDR and now to a 1-1-1 approach in the 2006 QDR (one major war and one irregular campaign such as GWOT or two major conventional operations).
Stand by as the next administration, regardless of political party, will repudiate most of the current administration's security strategies..
As for the BBC, you don't think it was by accident information got leaked to them, do you?
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February 11, 2007
Chill Wind Update
Whatever happened to Tim Robbins's
"chill wind?"
It must be yet another sign of global warming, because that "chill wind" is getting downright balmy.
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What puzzles me is why anyone gives a rat's ass about Tim Robbins or what he says or thinks.
He's just an actor, you know, a guy who recites someone else's lines.
Posted by: shelly at February 12, 2007 05:59 PM (SLFj+)
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The Global Warming is coming straight from the Libs all blowing sunshine up each other's asses at the Grammies last night. Shouldn't last too long...no matter WHAT that damned groundhog said.
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Exactly. Note to Dixie Chicks: no one cares if you make nice or back down. You're boring us to death already with your whiny, nyah-nyah song.
Posted by: Joules at February 12, 2007 10:48 PM (u4CYb)
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You would like to think these awards shows are based on talent only but this proves they are as much political as anything else. We already knew this about the Nobel Peace Prize.
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Let this be a lesson to you folks: There are many rewards and honors given to those who follow the party line.
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Social Science As The Answer
Back in August I asked
this rhetorical question:
I'm sure there's lots of guys working in thinktanks and war colleges whose job it is to figure these things out, but so far I haven't seen nor heard of any effective way to fight guerrillas other than by total unrestricted warfare — which we won't do. How do you counter the weighty advantage they've claimed for themselves by co-opting the machinery of world public opinion? How do you beat an enemy that has perfected the use of civilian deaths both offensively and defensively, if your one achilles heel is the fear of civilian deaths?
By researching the bio of Lt. Col. David Kilcullen, whom I quoted in my last post, I found
this essential article by George Packer in the December 2006 issue of
The New Yorker. It may contain the answer to my question, namely "is there another way?"
The article is New Yorker length, unfortunately. But it's Sunday Morning, so why not print it out and read it with your coffee instead of the funnies.
Lt. Col. Kilcullen and Dr. Montgomery McFate* are two people who may provide the "new way" I've been talking about. I have read about the social sciences approach to counter-insurgency before and I was very skeptical. The New Yorker article is detailed enough to be persuasive. The anthropological approach is more than just "hearts and minds" b.s. Properly implemented, it's an integrated and adaptable strategy that includes force, coersion, propaganda, and all those other fun things I've said we need to be doing. But it also recognizes that we're in a new "information age" and we need to understand and adapt to the advantage this gives our enemy.
Another very important concept, which I've not considered before, but which makes perfect sense to me, is this:
“I saw extremely similar behavior and extremely similar problems in an Islamic insurgency in West Java and a Christian-separatist insurgency in East Timor,” [Kilcullen] said. “After 9/11, when a lot of people were saying, ‘The problem is Islam,’ I was thinking, It’s something deeper than that. It’s about human social networks and the way that they operate.” In West Java, elements of the failed Darul Islam insurgency—a local separatist movement with mystical leanings—had resumed fighting as Jemaah Islamiya, whose outlook was Salafist and global. Kilcullen said, “What that told me about Jemaah Islamiya is that it’s not about theology.” He went on, “There are elements in human psychological and social makeup that drive what’s happening. The Islamic bit is secondary. This is human behavior in an Islamic setting. This is not ‘Islamic behavior.’ ” Paraphrasing the American political scientist Roger D. Petersen, he said, “People don’t get pushed into rebellion by their ideology. They get pulled in by their social networks.” He noted that all fifteen Saudi hijackers in the September 11th plot had trouble with their fathers. Although radical ideas prepare the way for disaffected young men to become violent jihadists, the reasons they convert, Kilcullen said, are more mundane and familiar: family, friends, associates.
I think it's really more complicated than just saying "kill the enemy." As a spectator, I've been as guilty as anyone in believing that our problem was an insufficiency of ass-kicking. Kilcullen sees radical Islam as just a template that the terrorist assholes plug into when they decide to dedicate themselves to their particular brand of assholery. But it's social networks, i.e. their friends, family and local communities, that are the avenue towards jihad. I think about gang members here in the U.S. These are "military age males" who would probably be joining al Qaeda if they were in Pakistan. Why, because they're assholes, and gangs or al Qaeda are what their particular social networks would drive them towards.
We need a strategy that understands and targets those social networks with a flexible and multi-faceted approach. The correct strategy should work not only in Iraq but also in the "long war," which includes Afghanistan, Africa, Europe, Southeast Asia and wherever else radical Islam is making inroads. But as the article points out, not many in government understand the problem or have the expertise to tackle it. Another obstacle is the decades long antipathy of social science academics to any endeavor that might be considered patriotic.
That needs to change.
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* A fellow Cal Bear.
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I only disagree with your conclusion. No strategy? I assure you there IS a strategy. The danger is in having more than one, or not fully developing/following your strategy.
The template for unconventional warfare is as old as the Romans. In the modern era, the Brits in Ceylon were the experts. Honestly, our Civil Action Program teams in Vietnam did a great job. It takes time to win, and one can't ignore the conventional component, i.e. one can not ignore the Iranians.
Posted by: Casca at February 11, 2007 02:48 PM (2gORp)
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ANNIKA,
The theory that the observable connection or what may look like the cohesive force that drives people in their radical, violent, antisocial and non democratic quest is not of primary but rather of secondary importance is a terribly important revelation.
It is almost a universal paradigm for understanding the nature of the movements that people join and use to explain the violent, enraged behavior they are engaged in. I was in many violent demonstrations in the 60’s, clubbed and gassed numerous times. I know today that my goals were mostly correct, the war in Vietnam was as bad and evil an idea conducted by men equal to those conducting the obliteration of Iraq today, but I have come to understand that my methods and strategies were in large part justified by aspects of my nature that nothing to do with the “war machine” and the inhumane nature of Government.
If our country were to look at hardcore drug uses through this lens they might do much better in shaping the battlefield where the "war on drugs" is fought. Nothing was more damaging in the battle to curb drug abuse in this country than was the simplistic drivel “just say no" campaign of Nancy Raygun. It was so narrow, so lacking in understanding and of course ultimately such a failure I was dumbstruck at its stupidity when it was launched.
The same “Nancy thinking” is in effect now with the nonstop harping on the nature of Islam. How Islam is the enemy and that it creates its acolytes from air as if it had the power to genetically alter young men and women such that they will give their lives to kill freedom and Americans who purportedly love it.
The thinking in the west about the forces that create those who join the army of jihad is shallow and one dimensional. The article you reference, which is open in my bathroom, is a deeper and more important way of analyzing any struggle of the sort where disaffected youth join movements and hang their rage on the rhetoric at hand. What you say about LA gang members is absolutely true; if they were in Gaza they would be Hammas and Israel would be the cause of their disaffection and her destruction their goal.
A friend once said to me in the late 60Â’s during the period of inner city riots in Watts (65) Newark(67) , Detroit(67) etc. that if you want to put an end to this violent outraged community (JihadistÂ’s) fighting against America you need only install air-conditioning in every apartment and you problem will be over. I was pretty pissed off at this seemingly shallow and callus and possibly racist remark, but knowing what I do today it was a true. Of course, AC would have done nothing to adjust the racist social policies that fueled the anger but it would have corrected a deeply held belief by the dwellers of these horrible neighborhoods that the government had an interest in their comfort and cared enough to do something about it. No riots and possibly an avenue created toward peaceful social changes that could alleviate the pernicious sense of entitlement that motivates the have-nots whose lives are surrounded by the haves.
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Strawman:
You forget one thing in your tirade against "Just Say No." There was a dramatic drop in drug use among the young during that campaign. You are a testimony to why leftists should never be allowed to dictate social policy as their solutions always fail and make problems worse.
Posted by: Jake at February 11, 2007 03:18 PM (V6rxT)
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The driving force in the jihad is sex-the strongest drive there is. In the 90's Bin Laden repeatedly said that Western culture is corrupting Muslim women by giving them ideas of freedom and independence. Bin Laden believes the only way to keep their dominance over women is to destroy Western culture.
It is not a coincidence that almost every man in the Guantánamo prison hates or fears women. Their perverted view of sex mixed with religion is an explosive force.
Theodore Dalrymple is a prison psychiatrist in the UK, and he has interviewed many captured suicide bombers whose missions failed. He says they all have sex as a motivation for their crimes:
"However secular the tastes of the young Muslim men, they strongly wish to maintain the male dominance they have inherited from their parents. A sister who has the temerity to choose a boyfriend for herself, or who even expresses a desire for an independent social life, is likely to suffer a beating, followed by surveillance of Stasi-like thoroughness. The young men instinctively understand that their inherited system of male domination—which provides them, by means of forced marriage, with sexual gratification at home while simultaneously freeing them from domestic chores and allowing them to live completely Westernized lives outside the home, including further sexual adventures into which their wives cannot inquire—is strong but brittle, rather as communism was: it is an all or nothing phenomenon, and every breach must meet swift punishment."
Posted by: Jake at February 11, 2007 03:40 PM (V6rxT)
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Jake,
I think you are wron. While the number of casula and first time users may have dropped the number of serious and habituated uses remained constant or increased and the number of tons, kilos or whatever of interdicted and hence the estimated amounts received unimpeaded in the US increased.
Statistics, Jake, That's why most social scientists do not trust the RW. They are too inlclined to fuck with the numbers to suit their wished for result. Just look at the no child left behing numbers and the commentary of teachers that have been forced to implement it. Or more recently the NOAA scientists whose research has been edited to shift the meaning by WH hacks.
Posted by: strawman at February 11, 2007 04:11 PM (9ySL4)
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The new Sheriff in town, Praetus, reputedly "wrote the book" on counter-insurgency.
Anybody here ever read it?
It ould be intersting to know what he is thinking.
But then, I'll bet the insurgents have read it; as Patton said as he was routing Rommel, "I read your book you son-of-a-bitch".
I hope Praetus has some new tricks up his sleeve.
Posted by: shelly at February 11, 2007 04:56 PM (SLFj+)
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Strawman:
Two problems with your last comment:
"No child left behind" is our only hope of school reform. Because of that program we now know the following about Minneapolis public schools.
Minneapolis spends $15,780 per pupil and only 40% of the students pass their gradeÂ’s standardized test. Only 40% of black males graduate from high school. The teacher's union has unbridled political power in the city so there is little hope of reform.
Before then no one was aware of the problem that the corrupt teachers' union had created. Based on these statistics, black parents acted. Parents moved over 50,000 black children to alternative schools. Private individuals including me gave scholarships so over 1000 could attend private elementary schools. None of this would have happened without "No child left behind."
As to NOAA, a few left-wing activists in NOAA created those false stats and the White House insisted that real science was reported instead.
Posted by: Jake at February 11, 2007 04:59 PM (V6rxT)
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Whoops, make that "Petraeus".
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Posted by: Casca at February 11, 2007 05:35 PM (2gORp)
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Jake,
This admin. does not know real science. It only knows politiczed science taylored to meet their distorted wishes and promises. To label the NOAA scientists whose data and conclusions were "adjusted" to the party line as "Left wing" and therefore unreliable is the symptom of the blindness you suffer from.
The school data has been cooked as well. the school superintendent in Houston upon whoes sucess with the pilot run has been dismissed and proven to have "adjusted" his data to tow the party line.
The administration is corrupt and dishonest when it comes to science and education policy. Training students and having teachers and administrations force the curriculum to meet the goals is denying children an education. I watched a teached drill 6 year olds on the subway as they traveled to a museum on a field trip, in their times tables. It was completly ludicris. six is, child psychologist agree, far too young to be taught these types of things. And I am sure if I asked any of these children to think mathematically they would be unable. They know 8 x 8 is 64. But ask what is the sum of 8 groups of horses each group having 8 members and see what happens. It is bullshit teaching being passed off as an education. I am an employer of people who need basic match skills and I haved proved this point time and time again during my hiring procedures.
Posted by: strawman at February 11, 2007 05:47 PM (9ySL4)
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Let's hope Petraeus has a drinking problem like Grant. And that he brings plenty of his brand of hooch with him for the other general staff officers.
Posted by: shelly at February 11, 2007 05:56 PM (SLFj+)
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Straw,
I knew my multiplication tables through 12 by the conclusion of 2nd grade. I wasn't unusual. Children can certainly learn mathematical concepts at that age. My younger brother could read whole words before age 3. My parents and his siblings simply worked with him.
Typical left-winger: The "people" are always stupid. Except of course for the left-wing elite who will save us all for ourselves.
Posted by: blu at February 11, 2007 07:00 PM (duPNB)
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Sorry Shelly, these UW guys tend to be warrior monks, abstaining from all vices save killing the enemy.
Posted by: Casca at February 11, 2007 07:50 PM (2gORp)
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"six is, child psychologist agree, far too young to be taught these types of things"
Ironically, Straw, my best friend since high school is a child psychologist and he wouldn't agree.
I'm not suggesting that all kids learn at the same rate. IQ is certainly not democratic. But most children are plenty capable by the 1st grade to begin grappling with basic math concepts like addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division.
Let me guess: You are also agree with the whole language idiots who don't think kids need to learn to spell.
Posted by: blu at February 11, 2007 08:19 PM (duPNB)
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Blu,
You mean coincidentally. Classic misuse of irony. I guess you were absent from school that day.
Posted by: strawman at February 12, 2007 01:04 PM (9ySL4)
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Hey, I just found this blog.
Who is this idiot Strawman? Why does anyone even respond to his idiocy?
Posted by: AntonioVdeLA at February 13, 2007 03:15 AM (SLFj+)
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Well Antonio, it's like this. Strawman is a self-loathing queer, literally. Nobody talks to him except Blu, who gets some sort of titilation arguing with him. Closet queen? You make the call.
Posted by: Casca at February 13, 2007 04:17 PM (2gORp)
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Ah, that explains it. Put me down for the "nobody talks to him" group.
Posted by: AntonioVdeLA at February 14, 2007 04:00 AM (SLFj+)
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Ah,
More intelligent discourse from the cheap seats.
What is it with you and queers Casca? Had an uncle roll you over and put your face in the pillow when you were ten? Or was it your cell mate or the guy in the upper bunk at Camp What-the-fuck.? When will it dawn on you that when you insert (pardon the image) your sexual-orientation-fixation into political discussions it only serves to indicate which muscles you tighten when you think about Rep Foley doing some 15 year old.
You haven't even noticed that whatever I have said about the debacle in Iraq the last few years has been true and that every wish you have had about Iraq over the same period has been just that; the wish of a deluded 'merican. Gee, I guess that does make me queer and you? Just another ignorant, frightened, lie loving American true believer who thinks he should have a gun in his hand instead of his flaccid dick, sitting home on the 50 yd line, cheering the team on. You are pathetic. You don't have the courage of your convictions like that fellow from Sacramento who took the money but at least, you would say, went into the fray. Although for all we know he was transporting BP oil guys, making a payroll run to the local Mullah who was protecting their wells, thatÂ’ll make his kids happy some day. But you do have the courage to get angry at me for hanging out in your playground, which, of course ainÂ’t your playground, you presumptuous ass. You sit here tapping out what you think passes for smug commentary with he tips of your fingers and your ass firmly in the seat passing judgments, while 50-100 humans die each day, and you are musing about my ass, my dick, my mouth and my closet. What the fuck is wrong with you, man? You are one sick puppy Casca.
Now you can give your stupid one line retort.
Posted by: strawman at February 15, 2007 06:24 PM (9ySL4)
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This fool strawman must be a blonde; the inner woman is emerging.
Posted by: AntonioVdeLA at February 16, 2007 08:10 AM (SLFj+)
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Straw man
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
A straw man argument is a logical fallacy based on misrepresentation of an opponent's position. To "set up a straw man" or "set up a straw-man argument" is to create a position that is easy to refute, then attribute that position to the opponent. A straw-man argument can be a successful rhetorical technique (that is, it may succeed in persuading people) but it is in fact a misleading fallacy, because the opponent's actual argument has not been refuted.
Its name is derived from the practice of using straw men in combat training. In such training, a scarecrow is made in the image of the enemy with the single intent of attacking it.[1] It is occasionally called a straw dog fallacy[2] or a scarecrow argument.
Posted by: AntonioVdeLA at February 17, 2007 04:52 PM (SLFj+)
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Antonia,
And...........the point is.......other than demonstrating that you can read and type?
Posted by: strawman at February 18, 2007 11:03 AM (9ySL4)
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Antonio, take a cue from Casca and me; ignore the fucktard. Your post was apt, but all it does is encourage him to dialogue insipient crap.
Let it go.
Posted by: shelly at February 18, 2007 07:02 PM (SLFj+)
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Shelly,
I hope you had good clerks when you were sitting because a good education is clearly not in evidence when you use insipient (d.beginning to appear) to mean insipid. Not to mention that insipid means lacking flavor or zest. You were clearly a jellybean appointment. RR was insipid. Also, like Bush, he was a liar, (which is a character flaw you seem to admire) RR was also as puerile as GB (his open mic Â…let the bombing of MoscowÂ….) GeorgeÂ’s flight suit and Mission Accomplished stunt. RR sold weapons to Iran for cash to support murderous thugs in Central America. It is conceivable that the weapons sold to Iran are contributing currently to American deaths in the streets of Bagdad and will to a greater degree in the near future if the conflict escalates. You would be howling if the transfer of weapons to Iran was of Carter or Clintons doing?
Posted by: strawman at February 19, 2007 11:31 AM (9ySL4)
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Before you put stupid comments on Russian poetry on-line, you should better read the original before you judge the translation (or don't you speak Russian???), as common sense would call for.
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Surge Strategy
There's a reason why I haven't written whether I think the Surge Strategy will work or whether it's a good idea. I'm not an expert in any of the disciplines necessary for my opinion to have any value. In fact, most of my knowledge regarding the Iraq War comes from secondary sources, written by other people who are similarly ignorant,
i.e. the press.
The vast majority of reporters and columnists who write about Iraq and pretend to know what they're talking about are completely incompetent to do so. Not only is their journalism degree inadequate for the task (it's a glorified general ed degree) but their undisguised bias robs their output of any credibility. Yet, from my desk chair, I'm forced to rely on these people almost exclusively for my information. So, as a result, my opinions are just about as worthless.
That's why I'm taking a wait and see approach. I do consider myself an expert on another thing, though: I'm an expert on the domestic battlefield. This is why I have said over and over again that we must achieve success in Iraq quickly, because if Americans don't see progress soon, our next president will pull the plug on the whole noble enterprise.
So I was very encouraged when the President yanked the most recent generals in charge, good men though they might be, and replaced them with guys who understand the need for a change in strategy. Today is General Petraeus's first day on the job. His resume is impressive.* He's had success before.** I wish him and his new strategy well.
Australian Lt. Col. David Kilcullen is an advisor to Gen. Petraeus and an expert on counter-insurgency strategy. He's also a Duntroon grad and a veteran of East Timor. In this post at Small Wars Journal, Kilcullen outlines the two schools of thought regarding counter-insurgency.***
An illustrative anecdote:
In Timor in 1999 I worked closely with village elders in the border districts. I sat down with several of them one afternoon to discuss their perception of how the campaign was progressing, and they complained that the Australians weren't securing them in the fields and villages, that they felt unsafe because of the militia (the local term for cross-border guerrillas) and that we needed to do more to protect them. In actual fact, we were out in large numbers, securing the border against infiltration, patrolling by night, conducting 14 to 21-day patrols in the jungle to deny the militias a chance to build sanctuaries, and working in close in the villages to maintain popular support. There had not been a single successful attack by the insurgents on the population for more than two months. So, "objectively", they were secure. But -- and this is the critical point -- because our troops were sneaking around in the jungle and at night, staying out of the villagers' way and focusing on defeating enemy attempts to target the population, they did not see us about, and hence did not feel “subjectively” secure. This was exacerbated by the fact that they had just experienced a major psychological trauma (occupation, insurgency, mass destruction and international intervention) and as a society they needed time and support for a degree of "mental reconstruction". Based on their feedback (and that of lots of other meetings and observations) we changed our operational approach, became a bit more visible to the population and focused on giving them the feeling, as well as the reality, of safety. Once we did that, it was fine.
In other words, we had to shift from a more enemy-centric approach to a more population-centric approach to adjust to the developing situation. My personal lesson from this experience was that the correct approach is situation-dependent, and the situation changes over time. Therefore the key is to develop mechanisms that allow you to read the environment, to be agile and to adapt . . .
Adaptation is the key, and I'm glad to see that we're trying something new. I hope it works.
You can see how the above example illustrates the need for more troops and contact with the population. It's more than just switching to a zone defense from man-to-man. At least in the short run, our new strategy will provide the enemy with more opportunities to kill Americans. We're not going to like that here at home, and I have no illusions that the media will understand what's happening or that a different strategy is at work. The commanders in theater, and the President must realize that the home front will not cut them any slack and they have to get it right this time.
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* But so was McClellan's.
** But so did Hooker.
*** The comments are especially interesting.
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Posted by: shelly at February 10, 2007 12:04 PM (SLFj+)
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Annika,
Why should a lack of expertise stop you from commenting?It should qualify you to become Speaker of the House
Posted by: corwin at February 10, 2007 01:04 PM (fWdXB)
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But is visibility a good thing in Iraq?
I'm thinking of Saudi Arabia circa 1990, where the people may have been thankful for our protection, but they probably DIDN'T want to see us strutting around with our short sleeve shirts and our Bibles and our other infernal gear.
In the ideal world, Saddam would have been removed by a coalition of forces from Muslim countries. Of course, the post-Saddam outcome might have been the same; Palestine isn't quite the peaceful vacation spot just yet.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at February 10, 2007 02:32 PM (P8ktI)
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Nicely Done
I cannot understand the hysteria over the President wanting to move 2% of the troops from one location to another.
Posted by: Jake at February 10, 2007 03:21 PM (V6rxT)
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As always a good analysis of the situation.
My opinion of the problem is the GW has been doing all the heavy lifting with the Iraq problem. I'm kind of glad that the American people are reacting to this conflict dragging on as long as it has. Maybe it'll put some spine in the Iraqi leadership to consider that we might just leave them alone to deal with the consequences, or the US military to start using some imagination in their operations.
Also I was in the gym and digging through the pile of magazines and one was a Newsweek from like Jan 1, 2007. It had a great article on Denmark, Moslem's and the controversy's they've had to deal with. It was reported that there was so little conflict in Denmark that the Moslem's had to basically export the issue to get any attention.
Finally, where is the analysis on the real news... Anna Nichol Smith? This great American goes on to the "other side" and no opinion about it? Are you going to make me read the Drudge Report?
Drake
Posted by: Drake Steel at February 10, 2007 04:25 PM (m6MSU)
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Drake,
I met her in Tahoe during a 4th of July bash a few years back and - this may stun you - the girl was kinda dingy. To be fair, though, she was very nice and even talked to us non-star types. I remember thinking that despite being sort of heavy at the time she was a strikingly attractive woman in person.
Posted by: blu at February 10, 2007 04:41 PM (duPNB)
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Annika -- I wanted to point out Mudville Gazette's post on the Surge in case you haven't seen it. Even as close to the battlefield as we Army families are, I wasn't properly versed in what the Surge meant. I think it's been really glossed over and misrepresented in the places I've heard about it. Anyway, I was ignorant before I read this post, so I'm spreading the word. http://www.mudvillegazette.com/archives/007609.html
Posted by: Sarah at February 11, 2007 07:14 AM (BP8jf)
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Thaks so much Sarah, for that really informative link.
I, like most Bush supporters, have been wondering why he didn't explain the details a bit more. But this article makes it pretty clear what the "surge" means, and why it now makes a lot of sense to me.
I've just sent it to over 300 people who are, mostly, like minded. I hope that it gets wide circulation.
Posted by: shelly at February 11, 2007 08:32 AM (SLFj+)
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OK, I'm willing to bet that of all the candidates for President of the United States right now, there is only one who has read Petraeus' book on counter insurgency.
And he won't even be a candidate until September.
The next POTUS.
Can you say "President Gingrich"?
Posted by: shelly at February 11, 2007 06:01 PM (SLFj+)
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What about the Dixie Chicks and their surge strategy? I believe that the Dixie Chicks will bounce back, thanks to the political friends they know in high places that seem to have pulled a few strings for them prior to the Grammys, as I've noted in this song:
Playin' Politics (With the Dixie Chicks)
Dr BLT (c)2007
http://www.drblt.net/music/DixieChicks.mp3
Posted by: Dr BLT at February 16, 2007 12:44 PM (jgGlP)
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A brief note of sincere applause to Annika for (1) admitting that she is not informed in a certain subject and (2) refraining from commenting on it until she becomes more informed.
Anyone who has the humility to do
that consistently is light years ahead of 95% of the population.
I liked this too:
"Not only is their journalism degree inadequate for the task (it's a glorified general ed degree)"
AMEN!
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You Heard It Here First
I'm telling you, the secret's getting out. The latest
Gallup poll reveals:
In a head-to-head matchup against McCain in a Gallup poll of Republicans and Republican "leaners" taken Jan. 25-28, Giuliani beat the Arizona senator handily in most categories: better public speaker, more likable, better chance of beating the Democratic nominee, would run a more positive campaign, would perform better in debates, would do more to unite the country, would manage the country more effectively, would be better in a crisis, better understands the problems faced by ordinary Americans, and strength of leadership.
What did I just say?
The Monitor article from which I pulled that quote also says that Giuliani's approval ratings are at 62%. Sixty-two percent! That will change as the attack machine heats up. But I ask you, can anyone name another public figure with numbers over 60%? I can't think of one. That's unheard of in this age of hyper-negativity.
On the other hand, some analysts say that McCain's recent dip in polling is due to his more vocal support of the President's Surge plan. It's possible that not a lot of poll respondents knew Giuliani's position on the Iraq War is identical to McCain's. Or maybe they do, but they just trust Giuliani more.
That's my take. Even if I liked McCain, I would always favor a guy with executive experience over legislative experience. Theoretically, executives must work in the real world where results are expected. Therefore, they should be more results oriented. Legislators on the other hand, work in a world of theoretical projections, possibilities and imaginary outcomes. When they fuck up, they're rarely held to account because they simply blame the other party, the executive, or both.
[How can I quit blogging this summer when Campaign '08 is already so interesting?]
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For me it's a matter of trust. I know all of Rudy's warts. They have been on the front pages repeatedly. Ditto McCain's. I trust Mr. Mayor to be able to lead in a more honest manner than McCain. McCain has done too many things (campaign finance, gang of 14, Keating 5, for and against social security reform, etc). I would vote for him against Hillary or Obama or any other dem (except Lieberman) but in Rudy vs McCain it's not even close for me and I'm a rabid right wing nut.
Posted by: chris at February 07, 2007 04:51 PM (QZTLy)
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Just wait till the straight talk express starts flinging mud. Nobody does mean like the Senator from Arizona.
Posted by: kyle8 at February 07, 2007 06:57 PM (yB636)
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Don't count in it, Kyle. The R's are down to their last bastion right now; they need a win, and they know it. If BOTH are on the ticket, what happens then?
Well, there's your answer. I think they'll make nice in the end.
Think Kennedy-Johnson. Go back in time (I assume most of you don't remember, but can read about it)to 1960. Both Kennedy and Johnson appeared at a joint caucus of the Texas and Massachusetts delegations and Johnson vowed that he would NEVER accept the Vice Presidental nomination.
Twelve hours later, Bobby offered it, then withdrew the offer. Johnson was then begging for it and threatening what he'd do if he didn't get it.
One heartbeat away from the presidency, in this era ain't bad. Gore and Cheney changed that.
Posted by: shelly at February 08, 2007 04:21 AM (SLFj+)
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I'm completely anti-Rudy and anti-McCain. Rudy, while talking a good game, still comes out looking like a Chicago liberal when it comes to many of the rights of the people. His stance on personal ownership of firearms keeps tracking back to "display a need," "register," etc.
If the (R) throw up Rudy/McCain against Hillary, we will have the floor wiped with us. It will either result in a heavy (D) win, or an independent is going to end up capturing much of the south and mountain states, but not winning the election, giving us Hillary in the end.
Rudy seems to resemble British conservatives; he's all for surveillance, authoritarian law and order, etc.
McCain is a no-go for a ton of reasons; he's like the (R) version of Clinton. He will say whatever, to whomever, to ensure that MTV likes him and the MSM calls him a "loose cannon," a "rebel," etc.
Posted by: Jmarsh at February 08, 2007 07:40 AM (J0G4s)
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Rudy's got a lot of skeletons in his closet and much of them aren't known nationally. His negatives will start going up when they talk about his personal life, corruption and cronyism in the mayor's office, and his mistakes in the aftermath of 9/11.
Posted by: PoliticalCritic at February 08, 2007 09:29 AM (B9HSl)
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"his mistakes" after 9/11."
That stuff is already starting: I saw a wire story on the so-called "mistakes" yesterday. They also mentioned a book taking the same position. Koch was interviewed in the wire story and said that Rudy deserved all the positives he got after 9/11, but that NYC was over him on 9/10. In other words, 9/11 rejuvinated him as a politician.
So far, he hasn't taken many hits. You are right to say that it will start soon. We'll see if he can handle it.
JMarsh,
Please explain how the candidate with the highest negatives from either pary is going to "wipe the floor" with either McCain or Rudy, both of whom are fairly articulate and experienced men with solid GWOT credentials? I'm not saying either is the perfect Rep choice, but that Hillary has a ton of political problems to overcome. Suggesting she is going to wipe the floor with these two in a general election makes no political sense to me. Now if you were talking about somebody like Brownback, I'd probably agree.
Posted by: blu at February 08, 2007 09:57 AM (duPNB)
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Agree with Koch (and Blu). If September 11 hadn't occurred, Giuliani wouldn't even be running for dogcatcher today. I'm starting to hope for a Tancredo - Kucinich election; perhaps we'd have some discussion of issues.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at February 08, 2007 10:08 AM (YWsCw)
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I agree w/Blu on Rudy, NYers & 9/10.
As for a positive 60+ rating, only Obama & Rudy have them right now. However, Rudy's stuffed closet will eventually be opened. The dems are saving the salvos for when they can do the most damage.
A private poll that will be released this weekend, shows that in a contest between Obama & Hillary, it's Hillary that would win by a large margin. So a Hillary/Obama might be a possibility. However on the Rep's side its still too early to tell. A lot can happen in 18 months
Posted by: michele at February 08, 2007 10:43 AM (Po6a+)
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Blu,
I have been editing this to try to make this less gun-centric, but it's not working
. I'm not trying to get into a 2A debate, and hopefully what I'm getting at will be apparent.
There are a fair number of folks like me that have litmus tests for firearms. I think they're reasonable and simple: 1) No registration (other than the defacto form already in place with BATFE's form 4473) and 2) You don't need to display a need for a firearm, you can buy one just because, as guaranteed by the 2A.
They're articulate, and at least Rudy seems to generally believe he's doing the right thing, and he's got some convictions. No problems there, or with GWOT stances. But, there is something that looms larger, and that's freedom, as enumerated by the Constitution. Hillary wants to pillage my economic freedom, while Rudy would have no problems plastering millions of cameras throughout the US, a la the UK. Rudy seems very wedded to the anti-crime track, but there isn't a higher power (ie, the 2A) that he feels is important to respect. *That* is the problem. (McCain has issues with the 1A, among other things).
The basic problem we are faced with is, for instance, Hillary vs. Guiliani, maybe with a libertarian on the ballot. We've got Clinton/Dole/Perot all over again. I, and others, cannot vote for someone that is (insert your conservative litmus test of choice here) hostile to gun ownership as Rudy, even if it's to keep the human apocalypse that is Hillary out of office. Some surely will as the "lesser of two evils" strategy, of course. When a democrat (Richardson) has a friendlier approach to gun ownership than a republican, there is a serious problem.
Rudy and McCain have created negative groundswells throughout people that are pretty solidly (R) otherwise, via past documented action. How many of them will apply my version of the litmus test in 08? Don't know. But, there's not a lot of wiggle room to soften one's stance on gun control, for instance, when you've been quoted throughout your entire political career of note as solidly in one direction as he is.
Expanding a bit past gun control, I think the problem that many (R) will have is that they've taken what are traditionally democratic stances on too many issues recently. Supported medicare drug benefit? Got those. Supported McCain-Feingold? Check. Support amnesty for illegals? Yep. Trashed the GWOT/Iraq/WMD/etc? Yeah, those are (R) too. Agree with CEO pay "adjustment?" Check. Complained about oil profits? Those too. Supported continued ban of offshore drilling?
You see where I'm going? They're pretty indistinguishable from each other on "current events," which brings things like the support of second amendment that much more into the forefront. Frankly, Rudy, good virtuous man that he is, forces me to campaign against him (which I'm already actively doing).
Posted by: Jmarsh at February 08, 2007 04:08 PM (J0G4s)
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JMarsh,
Fair enough. Well articulated position. Thanks for taking the time to put it out there. In the end, we just have different priorities, which is why you have the primary and put those priorities out there for people to debate. My priorities are free market economics and the GWOT. The Reps are not always good on either, but generally they are much better than the Dems.
Posted by: blu at February 08, 2007 05:30 PM (duPNB)
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JMarsh gets at what I think the purpose of Libertarians and true Conservatives should be, which is anchoring the right flank of the political spectrum. Meaning there should be a solid anchor to our viewpoints and policies, which is well known and unchanging. There may be people who vary from that conservative position depending on the issue, but once "Conservatism" becomes a sliding scale, all is lost because there's nowhere to go but left. Ronald Reagan understood this when he proposed that we get rid of the Energy and Education Departments. George W. Bush does not understand this when he proposed and got DHS and Prescription Drug Entitlements. What the Libertarians get right (and thank God for them, because these days they're the only ones making the case) is that there is such a thing as a slippery slope and somebody has to put the brakes on.
Of course, you might ask, so how can you support Rudy. First, I didn't say I'd vote for him in a primary. I feel free to vote my conscience in all primaries, which is why I never vote for a pro-choice candidate in primaries. But when the general comes, It's always a lesser of two evils thing. I know enough about the political situation nowadays that I'm a realist. I want a Republican in the White House, and so I will vote for whoever gets the nomination, unless it's McCain. I like Rudy because he can win. In a perfect world, we could tolerate a moderate Republican president if he is counterbalanced by solid conservatives in Congress. Unfortunately, that is not the case today. But the alternative is a phony centrist Democrat like Clinton/Bomber and a bunch of whacked out communist political appointees sneaking into the beauracracy who'll take years to ferret out, and only after doing incredible damage (e.g. Jamie Gorelick). That's what really scares me about a Democrat in office. There are a million Amanda Marcottes chomping at the bit for a low level appointment and if/when the next Democrat administration comes along they are going to flock to D.C. and someone is going to find a spot for them.
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Well said JM. The jist of Reagan's charisma was his willingness to differentiate between who we are, and who THEY are. We wandered in the wilderness from the Depression until 1980 because the accomodationists ran the party. Rudy and the McCainiac are a return to the wilderness years. There is only one heir to Ronaldus Magnus, and we all know who he is, and whatever the CW is about him, they said worse things about Ronnie.
Posted by: Casca at February 08, 2007 07:54 PM (2gORp)
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I'm beginning to believe that none of the current Republican candidates can go the distance.
The true heir (according to Casca) has to be Newt. He says he'll run if his ideas are not being carried by some other candidate; a sure thing that he gets in when the others falter.
He led us to the biggest victories we've experienced since Reagan, and he can do it again, provided they get him a suit with no zipper.
But, what the Hell, it never affected Bubba, so let's all wait for Newt to come to the game.
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You may have sensed that I am a fan of Rudy Giuliani. While I haven't yet decided who I'm going to support, Rudy definitely makes the short list. And it's a very short list.
I've already done the math on him, and nobody has yet debunked my theory. In fact, I'm the only one I've ever heard talking about the New York factor.
In a nutshell, my theory is this: People say Rudy is vulnerable on social issues, meaning he won't win the Red States. But people forget that he has a serious shot at winning New York, even against Hillary. And if Rudy wins NY's 31 electoral votes, he can pretty much thumb his nose at the South and still win the presidency. And I say, if he wins NY, he'll probably get NJ, and possibly PA and CT, too. Let me tell you, that's a scenario that scares the hell out of a lot of people. That's why no one's talking about it.
Now that Rudy's all but announced, you're going to hear a lot of people repeating the same mantra: "He's too liberal to win the nomination." Don't you believe it. The media wants you to believe it, because they know how formidable he really is. They've seen the polling. The "three-G"* conservatives want you to believe it too, because Rudy gives them nightmares.
But before you give in to the anti-hype, read this article in City Journal, entitled "Yes, Rudy Giuliani Is a Conservative". You may not come away completely convinced, but at least you'll know he's not the antichrist, as some want you to believe.
He cleaned up New York when the rest of the world had written it off. Ask any New Yorker. Pre-Giuliani, you took your life into your hands walking in the park after dark, or just riding the subway. Broadway was a shithole. There used to be certain neighborhoods where nobody wanted to live, that are now impossible to afford. New York had a genuine Renaissance in the 1990's and it was thanks to Rudy Giuliani. New Yorkers won't forget this.
Of course Rudy led that Renaissance in the face of withering criticism from the left. He made enemies, and as his tenure was winding down, his enemies seemed to have gotten to him. The Diallo shooting didn't help, either. But then came 9/11, and people saw again that this man was a courageous, principled and born leader. Flawed yes, but that's only a reminder that he's human like all of us. Rudy's personal problems are not going to dissuade New Yorkers from supporting him. They voted overwhelmingly for Clinton too.
Don't forget also that Giuliani is an amazing speaker. He gave the best speech at the 2004 Republican Convention. His style is spontaneous, populist, and deceptively effective. While Zell Miller fired up the base and Schwarzenegger won over the pundits, Rudy's speech was the most articulate defense of the War on Terror that has ever been given to a national audience.
Giuliani has also positioned himself well, by staying out of the administration. To move forward, he will need to come up with an approach to the Iraq mess that navigates the gulf between his unequivocal support for the War and the subsequent truth that Bush and Company have fucked it all up. On that issue he may lose ground to McCain, who has also been unwavering in his belief the Iraq was the right thing to do, while at the same time he's never thought we were doing it right.
In a sense, all Republican candidates except for Hagel are hamstrung by the success or failure of the President's Surge plan. No pro-war Republican will be elected on a victory platform if victory isn't within sight. Mark my words, if the Surge fails to show progress within the next 12 months, we will have a Democratic president in 2009. I think McCain and Giuliani have the best chance of convincing independent voters to stay the course in Iraq, but ultimately I think they'd lose to a cut-and-run Democrat if we don't start winning soon.
Finally, back to Giuliani's social liberal weaknesses. To those who don't like Rudy because he's pro gay marriage, I say where have you been? Gay marriage is here. It's a reality. The only way to put that genie back in the bottle is by a Constitutional Amendment, and good luck with that one. Same goes for abortion, and I'm about as far to the right on the abortion issue as it is possible to be. Rudy does worry me about gun rights, but he made a good first step at winning my confidence two days ago when he said:
I think those are the kinds of justices I would appoint - Scalia, Alito and Roberts. If you can find anybody as good as that, you are very, very fortunate.
I'll keep watching. But as it stands now, Rudy should be the front-runner and I'm skeptical of any
polls that don't have him at or near the top. His opponents in both parties will be gunning for him now. Rudy's never been shy about fighting back, so it should be a very interesting campaign whatever happens.
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He's my first choice as well. I think you make a good defense of his positives, but I'm looking forward to hearing from those on the Right who oppose him as well as those on the Left. (Straw and I have had some pretty good debates whether he did more harm than good in NYC.) Regardless, he'll be formidable. Those who write him off are fooling themselves.
So, let the debate begin...
Posted by: blu at February 05, 2007 10:57 PM (duPNB)
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Oh gawd, shades of Dewey.
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Casca, please elaborate for those of us born in the latter part of the 20th century.
Not calling you ancient....I'm just sayin'.....
Posted by: blu at February 05, 2007 11:00 PM (duPNB)
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Unfortunately, Rudy has too many skeletons in his closet and a really crazy ex that's too willing to talk. The Dems will only be too glad to dredge it all out during a campaign, which will definitely hurt him making Rudy to not a viable candidate.
Posted by: michele at February 05, 2007 11:05 PM (vMvlg)
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Good gawd, you slithy little fuck, I don't remember Dewey. I am able to read history though. However, for those of you who are too lazy to do so. Dewey was a NY prosecutor who "cleaned up" NYC. He's most famous as the fellow in the headline held up by Truman in 1948 that read, "
DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN". Of course, that's not what happened.
Anni, you've been on campus too long. Rudy will have to say a lot of things to nail down the base. The party whores will be onboard early. If he hasn't got the base by September, Newt will be in the race, and will take it away from him. The lightweights notwithstanding, we've got a pretty good bench. The VP choice will be Ken Blackwell from Ohio. He's much cleaner than Osama Obama.
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One of the many reasons to vote for Rudy is his master smackdowns of the self-important leftist press. Douche Gregory, Terry Moran and that hideous, foul, decrepit, syphilitic snatch-breathed crone Helen Thomas are going to be smacked like pinatas!
Also, his longstanding beatdowns of that vile dike Rosie O’ Donuts made living here truly magnificent. He used to call her “pumpkin head” due to her size 12 empty, ugly squash.
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Casca's right; Dewey's image holding up the paper (I'm pretty sure it was the Chicago Tribune) saying that he won was premature; the votes came in for Truman late (Mayor Daley was still printing them at press time).
Newt's my guy so far; Rudy can win, but can he get the nomination?
I do remember that time, but vaguely. I remember sitting with Truman at a dinner for Jack Kennedy in Washington, D.C. in the early 60's and chatting a bit about the steel seizure cases (look 'em up, kiddies) and his feeling about the Dewey election. Also, his recognition of Israel in '48 was galactic.
He was one hell of a guy, even if he was a Democrat.
Posted by: shelly at February 06, 2007 07:03 AM (SLFj+)
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OK, Methusala, I know you've forgotten more than I'll ever know, but it was Truman holding up the Trib. Truman was the typical thug Democrat machine politician who had greatness thrust upon him. To be kind, he didn't understand the world. He shutdown the OSS leaving us blind going into the Cold War. Failed at shaping the post-war world, and created the scenario that got us knocked on our collective asses in Korea by gutting the military to spend the "peace dividend" after WWII. Few could have done worse. That he and Marshall are lionized is a tribute to American leftist media dominance from the Depression to the Reagan Revolution.
Posted by: Casca at February 06, 2007 07:34 AM (Y7t14)
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Your trackback thingy is not working, so this is in lieu of a trackback.
I like Rudy, and won’t be horribly disappointed if he becomes our next President — I definitely prefer him to Hillary/Obama/Edwards. Nor do I think he’s too “liberal” for our Party’s nomination. In fact, I think Rudy would be a nice move back towards the center on many issues.
But I won't vote for him nor support his campaign, as I have a set-in-stone principal where I won't cast a vote for POTUS for any man or woman has not served in our country's military.
If you want the power to send our young men and women into war, you damned well better had been willing to volunteer yourself.
As a crusty old veteran, that's just how I feel about it.
Posted by: Robbie at February 06, 2007 08:45 AM (foLp3)
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I heard the Giuliani speak on the step by step process he used to clean up New York and the corrupt bureaucracy that allowed it to happen. He had the guts to clear the Mafia out of the fish market and waste hauling when everyone said he would be a dead man if he tried. It was a very impressive speech about his miraculous accomplishments.
I could support Rudy.
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Damn, Casca, you are absolutely right. What was I thnking?
Posted by: shelly at February 06, 2007 09:43 AM (SLFj+)
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Who's this Robbie guy? I like the way he thinks. I was in the library last night, and saw a chicklette in blue coveralls wearing the rank of a Coast Guard Lt. Do they count? Not in my book. The inner Marine always takes over. I almost asked her WTF she was doing "in the ville" in a work uniform. But I come from the generation when the avaitors weren't allowed to wear their flightsuits through the gate.
Posted by: Casca at February 06, 2007 10:07 AM (Y7t14)
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"Dewey was a NY prosecutor who "cleaned up" NYC. He's most famous as the fellow in the headline held up by Truman in 1948 that read, "DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN". "
C'mon Casca. I expected something better than that - everybody has seen that fucking photo and knows the eventual outcome. BFD. I thought there was something in Dewey's political philosophy that you remember - having lived through it and all - that reminded you of Rudy. Instead, I get the usual profane, though humorous, bromide that shows you can use Wikipedia.
BTW, Newt? Really?! Any of you fucking dopes who think Newt has a snow ball's chance in hell of getting the nomination or winning really need to lay off the crack pipe. Newt is an opp researchers dream, whose negatives rival Hillary's. The man loves hearing himself talk and has left a paper/video trail that leaves him no chance at being anything but a talking head. Even suggesting Newt shows absolutely no understanding of modern day politics.
I love watching Newt on TV. He's smart and interesting. But he has zero chance of being President.
Right now, Rudy is the best choice because the only real alternatives are an egotistical old crank, who thinks the 1st amend is optional or an articulate Mormon, who seems to have a penchant for being on both sides of issues.
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And here we have a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
Posted by: Casca at February 06, 2007 12:32 PM (Y7t14)
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i should do a post with one line summaries of the two dozen or so candidates in the ring as of today.
my line on Newt would be something like: i like him, but forget it.
Posted by: annika at February 06, 2007 01:35 PM (zAOEU)
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I didn't think you could make a case for him, Casca.
Plagerizing famous quotes is funny though. Stick to that - cuz you are pretty funny...really - and leave the political analysis to the smart people.
Maybe, you can be the site Jester.
Anni, good take on Newt.
Posted by: blu at February 06, 2007 02:58 PM (duPNB)
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My but you're petulant today. Ah, but that's you everyday. My reason for not responding to your screed is that only a fool argues with a jackass. This you do daily. I shall not partake.
I'm sure that you're very smot, at least compared to the others on the short bus, but attribution isn't required when quoting Shakespeare in this instance, ya stupid fuck. Now educate me some more.
Posted by: Casca at February 06, 2007 03:49 PM (2gORp)
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I can't help it...it's too easy. I don't mind ya taking cheap shots at Straw and Will, but I'm not your bitch so no freebies, Grandpa. You get friskie with me, I beat you down just like the Lefties. Besides, I just want you to make a case for your opinion. I don't mind having my mind changed by good thinking. Wasn'tlooking for an argument -just a friendly exchange of ideas.
If you prick us do we not bleed? If you tickle us do we not laugh? If you poison us do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
Posted by: blu at February 06, 2007 04:02 PM (duPNB)
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Blu,
Maybe tomorrow I will find time to laugh about Rudy. Right now I am finishing up a late night and delivering a Prada display to Macy's for a 9pm til 6am set-up. He is not, as I have said before, presidential material. Haivng the UN nearby does not give him foreign policy cred. From afar much about him may be appealing to you law and order types who munch on the constitution when the going gets tough, and his couple of heartfelt moments at ground zero were, like anytime a polition is moved to being real, glimses of a part of his character that he never shows and actually seems to abhor in himself.
Later.
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Cold Blast Pushes Global Warming Off The Front Page
The words "Global" and "Warming" were conspicuously absent from tonight's NBC Nightly News, I'm here to tell you.
The good news, if there is any, about what's being called the Midwest Cold Blast, or alternately, the Cold Snap, is that we won't be lectured about Global Warming again for at least another week.
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There continue to be news articles about Global Warming, so I don't see your connection. Only the lowest IQs would think a cold snap might somehow reduce the likelihood of continued GW. But this kind of response is what you were looking for, eh cheri? Any comments on Chirac's latest drive?
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Looks like you're being setup for failure.
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I live in the
Soviet Union.
For the record, I stopped using incandescent bulbs years ago. In my case, the free market worked. But what about photographers, who can't use flourescent bulbs? Does every single thing in the universe need to be legislated?
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This gets back to the subject of global warming, as well as what kind of electricity generation facilities to avoid constructing (i.e., coal). Could be a long comment thread...
There is a 'free market' in the sense that you could live in other states that are more in line with your particular mix of principles. I don't see massive changes in the way California does business wrt favoring conservative Republican agenda items. Which states have the stances that conform to your ideal principle set? Texas, Nevada, Idaho, ....?
Posted by: will at February 01, 2007 07:43 AM (GzvlQ)
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Yes, she could always move, but that avoids the original question: does every single thing have to be legislated?
If these new bulbs were so cheap and minimized polution so much, then the average consumer would eventually choose to purchase that bulb. (I thought Cali was so "pro-choice.") Why does it have to come down by fiat from the state capital?
Posted by: Mark at February 01, 2007 08:51 AM (2MrBP)
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When you fuck with the foundations of democracy, this is what you end up with. SCOTUS shredded the constitution for the last half of the 20th Century, and now we have no constitutional protection from any type of nitwittery. And the fucktards bleat about the Patriot Act.
Posted by: Casca at February 01, 2007 09:11 AM (Y7t14)
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I don't necessarily see the right to pollute without bounds as one of the foundations of democracy. There are a number of energy efficiency standards that are Federal and State law, so at least a smattering of precedence has been set.
Yes, we could argue whether this is right or not, but does anyone see California reversing direction dramatically towards a conservative republican agenda? Others might, I don't. So one has the choice to stay and beat their head on a wall, or to go where one's own reside and realize their utopia. On the same vein (at the extreme other end of the spectrum), those who like communism can go to Cuba or North Korea.
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The decision about whether to live in a 4000 sq ft house or a 20000 sq ft house has far more impact on energy use than does the decision to use CFL or incandescent lightbulbs. So does the decision to set the summer thermostat at 68 degrees instead of 75 degrees, or to live 40 miles from work instead of 1 mile from work. Does Levine want to legislate these things as well?
The first instinct of modern bureaucratic liberalism, in virtually every situation, seem to be to call for the police.
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Does every single thing have to be legislated is a pretty silly statement and leads to a discussion about something other than the real topic which is, I think, is the ways electricity should be conserved.
If you think the savings are significant (undeniable) in terms of watts and that the CO2 is significant(some still deny) to produce those watts and that the public is too phlegmatic or cheap to buy (or simply screw them in if they are being given away)the energy saving bulbs then what is the problem of the legislature imposing insentives, rules and regulations? Does the ocean have to breach the sea walls of the Hudson river for you think the gov should act?
I wouldn't worry about photographers and I don't think a black market in incandescent bulbs will develop either.
Oh, Mark, tell me about the free market in electricity and how that has benefitted the consumer.
Posted by: strawman at February 01, 2007 09:46 AM (9ySL4)
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Straw,
It is not up to capitalists to "prove" the free market works: We've already done that - the debate is over. You guys lost (after killing a few hundred million.) But perhaps you missed the last century of economic and intellectual history. You socialist neanderthals need to demonstrate how centralizing the means of production improves the lives of a country's citizens.
BTW, Straw, you freedom lover you, how soon will it be before your hero, Mr. Chavez, starts killing his political opponents? You'll be cheering him on no doubt. (We know how much you like to celebrate the deaths of those who support freedom.)
Will, as usual, you've managed to write a lot and say absolutely nothing of value. I'm sure, though, that you were absolutely smitten by your own writing. Smug, arrogant liberals - people like you - think the rest of us are too stupid to make our own decisions. Most of the people on this site love freedom, democracy, and, more importantly, capitalism, and believe citizens are perfectly able to make their own choices. When you first read The Republic, Will, I'm willing to bet you thought you'd make an amazing philosopher-king. I doubt the cave analogy had any impact on you.
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Blu wrote:
> Will, as usual, you've managed to write a lot and say absolutely nothing of value. I'm sure, though, that you were absolutely smitten by your own writing. Smug, arrogant liberals - people like you
Blu, too frequently lately you've gone from debating the points to attacking the messenger. That may sometimes work in court or with some blog readerships, but that points to the realization that you have no real contribution or response to the subject at hand.
You label me as a liberal, but I espouse many points that conservatives (and moderate) republicans espouse as well. I also choose those points that I agree with liberals on. You choose to use one brush to paint me, and I'm afraid you continue to push the same false dichotomy over and over. Is Bush a liberal? Are Republican Senators and Congressmen calling for renewable energy programs and other measures to reduce our dependence on foreign oil liberal? Are energy efficiency standards inherently liberal? All this light bulb regulation really represents is an energy efficiency standard, nothing else.
> The decision about whether to live in a 4000 sq ft house or a 20000 sq ft house has far more impact on energy use than does the decision to use CFL or incandescent lightbulbs.
Granted, but a 20,000 sf house full of incandescants will use much more energy than a the same size house full of CFL, so there is still energy savings realized.
> So does the decision to set the summer thermostat at 68 degrees instead of 75 degrees,
During the oil crisis, Americans were instructed to set their heat at 65F and their A/C at 80F. California is still at threat from rolling blackouts, so they are taking measures to reduce risk to the population. I realize libertarians would prefer that everyone do that on their own, but conserving in such a manner runs headon into Jevons paradox.
> or to live 40 miles from work instead of 1 mile from work.
Municipalities have the right to zone according to comprehensive planning. Libertarians also seem to despise this, though would recoil from the thought of a radioactive (or otherwise) dumpsite moving in nextdoor. Sprawl is an unfortunate consequence of market based land use 'planning'. Transportation planning that enables sprawl is just as bad, as witnessed by the deals that Hastert rigged to benefit from a land speculation he arranged to be serviced by a new highway.
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Blu,
Saying the debate is over does not end the discussion. Nor does the failure of the Soviet Union end the discussion of whether people can live better lives under Capitalism or some variant. To call American capitalism the be all and end all of what humnas should aspire to is childish. As is forcasting what I will think about the murders Hugo Chavez may commit in the future or any of the dozens of Straw men you insert into my mouth. (And no,RR that is not an admission that I can suck myself off. I saw the tape of how well you do it but it has not prompted me to hire a trainer to achieve a more limber back.)
Blu, if you want to takl about something I said rather than something you think I believe drop me a line. Not grieving for a fellow that died as a mercenary in Iraq does not mean I don't love freedom is again, selfserving drivel. To attribute to me a love of Stalin and his methods is, well I hate to be repetative, the drivel of a man who wishes to avoid the real issues and fight about the ones not on the table.
A paragraph I wrote a few weeks ago directed toward you was ignored. The one about the incredible diversity of stupid, unproven, completely false, hurtful and just plain dumb, beliefs held most Americans and probably Europeans as well. I wish you would talk about that in the context of your confidence that American consumers are to be relied upon to act in their best intersts as well as the best interests of the society.
Posted by: strawman at February 01, 2007 12:54 PM (9ySL4)
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Straw, the energy crisis in California was not due to deregulation but to price controls. When a company cannot pass on its costs to consumers, a shortage will result. (And it did.)
This is basic economics, an area in which most liberals are painfully illiterate.
Posted by: Mark at February 01, 2007 02:22 PM (2MrBP)
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There was an extensive discussion of CFLs over at Asymmetrical Information (www.janegalt.net) a couple of weeks ago. Lots of people just don't like the light from these things (and there are big differences in light quality among manufacturers, too)
Do liberals really want to establish such tight controls over people that a minor personal preference like light quality can't even be exercised?
Note that in today's market environment, manufacturers are strongly incentivized to improve the light quality of these things. If it were edicted that everyone *must* by CFLs, then the incentive goes away.
To which I guess the response of liberals would probably be another government edict, ordering the companies to improve the light quality.
Posted by: david foster at February 01, 2007 02:23 PM (/Z304)
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"about the murders Hugo Chavez may commit in the future"
Oh, don't worry, Straw, your hero will start killing soon. (He wants to carry on Castro's vision of the Good State, which, of course, means killing your opponents. Gotta break a few eggs and all that jazz.) When myself and others predicated some time ago that Chavez would seek a dictatorship, I was 100% confident in my prediction. We now know that is exactly what he is doing. I am equally confident in this prediction. As Hayek taught us decades ago, communism inevitably leads to totalitarianism and all its by-products. You people refuse to learn from history. Why is that, Straw? Ignorance or just a childish stubborness?
p.s. Hey Will...you really want to talk about a real contribution? Really? You? Sir, you jabber, and copy, and paste but rarely enlighten. In this particular case, you didn't even address Annie's point, which comes down to one's fundamental beliefs about the relationship between a citizen and his government. I'd love - just once - to see you tackle of larger philosophical issue without resorting to your typical cut and paste from whatever source you are plagerizing on a particular day.
Posted by: blu at February 01, 2007 02:38 PM (duPNB)
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Mark,
Would you care to introduce us to the value of Enron's contribution to the power shortage in CA.
WOuld you care to enlighten me as to how, regardless of high the cost of a barrel of oil became, (and presumed margins should have dropped and consumption fallen off as the price increased to drivers) Exon has managed to have its best year ever in 2006 topping its previous best year ever in 2005?
Free markets are a myth Mark. Did you have a choice as to what gas to buy during the run up in prices prior to the election and then the price down turn as oil companies tried to take high gas prices off the table as a Democratic talking point? Was there ever more than a 3cent/gal spread available to you? You pray to the god of Free markets without ever looking at the market place.
I read the other day where surgical pin and screw companies give shares of their companies to orthopedic surgeons so that they specify their products. A bag on stainless nuts, bolts, plates etc for a disk fusing costs $7900.00 for less half a pound of Stainless steel. ANd what does the company do? Nothing but buy the products from an OEM supplier and mark it up. The whole business model is based on "owning" the surgeons. What if the govt. didn't force the doctors to disclose their involvement with the mfgr of the hardware? Something that was just this year put into effect.
Another example of a free markets, eh, Mark? Oh, wait, I forgot your mantra, "just go to another doctor if you don't like the price" leave the fellow that has been treating you for 5 years, has cadged your confidence and your x-rays. Just like that you should start talking price and if he refuses go to a stranger and start negotiating with him about your back surgery. Oh, I forgot, you gotta tell me who is wheeling you around in your hospital bed to these doctors and pumping your morphine drip.
Yup, that's what I call free markets regulating pricing. Markets are closed and collusion is the norm and every time the govt. makes noise about opening things up the lobbyists hit the hill and the republicans stick out their paws and roll on their backs. Dem as well just not with such predictability or in such numbers.
Posted by: strawman at February 01, 2007 05:26 PM (9ySL4)
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Guys, just ignore the fucktard.
He'll get tired of talking to himself and just go away.
You can lead a horse's ass to logic but you can't make him think.
Posted by: shelly at February 01, 2007 09:50 PM (SLFj+)
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blu wrote:
> Sir, you jabber, and copy, and paste but rarely enlighten.
Still unable to debate the issue at hand, blu is left with only an ad hominem attack. If the reader looks at my previous message, they will see that there are no instances of copy and paste. If I debate a scientific point, I will certainly reference sources, instead of just spouting off the top of my head as blu believes people should do. This wasn't a scientific point this time, so I addressed the issue from an energy perspective related to rolling blackouts and pollution. Blu has yet to even mention these subjects, much less establish a position.
blu, if you want to debate the topic, then do so. If you have no defensible position, grasping at ad hominem only reflects badly on you.
If you believe that Governments have absolutely no right to regulate, have fun at a city or suburb with no stoplights, stop signs, line markings on streets, or municipal streets, for that matter. I'm waiting for a Libertarian Utopia to appear somewhere; it would be quite an amusing spectacle. Oh, wait, there
have been some
Freemen compounds...
Posted by: will at February 02, 2007 05:27 AM (GzvlQ)
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Will,
See Shelley's comments above in reference to another lunatic - to be fair, though, Straw is an infinitely more interesting and original lunatic. And, unlike you, I seriously doubt he considers himself a demigod or an authority on all things/
You see Will, Shelley's comments reflect how most people here deal with you. I may start testing his theory. Still, it's really fun watching your ego go into high gear. It'd be a fun exercise to find all the posts in which you've commented and then see how often you insist on getting the last word. Were you an only child, Will? Or maybe you got your ass kicked a lot growing up and found in the internet the one place you could go and actually get the last word without getting pounded into submission?
Ahhh, who knows? Who cares really? Let's just see if you can manage not to respond.....for once.
I'm betting not. The hubris runs deep in this one...
Posted by: blu at February 02, 2007 08:55 AM (duPNB)
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As expected, blu refuses to debate the issue and continues ad nausem his ad hominem. Come back, blu, when you have the fortitude to defend your beliefs with more than just hot air and avoidance.
And for your (sadly lacking pop psychologist) information, I am a middle child and was big for my age growing up.
> Let's just see if you can manage not to respond
A humorous but inherently meaningless line in the sand.
> I seriously doubt he considers himself a demigod or an authority on all things
And you show humility and peer-respect with your opinions you choose to spout off the top of your mind? Gawd, what gall you have!
> Straw is an infinitely more interesting and original lunatic
Then why do you even bother responding? Let's see if you are conflicted enough to respond to this. I'm betting not. The hubris runs deep in this one...
Posted by: will at February 02, 2007 10:11 AM (GzvlQ)
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Will,
Blu is too busy chasing visions of Communist dictators dancing around in his paranoid fantasies. Blu, did you have a grandparent in the Gulags? Or aristicratic St Petersberg relatives that lost their palace and serfs? He can't get over the fact that Hugo Chavez may become the Castro of Ven., (the poor will get health care, education, pre-natal care, and living wages) and kill a few people in the process yet Blu's agony over GB killing 100,000 in Iraq to institute America's capitalistic tyranny is just fine.
Posted by: strawman at February 02, 2007 12:14 PM (9ySL4)
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Straw,
You never let me down. Sure, you're a raving lunatic and a lover of totalitarianism, but at least you are amusing and not afraid to admit who you are.
Rock on, Comrade!!!
Posted by: blu at February 02, 2007 12:36 PM (j8oa6)
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STRAWMAN IS RIGHT!
C(R)APITALISM SUCKS!
the only way you are going to get peace is to tear apart the military industrial complex. Capitalism has to go! All social services must be paid for and provided by the government, free for everyone. That includes schools, health care, food, clothing, housing and
ALL liesure. We need to stop building and start eliminating suburbs, recliam the once pristine land, and start building free apartment complexes in the cities. We demand the end of private restaurants, and demand public cafeterias
NOT run by corporations. We need to stop the spread of shopping malls, and start giving out standard and uniform clothing for free for everyone. Corporations and private industry are evil! They corrupt everything.
SOCIALISM RULES!
SOCIALISM OR DEATH!
Posted by: true patriot at February 02, 2007 10:07 PM (pITRL)
Posted by: shelly at February 02, 2007 11:17 PM (SLFj+)
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Actually, many of the lifestyle changes TP mentions will likely come to pass for reasons other than changes in style of government;
http://youtube.com/watch?v=4IwtAQzrfiw
Matthew Simmons is Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Simmons &
Company International, a specialized energy investment banking firm. The
firm has completed approximately 600 investment banking projects for its
worldwide energy clients at a combined dollar value in excess of $65
billion.
Following the 1973 Oil Shock, Simmons decided to create a Houston-based
firm to concentrate on providing highest quality investment banking
advice to the worldwide oil service industry. Over time, the
specialization expanded into investment banking covering all aspects of
the global energy industry.
Today the firm has approximately 145 employees and enjoys a leading role
as one of the largest energy investment banking groups in the world. Its
offices are in Houston, Texas; London, England; Boston, Massachusetts
and Aberdeen, Scotland.
Mr. Simmons also serves on the Board of DeanÂ’s Advisors of Harvard
Business School and is a past President of the Harvard Business School
Alumni Association and a former member of the Visiting Committee of
Harvard Business School. He is a member of the Council on Foreign
Relations and The Atlantic Council of the United States.
Mr. SimmonsÂ’ recently published book "Twilight in the Desert: The Coming
Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy" has been listed on the Wall
Street JournalÂ’s best-seller list. He has also published numerous energy
papers for industry journals and is a frequent speaker at government
forums, energy symposiums and in board rooms of many leading energy
companies around the world.
Posted by: will at February 03, 2007 05:21 AM (h7Ciu)
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Me thinks TP is joking. In fact I'm sure. Blu could have done no worse attempting the paradoxical approach. It is an approach to an argument but it is lame and only serves to reinforce why Strawman is my nome de blog. NOBODY with an IQ as low as Shelly's could believe that Socialism of the ilk described by TP is what anybody wants. However,a health care system that eliminates care for profit might be something to look fwd to and unisex one-piece raw linen jump suits might be nice but all the rest is just silly.
Posted by: strawman at February 03, 2007 12:09 PM (9ySL4)
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TP, does that include blowjobs?
Posted by: Casca at February 03, 2007 08:21 PM (2gORp)
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If it does, and "All your babes are us" as well, count me in...
But, only if we can get rid of all the bleeding pinko fucktards that haunt our intelligent exchange of ideas and thoughts.
Posted by: shelly at February 03, 2007 09:51 PM (SLFj+)
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Once I read "free markets are a myth" I stopped reading. Anyone who makes such a claim is just unreachable, and life is too short to spend time educating people on the basics.
Posted by: Mark at February 03, 2007 09:52 PM (i5Khe)
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What a shock - powers to be make sure the facist red state team wins the "Super" Bowl!
Posted by: true patriot at February 05, 2007 10:01 AM (yIFzt)
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Mark,
For every working "free market" you can show me, and I don't doubt there are many, I'll show you one that is either gov't regulated or gov't protected with subsidies or price controls or is completely influenced by price fixing, cronyism, or just general monopolistic practices that the FTC has allowed i.e. ownership of TV stations and radio stations and news papers in one market.
Shelly the last important, intelligent conversation you had was a silent, internal dialogue that involved a pair of lactating nipples staring you in the face. Right, Left, Right, Left, better go Right, it looks a little bigger. Set you for life.
Posted by: strawman at February 05, 2007 10:28 AM (9ySL4)
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"FTC has allowed i.e. ownership of TV stations and radio stations and news papers in one market."
Yeah, I really feel like I have hardly any media choices availabe to me. PUUUUH-LEEESE. C'mon, Straw. That the best ya got?
Posted by: blu at February 05, 2007 11:16 PM (duPNB)
Posted by: Radical Redneck at February 06, 2007 12:22 AM (UoESY)
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Blu,
We don't use people like you as examples for how one might cicumvent the strangle hold on information that the MSM has in dozens of markets. Tha't a compliment, fella. Most Americans, angel loving, god frearing, radiation adverse, spoon bending believers don't look past the simple sources. Local news, local paper and the radio. Rupert may own every one that many Americans ever see. This is not a recipe for a cooking up a good thoughtfull well informed voting public. Why did 60-70 % of American's believe that Iraq had a hand in 911? Becasuse the MSM had the LSS Chainey saying it everyday without a rebutal. So Blu, I beg to differ: The control of the media is very imoportant and a very good example of how a democracy like ours protects itself from close examination and by degree embraces totalitarianism as a survival tool.
Posted by: strawman at February 06, 2007 08:39 AM (9ySL4)
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January 28, 2007
Hillary Said
While campaigning in Iowa today,
Hillary said:
The president has said [the Iraq War] is going to be left to his successor. . . . I think it's the height of irresponsibility and I really resent it. . . . This was his decision to go to war, he went with an ill-conceived plan, an incompetently executed strategy and we should expect him to extricate our country from this before he leaves office.
It sounds as though she doesn't feel she's up to the task. One might add that Bush should resent her husband for having left Osama Bin Laden to deal with.
But in a way, I do agree with Hillary's statement, at least as far as the poorly executed strategy goes. We should expect President Bush to extricate our country from the Iraq War before he leaves office. My only qualification is that we should leave through the "victory" door, not the "abandonment" door the Democrats keep pushing us towards.
Finally, despite all the talk about the new "Rules of Engagement," I'm sick and tired of hearing about shit like this. Keep your ears open for more stories about the ROE's and whether or not they really have changed (I'm skeptical). That will tell you whether our leaders are serious about winning or whether they're just playing out the clock for Hillary.
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Annika,
I think it must be very upsetting for a GI to be mortared and to hear that his ability to retaliate is hamstung by ROE. I wonder however about the leap he makes to "if we really wanted to we could win this pretty quick" from aome difuse and possibly apocraphal storise about our forces being held back because of collateral damage.
Just an observation.
I think, Annie the Victory Door is nowhere to be found. You can not kill the opposition becasuse it is pervasive and the Iraqi army will never stand up.
Posted by: strawman at January 28, 2007 05:15 PM (9ySL4)
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STFU and begone fucktard. It's a subject you know NOTHING about.
It is unforgiveable that we're not firing counter battery fire on these mortar harrassment attacks. Then again, I've seen some predator video of us stalking these guys, and whacking them, which is the delicate way to do it.
Posted by: Casca at January 28, 2007 11:47 PM (2gORp)
Posted by: The Truth at January 29, 2007 12:11 AM (0cQsl)
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I wonder if the 250 insurgents that were stalked and sent to Allah yesterday know that we aren't fighting back.
Perhaps the unthinking assholes who occasionally frequent this blog can explain to them that we don't know what we are doing.
The little fucker in black is now suing for peace; I hope he meets it at the end of a small Tomahawk.
Posted by: shelly at January 29, 2007 03:31 AM (SLFj+)
Posted by: Casca at January 29, 2007 07:50 AM (Y7t14)
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Perfect example of why these ROEs are stupid. When we were in Somalia we were there with the French Foreign Legion. They would do their patrols, we would do ours. People would throw rocks and take pot shots at you while you were on patrol. The Legion got sick of this and for around a week they patrolled with loud speakers saying that if it kept up they were going to fire back. The next week a crowd of about 200 threw rocks and popped of some rounds, the Legion patrol opened up on the entire crowd with a machine gun mounted on a vehicle. I have no idea how many they killed but as far as I know no one ever threw rocks at a Legion patrol after that.
Due to our ROEs people still took pot shots at our patrols and threw rocks at us.
Our Sgt liked the Legion so much from what he observed he joined when he got out of the Corps. I often wonder whatever became of him and if he was happy with his decision but that is beside the point.
Being hamstrung by stupid ROEs is exactly what I hated so much about the little brush fire wars under Clinton and I think it's stupid we persist with them during the Bush administration as well.
Posted by: Andy at January 29, 2007 08:30 AM (zGJwm)
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What if FDR had not been able to run for a 4th term in 1944? Would Dewey had said "The war is going to be left to his successor, and I really resent it"?
Hillary Clinton has the soul of a petulant child.
Posted by: david foster at January 29, 2007 08:59 AM (/Z304)
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Interesting that the "new" strategy has not been publicized. Probably for a very good reason. I think that Petraeus has his marchng orders and that they read something like "Do what it takes to put down the insurgency". He wrote the book, remember.
So far, they have announced that there are no safe places to hide; as soon as they take out a couple of mosques, the militias will disappear, as they have no place to hide except to lay down their arms and try to wait until we are gone.
Then we will have a chance to stand up a real force that can keep them at home.
But they need to kill that little fucker in black.
Posted by: shelly at January 29, 2007 08:59 AM (SLFj+)
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I didn't know Hillary wore black.
Posted by: MarkD at January 29, 2007 01:08 PM (5vbH6)
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Are you kidding? A black belt dominatrix like her not wear black?
But, that's not the little fucker I was talking about. He's in Baghdad or Sadr City or Fallujah.
If we level them all, we're bound to get him.
Posted by: shelly at January 29, 2007 02:52 PM (SLFj+)
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Bridge on the River Kwai is one of my all time favorite movies. Leave out the David Lean direction, the story is a classic, Hamlet in WWII Burma. It's all summed up in the question to the young Canadian Lt Joyce, "Can you kill a man with a knife?" Joyce was unsure. It was the wrong answer, but they didn't have a lot of personnel options.
Ultimately, it's a story of the struggle between romanticism, and realism. The Colonel willing to die for the ideals of soldierly virtue, and Holden willing to do anything to survive, including digging graves so he could rob the dead. You know at the end, that he'll do what needs to be done. He'll swim the river, and use the knife. Even the romantic ultimately comes to the point where he has to deal with reality; the Colonel's dying realization, "My God, what have I done?", as he falls upon the hellbox, destroying his creation.
We live in a society where the romantics are in full rut, since they perceive no consequence for their madness. The rest of us have to be prepared to use the knife.
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January 26, 2007
Yet Another Bogus Study Being Trumpeted By The Anti-American Media
You may have heard recently that the United States is the
world's unfriendliest nation for international travellers. I'm calling bullshit on this bogus study.
The United States is the world's most unfriendly country for international travellers, a survey suggests.
The global survey showed the US was ranked "the worst" because of rude immigration officials and long delays in processing visas.
More than half of the travellers surveyed said US immigration officials were rude and two-thirds said they feared they would be detained on arriving in the US for a simple mistake in their paper work or for saying the wrong thing to an immigration official.
Twice the percentage of travellers nominated the US as unfriendly, compared with the Middle East and the Asian subcontinent.
The survey, of 2,011 international travellers in 16 countries, was conducted by the polling firm RT Strategies for the Discover America Partnership, a business-backed group launched in September to promote travel to the US and improve the country's image abroad.
"The entry process has created a climate of fear and frustration that is keeping foreign visitors away," said Geoff Freeman, executive director of the Discover America Partnership.
"The survey shows there is more fear of our immigration officials than of terrorism or crime."
What is the premise of the survey's results? That travellers to the United States encounter more unpleasantness than in any other country in the world.
Complete bullshit.
Just look at the U.S. State Department's travel advisory for Saudi Arabia, just to pull one example of a worse country from the many that come to mind.
American citizens who choose to visit or remain in Saudi Arabia despite this Travel Warning are strongly urged to avoid staying in hotels or housing compounds that do not apply stringent security measures including, but not limited to, the presence of an armed guard force . . .
Not just a security guard, but an armed guard
force!. . . inspection of all vehicles, and a hardened security perimeter to prevent unauthorized vehicles from approaching the facility. American citizens are further advised to exercise caution and maintain good situational awareness when visiting commercial establishments frequented by Westerners or in primarily Western environments. Keep a low profile, varying times and routes for all required travel, and ensure that travel documents and visas are valid. American citizens are also advised to exercise caution while driving, entering or exiting vehicles.
And that's not just paranoid advice from a xenophobic American agency. If you want to talk about unfriendly to tourists, here's some advice from Saudi Arabia's own government website:
Important Instructions:
If a woman is arriving in the Kingdom alone, the sponsor or her husband must receive her at the airport.
Every woman must have confirmed accommodation for the duration of her stay in the Kingdom.
A woman is not allowed to drive a car and can therefore travel by car only if she is accompanied by her husband, a male relative, or a driver.
All visitors to the Kingdom must have a return ticket.
Here's more anecdotal info about the hassles one may encounter in the Saudi Kingdom, from the
Lonely Planet's website:
There are NO visitor visas. It's not even possible to have a Saudi sponsor apply for the visa on my behalf. Visitors can ONLY visit to work, or for a religious visit.
Speaking of religious visits, people who do this who are muslims, can ONLY visit Mecca and Medina, and that's it. Travel to other Saudi cities is not allowed.
Anon, Canada (Mar 03)
One thing Anon from Canada didn't mention is that
only those of the Islamic faith are allowed to set foot in Mecca or Medina. The rest of us are unclean or something, I guess. Not that I have any desire to get trampled to death in their crappy holy city anyway.
Back to the Lonely Planet:
WOMEN: We wear the abeyya so we get left alone. But even this doesn't work. We get stared at constantly and sometimes things are said. More so now after the September 11 disaster. I have never been barred from any establishment or had to leave because of prayer. Stealing wallets or purses out of expats handbags or backpacks as they walk around is common. We are not allowed to use the public transport.
PHOTOGRAPHY: Sure, film and cameras are everywhere. But, go and try to do a shoot around Jeddah. You will stop traffic, draw untold attention to yourself and if you are really lucky, the police will stop you and then the Matawwa [Saudi religious police] maybe will turn up which is what happened to me. You cannot take photos of people, any Palace or any government building. Now, as all three are everywhere, photography is difficult and not a delight.
. . .
MATAWWA: If they are around, they will ask all women to cover their hair and generally have the police with them, so this is enforced. I have friends who did not have their scarf with them one night in Balad and the Matawwa made them go to a shop, buy one and put it on while they waited outside until the girls did. Jeddah is not as strict as Riyadh.
Alanna Lee, Saudi Arabia (Jan 02)
It gets worse. Here's what the
British Embassy in Riyadh says about travel to Saudi Arabia.
Saudi Arabia is a Muslim country in which Islamic law is strictly enforced.
The public practice of any form of religion other than Islam, or proselytising, is not permitted.
Islamic codes of behaviour and dress are also enforced rigorously. You should respect them fully.
Homosexual behaviour and adultery are illegal and can carry the death penalty.
The penalties for the possession of, or trade in, alcohol are severe. Both result in prison sentences. The punishment for importing drugs includes the death penalty. You should not arrive in Saudi Arabia under the influence of alcohol: the consequences could be serious. You should carry with you a doctorÂ’s prescription for any medication you have with you. The importation of pork products is also forbidden.
While the Saudi authorities say they accept the private practice of religious other than Islam, religious books (apart from the QuÂ’ran) and artefacts imported for personal use may be confiscated. Also, importing larger quantities can carry severe penalties as it will be viewed that it is your intention to convert (proselytise) others.
The possession of pornographic material, or of illustrations of scantily dressed people, especially women, is prohibited.
The Saudi legal system differs in many ways from the UK. Suspects can be held without charge and those detained have in the past not been allowed legal representation. The Saudi authorities have detained witnesses and victims of crimes. If you require consular assistance our staff will seek to visit you as soon as they are aware of the case. However, in some instances they have not been permitted to do so immediately or have had limits applied to access once granted. We have raised our concern about reports of mistreatment of some suspects during their detention.
Photography of government buildings, military installations and palaces is not allowed. You should avoid photographing local people. It is illegal for women to drive.
Anyone involved in a commercial dispute with a Saudi company or individual may be prevented from leaving the country pending resolution of the dispute.
Passports are often retained by sponsors or government bodies for official purposes. You should carry a photocopy of your passport. Make sure you have included in your passport details of those who should be contacted in an emergency.
It is illegal to hold two passports in Saudi Arabia: second passports will be confiscated by the immigration authorities if they are discovered.
. . .
On occasion, Saudi visas have been refused when passports have reflected travel to Israel or indicated an Israeli birthplace.
Women visitors and residents are required to be met by their sponsor upon arrival. Women travelling alone, who are not met by sponsors, have experienced delays before being allowed to enter the country or to continue on other flights.
Single parents or other adults travelling alone with children should be aware that some countries require documentary evidence of parental responsibility before allowing lone parents to enter the country, or in some cases, before permitting the children to leave the country. . . .
Foreign women married to Saudi nationals require permission from their husbands for themselves and their children to leave Saudi Arabia.
Bunch of backwards-ass dickwads. On any type of objective scale you'd want to use, Saudi Arabia has to be among the world's most unfriendly places for international travellers. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather deal with a rude customs guy than risk getting my head chopped off because I was wearing a sleeveless tee.
So how did the Discover America Partnership get it so wrong, when they decided that the United States is the most unfriendly nation for tourism? Simple, they didn't survey any visitors to Saudi Arabia.
Here's the list of Middle Eastern countries their survey compared to the United States:
1. United Arab Emirates
That's right, they only included one Middle Eastern country in their study. So when the above linked article claims "Twice the percentage of travellers nominated the US as unfriendly, compared with the Middle East and the Asian subcontinent," that's a bit misleading. Besides the fact that the U.A.E. might be the most westernized of any Middle Eastern nation besides Israel, how many respondents traveled there, compared with the the United States? Poor methodology, but you wouldn't know it from reading the headlines.
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Ha -- this "survey" must be an implicit admission that no one in his or her right mind would ever WANT to travel to Saudi Arabia. Jebus. What a disgusting country.
If they're basing this on customs then they're just not going to find a place anyone LIKES. International travel just sucks, period, ever since 9/11. I waited in the customs line almost two hours when I visited London a year and a half ago, and then the customs guy in London hassled me because I was traveling alone. Too bad I didn't have my male escort with me...
On the other hand, getting back into the States was pie. Quick and easy. Even more surprisingly, on a recent trip to Mexico -- one on which I purchased a hefty haul of high-quality Mexican booze -- I breezed right through US customs and they didn't even levy a duty on what I bought (even though they probably could've). They were smiley and nice. Maybe partly because I'm a citizen -- but so far, from MY experience, US beats the other countries I've visited. Granted, I've never dealt with immigration (and I wouldn't think anyone would have to if they were just a short-term visitor... if you're living here for six months I'm not counting that as "international travel." That's a change in your living situation).
Now, airport security/TSA and their incompetent staff, that's another issue entirely...
Posted by: The Law Fairy at January 26, 2007 08:48 PM (GFyfF)
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even if we tried real hard we could never be as unfriendly as the French or most of the Eurotards for that matter.
Utter crap.
Posted by: kyle8 at January 27, 2007 03:20 PM (TXleH)
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LF, I'm marking my calendar. FWIW, I know a guy who was beaten by the Matawwa because he LOOKED like a homosexual. Heh, he was in the Air Force, they were probably right.
Posted by: Casca at January 27, 2007 08:14 PM (2gORp)
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"The true measure of a country's greatness is determined by how many people are trying to get in" - Tony Blair
I don't hear about France or Saudi Arabia being swamped with immigrants.
Posted by: Joatmoaf at January 28, 2007 01:04 PM (UFK68)
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Nice job researching, Annika.
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"Mahdi Militia Gettin' Their Asses Fuckin' Handed To 'Em"
Via
Jawa:
Gotta love the FFAR.
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Whooo boy! That sure is a sight!
X
Posted by: Major X at January 25, 2007 05:33 PM (N155d)
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YESSS!!!
Ahhh, I enjoy the sight of Sadr-ists getting r@ped by a pack of Cobras, but I'd prefer seeing the Apache in action instead.
Posted by: reagan80 at January 25, 2007 07:51 PM (qjCPY)
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Let's not split hairs here; all I want to see is that little fag in the black outfit hanging from a lampost upsidedown with a missile up his butt.
Posted by: shelly at January 25, 2007 09:34 PM (SLFj+)
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Interesting how those missles hover slowly in the air and then make a quick diagonal. Never saw something like that before.
Posted by: Mark at January 26, 2007 02:52 PM (2MrBP)
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i think you're looking at the Apache hovering, Mark.
Posted by: annika at January 26, 2007 06:39 PM (JBltT)
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A member of my family was one of the men killed in such a vicious matter in Iraq. And why doesn't Blackwater release the identities of ALL the men.
Posted by: karen at January 27, 2007 02:59 PM (whYdp)
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Well, 250 more sheetheads are now finding out that the 49 virgins all look like Janet Reno.
Take a little consolation from that, Karen. More will be on their way soon, thank you President Bush and General Patraeus.
Posted by: shelly at January 29, 2007 03:47 AM (SLFj+)
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January 24, 2007
Sacramento Native Was Among Executed Contractors
From
the Bee:
A reserve Placer County sheriff's deputy was among five U.S. security contractors killed after their company's helicopter crashed in central Baghdad this week.
Art Laguna, 52, was working for the private security firm Blackwater USA when he was killed Tuesday.
Two Sunni insurgent groups claimed responsibility. One posted several identity cards on a Web site, including two belonging to Laguna.
Sell It Yourself
Laguna lived in the Sacramento suburb of Rancho Cordova and was a reserve deputy with the Placer County Sheriff's Department.
He helped establish the department's air wing in 1995 and spent hundreds of hours volunteering to train the department's pilots. He also assisted with rescues in the Sierra Nevada, said Capt. David Harris, who commands the air unit.
"We'll definitely miss his expertise, we'll miss his flying abilities, and of course we'll miss him as a friend," Harris told The Associated Press on Wednesday. "He was a wonderful guy."
Laguna began assisting the sheriff's department while he was flying Black Hawk helicopters on medical evacuation missions with the California National Guard out of Sacramento's Mather Field. He worked with the department for nine years and visited when he was in the U.S, Harris said.
The circumstances of the helicopter crash in Baghdad remained unclear Wednesday. The Black Hawk was headed to help a U.S. Embassy ground convoy and was flying over a raging gunfight in a Sunni neighborhood at the time it went down.
An Iraqi military official said it was downed by a machine gun, but a U.S. military official in Washington said there was no indication of that. A U.S. defense official said four of the five people on board the helicopter were shot execution-style, in the back of the head.
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Yes, but do the Guantanamo prisoners have Korans?
Posted by: Casca at January 25, 2007 08:12 AM (Y7t14)
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And, are they being handled reveretly, with clean, white gloves?
We need ot be respectful of their "human rights", you know.
Posted by: shelly at January 25, 2007 08:59 AM (SLFj+)
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Yes we do Shelly 'cause we are the good guy's, proud of our constitution and those who shred it as they shit their pants in fear, you and Kasha among them.
No pity for greedy assholes willing to put their lives at risk for love of money. I hope later in life their children come to understand how little their father valued them.
Posted by: strawman at January 25, 2007 06:02 PM (9ySL4)
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"No pity for greedy assholes willing to put their lives at risk for love of money."
You have no fucking idea his motivation, Straw! Do you have any shame?! I would never asked Annie to censor somebody, but this sort of comment ought to come damn close to getting you banned. If you said that crap in front of me, sir, I knock your fucking ass out.
Maybe you ought to send that little bit of wisdom above to his wife and children. I know, though, that you wouldn't. It's easy to sit and type away with a sense of false bravado when you don't have to look somebody in the eye.
You've made a lot of outrageous comments, but this is totally out-of-line; totally shameless; and totally gutless. You wonder why people on this site show you so little respect? (And, the truth is, Straw, I usually try to show you some respect because it seems you at least believe what you write despite the fact it may seem luny to me.)
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I did not meet Art Laguna, but I did meet his son. He married my cousin.
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Please Blu,
I strongly believe that nobody should die in IRAQ and that every death is a tragedy. Iraq is as I have said one thousdand times before an immoral, illegal, militeristic adventure concocted by a cabal of war criminals in washington that I would enjoy seeing hung with a long drop so that their heads might detach.
This pilot deserved to live, he deserved to see his children grow old and hold his grandchildren in his lap. He made a choice. He gets to live and die by that choice. Who or what ordered Mr. Laguna to go over there and work security for Blackwater? His wife? His kids? His mother? His bank account? My guess, and this is as you say only a guess, is his bank account. My previous remarks, which I have made before, about the deaths of mercenaries are always driven by sadness first than anger at the useless and preventable loss caused by greed or vaingloryious hubris disguised as patriotism. Art committed a kind of sucicide and he spun the chamber one too many times. Why mourn a man who chose death, there are too many dying who would do anything to live.
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Whatever Else You Might Say About Hillary...
... I think she deserves a thank you from all of us,
for this.
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Oh, I don't know. He was such an EASY mark. She's sure to be trickier, Nixonian even. Let's see, what works? Tricky Bitch?
Posted by: Casca at January 24, 2007 01:09 PM (Y7t14)
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Damn. I was looking forward to the Swifties resurgence.
What will it take to pull HIllary's pants down??
Posted by: shelly at January 24, 2007 03:08 PM (SLFj+)
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Shelly, that's disgusting. The less seen of her the better. I'm glad she covers up that wrinkled old chicken neck.
Posted by: Casca at January 24, 2007 03:56 PM (2gORp)
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What is the similarity of getting fellatio from Hillary and standing on the very edge of the Grand Canyon?
In either case, you don't want to look down...
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