Tech Shooting
The point has been made over and over again, and I'm sure I don't need to mention it on this blog, but I'll do it anyway.
It's ironic that some people who are criticizing the school for its response to the initial shootings this morning are the same people who will be calling for tighter gun control in the future.
If we learned anything from Katrina, it's the same thing we learned again today:
You cannot rely on the government to protect you from every harm!
In a land where the citizenry is unarmed, the government is the only thing that stands between a criminal and his victim. Thus, the one thing these types of shooters know is that all they need to do is outsmart the government in order to accomplish their evil.
Government, specifically the police, do certain things well, but preventing random acts of violence is not one of them. They can only respond after the fact. And the difference between that first 911 call and the arrival of SWAT (usually after the shooter has killed himself) today was measured in 32 innocent lives.
So when people ask "why didn't the school officials shut down the school right away?" the answer is, "well, I guess they fucked up." (Even though on a campus the size of Virginia Tech, I'm not sure that was practical, or that it would have even prevented the tragedy. Who's to say he wouldn't have found some other populated place to go on his rampage?)
Yes, government fucks up sometimes. Recognize this reality. Embrace it. Own it. Because the sooner we realize that government cannot gaurantee our safety, the sooner we'll stop willingly handing away our right to protect ourselves.
Still more: I wonder if anyone in the MSM will contact VT grad student Bradford B. Wiles, just to see if his opinion has changed any by the events of today. My guess would be no on both counts.
Mr. Giles wrote the following in an op-ed published last August, after he had been evacuated from a campus building in the previous on-campus incident.
I am licensed to carry a concealed handgun in the commonwealth of Virginia, and do so on a regular basis. However, because I am a Virginia Tech student, I am prohibited from carrying at school because of Virginia Tech's student policy, which makes possession of a handgun an expellable offense, but not a prosecutable crime.
I had entrusted my safety, and the safety of others to the police. In light of this, there are a few things I wish to point out.
First, I never want to have my safety fully in the hands of anyone else, including the police.
Second, I considered bringing my gun with me to campus, but did not due to the obvious risk of losing my graduate career, which is ridiculous because had I been shot and killed, there would have been no graduate career for me anyway.
Third, and most important, I am trained and able to carry a concealed handgun almost anywhere in Virginia and other states that have reciprocity with Virginia, but cannot carry where I spend more time than anywhere else because, somehow, I become a threat to others when I cross from the town of Blacksburg onto Virginia Tech's campus.
Of all of the emotions and thoughts that were running through my head that morning, the most overwhelming one was of helplessness.
Two law enforcement officials, speaking on condition of anonymity because the information had not been announced, said Cho's fingerprints were found on the guns used in both shootings. The serial numbers on the two weapons had been filed off, the officials said.
One law enforcement official said Cho's backpack contained a receipt for a March purchase of a Glock 9 mm pistol.
Did anyone think to ask why Cho would go through the trouble of filing off the serial numbers, then carry the receipt around with him?!?!!? Something is not right with that story. Why would somebody take the receipt with him on a shooting rampage? Especially after filing the serial numbers off (which isn't easy by the way)? Gun receipts are multi-page documents, at least mine is. If you ask me, it would be real convenient for the gun-grabbers if they could say this gun was bought legally just a few weeks ago.
Must-read:Publicola deconstructs the incident in his inimitable way.
[I]t has been preached from every rooftop of every school that resistance is bad. We even had a politician proposing using books as bullet proof shields as a solution to school violence. Not too long ago a teacher in Texas was "re-assigned" because he dared teach his students to fight back even if unarmed. For a number of reasons political & cultural we simply do not on the whole wish to face the idea that violence is an acceptable option in any situation.
That, & not the school's reaction (or lack thereof) contributed to the deaths & injuries at VT. [links omitted]
My friend Publicola says he can't take credit for my becoming a gun owner. That's wrong. It was he and Katrina that made me take the leap. Unfortunately, in California, the gun laws are designed to prevent self-defense. But as my sidebar quiz shows, if somebody busts into my home, I won't be jumping out the second story window.
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Bingo. Just changed a few minds at my office as we were all watching the headlines on the cafeteria TV... I muttered, "imagine if just two students in that classroom were carrying..."
Posted by: taxlawmax at April 17, 2007 06:44 AM (dLe9c)
Posted by: reagan80 at April 17, 2007 06:53 AM (fO04l)
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Ex law enforcement officer - forgot if he was FBI or some other branch - was being interviewed on MSNBC yesterday. I was going nuts when the reporter was asking some really dumb questions ('How fast can this (reloading of a pistol) happen?' 'Well, we trained our agents to reload within a couple of seconds, it's possible for anyone to reload a gun quickly...' (note: paraphrase; I don't have the transcript in front of me))... but then the reporter opened the question up to the idea of gun control, and the man came out and clearly stated that his experience taught him that gun control laws only keep weapons out of law abiding citizens hands (I remember he came out and said "I'm for lawful gun ownership", and the context was clear that he didn't mean for hunting or target shooting at a range). He went on about how his experience, talking about how only lawful people turned in guns in gun buyback programs, and how criminals were the first to ignore those programs.
In the end, it turned out to be a great interview. And even better, when the ex-officer/agent said what he did, the interviewer didn't try to steer him away from his claims. She kept the normal gun control rhetoric out of it, which is something I haven't seen for a long, long time.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 17, 2007 07:00 AM (xHyDY)
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They just announced that the shooter was a South Korean on a student visa studying English. Oh man, do I know this story. ROK's coming to the states to study English are usually on a year long party. Then they have to go home, and explain why they don't know how to speak English. Can't wait to hear Kevin's side of this.
Posted by: Casca at April 17, 2007 07:03 AM (Y7t14)
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I didn't know the 2nd Amendment applied to non-citizens either.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 17, 2007 07:47 AM (fO04l)
6"(Even though on a campus the size of Virginia Tech, I'm not sure that was practical, or that it would have even prevented the tragedy. Who's to say he wouldn't have found some other populated place to go on his rampage?)"
The university administration has blood on its hands.
After the initial shootings around 7AM, the university was well aware that an armed man who had just committed two murders was still at large.
And their solution was a mass e-mail.
True, perhaps shutting down the campus would have achieved little or nothing, but to have left everything functioning as normal seemed like the concern was more on P.R. and less the safety of VT students.
Posted by: Mark at April 17, 2007 08:01 AM (2MrBP)
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I wouldn't jump to conclusions on that either way. It looks like they had reason to believe that the first shootings related to a "domestic" dispute. Would you say that the police were negligent if they didn't shut down scores of blocks or an entire city every time a guy shoots his girlfriend (or vice versa) in a private house?
You could argue, however, that the university assumed total responsibility for student safety because it closed off avenues of self-protection (no carrying) and purported to provide a safe environment for the members of the school community (lame security guards? Tech police?). I'm not sure if I buy that either, though.
Posted by: taxlawmax at April 17, 2007 08:09 AM (dLe9c)
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Casca,
I'm about to head off to bed (13-hour difference between Seoul and DC), but I can say this: an email from a friend of mine said that one Korean anchor's reaction to the killings was to say something like, "We hope this doesn't lead to racism." In other words, the ethnic/national angle is more important than the brute fact that thirty-two people were slaughtered. No "our hearts go out to the victims," no "we are all Americans now," but "uh-oh, they gonna be hatin' on Koreans."
I conjectured to a friend that Korean Netizen chatter will include some "those fucking Americans deserved this" remarks from the Kornazi end of the spectrum. Such remarks won't represent the majority opinion, but they won't be a tiny minority, either.
There will be a lot more such histrionic navel-gazing in the Korean media in the days to come as questions about "face" and "race" will surface. (Not that such questions are ever far from the surface in a society like South Korea's.)
Be sure to check out places like The Marmot's Hole (this post in particular) for up-to-the-minute blogging on this and other Korean issues. Those guys never sleep, and their comments sections are pretty wild. The place gets over 2000 unique visits a day, so you know how it is.
Kevin
PS: Don't be shy about checking my blog on occasion, too, though to be honest, I'm about blogged out on this. For now, anyway.
PPS: The guy was a Korean national, but has been living in the States since he was 3. I guess this means his note (the contents of which I'd like to know) was likely in English. Burn in hell, Cho.
Posted by: Kevin Kim at April 17, 2007 09:10 AM (1PcL3)
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I love Korea, the people and the culture, and I couldn't say that about any other country in Asia. Cho won't change that. Pass the kimchae my brutha.
Posted by: Casca at April 17, 2007 09:24 AM (Y7t14)
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Brilliant post, Annika!
Rush is doing a magnificent job breaking this event down this morning from the perspective of how the MSM/Left - after all, they are really part of the same entity - is trying to politicize a single event by a crazed, evil lunatic, attempting to treat it as a microcosm of America.
As we should have expected, some Lefty nutter in the House is already blaming, you guessed it, Bush.
Between the MSM's handling and the Left's reaction to Duke, Imus, and VT, it is becoming even more obvious how far these people will go to politicize any event, using whatever ready-to-use template is available.
Can't wait to hear Rosie's take on this.....
Posted by: blu at April 17, 2007 09:42 AM (pXoDI)
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It was a domestic dispute; he was in her place at 7:15 A.M.; what does that tell us?
Then, he went home and picked up the other artillery and ammo.
He set out to deal with her, (maybe with her and the guy he blew away) but changed his plan after he killed them.
So, why are the idiots calling for resignations for the Chief of Police and the President of VT? HOw far will this Imus crap go?
Damn, why not blame the girl for blowing him off?
Does anybody ever think that the perp is the bad guy anymore???
Posted by: shelly at April 17, 2007 11:32 AM (h/YdH)
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No one's discussing the obvious solution - if you eliminate students from the universities, you won't have these problems.
There's one parallel between Virginia Tech and 9/11. In both cases, a horrible event occurred, and no one (or very few people) conceived that the terrible event could occur a second time. The strategy of multiple nearly-simultaneous attacks, whether performed by a lone gunman or by an organization, has become very deadly.
Yet are we now obligated to assume that this will always occur? I don't think so.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 17, 2007 12:02 PM (xJ+oA)
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good point Shelly. i tend to doubt that the dude was there so early because he had spent the night. From everything i've heard today about him, he seems like too much of a loser. i think he probably went there early to catch the girl with her guy.
and the fact that he bought so many extra clips tends to indicate premeditation for the mass killing later. it was all planned.
Posted by: annika at April 17, 2007 01:55 PM (zAOEU)
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Notice the "alleged" shooter is from C(r)apitalist South Korea and "supposedly" perpetrated this horror in Adoph Chimpler's C(r)apitalist America. Do you ever see North Koreans perpetrating atrocities like this?
This PROVES Socialism is SUPERIOR!
Posted by: isitstinky at April 18, 2007 02:17 PM (xVizk)
Annika Asks Her Readers 2.0
What do you think? Will the Don Imus auto da fe, recently concluded, have the unintended result of making it easier to execute Rosie O'Donald when she makes her inevitable next outrageous statement?
In other words, is the threshold of firable offenses now so low that Rosie will no longer be able to get away with the shit she's been pulling for months on The View?
Or does the Imus controversy have no relevance to Rosie, since the culturally designated Torquemadas, Sharpton and Jackson, are unlikely to be offended by anything Rosie might say?
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Sorry, I have nothing to personally offer on this subject, except....SKIPPY!
[If you offend a given ethnic group, you feel compelled to beg that community's sleaziest members for redemption. It stands to reason that the next time someone says something shitty about whitey, they'll be required to have themselves photographed making a pilgrimage to the grave of Byron De La Beckwith.If America has really been reduced to taking sides in a pissing match between two amoral shitheads like Don Imus and Al Sharpton, maybe the terrorists should win.]
Posted by: reagan80 at April 12, 2007 04:47 PM (fO04l)
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Funny that you should bring up Torquemada in relation to Al Sharpton. Roger L. Simon just posted in that very same vein earlier today.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 12, 2007 06:53 PM (J+r3D)
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Rosie may be a fool for saying things about 9/11, with respect to the collapse of WTC7, but in the grand scheme of things, her stupidity is not as bad as racial offensiveness. Thus, while I wouldn't miss her, I don't think Imus's big mouth is going to make her easier to get rid of.
Posted by: Bigfoot at April 12, 2007 07:11 PM (A5s0y)
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What about Rosie's mockery of Asians, with her "ching chong" comments? It wasn't directed at any individuals, but I'd argue that's at least as bad as what Imus said.
Posted by: annika at April 12, 2007 07:19 PM (WfR6S)
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So long as Rosie merely limits her targets to the Bush Administration, Republicans and conservatives in general, the Pope, Christianity and the Donald, she has carte blanche to say anything she wants, no matter how outrageous. It is absurd for Big Foot to suggest that her extended remarks about WTC-7, basically accusing the U.S. government (led by George W. Bush, of course) of murdering its own citizens on 9/11, is less harmful than Imus' few seconds of infamy. I assure you that tomorrow she could acuse Mitt Romney of polygamy with pre-teenage girls and no one on the View panel or in her studio audience would raise a squeak in protest.
Posted by: Ralph Kostant at April 12, 2007 08:01 PM (oNsms)
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Exactly Ralph. Imus made the mistake of slagging a protected species. He should have stuck to bashing Catholics and Jews as was his forte'
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 12, 2007 09:33 PM (QizG9)
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Being a rug muncher too, Rosie has an extra trump (pun intended) card to play. She can go on a rant ala Daniel Carver (Stern's KKK guy) and scream homophobia at any objection. Her objectors WILL end up facing Hate Crime persecution.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 12, 2007 09:38 PM (QizG9)
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If Rosie insults a Rastafarian, it's all over for her.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 12, 2007 11:09 PM (P8ktI)
Posted by: Casca at April 12, 2007 11:12 PM (2gORp)
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Draw your own discrimination pyramid. Those at the top can insult down, and at the same level, but never up.
Casca said it. I'd elaborate by saying I feel compelled to be polite by default, and by those who are polite to me. Otherwise, why bother with rude people? There is no upside to dealing with them.
Posted by: MarkD at April 13, 2007 04:13 AM (5vbH6)
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I don't give a damn about Rosie's "ching chong" episode, and I am asian. The thing that bugs me to no end is her stupid acceptance of such physically impossible groupthink invovled in 9/11 denial. she went to grade school, and presumably high school, so she's supposed to be smarter than that!
And no, I know we can take cheap shots at her intelligence, but I mean it: If she went to high school and passed basic physics and was exposed to elementary logic, then she should be smart enough not to fall for conspiracy fantasy. Yet she does, either because (as Dennis Miller thinks) she's trying to dig at Bush but doesn't truly believe it, or (as I think) because she really does believe it and it dovetails nicely with her anti-Bush mindset. So fine, she hates Bush. So does the 911 Truthiness blogger, and he doesn't fall prey to believing in stupid, illogical things in order to facilitate that hate. But Rosie does. If she has a basic education, she should be smarter than that. But she chooses to indulge in conspiracy fantasy, so the only conclusion is that she's being deliberately stupid. And that's the worst stance of all: Let me submerge any intelligence I have just to side with folks I agree with. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
That's what pisses me off about her.
Oh, to be on topic: I don't even put Imus in the same boat as Rosie. His stuff was stupidly provocative and, if I'm reading things right, needlessly offensive, true, but you're talking about a whole other level of delusion when it comes to Rosie. But will the Imus affair make firing Rosie more possible? No. Making racist remarks is offensive enough for banning, but unfortunately no one considers physically and logically impossible screeds to be on the same level of offense. So while they both take crowns for ignorance, I don't see anyone being as offended at Rosie as they are at Imus. Ignorance, even deliberate ignorance of truth, is somehow not seen as being as offensive, only as being deluded. And America has a soft spot for the cranks in society.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 13, 2007 07:51 AM (xHyDY)
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Ralph said all that needed to be said on this subject.
I would, however, like to add the following comment just 'cause:
Fuck you, Jessie and fuck you, Al.
Posted by: blu at April 13, 2007 07:53 AM (pXoDI)
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I honestly don't give a fuck about Imus. If he'd called the University of North Dakota women's basketball team "blonde-headed hoes," he'd still have a problem -- or he should, at any rate. Unless they're actual, working prostitutes, you shouldn't call women "hoes." It's not funny. Yeah, rappers do it all the time; so what? They're scumbags. Imus is a dumbass and the author of his own misfortune. That Al and Jesse are worthy of tarring and feathering does not get Imus off the hook.
Worst of all, he's not even entertaining.
Fuck him.
Posted by: Matt at April 13, 2007 09:27 AM (10G2T)
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"Worst of all, he's not even entertaining."
True
Posted by: blu at April 13, 2007 10:09 AM (pXoDI)
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Hey, we can make jokes and little cute remarks all day, but the truth of the matter is this, sure, what Imus said was insensitive, and in this day and age he should have known a white, male, heterosexual can't say those things, at least not publicly. But what Rosie says every single day doesn't border on sedition, it is. She abuses her status as a celebrity. God knows Americans will believe anything that comes out of a person's mouth if they're famous. She is vindictive and mean. She doesn't make bad attempts at humor, like Imus did, she is purely hateful and mean spirited, and she is influencing the way a lot of uneducated, uninformed people think and feel. Rosie is a lot of things, mostly unmentionable. But I liked her until recently. She presents herself to be a loveable, nice person who cares about others. What she cares about is spewing hate speech, and garnering headlines. Shame on you Rosie.
Posted by: Chef at April 13, 2007 12:16 PM (JMWr9)
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What I love about the whole Imus episode is the willingness of those folks that he befriended and help promote their careers have piled on first; David "Howdy Doody" Gregory and Harold Ford, Jr. to name a couple of real pricks.
Here's what Imus should be learning: "A Liberal is a Conservative who just got indicted, but a Conservative is a Liberal who just got mugged."
Imus just got mugged; and by his buddies Gregory and Ford, Jr., et al.
Can't wait for his new satellite show to start, 'cause his liberal kiss ass stuff pushed by his child bride ought to be over by now.
Posted by: shelly at April 13, 2007 04:27 PM (JQe3J)
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Watching the Left's response to Imus and to the Duke case should be enlightening to people who are actually willing to think rather than bow down at the alter of political correctness. Don't hold your breath, however. Just look at the MSM's handling of both. The last few days has gone a long way in reaffirming my core politcal philosophy. The Left always manages to show us that they are a threat to freedom and liberty. Thank God for folks like Annika who do their little bit to fight these freedom-hating, race-baiting, PC kooks.
Posted by: blu at April 14, 2007 12:23 AM (pXoDI)
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You're right Shelly. He laid down with dogs, and now has some bad itches.
Posted by: Casca at April 14, 2007 06:55 AM (Y7t14)
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Imus' long time guru and career sponsor is Mel Karmizan, who is presiding over the merger between XM Radio and Sirius, and will be the CEO of the new combined satellite stations.
The writing is on the wall; all that remains is to find out when the Imus show will start, what hours it will broadcast, and how much he'll get paid.
Howard Stern (with no "K.") got over $100 Million, I think Imus will get a whole lot less than that.
I'm predicting he'll come back and take on all the politically correct, but chickenshit liberals that turned on him when he was down.
Posted by: shelly at April 15, 2007 04:21 AM (h/YdH)
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Saying offensive things on the air, is that really a profession? If it is, what's wrong with it being a precarious one?
Imus is not the only out-of-control utterator around these days, but he is the one who kinda volunteered to serve as the canary in the coal mine. It's about time! Whether his punishment is proportional or not, this episode will put a bit of verbal humility in those who seem incapable of it without external, shall we say, guidance?
One does not need to be offensive in order to express things of thought-provoking value.
And what if Imus was not having fun with his "work" anymore, and did what he needed to do in order to force someone else to kick him out of his job instead of just quitting, like a man?
Sometimes I wish microphones were exquisitely delicate devices, that they would simply cease to operate when one tries to use them for the broadcasting offensive comments. Before this kind of technology comes along, what in the world is wrong with self restraint?
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 15, 2007 08:49 PM (fCsqb)
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Only a good Catholic girl like Annie would know about Torquemada and the obligatory auto de fe.
She is going to be one tough lawyer. Can you imagine the briefs? (No, Kevin, you little weirdo, not those kind)
The Imus story isn't dying; wanna bet he's in talks with Mel Karmizan right now? I'm guessing the announcment comes in April and he starts in May or June. Question is, will any cable company pick up the simulcast? They should, it was a big moneymaker for MSNBC, about 20 extra large a year.
Posted by: shelly at April 16, 2007 03:35 AM (2nDll)
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For some reason, Imus in the Morning on MSNBC kept me awake when my youngest child was a baby and would wake up for his 4:00 a.m. feeding in 1997. Some years later, after years of dealing with this son's autism, I was glad to see that Don Imus gave air time to David Kirby, a journalist who has helped autism parents raise awareness that mercury was being injected into babies along with their immunizations, as well as to other autism topics.
Posted by: Joules at April 16, 2007 07:13 PM (u4CYb)
Bill Whittle's Newest
If you're like me, who waits impatiently for each great essay by Bill Whittle to come out, wait no more. The newest one is up! In it, Bill hits upon the motivation I've always suspected was the driving force behind the popularity of conspiracy theories: self-esteem. Or rather, the lack of it.
[M]ost normal people do not look at life from within a pit of failure and despair. Our lives are measured by small successes -- like raising children, serving in the military, doing volunteer work at your church – or just doing the right thing in a thousand small but important ways, like returning money if someone makes you too much change.
These are simply the small, ordinary milestones of a life of value. They give you a sense of identity.
But if I didn’t have that sense of identity rooted in my own small achievements, I wonder how likely it would have been for me to grab onto that sense of sudden empowerment, of being an initiate in some arcane club of hidden wisdom. I wonder what might have happened to me if being the Holder of Secret Knowledge had been my only source of self-esteem…the one redeeming landmark in a life of isolation and failure. Indeed, I wonder what power such a worldview would have over me if I could believe that behind the scenes lurked vast and unknowable dark forces – forces that could topple a president and perhaps even explain why a person of my deep, vast and bountiful talents was not doing a whole lot better in life?
When I uploaded my footage of the Truther at Ground Zero on YouTube, I intentionally checked the "no comments" box. For some reason, YouTube still submits comments for my approval and sure enough some idiot upbraided me for not drinking his particular flavor of kool-aid. I don't remember his exact words, but it was something like, "stop watching American Idol and do some research." I had to laugh at the irony of that.
To paraphrase Penn Jillette of Penn & Teller, "and where did you do your hard hitting data research... in your ass?"
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Oh, I don't know... what couldn'you learn by listening to Simon? He seems to have a pretty keen insight into reality.
Posted by: Casca at April 11, 2007 09:01 PM (2gORp)
2...a friggin Truther, defiling the scene with his craziness.
You could shut up almost all of these loopy 'Truthers', meaning put an end to all of their "craziness", if you'd explain why WTC-7, which was not hit by an airplane loaded with fuel, not burning furiously, and had what appeared to be only not-exactly-fatal-looking superficial structural damage on just the south face (caused by falling north tower debris), later globally collapsed -- WHOOSH! -- right into its own footprint, in what looks exactly like a controlled demolition/implosion. None of the official reports do this; here is your big chance.
And when you're done with that, explain the HUGE spike in short side options trading on several adversely affected companies in the immediate days before 9-11. If all of that was just a coincidence, then it was what they call a helluva coincidence, and it would be interesting to see an intelligent estimate of the odds on that -- to quantify the 'helluva' part.
Disclaimer: I don't claim to know the answer in either case. But I would like to. And I think it is the responsibility of the investigating body, meaning the Bush administration, to provide them. So I don't have to accept things on faith. Which I'm not very good at.
Posted by: eh at April 11, 2007 09:59 PM (M2Hj1)
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I guess you're right, "eh". Bush obviously is behind this grand conspiracy to take us to war. Now take your pills, and lay down for a while.
Posted by: Casca at April 11, 2007 10:51 PM (2gORp)
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Hey, wait a minute there.
I want to believe all the canards, because, if they are true, then George W. Bush, who is clearly responsible for planning and executing this fraudulent attack on America (and is profiting from it) is clearly a genius!!
Debunk that; then explain why there is no Santa Claus or Good Fairy.
Posted by: shelly at April 12, 2007 04:06 AM (JQe3J)
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ElMondoHummus:
The WTC 7 stuff has been answered months ago.
Sorry, but this is false. Or better said, you have to take a LOT on faith to totally buy the superficial official explanations, which are basically a lot of hand-waving.
I said there was superficial damage on the south face of WTC-7. I also said it was not significant in relation to the structural integrity of the entire building. Both of these statements are true; certainly no official report proves otherwise. Question: Why didn't WTC-7 kip at the point of damage, i.e. like a hinge, and collapse in that direction, meaning to the south? Think of what happens when a tree is chopped down -- if will fall in the direction of the wound unless made to do otherwise. Yet WTC-7 did not do this; instead it collapsed globally straight down -- WHOOSH! -- right into its own footprint. A truly remarkable failure in a modern highrise building barely 10 years old. A (seemingly synchronized) failure that exactly mimics controlled demolition. Just another coincidence of the 'helluva' variety? Perhaps. But when the 'helluva' coincidences start piling up (e.g., including the complete failure of the air defense system), skeptics -- among them nutcases, to be sure -- start speaking up.
To Casca:
I was careful not to say anything about what the explanation(s) might be, or who might be "behind" it, meaning in the sense of some sort of 'conspiracy'. But as usual this is not enough for someone like you, someone who insists on constructing straw men -- all the easier to blow down, I guess.
Posted by: eh at April 12, 2007 06:45 AM (1AfUz)
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Another strawfuck sock, like will. eh, who cares.
Posted by: Casca at April 12, 2007 06:53 AM (FzhYM)
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It's no use debating a truther. Eh says he's not good at accepting things on faith, yet just the opposite is true. It's not about truth at all, it's about a need to feel smarter than the rest of us. "ha ha I know something you don't." or "ha ha you all are the dupes and I'm the only one who questions the truthiness of things." Like I said, its motivated by a weird need for self-esteem, and thus cannot respond to logical reasoning.
Ever notice that truthers always avoid stating their theory of why? You can see this demonstrated without exception whenever they call Michael Medved's show. When asked, they always say something like "I don't claim to know the answer." and "I think it is the responsibility of the investigating body, meaning the Bush administration, to provide them."
The reason they do this is to avoid self contradiction. It is most important for them to maintain their self-created superiority over the rest of us dupes by claiming that they are the only ones who aren't merely accepting what is told to them. Yet if they claimed to know all the answers that would be a self contradiction because they would then be admitting that they accept things on faith too, only from a different, kookier source. Thus, their only option is to say I don't know, all I want is an investigation.
So let me get this straight. 9/11 was an inside job, but all they want is for the guys who impliedly did it to investigate themselves? That makes perfect sense. About as much sense as a government that is so evil, secretive and skilled at manufacturing evidence (though it had only been in office for 8 months) successfully pulling off the greatest swindle in all of history, in order to start the Iraq War, yet that same government was unable or unwilling to slip a few WMDs into Iraq, just to seal the deal! About as much sense as believing the conspirators would not be satisfied with the destruction of the twin towers and just had to, HAD TO have WTC7 too. Because everybody knows the flattening of the twin towers alone would not have been enough of a pretext for whatever they were plotting. Americans would have said "hey they only blew up buildings 1 & 2, we can't invade Iraq over that. Now if they'd blown up bldg 7, THAT would be a different story!"
But like I said, its a self esteem problem, so common sense and logical reasoning will never have an effect on these kooks. They only answer questions with questions because TO question is their goal. Its what makes them feel good.
Posted by: annika at April 12, 2007 07:46 AM (WfR6S)
Posted by: reagan80 at April 12, 2007 07:53 AM (fO04l)
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Eh,
As the resident contrarian, a word Kashe confuses with sock, around here I have, along with Mr. Mondo, written about the explanation for the collapse a week ago. Diesel fuel, fella, 2 or 3 5000 gal tanks stored on the 7-9th floors. I know this since I had a copy of the plans for the "Emerengcy Whatever" office that Rudy built there not that anybody denies the tanks were there. No doubt about it, the building was damaged but would not have fallen were it not for the added fuel.
But, can anybody tell me where the wings went on the plane that hit the Pentagon? And where is a simple photo of the burning hulk of the plane or the engines? They don't burn and would be lying there like big charred sauerbraten? I have a hard time matching the damage on the building with the framework and dissapearance of the plane.
Posted by: Strawman at April 12, 2007 07:53 AM (9ySL4)
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If you think the "official explanation" is a lot of hand waving, then you cannot even justify your own explanation, which contains far more hand waving than anything said by the government. And yes, this was answered months ago; you're just not paying attention to the answers.
"Why didn't WTC-7 kip at the point of damage...
For the same reasons WTC 1 and 2 didn't. As Blanchard said, they followed the path of least resistance:
"A tall office building cannot be made to tip over like a tree. Reinforced concrete smokestacks and industrial towers can, due to their small footprint and inherently monolithic properties. However, because typical human-inhabited buildings (and their supporting elements) are spread over a larger area and are not nearly as rigid, the laws of gravity case them to begin collapsing downward upon being weakened or tipped off center to a certain point. Blasters are well aware of this and often rely on this principle in designing upper-floor charge patterns to maximize breakage and in predicitng debris drop zones"
On top of that, you're still wrong about "collapsing on it's own footprint". 30 West Broadway and the Verizon building were damaged by WTC 7. That alone proves you wrong. You guys just transferred the fantasy about WTC 1 and 2 falling "on it's own footprint" and transferred them to WTC 7, thinking that it's lack of treatment by NIST will allow your fantasies free play. It's wrong for WTC 7 for the same reason it's wrong for 1 and 2: Because it's wrong to think about a skyscraper as a homogenous, single structure. And you guys refuse to acknowledge that!
And no, WTC 7 does not "exactly mimic" controlled demolition. Again, you parrot conspiracy fantasy without thinking. You do not know anything about CD. There has been exactly one - one - controlled demo expert (Danny Jowenko; you guys keep trying to use him as an "expert" for your side) who even allowed for the possibility of CD being used, and what comprised the entirety of his research? A single viewing of one video tape.
And he wasn't told about the fires within.
Save for him, there are no - no - demolitions experts who believe CD was used. None. Zero. And even in Jowenko's case, he's refused further contact or comment. Some expert testimony, huh? He refuses to have anything else to do with you guys.
It does not "exactly mimic" controlled demolition. The collapse started at the top and was not symmetric. To pretend that there was light damage and that the fires had no effect is to ignore all the testimony from the firefighters on scene. One example:
http://www.motorsportsartist.com/911truthiness/?p=73
Transcripts of testimony here, in an ongoing project to centralize interviews and other pieces of testimony regarding 9/11 here:
http://jay-911.blogspot.com/index.html
Look through that and try to tell me that the firefighters thought the damage was light enough to disallow the possibility of collapse. They knew, because they saw all the damage, and the extent of the fires. You've seen pages on the internet. Who's to be believed?
And please: Coincidence of the "helluva" variety? You speak as though those "coincidences", mistakes (yes, there have been mistakes in the NIST and FEMA reports), and to you guys odd phenomena build up to a cohesive narrative. They do not. You cannot construct an internally consistent story from the canards the conspiracy fantasies purport. To reflect reality, a narrative must add up and explain observed phenomena, and conspiracy fantasy does not. Not to mention the fact that all of them depend on the ludicrous Deus ex Machina of government planted explosives, which no one can explain how they got emplanted. And you call the real story "hand waving"! Try again.
On top of that: Your pose about "not (saying) anything about what the explanation(s) might be, or who might be "behind" it". BullSHIT. There's only one target for your criticism, and you leave room for only one implication. So don't lie. Casca's bullshit detector's far better than mine, and mine when off over a year ago when I first saw the so-called truth movement's lies. You guys always say you're just asking questions everywhere you try to pitch your fantasies, you guys always you just want to find out "who's behind it", and your lies are as transparent as glass. If I said "Do you still beat your wife", am I "just asking questions"? You're so transparent, it's ridiculous.
Like I said, Anni, same old stuff, over and over and over from these guys. They stick to scripts better than parrots and answering machines. Which is their failure; they cannot process the contradictions rife in their fantasies. Yet they try to pose as honest researchers, when honest research shows the errors and failures of logic rife in their fantasies. It's ridiculous.
Come up with something new, EH. No one's had to do anything but link answers already given in the past to debunk you guys. You're not even arguing anything new; everything you've brought up has been answered in the past. You're not even trying. Come up with something new or go away. When all someone has to do is see Debunking 911, 911 Myths, JREF, BAUT Forum, or Screw Loose Change for an old response to answer you guys, it's pretty much proof you're not even trying, let alone thinking. Come up with something new.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 12, 2007 08:16 AM (J+r3D)
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Annika,
I don't put much stock in the pyso-bable of this guy Whittle and his self esteem base argument for conspiracy theorists.
I have a simple, more sociological argument.
Since the assignation of JFK the idea that the government or some government protected nefarious cable, could be operating in this country has gained credibility. The explanations offered to support the single shooter theory of the crime are so unbelievable that an entire generation had its faith in our government eroded. And like a virus the dis-belief has spread. A certain segment of the country (I think it is pointless to try and paint them with Whittle's esteem driven drivel) will always be skeptical, will always string together anomalies, coincidences, and the inept, defensive words of government media managers to construct a different vision of an event. Ultimately I think less harm is done by the people who go too far with conspiracy theories than by the people who blindly believe the bullshit.
Skepticism is a healthy quality in a society; just ask Mr. Jillette and Mr. Teller. Also, the site www.csicop.org is a good place to find info on "theories" and hoaxes.
Posted by: Strawman at April 12, 2007 08:22 AM (9ySL4)
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Oh, Straw, come on!!
http://911myths.com/html/757_wreckage.html
Fine. No wings. You got me there. Only engines, wheel rims, landging gear parts, a door...
... and bodies:
"Blast expert Allyn E. Kilsheimer was the first structural engineer to arrive at the Pentagon after the crash and helped coordinate the emergency response. "It was absolutely a plane, and I'll tell you why," says Kilsheimer, CEO of KCE Structural Engineers PC, Washington, D.C. "I saw the marks of the plane wing on the face of the building. I picked up parts of the plane with the airline markings on them. I held in my hand the tail section of the plane, and I found the black box." Kilsheimer's eyewitness account is backed up by photos of plane wreckage inside and outside the building. Kilsheimer adds: "I held parts of uniforms from crew members in my hands, including body parts. Okay?"
Sorry. I can't explain the wings. All I can say is that there's wreckage from a plane traced back to the Flight 77 757.
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Does EH want to try to peddle the claims that Pop Mech's been debunked? Go ahead. Everyone else: Go read some of these debunkings. Jim Hoffman's in particular is particularly laughable; I haven't seen anyone concede so much of an opponents stance and still try to claim it's wrong. Go read those "debunkings" for yourself. Tell me if any actually say "Here's why PM is wrong (insert argument)", rather than "that's a lie" (no following support), or "this can also be true (at best, plausible alternate possibility; at worst, tortured logic)".
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 12, 2007 08:30 AM (J+r3D)
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airliner wings are basically thin fuel tanks. i would be more suspicious if the hole in the pentagon did show the outline of wings.
Posted by: annika at April 12, 2007 10:06 AM (zAOEU)
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Annika,
Thin and flimsy (not too flimsy ofcourse) is the name of planes from top to bottom. And I know much about them. (father was the master sgt in charge of a B-17 bomb group in '44 and son an aeronautical engineer) But I would expect to see SOME small effect on the limestone on either side of the major hole, caused by the wings. The hole is 50-70 feet narrower than the tip to tip wing span and they HAD to hit the facade but there is, from the photo's I've see, no associated damage not a broken window nor carbon staining from the fire (they were full of fuel). I do not claim any conspiracy I just don't see the evidence of a 757. It is strange. I say no more.
Posted by: Strawman at April 12, 2007 03:22 PM (9ySL4)
15Eh says he's not good at accepting things on faith, yet just the opposite is true.
Huh?
Look, I'll make it as simple as I possibly can for you: I have not accepted anything. I make a quite simple statement: the government, despite the resources available to it, including technical resources, has so far failed to give a credible, convincing explanation of why WTC-7 suffered a catastrophic global collapse, a collapse that looks identical to what one would expect if it was toppled via controlled demolition, something that normally takes weeks of expert planning and precise execution.
Take a look at a video of it.
It's not about truth at all, it's about a need to feel smarter than the rest of us.
I suppose this is a convenient ad hominem for you; how am I supposed to prove I have no need to "feel smarter" than anyone? Or that my self-esteem is above a certain threshold.
Posted by: eh at April 13, 2007 12:29 AM (xp3kO)
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And regarding the integrity of this administration: Where are those Iraqi WMDs, anyway?
Posted by: eh at April 13, 2007 12:40 AM (xp3kO)
17"the government, despite the resources available to it, including technical resources, has so far failed to give a credible, convincing explanation of why WTC-7 suffered a catastrophic global collapse, a collapse that looks identical to what one would expect if it was toppled via controlled demolition, something that normally takes weeks of expert planning and precise execution."
You just contributed to debunking yourself. How did they do it if it takes weeks of expert planning and precise execution? They didn't have that timeframe after the planes hit Towers 1 and 2.
And how exactly does it look like "controlled demolition"? The Penthouse fell first, remember? CD starts at the bottom. And a majority of the debris fell to the southeast, with a significant minority falling to the northeast and west to damage 30 West Broadway and the Verizon building respectively. That's controlled demolition? An asymmetric collapse?
The building fell just like it was supposed to, given the damage and knowledge of where the fires were at.
And why are you making it sound like the investigation is finished by complaining that they haven't "...a credible, convincing explanation of why WTC-7 suffered a catastrophic global collapse" yadda, yadda?
"After the June 2004 progress report on the WTC investigation was issued, the NIST investigation team stopped working on WTC 7 and was assigned full-time through the fall of 2005 to complete the investigation of the WTC towers. With the release and dissemination of the report on the WTC towers in October 2005, the investigation of the WTC 7 collapse resumed. Considerable progress has been made since that time, including the review of nearly 80 boxes of new documents related to WTC 7, the development of detailed technical approaches for modeling and analyzing various collapse hypotheses, and the selection of a contractor to assist NIST staff in carrying out the analyses."
(Source: NIST FAQ on WTC investigation... sorry, had to TinyURL it, the mu.nu filter rejected the post for wtc-dot-nist-dot-gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm)
So in other words, they're not finished yet.
Or is the emphasis in your criticism on "credible" and convincing? Which parts are not credible? For now, I'll just stick with the *hypothesis* in the FAQ (there's too much in the drafts to tackle here). What's not credible about these working hypothesis?
An initial local failure occurred at the lower floors (below floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris-induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event) which supported a large-span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 square feet;
Vertical progression of the initial local failure occurred up to the east penthouse, and as the large floor bays became unable to redistribute the loads, it brought down the interior structure below the east penthouse; and
Triggered by damage due to the vertical failure, horizontal progression of the failure across the lower floors (in the region of floors 5 and 7 that were much thicker and more heavily reinforced than the rest of the floors) resulted in a disproportionate collapse of the entire structure.
Granted, these are not conclusions yet; as I said, the study isn't finished. NIST wants to release their findings by early this year (and it's getting towards mid-this-year, so they'd either better hurry or announce they're going to miss the deadline). But... your gripe was about the conclusions (however temporary and subject to change they are) that have been released to date ("...the government... has so far failed to give a credible, convincing explanation of why WTC-7 suffered a catastrophic global collapse"). So let's deal with some summary conclusions released to date. What's wrong with the 3 broad strokes released in the NIST FAQ? What's not "credible" or "convincing" about them?
"Look, I'll make it as simple as I possibly can for you: I have not accepted anything."
Bull. You keep parroting conspiracy fantasy. You do not look up facts to dispute in the actual NIST or FEMA reports, and you don't even try to tackle what was said in non-governental publications, like Zdenek Bazant's paper in Journal of Engineering Mechanics"Why Did the World Trade Center Collapse? - Simple Analysis". Admittedly that's on towers 1 and 2, but I thought you hadn't accepted anything yet. Or, do you accept that the findings on 1 and 2 are correct? Either way, you don't actually say what in their current and ongoing findings you don't find "credible" or "convincing"; as if you don't care what the details are, you only seek to criticise the ones making the report. Shoddy. What exactly do you disagree with? Put forth.
You know, for not having accepted anything, you sure do manage to hew the line of "questions" that other conspiracy fantasists keep purporting ("looks exactly like controlled demolition/implosion", "not hit by an airplane loaded with fuel", "(fires) not burning furiously", "only not-exactly-fatal-looking superficial structural damage", "explain the HUGE spike in short side options trading"...). You've yet to raise a point that isn't part of their mythology. You haven't brought up molten steel, pyroclastic flow, or Silverstien's "Pull It" comment yet, so I'll give you credit for not gushing those old canards, but have you truly come up with any independant thinking? I don't see it.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 13, 2007 06:25 AM (xHyDY)
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Oh.. regarding the WMD's: You're correct. They're not there. How does that put explosives in the Twin Towers or WTC 7 without "weeks of expert planning and precise execution"?
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 13, 2007 06:26 AM (xHyDY)
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"And regarding the integrity of this administration: Where are those Iraqi WMDs, anyway?"
Governmental incompetence does not a sinister conspiracy make.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 13, 2007 08:46 AM (fO04l)
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Raygun,
Still clinging to the "we're just stupid" myth?
Posted by: Strawman at April 13, 2007 12:54 PM (9ySL4)
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Aw, how cute. Eh's little theories about WTC 7 are falling apart under scrutiny so he flings out something about pre-war intelligence on Iraq's WMD program.
...and when people expend enough effort dealing with that, he'll probably find something else or go back to WTC 7 and pretend the previous facts presented that threaten his theories never existed.
ElMondoHummus: You have the pattern of behavior pretty well described. Sad thing is, it's all a matter of endurance for these folks. They'll keep spewing, dodging, weaving, firing chaff and flares and return until people get tired of their antics. Then they claim victory.
Posted by: Patrick Chester at April 13, 2007 02:18 PM (MKaa5)
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Well, Patrick Chester, their pattern of behavior is so unvarying. It's not too hard to discern it.
You know: The funny thing is the inconsistency of the fantasy. Eh here keeps on saying "looks exactly like a controlled demolition" or "exactly mimics"... but when Popular Mechanics (among others) pointed out the inconsistencies apparent when you compare what you expect to see out of CD with what actually happened to the WTC Complex, the argument suddenly becomes "Oh, that wasn't standard CD". In other words, it looks exactly like CD. Unless it's convenient for the argument to say it doesn't.
I think Jim Hoffman was one of the purveyors of "it's not standard demolition". I have to double-check that.
Anyway... it's completely predictable behavior. Eh isn't even on the level of the JREF antagonists. Heck... he's not even on the same level as the Screw Loose Change trolls knowledge-wise. Although, I have to admit, I do give him many points for civility; he's trying to argue rather than harangue, and unlike some of the SLC antagonists, or worse yet, the opposition at 9/11 Conspiracy Smasher, he's not stooped to reckless ad hominem. So regardless of how empty the arguments he makes are, I willingly give credit where it's due, and he deserves credit for not flinging excrement like too many other fantasists stoop to. No, the WMD post wasn't s*** slinging, not compared to the low idiocies posted elsewhere. It was empty, dumb, and irrelevent, but it wasn't poo-shooting.
So there is that.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 16, 2007 06:58 AM (xHyDY)
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eh: The government has given such an explanation. You just don't like it.
"Watch a video and it'll look just like a controlled demolition" is not convincing if people look at it and say "well, no, it actually doesn't". (Cf. ElMondo's immediately preceding post.)
(The other problem being, why would they want to blow up WTC-7? What would an evil government conspiracy gain by collapsing an empty WTC-7 building? What's the motive?
Hell, if they were evilly conspiring to kill Americans to gin up support for a war, wouldn't they have flown the planes into and then blown up the WTC towers when they were full of people? To gin up even more anger and support?
Even accepting the conspiracy premises, this doesn't make any sense.)
Posted by: Sigivald at April 16, 2007 04:51 PM (4JnZM)
My First And Only Duke Lacrosse Related Post
Now that the Duke Lacrosse thing is over, I think it's an appropriate time to review what did not happen in Durham. So here's Mary Katharine Ham to remind us, in a video she did way back in December.
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Everything you need to know about the Left was sadly and pathetically on display during this episode.
I can't even imagine what these young men have gone through. I hope and pray that the DA and the "victim" have to give up every last cent they have in restitution. Moreover, the school and city owe these boys big. Let's hope the lawsuits are huge and the dollars floweth.
Posted by: jcrue at April 11, 2007 05:35 PM (wqbLX)
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That was simply, succinctly, and presciently, brilliant!
Posted by: Aviator Otto at April 11, 2007 10:10 PM (czVLs)
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TSG/Drudge have her pic, and previous arrest report posted. LOL, what a loon. Even funnier, they're not going to indict her because she's nucking futz. Chicks get away with everything.
Posted by: Casca at April 11, 2007 10:57 PM (2gORp)
Posted by: Mark at April 12, 2007 12:14 AM (4T9a8)
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Nice cool post in the face of all the storm and posturing. I suppose it's impolite to wonder if 'first and last post' suggests a certain reluctance to get too much on the bandwagon of 'false accusations.'
Posted by: Michael at April 12, 2007 12:53 PM (8ezBr)
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No, I'm totally on board the false accusations bandwagon. I just never posted before because it was an ongoing investigation, and truthfully I wasn't all that interested. I don't plan to post again about it because it's pretty much over, and besides, I won't be here in 38 days.
Posted by: annika at April 12, 2007 07:44 PM (WfR6S)
Posted by: Mark at April 13, 2007 11:50 AM (2MrBP)
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I am retiring from full time blogging, to become a lawyer.
Posted by: annika at April 13, 2007 12:00 PM (WfR6S)
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Moving from one low calling to another. You'll probably be on the ballot in '08.
Posted by: Casca at April 14, 2007 07:00 AM (Y7t14)
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Heh, thanks for the answer! That's the convent where you may not have your own blog though, different profession. I link to 2 lawyer blogs Volokh conspiracy and the Becker Posner Blog.
Posted by: michael at April 14, 2007 06:34 PM (bCj+s)
Posted by: Mark at April 16, 2007 02:00 PM (2MrBP)
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At least Annika has given us a couple months notice before shutting down the place. My favorite Mil-blogger, Odysseus, just went "cold turkey" on blogging without telling us why. I don't know if he's back in Iraq, just spending time with his kid, or demoralized.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 16, 2007 07:40 PM (fO04l)
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Brilliant! Absolutely brilliant! Love your blog by the way. You should check ours out... lots of the same views and we're all vets.
Posted by: TheSniper at April 17, 2007 09:36 PM (I21EG)
Latest LA Times/Bloomberg Poll
The latest LA Times/Bloomberg poll on the Iraq War contains a real surprise, which might explain why nobody is reporting it. The poll is dated April 5th through April 9th. The key question is this:
Generally speaking, do you think setting a timetable for withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq hurts or helps U.S. troops serving in Iraq right now, or doesn't it affect the troops one way or the other?
And the responses, no doubt highly disappointing to the LA Times and other anti-American news organizations, were as follows (emphasis mine):
Hurts: 50%
Helps: 27%
No Effect: 15%
Unsure: 8%
The really crazy thing about the poll is that the next question asks whether the President should sign a funding authorization that includes a timetable for withdrawal, or veto it. The poll found 48% of respondents favoring such a timetable! Even though 50% believe it would harm the troops! Not only that, 45% believe Congress should "refuse to pass any funding bill until Bush agrees to accept conditions for withdrawal." Again, even though it harms the troops.
So much for Americans supporting the troops, if you believe the poll.
Predictably, the only news story I found on Google that even mentions the poll is selective in its coverage — i.e. they're incredibly biased. Here's the link. As of this writing, E&P completely failed to mention the first question I highlighted above, instead focusing on the second question. That's not just biased reporting, it's fucking propaganda.
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If the link includes propaganda about sexual intercourse, then I can't read it from work. (Or maybe propaganda is OK, just the facts can't be read?)
I don't think the proper question is whether or not something helps the troops - one can easily argue that the best way to "help" the troops is to deploy them in Iowa where people won't shoot at them (I don't think). The proper question is what action will help the Iraqis. But, since Americans are often inwardly-focused, this question is of little consequence to most people. (Liberal Democrats as the new isolationists?)
The interesting part of the poll question is the 27% who believed that a timetable would help the troops. Did the respondents believe that the timetable would help the troops in the long-term only, or did they also see some short-term benefit? (If so, I can't imagine what it would be.)
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 11, 2007 01:03 PM (B0VZe)
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Annika,
Another deeply flawed set of question given to the deeply flawed American voter whose intelligence is only somewhat more compromised than their morals or ability to think logically.
Of course, "What's good for the troops" is a crap phrase, completely ambiguous. You think keeping their morale high, belief in the mission intact and their kit well equiped is what they need and I think sleeping at home with their wife and taking care of their kids is what they need.
Posted by: Strawman at April 11, 2007 01:25 PM (9ySL4)
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"The proper question is what action will help the Iraqis. But, since Americans are often inwardly-focused, this question is of little consequence to most people."
Ah, the Emperor just reminded me of something. Right Wing Donn posted my favorite comment of the week:
[An even MORE interesting essay would be:“How the Iraqis Lost Iraq.”And, might I add, the Iraqis can singularly give themselves credit for turning the Post 9/11 generations in America into people who certainly believe or feel or both that it is better to have a brutal dictator in power, with rape rooms, mass beatings and mass murder--as long as he keeps the peace and keeps the population from doing to each other what the Iraqis are determined to do.Muqtada al Sadr--THIS is YOUR legacy.I don’t think anyone in America needs worry that the U.S. will do anything like this any time soon. Which means that the Brits and French had better learn to stand on their own. Because I think we will soon hear:NO AMERICAN BLOOD FOR EUROFREEDOM!!!!]
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"(Liberal Democrats as the new isolationists?)"
Not quite.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 11, 2007 06:24 PM (fO04l)
4...whose intelligence is only somewhat more compromised than their morals or ability to think logically.
Except for you, right?
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 12, 2007 04:17 AM (quenf)
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Hey Red,
Have you checked the label on your terry cloth upholstered barcolounger? I'll bet it says "schmuck sienna".
Posted by: Strawman at April 12, 2007 07:32 AM (9ySL4)
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That's wild. At first I thought it must be an antique piece of furniture. But its apparently something new. I knew Canadians were odd, but racist too?
Posted by: annika at April 12, 2007 07:53 AM (WfR6S)
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Annika,
My guess is that it is a misspelling of "Niger Brown"
Posted by: Strawman at April 12, 2007 08:26 AM (9ySL4)
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in that case, Straw, shouln't it be the color of "yellow" cake?
; )
Posted by: annika at April 12, 2007 08:31 AM (gPH4l)
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It was assembled in China. I'll bet the overseer had the label-making Chinaman blindfolded with dental floss thus creating the error.
Of course the stoopid™ only multiplies: the dumb-assed bitch is bringing the 1 square inch tag to some PC Humanoid Rights Commission. :rollseyes:
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 12, 2007 09:27 PM (QizG9)
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Annika,
Right you are. Yellow cake with Niger Brown chocolate icing.
Posted by: Strawman at April 13, 2007 01:03 PM (9ySL4)
Thank Don Imus
I have a somewhat different take on the whole Imus debacle. I've always thought he was totally overrated and I never understood his appeal or influence. Happily, living in California, I don't have to listen to him.
However, I think the huge uproar surrounding Imus's recent unfunny racial jokes, his subsequent apologies, public bitchslapping and two week suspension have shown us just how far we've come as a society that is unwilling to tolerate such insensitivity.
It is right and just that Imus be brought low, a-hole that he is.
I also firmly believe that this controversy has brought us closer to that glorious day, which will occur soon and possibly within our lifetimes, when no one will ever be insulted ever again. By anyone. At any time. In any way.
Hallelujah!
Update: It's official. Wikipedia now refers to "Imus in the Morning" in the past tense.
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Lol, you forgot to turn the sarcasm off.
I remember Imus from when I was a boy, and he was a drunk on the radio (AM) in Cleveland. He was hilarious to my preteen mind back in those days, but hell, we only had three channels on TV, so my fun meter pegged pretty easily. Then he went to NYC, turned to smack, got fired everywhere, cleaned up his act, and re-emerged with his grouchy old prick schtick. He's been saying worse things about everyone for years. Had he called them nappy headed dykes, he could fall back on the truth defense. My joy in this is that he's been whoring for the D's for a couple of years now, and for the next ten years, he'll be a public joke.
Posted by: Casca at April 10, 2007 06:52 PM (2gORp)
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Nicely said Casca.
I'm fucking sick of this non-story. It was a stupid, un-funny comic routine. That's it. Nobody busted out the "N" word. Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton have both said worse things about Jews and whites and yet both have the fucking balls to act offended in hopes of raising some money for themselves and their parasites in the "civil rights" community. Fucking pricks. I despise both those frauds and their out-dated, pathetic "cause."
What's more disgusting than all the phony black outrage and white liberal guilt is the fact that black rappers/hip-hop artists say worse shit about their own people every fucking day on the raido and make millions selling it too little white, brown, yellow, and black boys. So, when young black males preach misogyny, and toss around the "N" word every other sentence, well, that's art. But when an old, insignifcant, white asshole says something only barely racist, then, of course, America is a cauldron of racism just waiting to boil over.
There are few things I care less about than the phony "racism" cries of black and white liberals.
As for Don, I couldn't give a shit. I don't think he should be fired, but I sure wouldn't mind if his market-value went down. One less dip-shit on the airwaves is good thing.
Posted by: blu at April 10, 2007 08:23 PM (Z0MKU)
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Actually, I watch him almost every weekday.
I record it on TiVo and after an hour or so, scroll through and get rid of the crap and commercials.
Lately, it's been a lot more crap than funny. His ultraliberal child bride has turned him from M Republican into a pussy patsy for the likes of John Kerry, Cris Dodd and James Carville and Paul Begala. He always notes that he's a Republican but he never votes that way.
I like watching Lieberman, McCain and a few others, including Colonel Jack Jacpbs who got the Medal of Honor, but more and more he is unfunny and liberal.
Maybe now he'll become a little more conservative, since the definition of a conservative is "A liberal who just got mugged".
Imus just got mugged.
Posted by: shelly at April 10, 2007 08:53 PM (2nDll)
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Annie,
My take is that he's an old dinosaur blowhard who doesnÂ’t understand the world, despite the visitations of many Presidential wannabees, doesnÂ’t revolve around him and his wife as they schlep their "green" products and tell us the great things he does on his ranch.
What pisses me off most is not his racist, feminist, stupid rants it's that recently with the Walter Reed scandal, he attacked the Army leadership, who no doubt both screwed up the job and the discussion, but called some "sons of bitches" bastards, and for court-martial.
I say, whoever is stupid enough to employ Imus, gets what they deserve.
Posted by: Otto at April 10, 2007 10:16 PM (czVLs)
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Judging from the sheer volume of advertisements that I scroll through trying to find a little comedy on Imus without his wife's liberal buddies' commentary, I'd say that whoever employs him makes a lot of money in the process.
Sometimes he is pretty outrageous but I think he knows pretty well who and what he is. He is a parody of himself and he laughs at himself as much as others do.
I also think he is sincerely sorry for his comments, taken out of context, to be sure, but still sorry they have caused so much pain to the girls, mostly thanks to the bible thumping frauds, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, who are riding this wave for all it is worth.
And, by the way, so is Imus. His viewership is bound to increase exponentially as those who never heard of him tune in when the "suspension" is over.
Meanwhile, he takes a "vacation" and does the circuit advertising his show. Hell, dontcha just love showbiz??
Posted by: shelly at April 11, 2007 02:29 AM (2nDll)
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I don't know Shelly. He has a face for radio. When I look at him, I think of my mother after a year of cancer. Is Fred still around, or did the new wife banish him?
I should have known that it was the young, large breasted wife. His course correction was about 180 degrees. As for the ranch, give me a fucking break. It's a fucking tax dodge. Nothing like a 501(c)3 if you have a way to hustle people for money. His fund raising for his fraud/ranch was embarrassing.
Posted by: Casca at April 11, 2007 07:18 AM (Y7t14)
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Imus just got mugged... the question is how much will Al and Jesse bleed him. The sad twist to this story is Rutgers University getting in on the act.
I didn't see the whole press conference, but Rutgers is lucky no reporter got one of the players to deviate from the script by asking a question such as what rappers/songs the players have on their Ipods..
Jason Whitlock summed up the point nicely:
http://www.kansascity.com/182/story/66339.html
"With the comments of a talk-show host most of her players had never heard of before last week serving as her excuse, Vivian Stringer rambled on for 30 minutes about the amazing season her team had.
Somehow, weÂ’re supposed to believe that the comments of a man with virtually no connection to the sports world ruined RutgersÂ’ wonderful season. Had a broadcaster with credibility and a platform in the sports world uttered the words Imus did, I could understand a level of outrage.
But an hourlong press conference over a man who has already apologized, already been suspended and is already insignificant is just plain intellectually dishonest. This is opportunism. This is a distraction."
Oh, wonder if the Duke Lacrosse players will get an hour long press conference to talk about being "scarred for life" and whether they'll get an apology from some of the Duke faculty members..
Posted by: Col Steve at April 11, 2007 07:48 AM (WffUy)
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"Oh, wonder if the Duke Lacrosse players will get an hour long press conference to talk about being "scarred for life" and whether they'll get an apology from some of the Duke faculty members..."
Exactly, Col! I wouldn't hold your breath waiting for the professional, left-wing race-baiters to apologize. I gurantee many of them are either sadly disapointed that this whole episode was a lie made up a cheap whore or that they refuse to believe that the evil, white-males didn't actually rape the helpless, black female.
These people's entire political belief system is premised on non-white/non-Western victimhood and a belief in innate white/Western racism - facts be damned.
Posted by: blu at April 11, 2007 09:55 AM (Z0MKU)
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I'd be interested in your take on Gingrich's admission that there is sufficient evidence for anthropogenic global warming;
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2007/04/11/gingrich_drops_skepticism_on_global_warming/
Posted by: will at April 11, 2007 10:18 AM (GzvlQ)
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i'd have to take newt very seriosly, since he's a scientist and all. and of course he's not running for president.
Posted by: annika at April 11, 2007 10:29 AM (zdkjQ)
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I'd be interested in Will's take on yet another famous and prestigious scientist saying that the global warming propogandists are full it and full of themselves. And, of course, another in the chorus of voices calling Al Gore's movie what it is: C-R-A-P.(Will Ad Hominem Alert: get ready for a personal attack on the particular MIT professor and an inability to deal with him intellectually.)
Pretty cold April, Will, don't ya think?
Newt's ass-kissing of yet another liberal is just one more nail in his presidential coffin. Seriously, why would any self-respecting person - let alone conservative - be in the same room with that pompous, arrogant weasel. Hey, Will, I'll bet you voted for ol' John, didn't ya. You guys have a lot in commmon. I'll let you figure out what those personality traits are.
Posted by: blu at April 11, 2007 11:17 AM (Z0MKU)
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this Imus thing demonstrates the worst knee jerk - emphasis on "jerk" aspects of our society. I don't know Imus well, though I did see his apology. I was impressed that it was an actual apology - as opposed to the fake apologies employed by Bill Clinton, Dick Durbin, et al, when they never actually got around to apologizing for any wrongdoing. Imus gets points from me for his apology.
Jesse and Al are jokes. Imus is a fool to cater to them.
WTF IS THE RUTGERS BASKETBALL TEAM DOING AT A PRESS CONFERENCE?!? That is the biggest freakin joke I have ever seen. Child abuse. The parents of Rutgers players should sue the school for allowing their kids to be made into a public spectacles. I guarantee you - GUARANTEE - there's a way to sue the school, on behalf of any basketball player, under current Sexual Harrassment laws, and win. Guarantee.
Posted by: gcotharn at April 11, 2007 11:28 AM (clP4M)
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Those girls are, effectively, employed by the university. They generate revenue for the university. If they don't show up, in their sweatsuits, at that vanity press conference for their coach; and if they don't show up, to sacrifice themselves on the altar of an NAACP/race hustler agenda; then they could reasonably expect they might lose playing time next season. They could reasonably expect harrassment in practice: extra running, extra disciplinary measures, extra criticism from their coach. Their scholarships are year to year. They could reasonably fear their scholarship might not be renewed. When that vanity + race hustler press conference was announced to the media, those girls were instantly thrust into a hostile work environment.
Posted by: gcotharn at April 11, 2007 11:41 AM (clP4M)
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Those girls, and their parents, would never sue the school. College is too short, and too precious of an experience, to defile it in order to make a political point. However, this is the type of counter-terror lawsuits which conservatives should be filing, across the nation, to break the back of the EEOC, and or the current court rulings vis a vis sexual harrassment law. Leftist employers, and managers, are mindlessly running amok, and creating work conditions which ideally fit inside the definition of "hostile work environment." No one has thought to sue them for it, and service of a counter terror pushback at sexual harrassment law. Conservative attorneys should be soliciting such lawsuits. There is a gaping vulnerability there, waiting to be exploited.
Posted by: gcotharn at April 11, 2007 11:49 AM (clP4M)
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Blu,
The take on this story from a fried.........
I'd like to see Don and Al shackled together like Sidney and Tony. They could call it Raison and Son. Or they could learn to cooperate and co-produce the Imus and Andy Show. Maybe they could get the Reverend Jackson to atone for his Hymietown remark by playing the role of George 'Whitefish' Stevens. Sharpton: "What dat disgustin' smell, Whitefish?" Whitefish: "Ah thinks dat's dog poo, Andy. It comin' from dat nasty plastic garbage bag. Saaaaaay! Dere's a nappy-headed ho in dat shitty bag! Why, it's Too-wanna Brawly!" Cut to commercial: Mississippi John Hurt for Maxwell House coffee. I'm just glad that Buddy Hackett and Jerry Lewis never lived to see this.
Posted by: Strawman at April 11, 2007 01:32 PM (9ySL4)
16Happily, living in California, I don't have to listen to him.
Actually, and also happily, no one has to listen to Imus, even those who don't live in California.
Posted by: eh at April 11, 2007 09:32 PM (M2Hj1)
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blu, if you are referring to Richard Lindzen, I'd have to say that he's entitled to his opinion. I'm sure the $2500 per showing he gets from giving endless presentations to lobbyists, conservative organizations, and oil/coal/gas/automaker/utility groups has noinfluence on his POV.
If you are referring to the many other at MIT, you'll see that they overwhelmingly support the IPCC position (indeed, several participate in the IPCC process). So Lindzen is a part of a vocal, though tiny, minority of climate researchers.
Don't confuse a cool fraction of a month with long term climate trends; that's a futile attempt by the denialist spin doctors to delude the lay public. And April is far from over...
Posted by: will at April 12, 2007 08:41 AM (GzvlQ)
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As I predicted, Will is incapable of making any intellectual argument against Lindzen's position:
"I'm sure the $2500 per showing he gets from giving endless presentations to lobbyists, conservative organizations, and oil/coal/gas/automaker/utility groups has noinfluence on his POV."
This is always Will's ploy regardless of the debate: Shout loudly about his position being correct and then personally attack any person with a contrary position. It's sad and pathetic really.
Will, you are a sophist. Anybody who understands how research money is given and who provides those funds, understands that each scientist and each benefactor has an agenda.
Go, push your propoganda on some 6th graders, who might actually buy it. (Sadly, your kind of junk science is already being systematically included in the propoganda of the public school system.)
Oh, this April, coldest on record in, what, 100 years...?
Posted by: blu at April 12, 2007 09:46 AM (pXoDI)
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blu,
Lindzen merely states that he doesn't understand how the climate models can be used as prediction tools. He's one of a very tiny minority of scientists, most of whom have been backtracking their statements over the last several years as more data has become available and the models have been shown to be surprisingly accurate in identifying trends.
I have no doubt that you also hold highly conservative positions on evolution, flat earth, and similar topics, holding up one or two cranks as your champions. Even your hero Newt now says you are full of fertilizer, so the island position you are defending is eroding rapidly around your feet even as you speak. It's time to bail out, else you will spend inordinate amounts of time splashing about aimlessly.
Posted by: will at April 13, 2007 05:04 AM (GzvlQ)
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Dear Annika,
Please, for the love of all that is good in this world, concede to Will's points.
As you may already know, he is the host to my symbiotic existence. If he is not happy, then his misery will inevitably trickle down to ME.
If you could find it in your heart to...oh fuck it. Here's the lowdown: see, unless if you kowtow to his views, my host can't get a stiffy. Ever. Again.
He's been forcing me, at gunpoint, to give him handj0bs, but it hasn't been working out so far. You should see how Will takes his frustrations out on me! He flogs me with the strap-on that he's been using on the missus! The horror!
So, don't be an ice queen. I only have about a month left before he decides to end it all for both of us. Give him what he wants for my sake, PLEASE!
Graciously waiting,
Swill
Posted by: Swill at April 13, 2007 09:43 AM (fO04l)
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Those who can't debate the science on its merits use any number of other rhetorical tricks.
Posted by: will at April 16, 2007 06:05 AM (GzvlQ)
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This entire episode just goes to show how the far, far, far left fringe controls the Dem party. Can you imagine if conservatives started giving PBS or CBS the finger? CBS and PBS are both more bias than FOX - as are CNN and NBC. (ABC, in my opinion, is less bias than the rest though still clearly a left-wing cheerleader.)
The Dems know that the kooks pay their bills. Hopefully, it won't take average Americans too long to see who really controls these people.
Posted by: blu at April 10, 2007 09:23 AM (Z0MKU)
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Blu,
"The only thing wrong about bias is thinking that it does not exist. To believe that there can exist a neutral position is a bias toward fantasy."
Strawman
Some are left, some are right. Where is that unwaivering belief you have in the wisdom of the average American to suss out the reality and vote their conscience? You tell me all the time I underestimate intelligence the lumpen P. so I look to you to highlight their strengths.
"The truth is a moving set of metaphors"
"There are no facts, only interpretations."
"You have your way. I have my way. As for the right way, the correct way, and the only way, it does not exist" Friedrich Nietzsche
Posted by: Strawman at April 10, 2007 10:09 AM (9ySL4)
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I actually wouldn't have so much of a problem with the left-wing MSM if they would just admit their bias.
Instead, you get self-righteous left-wing assholes like David Gregory pretending that they are neutral. It's a joke.
Posted by: blu at April 10, 2007 10:16 AM (Z0MKU)
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Most primary candidates are satisfied to lock themselves into a "me too" strategy - primarily because those who don't (e.g. John Anderson) don't win. So the Dems imposed their "boycott Fox" litmus test to prove their Democraticness.
I'm sure that if Mitt and Rudy decided that it was "Republican" to boycott the New York Times or Cosmopolitan whatever ("Nancy Reagan never appeared on the Cosmopolitan cover"), every single candidate would follow suit to prove their Republicanness.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 10, 2007 10:18 AM (P8ktI)
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That's an interesting take, OE. Have to see if something similar happens on the Rep side.
Posted by: blu at April 10, 2007 10:29 AM (Z0MKU)
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It's much simpler than media bias. The D's own almost all of the media. For a LONG time they owned it all, that's how they stayed in power.
No conservative can play with the MSM without getting fastballs thrown at his head, while the umpire calls it a strike. The D's get one groved down the middle of the plate, and if they whiff, it's a ball. That's not bias. That's a crooked game. The D's can't compete in a straight game, and they know that, so they cheat. The MSM is just the umpire in their pocket.
Posted by: Casca at April 10, 2007 10:32 AM (Y7t14)
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Funny... I would have thought the DEMS would be the ones to compare Fox to America's enemies :0)
Posted by: The Law Fairy at April 10, 2007 11:18 AM (XUsiG)
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Fortunately for us (well, all but one or two of us) it is the power of the ideas that prevails, not the people or the biased commentary of the self-professed "neutrals" like the aformentioned Howdy Doody of NBC, the provacative Mr. Gregory.
I'm waiting for him to ask tough questions of Speaker/Alternate Secretary of State Cruella de Pelosi.
But, I'm not holding my breath.
Posted by: shelly at April 10, 2007 11:51 AM (JQe3J)
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there's another big question: how come i can't get traffic like cap'n ed even though i post stuff exactly like this - only three days before he does!?
http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2007/04/
edwards-and-democrat-party-willing-to.html
Posted by: reliapundit at April 10, 2007 07:37 PM (xz4sV)
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As Commodore Vanderbilt once remarked when someone asked him how much it costs to own and operate a yacht, "Them as has to ask, can't."
Posted by: shelly at April 11, 2007 02:33 AM (2nDll)
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Maybe it's his open bar Tuesdays, and Free BJ Fridays?
Posted by: Casca at April 11, 2007 07:22 AM (Y7t14)
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Captain Ed is big because he was one of the handful of bloggers who broke the Rathergate story.
Posted by: annika at April 11, 2007 11:28 AM (zAOEU)
Kiki On WWI
Here's Kiki Couric on today's anniversary of the American entry into World War I.
Did you catch that?
Listening between the lines, Kiki's message is this: If not for advances in modern medicine, over 413,000 Americans would have died fighting the Iraq war.
Am I reading too much into it? If it was anybody else, I might be, but this is the anti-American CBS News.
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What she meant to say was "If it were not for the aliens and their mind control device, I would be a pushy soccor mom, getting into a pissing match with another hausfrau at the Peoria PTA."
Posted by: kyle N at April 06, 2007 07:10 PM (7k0iG)
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The video is no longer available! Conspiracy!!!!
Posted by: Otto at April 06, 2007 08:27 PM (czVLs)
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There are few members of the media that make me cringe with revulsion more than Ms. Katie Couric. She could be reading "Green Eggs and Ham" -- it wouldn't matter.
Posted by: Mark at April 06, 2007 10:31 PM (viPPu)
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Jeez, she reads like the smart bitch in a high school English class. Since when was the "A" in fatalities long?
On the upside, I just got off the phone with Casca II. He called on the satphone from a wadi in the western desert. It was good to hear his voice. Technology is great!
Posted by: Casca at April 06, 2007 11:44 PM (2gORp)
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If he's really your son, it would be Casca, Jr. Small distinction, but worth mentioning.
Please give him my thanks, and those of all of us, (except that fool who keeps butting in), for being there and defending us all, even the fool.
Posted by: shelly at April 07, 2007 05:39 AM (4hKsD)
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I second Shelly's motion. I hope him and his comrades remain safe for the duration of their stay.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 07, 2007 07:49 AM (I0gpu)
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Lol, well since he's about five inches taller than me, I've always suspected his mother's fidelity. The rub is that his mind works a lot like my own. In any case, since I'm not a legalistic sort, I'll continue to call him any damn thing I want.
It was an interesting conversation. We talked tactics a bit. I asked him about his ability to displace, so as not to become a fixed target, and to emphasize the need to be thinking about that, and he replied, "I've got very little else to think about, and all day to think about it." LOL
He's on a grand adventure, and he knows it. Any man worth his salt would trade places with him in a heartbeat. I'll pass on your good wishes.
Posted by: Casca at April 07, 2007 08:16 AM (2gORp)
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Kasca,
Despite what you or Shelly may think I wish him a safe return. I may not agree that he is defending me or you from a real threat or that his commander in chief is competent but he is a soldier and doing his job takes courage and committment.
Posted by: strawman at April 07, 2007 12:27 PM (9ySL4)
Posted by: Mike C. at April 08, 2007 05:30 AM (2nDll)
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Hey Red,
DOn't worry, after we get move in proper and all and the kid comes we'll get you a nice new leather collar and a life coach.
Posted by: strawman at April 08, 2007 09:57 AM (9ySL4)
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Straw is especially bitter on Easter because the Jew came back. Good Friday is the ultimate liberal blueballing!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 08, 2007 01:42 PM (G0EXJ)
13we'll get you a nice new leather collar and a life coach.
What the fuck is a life coach? Is that some kind of PC government makework job to inculcate loathing of America, heteros and self? I'm surrounded by a zillion of those every day and it hasn't yet, nor will it ever work.
Speaking of weddings Straw, when is your Daddy #1 going to make an honest man out of Daddy #2?
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 08, 2007 05:29 PM (cOyko)
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Thank you to your son, Casca. My son-in-law just got back from 14 months in Iraq. We owe them and their families a huge debt.
Posted by: MarkD at April 09, 2007 05:42 AM (5vbH6)
Posted by: Casca at April 09, 2007 06:28 AM (Y7t14)
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Red,
It is, if Hillary is elected, going to be a new cabinet level position; Secretary of Life, right down the hall from the office of the Secretary of Peace. They may need an ugly mutt to pace in the front yard so you may have a job opportunity with medical bene's
Posted by: strawman at April 09, 2007 06:35 AM (9ySL4)
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Seconds and Amen's to everyone's hopes for your son's safety, Cas. BTW, is he a Marine, or is he army? Figured the overbearing
influence of his paterfamilias might predispose him to life as a leatherneck, but then again, maybe he's all about blazing his own path and needling his old man about it. 'Specially given that dig 'bout his mom ("Yeah, pop, but funny thing is, I'm the same height as the mailman...").
Hehe...
All kidding aside, kudos and blessings to him and his immediate leadership, who I'm certain are equal to the task of leading fine young soldiers and Marines.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 09, 2007 10:10 AM (xHyDY)
18They may need an ugly mutt to pace in the front yard
No thanks. Either of your wives (from the picture above) are more than qualified.
right down the hall from the office of the Secretary of Peace.
Got news for you genius - there already is a Secretary of Peace. It's called the Secretary of Defense, or the War Department.
Your desperate wet dream of a weak, surrendering and defeatist America will never happen.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 09, 2007 01:04 PM (fWJN4)
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El,
We're coming up on the 25th anniversary of his mother deficating him upon a table in the delivery room at Camp Pendleton. Nine months earlier, the deed having been committed at Quantico, MCB. It truly was in his blood. I tried to wave him off, but we're from a line strong with the need to burn our own fingers.
Posted by: Casca at April 10, 2007 06:49 AM (Y7t14)
A Non-Issue For Me
I am in complete agreement with Jim Geraghty on the Pelosi head-scarf non-controversy.
I enjoy whacking around Nancy Pelosi as much as the next guy, but as far as I can tell, the photos of her in a headscarf are all of her while visiting a mosque. . . . There are a million and one reasons to object to Pelosi, but wearing the headscarf while in the mosque isn't one of them. It's akin to dressing appropriately while visiting a church, or a man wearing a yarmulke in a synagogue. It's something you do when you're a guest. It's not submission, it's respect.
I, too, looked through the entire Yahoo News photos slideshow to find a picture of Pelosi wearing the scarf outside the mosque, and there isn't any. Remember, she visited the tomb of John the Baptist, and made the sign of the cross. Before Vatican II all Catholic women covered their heads in church. I have zero problem with this and I think it hurts our credibility when we make a big stink over a non-issue and try to turn it into something it's not. Pelosi followed the same custom you and I would have done if we were in the same place. In fact, I think American women (myself included) dress far too immodestly in houses of worship. I was impressed when I visited Portugal, and saw young female tourists covering their shoulders before entering a church. So anyways, stick to hating Pelosi because she's an idiot.
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A different version of the facts from the Reform Party of Syria:
http://tryingtogrok.mu.nu/archives/221714.html
Posted by: david foster at April 05, 2007 10:25 AM (VoCcd)
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Annika,
Very reasonable. You had such a good upbringing so how come your politics got so twisted??
There are things that take place in these houses of worship that have made me a little queesy at times. If I am in a church for mass I stand when the congregation stands but i do not kneel when they kneel.
Posted by: strawman at April 05, 2007 11:26 AM (9ySL4)
3"how come your politics got so twisted??"Projecting much?
Posted by: reagan80 at April 05, 2007 01:29 PM (2A8p9)
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She should have been criticized if she DIDN'T wear the headdress.
On a more substantial subject, I don't have any problem with Congressional fact-finding tours per se, nor do I have a problem with a Congressperson noting in the generic that yes, I play a role in the foreign policy of my country. Granted that this confuses some nations that are not used to separation of powers, but if our female government officials are going to wear headdresses in your country, you need to understand that our female government officials have to exercise Constitutional oversight in our country.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 05, 2007 01:41 PM (P8ktI)
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Raygun,
I don't know what I would do without you to point these things out to me. Many thanks.
Posted by: strawman at April 05, 2007 01:43 PM (9ySL4)
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It's a cardinal rule that visitors respect the customs in someone else's country--even more important if you represent your country's government. Doesn't count against her.
Posted by: Joules at April 05, 2007 02:48 PM (u4CYb)
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Nancy submissive? Are you nuts?
No one has ever accused her of being that...
Arrogant, naive, ballsy, rude,scary, confronational, any of these, but sumissive?
Never, never, never. (To paraphrase Winnie)
Posted by: shelly at April 05, 2007 03:21 PM (JQe3J)
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The problem is not that she wore a hijab, it's the fact that she was in syria, a terrorist sponsoring state, trying to undermine the current administration.
Much like Kerry in the 70s, she's in violation of a little thing called the Logan Act.
§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply, himself or his agent, to any foreign government or the agents thereof for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects.
Posted by: Frank at April 06, 2007 07:20 AM (YHZAl)
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I found you quite by accident, and admittedly, this is the first time I've read any remarks made by you, but I just wanted to say, You ALMOST had it right. ALMOST. "Frank" hit the nail on the head. I don't care what Ms. Pelosi wore, or how courteous and respectful she might have been. The only question Americans should be asking, including our Federal prosecutors, is WHAT IS SHE DOING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE? Anyway, I'll drop in from time to time, you sound intersting. Chef
Posted by: Chef at April 06, 2007 10:11 AM (JMWr9)
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Chef,
Unless if Annika comes up with her own "Hockey Chicken" campaign* to keep her from "retiring", you've only got until May 20th before this blog is put out of commission.
*such as meeting all of her Amazon wishlist demands ASAP!
Posted by: reagan80 at April 06, 2007 10:28 AM (I0gpu)
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Reagan, it is a function of the stress of the California Bar Exam. You get one chance, every six (6) months to pass. The pressure is great and the exam lasts three days, eight hours a day.
Thus, I expect her to retire as planned, but, she says she'll occasionally post on something called "Six Meat Buffet", so we can all move over there, except for that one fool who will remain nameless.
Here's the link:
http://www.sixmeatbuffet.com/
Posted by: shelly at April 06, 2007 11:21 AM (JQe3J)
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Thanks for clarifying that, Shelly.
Though in my case, there will be 2 fleas that I won't miss after the curtain finally comes down here.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 06, 2007 12:29 PM (I0gpu)
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Shelly,
Now look what you've gone and done: given me the link.
You know Shelly, just because you don't like me and I don't like you doesn't mean we can't be friends. Some of my best friends are RW jellybean appointee's. Why just the other day, I was on Madison and 57th street and who should come strolling up the avenue?
Posted by: strawman at April 06, 2007 01:28 PM (9ySL4)
Truth Kook Caught On Video By Yours Truly
When I heard crazy Rosie O'Donald shooting off her ignorant bullshit about WTC Building 7, I was reminded of my trip to Ground Zero in July 2003.
As my friend and I walked around the site, we saw a guy standing next to a sign with a bunch of literature. He kept talking about how the WTC was really made up of seven buildings, not just the towers. I thought, "How nice, he's not political at all, he just wants to give people a little history while they tour the site." He kept repeating the exact times that the buildings came down with special emphasis on Building 7. I thought that was odd, but it wasn't until recently that I remembered him and realized that he was a friggin Truther, defiling the scene with his craziness.
On the video I shot, you can't really see him until the very end. In the last frame, I think he's to the right of center, half hidden behind the dude in the white shirt.
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I had to watch it multiple times. It's like trying to analyze the Zapruder film.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 04, 2007 09:03 PM (I0gpu)
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I guess I don't know what this is about. It reminds me of Louis Farrakhan and all the goofy stuff he said during his Million Man March speech. I had a conspiracy theorist carpet cleaner visit our house once. He showed me how you can fold a bill (can't remember if it was a $1 bill or what) so that the Twin Towers are clearly visible, "proving" that our government was involved in the incident. Whew! What do you say to that? Here's your money; you need it to pay your mental health bills.
Posted by: Joules at April 04, 2007 09:26 PM (u4CYb)
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It's clearly the result of the ongoing meth epidemic. Tweekers are all nutjobs. The drug fries their brain. Coinkydink? I think not! Excepting Rosie of course, she's just an angry dyke.
This film is another Annikan ploy to boost her up the ladder of YouTube hits.
Posted by: Casca at April 04, 2007 10:50 PM (2gORp)
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Annika,
Are you referring to the facts concerning the reasons building 7 came down although it was not actually hit very hard?
I thought it was a clearly understood by now that Rudy G. brought it down? Not that most people would put it that way,( but I, a Rudy denigrator do,) but it was his facility, (built on his watch and with his hand pushing it)that, once ignited, led to the total destruction of the building. So, it is only a stretch of a certain type to say that had it not been for Rudy's grandiosity, building 7 would still be standing.
The facility in question was the Office of Emergency Management. I know it well since the plans for the facility landed on my desk. A contractor who was bidding the entire project asked that I bid on the woodworking component. The set of drawings depicted a facility that was so over the top and, even to our woodworker's eyes, ill conceived that I had to be restrained by cooler heads from sending it off to the Daily News. I wanted to begin an investigation as to who was getting rich off of it and who was so dumb that they would place 5000 gallon diesel fuel tanks and generators on the 7th floor and the facility on the 23 floor with great views of the Hudson. Hurricane resistant shutters were proposed for the windows among a myriad of other brain dead ideas. Mostly though, after we laughed at the functional problems we laughed a different kind of laugh at the costly, extensive and totally frivolous woodwork that was called for. If this was supposed to be an emergency facility why did it need a Bubinga paneled conference room when painted sheetrock would have been perfectly reasonable? The rest of the job was quartered cherry, stained and lacquered; again, Formica would have been fine. The bid was nearly 300,000 dollars for a job that could have been done for less than50 thousand in wood working.
So, I don't know exactly what this fellow at GZ was pitching to you, but if this was it, he is correct: Some stupid Motherfker at city hall pushed a pet project of the mayor's and the not so unforeseen consequence was that it contributed to the destruction of the city rather than to the orderly recovery.
Posted by: strawman at April 05, 2007 07:00 AM (9ySL4)
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Straw, I think the point is that some screwy folks believe the US government brought WTC 7 down with explosives. And (in one version of the Conspiracy Fantasy) that Giuliani was the one who gave the order (the dominant fantasy has the owner - Silverstein - ordering the Fire Department to set the explosives off, but there's a subset who believes it was Giuliani's order).
Anni, those dumbass fantasy dwellers have been hanging around Ground Zero quite a bit. Some of the other blogs - Screw Loose Change, etc - have members who occasionally go out to counter them when they're in the area. But it's hard to take time out of your life to fight obsessive stupidity, so it's not like there's someone to counter those folks every day. And yeah: "Defiling" is the proper term. "Desecrating" is another one I favor.
Whoops, back to Straw - Respectfully, minor, tiny nitpick: Saying WTC7 wasn't hit "very hard" may be a bit misleading. Engineers' opinions were that the damage from falling debris, as extensive as it was, by itself may not have been enough to bring the building down without the presence of the fires. So in a way, you're correct: It wasn't hit very hard in the sense that "hard" means "enough to bring the building down all by itself". But the damage was extensive enough to where the fires were able weaken everything else to the point of collapse. Sorry to nitpick, but there're folks out there who keep on insisting that the damage to WTC 7 wasn't bad at all, so only controlled demolition could account for it's fall. I wanted to draw the distinction between "not hard enough by itself to account for the collapse" and "hardly damaged at all". I know what you're saying, I'm merely clarifying for some others who may come along and stumble across this post and think "Hey, someone who believes in controlled demolition!"
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 05, 2007 11:22 AM (xHyDY)
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Humono,
I don't disgree with any of what you say. I used "not hit too had" to mean as you say, not enough to collapse it but certainly plenty of damage. Without the diesel fuel fire it certainly would be standing until it went the way of the Deutch Bank building scheduled for demo due to contamination.
Posted by: strawman at April 05, 2007 01:40 PM (9ySL4)
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The bottom 10 floors of WTC7 were severely damaged.
Posted by: Mark at April 06, 2007 08:51 AM (2MrBP)
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True, Mark. Again, I'm trying to draw a distinction between "hit hard enough to fall from the act of being hit by debris alone" and "hardly damaged". Too many folks out there continue to insist that WTC 7 was "hardly damaged". While it may not have fallen without the fires (I need to soften the "wouldn't have" stance; will explain why in a minute), there was severe damage done; Fire Chief John Norman describes the edge of the south face as "heavily damaged", and also repored a "huge gaping hole" in that face.
Also: Going back over the testimony of the involved firefighters, I see that there were many battalion chiefs who judged that WTC 7 was going to fall, and a few of them don't attribute that suspicion to fire damage. Rather, they talk about structural damage alone. The last stuff I've read in debates have pretty much followed the NIST line that all the WTC buildings (1, 2, 7, and the others not involved in conspiracy fantasies) fell due to a combo of fire and damage, not one or the other alone. But going over the testimony I haven't read in months brings back to the fore that many firefighters were talking about impact damage, or effects from them, not fire weakening.
I need to review all that stuff again sometime soon. I'd forgotten that early testimony.
Also, Straw brings up the diesel tanks. I though they were in the basement myself (need to look that up again), but regardless, everyone knew they were there. Recorded testimony references the cut diesel lines which fed the fires for hours, and also records the fact that firemen were taken away from firefighting in order to concentrate on human rescue operations, thus explaining why they weren't ever put out. All this is ignored by the conspiracy fantasy pushers in favor of claiming "controlled demolition".
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 06, 2007 02:53 PM (J+r3D)
Capitulation Works
I suppose we should all be happy that the crisis over the kidnapped Royal Marines looks like it's coming to a peaceful end. But something doesn't feel right about the way this thing has turned out.
I mean, Britain was patrolling the Gulf for a reason, right? And whether the Marines were kidnapped outside of Iranian waters or inside, the Iranians have quite forcefully demonstrated their power to win a showdown, anytime, anywhere.
The British could have won this confrontation, gaining the marines' release, without showing the world what a bunch of groveling patsies they've become. But instead, they've given the world another reason for a false hope: that you can deal with the Iranians as long as you avoid making them mad.
And don't think I'm letting President Bush off lightly in my scorn. Sure he talked tough while it was the Brits in captivity. But this administration has done nothing except pusue diplomatic impotence, while the Iranians built more centrifuges, and yanked our chains. Where is the Iranian Lech Walensa? Where is the Iranian Solidarity movement? Does anyone think the Iron Curtain fell on its own? We pushed it over. Reagan pushed it over. The means he used weren't always open and obvious, but by this time in Reagan's second term, we could see the effects. I've been hearing about Iranian dissidents and how sick the people are of the mullahs for years now. If that's so true, we should be seeing some actual dissent over there, demonstrations, labor strikes. Again I ask, where are President Bush and Secretary Rice on this issue?
Great Britain just made the likelihood of eventual military confrontation between Iran and the West more likely. What are we doing to prevent it by toppling the dictatorship before that happens?
Update: A comment by Cruiser at The Belmont Club made the following very cogent point:
We always hear that acting aggressively towards Iran shores-up the hardliners. This is an good example of why the opposite can be true.
Update 2: In 2005, after the London bombings, I asked, "Where is this Britiain?" I'm now sure of the answer. It no longer exists. Blair has made a mockery of James Thomson's stirring poem, and it should never be sung again, except in sarcasm.
Yes the Britain of Lord Nelson is dead. And so is the Britain of Lord Churchill who, in 1940, said:
[B]e the ordeal sharp or long, or both, we shall seek no terms, we shall tolerate no parley; we may show mercy—we shall ask for none.
Yes, that Britain is dead as dead can be. Mourn it.
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Wait... Anni, I don't get you here. The Iranian's are getting jack s*** for releasing the sailors. The most concrete thing they've received is a formal letter from Britan promising "not to violate Iranian waters". Which is pretty much akin to telling a fish not to swim out of water; the Brit's never violated Iranian territory, and saying they won't do so in the future is merely saying "continue on as before". In return, the British were able to keep negotiations private, wasn't forced to grovel, upstaged the UN for their US allies (anyone remember that the Brits were there under "UN" auspices?).
The Iranian's get to pat themselves on the back in the media with their condescending remarks about "proper" negotiating stances, but if that and the letter is all they get for releasing the sailors, they get practically nothing. They've not dissuaded the UN to reconsider the nuclear sanctions. They've definitely not gotten their "diplomats" (*cough*) from Irbil back. And they've proven to the US Navy that they're willing to take actions outside their own waters, which just provides the US Navy cover to be more aggressive about defending itself if approached by armed Iranians. If said Iranians try to pull this stunt now, on the US navy, they'll get a whole lot of gunfire in return, and the US will have a ready-made justification handed to them on a silver platter by the Iranians ("They captured the Brits before; that's why we were on such a high state of alert. Sorry about sinking their ships and killing their personnel, but they shouldn't have come at us with weapons. Next question...").
The Iranian's blew their wad and got nothing concrete in return. The most they can claim is a slight publicity victory, and even that's lame, given the fact the US is holding 300+ Iranians involved in combat in Iraq. They come off as hypocrites in crying about a handful of Brits in a peaceful area when they've been caught red-handed with so many of their own personnel assisting insurgents in combat areas.
I don't see how this is any sort of real victory for the Iranians. To me, they backed down before something bad was inflicted on them, and they're trying to cover their caving with talk of "gifts" to Britan and other condescensions. That's the attitude of a loser, not a winner.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 04, 2007 10:55 AM (J+r3D)
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I don't think we can really draw parallels between the Cold War and the post Cold War. When Communism was run out of Eastern Europe, some (not all) of the countries DID become more democratic, more capitalistic, and more easily integratable into the world community. Yet the governments that have been overthrown in the Middle East have not followed the same script. The overthrow of the Shah in Iran led to the current regime, and the overthrow of Saddam Hussein is going to result in a dictatorship (or perhaps three separate dictatorships). And I can just imagine what would happen if the Saudi government were overthrown; I don't think we're going to get a multi-party, multi-religious haven of freedom if THAT happens. And don't even mention the overthrow of Rhodesia.
The successful transitions in Poland and South Africa resulted from (1) having a well-defined oppposition that was poised to take over, and (2) having a ruling government that was eventually willing to assist in the transition.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 04, 2007 10:59 AM (Kkft8)
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Just read ElMondo's comment, and I respectfully disagree. 25+ years ago, when the Iranians took hostages in the past, they were condemned as a rogue regime outside of the community of nations. They gain a TON of good PR in the world just by acting reasonably.
The next time there's a confrontation between the West and Iran, significant parts of the world will shout, "Hey, why are you picking on Iran? They let the sailors play chess and then released them. How can you call them a rogue regime, you fascist cowboys?"
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 04, 2007 11:03 AM (GT9eg)
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Mondo, you're not one of those who thinks Israel "won" against Hezbollah last summer too?
Emperor, of course I'm not making a comparison to say that the situations are identical or that the same thing that happened in the 80's would work in Iran. For one thing, we had a polish pope back then, but there's no comparable guy who can influence Iranians religiously. But my point is that I am seeing nothing, NOTHING happening over there. As in Iraq, Bush is making the mistake of thinking he has all the time in the world. Pursue diplomacy, then if that don't work, go to the next step? Isolation? ooooh scary, isolation. as if they care. We should be multitasking this problem, especially since anybody with a brain knows the Iranians won't respond to diplomacy. They don't think we have anything to offer them worth negotiating for.
Posted by: annika at April 04, 2007 11:11 AM (zAOEU)
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If anything the Iranians are practically being hailed as heroes for releasing hostages by the Left-wing MSM. Listening to CNN, you'd never know that the Iranians commited an act of war. And for that act, there was absolutely zero response. The European West is comprised of effete socialists who haven't the moral or physical courage to stand up for themselves. (But, hey, no worries they are really, really worried about "global warming." Gee, I feel safer already.)
And, I have to disagree with ElMondoHummus: the Iranians did win something here. First of all, they won big monetarily with the price of oil increasing during the stand-off. And they proved - yet again - that they can do anything they like and the West will piss itself out of fear before actually responding. They made the Brits and the West look like fools.
The Midget and the mullahs wins that round.
Posted by: blu at April 04, 2007 11:14 AM (Z0MKU)
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Given the current rigime, war with Iran is inevitble. The question is where and when. I'd say over the Iraq/Iran border, because they will never stop meddling, sometime in the Guliani or Gingrich administration.
Posted by: Casca at April 04, 2007 12:25 PM (Y7t14)
Posted by: shelly at April 04, 2007 02:40 PM (JQe3J)
8"They gain a TON of good PR in the world just by acting reasonably."
In turn, respectfully disagree sir. First of all, they didn't act "reasonably"; threatening to charge a uniformed member of a nation's military with espionage, especially when carrying out a UN mission, is the furthest thing from being reasonable. And then suddenly letting them go without carrying through on the threat, but trumpeting how they could but they choose not to? That's the act of someone scared of keeping the sailors, not the act of someone confident they had the upper hand. If they were seriously concerned, they wouldn't have let them go for nothing. By turning them loose, they admitted how weak their hand was. Remember, they got no deflection from the UN sanctions, nor did they get the return of the supposed Irbil "diplomats" (expertise: Diplomatically training bombmakers). They got jack in return. And Great Britan didn't even threaten them with anything other than negotiations. England played their hand in a surprisingly weak, pissy way, and Iran still gave the sailors up. What does it say about Iran that they let the sailors go with no more than a finger-wag from the Brits?
"The next time there's a confrontation between the West and Iran, significant parts of the world will shout, "Hey, why are you picking on Iran? They let the sailors play chess and then released them. How can you call them a rogue regime, you fascist cowboys?""
Pffft... the idiots will say that anyway. Nothing that Iran does or does not do, or more pertinently, what Great Britan does or does not do, will change the idiot parade's predictable chant. Plus, I don't see them getting any more than an ounce of good PR from this. Everyone knows that right before the kidnappings, the UN sanctioned their nuke program. Who isn't going to put 2 and 2 together? Only the ones that wouldn't agree with the US or UK on anything anyway. Screw those guys. Everyone else sees the power play, and the attempt to deflect. Iran's being terribly transparent here.
I see what you're trying to say, Ontario, I just don't think it applies here.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 04, 2007 02:59 PM (xHyDY)
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Anni: No, I don't, but the Israel/Hezbollah situation is entirely different. Both of them somehow managed to lose, which before last summer, I never would've thought was possible. Plus, international pressure and that UN deadline was what got Hez to stop shooting rockets and Israel to withdraw. Contrast that to Iran, which just unilaterally dumped off the sailors. They basically gave up without getting anything real in return.
Again, Britan played weak, but the Iranians somehow ended up playing weaker. They didn't even try to string the situation out. They just let the sailors go. That's not a power play.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 04, 2007 03:02 PM (xHyDY)
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WHAT???!! Wait... whoa... this changes everything!:
http://formerspook.blogspot.com/2007/04/linkage.html"Another Iranian diplomat, captured in Baghdad two months ago, has apparently been released. At the time of his abduction, the diplomat's captors were described as "unifomed gunmen," although their identity was never officially disclosed. A senior Iraqi government official told the Associated Press that his country's intelligence service was holding the diplomat, who was set free this morning"
Okay, if the sailor release was a quid pro quo for releasing the "diplomat" (if anyone believes it's really a diplomat), then scratch everything I said. Because if the US released a prisoner for the British hostages, then the Iranian's did get something in return. And that does give them a victory.
And it's made me mad on top of that. If that is indeed related, then I'm steaming pissed. You never, never pay the Danegeld, because once you do, you never get rid of the Dane.
That better not be related. Else the US and GB were the ones doing the caving.
Anni, Ontario, Blu: If that link is accurate, I may have to hand this one to you guys. My whole argument was predicated on Iran getting nothing in return. This has the potential to undo that.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 04, 2007 03:23 PM (xHyDY)
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looks like you found the Turkish missiles, Mondo.
Posted by: annika at April 04, 2007 03:47 PM (zAOEU)
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Here is Iran's real objective: http://patdollard.com/2007/03/25/leverage/
Here is another take on it: http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribune/07/front2454186.013888889.html
And here is a little better summation of it all: http://patdollard.com/2007/04/04/told-you-so/
Posted by: Joatmoaf at April 04, 2007 04:10 PM (ls2Sh)
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Annie:
Of course capitulation works;how else does any woman catch a man?
My father used to say "I chased her and chased her until she caught me".
Posted by: shelly at April 04, 2007 05:08 PM (JQe3J)
14Roach made an interesting entry on "Fourth Generation" Warfare, not long ago.
I also liked Glaivester's comment there:
As William Lind pointed out, there is a way for nation-states to defeat fourth generation warfare with second generation techniques (the nuke suggestion).
The problem, of course, is that second generation techniques and superior technology can only defeat fourth generation enemies by engaging in macro-terrorism (i.e. raze cities to the ground until everyone submits, and respond to "parallel structures" by savage retaliation [any soldier of ours killed, we will kill 1000 people in the area, including, if we can find who they are, the attackers' entire family]).
Hopefully, the West will only have to lose 25,000 more of its citizens in a single attack before getting pissed enough at the Muslim world to put Lind's remedies into action.
If there is a war against Iran, it better be a "scorched earth" campaign that would make Sherman proud. No more of this nation-building and peacekeeping bullshit for our troops. To Hell with them...
Posted by: reagan80 at April 04, 2007 08:06 PM (I0gpu)
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As you know, Reagan, I've blogged several times on the fourth generation warfare problem. Your solution, while sounding attractive, is impractical because no civilized nation would threaten such a thing, and the plan doesn't work unless there's advanced notice. No, the only solution is to force the enemy into a conventional war, where we can master them. Or, as I have posited, and which is far more likely, to wait for the enemy to become so powerful that they make the mistake of taking us on in conventional warfare. Until then, despite the imbalance in power in our favor, we in the west will continue to grovel bow and scrape before our inferiors riding camels.
Posted by: annika at April 04, 2007 08:59 PM (WfR6S)
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I figured Ahmagetajob wasn't going to do anything. No matter what they say, I don't think they're dumb enough to think they could do something to those soldiers without repercussions, especially when our military forces are right there in their neighborhood.
Posted by: Joules at April 04, 2007 09:32 PM (u4CYb)
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Yes, I remember you mentioning 4GW before, and I probably posted the same Derb link then, as well.
"because no civilized nation would threaten such a thing"
I'm afraid you might be right about that, but I can still dream, can't I?
Another idea would be to outsource our war against Iran to the Chinese. After we topple the regime, tell the PLA that they can have complete control over Iran's oil reserves if only they'd supply the manpower to keep the locals and jihadists in check(Tiananmen-style, if necessary) on our behalf. We'd even provide them the logistics support and air/sea transportation to get their troops into the theater.
The Chi-Coms would get their oil and lebensraum while we can wash our hands of Iran after stopping their nuclear program. Our troops wouldn't be dying from a post-invasion occupation and the Chinese won't care about suffering casualties since they want to control their own population's growth anyway(via mandatory abortions). Another fringe benefit of this expedition would include giving Chinese men a chance to find a woman.
Sure, I might be channeling General Ripper now, but it won't sound so crazy as time goes on.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 04, 2007 10:38 PM (I0gpu)
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Shit, is Bill Lind still alive?
So how do you think that Sharafi fellow liked the waterboard? If we sent him back, we must have turned him. If we didn't turn him, we'll make them think that we did, mwahahahaha, win-win.
Posted by: Casca at April 04, 2007 11:04 PM (2gORp)
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Anni, I agree completely with your implied strategic and tactical recommendation, which you've mentioned in the past as well.
Posted by: will at April 05, 2007 04:56 AM (GzvlQ)
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I don't think I disagree with anything you have to say, Anni, except that Winston never actually got around to accepting a peerage (he was supposedly leaning towards taking the title Duke of London).
Posted by: Leif at April 05, 2007 08:28 AM (n7rBV)
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Still steaming... that better not have been related.
But I'm not finding anything to the contrary. Which pisses me off. There's no reason to negotiate with thuggery.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 05, 2007 11:25 AM (xHyDY)
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On the 25th anniversary of the Falklands Islands recapture.. interesting contrast for the Royal Navy...
Posted by: Col Steve at April 06, 2007 12:12 PM (WffUy)
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They got lucky in the Falklands. If the Argies had any starch in their shorts at all, they'd have kicked the Brits collective ass. A great example of how leadership and morale can carry the day. The weaker force had it. The Argies... not so much.
It's dismaying to hear a Royal Marine Captain explain how he folded his hand instead of holding his bluff. We'll have to see how the next hand gets played.
Posted by: Casca at April 06, 2007 11:59 PM (2gORp)
McCain Loses First Primary
John McCain just lost his first primary this season: the "fundraising primary."
Sen. John McCain today announced a disappointing $12.5 million fundraising total for the first three months of 2007.
The total, which would have been impressive in past election cycles, finds McCain trailing GOP rivals Mitt Romney and Rudolph Giuliani in the crucial early money sweepstakes.
Romney, the former Massachusetts governor who has struggled in the national polls, reported $23 million in primary election contributions, including more than $2 million of his own money. The Federal Election Commission allows candidates to collect money for their primary and general election campaigns simultaneously.
Giuliani, the Republican frontrunner in national surveys, took in more than $15 million in primary cash, including more than $10 million last month. He also transferred about $2 million from another campaign account for a total of $17 million.
This is not good news for McCain, but it's good news for America.
Memo to Senator McCain: The mainstream media is not a constituency. You pissed off the wrong people with your Gang of 14 - anti-free speech - dumbing down the definition of "torture" - Democrats are people too, views. Money flows to candidates that can win the nomination. You can't win. It's time to leave the field to Giuliani and Romney and stop sucking up attention that should be going to the legitimate candidates.
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Seconded, except for the get out of the race stuff. His comments in support of the war are helpful, and while he's running, he's trying to say nice things to us.
Posted by: Casca at April 02, 2007 01:41 PM (Y7t14)
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Thirded. As far as I'm concerned, Romney is the ONLY viable candidate for the GOP right now.
Posted by: Dan at April 02, 2007 02:32 PM (IHDHe)
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I wonder if Romney believes that he is going to be in charge of his own planet someday, making celestial babies with his wife for all eternity (a Mormon belief). Kind of makes it hard to vote for him if he's a devout Mormon.
Posted by: Joules at April 02, 2007 04:40 PM (u4CYb)
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Romney is a nobody. A somebody always beats a nobody. He won't be the candidate.
Posted by: Casca at April 02, 2007 09:15 PM (2gORp)
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Don't ALL politicians believe that they're rulers of their own planets? I wouldn't hold that against Romney. Frankly I haven't really investigated him (other than hearing noises about his supposed flip-flops). Then again, I'll probably investigate Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo before I look at the other ones...
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 02, 2007 09:27 PM (P8ktI)
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Still very early in the contest and more entrants are walking through the door (more to adjust tenor of the debate, no doubt). McCain's moderate supporters wince at his support of Bush, while the conservative crowd reviles his wont of the center. Watch for a spoiler...
Posted by: will at April 03, 2007 04:50 AM (GzvlQ)
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Way, way too early to talk about anything substantial. The money is important, but Mitt had a spurt and John was asleep. Let's look again in a few months.
Meanwhile, don't forget to vote in Annie's polls, especially the one about Florida's Bitches.
I hear their are changing their color to pink and calling themselves "Big Pink".
Posted by: shelly at April 03, 2007 07:04 PM (JQe3J)
Confrontation can be avoided through capitulation, and no Western nation is willing to insist that Iran adhere to any norms of behavior.
. . .
Why put European ships or planes outside of European territorial waters when that will only guarantee a crisis in which Europeans are kidnapped and held as hostages or used as bargaining chips to force political concessions?
Indeed. Why do the Europeans bother pretending that they have any spine at all?
Royal Marines don't apologize. Not willingly. But so what? They don't need to, eventually their government apologizes for them.
What we need here is not "de-escalation" rhetoric. The Iranians are playing the same hand they played in '79, because they know it works. Somebody needs to look them in the eye and say "not this time." But nobody is willing to do it. And so if nobody has the guts, why bother pretending? They should all just go home.
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Exactly. Well said by both VDH and Annika. The left-wing jibberish spouted by the Euros places them in a tough position when the barbarians start acting out. These effete appeasers don't know what to do if pandering and blaming the Jews doesn't work. (Actually, at some point, I'm sure the "Palestinian Issue" will somehow be weaved into the Iranian demands.)
Posted by: blu at March 30, 2007 11:10 AM (Z0MKU)
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Iran has declining oil output and is facing bankruptcy. Every time they create an incident oil shoots up from $55 a barrel to $70 a barrel.
In effect the West pays Iran to raise hell, and Iran will continue to do so to keep oil prices up.
Posted by: Jake at March 30, 2007 11:32 AM (V6rxT)
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We're not at the endgame yet. Let's see what happens. If nothing has been done after a couple more weeks, I'll have to agree with you. It takes time to arrange something big, and this is a great opportunity to hit their nuke sites, along with their navy.
Posted by: Casca at March 30, 2007 05:23 PM (2gORp)
McCain Was Almost A Democrat?
Who knows if this story is true? The source is two former Democratic lawmakers, who say that McCain's chief of staff approached them in 2001 about McCain switching parties. The chief of staff denies it, although he's now a Democrat himself, which is bad enough for McCain. Of course in these types of things, it doesn't really matter if the story is true, all that matters is that the story is out there, and it fits the narrative.
McCain may be done.
My prediction for the next big Republican drama: H. Ross Thompson. Will he or won't he? (Fuck everything up, that is.)
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Does having a good candidate fuck things up? For who?
This race is a long way from the finish; how can our host justify leaving in 60 days (or less)?
Annie, you will have to answer to a higher authority. Maybe I should grade your Bar Exam answers?
Posted by: shelly at March 29, 2007 04:42 PM (JQe3J)
Posted by: reagan80 at March 29, 2007 05:18 PM (pTNVX)
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McCain has to be a Democrat because MSM loves him. That disqualifies him from every job except for night watchman in a girls' dormitory.
Posted by: Jake at March 29, 2007 07:17 PM (V6rxT)
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I don't see that he can pull a Perot. If anything, he'll be a solid conservative candidate that the Republican base can finally rally around. He won't have the liberal social issues to face that McCain and Giuliani have, and the people who have no idea what his name is will remember his face from Law and Order.
I think Thompson may fuck things up for the current front runners, but only by the fact that he will sprint passed them both at the finish line.
Posted by: Frank at March 29, 2007 08:45 PM (Jk/pP)
Posted by: Casca at March 29, 2007 08:47 PM (2gORp)
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I'll tell you how H. Ross can fuck things up. According to the latest Fox News poll, he is already stealing 10% from the legitimate candidates, YET 53% of respondents never heard of him!
Posted by: annika at March 29, 2007 10:49 PM (WfR6S)
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My gut feeling is, he won't get into the race, but any of the front runners would do well to connvince him to be a running mate. Personally I am OK with either Giuliani or Romney. In a perfect world we get another Ronald Reagan, but it aint a perfect world. And either one would be a better president IMO than G W Bush.
I carried water for Bush because he was right on a few important issues, but the incompetance and fecklessness of this administration is horrible.
Posted by: kyle N at March 30, 2007 03:44 AM (dPrxc)
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Kyle, you also carried water for Bush because the alternatives (Gore, Kerry) were too horrible to imagine.
That's why most of us will support the Republican candidate this time around as well, because Shillary Ramrod will be too horrible to imagine as President of the United States of America.
Casca, Newt will be Secretary of State, and I predict, a great one. He has forgotten more history than most of our Secretaries ever knew.
But, sadly, he just isn't electable as President, maybe VP for Rudy might just work.
Posted by: shelly at March 30, 2007 06:47 AM (JQe3J)
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Shelly, don't let the CW wash what you know to be true out of your brain. It's too early to be predicting a winner, let alone who will be in the race. He's one televised Republican debate away from being the frontrunner.
Posted by: Casca at March 30, 2007 07:26 AM (Y7t14)
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Shelly's right.
Bush may have been possessed by LBJ, but the GOP has plenty of Nixon wannabes to replace him while the Dems only have McGovern-ites.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 30, 2007 07:30 AM (I0gpu)
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Hey all. Maybe it's the long hours I've been pulling, but I can't stop giggling when I think about my new dream ticket:
Newt & Joe. The lizard and the Jew. Raw, inside-the-beltway political effectiveness meets principled, independent respectibility. I like the combo so much I still don't know which one would be my prez & which would be my veep. It makes *such* a good t-shirt.
Between Obama & Hillary, democrats are getting all the "First [X] President Ever" attention. First Jewish president ever? First reptilian president ever? Can't beat that.
Posted by: max at March 30, 2007 09:03 AM (dLe9c)
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Still too early one way or another, except for those candidates that have dropped out. A number of candidates have come from the middle or back of the primary pack, i.e, Carter, Reagan, Clinton, for starters. What a circus we are in the midst of indeed.
Posted by: will at March 30, 2007 09:25 AM (GzvlQ)
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I really hate it when Will is right.
Still too early to tell. (But, my bet regarding Newt still stands, Casca.)Rush just spent a few minutes talking about how the MSM is beginning to hammer Rudy. So, we will soon learn how firm his support actually is. (He's my preferred candidate, so I hope he survives.)
Another right-wing, Southern white boy ain't gonna cut this time folks. The Dems are either going to come with a female or a black on some part of their ticket. PC or not, our side needs to show a similar capacity to move beyond the standard red/blue tie, white male for both Prez and VP.
Be interesting to see how it all shakes out. Regardless, '08 is gonna be a tough sell for Reps - especially the way this war has been executed and is being portrayed by the media.
Posted by: blu at March 30, 2007 10:26 AM (Z0MKU)
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Hillary/McCain vs. Giuliani/Thompson or Giuliani/Newt
who wins? ack.
re: kyle's comments on Bush: we don't have to revere Geo Bush as Geo Washington, yet, I believe, he will be very well regarded by history. He deserves better than to be casually dismissed. Perhaps you are too young to remember the venomous in office criticisms of Clinton, Bush I, and Reagan(!). I remember them. These Presidents were excoriated. Apparantly Jerry Ford as well. Now, having passed, both Reagan and Jerry Ford are respected as they never were while in office. The job is tough. DC is a nest of vipers. The electorate is fickle. We could be doing a lot worse, a LOT worse, than having Geo Bush in office.
Posted by: gcotharn at March 30, 2007 10:44 AM (n+fl+)
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"He deserves better than to be casually dismissed."
I agree.
However, he might have invented perpetual motion...
...in the form of Reagan spinning in his grave.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 30, 2007 11:36 AM (I0gpu)
16Countdown To The End Of Annika's Journal...Søndag 20 Maj 2007 23:59:59 [-08:00]WTF? Why? Are you spending the summer groupying for Phish?
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 30, 2007 01:59 PM (qlNCk)
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Where have you been, Red?
She has to study for the California Bar Exam. Three years of school and three months of prepping for three days of testing.
Pass rates usually in low 40's.
It is daunting to face; give the girl a break.
Posted by: shelly at March 31, 2007 01:13 AM (JQe3J)
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Gothern,
Sure, we coulda had Strom or an autistic child after that I'm ata loss unless you will admit Warner cartoon characters.
Posted by: strawman at April 02, 2007 10:14 AM (9ySL4)
Bronco Bomber Polling
Is it racist for a liberal to say "I like Obama, but I'm supporting Hillary because America's not ready to elect a black president?"*
Whether or not it's racist, that kind of attitude betrays a characteristic pessimism and contempt for America that many liberals hold but won't admit. The psychological term is called "projection," where a person attributes oneÂ’s own unacceptable or unwanted thoughts and emotions onto another. Liberals are famous for projecting their own faults, so it wouldn't surprise me if there were a few closet racists in the Democratic party.
I know it's early, but Hillary still isn't beating Giuliani in head-to-head matchups, and I can't understand why Obama isn't gaining traction with Democrats. In almost every aspect, he's a better candidate for the liberals. Consistent on the war (despite the latest Clinton lie, he never flip-flopped), more likeable, a better speaker, less political baggage, got more integrity, etc., etc. And because he's from a new generation, nominating Obama over Hillary represents a step forward, not a step back.
Plus, if Giuliani gets the Republican nomination, I think Obama is the tougher matchup. Let's look at the polling.
The RealClearPolitics average has Obama losing to Giuliani by only 2.2%, whereas Queen Hillary loses to the Mayor by 4.5%. Those numbers seem close, but remember they're averages of about 4 or 5 different polls. The key is that Obama wins two of the five polls averaged in the Giuliani/Obama matchup, with Giuliani winning the other three. By contrast all four polls in the hypothetical Giuliani/Clinton matchup swing for Giuliani.
Both Hillary and Obama run neck-and-neck against McCain, but I'd give Obama the edge. RealClearPolitics has Obama beating John McCain by 1%, while Hillary loses to McCain by 1.6%. I know, I know, margin of error. But in McCain vs. Obama, McCain has the same problems as Hillary. There's a large swath of people who will never vote for the man (myself included), and his generation represents a step back, not forward.
In other matchups, while Clinton beats Romney convincingly, Obama beats Romney going away. Obama's average lead over Romney is almost 20%, and is 7.1 points higher than Hillary's lead. Actually, even John Edwards polls better against Romney than Hillary does. There's no chance that Romney could ever beat any Democrat in the general election.
Things are changing on the Democratic side, however. In the west and the south, Obama has apparently pulled dead even with Hillary. She still retains a two to one lead in the northeast. With the new über-Tuesday election giving more weight to the big states, it's going to be anybody's race, especially if Obama can take California. Even though I'm voting Republican, I'd so love to see Obama beat Hillary. I hate coronations.
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* I realize I'm vulnerable to the same criticism, since I have always scoffed at the Romney candidacy. But the reason I don't think Romney can win is not because he's a Mormon. It's because he's a nobody, he looks plastic, and the country is in the middle of an anti-conservative backlash right now. Romney's been marketed as the conservative's conservative, and that's not going to go over well in the general. By contrast, Giuliani has crossover appeal because he's the anti-conservative conservative. His liberal social views make him more acceptable to the average general election voter, who fancies him or herself more "tolerant" than the typical primary voter.
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I am on record as having said, a long time ago, that I do not believe Hilary could ever be elected president. I stand by that. Presidential candidates, when it gets close to election time, are scrutinized very closely by that part of the public who normally are not very political. And they are the swing voters.
They will never vote for such a shrill woman.
Posted by: kyle N at March 24, 2007 02:25 PM (b3yka)
Posted by: annika at March 24, 2007 02:38 PM (WfR6S)
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It's TSTT, too soon to tell. That's why we have campaigns. The Clintonistas own the levers of power in the D party. O'bama will be the VP candidate if he plays nice. He'll be stupid if he doesn't take that deal, since he probably isn't in a position to win reelection in Illinois against a real candidate.
The Clintons should both be getting out of prison about now. Instead, they're in position to move back into the White House to steal more furniture. It's a mistake to dismiss them, no matter how venal and grating they may be to the sensibilities of anyone who has their eyes open.
Posted by: Casca at March 24, 2007 03:15 PM (2gORp)
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As one who has been married many times, I have to say I like the idea of a Giuliani White House where the president and the First Lady each have two ex-spouses.
And I still believe John Edwards is the most electable of all three major candidates on the Democratic side. He'll team up with Bill Richardson as his Veep; Giuliani can pick up Mike Huckabee, and it'll be a very interesting battle.
Posted by: Hugo at March 24, 2007 04:09 PM (ApisT)
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Giuliani does have crossover appeal. Maybe I'm projecting - b/c I calmly accept that no candidate will ever agree with every one of my own beliefs - but I don't think conservatives will stay away from voting for Giuliani, assuming he is the Repub nominee. There are lots of issues, and conservative voters are accustomed to their candidates disagreeing with them on some issues. Giuliani will be no different.
I hear one liberal commenter after another proclaim that conservatives will not vote for Giuliani. I think they are scamming, and/or projecting their own rigidity. They have zero self knowledge. They cannot see it is them who are truly the rigid voters. They cannot see it is them who would vote their abortion views above all else. Every time they scornfully denounce some perception they have about "the religious right", they are opening a window for us to look inside them.
I still love Giuliani. But, I would have to look hard at Fred Thompson also. Things are awfully entertaining for March, 2007.
Posted by: gcotharn at March 24, 2007 05:36 PM (n+fl+)
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Giuliani with Gingrich could beat anyone the Dem's throw at them.
Can it happen? I don't think so, bu5 I'd go to the wall for that slate.
Posted by: shelly at March 24, 2007 10:59 PM (JQe3J)
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Giuliani Gingrich would be a great ticket. But anybody who thinks Thompson is the savior is dreaming. Sure, he's a solid conservative, but he can't beat Hillary.
Posted by: annika at March 26, 2007 02:19 PM (zAOEU)
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Fred Thompson is like the back up QB, he is always the fan's favorite, until he gets on the field.
Posted by: kyle N at March 26, 2007 04:11 PM (frqsE)
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I'm "anyone", and I'm dreaming of Fred Thompson kicking Hillary's ass. Fred has charisma, and he looks at many issues exactly as I do.
Buuuut, what do I know? I liked George Allen, I like Mitt Romney, and I think Duncan Hunter might someday be me President.
Posted by: gcotharn at March 26, 2007 05:39 PM (n+fl+)
Posted by: gcotharn at March 26, 2007 05:40 PM (n+fl+)
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Duncan is an honest to goodness white knight. On the downside, he's from a solid R district, and one doesn't learn political skills running against weak opposition. Sadly, it shows.
Posted by: Casca at March 26, 2007 06:23 PM (2gORp)
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How about Giuliani and Thompson? I am on record as thinking Giuliani will be the next President, but I haven't really come up with a good VP candidate for him. Thompson would be a good choice in many ways--As a southern Conservative he balances the ticket geographically, and would reassure those Republicans who are worried about Giuliani's social views, he is a serious individual who is respected on both sides of the political divide, etc. Personally, I think a Giuliani-Thompson ticket would be very difficult for the Democrats to counter. OTOH, I wonder if Thompson is serious about running for President, much less willing to consider the second spot, and he has a few stumbling blocks in his past, too.
Posted by: DBrooks at March 26, 2007 08:01 PM (VA3Jg)
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It is time for Barack to implode. The articles calling attention to his lies in his Selma speech are the beginning of the end.
The Clintons are getting ready to bury him; there will not be enough left of him to get him reelected back to the Senate.
Mark my words; Bronco Bomber is done. Put a fork in him.
Posted by: AntonioVdeLA at March 27, 2007 03:28 AM (JQe3J)
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Can someone explain to me how Giuliani is a "conservative"?
Posted by: Mark at March 27, 2007 12:12 PM (2MrBP)
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Mark,
He's not. He is a law and order democrat who supports a womenÂ’s right to choose, gun control because protecting cops is more important to him than some vaporous and childish idea about a "right" to bare arms and he will impose fiscal responsibility unlike spend the spend thrift conservatives. He will, I feel, retreat from the pointless non-war on terror in Iraq and maybe make stabilizing Afghanistan a priority. Nor is he a religious man and the lobbying efforts of the christo-fascist segment of our populace will fall on deaf ears. No ten commandments in his courtrooms, and a great deal of other religious bullshit that permeates our current whorehouse of a Whitehouse. Rudy will not withhold money from clinics that don't preach abstinence, will spend on stem cell research because he doesnÂ’t suffer from that brain lock about protected life beginning at first division of cells. In other words he is neither frightening nor an insult to reasonable people. I received a fund raising letter on behalf of Rudy the other day from a friend who supports him. A wealthy, liberal, NY Jewish lawyer (Doc PomusÂ’s brother) who like most people I know has nothing but distain for the Republican Party and the Imperial Chimp but who is a good friend of RudyÂ’s and thinks highly of him.
So I don't know what you are all wishing for? I would not be happy if he won but neither would I be a tenth as appalled and embarrassed as I am now with this ignorant and inept son of a bitch whose administrationÂ’s biggest challenge, and one that they blow every time, seems to be keeping their lies straight. Goodbye Speedy G.
Posted by: strawman at March 27, 2007 01:02 PM (9ySL4)
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I will never give up my right to "bare" arms...
Posted by: gcotharn at March 27, 2007 06:22 PM (n+fl+)
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goth,
Skin cancer, don't forget is not protected by the constutition.
Posted by: strawman at March 28, 2007 01:05 PM (9ySL4)
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straw,
It's takes real talent to insert falsehoods, distortions, half truths, or angry insults into every sentence. I guess this is the "tolerance" and "compassion" I keep hearing about.
Anyone who still resorts to this mindless "right to choose" slogan without admitting that it's an utterly dishonest and thinly veiled euphemism has not thought much about the topic. Ironically, those who elevate choice into a sacrament are strongly against choice in other matters.
Regarding gun control, COPS SUPPORT the right to BEAR arms. Where gun control is weak, crime tends to be low. Where gun control is oppressive (D.C. and Chicago) crime is high. (See John Lott from University of Chicago who has proven this in two books. See also, "Law of Unintended Consequences.")
To call the Invasion in Iraq a "pointless non-war" could only come from someone who has not followed the Invasion since Day 1 with any honesty or consistency. Despite the many problems (inherent in all wars, by the way) much has also been accomplished.
Regarding stem cell research, Republicans support ADULT stem cell research, which have merely resulted in 72 (or more) treatments, cures, etc. Embryonic stem cells? NOTHING, NADA, ZERO. Have you pondered WHY researchers in embryonic stem cells are begging at the public trough? Because the private sector (investors) knows what you don't: embryonic stem cells are fraught with valid moral problems and are a scientic failure.
When you're not making uninformed comments, you drop rather vicious insults. Your mother must be proud.
I fail to understand what you get from regularly polluting this blog with misinformation and very little independent thought and research. Perhaps you take great pleasure in making consistently invalid, incomplete, illogical statements. If so, you must be approaching orgasm.
Posted by: Mark at March 28, 2007 01:59 PM (2MrBP)
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Annika, I would support this whole post, except I'm not ready to suppport the views of a woman. I don't feel America is yet ready.
Otherwise I would say that this was a good post.
Posted by: RightWingDuck at March 28, 2007 02:43 PM (pl1ju)
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Good one Mark, but it is the custom here to ignore the fulsome strawfuck.
RWD, it's always good to meet a brother in the He-Man-Woman-Haters Club.
Posted by: Casca at March 28, 2007 04:24 PM (2gORp)
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Mark,
You have not heard about tolerance and compassion from me for those who don’t need it The people of Iraq need some but not fools sitting by their keyboards all over this country blowing smoke up each others asses. They need a blow to the side of their heads so the crap can seep out their ears. The world is spinning out of America’s control as the huge populations of China and India are developing a consumer class and we have nothing to sell them. Our influence is diminishing as any bully’s does because a stick is only emblematic of his lack of imagination. “To a man whose only tool is a hammer all problems look like nails” The current and many past administrations have been hobbled by their reliance on the paucity of tools they are willing to bring to bear on the problems we and the world face. We are acting scared and have created a policy out of fear. Grabbing Iraq was the policy of a cabal that feared for the demise of America, saw an opportunity to insert our influence in a part of the world we think is vital to our continued growth and they completely fucked it up. Iraq is now a corrosive canister threatening to explode and spatter its tainted innards around the region and cause deeper and more profound wounds than the WTC and we refuse to open our fist and let go or to at least look for alternate solutions.
Please do not pitch the superior morals crap. You are comfortable watching Iraq dissolve in a pool of blood and tissue at the hands of our military and the Iraqi people yet you insist a woman be compelled against her will to gestate a child because you think not doing so is a trespass against god. What a bull shitter. What do you say to your god on Sundays when He asks you what part donÂ’t you understand of his admonitions about killing and his other clear messages? Pick the ones you like, shuck and jive around the others.
Oh, Mark, please stop thinking about my orgasms, it's gross, man.
Posted by: strawman at March 28, 2007 07:04 PM (9ySL4)
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Casca's right; sooner or later the attention whore will go ply some other street...
Posted by: shellly at March 28, 2007 08:29 PM (JQe3J)
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Or, the parasite shall lose its host on May 20th.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 28, 2007 08:58 PM (I0gpu)
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Egads; just when I thought it safe for the kids to come out and play again.
Lock up the kids and the wives. Break out the assault weapons.
Posted by: shelly at March 29, 2007 07:12 PM (JQe3J)
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I've watched 10 minutes so far and don't have time to see the rest tonight. Who put this together? Does it say at the end? I've often suspected that global warming hysteria is just like the Emperor's New Clothes.
Posted by: Joules at March 18, 2007 08:58 PM (u4CYb)
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Oddly enough, when your previous article reviles Time Magazine for being biased, you've wholeheartedly swooned over this piece where one of the scientists presented as supporting its thesis stated the video was "grossly distorted" and "as close to pure propaganda as anything since World War Two." But I can understand how persons who are not close to both sides of the issue can be swayed by such disinformation.
This presents a very narrow skeptic perspective from the same old global warming critics, who previously used to say, "Global Warming is a LIE". Now they say, "Ok, it's warming, but to claim human influence is a LIE". And the majority of those have been funded by oil and coal companies.
Some of the claims are wildly preposterous, such as the claim that volcanoes release many more times the amount of carbon dioxide that human activity does. From the USGS;
"Scientists have calculated that volcanoes emit between about 130-230 million tonnes (145-255 million tons) of CO2 into the atmosphere every year (Gerlach, 1999, 1992). This estimate includes both subaerial and submarine volcanoes, about in equal amounts. Emissions of CO2 by human activities, including fossil fuel burning, cement production, and gas flaring, amount to about 22 billion tonnes per year (24 billion tons) [ ( Marland, et al., 199
- The reference gives the amount of released carbon (C), rather than CO2.]. Human activities release more than 150 times the amount of CO2 emitted by volcanoes--the equivalent of nearly 17,000 additional volcanoes like Kilauea (Kilauea emits about 13.2 million tonnes/year)."
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/Hazards/What/VolGas/volgas.html
Over and over again as the main thrust of the video, they completely ignore the thorough explanation of the 1940-1975 cooling, something that Lindzen should be ashamed to have pretended not to know.
There's so many goofs in this polemic that I will simply direct you to a debunking for futher scientific discussion.
And not that tost of the time in the video is spent with non-climate scientists, such as :
* Phillip Stott - Although he presents himself as an expert debunker of environmental myths, Stott does not appear to have had a single paper published in a scientific journal in the fields in which he most frequently applies this 'expertise', eg climate change or tropical ecology. His views are also generally at odds with the scientific consensus on such issues.
* Patrick Moore is not a scientist but an activist.
* Nigel Lawson is a journalist who became a member of Parliament
* Nigel Calder is a author, editor, and TV screenwriter, not a scientist.
* Paul Driessen is lobbyist and currently a senior policy advisor for the Congress of Racial Equality and a senior fellow with the Committee for a Constructive Tomorrow, Center for the Defense of Free Enterprise and the Atlas Economic Research Foundation.
* James Shikwati is a Kenyan libertarian economist.
* Piers Richard Corbyn is a British meteorologist, not a climatologist. He is best known for his controversial claims of an ability to predict the weather up to one year in advance through the study of solar activity, specifically sunspots.
I can understand why you were drawn in by this video, because many conservatives feel as strongly about this as they do abortion; however, emotion should not be the process by which the science is vetted.
And yes, I know you just love to yank my chain...
Posted by: will at March 19, 2007 03:59 PM (h7Ciu)
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ERRATA:
"not that tost"
should be "note that most"...
My laptop screen is acting up, and I can only view pages in a tiny window.
Posted by: will at March 19, 2007 04:02 PM (h7Ciu)
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Thanks for the tour of that great bastion of academic knowledge,Wikipedia, Will. I wonder how many of the people who worked on those links you so graciously supplied lied about their credentials?
And for all of you that like to casually surf the web, there are a ton of links out there that will take you through the lies, half-truths, and blatant propoganda that was Al Gore's "An Inconvenient Truth."
Posted by: blu at March 19, 2007 04:48 PM (jcmjk)
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blu, why not list one of your URLS, so that we can examine one that you hold to be true, so that we can debunk it for you?
And feel free to find fault with any of the "Swindle" bios, since you questioned the veracity of those who provided the information.
Posted by: will at March 19, 2007 05:19 PM (h7Ciu)
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Question the veracity of Wikipedia. Oh certainly not! Who in their right mind would question an open-source website that requires absolutely no credentials for posting. Certainly not I.
Hey, didn't Al Gore invent Wikipedia?
Posted by: blu at March 19, 2007 05:29 PM (jcmjk)
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Well since they haven't released the '07 IPCC report yet, just the Summary For Policy Makers which is created by gov't beauracrats and not scientists, we have to look at the '01 IPCC report for the actual science here that the man-made global warming crowd is relying on.
Now if you made it through that incredibly long sentence, there is no "evidence" that man is causing this warming. It is an mix of computer models, incomplete computer models, which say this warming shouldn't be normal, ergo man must be causing it. This is the only "evidence" for man's role in global warming. If anything we should focus on adapting rather than fool hardy attempts to mitigate what is a natural process. I agree we should find better power sources than the internal combustion engine and reliance on fossil fuels, but the global warming crowd is using propaganda to try to achieve this goal.
Posted by: Scof at March 19, 2007 07:44 PM (nE8Mg)
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Very interesting vid with very interesting points. Much gravitas thanks to the preponderance of British accents.
Thanks, A.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at March 19, 2007 11:24 PM (HSp2k)
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Still waiting, blu, if you have anything substantial to contribute.
And Scof, all we have of the movements of the Solar System is computer models based on observations. For that matter, the same goes for link between tobacco and cancer; there is no absolute proof, only overwhelming evidence.
Posted by: will at March 20, 2007 04:12 AM (h7Ciu)
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Here ya go, Will. Happy reading.
http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p1523.htm
http://www.ncpa [dot] org/ba/ba230.html
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Environment/debunking.htm
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1655856/posts
Posted by: Frank at March 20, 2007 05:10 AM (fxGzi)
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Give it up, Frank. Your mere links have no effect on our mighty platitudes.
Like Kuato, we shall liberate Annika's mind from the arch-conservative camp.
Before we're finished here, she'll be voting for Nader in no time!
Now, do what Kuato commands! Let me feel it, peons!
Posted by: Swill at March 20, 2007 09:02 AM (I0gpu)
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"Still waiting, blu, if you have anything substantial to contribute."
Back at ya, Will. So far, you've managed to link to an open source, slacker website whose credibility has been called into question numerous times.
It's fun playing the Will game: never respond with substantial thought - simply say that your opponents are wrong without debating specifics points and then say something about where their funding might come from.
Your game is old, Will, and that's why nobody takes you seriously. Well, accept for you. No get back to that mirror so you can continue admiring yourself.
Posted by: blu at March 20, 2007 09:37 AM (jcmjk)
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Frank,
http://www.sitewave.net/news/s49p1523.htm is just a rant site, no science (the 'author' is a Ruskie radiology scientist, no evidence of climate research), just bald assertions.
http://www.ncpa [dot] org/ba/ba230.html
More extensive, and I will address this when I have time (running out the door to an embassy event).
Still waiting, blu, even after you attack the messenger...
Posted by: will at March 20, 2007 02:04 PM (GzvlQ)
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Hey Will,
One of your global warming pimps took part in a Waxman's media circus. (The fact that the taxpayers have to pay for this crap ought to offend every American.Gotta give the Dems credit, though, they know that they have the MSM in their pocket and they use it will.) Dr. Hansen, political activist and global warming whore, who likened the Bush administration to Nazi Germany. The same man who openly campaigned for Dems; has given 1400 interviews pushing his point of view while working within the government; and recepient of a quarter million bucks from Dem activist, Teresa Heinz Kerry's, foundation. (You know, one of those non-political institutions with no political agenda or bias.) Darrell Issa tore this pimp a new rear-end and called him out as the political activist that he is. This guy has spent the last few years accusing the gov't of "politicizing" science all the while setting a standard for it.
The global warming movement is nothing more than a well-excuted marketing campaign.
Posted by: blu at March 20, 2007 03:58 PM (jcmjk)
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Full disclosure: I'm not typically an Issa fan - for reasons associated to the GWOT - and sure wish somebody else would have stepped and took the pimp to task.
Posted by: blu at March 20, 2007 04:00 PM (jcmjk)
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http://www.ncpa [dot] org/ba/ba230.html
This is a 1997 article that is grossly out of date and easy to refute;
"Myth #1: Scientists Agree the Earth Is Warming."
This is in fact true and has been addressed in countless postings here. Even the Lindzen/Spencer/Christy skeptics now readily admit it, though at one time called it a lie.
"Myth #2: Humans Are Causing Global Warming. "
Again, out of date, as likely less than 1% of climate researchers deny anthropogenic warming.
The article mentions the Meteorlogical Society and the American Geophysical Union specifically as disbelieving. Here are current statements by those organizations;
Meteorlogical Society (2003): "There is now clear evidence that the mean annual temperature at the Earth's surface, averaged over the entire globe, has been increasing in the past 200 years. There is also clear evidence that the abundance of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere has increased over the same period. In the past decade, significant progress has been made toward a better understanding of the climate system and toward improved projections of long-term climate change... Human activities have become a major source of environmental change. Of great urgency are the climate consequences of the increasing atmospheric abundance of greenhouse gases... Because greenhouse gases continue to increase, we are, in effect, conducting a global climate experiment, neither planned nor controlled, the results of which may present unprecedented challenges to our wisdom and foresight as well as have significant impacts on our natural and societal systems."
American Geophysical Union (2003): "Human activities are increasingly altering the Earth's climate. These effects add to natural influences that have been present over Earth's history. Scientific evidence strongly indicates that natural influences cannot explain the rapid increase in global near-surface temperatures observed during the second half of the 20th century.
Human impacts on the climate system include increasing concentrations of atmospheric greenhouse gases (e.g., carbon dioxide, chlorofluorocarbons and their substitutes, methane, nitrous oxide, etc.), air pollution, increasing concentrations of airborne particles, and land alteration. A particular concern is that atmospheric levels of carbon dioxide may be rising faster than at any time in Earth's history, except possibly following rare events like impacts from large extraterrestrial objects."
"Myth #3: The Government Must Act Now to Halt Global Warming."
From the 2007 IPCC 4th Assessment Summary: "For the next two decades a warming of about 0.2°C per decade is projected for a range of SRES
emission scenarios. Even if the concentrations of all greenhouse gases and aerosols had been kept
constant at year 2000 levels, a further warming of about 0.1°C per decade would be expected. Since IPCC’s first report in 1990, assessed projections have suggested global averaged temperature increases between about 0.15 and 0.3°C per decade for 1990 to 2005. This can now be compared with observed values of about 0.2°C per decade, strengthening confidence in near-term projections. " (which confirm the models' predictions of warming)
"Myth # 4: Human-Caused Global Warming Will Cause Cataclysmic Environmental Problems."
They talk about the lack of increase in hurricane activity, though this was to change dramatically after 1997.
From the 2007 IPCC Assessment Summary: "It is very likely that hot extremes, heat waves, and heavy precipitation events will continue to become more
frequent. it is likely that future tropical cyclones (typhoons and hurricanes) will become
more intense, with larger peak wind speeds and more heavy precipitation associated with ongoing increases of tropical SSTs."
Conclusion: This article has been proven to be inaccurate in all of its claims. Little to no scientific research was referenced, so it was little more than a policy puff piece now discarded on the rubbish heap of history.
Scof,
"there is no "evidence" that man is causing this warming.
Your claim is unsupported. Even the majority of the 1%-2% of those scientists identified as skeptics now agree that humans are influencing the climate, though they are simply saying 'we don't know how much'.
Blu,
When will you learn that ideological rants provide no basis for a serious discussion of scientific issues? Why should anyone care what Issa (or any pundit) says on this subject?
Posted by: will at March 21, 2007 04:49 AM (GzvlQ)
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More debunking of 'debunkers':
http://www.tysknews.com/Depts/Environment/debunking.htm
This is just an opinion piece published in the Bulletin of Canadian Petroleum Geology with no references to scientific findings (and rife through and through with fallacies itself).
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1655856/posts
This finally gets to the points of "An Inconvenient Truth". Let's take the points one at a time;
most of Florida will most likely still be above water in 2100.
What kind of claim is this?? How much? What will be submerged? Hardly a debunking of the movie.
Gore shows that many mountain glaciers are melting away all around the world—glaciers in Alaska, Europe and Mount Kilimanjaro—are responding to increased warming. (Though the glaciers on Mount Kilimanjaro seem to be melting away because of changes in rainfall patterns rather than to increased heat. Of course, it is possible that the shift in rainfall is the result of global warming.)
Is this 'debunking'? Very weak to non-existent. Global glacier mass balance has dropped significantly in the last 50 years. See the data and a striking graph of the data.
"The temperatures in central Siberia are thought to have increased by 3 degrees Celsius over the past 40 years. A Russian study in 2004 found that the average temperatures in Siberia during the Holocene Climatic Optimum around 6000 years ago warmed up by 3 to 9 degrees celcius in the winter, and by 2 to 6 degrees celcius in the summer. Due to changes in the earth's orbit which affect how much sunlight reaches the surface, pretty much the entire Arctic was warmer than now 6000 years ago."
The Russian study was not referenced, so we have no idea of its source, methods, or overall veracity, hence this is an empty claim.
"Gore shows an animation of a polar bear (very reminiscent of the Coca Cola bears) swimming pitifully in the sea trying to haul itself up onto the last piece of ice floating in the Arctic Ocean. In 2002, the World Wildlife Fund issued a report warning that global warming was endangering polar bears. Arctic sea ice is thawing sooner and this means that the bears who hunt seals on the ice have fewer opportunities to feed themselves. This week saw an alarming report that hungry polar bears are turning cannibal. Yet, the WWF report itself found that most bear populations are either stable or increasing (see page 9 of the report). And remember, polar bears evidently survived when Arctic temperatures were warmer 6000 years ago. "
The report is not referenced, yet this article wanders off track by referring to bear populations in general, not just polar bears. And the 6000 year claim from the one Russian 'paper' was not substantiated above. Building houses of cards with shaky findings does not lead to conclusive findings.
"Gore points to the devastation of the Hurricane Katrina and flatly says that global warming is increasing the intensity of hurricanes. But that claim is hotly contested by climate scientists."
I would agree with this. The models predicted it, and it seems to be happening, though the data is not completely out of the margins of errors yet, so there is not a consensus among key hurricane researchers in the US.
"Gore traces a red temperature line inexorably increasing while he declares that 10 of the hottest years on record occurred in the last 14 years. Then he asserts that 2005 was the hottest ever. Pause for effect. Basically, Gore's general point is right but it's just irritating for him not to acknowledge that 2005 is statistically indistinguishable from 1998."
Not much of a point here, especially since the article does not contend with the point that 10 of the hottest years on record occurred in the last 14 years. Trends are what are important, and the trends are clear.
That's all I have time for now (I really must work for a living), but its clear that much of the 'debunking' that's been going on is more directed at public opinion that at addressing the science itself. And that, my friend blu, is called 'spin'.
Posted by: will at March 21, 2007 05:24 AM (GzvlQ)
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Guys,
Go read the entire piece. Goebbels, errr, I mean Will, cherry-picked his response as you will see. The piece destryoys Gore's propoganda piece in a very detailed and devastating fashion. And this is just one of many that I've seen. By now, you should all know Will's "m.o.", so ignore him. BTW, op-eds rarely if ever cite references.
Posted by: blu at March 21, 2007 10:21 AM (j8oa6)
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Anybody can blather rhetorically and claim to "destroy" their opponent; having solid references to back oneself up with is required just to get in the door of a scientific debate. And an op-ed piece is just an opinion statement intended to sway readership. If unsupported opinions are what you are basing your argument on, then those claims are groundless until shown otherwise. Which might be fine in a debate between ideologues in politics, religion, or philosphy, but they're not the subject domain at hand.
Posted by: will at March 21, 2007 12:46 PM (GzvlQ)
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the scientists are right! Global Warming is real. Here is proof:
in 1955, Ansel Adams took this picture of Half Dome.
Now look at it today! Where's the snow?
Posted by: annika at March 21, 2007 07:11 PM (lMqjc)
Unfreakinreadable
My mom gave me a gift subscription to Time Magazine last year. I've tried, I've really tried to read it every week, but it's damn near impossible. It's like they deliberately try to insult me every week. I know it's the thought that counts, but I think I'm going to have to cancel my free subscription.
The problem is that Time is a liberal op-ed magazine, masquerading as a non-partisan news source. I could respect them, and even read it occasionally, if they would just admit the truth. But to do so might reduce the effectiveness of the subliminal propaganda they spit out each week. There's no way to avoid it, unless you stop grocery shopping and visiting the dentist.
If I read something in the Village Voice, or Mother Jones, or the LA Weekly, saying "all conservatives are evil" I can take it with a grain of salt, it's no big deal. But when Time Magazine, in a "news" cover story starts out like this, I get mad.
George Bush's sense of humor has always run more to frat-house gag than art-house irony, so he may not have appreciated the poetic justice any more than the legal justice on display in the Libby verdict.
Or, to be more precise, the Cheney verdict.
In a mere 46 words, Time managed to call the president of the United States a lowbrow, call him stupid, then pronounce the Libby verdict as "justice" when it's actually 180° the opposite of justice. Then to top it all off, Time proclaims that Cheney was somehow convicted by the Libby jury. And that's just the first 46 words.
You know, there's a lot of folks in this country who voted for the President, and like the President. There's a lot of folks who really like Dick Cheney, and we're not stupid. We understand that there are people who don't think so, but it's insulting to read a supposedly unbiased news magazine calling the Vice President a criminal, as if I'm supposed to agree. Like saying the Dow was at 11000, or the temperature in Minneapolis yesterday was 53°.
A few weeks ago I tossed the magazine with the pro-abortion cover in the trash without even opening it. I didn't open the one that asked "Does sending more soldiers to Iraq make any sense?" either. I knew the answer to that question. I also knew their answer, and that it was different from mine. But next week's cover really takes the cake: Ronald Reagan crying. First of all, they have no right to touch, let alone re-touch that great man's picture. Second, I simply don't trust them to write about conservative discontent without it being a 3000 word essay on schadenfreude.
And it's not even well written, or well reported. Lately they've taken to using introductory phrases like "here's how..." and "here's why..." As in "With the U.S. tied down in Iraq, a new superpower has arrived. Here's how to deal with it." Or, "The Iraq Study Group says it's time for an exit strategy, Why Bush will listen." Of course, when the President rightly ignores the ISG's report, Time ignores its faulty prediction. But that doesn't stop them from continuing to use that annoying phraseology. Another example: "As the U.S. strikes al-Qaeda, a new government tries to restore order. Here's what it will take."
That phrase bugs me so much because it's like they're assuming some sort of know-it-all status, without ever demonstrating to me that they know anything. When you're wrong as often as Time's writers are, they shouldn't be so presumptuous.
The Time story intro has become so formulaic, I could probably write a script for it if I knew how to write code. All you do is take some story that is happening, insert some anti-Republican or anti-war spin, then promise the reader that you'll have all the answers in the article by saying "here's how."
Here are some examples, just off the top of my head:
A story about JetBlue delays might be introduced like this:
While JetBlue executives struggle to regain passengers' confidence in the wake of storm caused delays, experts say global warming could damage airline stocks even further? Here's how you can protect your portfolio.
A story about Valerie Plame's testimony?
With the U.S. bogged down in Iraq, new questions surround pre-war intelligence as Valerie Plame wows Congress. Here's why her testimony will doom the Bush admistration.
Nintendo's Wii?
Millions of Americans have fallen in love with the new Wii gaming platform. Here's how Alberto Gonzales intends to ruin their fun.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 18, 2007 05:25 PM (I0gpu)
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Annie, you're too young to remember "Life" magazine, however, my parents used to tell me "Life is for people who can't read; Time is for people who can't think."
Posted by: shelly at March 18, 2007 06:38 PM (JQe3J)
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"A disaffected right-wing blogger had issued yet another whiny tirade against the mainstream media. Here's how you can renew your subscription to TIME so that you can continue to receive accurate news reporting."
(I was going to use my favorite perjorative term, "fascist," but most "objective" news outlets wouldn't stoop that low.)
I've rarely read any weekly newsmagazine since about 1983, so I'm not really qualified to comment on how we are today. However, since 1983 there has been a sea change in how we get our information. Because printed media (especially weeklies or monthlies) isn't going to have timely information, they need to resort to analysis to justify their existence. TIME, of course, has been analyzing for years, although its slant has changed (Formosa, anyone?). At this point I'm pondering whether McPaper is actually a more valuable source of information; at least they print two sides to major issues.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at March 18, 2007 08:45 PM (P8ktI)
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Honey, you're late to the party. Time went in the shitter when Whitacre Chambers quit editing The World section. Subsequently, Joe Kennedy gave Henry Luce $75K to put JFK's pic on the cover after the release of his ghostwritten Profiles in Courage. They're whores.
Posted by: Casca at March 18, 2007 10:09 PM (2gORp)
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The magazine has taken an even farther turn to the left in the last year or so.
Since you're a subscriber, I would consider sending those overpaid leftists your post, or atleast a letter of some sort, letting them know what you think. Will it achieve anything? Perhaps not, but so what? They need to hear someone tell them that they're whoring their profession.
Posted by: Mark at March 19, 2007 10:26 AM (2MrBP)
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
Can anyone suggest an alternative? I was thinking maybe US News & World Report, but I don't know much about that one...
I'm gonna call TIME now and have them cancel my subscription, it's really not even worth lining my bird's cage with it, it's that bad.
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USN&WR is pretty worthless, and it's not even pretty to look at.
Neither is National Review, but I'd recommend it over any of the big three "news" magazines.
Lots of people swear by The Economist, but have you ever tried to read it? boooooring. plus its liberal. I think people say they like the Economist just to impress people. I doubt anybody actually reads it.
Posted by: annika at March 19, 2007 04:11 PM (zAOEU)
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Yeah,I'm not much of a Time fan; it's too much like a Reader's Digest, only a week behind the times, so to speak.
I get the same reaction as you when I watch most news programs on TV, Fox included.
Sifting news sources for bias is a hobby of mine, which is why I like the Newshour with Jim Lehrer so much; he just lets both sides duke it out, calling them out from time to time.
Posted by: will at March 19, 2007 05:36 PM (h7Ciu)
9Cathy Seipp is bidding farewell to everyone.
A couple days ago, we lost one of our conservative engineering professors to cancer as well. This sucks.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 19, 2007 06:31 PM (I0gpu)
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Hear Hear! Any magazine that would name Gorbachev Man of the 80's is puerile
Posted by: Scof at March 19, 2007 07:39 PM (nE8Mg)
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Annika,
I think your wishes about how you think things aught to be are getting in the way of seeing how things are. Nothing in the Time's 46 words is biased or god forbid untrue.
Bush prides himself on his lowbrow, non-book reading, gut feeling appeal and for the 2000 election he especially played it up. (By 2004 his handlers thought it was time to put a book or two on his night table the way you stage an apartment before putting it on the market.) He would be more put-out if you called him intelligent and an intellectual. Irony is generally lost on him and though not stupid he is uneducated, inarticulate and if given the chance will quickly demonstrate his lack of understanding of most topics.
Rove did engineer VPÂ’s outing and will not be prosecuted. Libby lost track of the time line and has been rightfully convicted of lying. Was it justice? Who the f*ck knows. Was he involved; certainly.
Did Bush fire anybody involved? No. Did he swear he would? Of course.
Is any of this surprising? Not in the least.
We are now going to see Pedro the WH talking Burro take a fall for Rove. Pretty Harriett too!
Posted by: strawman at March 20, 2007 07:40 AM (9ySL4)
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 20, 2007 08:55 AM (zVyb+)
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I love National Review.
City Journal is excellent too.
Posted by: Mark at March 20, 2007 08:59 AM (2MrBP)
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Hey Red,
Whats a matter? Spent all the money I paid you to sit for that casting?
Posted by: strawman at March 20, 2007 10:22 AM (9ySL4)
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"he is uneducated..."
Yeah, right, Straw. Degrees from two of the best schools on the planet with grades as good or better than the two dip-shit Dems he defeated in the past two elections. BTW, how does your academic pedigree measure up to the President's? Did you make it past the 12th grade?
and,"inarticulate"
well, that's probably true. he's a poor public speaker.
Posted by: blu at March 20, 2007 03:45 PM (jcmjk)
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I used to think there was some benefit to understanding where the other side was coming from. Now I can tell without looking. National Review.
Posted by: Mike C. at March 20, 2007 06:19 PM (GQv1b)
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Blu,
Of course your comment is not on point. The discussion was if the Time article displayed a bias. We have discussed his education many times. BTW, I never asked you what you thought the box was under his jacket at the Kerry debate as long as we are dicussing how dumb he is and how poorly he thinks on his feet, and what help he might have needed.
Blu, I don't think he could hold my interest on a short plane ride.
Posted by: strawman at March 20, 2007 06:33 PM (9ySL4)
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My apologies, Straw, for veering of course. Yes, I think Time Magazine is a left-wing, commie rag that I've never, ever spent a penny on. (I'm proud of that if you can't tell.) Any magazine that would employ a retarded sophist like Barbara Ehrenreich deserves neither my money nor my respect.
Oh, and Straw, when you start talking about the magic "box", you put yourself at the intellectual level of those that think Bush and the gov't planned and executed 9-11. Now, I rarely agree with you but have never thought you dumb. So, please, for your own dignity's sake, don't play the silly conspiracy card. It's beneath you.
Finally, I think you are wrong about Bush and a plane ride. My memory is that the people who meet Bush - regardless of affiliation - generally like him personally, finding him to be genuine, good-natured, and funny. (Unlike, say Clinton, who many people found to be a horses rear. Interestingly enough, though a very different personality, Bush the Elder was also personally well-liked by his colleagues.)
To sum up:
Time Sucks
There is no magic box
Bush might hold your interest on a plane ride
Posted by: blu at March 20, 2007 10:09 PM (jcmjk)
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I already have a subscription to NR, so I guess I'll just leave it at that...thanks for the heads up on USN&WR, saved me a couple bucks.
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Blu,
You deluded clown, just wait a goddamned minute, I was in NYC on 9-11 and I saw American plans hit these buildings. In fucking fact, pal, one of them said AmericaÂ’s Airlines on the tall thing in the back. Only the president has the authority to order American planes to hit buildings. No one could imagine any other way to get it done. I know I couldn't.
Seriously, I never really paid attention to the discussion of the box but I did see the photos and I did see the box? Or did I see some apparition or something that somebody retouched. Or was there never any explanation, just the old saw of "nobody would be that nuts to try something like that". Forget for the moment theories of any nature. What was the explanation, I must have been traveling in Central America at the time. Not that it matters really, prompted or not, his answers were shallow, predictable, claptrap laced with a goofy kind of faux machismo edginess. Altogether it was unwatchable as I find all of his performances.
As for plane trips I generally sleep. I am going to Florence in a few weeks and looking fwd to catching up on some sleep and my back issues of the Nation. Did you see that the American CP made a gift of all their archives to NYU library this week? Quite a trove of information. Many history thesis's (or is it thee-sigh) waiting to be written.
Posted by: strawman at March 21, 2007 10:45 AM (9ySL4)
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To all those who have even considered the possibility that Bush wore some device to give him answers during the debate:
Perhaps Bush was wearing a bullet proof vest to protect himself from the "tolerance" brigade?
Posted by: Mark at March 21, 2007 01:04 PM (2MrBP)
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'cancel my free subscription' says it all. Soda-spewing monitor-speckling goodness, that.
Posted by: Barry in CO at March 22, 2007 01:47 AM (kKjaJ)
The Big Issue For Election 2008...
If anyone is smart enough to capitalize on it, the big issue that may decide the next presidential election is not the war. It's the mortgage crisis. I say this because it's a pocketbook issue that will affect every voter regardless of whether they rent, own, or live with their parents. The combination of balooning payments and falling house values has a wide ranging effect on business as well as ordinary people. It could hurt all of us because the long awaited housing crash just might bring on another recession.
And guess what, we've known it was coming for at least five years but like with the dot coms, nobody wanted to say anything because too many people were making money. Everybody and their brother wanted to get in on the housing boom, and lenders were all too happy to throw cash at them. Realtors weren't going to say anything. They were like, "don't worry man, you're equity is going to skyrocket." And the lenders just said, "hey, when the adjustable hits, you can always refinance."
But as I watched this all unfold from the sidelines, I always predicted that it couldn't go on forever. Didn't the 1929 crash happen because of easy credit? And there's no way people should be spending 50% of their take home pay on a mortgage. I thought the rule of thumb was 25%, one third tops. How is your average Californian supposed to afford $450,000 for a first home? Just because some crooked lender will give you the loan with no money down, doesn't mean you should take it. But people do, because everybody's doing it.
Sacramento is a prime example. I read somewhere that this city was second only to Palm Beach, Florida in overblown housing prices. My boyfriend, God bless him, did everything wrong. When we first started going out, he was in the process of dumping a house that he had bought at the very top of the market, when properties were selling almost the day they got listed. He put it up for sale a year later, just after everything slowed down. There were about six houses with his exact same floor plan for sale within a radius of a couple of blocks. Luckily, after four months of waiting, and hardly any lookers, he sold to an investment buyer who ended up renting the house. Christopher bought at the crest and sold at the trough. Thus ended his foray into the "get rich through home ownership" scheme.
If my boyfriend hadn't sold when he did, the value of his house was in danger of falling below the amount of his mortgage. He ended up with a tiny profit, but lots of people aren't going to be so lucky. When the adjustable rate goes through the roof, and people aren't able to sell because of falling prices, look out. A lot of folks are going to get hurt.
(I also wondered what was going to happen to all those Gulf Coast homeowners, especially in New Orleans. I imagine there are going to be a lot of foreclosures down there, if there haven't already been. What if you got screwed by the insurance company, the bank still wants their money, and they don't care if you're living out of a trailer (or not) and you still haven't got your job at the liquor store back because that place went out of business too?)
Maybe I'm being too pessimistic, but I think the mortgage crisis is going to be a real problem. Hillary thinks so too, and savvy politician that she is, she's already made it a campaign issue. This is exactly the type of issue that Democrats win elections on because the conservative response is usually to let the free market sort itself out. People don't want to hear that. If things get really bad, Hillary will score points being the first one to call for a homeowner's bail-out. Predictably, she faults Bush for doing nothing while sub-prime lenders dug us into this hole. And you know what, I can't say she's wrong about that.
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Ooooo, what a deal! You mean no matter who wins, I get to pay for the financial foolishness of others? Fucking communists.
Posted by: Casca at March 16, 2007 09:51 PM (2gORp)
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Over 90% of Sub-prime loans are residential. So the effect on business will only be on real estate related companies.
HOwever, the effect on these defaulted loans will haunt and affect the individuals holding the note for many years to come, precisely becuase they either got carried away with the housing boom and either bought a bigger place than they could afford or went to an unreputable lender without doing research and reading the fine print first.
Most of the individuals who apply for sub-prime loans have poor financial histories. But should that keep them from their american dream. NO! If they are disciplined and do their homework and go to one of thousands of reputable lenders that engages in fair lending practices, then they'll be okay. But, if they are not disciplined, or have not planned carefully for the future and for all possible events, then it will be difficult for them to meet their obligations.
Remember, these are people who go and apply for these loans voluntarily. Nobody is forcing them to apply for a loan. It's on them to do their due diligence and to look at trends. Flipping has always been a dangerous investment scheme, exactly for the experience your boyfriend went through.
Whenever a person invests they should ask themselves, if the bottom fell out tomorrow, could I and my credit still survive with minimal damage?
Years ago consumers fought stringent banking laws to make lending more liberal. This is the result of those liberal policies so that money could be available to support those individuals, perhaps not as affluent as your boyfriend, to purchase homes. Hundreds of thousands have done so without a problem. The true problem lies with individuals who disregard personal responsibility with credit and those who use shady creditors to support their ill-conceived dreams.
So you see Annika, this is not an easy issue to ttackle.
Posted by: michele at March 16, 2007 11:09 PM (tvM6y)
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The underreported aspect of this issue is how Alan Greenspan and the Federal Reserve governors contributed to the inversion of the yield curve started in 2004.
President Bush should not have reappointed Greenspan back in 2004. The Fed correctly lowered the fed funds rate started in early 2001 (and then aggressively in the four month period after 9/11). However, after his re-appointment in May 04, Greenspan led a campaign that saw the funds rate go up by 4% (!) in just two years -- especially when he knew the sensitivity of the housing market to rate changes, he was aware of the housing bubble, and he could see by the yield curve inversion the overall market had a vast difference in future inflation expectations than those driving his changes in monetary policy.
As a result of the mergering of short and long-term rates, companies with mortgage back securities and sub-prime lenders started taking hits. Of course, the reaction is to become even more aggressive (and risky). I agree with Michele that in many cases, consumers bear responsibility (one story on a lawsuit by a homeowner noted the fact the owners had 4 years (!) before the huge rate increases took effect and these people still blame the lender).
The sub-prime loans are only 20% of the total market and foreclosure rates are high, but just barely above 2002 levels. I believe this issue won't have momentum (especially since Bernanke I think gets the message) except to appeal to the populist bent of the Dems in their primaries. If anything, they need to be careful of being exposed pandering to corporate interests (I believe 85% of Chris Dodd's biggest donors are financial service/lending companies).
Remember, only Jim Bunning and Harry Reid (although his for the record objection focused on Greenspan's political support for Bush's tax cuts not on Greenspan's monetary policy) showed any dissent during Greenspan's confirmation vote in 2004). Hillary and Edwards voted yes. Of course, they and the other members of Congress contributed by passing budgets (and the President is at fault too) without making the tough offset calls or tax increases). The problem is the media doesn't do their homework on these issues in order to even know the tough questions to ask the candidates..
Posted by: Col Steve at March 19, 2007 07:08 AM (pj2h7)
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Keep in mind that sub-prime loans represent somewhere around 15% of oustanding home equity loans. So even if 15% of those are in default, we're talking about 2.25% of home equity loans in the entire US. Odds are, that won't create the far-reaching economic ouchie that many are predicting.
I hope it does, though. And quick. Looks like I'm gonna have to buy a home in South Florida in the next few months.
Posted by: TaxLawMax at March 19, 2007 11:34 AM (dLe9c)
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Col. Steve, the problem wasn't created by the rise in short-term interest rates. The problem was already there because of the artificially low rates that have existed since 2001. The Fed flooded the market with cheap money to forstall recession after the Nasdaq bubble popped, and in consequence the dollar deflated more than 30% versus other world currencies. Sure, recent interest rate hikes have exposed weaknesses in the liquidity-driven economy, but those weaknesses existed as a result of low rates, not rate hikes.
Lest we forget, you can still get a 30-year mortgage for under 6%, which is extremely low by historical standards.
I recommend bigpicture.typepad.com for a primer on the issues surrounding our current credit bubble.
Posted by: Christopher at March 20, 2007 12:15 PM (tysG0)
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Christopher -- I agree the issue is complex with more than just one factor contributing to the problem. I think the Fed was right post 9/11 to follow aggressive monetary accomodation. Note that 30 years mortgage rates in 2003 were also at 6% with short-term rates around 1.5% -- "Home interest rates have moved in a tight range near 6% the last nine weeks after posting record lows during the summer." (Nov, 2003).
One reason you can still get a 30yr mortgage at 6% three years later in spite of the fact short term rates have gone up 4% is the market as a whole does not have the same long term inflation expectations that apparently Greenspan had. His 2005 and 2006 Federal Reserve Board's semiannual Monetary Policy Reports to the Congress are full of waffling statements about core inflation, the impact of oil prices, and the relative power of business and labor on unit labor costs. Greenspan noted in June 05 - "The drop in long-term rates is especially surprising given the increase in the federal funds rate over the same period. Such a pattern is clearly without precedent in our recent experience."
I agree the Fed needed to wean the economy off "cheap money;" however, Greenspan should have taken a more measured approach especially given the "weaknesses" he knew existed and the signal the market was sending with the yield curve inversion.
Posted by: Col Steve at March 20, 2007 10:01 PM (/HhUV)
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Yet another reason why non-citizens should be "entitled" to vote. If we're taking worldwide action, then shouldn't illegal aliens have a say in it?
Ironically, it would be in their best interest to oppose Edwards, since money spent on foreigners in foreign countries is money that can't be spent on foreigners in the U.S.
Too bad this proposal won't be debated in Nevada.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at March 15, 2007 04:54 PM (BSx9z)
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For so many different reasons, Annie, I agree.
Wasn't the Cal win over UCLA wonderful last week?
Posted by: Hugo at March 15, 2007 05:00 PM (MhZlU)
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Having FU money, tends to reveal the inner nutter.
Posted by: Casca at March 15, 2007 06:45 PM (2gORp)
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What I really love about the not-so-Golden Bears is they win so few, that when a win does come along they celebrate it as if it is the Second Coming.
They are truly the Chicago Cubs of California.
Posted by: shelly at March 16, 2007 06:34 AM (JQe3J)
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Shell, are you trying to say that they're... "faggots"?
Posted by: Casca at March 16, 2007 06:40 AM (Y7t14)
Posted by: shelly at March 16, 2007 07:21 AM (JQe3J)
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I haven't come up with a name yet. It would be a new cabinet member whose responsibly would be America's efforts to fight global poverty," said Edwards.
Hint, John -- The U.S. government already has this person -- The U.S. Director of Foreign Assistance and USAID Administrator in the State Department
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/79748.pdf
Shuffling Cabinet seats isn't "transformational" == and wait until your Secretary of State nominee pushes back on taking USAID out of State..
Notes from his speech -
"It is a path in which we argue over fuel standards while global warming gets worse" -- of course, he doesn't mention it's as much the blocking efforts of the Dem delegation from Michigan and Auto Workers Union as it is Republicans on that issue
"Democratic rights allow poor citizens to force their countries to create more progressive laws, fight oppression and demand economic stability. Economic initiatives like microfinance and micro-insurance can spark entrepreneurship, allowing people to transform their own lives." -- Well, those sentiments have been foundational elements of the current administration (read both the 2002 and 2006 National Security Strategy). In fact, the backlash from other nations has focused on the current administration's point of equating U.S. national interests with U.S. national values (see President Bush's 2d inaugural address). Secretary Rice has finally started to tone down this sentiment (democracy was noticeably absent in her last discussions on the Middle East).
We've been trying microfinancing for a few years now. Although moderately successful, what seems to be absent from Edwards' discussion is the appreciation that true economic development, especially not single commodity driven, requires stability, good governance, and some basic infrastructure first. Look at the course of economic development versus development of "democracies" in the Western Hemisphere. (No, I'm not saying go back to the era of land-owning elites, but the challenges of balancing economic development with democracy transition is far more complex than suggesting democractic rights will be the cureall for poverty.)
President Bush said yesterday that reducing global poverty will be a priority-- that was in Summer 2001...Every global poverty policy initiative Edwards mentioned (except the Cabinet position) has already been adopted/tried by the current Administration...so much for transformational.
Posted by: Col Steve at March 16, 2007 08:15 AM (pj2h7)
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Seems like the equivalent counterpart of the Republicans' PNAC, though Steve is right about some overlap with USAID.
Posted by: will at March 16, 2007 08:44 AM (5ZWWc)
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Edwards is a liberal, just like our President. For such people, national interests are secondary to the creed that they suppose that nation is defined by and that supercedes that nation's particular interest insofar as it conflicts with that creed.
It's become clear that for Bush conservatism is not about conserving anything tangible and historical. It is, instead, about the march of abstractions: Free Markets, Democracy, Color Blindness, Tolerance. America is redefined as a few slogans. When conservatives dare to intervene---noting that people are not all the same, are not equally trustworthy, that generalizations are sometimes called for, and that Arabs and Muslims are the demographic source of most of the terror threat we face---Bush closes his ears and questions their good faith. In immigration and airline security, the color-blind policy might endanger actual Americans whom Bush is charged to protect. But this is all no matter to Bush.
Under Bush's grandiose liberal philosophy, his role is not to advance the parochial and particular good of America, even when their interest is as basic as self-defence. It's instead to suport the triumph of these universal values. Edwards takes this liberal belief to its logical conclusion. We all are being asked to take one for the team. And the team is not our country. The team is the whole human race, which would supposedy recoil in horror if we behaved like a normal, preliberal society. Why else have we not done more to deport illegals after 9/11? Why else hasn't Bush spoken out forcefully about the Muslim overraction to a few cartoons in an obscure Danish paper? Why else do people in other nations (such as Nigerian Christians) react so differently and more predictably compared to westeners when they're harassed by Muslim minorities?
For Bush, America is the creedal nation. And the creed supercedes the objective interests of that nation in things like national security, job security, stable ethnic relations, and the dominance of the English langage and our historical Christian culture. Like so much else in liberalism, our objective decline and endangerment is justified as the supposed march of universal justice. Our meek defenses are recast as offensive "attacks." This is why James Burnham called liberalism an "ideology of western suicide." Making the interests of the world's poor--which should be a secondary consideration--a cabinet level responsibility is yet another logical manifestation of this kind of confusion.
Posted by: Roach at March 16, 2007 09:37 AM (s5LOP)
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The biggest single factor lifting the developing world out of poverty has been trade. There is nothing that an Edwards "secretary of poverty fixing" could begin to do for poverty in India (for example) that would remotely compensate for the damage done by the draconian trade restrictions likely under a Democratic administration.
Posted by: david foster at March 16, 2007 11:27 AM (9NeW5)
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I have to disagree with Roach on one thing. Jyllands-Posten may be obscure to Americans, but in Denmark it is their number one newspaper.
Posted by: annika at March 16, 2007 01:33 PM (lMqjc)
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Annie, that just makes it the sparliest leash at the chihuahua show.
Says the guy named "Leif."
Posted by: Leif at March 16, 2007 01:44 PM (9Ug4z)
Look, I like Newt. Don't get me wrong. But you know what I like more? A Republican in the White House.
In the latest Gallup poll, which of the top candidates from both parties is the only one whose unfavorable rating is higher than their favorable rating. I'll give you a hint. It's not Hillary.
Okay, well maybe Newt hasn't been out in public enough. He should write some books. Check. He should go on Fox News. Check. He should call Hannity's show. Oh, check.
Okay, well at least there's twenty months between now and election day. That's plenty of time for Newt to change people's minds, right?
Oh, well, except that he's decided to save money by waiting until September before he gets in the race. And with a bunch of big states moving their primaries up to February 5th, that gives Newt only five months to change his image.
Okay, well maybe Newt can use the time between now and September to ramp up his public image. Do a full court press on the public. Show everybody what a great guy he is. He should start today. Give an interview with Dobson or somebody.
Oh, he did? Ouch. That's not exactly moving in the right direction, but it's a start, I guess.
Sorry Newt lovers. Stick a fork in the salamander, he's done.
Posted by: reagan80 at March 09, 2007 11:02 PM (I0gpu)
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The Newt campaign is over before it started, even if he did claim he wasn't a hypocrite for castigating Clinton for his moral turpitude. He's about as electable as Kucinich and just as extreme.
Posted by: will at March 10, 2007 06:10 AM (h7Ciu)
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Newt's electoral prospects are non-existent, but to compare him to Kucinich is inaccurate. For all his missteps, Gingrich is a serious person with substantive policy positions that are well-considered in their aims and effects. You may disagree with his views, but he isn't frivolous in his political commentary. Anyone who would say that about Dennis Kucinich is either willfully unaware or deluded. I think Gingrich has assumed a role of Deliberative Party Policy Comptemplater because he thinks about the future, policies and their effects, and political direction--and he sometimes seems like the only person doing those things outside the framework of tomorrow's headlines. It seems obvious he hasn't totally given up on the idea of being President someday, but he doesn't strike me as the kind of person who is going to waste his time, or others, in a pointless campaign with no chance of success.
Posted by: DBrooks at March 10, 2007 08:12 AM (tQ2Sh)
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> Gingrich is a serious person with substantive policy positions that are well-considered in their aims and effects.
"If combat means living in a ditch, females have biological problems staying in a ditch for 30 days because they get infections."
“A mere forty years ago, beach volleyball was just beginning. No bureaucrat would have invented it, and that's what freedom is all about.”
“I have enormous personal ambition. I want to shift the entire planet. And I’m doing it. I am now a famous person. I represent real power.”
“You can't trust anybody with power”
“The idea that a congressman would be tainted by accepting money from private industry or private sources is essentially a socialist argument.”
“This is not one person doing one bad thing. You can't have a corrupt lobbyist unless you have a corrupt member (of Congress) or a corrupt staff. ... This was a team effort.”
“It's going to be a bummer if Mars turns out to be like us.”
“I'm not a natural leader. I'm too intellectual; I'm too abstract; I think too much.”
“We must expect the Soviet system to survive for a very long time. There will be Soviet labor camps and Soviet torture chambers well into our grandchildren’s lives.”
“Kill jobs and lead to a recession, force people off of work and onto unemployment and will actually increase the deficit.” (1993)
“In Washington DC 800 babies are left in dumpsters a year.” (number was actually 4)
“Most People don’t realize it’s illegal to pray in school, most people somehow think that’s not true.”
“The problem isn’t too little money in political campaigns, but not enough.”
Posted by: will at March 10, 2007 02:46 PM (h7Ciu)
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C'mon, Will. That's just silly.
Newt is extremely intelligent, well-spoken, and thoughtful. How many stupid statements have you or any of us made in the past 15 years? Even his worst enemies acknowldedge and respect his intellect. (Kinda the Rep version of Slick Willie.)
You and I agree that he can't win, but suggesting he's not a serious thinker and doing so by tossing in some random, out-of-context quotes you found on the internet is not very persuasive.
Posted by: blu at March 10, 2007 03:57 PM (FQ15n)
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So, I confess, I am a Newt guy.
He is the smartest, most knowledgable, most articuate person on either side of the aisle.
He is a student and a teacher of history.
I sincerely doubt he can ever get the nomination, let alone win the general election.
But he has serious thoughts and serious ideas and he adds a quantum of quality to the equation when he is in the room.
America benefits from his candidacy.
Posted by: shelly at March 10, 2007 05:39 PM (JQe3J)
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You have a very firm grasp on the conventional wisdom, however we live in unconventional times.
Posted by: Casca at March 10, 2007 10:55 PM (2gORp)
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While the conservatives look for an easier path than Newt, it looks like Fred Thompson will suck up some of the available oxygen that could have helped him.
I'm sitting this one out for a while to watch the play unfold. The grassroots organizers are stepping it up for Rudy and Mitt, at least around here. John seems to be falling off a little more every day.
Posted by: shelly at March 11, 2007 03:51 PM (JQe3J)
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“We must expect the Soviet system to survive for a very long time. There will be Soviet labor camps and Soviet torture chambers well into our grandchildren’s lives.”
I don't know if ANYONE got that right, even Ronald Reagan. George H.W. Bush as much as admits in the Bush/Scowcroft book that he was surprised at the rapid changes.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at March 11, 2007 09:37 PM (P8ktI)
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Giuliani is far from Republican. With regard to social issues, putting him in the White House would not be an accomplishment.
Posted by: Mark at March 11, 2007 09:46 PM (kNnFn)
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It would keep Hillary out and protect the furniture, silverware and dishes.
Posted by: shelly at March 11, 2007 10:04 PM (JQe3J)
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“We must expect the Soviet system to survive for a very long time. There will be Soviet labor camps and Soviet torture chambers well into our grandchildren’s lives.”
Shit OE, you think they're gone? The only thing that changes in Russia/Soviet Union is the names.
Posted by: Casca at March 11, 2007 11:11 PM (2gORp)
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 12, 2007 07:37 PM (Y9Chl)
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Fred Thompson!! Fred Thompson!!
Awesome facts:
* Not only does Fred Thompson cut taxes, he cuts tax collectors.
* The reason Fred Thompson didn't want to stay in the Senate for long is because all the extra scrutiny kept him from doing his favorite hobby: Prowling the streets at night killing drug dealers.
* Fred Thompson reconsidered running for reelection after 9/11 but later decided to handle things on his own. He was soon seen entering the Middle East with a bottle of tequila in one hand an a handgun in the other. They're still counting the dead.
* When terrorists get to the afterlife, they'll find that none of their seventy-two women are still virgins. Why? Because of Fred Thompson.
* If Fred Thompson was at Thermopylae the movie would have been called "1", and we'd all be wondering if Persia really ever existed.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at March 13, 2007 12:19 PM (xHyDY)
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Apparently Chuck Norris morphed into Fred Thompson.
After a night of partying, Fred Thompson doesn't throw up; he throws down.
Posted by: blu at March 13, 2007 12:40 PM (FQ15n)
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Please remember how instrumental Newt was with the Contract for America. It may seem silly now but this had real resonance with the voters. And that Congressional class kept almost all of it's pledges. He was also key in making Georgia the mostly Republican state it now is. (Even if people here do cut their hands off occasionally)
I can remember back when Newt would be down in the well late at night before the Republicans took over. Watching him on C-Span after everyone else had gone home was inspirational to a geek like me. I never dreamed my party would eventually run the place, and I certainly never thought they would fritter it all away as they did recently.
There's so much disdain for Newt on the left that he's not viable with the Reagan type crossovers. But Shelly's right, he's invaluable as a canidate to keep the debate fresh.
Posted by: Mike C. at March 13, 2007 03:14 PM (86QII)
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>>> Giuliani is far from Republican. With regard to social issues, putting him in the White House would not be an accomplishment
Rudy as NYC mayor — "government exists above all to keep people safe in their homes and in the streets," he (Guilani) said, "not to redistribute income, run a welfare state, or perform social engineering. The private economy, not government, creates opportunity," he argued; "government should just deliver basic services well and then get out of the private sector’s way."
We have just had 6 years of both Republican majorities in Congress and control of the Executive branch. Would you say the result over the last 6 years has been a trend to or away from Rudy's view? As for social issues, again - what has 6+ years of Republican control achieved? If the 109th Congress represents "Republican" views in action, I'm ready for another version of Republicanism.
Except for nominating judges, how much real influence on "social" positions do you expect from the next President regardless of party?
The Defense of Marriage Act was signed by a Democratic President. Hillary may say one thing to homosexual activist groups in private, but do you think she'll get that law legislatively changed? Notice how she deftly avoids that issue when speaking at Black churches (since African-American Christians largely support state initiatives similar to DOMA).
Take "gays" in the military. Changing the policy isn't the elephant in the room. That issue is when gay servicemembers want to get the benefits for their "married" partners -- and federal law prohibits those benefits. Think Congress (even if democratic controlled) is going to override DOMA? Push for Federal civil-unions? I'm sure Hillary would spin the issue (like Bill Clinton signing Kyoto knowing he would never submit the treaty for Senate ratification), but liberals expecting major social issue change from her will probably be as disappointed as some conservatives are with President Bush.
Of course, this discussion is highly contextual on what you mean by "social issues;" however, except for judicial appointment philosophy, I don't see great relevance in the nuances of "social issue" positions among the Republican candidates. The 10 Feb NYT stated Guilani would appoint "strict constructionist" judges (perhaps this statement is what one might expect in both parties during the primaries). That position, along with following his philosophy with regard to the role of government, gives more hope for accomplishment than other "Republicans."
But he has serious thoughts and serious ideas and he adds a quantum of quality to the equation when he is in the room.
Serious doesn't always mean good (take Newt's 20 page primer on national security changes he was paid big bucks to do).. However, I agree if he would moderate all the debates, he would add to the quality of the process..
Posted by: Col Steve at March 14, 2007 02:08 PM (pj2h7)
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Col Steve stole my thunder, look the last two republican presidents we had said all the right things to the social conservatives, pandered to them you might say, and got elected. But they did very little that was actually conservative. Maybe its time the fiscal conservatives get someone in there for a change.
Posted by: kyle N at March 15, 2007 03:02 AM (shDIF)
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The winning ticket will be Rudy and Newt.
And, you'll vote for them because you won't want Hillary and Barack.
'Nuff said?
Posted by: shelly at March 15, 2007 06:42 AM (JQe3J)