Given all the hits Huckabee has taken in the last four days, the question becomes: Where will the folks who drop him move their allegiances?
That's a funny question to ask, because I can think of several more appropriate questions at this stage of the game. For instance:
1. How can Romney fans expect their guy to win the nomination, let alone the general election, when he's going backwards in the polls? In what possible spin universe is a slip from third to fifth in the national polling a good sign for the Romney campaign?
2. Why should I believe that Romney will catch fire once America gets to know him when three weeks ago nobody knew who Huckabee was and they both used the same forum to introduce themselves to us, i.e. the debates? Isn't it time to admit that Romney just isn't able to sell himself to Republicans?
3. If Romney can't sell himself to Republicans, even with the right message, how can we expect him to win the middle third of voters, the independents, whose votes win and lose elections?
4. How is it that Romney, the management genius, can spend so much time and money in Iowa and yet be in a statistical tie with a guy who's spent next to nothing, whose campaign team is supposedly third rate, and who's supposedly not even a real conservative?
5. When will Romney fans stop crying about "religious bigotry" and admit the real reason Romney is such a dud: The Slick Factor?
Romney is in trouble. And no, I don't believe religious bigotry has anything to do with his apparent collapse. Sure, there's people out there who won't vote for a Mormon just because he's a Mormon, but I can't believe they're more than a handful. I certainly haven't met any. I have much more faith in the goodness and good sense of the majority of Republican voters than those who are so quick to ignore Romney's obvious lack of appeal and pin the blame on some non-existent anti-Mormon hysteria.
If Romney still aspires to be anything beyond a one term governor he's going to have to do more than tell us his views on "religious liberty." I don't really care about his opinion on that subject. What I care about is this: can Romney present himself as anything other than the consultant robot he's been in every debate I've seen so far.
We know Romney can buy and sell corporations. Can he sell himself? So far the answer has been a definite no. He says the right things, he's right on the issues, but nobody's buying it. Like Hillary, he's got a perception problem. But unlike Hillary there are still a lot of people, like myself, who are open to being convinced. Romney just needs to figure out how to sound genuine, instead of an overly focus-grouped consultant's idea of what a conservative candidate should sound like.
It's important that Romney figure this out, and soon, because he may just be our only hope. As much as I love Rudy, I have serious doubts about his electability, because there are just too many vulnerabilities in his past. And I'm sure Hillary's team has already mapped out their narrative against Rudy for next fall. They'll leak a scandal a week to their buddies at the New York Times and CNN. It won't matter if the scandals are real or imagined, as long as they reinforce the narrative they will have created. Tough as Rudy is, I don't know if he can survive the onslaught that's waiting for him.
Romney's squeaky clean image, in theory, should immunize him from any Clintonian Swift Boat strategy. Hopefully Romney can learn how to fight back against the Hillary machine without committing the Lazio error, and without curling up into a ball like he did when McCain dressed him down the other night. But the most important thing Romney needs to do is figure out how to make himself likable, and he needs to do that now.
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It isn't so much that he buys and sells corporations that shocks me as it is that he doesn't "sell" them so much as he breaks them up, sells the pieces, throws a bunch of folks out of work and rolls up the carpet on company towns. And what shocks me about that is that none of his idiot competitors has pointed that out yet!
When are those jackals going to understand that they aren't campaigning on Wall Street or the fucking Sunset Strip? Iowa and New Hampshire aren't exactly high finance burgs and a messenger like that suntanned ghoul are lethal. Who doesn't think that the Democrats won't sell that message about Mitt in states like Michigan, Ohio and Pennsylvania pretty persuasively.
Forget the fact that Romney is a whore in a Brooks Brothers suit, regularly repudiates things that he swore by just last week and was sired by a presidential candidate who was brainwashed by the U.S Army.
If by some fluke that mutant gets the nomination the Democrats won't be able to control themselves on going populist and killing the GOP in the midwest, the border states and with independents.
Having said all of that, Huckabee has his own set of problems. Firstly, he only wins with people who prefer the unborn to having something stupid, like a job. Plus, while I happen to agree with him on immigration, 98% of the party doesn't. Plus, he's trying to out-McCain McCain on foreign policy, which only makes him look stupid.
Instead of nominating Huckabee, you may as well exhume Alf Landon and run him.
Also, Giuliani annoys me greatly.
That is all.
Posted by: skippystalin at December 04, 2007 10:06 PM (TUjSW)
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My trick knee tells me that you like Romney, but that you're frustrated by his, as you say, "slickness factor".
Irf so then I am the same way. I have no response other than that I was very impressed with his debates with his Democratic opponant in his campaign for governor.
Maybe what we too readily recoginze as "slick" is simply an ability to think on one's feet.
Maybe not. I dunno.
I like Mitt. I'd vote for him in a heartbeat if he was the nominee. I'm a former "Fred Head". (Former, not because he's wrong about anything, but because he opted to play the "I don't really want to but I'll do it" card. If you don't have the passion for it, forget about it.
I'm not completely happy with any of our contenders but I'm a Rudy guy at this point.
Of all the contenders it's only Rudy, Fred and McCain that seem to have any balls. (And McCain and I disagree on at least two very important issues.)
Pardon my rambling. But, in my opinion, Romney is not slick, he's polite.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at December 06, 2007 12:14 AM (WK3fs)
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I was leaning his way for a while, then one day it hit me. He's a cake-eater born to wealth. Normally that wouldn't immediately disqualify him with me. However, I was listening to him on FOX in an interview, and the guy is disconnected from the pain that government brings into our lives. He's never suffered through an IRS audit. He's got accountants for that. He doesn't have to endure the indignity of modern air travel. His coach awaits!
Now any guy who has to juggle the books to go out to the Hamptons to get a piece of ass from his girlfriend... he has an understanding of the travails of life in these times. Rudy is just more connected. So, for now, I lean towards, as the GF dujour likes to say, "The Cheater". Whatever... she'd stand in line to suck on Bill, and readily acknowledges the dissonance in her thinking.
Posted by: Casca at December 11, 2007 12:10 PM (xGZ+b)
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I call it the "Ken" factor. Damn if he doesn't remind one of Barbie's boyfriend.
He was taped in a heated discussion off mike and off camera last week with an interviewer who he thought was out of line. I believe that if he coould can that and duplicate the attitude and the emotion, he could break out of the Ken mold and take off.
Posted by: shelly at December 11, 2007 08:39 PM (wearR)
More On The Debate
All the buzz this morning on talk radio and the blogs is about the planted questioners from last night's debate. I'm not as outraged at the individual questions — a question is a question — as I am at the fact that they were all designed to perpetuate a Democratic stereotype of Republicans and conservatives. And not only that, since the planted questioners all came from the activist left, yet were only identified by CNN as ordinary citizens, they gave the false impression that ordinary Americans are united against conservative principles. That's simply not true; eight years of Republican presidency prove that it is not.
Questions designed to place the candidates on the defensive have their place, but such questions are fundamentally unfair when the background of the questioner is hidden, and especially when the same tactic is not used against the Democrats in their own debates. Bryan at Hot Air said it:
Last time, the debate was for Democrats and the plants were all Democrats. This time, the debate was for RepublicansÂ…but the plants were still all Democrats.
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Has anyone noticed that Mike Huckabee looks an awful lot like President Charles Logan from 24? Now that Chuck Norris has endorsed Huckabee, could anyone stop him other than Jack Bauer? Read all about it here:http://hedgehogcentral.blogspot.com/2007/11/next-president-of-united-states-huck.html
YouTube Debacle
First off, I pray that the candidates of both parties have the guts never to allow this format ever again. But I know they won't. The format is worse than a joke, it's destructive. Just look at the type of people asking the questions and ask yourself how many people you know in your everyday life who are that weird.
Somebody at CNN chose these questions and that person was not a friend of the Republican party or conservatives in general. It seemed many of the questons were specifically chosen to portray conservatives in a bad light. I certainly saw nothing like that during the Democratic YouTube debate. But not only that, there were too many irrelevant and undignified moments. There is no excuse for Yankees/Red Sox questions or confederate flag questions or questions about biblical inerrancy in a presidential debate during wartime. That said, I do have some impressions of how the candidates did.
I've been a Romney skeptic since I first began hearing about him. It's not that I'm dead set against him, I just want the guy to prove himself to me. I've listened closely to him and he fails to sell himself every time. Up until now I've had trouble putting my finger on why. But tonight I realized that the man just doesn't come across genuine. Every time he gets a hard question he dodges it by saying he'll consult the appropriate people when he's president. I know that's what presidents do, they consult advisers, but when I hear a candidate say it I have to wonder if he has any core beliefs that he can draw upon.
The most famous example of this Romney dodge was when he said he'd consult "the lawyers" before deciding if he would get congressional approval before responding militarily. Just about the worst thing he could have said. Tonight Romney did it twice. On the torture question he said he'd consult McCain, but McCain would have none of it. And looking at Romney's face, I could tell he was embarrassed. I disagree with McCain on the torture issue, but I loved the way he called Romney out on his Hillaryesque refusal to commit to anything. The third time Romney played the "I'll consult" card was on the "don't ask don't tell" question, and it drew boos.
I'm still willing to be persuaded by Romney, because I'm afraid he might be the only winning option against Hillary. But he's not convincing me to feel good about that. The one thing I like about Giuliani the most is that when he says something I can feel his conviction. And that's exactly what Romney is lacking. To my ears, Romney seems passionless and convictionless, even while he's saying the right things. I know it's a perception problem, and maybe I should listen more to what he says rather than how he says it. But a perception problem is an electability problem too. So there's your reason Romney's way behind in the national polls. I'm not the only one who has trouble believing in him.
Regarding the other candidates, I thought Thompson did really well. And I'm the biggest Thompson basher out there. I wish Anderson Cooper had granted him the amount of time his second place position deserved. I'm willing to be convinced by Thompson too, though running him against Hillary would be 1996 all over again.
Giuliani was Giuliani. I know his story, I like him, I don't think he hurt himself tonight. In contrast to Romney citing Bill Cosby, Giuliani's answer to the black on black violence question was spot on. Giuliani reduced black on black violence by reducing violent crime, drastically. Even Romney had to admit that Rudy got results.
Paul has no business being in these debates. He's not a Republican and he's only a distraction who wastes minutes that should go to the real candidates. Everybody knows that, but the media hates Republicans so much I wouldn't be surprised if they invited Paul to participate in the general election debates.
Huckabee's answer on the Bible question was excellent, but he is a preacher.* I'm still leaning Huckabee, but the guy who really rose in my opinion was Duncan Hunter. He's good on all my issues as far as I could tell. No chance to win, but he may be the most solid conservative on the stage. McCain, as always, was great on Iraq and the War on Terror. I'm glad he reminded people that he was the only one who was right on Rumsfeld and the new Petraeus strategy. Tancredo was bumbling and innefectual, as always.
Did anybody miss Brownback, Gilmore or Tommy Thompson? I didn't.
Also, some good stuff at The Scratching Post, including shoes!
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* Giuliani's rambling answer came close to an approximation of liberal Catholic doctrine as I was taught by Jesuits. The actual Catholic doctrine is codified in the Catechism as follows:
The inspired books teach the truth. "Since therefore all that the inspired authors or sacred writers affirm should be regarded as affirmed by the Holy Spirit, we must acknowledge that the books of Scripture firmly, faithfully, and without error teach that truth which God, for the sake of our salvation, wished to see confided to the Sacred Scriptures."
Still, the Christian faith is not a "religion of the book." Christianity is the religion of the "Word" of God, a word which is "not a written and mute word, but the Word which is incarnate and living". If the Scriptures are not to remain a dead letter, Christ, the eternal Word of the living God, must, through the Holy Spirit, "open [our] minds to understand the Scriptures."
[emphasis added]
But I prefer St. Augustine's answer :
For I confess to your Charity that I have learned to yield this respect and honour only to the canonical books of Scripture: of these alone do I most firmly believe that the authors were completely free from error. And if in these writings I am perplexed by anything which appears to me opposed to truth, I do not hesitate to suppose that either the manuscript is faulty, or the translator has not caught the meaning of what was said, or I myself have failed to understand it.
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It is so awesome to have you back! I totally agree with you on the bible comment. Wishy washy folks can go f#ck themselves I know what I believe and nothing will convince me otherwise.
Posted by: Andy at November 28, 2007 09:31 PM (P8ZAx)
Posted by: Nigel at November 28, 2007 09:33 PM (wearR)
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Haul out the holly
We're getting home so we can start to celebrate
Fill up the stockings
We may be rushing things but we can hardly wait now
For we need a little Annika, right this very minute
Candles in the window, carols at the spinet
Yes we need a little Annika, right this very minute
It hasn't snowed a single flurry
Annie, we're all in a hurry
Haul out the holly
Turn on the brightest string of lights we've ever seen
Slice up the fruitcake
It's time we hung some tinsel on that evergreen bough
For we need a little music, need a little laughter
Need a little singing ringing through the rafter
Yes we need a little snappy happy ever after
We need a little Annika now!
Welcome home. By the way, did you pass the bar?
Posted by: Kosher Hedgehog at November 28, 2007 11:07 PM (4Bv8X)
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at November 29, 2007 06:30 AM (xHyDY)
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Thanks for the link!
I missed the question about the Confederate flag. I sure do wish I'd seen that. As a Republican, that question has been bothering me for a long time. I've been on the fence between Fred Thompson and Rudy waiting to hear what they had to say about the Confederate flag.
Posted by: K T Cat at November 30, 2007 10:59 AM (/3yde)
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You guys know I'm kidding about the Confederate flag, right?
Posted by: K T Cat at November 30, 2007 11:00 AM (/3yde)
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Okay, there's a lot there to respond to.
First, I hope to Christ that the GOP cuts out this whiny "the media and Democrats are mean to us" bullshit soon. Politics is ugly and Republicans haven't exactly won the White House 9 of the last 14 times by sending flowers, chocolates and feelings of love. If having some homo general sprung on you during a primary debate that no one but sexless geeks like us are paying attention to gets you all weepy, God help you in the general. In case anyone missed the history, the Clintons play to win!
Romney is nothing but a haircut. Anybody can beat that manicured ghoul. Christ, Romney's dad ran for president on the platform that he was brainwashed by the American military. Anything you need to know about Mitt can be learned from George.
Big John McCain made Romney look like what he is, a blowdried idiot. However, Giuliani just looks desperate and sad when he goes after Mitt if only because the two of them believed exactly the same things until about 10 months ago.
Which brings me to my next point: Romney and Giuliani are both whores. It's very hard to paint a Clinton as being fast and loose with their fundamental beliefs when you're even more so.
Huckabee is interesting in that he embraces all of the things that make both Republicans AND Democrats unelectable. While I find the combination of Marxism and evengelical Christianity interesting, if he were nominated it would be much more like 1936 than '96. If nothing else, Dole won more than three states and I doubt that Huckabee could be Alf Landon.
As to the format, YouTube isn't going anywhere. It's going to the same as those stupid fucking Town Hall debates, where the stupid rule the day.
Having said that, look at the last election before the town hall format: 1988.
The big issues then? The death penalty and the pledge of Alligeience. Two things that the Office of the President has nothing at all to do with. Read the Bush/Dukakis debate transcripts. That's pretty much all you got. And that was when trivial shit like the collapse of the Soviet Union was underway.
Dumb topics like the Confederate flag and what color the candidates Glock is are important because idiot voters make them important. And television ratings are determined almost exclusively by retards.
The first televised debate was in 1960. That election was determined almost entirely by Nixon's sweaty upper lip. So you got the Bay of Pigs and a near-miss on a nuclear war. Feel better?
TV debates should be destroyed in their entirety.
Fuck! I just realized that I should've saved this for my own stupid blog.
I'm such an asshole.
Posted by: skippystalin at November 30, 2007 09:58 PM (TUjSW)
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Speaking of Hannika, here's a treat for all of you.
One of my all time favorites, Tom Lehrer (R.I.P.) singing "Hannukah in Santa Monica"...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZUgr1zh878
Posted by: Shelly at December 12, 2007 05:04 AM (wearR)
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BTW: Skippy, yes you are.
Immigration and Terror will carry this next election.
Bet on it.
Posted by: shelly at December 12, 2007 05:05 AM (wearR)
The Post In Which Annika Reintroduces Herself To Her Readers (Both Of Them) By Answering Randomly Selected YouTube Republican Debate Questions
A Republican YouTube debate? Whose brain farted and came up with that idea. Oh well, welcome to politics, 21st Century style.
Answer: Yes, and yes. Hey, I didn't make the rules.
Answer: I think, or rather, I feel that earmarks should be limited to one per ear, and only in the earlobe. I agree with the questioner that many young people today abuse earmarks excessively. For instance, this latest trend of punching a huge hole in your ear and sticking a pvc tube or a toilet paper roll inside has got to stop.
Answer: You are an idiot. Here's why. 1. Iraq was a debacle, but things are slowly improving. Despite almost four years of incompetence, Bush may just pull a rabbit out of a hat there. 2. Gonzalez didn't fire as many U.S. Attorneys as Clinton. Would you have supported Clinton's impeachment for firing all 93 U.S. Attorneys? I didn't think so. 3. Katrina was a hurricane. Or do you believe that George Bush controls the weather? 4. Abu Ghraib? The only problem I have with what went on at Abu Ghraib, which was not torture by the way, is that some idiot went and took pictures of it. 5. Walter Reed was a bad scandal, but it's being corrected, and nobody seriously thinks the neglect that went on there was official policy. As for Bush being the worst president in U.S. history, the jury is out on that one. I'm still hopeful that historians will rank him somewhere above Carter, but I'm not putting money down on it yet.
Answer: No. That's why I spent 23 years in school, so I don't have to anymore. And I can drive this.
Answer: You are one scary looking dude. It's ironic that you ask about school shootings, because if I ever found myself in a class with you, I'd drop that class so fast it'd make your strange and oddly proportioned head spin. Tell your parents they are idiots.
Answer: What? I didn't catch the last part of your question. I think it was about video game violence. Personally I love violent video games. Especially those war shoot-em-ups like Medal Of Honor and SOCOM, or jet fighter games like Ace Combat. I kick ass at them too. I wish I could make out the last part of your question, sorry.
Answer: I'm sorry. You used the phrase "cruel and dangerous abortions." I think its ironic, because you're so obviously scared that a change in abortion law might cause you to have to be more careful when you're slutting around Huntington Beach. But when I think of cruel and dangerous abortions, I think not of ignorant girls like you, but of the millions of victims of abortion who never had the chance to protest the cruel and dangerous way their lives were snuffed out.
Answer: You're absolutely right Carmen. I would give you the option to take a portion of the money that would normally go into Al Gore's "lock box" and invest it yourself, so nobody can take it away from you and you'd get a much better rate of return than you would if you relied on government to take care of you. I don't believe anyone should ever rely on government to take care of them. The Democrats want you to rely on government because it perpetuates their power over you. But remember, government is usually the problem, and never the solution.
Answer: I love that thing you did with the lid! That was classic! What are you cooking there? I bet it's good. Judging by your waistline you are probably a pretty good cook. Anyways, to answer your question, we got to have an embassy, come on. We can't build an embassy? Where do you want the ambassador and his people to stay, in a hotel? Be realistic, now.
Answer: First of all, thank you Dr. Hawking for that question. I'm a big fan of yours, and like many Americans I thoroughly enjoyed reading the first chapter of A Brief History Of Time. To answer your question, I agree we could all be nicer to our political opponents. Paying them compliments is a good start. I'll pick Senator Dodd, if you don't mind. Senator Dodd, you have a spectacularly thick and full head of hair. It's so much nicer than Senator Biden's failed implant job.
That felt good. I can do more. I'm not back, by the way.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at November 28, 2007 06:28 AM (xHyDY)
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Hehheh... You see, with Cas not being around, someone's gotta pick up the bile quotient.
Anyone wanna lend a hand? Yes, I know my syllable-to-word ratio is higher than his ever was, but I'm only trying to replicate the level, not the form.
Damn, I miss him. Where the hell is he?
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at November 28, 2007 06:30 AM (xHyDY)
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nice Mondo! hey don't you know I stole that line from Reagan!
Posted by: annika at November 28, 2007 07:26 AM (i+Wwa)
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No, I didn't recognize it. But it sounds like something he'd say. It's good advice to take; too many people don't stop and think about that, and only see government as something to enable their wishes (well intentioned or no). Anyway, my "blunt tool" statement was stolen from George Will (although I think his line was actually "blunt instrument"), so we're both sorta in the thieving mood today.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at November 28, 2007 09:22 PM (UNQLe)
7But remember, government is usually the problem, and never the solution.
Anarchist.
Posted by: Ramsay Glaser at November 29, 2007 01:51 AM (U13vA)
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These things are not only a prime example of why the average citizen shouldn't participate in debates, they are perfect in explaining why they shouldn't be allowed to fucking vote in the first place.
Posted by: skippystalin at November 30, 2007 10:12 PM (TUjSW)
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So I wonder if the dude wearing a Chicago t-shirt is from U of C.... It would explain so much.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at December 05, 2007 11:40 PM (njcvI)
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Flock! The flocking law fairy got here before me? I'm ashamed.
Posted by: Casca at December 11, 2007 12:48 PM (xGZ+b)
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Iraq a debacle? My dear, war is a messy business, and like the rest of life, imperfect. Gallipoli was a debacle. Iraq's perceived jumble was the price of doing business. We couldn't have got them where they are today without going through the messy part.
Posted by: Casca at December 11, 2007 12:50 PM (xGZ+b)
Posted by: Andy at November 27, 2007 06:01 PM (P8ZAx)
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Someone go kick Casca and Shelly awake.
Me, I'll admit to being here because I was too damn lazy to delete this entry from my RSS reader. What's your excuse?
Posted by: elmondohummus at November 27, 2007 08:07 PM (UNQLe)
Posted by: annika at November 27, 2007 08:11 PM (mzyb2)
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Puhleeze tell us you are back!
Screw it...I'm blog rolling you anyway. Don't let us down!
Posted by: Nigel at November 27, 2007 10:14 PM (wearR)
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RSS reader aka "aggregator" aka "feed aggregator" aka "news reader" or a whole lotta other crap:
"... is client software or a Web application which aggregates syndicated web content such as news headlines, blogs, podcasts, and vlogs in a single location for easy viewing."
(Source: Wikipedia article)
Or in other words, it's a program where you can centralize a lot of blogs and other sites that can be accessed through RSS, ATOM, or similar protocols. I personally like Sharpreader myself.
Anyway, that "what's your excuse" line was a fun poke at Andy.
I don't care what Anni's excuse is, just as long as she's back for even a little while.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at November 28, 2007 05:33 AM (xHyDY)
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I have been checking once every few days hoping you would come back and it's very cool that you have!
Posted by: Andy at November 28, 2007 09:26 PM (P8ZAx)
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I'd been checking every few days and took off about a week. It's good to see you back.
Posted by: physics geek at December 03, 2007 07:17 AM (MT22W)
Posted by: Casca at December 11, 2007 12:52 PM (xGZ+b)
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I have a life, too.
But Casca has invaded it by letting on that you are back.
How could you do this without lettig us know?
I have to re-order my world again.
Posted by: shelly at December 11, 2007 04:53 PM (wearR)
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Casca let me know, otherwise I'd still be mooning away waiting for you.
How could you start up again and not tell your pals???
Is that any way to run a blog?
Posted by: Shelly at December 11, 2007 04:54 PM (wearR)
Who's Next?
Gigantic rock concerts are good for hearing crappy live renditions of old songs, seeing the backs of a lot of people's heads, getting wasted and dehydrated, and later on wearing a t-shirt so you can say how fun it all was.
But if they couldn't even get Kerry elected, how can they be expected to save the world?
Daltrey and Geldof, veterans of just about every big charity concert in history, apparently believe as I do.
THE WHO's ROGER DALTRY has blasted the big Wembley gig Gore is organising to raise awareness of global warming.
The huge concert - which features performances from the likes of MADONNA and RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS - is taking place at Wembley on July 7 and in other countries around the world.
But Roger, who played with U2 at Live Aid and Live8, reckons the whole thing is a waste of time.
Speaking exclusively to Bizarre, Roger said: "Bo***cks to that! The last thing the planet needs is a rock concert.
"I can't believe it. Let's burn even more fuel.
"We have problems with global warming, but the questions and the answers are so huge I don't know what a rock concert's ever going to do to help.
"Everybody on this planet at the moment, unless they are living in the deepest rainforest in Brazil, knows about climate change.”
The rocker, who used to sing about my g-generation, added: "My answer is to burn all the f***ing oil as quick as possible and then the politicians will have to find a solution.”
Actually, that last one is a brilliant idea. In a sense, that's why I no longer complain about high gas prices. They're the only way to truly motivate people to conserve and find alternative energy sources.
Here's what Geldof said:
Roger's comments come hot on the heels of SIR BOB GELDOFÂ’s equally scathing views.
Last week the Live Aid hero lashed out, saying: "Why is Gore actually organising them? To make us aware of the greenhouse effect?
"Everybody's known about that problem for years. We are all f***ing conscious of global warming."
Roger Daltrey earned even more respect from me, by recognizing that these mega-benefit boondoggles have become exercises in musical back-slapping.
Again Roger complains that unlike the original Live Aid in 1985, where the money went directly to famine relief, the follow-up 20 years later had no achievable aims.
Roger moaned: "What did we really achieve at Live 8? We got loads of platitudes and no action.
"Who were we kidding there?"
I think what he's saying is, "The sixties are over dudes." It's time to start trusting people over 30. Or at least stop believing music can change the world like you did when you were 18.
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"Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss" -The Who
"Politians are the same the world over, always trying to build a bridge where there is no river." -Krushchev
Posted by: Casca at May 20, 2007 04:58 PM (2gORp)
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Your blog is very famous for the little girl/
Whose absence will be heard all around the world...
You are forgiven.
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Good luck, Annie. Thanks for all that you gave us. Goodbye.
Posted by: Robbie at May 20, 2007 09:01 PM (B04jK)
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Thanks annie. I'll miss you too.
Good luck always.
Posted by: d-rod at May 20, 2007 11:39 PM (RUg8X)
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Dear Annika,
Before you go, I want you to know that you were the most intellectual of all the masturbatory stimuli that I have ever encountered. I will fondly miss you, but not for long. My own harem of Asian mail-order brides will be assembled soon. I am not a selfish man, though. In honor of you, I want to share them with the world. They will comprise "The Litterbox", my cathouse. I promise you, at least, I will sometimes unconsciously call out your name in my wet dreams. I won't forget you.
Fapping vigorously for the last time,
Spanky
Posted by: Spanky at May 20, 2007 11:51 PM (8/tWk)
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Rad, you are fucking hilarious!
Get some Korean girls. They have bigger breasts.
Posted by: Casca at May 21, 2007 12:02 AM (2gORp)
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Thank you, Casca. I will definitely take that into consideration.
I guess I'll leave an additional parting thought for you guys to contemplate. Strawman gives new meaning to the term "invertebrate." Not only is he spineless, Strawman was also blessed with an inverted urethra. In other words, his dick naturally runs 180 degrees in the opposite direction, like an innie navel, and intrudes through his anus. This condition forces him to sit down just to take a piss.
Posted by: Spanky at May 21, 2007 07:33 AM (bSS5O)
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"This condition forces him to sit down just to take a piss"
AKA a Sitzpinkler. And yes it is!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at May 21, 2007 08:01 PM (cOyko)
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Indeed, Radical Redneck. Indeed.
Since I'm back again, I reckon I'll provide an epilogue of commentary on some of "The Final Post" posts.
-If Billy's musings about Annika being male are true, I will immediately cut off my right fucking hand after I use a weed eater on my genitals.
-I see that Will couldn't keep his narcissistic attention whore-ism under wraps for the finale. Instead of posting a simple, minimalist "k thx bai" tribute to the hostess, he had to get on a soapbox for his agenda one more time. He is like a vegan soliciting converts. Sure, vegans may be right that eating greens is better for you, but as long as it's a free country, that doesn't mean I will change my dietary habits just to placate their desires. Whether it is lobbying to eat green or be "green", the solicitors of both camps can toss my salad.
Setting aside the anti-corporate populist rhetoric, Will's preening, jejune vilification of lobbyists and special interest groups is laughably hypocritical. After all, each of us as individuals have our own special interests to advance. I've got to make a living, so I don't have the time nor do I feel compelled to camp out like an assclown in front of the Capitol in an attempt to influence my representatives with a placard. That's why I pay proxies, such as the NRA, and Will pays GreenPeace and NAMBLA to do that shit, instead.
Will is the epitome of square. I wouldn't be surprised if such uber squareness had manifested itself on his flesh peg. As children, we knew the futility of inserting square pegs into round holes. Not even a wooden lathe could save Will's sex life.
/Spankilogue
Posted by: Spanky at May 23, 2007 08:27 AM (vcfqn)
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How about "Just Plain Bill" by Eating Louisiana?
Or, "The Boy is Mine", by Monica?
Posted by: shelly at May 17, 2007 10:40 AM (JQe3J)
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My write in vote is for "The B*tch is back" Elton John....
Posted by: howard at May 17, 2007 11:54 AM (48jPo)
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She seriously should use that song. I think it would be awesome, even in a feminist sort of way. Bitch is nothing to be ashamed of. I think if we gotta have a female president, she probably should be a bitch.
Posted by: annika at May 17, 2007 11:59 AM (zAOEU)
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I think I'd like to wait for you to be President, thank you very much.
Posted by: Shelly at May 17, 2007 01:32 PM (JQe3J)
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I think one must consider "Wedding Bell Blues" by Laura Nyro:
"Bill...I love you so; I always will.. I look at you and see the passion eyes of May"..(etc. etc.)
These paradoxical lyrics, when applied to the Clintons, came out about the time Hill was meeting Bill if I'm not incorrect. After learning of his political aspirations I can just picture her, "come on and marry me Biiiiiiiilll, come on and marry me Biiiiiillll," as I think the song went.
Posted by: Mike C. at May 17, 2007 06:46 PM (h/YdH)
Scott Card On GW
From Orson Scott Card's* recent column, "Civilization Watch," on the global warming debate:
How many thousands do you want to spend this year on preventing global warming? And after you find out that there's no proof that humans even cause it, or that it's even a bad thing, how many thousands do you want to spend "just in case"?
Two thousand? Surely you can afford two thousand. What about five thousand?
You're not writing your check. I guess you're not such a true believer after all.
[GW advocate and columnist Andrew] Brod also ignores the fact that the British government report was issued in support of policy changes that are, by any rational standard, pathetic. The changes they are making are ludicrously inadequate to change the levels of greenhouse gases to any significant degree. Given that the results will be near zero, any costs, however divided, might seem exorbitant.
Brod likens this to insurance, but it is not. Insurance is designed to pay you money after a loss. It does not prevent a loss. The valid comparison is to protection money: Somebody comes to you and demands you pay money "or you might have a fire." You pay the money so that they won't burn you out of business.
That's what the global-warming protection racket is about: Hey, we can't prove anything is actually happening, but look how many people we've got to agree with us! You'd better make a whole bunch of sacrifices which, by coincidence, exactly coincide with the political agenda of the anti-Western anti-industrial religion of ecodeism -- or global warming will get you!
Regarding proof, it should be obvious that there can be no proof of a theory that is designed to predict future events. Predictions of future catastrophe can only be proven by waiting to see if it happens. Computerized models that purport to project future events are not proof that those events will take place.
At the most basic metaphysical level, we are all ignorant of the future. I can predict that the earth will continue to revolve as it did today, and thus the sun will come up tomorrow. But to a metaphysical certainty, I have no idea whether I will be proven correct until it happens. If I look out my window, I can't even say for certain that the earth is spinning, or even that it is round. For those facts, I rely on the scientific consensus and my blind faith in the research and observations of others. I have enough confidence in those observations that I don't worry if they are wrong.
But global warming predictions are not based on observations. They can't be, because no one can observe the future. Therefore, when I make a judgment that global warming science is right or wrong, metaphysically speaking, I have no idea what the truth is. Whatever my opinion is, it can only be based on the observations of others, since I have not done the research. But the important point is that nobody has made the relevant observations necessary for proof. Not even the scientists. The data cannot be collected or observed, since the data does not yet exist.
For hundreds of years, Newton's laws were considered to be truth for two simple reasons. First, they accurately described the observed motion of objects and second, they accurately predicted the motion of objects as observed in the future. Based on the technology that existed to detect the necessary proof, Newton's laws were reliable.
Now, of course, we know that Newton's laws are wrong — or at least incomplete. Einstein has superceded them. Only advances in technology have allowed us to see that descriptions of reality based on Newton's work could only approximate reality. Newton gets us close enough for most purposes, but metaphysically speaking, it is not truth.
Yet for hundreds of years, Newton's laws were indistinguishable from the accepted version of reality. (Einstein blew a hole in that by showing us that reality itself is relative.) But the point I'm trying to make is that scientific consensus does not equal truth — even if the scientific consensus, as with pre-Einsteinian physics, conforms to observed reality and appears to predict future observed reality. Global warming theory, since it seeks to predict catastrophes that are far off in the future, doesn't even have those things going for it.†
* A science fiction writer. I read his most famous book Ender's Game, and thought it was creepy and over-rated.
† Which is not to say that GW science is wrong, only that we can not presently know whether it's right or wrong. This is why there's such an emphasis on "consensus." But the media, who don't understand the scientific method, continue to misrepresent "consensus" as truth, when in fact it is not. Without the ability to obtain proof, consensus is about the best people can do, but it is still something short of proof.
Posted by: reagan80 at May 12, 2007 11:51 AM (iXkL1)
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The Apollo astronauts got to the moon using Newtonian mechanics, even though that was decades after Einstein, and even though no-one had done that before. The expectation that the atmosphere will get warmer as the CO2 goes up is grounded in physics which is just as fundamental. I think you would be better advised to get behind the Asia-Pacific Partnership on Clean Development and Climate, which is a technology-driven Bush initiative for dealing with the problem.
Posted by: mitchell porter at May 12, 2007 11:06 PM (275PL)
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The error in Newtoninan physics is negligible and only becomes a factor at the extremes, for instance when something travels at close to light speed. That's why I said: "Newton gets us close enough for most purposes, but metaphysically speaking, it is not truth."
I don't deny that there is science behind the predictions of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. I'm making philosophical and rhetorical points here. One, we can't know if the theory is correct without observations. Two, my Newtonian analogy suggests that "consensus" is not always truth, so don't get too excited when you hear the word.
Posted by: annika at May 13, 2007 07:04 AM (WfR6S)
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Annika,
The problem I have with the reasoning of your piece is that you are talking about living in a material, probabilistic world where "truth" is not relevant. Scientists search for best answers to observable phenomena and then make statistical statements about the outcome of similar events in the future. It generally works and everything we do, drive over a bridge, take an elevator, eat the contents of any package, land on the moon with the confidence that it is there when we have never touched it and only infer its presence from observations made from 235K miles away, etc.
To impose the philosophic idea of "truth" to the realms of science is not productive and cannot be helpful in support any predictions about outcomes in the future.
You, me and the rest all live in a world of probabilities that we, for the most part, reliably predict each moment. To dismiss GW as unknowable because assuming a truth in the future is prohibited by definition advances nothing.
I am not convinced that the activities of humans have caused or exacerbated the global warming that seems to be occurring. I am not sure how much I am willing to spend to attempt to affect it. I am sure that dismissing it is not judicious given the possible catastrophic outcomes, nor am I moving inland or filling sandbags in Battery Park.
Posted by: Strawman at May 13, 2007 09:18 AM (et8nf)
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In the second paragraph, Roach makes another point about how Global Warming resembles a religious movement.
Posted by: reagan80 at May 13, 2007 09:40 AM (iXkL1)
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rAYGUN,
Tell me what does not resemble a religious movement.
The belief that the war in Iraq is important to the GWOT?
The belief that a gun laden America is a safer America?
Posted by: Strawman at May 13, 2007 10:32 AM (et8nf)
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"The belief that the war in Iraq is important to the GWOT?"
For all of his faults, Bush had the foresight to confront terror-sponsoring states before they could someday enable a nuclear kamikaze attack on our soil.
Before the invasion, there were at least 4 enemy states suspected of developing nuclear weapons: Iraq, Iran, North Korea, and Libya*. Now, Iran and North Korea remain. In response to the continued Iranian threat, the Gulf Arab States are ostensibly pursuing their own nuclear development programs for supposedly civil purposes. Motivated by a history of racial/ethnic (Arab vs. Persian) and sectarian (Sunni vs. Shia) tensions, a nuclear arms race** is underway in the Middle East. If Iran were stopped, this trend could be reversed.
While Saddam may not have had an extensive nuclear program at the time of our invasion, Iran leaves no doubt that they are indeed working to acquire nukes and have announced their willingness and intent to use them. Like North Korea, Iran was developing them before 9/11. If Bush had never invaded Iraq and maintained the regional status quo, Iran would have made the bomb first and Saddam would have inevitably countered his neighboring Persian nemesis by resuming his own nuclear development.
In order to preserve the Middle Eastern balance of power, some realists would say that Iraq would have been justified in pursuing a deterrent in the case of Iran joining the nuclear club. However, Saddam has proven that he wasn't much of a rational actor based on several gross miscalculations (such as invading Iran and Kuwait) he has made. He and his sons could never be trusted to responsibly possess such a capability.
If Bush had let the sleeping dogs of Iraq and Iran lie, we'd have still had to invade, or even destroy, them both later anyway. Like they say, "Either you pay the bill now, or pay it later with compounded interest."
*Saddam was captured a week before the Libyans' revelation, BTW. Make your own conclusions about how that could have factored into their decision.
**I would also like to point out the irony that, despite Israel having most likely possessed a nuclear deterrent for a couple decades now, it is the fear of Iranian domination that pushed the Arab states into starting their own nuclear programs.
Posted by: reagan80 at May 13, 2007 02:04 PM (iXkL1)
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Raygun,
Stupid conclusions based on lies and more!
The number of fallacious unerlying arguments supporting the crap above is typical of the reasoning that passes for TRUTH around here. Iraq had NO nuculer program to name the first, and the only non-nuke WMD's they had we sold them. Trhey had no capacity to make anything more frightening than discolored powdered milk.
GIve it up, pal. Invasion cover by tattered hankies of trumped up bullshit and fear of GWOT is still a crime that last time I checked my moral compass.
Posted by: Strawman at May 14, 2007 06:22 AM (et8nf)
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Straw,
That's a rebuttal? Everything he wrote is accurate. You know it and, therefore, couldn't rebut it with anything besides childish, ad hominem attacks. They did not have a functioning weapon, but they did have a nuclear program. And they were actively trying to put the pieces together to develop a weapon.
Stop tring to re-write history to fit your political agenda.
Posted by: blu at May 14, 2007 07:54 AM (o6U00)
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Anni, you are mixing domains (philosophy and science); briefly put, science is the pursuit of knowledge through observation, hypothesis, analysis, and repetition, not necessarily in that order. Philosophy is too long a topic to espouse on here, but suffice to say, any issue can have any number of arguments presented/asserted with varying levels of support. Let's examine some of yours;
1. But global warming predictions are not based on observations.
The science of climatology is based on observations of climate trends, leveraging astrophysics, atmospheric physics, chemistry, ecology, geology, geophysics, glaciology, hydrology, oceanography, and volcanology, among others. From these observations, multi-variate climatic behaviors are deduced and trialed against the existing data. The current models have enhanced behavior rulesets that are fairly well calibrated against the best data we have at our disposal. Can they accurately predict the future? Have predictions from early, rough models 20 years ago done well against observations over the same timeframe? See below.
The blurb you quoted from Card is full of empty, baseless claims; he clearly doesn't have anything to offer but emotive cues. Paying attention to pundits and talking heads on this subject is an utter waste of time; they really don't know anything more than they've read from some other pundit or shill. If you want to learn something interesting on this subject in a semi-daily fashion, I recommend reading this blog by a group of paleoclimatologists and modelers.
You'll see today's article about an early climate model from 1988 and how its predictions almost 20 years ago stacks up to climate observations over that same time period.
2. the important point is that nobody has made the relevant observations necessary for proof.
We technically haven't proven a link between smoking and lung cancer, though there are definitely clear epidemiological trends. Remember, Newton was very close to being completely correct, just not at the extreme edges. So if climate models are 99% correct, or even just 90% correct, that's enough in the ballpark to make decisions about mitigation and adaptation (the latter not being 'free' by a long shot).
There is not the space in a short message like this to explain the many aspects with any depth of detail. I recommend that you visit RealClimate about twice a week to come up to speed on the subject and stay current. Indeed, I challenge anyone here to do so and stay a denialist for more than 3 months.
Posted by: will at May 15, 2007 11:40 AM (z62e3)
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Will,
There are many, many men and women much smarter and well-informed than you who are "denialists."
Such arrogance....
Posted by: blu at May 15, 2007 05:08 PM (YIU3p)
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blu, you make an interesting pronouncement, though there is a dearth of metrics to support your claim. I make it a point to choose to listen to those who know what they are talking about, instead of simply babbling away like Card. Being smarter about sources keeps one from having their head filled with propaganda by the "much smarter and well-informed" pundits, lobbyists, and surrogates.
Afraid to accept my challenge? I'm sure you'll come up with some excuse.
Posted by: will at May 15, 2007 06:29 PM (h7Ciu)
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No doubt, you are more on top of it than the numerous scientists that don't support your position.
You are a propogandist for a cause. That's it. Unfortunately, your cause will do little more than destroy economies and hurt poor and middle class people while doing nothing for the environment. How many people are you willing to put out of work, Will?
Posted by: blu at May 15, 2007 07:22 PM (YIU3p)
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blu wrote: No doubt, you are more on top of it than the numerous scientists that don't support your position.
I appreciate your confidence in my abilities, but you'll find that there are really a tiny minority of scientists actively involved in climate research who support your position. And every year or so, they have to step back from one or more claims; early 90's "It's a LIE that the Earth is warming"; late 90's "Ok, it's warming, but it's a LIE that warming could result from human activities."; early 2000's "Ok, so human warming is taking place, but it's a LIE that it accounts for most of the warming"; now "We just don't know enough".
You are a propogandist for a cause. That's it.
That's it, eh? Ok, I'll humour you; Show me the misinformation I've peddled, and the propaganda techniques I've used to peddle it. Be clear and concise with your analysis. I'll even give you a link for your benefit;
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/546409/posts
Unfortunately, your cause will do little more than destroy economies and hurt poor and middle class people while doing nothing for the environment. >i>
Unsupported assertion. Have the economies of Kyoto nations been destroyed? Let's look at Germany and the UK, two heavily industrialized nations; what impact has this had on their economies? How much debt are they currently carrying and how much do they go in the whole per year?
You find it easy to make specious statements, but unless you have naught but fustian
How many people are you willing to put out of work, Will?
:-) When are you going to stop beating your wife, blu?
Still afraid to accept my challenge? I'm frankly not surprised...
Posted by: will at May 16, 2007 04:18 AM (z62e3)
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And blu, why not check out how accurate your vaunted climate skeptics really are, starting with the 'esteemed' Patrick Michaels;
http://www.logicalscience.com/skeptics/patMichaels.html
Posted by: will at May 16, 2007 06:04 AM (z62e3)
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I always find it curious that armchair denialists so frequently base their arguments with appeals to purported scientific authorities. If you're going to make the argument from authority, you need to explain why you choose to ignore the *vast* majority of authorities (climate scientists) who believe the case for anthropogenic global warming has been made.
Regarding Card's article, he seems to claim that all the recent warming is due to solar forcing. I'm going to make my own appeal to authority: see this claim thoroughly debunked by climate scientists at Real Climate.
Also, you claim that AGW theory can only be tested by waiting to see what happens in the future, and indeed that future predictions is all that the science is about. This is false. Much of the science involves explaining what forcings caused recent warming.
Posted by: Samuel Quill at May 29, 2007 11:37 PM (9HjfR)
Draft Thurl Ravenscroft!
I feel the need to disabuse you all of the myth that is Fred Thompson.
Fred Thompson is not the savior. Repeat. Fred Thompson is not the savior. He does not ride a white stallion. He does not wear a white hat. Thus, he can not ride to the rescue of a Republican party that has lost its way. Stop expecting him to.
I'm not convinced that Fred Thompson will enter the presidential race. Neither am I convinced that if he runs he will win the nomination. He's currently polling third. Third is not first. Third is third. And right now that means he's in the low teens. Despite the fact that a lot of otherwise reasonable people think he's a viable candidate, polling in the teens does not indicate a huge groundswell of support.
I think a lot of people are projecting their own hopes on Fred, unreasonably. Sure, none of the top candidates are perfect conservatives. Sure, George W. Bush has been a disappointment for those of us who idolize Ronald Reagan. But wishing Fred Thompson is another Ronald Reagan does not make him so. And wishing Fred Thompson is another Ronald Reagan does not make him electable.
I've accepted this fact and you should too: We will not see another Ronald Reagan in our lifetime. The best we can hope for is that our presidents try to emulate him, but they will never duplicate him. The man was that great.
Please also remember the following (those of you who know a lot about Reagan should already know this): Reagan was a great man and a great president because above all, he was a great thinker. He thought big things, and he thought about them all his life. Before he entered politics he had his own idea of how the world should work. When he entered public life he put his ideas into practice. But make no mistake, the thinking part came first.
Fred Thompson has it exactly backwards, and too many people are forgetting that. Reagan left acting to enter public service. Fred Thompson left public service to become an actor. That should tell you something about their comparative priorities.
And don't tell me people aren't attracted to Thompson in large part because he is an actor. I'm sure the theory is that his acting experience should give him the ability to connect to the average voter. Reagan was an actor and he was "the great communicator." Therefore all actors who run for office should make great communicators. It sounds silly when you say it out loud because it is silly.
"But," you say, "Fred Thompson agrees with me on all the issues." Yah well, so do I. Why don't you write my name in? Being right on the issues is not enough, and never has been. Running for president is a huge, difficult job and I don't think Fred has what it takes to win.
First, you gotta have the right contacts, and lots of them. What contacts does Fred have? Contacts get you donors, and volunteers, who in turn get you money. You need a lot of money to run for president, and this time around you need a lot more than during past elections because the big states have all moved their primaries up front. Name recognition is not enough.
You still need money because you have to pay big staffs, and consultants, and they all have to travel, and you have to buy ads and computers and cell phones and pay rent on offices in fifty states, and spend your money on countless other expenses that eat it up like crazy. At this late date, Thompson's rivals have too big a head start.
Besides that, all the most experienced consultants are spoken for. Who's going to guide Thompson's campaign? Will he have to settle for some amateur? If you think these things don't matter, you're dreaming. Bush got half his contacts from family and business connections. The other half Karl Rove brought with him.
I'll always remember something I heard Phil Jackson say to his team in a huddle during one of their losing playoff runs. "I know you guys want to win, wanting to win is not enough." I know lots of people want Thompson to win, but it's not enough. He has to have the resources, the money, the people, the contacts, the ideas and the fire in the belly. I don't see him having any of that stuff. All I see is a relatively likeable conservative, who's been flattered way too much for anyone's good.
And as for qualifications, I have as much executive experience as Fred Thompson. What has he ever run in his life? A few months ago I explained one reason why I prefer candidates with executive experience over former legislators.
Theoretically, executives must work in the real world where results are expected. Therefore, they should be more results oriented. Legislators on the other hand, work in a world of theoretical projections, possibilities and imaginary outcomes. When they fuck up, they're rarely held to account because they simply blame the other party, the executive, or both.
Even giving him the benefit of the doubt, Thompson only had eight years experience in the Senate. What are his accomplishments? If you can name any, how do they match up with Rudy's, or Romney's or Huckabee's records as executives. Even more than running for the post, being president is also a huge, difficult job. Thompson would need on-the-job training. I don't care how solid he is on the issues. I'm really not sure I want someone who's never run an organization running the executive branch of the most important organization on the planet.
"But, he's got a great speaking voice..." Okay. He does have a pleasant baritone. But if that's all it takes to get your vote, why stop at baritone? Why not draft a bass? If vocal timbre is all it takes to be president, we should have had a President Thurl Ravenscroft!
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"The best we can hope for is that our presidents try to emulate him, but they will never duplicate him."
Sadly, you're right about that, but I'm still hoping you are wrong about Thompson.
"Reagan was a great man and a great president because above all, he was a great thinker.
Indeed. Gerard Baker recently noted:
[The President was being briefed on the invasion plans by his senior military officers just before the Grenada operation. As was often the case, Mr Reagan did not seem to be paying close attention, according to one of those present. But when the briefing was over he had one question. He wanted to hear again the number of troops the planners were going to send in. He was told a figure and shook his head. “Make it twice that,” he told a slightly puzzled general. Asked why, the President said calmly: “If Jimmy Carter had sent 16 helicopters rather than eight to Desert One to rescue the US hostages in Iran in 1980, you’d be sitting here briefing him today, not me.”]
To me, however, Reagan's biggest "sin of omission", as far as I know, was not suitably avenging the deaths of those Marines in Beirut. By "suitably", I mean that the administration's response should have been to depopulate the area within a 300 mile radius. It would provide some solace if I at least knew that KGB-styled acts of clandestine retribution were carried out by our gov't against the Hezbos.
Posted by: reagan80 at May 10, 2007 10:16 PM (iXkL1)
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Never see another Reagan? Hmmmm, well since I lived through the Reagan years as a Reaganite, I'll tell you this. You're seeing one now. Oh, he's not the great communicator, but most of it is there, and he's younger and more vigorous.
Almost nothing happened in the second Reagan administration. Reagan is remembered for confronting the Russkys, thus winning the cold war, an issue much in doubt when he left office, and for making the hard correct decision on tightening the money supply and ending inflation. Controlling inflation unleashed the torrent of economic growth that we live on today, but few recognize this.
Dubyah will be remembered for leading us out of the darkness of 9/11, and confronting Islam. We'll need to wait twenty years to get it in perspective.
Posted by: Casca at May 11, 2007 06:51 AM (Y7t14)
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I have to agree with Casca on his point. As far as foreign policy and taxes are concerned, Dubya is every bit a Reaganite. His fiscal spending, however, has been a disaster.
The biggest problem with candidates now is that they spend too much time talking about Reagan and not enough time just being a Reaganite. They need to stop talking about how great Reagan was and concentrate on going forward with the conservative agenda.
I don't know that we'll see a Reagan in the '08 election, but if the GOP gets stomped a couple more times like they did this passed November, someone is going to get the message and start acting like a true conservative again.
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"Dubyah will be remembered for leading us out of the darkness of 9/11, and confronting Islam."
You're right, Casca. However, his once admirable stubbornness to cling to nation-building is bogging down our anti-proliferation efforts. As the Derb once stated...
[GWB should borrow a rhetorical figure from the Great Liberator and say: "If I could stop nukes from spreading around the Middle East without democratizing any of their countries, I would do it; and if I could stop it by democratizing some and leaving others alone I would also do that. What I do about democratization, and the Muslim Middle East, I do because I believe it helps to stop the spread of nuclear weapons technology to people who should not have it."]
Posted by: reagan80 at May 11, 2007 07:51 AM (iXkL1)
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Aw shucks Annika, next you'll be telling me that there's no Santa Clause!
Posted by: Janette at May 11, 2007 08:58 AM (5R+zg)
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re the Santa Clause, Tim Allen has done the most extensive research on that issue.
Posted by: annika at May 11, 2007 09:12 AM (zAOEU)
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This is a wonderful observation about Reagan's "thinking". The reason Reagan was so great is that he brought true conservatism to the White House, for the first time ever, maybe.
Reagan was a conservative visionary at a moment when few - outside of true believers - believed conservatism would work.
The Laffer Curve was less than a decade old when Reagan embraced it as his raison d'etre for tax cuts. The took some guts.
Reagan was a visionary on the USSR. Reagan did his own thinking - as Annika points out - on a range of social and societal issues. The man was his own thinker, and his own man. Reagan was a talented communicator who could dismiss his critics with a flick of his wrist.
GWB - I should say I am a big, humongous fan of GWB. I literally thank God that GWB is our President. GWB is a visionary about Islamism. GWB has done, maybe, as much as could've been done about Islamism, given the domestic cultural and political forces GWB was dealing with.
GWB is an earnest thinker about issues. He generally makes good decisions, and he generally plays the political knife-fight game well.
But GWB is not the seasoned and independent thinker Reagan was. Reagan made his national tour of public meetings in the early 1960's, when he represented GE. These meetings were the equivalent of talk radio. Reagan matched wits with all comers. I always think this was like graduate school for Reagan's political thinking. I believe it seasoned him, and forged his beliefs, and gave him confidence in his beliefs.
A confident President - a seasoned thinker, with confidence in his own beliefs - would've never signed McCain-Feingold into law; would've never filed a friend of the court brief in favor of Affirmative Action in the Michigan case; would've never allowed U.S. controlled Al Hurra to broadcast Islamist propaganda; would've never allowed Condi to meet with Assad. A seasoned President would've already "slipped", during a pre-speech sound test, and said into a hot mike: "the bombing of Tehran begins in 5 minutes."
I say this with great respect: I love GWB to death. But he is not the visionary, seasoned, confident intellect or talent which Reagan was.
Posted by: gcotharn at May 11, 2007 11:23 AM (Ucsqp)
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I will say this: Roberts and Alito are about ten zillion times better than Reagan's SC appointees. They are about twenty zillion times better than danged Sandra O'Connor was. If GWB had not come along and defeated Gore, our nation might now be crumpled down upon our knees, groping in the dirt. Thank God for GWB. History will look upon GWB with great favor, I think. Many decades from now, GWB might gain status as one of our nation's finest Presidents. Even if a worst case Iraq scenario occurs, and Iraq falls to an Islamist dictatorship, GWB has nevertheless introduced a vibrant democratic conversation into that region - for the first time in history. You can't keep people down on farm, once they have seen the big city. That vibrant democratic conversation will reap great and historic long term benefits - regardless of what happens in the short term. GWB rocks!
Posted by: gcotharn at May 11, 2007 11:38 AM (Ucsqp)
Posted by: shelly at May 12, 2007 08:15 AM (h/YdH)
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DRAFT CASCA FOR PRESIDENT!!!
P.S. I don't think I've got 20 years to wait for GWB to be proclained a great president; I'm ready to do it now.
Posted by: shelly at May 12, 2007 08:17 AM (h/YdH)
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Even David McCullough wouldn't be able to turn GWB into a great president, if the surge fails.
Posted by: annika at May 12, 2007 08:23 AM (WfR6S)
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I am a radical in this area: our definition of success in Iraq is skewed. Decades from now, we may see that our venture in Iraq has already succeeded, via introducing a vibrant democratic conversation into the region, for the first time in history.
I think some rocky form of democratic government is likely to succeed long term in Iraq. I think that is a humongous historic achievement, though our Congress and media will, in the immediate, call it failure.
If the worst case happens, and democratic government is a complete failure in the immediate, I say any theocratic government will be eventually overthrown by a more moderate, open, and free government. Even in the worst case, our regional introduction of democracy will take hold, and will win out, eventually.
I'm way out on a limb with my opinion, but that is truly the way I see it.
Posted by: gcotharn at May 12, 2007 09:49 AM (Ucsqp)
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"The reason Reagan was so great is that he brought true conservatism to the White House, for the first time ever, maybe."
Don't forget Coolidge.
"GWB has done, maybe, as much as could've been done about Islamism, given the domestic cultural and political forces GWB was dealing with."
True. Bush did everything he could to wage a good-intentioned war without having a draft. However, that is everything short of just carpet-bombing the place into submission or salting their walter supplies. While we may not have enough troops to perform a successful nation-building campaign, we do have more than enough to kill and break anything in their path. The administration should have listened to Ralph Peters sooner instead of persisting on idealistic, politically correct warfighting.
On getting more troops for the war, Neal Boortz had this idea:
[Getting more hardware is easy. Place the order and pay for it. Easy enough. But how do we get more troops? Some in Congress have called for a draft. Bad move. A Military draft is essentially forced labor. Short of an invasion of our shores by an aggressor, there is absolutely no public support for a draft in this country. Period. So we're going to have to recruit more troops.But Iraq remains a dangerous place. Not too many people are going to want to sign up, knowing that they could come home in a body bag. But there is a way to get more people to sign up, and you can do it in a second. How do you think Halliburton is getting people to fly over to Iraq and drive trucks? You might say nobody in their right mind would do that.But they're doing so because of one reason and one reason only: money. Private contractors are bringing people in to do jobs like that for six figures. If the U.S. Military announced tomorrow that the recruiting bonus was $50,000 and the annual combat pay was being increased to $100,000, we'd have all the troops we'd ever need. While they're at it, how about jacking up the death benefit to a million dollars? Whatever it takes.]
"....would've never allowed Condi to meet with Assad...."
I would also like to add to that list, "...would've never frittered away the treasury war chest, several months into the Iraq war, for a prescription entitlement program."
And, finally, I second Shelly's motion.
Posted by: reagan80 at May 12, 2007 01:42 PM (iXkL1)
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Good Gawd, I go on the road for a couple of days, and good fellowship breaks out. I love you guys too, even when you're wrong. I'm unelectable.
Republican Primary Update
On one issue, I am not a "big tent" Republican. I don't think there should be room for pro-abortion candidates in the Republican party. But I think abortion is a great moral evil, so it follows that I don't think there should pro-abortion candidates in the Democratic party either. Nevertheless, I don't live in a perfect world. Much as I am confounded by his illogical position on the abortion issue, Rudy Giuliani is still the front-runner for my party's nomination.
But the same can't be said of Mitt Romney, who even after getting rave reviews for his debate performance last Thursday night, still remains mired in fourth place. Gallup even has him losing ground after the debate.
What's the difference between Romney and Giuliani? Both have flip-flopped on abortion. (So did I, by the way. Although I came over from the dark side much earlier than Romney, who "says" he switched in 2004). Giuliani donated to Planned Parenthood three times. Romney's wife donated $150 only once, back in 1994.
Both men supposedly have an impressive record of accomplishments. Rudy's is better known to me. He fixed an unfixable city, I watched him do it. Romney did something or other with the Olympics and as far as I know he was a successful governor of Massachussets.
One might say it's anti-Mormon prejudice. It might be, there certainly is some of that going on. But I don't think that explains all of it. I personally don't have any problem with Romney's religion, yet I don't like him at all. What's up with that?
I think one reason I don't like him is that he polls so badly, and I badly want to win. Would I like him better if he were a stronger candidate? Perhaps. I'm open to voting for Romney in the primary (which is more than I can say for Rudy or McCain), if Romney could somehow prove that he can beat Hillary, but so far he hasn't proven that.
Then there's the intangible slickness factor. Romney seems slick. I'll admit that's a silly reason not to vote for somebody, but I doubt I'm the only one who has noticed it about him. I also doubt I'm the only one who's slick-averse after eight years of Clinton. Would America vote for slick over shrew? I don't know. But I do know Romney's got a lot of work to do if he's going to get my vote.
For now, I'm leaning towards Mike Huckabee. He impressed me* during last week's debate, although he's not good on tax policy from what I understand. He has zero chance in hell of winning the nomination and Hillary would crush him like a bug anyway. But I always vote my conscience in the primary, and save my pragmatism for the general.
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"But I always vote my conscience in the primary, and save my pragmatism for the general."
Great. I feel all warm and fuzzy now.
If all the one-issue voters do that we could end up with Huckabee or Brownback or [insert any other pro-life, "I love Jesus", uninspiring, white male]and get our asses handed to us by Hillary or Obama.
I know we've already had this debate, but I think '08 is a different sort of year. The country does not support this war, and, fair or not, they are not likely to vote for a person that closely resembles George Bush in social policy or that sounds exactly the same on the GWOT. (Don't get me wrong: I think Bush is correct on the GWOT, but he is probably the worst possible salesman for the job.)
We need a person who is socially moderate enough to attract independent voters - who we have been losing lately - but not so moderate that he loses the conservatives. Rudy fits that criteria pretty well. Yeah, he's pro-choice but so is most of America. Abortion is just not an issue that the majority sit home and worry about.
I, personally, will spend a lot more time worrying about a candidates view on the GWOT, his fiscal policy, his view on illegal immigration, and his ability to kick Hillary's fucking ass. Rudy is the only Republican - currently declared -that can beat Hillary. Nobody else has a fucking prayer.
Reps need to decide if they want to be "right" or if they want to win. Do you want 75% of what you like or 10% of what you want?
I wanna win.
Posted by: blu at May 09, 2007 06:36 PM (NntAN)
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Greetings Annika,
I like Mitt for a number of reasons and not because he's a mormon, which I happen to also be, but for all the other reasons. I like what he did for the Olympics and that he was a governor of a state. Sadly, he has the same kind of experience that Jimmy Carter had in 1976. I think we are more savy at choosing elected officals than we were then.
I like Rudi, warts and all. No slickness about him that's for sure.
Posted by: Drake Steel at May 09, 2007 11:58 PM (CiU4y)
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Just found your blog and you rock! Sucks that you are ending this stellar commentary in a few days, I wish I'd discovered it sooner.
Your political commentary made me stand up and cheer, and laugh out loud. Good stuff! Best of luck to you ~
Posted by: Lalah at May 10, 2007 01:41 AM (TYera)
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I agree with Blu, and I will go even further.
The last two Republican Presidents were both selected partly because of their strong anti-abortion stands and what did it get us? Two clueless blue-bloods with nearly zero fiscal responsibility.
Maybe its time to draw a little from the other side of the big tent.
Posted by: kyle N at May 10, 2007 03:29 AM (uKJF8)
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Of all the candidates currently in the race, I, too, like Huckabee's politics best. However, we all know he's pretty much dead in the water. I am, however, still holding a place in my heart for Fred. I think that when he finally jumps in, he is going to dramatically alter the landscape for '08. And, we get someone from our side of the tent who is definitely electable.
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Woe unto him who ignores the wisdom of Hewitt, and that other prescient Buckeye, Casca.
A poll doesn't tell you shit, unless you have the question asked, and the crosstabs. Without those two ingredients, you know nothing.
Posted by: Casca at May 10, 2007 06:43 AM (Y7t14)
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Yes, the slick factor likely makes a number of people leery of Romney (though one of my sheep is a Romney).
Good of you to stand up for your principles and vote your conscience; if only more people did that instead of acted just like sheep.
And I too like many of Huckabee's stances, especially his answer to this question in the last debate.
Posted by: will at May 10, 2007 07:35 AM (z62e3)
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I didn't have time to read the entry today but I wanted to ask: how did some of you regulars find Annika's Journal (which I will really miss)? I found this blog while guest-blogging for Doug TenNapel about a year ago. I just wanted to say thanks for putting a good blog out, and you're really smart and talented.
Posted by: Joules at May 10, 2007 11:55 AM (u4CYb)
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I am just bewildered by anyone who thinks that Rudy is "Moderate". Rudy is as democrat as you can get. I would be completely shocked if someone as gun literate as Annika would give any support to a guy who would prefer to make guns illegal. (That's what he credits for his cleaning up of NYC. Nevermind the fact that it took a large police force to get the guns off the streets. But surely it was just the guns that made the difference. *rolleyes*)
Personally, Rudy and Hillary are synonymous in my mind. If Rudy wins the primary, I'll probably vote third party and that is WAY out of my character.
I really like Mike Huckabee. I think if the hard core Republicans out there actually did some research on the candidates, Huckabee would gain a lot of ground.
I agree with the "slick-factor" on Romney. He reminds me too much of Gore. (More in personality than in politics, but some of both.)
If Fred crashes the party, I'll be voting for him.
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Yeah, Trint, it is a sad state of affairs that we are left with such shitty choices. If we're lucky, Rudy will go the "states' rights" route on gun control issues. BTW, remember that Bush originally pledged in 2000 to renew the "assault weapons" ban.
Anyway, I wish I would've been the first to say this to the Lefty shitheads. Thank you, Ed Kline.
[Oh, and let's be clear, my feelings about Bush in general are very similar to Lee’s, but I hate it when liberals chime in with their “I told you so” bullshit. It's like all of the sudden I am supposed to agree they were right all along. However, I don't remember liberals warning me in 2000 that Bush wasn't sufficiently conservative enough for me.I don't like Bush now because half the reasons liberals hated him aren't even true.(not that they ever give him credit for being a big government guy like themselves) And most importantly I don't remember the Democratic party giving me a viable alternative to Bush. As much as Bush’s second term has been a bitter pill for me to swallow, I would still prefer him over Gore or Kerry.]
[Well that's just it, Bob, I didn't do that. I addressed the whole ‘Bush was always incompetent’ thing. Bush turned 800,000 dollars into 15,000,000, in less than 10 years, so when you use his turn as a baseball owner as an indication of his ‘always being an incompetent’, I am going to call you on it. I also addressed the whole Sosa thing because you used that as well.The problem Bob is you did NOT tell me so. You (and when I say you I mean liberals, the Gore-Kerry advocate press and Bush’s Democratic opponents) told me many things. You told me that Bush would appoint Supreme Court justices who would rival Taliban members in how backward they are. Guys like horror of horrors Sam Alito, (which was fine with me). You did not tell me he would betray me by trying to nominate Harriet Myers. You told me that compassionate conservatism was nonsense, and Bush would gut government progams designed to help the poor(again fine by me), not expand entitlement programs like prescription drugs for the elderly. It's like I said before, you certainly didn't tell me that Bush’s conservatism was to be questioned. The case you made against Bush was that he was way too damn conservative. You were afraid he was another Reagan.(oh if only it were so) So you most certainly did NOT tell me so.]
Posted by: reagan80 at May 10, 2007 07:19 PM (iXkL1)
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Thank you Lalah and Joules.
Good find Reagan80.
Posted by: annika at May 10, 2007 08:58 PM (WfR6S)
Posted by: Che' is my muse at May 11, 2007 12:07 AM (mXI7A)
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"Rudy is as democrat as you can get."
"Rudy and Hillary are synonymous in my mind."
With all due respect, those are inane comments. Because a former mayor of America's largest city supports various forms of gun control doesn't make him a "Democrat." Neither does being pro-choice. Those are two policy positions that are supported by the majority of American citizens both Rep and Dem. Rudy's stated positions, however, on issues that matter more: GWOT, fiscal responsibility, illegal immigration, and judges are all solidly conservative - and distinctly different from Hillary and Obama's positions.
BTW, having several close friends that are cops, I can tell you that most police officers support various forms of gun control. Does that make them all "democrat as you can get"? I don't think so: Most are very conservative and vote accordingly. (I don't happen to agree with their position, but I'm not silly enough to think because their opinion on a single issue differs from mine makes them liberals.)
But, whatever, go vote third party and enjoy Hillary's 8 years. What kind of judges do you think she's going to select?
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That's not a good polling question. The question should be, "Do you have an appropriate amount of healthcare coverage for this point in your life?"
Single under thirty? You probably don't need anything. Raising a family, or over forty, of course you need coverage.
Posted by: Casca at May 03, 2007 05:22 PM (2gORp)
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Excellent point, Casca. The "uninsured" issue is such a load of crap when one considers that the vast majority of those in this group are young, single people who choose not to purchase insurance. Of course, the Lefties mischaracterize the data to try and make us all believe that socialized medicine is the answer.
Posted by: blu at May 03, 2007 05:55 PM (NntAN)
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Blu,
Relax, and let your head out of your sphincter. The myth is that the younger cohorts don't need it. True they need it less but your characterization about the lefties and the manufactured need pointing to socialized medicine is uninformed.
Have you ever had a hospital stay? Do you have insurance? Do you pay out of pocket or are you infantilized by your employer or had a union bargain for you?
Posted by: Strawman at May 04, 2007 07:18 AM (et8nf)
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I always find it interesting that some people will spend thousands on a vacation, shell out $300-$400 per month on a their vehicle, or spend $1200 on a television yet balk when asked to pay for their own healthcare and/or health insurance.
Posted by: TinyElvis at May 04, 2007 09:45 AM (6J+P7)
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-Relax, and let your head out of your sphincter.
I can't believe it. Strawman has inspired me. He has given me an idea for a new creation. I will call it the "strawcolputin". It is like a turducken except the ingredients are different. Creating it requires Strawman, Gary Coleman, and Grigory Rasputin. The instructions for making it are as follows:
-You must first take Rasputin out of the jar ( http://tinyurl.com/2gedkr )
-Stick Rasputin up Gary Coleman's ass
-Continue to stick Gary Coleman up Strawman's ass
-Place the "strawcolputin" in pre-heated oven
-Bake until crispy
Posted by: Spanky at May 04, 2007 11:22 AM (gyiuI)
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"The myth is that the younger cohorts don't need it."
"Need" is not even the point, Straw. Don't change the subject. The FACT, however, is that the data on the subject show that the vast majority choose not to purchase health insurance. The Left's Big Lie is that people just can't afford it or that it's unaccessible. Of course, as usual, the Left is purposely deceiving the public in order to try and pull off another power grab.
And, Straw, I'd never have a fucking thug union bargain for me. There are few things I despise more than unions. The damage they have done and continue to do to our economy is an outrage.
Posted by: blu at May 04, 2007 05:40 PM (NntAN)
8are you infantilized by your employer
Man, Kevlar Irony Proof™ The same freak who wet dreams about the gubmint infantalizing every single person's entire life through a heavy handed nanny state has the gall to call accepting partial insurance premiums (in liu of more pay) from an employer in exchange for productive work.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at May 05, 2007 12:09 PM (cOyko)
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Straw, infantilized means more than the diaper you wear to The Vault on free night.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at May 05, 2007 12:11 PM (cOyko)
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RR,
Actually its the left that bothers me about health insurance. There is this belief that it is the obligation of an employer to provide it, and to not makes a company derelict.
I do believe you are correct, that there is no harm and much good if it has been negotiated between employer and employee or collectively between a union and an employer.
So, Red, since you see it as additional remuneration should the value of the employers contribution be taxed? And if not is that fair to stiffs like me who pay entirely out of after tax income?
Posted by: Strawman at May 05, 2007 05:16 PM (et8nf)
11So, Red, since you see it as additional remuneration should the value of the employers contribution be taxed?
Of course not. As a conservative I'm never in favor of new taxes. Plus, to use one of the leftists' favorite arguments, it is good public policy to encourage (not coerce) employers to use their purchasing power to offer low cost health insurance to their serfs. You know, as well as I, that most people wouldn't bother with
it unless they had a castastrophe staring them in their face. This way we cut back on the deadbeats running up huge hospital bills that end up on the taxpayer's back (like the illegals).
And if not is that fair to stiffs like me who pay entirely out of after tax income?
Nice try. Life aint fair. Again I know you know that medical payments and premiums are deductible for contractors if they exceed a very attainable percentage of one's income. Anyone middle or upper middle class should have no problem meeting this floor.
Are you suggesting additional tax relief should go to...The Rich™?
Bushbot!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at May 08, 2007 11:44 PM (Ch0M0)
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Strawman is often really funny and kind of genteel and you guys are often...uh, not.
Posted by: Joules at May 15, 2007 04:07 PM (u4CYb)
Battle Royal
Memo to Republican candidates: here's one way to get Hillary's goat. Be polite. That was what Rick Lazio got wrong, when he did his famous "space invading" gesture during the 2000 NY senate race.
For more than two hours, France's presidential front-runner needled his challenger during a debate Wednesday, wrapping it in a veneer of chivalry and always addressing her as "Madame."
Finally, Segolene Royal snapped. The woman seeking to become France's first female president erupted in anger toward the end of the prime-time duel with conservative Nicolas Sarkozy.
It was surprising -- and potentially damaging -- that Royal, not Sarkozy, proved quick to anger. During their bitter election campaign, the Socialist has sought to portray her conservative rival as too unstable, too brutal, to lead the nuclear-armed nation.
In front of millions of television viewers, Sarkozy turned the tables. Royal got furious when he started talking about disabled children, saying he was "playing" with the issue. "I am very angry," she said.
"You become unhinged very easily, Madame," Sarkozy said. "To be president of the republic, one must be calm. . . . I don't know why Mrs. Royal, who's usually calm, has lost her calm."
Hey does anybody speak French? I think this is the video.
By the way, I know nothing about French politics, except that Royal is a hottie, and she's a socialist. Sarkozy, I remember, got in trouble during the recent "youth" riots for stating the obvious: that the rioters were thugs.
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Sarkozy will likely win, Royal is just slinging mud (with the help of the media and celebrities of france). Sarkozy would be an interesting change of pace for French politics (not being a socialist), but uh, depends on how sneaky the democra...i mean socialists will be in trying to stop his agenda after the election.
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The riots really brought out the worst in the French. (But did anybody expect anything less than the worst from these effete snobs?) As usual, the country's Left (and even some of the Right) refused to acknowledge that the thugs were thugs and that most were Muslim thugs. Funny thing is the Lefties are the same everywhere: it's never the thug's fault.
Posted by: blu at May 03, 2007 03:22 PM (NntAN)
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[Royal got furious when he started talking about disabled children, saying he was "playing" with the issue.]
Ah, that reminds me of the 2000 presidential debates where Gore was saying that Bush was lying about wanting to spend all of the money on entitlements and shit. Kanye West is wrong: Bush really cares about black people.
Posted by: reagan80 at May 03, 2007 07:08 PM (gyiuI)
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"Royal is a hottie, and she's a socialist"
Everything epitomized right there. Socialist bitch, keep yo' mouth shut! You/it's mouth, and you, have one purpose; and if you is spewing noise you ain't using it right!
Know your place!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at May 04, 2007 12:35 AM (hRcQE)
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If you want me to make a transcript & translation of what's said on the video, A, I'll be happy to do so.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at May 04, 2007 04:49 AM (1PcL3)
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Now that I've watched the vid, I can say that this isn't the moment where Royal has her meltdown. The announcer mentions, toward the end of the clip, that Sarko comes off as more precise in his suggested remedies and solutions than Royal does in hers.
At one point in this clip, Royal says, "You're joking!", but this isn't flying off the handle. I'm guessing, from the article you quoted, that her grand moment occurred further on.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at May 04, 2007 05:05 AM (1PcL3)
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thanks for checking that Kevin. Most of the youtube clips seemed to show that one moment for some reason.
Posted by: annika at May 04, 2007 07:02 AM (WfR6S)
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I'm pretty sure that clip is from a Swiss news channel, firstly because the guy doing the voiceover has a Swiss accent (he speaks in the slow, dopey way that French people mock), and secondly because, early on, he makes reference to the fact that "if 20 million French people watched it [the debate], a goodly proportion of 'romands' won't have missed it, either."
The French term "romands" is shorthand for "suisse-romands," i.e., French-speaking Swiss.
I checked around re: Royal's blowup... it doesn't appear to have been much more than a rash of finger-pointing, followed by Sarkozy's accusing Royal of having lost her temper, to which she replied that there are some things worth losing one's temper about, and that she would likely find reasons to be angry while in office, too (obviously, I'm not quoting this directly).
Final note: you called Royal "hot," but I think I'd call her "handsome" in the 1800s sense.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at May 04, 2007 07:19 AM (1PcL3)
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She is way more than handsome. She's incredibly elegant, with a friendly face, beautiful hair, open and feminine eyes, and an extremely youthful appearance for a woman her age.
Any man with blood in his veins would find her attractive and want to get to know her better.
Romney's Book
Does Romney want to be president or not? Because naming Battlefield Earth as his favorite novel was probably not the best choice he could have made. It's not enough that he has that "Mormon problem," now he's got to add a "Scientology problem" to it.
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He never had a chance to begin with. The only person on the planet who seriously thinks he can win is Professor Hewitt - the same guy who thought Harriet Miers was an excellent choice for a Supreme Court justice. (Don't get me wrong, I like Hugh but sometimes he's "just wrong.")
Posted by: blu at May 02, 2007 10:32 PM (NntAN)
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Annika,
The article you linked had this quote:
“Mormonism sounds like a science fiction fantasy to some Americans,” Prothero said. “It seems one of the burdens of his campaign is to present an image of Mormonism that sounds more reasonable and less fantastic. This seems to be undercutting that effort.”
I'd love to see any article by Reuters, AP, or any other news service or paper that was willing to take a shot at Islam as easily as they will Christiantiy or its derivatives. (And, I gotta tell you, I think Mormonism is a cult, so it's not like I've got a lotta love for it.)
Don't hold your breath: CAIR has got everybody too damned scared.
Lessons From The Iraq Experience
Allow me to recommend two essential articles from Armed Forces Journal that I think are necessary reading for those of us not on the fringes, who strive to understand rather than shout slogans back and forth. I find little to disagree with in either piece.
The first is "A Failure In Generalship," by Lt. Col. Paul Yingling. Colonel Yingling places blame squarely on Rumsfeld and his generals, for the failure to achieve our goals in Iraq.
The intellectual and moral failures common to America's general officer corps in Vietnam and Iraq constitute a crisis in American generalship. Any explanation that fixes culpability on individuals is insufficient. No one leader, civilian or military, caused failure in Vietnam or Iraq. Different military and civilian leaders in the two conflicts produced similar results. In both conflicts, the general officer corps designed to advise policymakers, prepare forces and conduct operations failed to perform its intended functions. To understand how the U.S. could face defeat at the hands of a weaker insurgent enemy for the second time in a generation, we must look at the structural influences that produce our general officer corps.
My only criticism of Yingling's article would be against his proposal that Congress assert more control over the selection and promotion of general officers. On the contrary, while Congress has a role, it's the executive's job to select military leaders who can get the job done. I believe Yingling is correct to criticize the culture of conformity that produced sub-par generals at the war's outset. But that's common in every major conflict. War is a results-oriented game, and typically the dross is burned away after the first few months of battle.
In the case of Iraq, we had an unusual tendency towards inertia that can only be blamed on Bush and Rumsfeld's management styles. Whether you want to call it admirable loyalty or excessive stubbornness, neither Bush nor the SecDef were willing to change horses when necessary to get results. Of what other successful wartime administration can this be said? Not Lincoln's, not FDR's, not Truman's.
To be fair, one reason for this President's inertia was the withering and omnipresent criticism from the left, whether by Democrats or internationally. Bush, rightly or wrongly, made the decision that sticking to his original plan and personnel was better than adapting midstream to the changing situation on the battlefield. His enemies so vehemently accused him of being wrong, that he overcompensated in an effort to prove that he was right.
I don't give Bush a pass on this. It's no excuse to say that he did what he did because the left made him do it. It's the commander-in-chief's job to husband the souls of those men and women serving our country as wisely as possible. I'll grant him the best of intentions; I know the President feels every loss of life personally and deeply. But, good intentions are not enough. As I've said many times before, what we need is results, and the responsibility for getting results lies ultimately with the president. If Franks, Casey and Abizaid were not getting the job done — and I don't think they were — Bush should have been quick with the hook. (Bush knows baseball; he should have taken a lesson from old Sparky Anderson.)
The essential constraint that the entire war team missed is the constraint of time and patience. In a democracy, this constraint is strict and onerous, especially now in our hyper-political environment where the opposing party turns every issue into a power-play. Time and patience are part of the battlefield, and Bush's advisors were negligent in failing to stress that fact. Success in Iraq, if it was/is to be had, must be had quickly, with sufficient force and resources to get it quickly. Unfortunately, Bush and Company acted like they had all day long. Instead, time has now nearly run out.
The second article, by Lt. Col. Ralph Peters (ret.), is called "Wanted: Occupation Doctrine." His point of view is decidedly Machiavellian, but in a good way. Peters catalogues some lessons we should take heed of when planning for the next counterinsurgency campaign.
Consider just a few essential rules for successful occupations — all of which we violated in Iraq:
• Plan for the worst case. Pleasant surprises are better than ugly ones.
• All else flows from security. Martial law, even if imposed under a less-provocative name, must be declared immediately — it's far easier to loosen restrictions later on than to tighten them in the wake of anarchy. This is one aspect of a general principle: Take the pain up front.
• Unity of command is essential.
• The occupier's troop strength should be perceived as overwhelming and his forces ever-present.
• Key military leaders, staff officers, intelligence personnel and vital civilian advisers must be committed to initial tours of duty of not less than two years for the sake of continuity.
• Control external borders immediately.
• Don't isolate troops and their leaders from the local population.
• Whenever possible, existing host-country institutions should be retained and co-opted. After formal warfare ends, don't disband organizations you can use to your advantage.
• Give local opinion-makers a stake in your success, avoid penalizing midlevel and low-level officials (except war criminals), and get young men off the streets and into jobs.
• Don't make development promises you can't keep, and war-game reconstruction efforts to test their necessity, viability and indirect costs (an occupation must not turn into a looting orgy for U.S. or allied contractors).
• Devolve responsibility onto local leaders as quickly as possible — while retaining ultimate authority.
• Do not empower returned expatriates until you are certain they have robust local support.
• The purpose of cultural understanding is to facilitate the mission, not to paralyze our operations. Establish immediately that violent actors and seditious demagogues will not be permitted to hide behind cultural or religious symbols.
• Establish flexible guidelines for the expenditure of funds by tactical commanders and for issuing local reconstruction contracts. Peacetime accountability requirements do not work under occupation conditions and attempts to satisfy them only play into the hands of the domestic political opposition in the U.S. while crippling our efforts in the zone of occupation.
• Rigorously control private security forces, domestic or foreign. In lieu of a functioning state, we must have a monopoly on violence.
Many of the above precepts have been adopted by Gen. Petraeus and his staff, now in charge of the war effort. For that reason, I'm hopeful that success is not yet beyond our grasp.
In the article, Peters uses the word "occupation," but he doesn't apologize for it.
The first step in formulating usable doctrine is to sweep aside the politically correct myths that have appeared about occupations. Occupations are military activities. Period. An Army general must be in charge, at least until the security environment can be declared benign with full confidence. Historically, the occupations that worked — often brilliantly, as in the Philippines, Germany and Japan — were run by generals, not diplomats. This is another mission the Army doesn't want, but no other organization has the wherewithal to do it.
It's obvious that Colonel Peters has a distinct pro-military, anti-Foggy Bottom bias. I share that bias.
Consider the prevailing claim that an occupation is a team effort involving all relevant branches of government: The problem is that the rest of the team doesn't show up. The State Department, as ambitious for power as it is incompetent to wield it, insists that it should have the lead in any occupation, yet has neither the leadership and management expertise, the institutional resources nor the personnel required (among the many State-induced debacles in Iraq, look at its appetite for developing Iraqi police forces and its total failure to deliver).
The military is the default occupier, since its personnel can be ordered into hostile environments for unlimited periods; State and other agencies rely on volunteers and, in Iraq, the volunteers have not been forthcoming — even when the tours for junior diplomats were limited to a useless 90 days and dire warnings were issued about the importance of Iraq duty to careers.
These two articles deserve wide readership. Print them out and read them on your lunch hour.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 27, 2007 05:13 PM (gyiuI)
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On Yingling, Neptunus Lex has it right:
http://www.neptunuslex.com/2007/04/27/the-contrarian-point-of-view/#comments
Ralph Peters is right as usual, but with the benefit of hindsight. Until Petreus, we had the COTS solution in the CentCom Unified Commander du jour. Read Lex's analysis.
Posted by: Casca at April 27, 2007 11:58 PM (2gORp)
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Casca, he says at the end "Time and patience. Virtues in short supply, unfortunately." GMTA again!
Posted by: annika at April 28, 2007 08:31 AM (WfR6S)
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Not to diminish my respect for both of your intellectual abilities, that's a firm grasp of the obvious.
Posted by: Casca at April 28, 2007 10:28 PM (2gORp)
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I read the first few paragraphs of the Ralph Peters article (need to follow up later) and caught a nuance that you didn't highlight. Peters starts off by talking about the real war - not the one between the U.S. and the terrorists, not the one between the Department of Defense and the other departments, but the one between the military services. Peters basically says that the ARMY needs to figure out what to do during the next occupation. Montezuma, Schmontezuma.
For me, the biggest lesson of the war is at a much more basic level. When comparing this war with the 1991 war, it's clear to see that the 1991 war had a clear objective (get Iraq out of Kuwait) from which we did not deviate.
Will the next President of the United States, whoever he or she may be, be able to enunciate what our Iraq policy is?
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 29, 2007 07:23 AM (P8ktI)
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Jeez, there's nothing new here folks, except the players. In WWI, the Brits had to fight off their homegrown peaceniks, including some exhausted soldiers like Siegfried Sassoon, who demanded that the government publish it's "War Aims". Evidently "victory" is an insufficient concept.
Six months ago Anbar was written off as lost. Today huge steps toward pacification have been made. To borrow from a great lady, now is not the time to "go wobbly".
Posted by: Casca at April 29, 2007 07:54 PM (2gORp)
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Generals like Wes Clark and John Abizaid had the educational and cultural pedigrees Yingling recommends. Clark didn't exactly distinguish himself in the Balkans (almost expanding the conflict against the Russians). While I have great admiration for Gen Abizaid, he was ultimately responsible as the CENTCOM CDR for most of the "Phase IV" campaigns in both Iraq and Afghanistan.
Yingling's right in that one of the "fall on your sword" perogatives of Service Chiefs is control over the selection of 1 star flag officers. Just like it took the debacle over Iran in 1980 to get momentum for the Goldwater-Nichols Act, the current campaigns are setting the foundation for a GNA sequel -- hopefully both dealing with senior military leader selection and larger interagency problems. Congress doesn't need to micromanage, but breaking the service cultures requires new approaches (joint promotion boards for example).
A better work on wartime promotion was done by a very bright Army LTC a few years ago --
http://usacac.army.mil/cac/milreview/download/English/NovDec04/markle.pdf
Ralph Peters is right as usual, but with the benefit of hindsight -- you got it Casca... and I add "without much consideration for realistic implementation"
Posted by: Col Steve at May 01, 2007 08:50 AM (WffUy)
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I find the idea of breaking the service cultures in a word, disconcerting. If you're talking about the sailors, I'm all for it. They haven't corporately fought a war since WWII, and they're a hodgepodge of at least a half-dozen intramurally waring cultures to begin with.
How about we create a promotion process that doesn't reward ass-kissing? How would one do that? I don't know how you divorce the process from the relationships that people have, even if those relationships elevate those averse to risk. There's that great scene in Lawrence of Arabia where Olivia says, "Young men make wars, and the virtues of war are the virtues of young men: courage, and hope for the future. Then old men make the peace, and the vices of peace are the vices of old men: mistrust and caution."
Posted by: Casca at May 01, 2007 07:55 PM (2gORp)
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Olivia was a great actress. Loved her in all those Errol Flynn movies.
Posted by: annika at May 02, 2007 07:37 AM (WfR6S)
Skadefryd Part 2: Rosie O'Donald Is Out
According to TMZ. Good news, I guess, but why don't they just cancel The View? While she was there it was easy to blame Rosie, but the show sucked long before she arrived.
Rosie hasn't announced yet, but how much you wanna bet she's going to spin it as "her decision," to "pursue other interests," blah blah blah. It won't be the fact that nobody likes a bully and she's a bully.
Rosie is the left's equivalent of Michael Savage — a loud, bigoted, egotistical, ignorant clown. The only reason Rosie gets away with it on tv and Savage is relegated to after-hours radio is that tv execs agree with Rosie's bullshit.
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Not sure who The View's target audience is, but my guilty pleasure when I'm not working is to watch the first few minutes of Regis and Kelly.
I hadn't heard this story. Is she leaving immediately?
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at April 25, 2007 08:02 AM (YWsCw)
2Speaking of nuts, Straw, you've got to find a more socially appropriate way to worship your hero!A Canadian man was busted for celebrating Adolf Hitler's birthday Friday by walking around with nothing but a swastika taped to his body.
Concerned Vancouver residents called police after witnessing the naked memorial to the tyrant.
The suspect was held for psychiatric evaluation.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 25, 2007 09:02 AM (KcKYf)
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I've only caught glimpses of The View while watching programs that showed snippets of it - usually Rosie saying something ridiculous and the others agreeing. (The lone "conservative" generally being too gutless and/or dumb to respond.) Based on those few snippets, the show appears to be something only an idiot could enjoy. So, imagine my amazement when I read it was nominated for an Emmy. Who the fuck decides these things?!
Oh, Ontario, I've never watched Regis and Kelly, but I saw her on the cover a magazine recently - my God the woman has an AMAZING body! I had no idea she was so damn hot. Won't make me watch the show but did tempt me to buy a trashy, chick magazine ;-)
Posted by: blu at April 25, 2007 10:12 AM (j8oa6)
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Blu,
Yep, Kathy is a cute number. Remember she had a career as a singer and dancer before she was a footballerÂ’s wife. I like her raspy voice.
Oh, gosh Blu, another thing we have in common. Where will it end?
Did you see Richard Clarke take apart the puerile Bush "puppy doctrine"? You know the theory that if we don't toilet train them in Iraq they will follow us home and crap on our beautifully mowed lawns.
A theory only a moron could speak out loud and only cretins would nod their heads at, shrug and go yea, that's right, fight them there not here, then scratch, spit and wonder what keeps them from coming now and just side stepping Iraq where they might get shot. You don't hafta know how to score bowling or have an IQ higher than the wheelbase of you pick-up to laugh at the holes in this theory. Yet, George gets up each day and Dick and Karl tell him he's got to out and keep flogging it. Just keep saying it George, fuck'em, they won't ask you to explain it and if they do who better than you to talk circular bullshit about it. Look real grave George, give 'em that Bush squint when you say the part about fighten'em here, ina 'merica.
Aren't you embarrassed yet Blu?
Posted by: Strawman at April 25, 2007 03:51 PM (et8nf)
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I stopped reading after I saw the name Richard Clarke. (Is he hawking some new lies to try and make a buck? The word is that the guy is a pompous asshole with whom nobody wants to work.)Still, it's good that you know a nice piece of ass when you see it, Straw.
Posted by: blu at April 25, 2007 04:12 PM (xPHoc)
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Radical Redneck,
While it's true that Hitler was a socialist, I don't think Straw would find his nationalism appealing. That doesn't jibe well with Strawman's prevailing "I'm a citizen of the world" sentiments.
And, no, it's not the whole killing-the-Jews thing that turns him off to ol' Adolph. Stalin did it too. Just ask Trotsky about icepicks sometime.
Though, I wouldn't be surprised if this old Soviet axiom applies to Straw: "In Soviet Russia, the ass fucks you!"
Posted by: reagan80 at April 25, 2007 07:08 PM (gyiuI)
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Annie,
Similar, but not exact. I think she's fatter than Savage, but I could be wrong as he has better access to In n' Out. Get back to me on this if you can.
Pursuit
Posted by: Pursuit at April 25, 2007 07:23 PM (N155d)
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Reagan, it was an ice AXE. The thing you climb mountains with.
Posted by: Casca at April 25, 2007 07:49 PM (2gORp)
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Casca,
I'm sorry. My mistake. Please forgive the error.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 25, 2007 08:05 PM (gyiuI)
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Hey Ray gun,
Kasha is right-ice ax. I was in Trosky's home in MC where the dirty deed was done. His house is a few blocks from Diego and Frida's house.
Posted by: Strawman at April 26, 2007 07:42 AM (et8nf)
Skadefryd: Kiki On The Ropes
From The Philadelphia Enquirer, rumor has it that Kiki Couric, "an expensive, unfixable mistake," may get the boot next year.
[T]he former star of NBC's Today has failed to move the Nielsen needle on No. 3 Evening News since her debut seven months ago.
In a bottom-line business like television, that's a cardinal sin. Already-low morale in the news division is dropping, says a veteran correspondent there.
"It's a disaster. Everybody knows it's not working. CBS may not cut her loose, but I guarantee you, somebody's thinking about it. We're all hunkered down, waiting for the other shoe to drop."
Seven correspondents, producers and executives at CBS and other networks interviewed for this story spoke on condition of anonymity, given the sensitive nature of the Couric situation.
Couric and CBS were a bad fit from the start.
"From the moment she walked in here, she held herself above everybody else," says a CBS staffer. "We had to live up to her standards. . . . CBS has never dealt in this realm of celebrity before."
Media experts predict Couric's ratings won't improve anytime soon, given that news viewers tend to be older and averse to change.
Couric, 50, draws fewer viewers than did avuncular "interim" anchor Bob Schieffer, 20 years her senior. Much of the feature-oriented format she debuted with is gone, as is her first executive producer, Rome Hartman.
"The broadcast is an abject failure, by any measure," says Rich Hanley, director of graduate programs at the School of Communications at Quinnipiac University.
"They gambled that viewers wanted a softer, less-dramatic presentation of the news, and they lost. It's not fair to blame Couric for everything, but she's certainly the centerpiece and deserves a fair share."
CBS Evening News this season averages 7.319 million total viewers, down 5 percent from the same period a year ago, according to Nielsen Media Research.
Couric's viewership has dropped nearly 30 percent since her Sept. 5 premiere week, when she averaged an inflated 10.2 million viewers and led CBS News to its first Nielsen win since June 2001.
"A bad fit from the start" is an understatement. To be absolutely fair, I would also use the descriptors "lightweight" and "clueless bimbo."
Have you watched Couric lately? Talk about deer in the headlights, she makes Kathleen Blanco look like the embodiment of "confidence" by comparison.
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CBS had the opportunity to climb out of the whole they were in, but instead chose to keep digging.
Posted by: Casca at April 23, 2007 03:54 PM (2gORp)
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Yet another unqualified affirmative action hire.
And she really is dumb. I'd rather listen to Barbara Boxer or Nancy Pelosi and those two are painfully stupid.
Posted by: blu at April 23, 2007 05:30 PM (pXoDI)
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" I'd rather listen to Barbara Boxer or Nancy Pelosi..." Now that's really below the belt. I cannot stand Katie Couric, but I'd rather go on a 4-week holiday with her than spend an hour with Pelosi, or that incredible nincompoop Barbara Boxer. As insufferable as she is, Couric isn't even in the same universe as that moron Boxer.
Posted by: DBrooks at April 23, 2007 06:17 PM (ONXKf)
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It's a scandal that national media covered up that Couric read out scripted, plagiarized personal memories of getting her first library card. Come on! She has to read scripted personal memories?!
Can you imagine if, say, Limbaugh or O'Reilly were caught, dead to rights, doing such a thing? They would be roasted on Leno and Letterman every night for a solid month - or more. They would be roasted on Sat Night Live and The Daily Show for weeks and weeks and weeks. Their scripted personal memories would be re-referenced, for ridicule, for a decade. Hollywood Movies would reference their deception.
Posted by: gcotharn at April 23, 2007 07:44 PM (8Tce2)
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Scheiffer was great; I'd go bck to listen to him...
Kiki should go back to morning hosting and learn to cross her legs again.
Posted by: shelly at April 23, 2007 08:24 PM (2nDll)
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I think it'd be really funny if they'd let James Lipton from Inside the Actors Studio be the news anchor. I watched the "Hell's Grannies" sketch from Monty Python on You Tube today and it's not that far off from today's t.v. news.
Posted by: Joules at April 23, 2007 08:58 PM (u4CYb)
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"I cannot stand Katie Couric, but I'd rather go on a 4-week holiday with her than spend an hour with Pelosi, or that incredible nincompoop Barbara Boxer."
LOL.
OK, you got me, DBrooks - that might have been too much :-)
Posted by: blu at April 23, 2007 09:00 PM (pXoDI)
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"I cannot stand Katie Couric, but I'd rather go on a 4-week holiday with her than spend an hour with Pelosi, or that incredible nincompoop Barbara Boxer."
I'd rather toss her salad after an all U can eat Taco Bell™ buffet!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at April 24, 2007 09:55 AM (BPS4S)
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LOL @ "Have you watched Couric lately? Talk about deer in the headlights, she makes Kathleen Blanco look like the embodiment of "confidence" by comparison."
Posted by: Mark at April 25, 2007 11:27 AM (2MrBP)
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Growing up during the days of the big three and only the big three I can muster little sympathy for Couric or her ilk. At some point I discovered what we were fed every night was not without a left lean and that the anchors had no regard for political thought outside the confines of the Hudson and East Rivers.
Now we truly have Freedom of information and can pick from alot of newscasts or a different source all together. It's all still biased but at least we can choose which way it's slanted. I wish National Review did a news program every night!
Did I get off subject again?
Posted by: Mike C. at April 25, 2007 05:47 PM (A5s0y)
Bradford Wiles Update
Remember a few posts ago, I quoted from a prescient op-ed by VT grad student Bradford Wiles, published eight months ago?
Well, somebody did track Wiles down for his comment on this week's horrific event. Here's what he said:
On Tuesday, Wiles stood by that opinion in the wake of this week's massacre, telling Cybercast News Service that "the only way to stop someone with a gun is somebody else with a gun."
"The entire campus was a place where someone knew they could inflict the most damage with the least amount of armed resistance, and that's what you get with gun control," Wiles said. "If you let people like myself carry a gun legally ... then you have the possibility of stemming the tide."
Wiles, who wasn't near the campus buildings where Monday's shootings took place, said he doesn't believe an armed student could have prevented all of the bloodshed. But, he added, "even if just one person is not shot by that gunman because somebody had their legally licensed concealed firearm on them, isn't that enough?"
Posted by: Casca at April 20, 2007 06:40 AM (Y7t14)
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For a few months, I lived in tiny village (*cough* settlement *cough*) in Israel. One night, a terrorist snuck in to a home there, and killed an extremely nice guy named Danny Frei. Danny died defending his wife and kids, although (if I recall correctly) the terrorist succeeded in attacking his wife and killing their unborn child.
That would be the last violent crime in that town.
Forget about M-16's, Uzi's, and the Glocks & 1911's that even the Rabbis carried. Two 10x10x10 reinforced concrete boxes in the center of town. Machine guns. Grenades. Artillery.
Posted by: taxlawmax at April 20, 2007 11:16 AM (WgtqY)
NBC Completely And Irresponsibly Throws Standards Out The Window
In pursuit of $ensationalism and the almighty ratings point, NBC proves that there is no longer any such thing as responsible media. Oh, Brian Williams made a big show about "not wanting to make Cho into a hero," even while holding up the pictures Cho intended to cement himself into the popular mythology.
NBC should have shredded the entire package immediately, not even handed it to the police, just burnt it as surely as Cho is burning in hell right now. Do they really think there aren't future sickos who will idolize Cho and memorize every word in his multimedia manifesto? Do they really think there's any possible journalistic justification that outweighs the virtual gaurantee that someone will idolize and imitate Cho the same way Cho idolized and imitated the Columbine murderers? Do they not understand that publishing the pictures and airing the video only gives the next mass murderer something to outdo?
Fucking assholes! But when the next mass murderer cryptically references the VT killer in his manifesto, you won't hear NBC or their ilk pointing the finger at themselves for creating the "cult of Cho." No, next time it will be "lax gun laws" all over again, and "easy availability of weapons," and "the incredible firepower of the nine millimeter," and "the NRA lobbyists," etc.
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I was equally upset with NBC, but while watching the video I couldn't help the fact that I was waiting the entire time for him to say, "Tina, come get your food."
I'm a bad, bad man.
Posted by: Frank at April 19, 2007 06:17 AM (YHZAl)
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Annika,
It can't be helped, nor do I think the suppression or release of his grandiosity makes any difference. Whether the next shooter makes a VT reference or a Columbine is irrelevant. The anger/rage/sadness whatever you want to call it, which motivates this horrible response is not dependent upon precedent otherwise there would never have been a first. It takes no priming of the pump for this type of disordered personality to recognize who his oppressors are and victims will be. The previous incidents may give him better ideas for enacting his particular attack but don't be fooled into thinking that they incite him or without them he will be powerless to act. People are resourceful they will, if there is not a blueprint available, always draw their own.
Posted by: Strawman at April 19, 2007 07:32 AM (9ySL4)
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Strawman, there is truth in what you say. The next time may be inevitable, but I still think NBC was wrong to provide the extra inspiration.
"It is impossible but that offences will come: but woe unto him, through whom they come!"
How long until we see t-shirts with Cho's two fisted pose on it?
Posted by: annika at April 19, 2007 07:55 AM (WfR6S)
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Annika,
Quoting the bible at me is always an effective tool of persuasion.
I certainly don't want anybody influenced or inspired but neither do I want to live in a society where the fourth estate self censures so as not to inspire someone having a psychotic episode. Freedom and the free exchange of ideas does not come without a price. I would not want to be the one telling the parents of a dead student that, but it is true.
But, I hope never to see the T shirt. BTW, have you ever seen a pro Columbine T? I
Posted by: Strawman at April 19, 2007 10:27 AM (9ySL4)
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I actually kinda lean towards releasing it, even though I definitely hear the argument for keeping the "multimedia manifesto" (read: pics & web cam shots) under wraps.
An obviously sick guy like Cho apparently isn't hard to spot; it looks like several people spotted him as whacked on several occasions. So it's not like you'll watch his videos and go, "Ohhh.... so that's what a guy who's about to kill 32 people acts like... hmmm." On the other hand, I do think that you'd get some sort of awareness of the themes and nuances of his persona that might help you keep alert to more subtle manifestations of problems in people around you.
Like, say, posting pictures of Sir Connery a few too many times (reagan) or defending the social "choices" of "loners" who stay at home on the computer too much and get no love from the ladies (mark).
Bottom line: yeah, information can be harmful, but if it's true, it always tells you something about reality that you might be able to apply in other situations. Maybe the best idea would be to delay the release so that it wouldn't be so terribly exciting to any potential shooters.
Posted by: taxlawmax at April 19, 2007 11:11 AM (dLe9c)
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The system failed the victims. They waited for the authorities to react. That would be the same authorities who recognized that this guy was nuts. The system couldn't expel the guy from school, or involuntarily treat him for his mental disorder, or even allow the fact that he was dangerous to be flagged when he purchased his guns.
Do you really believe some sort of new gun law is going to protect you from the 200 million firearms already in the country? Not to mention the fact that worse mass murders have been done with airplanes, fertilizer, and gasoline?
If somebody credibly threatens your life, the authorities can't protect you. They do stand ready to prosecute your killer.
Be careful out there.
Posted by: MarkD at April 19, 2007 12:47 PM (5vbH6)
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I endorse your entire statement and I feel and reflect your rage again the media that profits from this never-ending abuse of reason. Harry Reid announces today that the war is lost. The media fails to shout him down. Nancy Pelosi snuggles up to Syria's chief terrorist in furthering the Democrats' Alternative Foreign Policy. The media fails to shout her down. An imp from Hell kills innocents, and the media rewards his evil with immortality and by channeling cries from tender hearts seeking to understand this sad, angry young Korean.
Years ago, an actor, Raymond Massey, playing the role of John Brown announced just before being hanged for his crimes at Harper's Ferry, VA that he, Brown, understood that this quilty country will have to pay for its sins, in the movie - for permitting slavery to exist and persist, with rivers of blood.
I am quite certain that now this guilty country will have to pay for its sins, its irreconcilable divisions politically and culturally, with the effusion of blood. I suspect that the events at VTech this week are the start of that process.
Posted by: RobS at April 19, 2007 02:03 PM (JzBne)
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RobS.
What ar you talking About? VT and this guilty country's sins? You are correct that this country is guilty of sins, but currently they are against the people of Iraq and the majority of the blood in the rivers is Iraqi. We morn the loss of 31 people this week, killed for no reason. Each day for the last 5 years, 30 or more people die in Iraq for nearly the same reason as those in VT. An insightless appraisal of a complex problem and the pointless, criminal violent spasm that passes for a solution to a deranged morally compromised man. The only thing that I look forward to is the day George Bush wakes up one morning, has a moment of clarity and blows his head off. At least Mr. Cho knew what to do with himself after committing his atrocity unfortunately I can't say the same for George.
Posted by: Strawman at April 19, 2007 02:38 PM (9ySL4)
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Strawman:
You have some problems with your thought process.
Posted by: RobS at April 19, 2007 03:06 PM (vkrRz)
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"Like, say, posting pictures of Sir Connery a few too many times (reagan)"
I'm surprised that nobody has accused me of turning Japanese based on the bulk of my links over the past few weeks.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 19, 2007 06:54 PM (fO04l)
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Robs,
Calling the situation in Iraq a war certainly speaks volumes about to the problems your thought processes. We are not at war. We are attempting to conquer a country that did not attack us, threaten us, or have any interest in doing so. A fairly civilized country, secular for the most part, bulwark against spread of Islamist governments, more western than every country around them, with civil treatment and opportunities for women, good infrastructure, good cash flow and so forth.
We have wreaked havoc upon them, displaced millions, stimulated ethnic violence that is spiraling out of control, allowed fundamentalist Islam to gain a foothold, ruined the infrastructure, killed possibly a hundred thousand or more civilians and on and on. And you tell me I have a problem thinking? You think the media did not shout down Reid because maybe what he said is true?
We are toast. Iraq is toast. No good will come of it and the bad will continue getting worse. Put 500K soldiers in there and all you will have is more casualties and bombings. They put a fucking bomb in the parliament for ChristÂ’s sake. What the hell are you seeing fella that tells you this is going to come to a good conclusion? What the hell are you seeing that makes you feel safer as a result of this carnage? How do you excuse all the lies you were told about the reasons for and the progress of this debacle, from the cost to the WMD threat, to the bill being paid for with oil revenue? What conflict in history can you point to that lends credence to your belief that this operation has a chance of success?
Posted by: Strawman at April 20, 2007 09:49 AM (9ySL4)
12 You are correct that this country is guilty of sins, but currently they are against the people of Iraq and the majority of the blood in the rivers is Iraqi. We morn the loss of 31 people this week, killed for no reason. Each day for the last 5 years, 30 or more people die in Iraq for nearly the same reason as those in VT.
This comparison is asinine.
Posted by: Mark at April 20, 2007 10:36 AM (2MrBP)
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RobS was correct indeed. Boy was he.
We have wreaked havoc upon them, displaced millions, stimulated ethnic violence that is spiraling out of control, allowed fundamentalist Islam to gain a foothold, ruined the infrastructure, killed possibly a hundred thousand or more civilians and on and on.
Permit me to shake you out of your "blame America first" mentality.
"We" have not done these things. Try focusing on those who have committed 99% of the violence in IRaq.
And make sure not to let one accomplishment penetrate your thinking, assuming you are aware of the accomplishments that have already occurred. And there are many.
You think the media did not shout down Reid because maybe what he said is true?
Reid is an irresponsible and reckless man and his statements provide aid and comfort to the enemy.
We are toast. Iraq is toast. No good will come of it and the bad will continue getting worse.
How positive can you get.
Straw, we already are familiar with your longing for the defeat of your nation, and that it is a convenient means of bringing the military home.
Consequences be damned.
For a person who has expressed concern about our international reputation, you aren't so concerned when openly saying We are toast. Iraq is toast. No good will come of it and the bad will continue getting worse.
Announcing to the world our defeat. Yes that will help our reputation abroad. During WWII, a common expression was "Loose Lips Can Sink Ships." Now we have "Iraq is lost."
Posted by: Mark at April 20, 2007 10:49 AM (2MrBP)
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Straw,
"A fairly civilized country, secular for the most part, bulwark against spread of Islamist governments, more western than every country around them, with civil treatment and opportunities for women, good infrastructure, good cash flow and so forth."
Your statement is inane. It's not even close to accurate. Who do you think your audience is? Nearly every word in it is inaccurate or misleading.
If you want to argue that the war isn't going well that is fine and, partly, accurate; but don't insult those of us with 3-digit IQs with such a ridiculous, bullshit assessment of pre-war Iraq.
Posted by: blu at April 20, 2007 12:42 PM (pXoDI)
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Mark,
Our reputation abroad has nowhere to go but up. Bush is a laughing stock and we his flunkies and victims. The incredulity that is universally expressed around the world is how the fuck did a country that is supposed to be comprised of mostly educated people allow a pandering, ignorant schmuck to be president. TWICE. The first time the consensus is he lost but our third world election process, coupled with voter suppression, willful confusion of the elderly and a partisan supreme court inserted the dummy into office. The second election is the one that really has them scratching their heads.
Posted by: Strawman at April 20, 2007 12:52 PM (9ySL4)
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"Straw, we already are familiar with your longing for the defeat of your nation"
That's why you should not waste your time responding to him.
We got the point already. Instead of viewing the Iraq expedition as a benevolent nation-building campaign gone FUBAR, he views our military's mission as evil. Of course, he desired our military's failure since he deemed the goals unjust from the start. We already know about his hostility towards private military contractors, so it is hard to believe that he doesn't harbor such feelings for our troops just because they are lower-paid gov't employees.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 20, 2007 12:57 PM (fO04l)
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Blu,
It ain't a war. Lets call it by its name. Invasion. And "not going well" is what we say when somebody returns to the hospital with an infection in a wound. WHen they come back and their entire body is on fire we use other phrases.
Posted by: Strawman at April 20, 2007 12:59 PM (9ySL4)
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Ragun,
You dumb ass, How is it that you can't parse the difference between hoping for our military defeat and hoping for a common sense decision that protects our soldiers and limits the damage to Iraq in this immoral invasion. Yes. I don't agree with the goals. No, that does not mean 911 made me happy, or I love OSB, or any other selfserving bullshit idea you dribble down your chin. This is a tragedy of enormous proportion and has caused needless pain and suffering for millions of people. Do not belittle it with your stupid school yard associations and cackling.
Posted by: Strawman at April 20, 2007 01:09 PM (9ySL4)
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"the consensus is he lost..."
Ahhh, no its not. He won every valid recount - as the Left-wings rags, The New York Times and The WAPO pointed out in their investigations. The only people who think he lost are people like you, Straw - conspiratorial nutters, who never have proof but always have opinions.
And, please, no more nonsense about voter supression - there is absolutely ZERO evidence of that conspiracy theory. (And, yes, I read the BS AP "story" released yesterday about the administration's policy about actually caring about illegal voting. Yet another MSM hit-piece masquarading as journalism. You'll notice when reading the article closely that the administration has not done a single thing illegal, but the writer attempts to manipulate the reader into thinking there is something actually sinister going on when somebody wants to implement a policy insisting that a person proves he is who he says he is when voting. Yeah, you can't cash a check without ID, but go ahead and fucking vote all you want. And, of course, if its a Democrat there is a good chance that person is voting more than once.)
Clinton Is In Trouble
I still think she'll win the nomination, but clearly Senator Clinton is in a dogfight. The RealClearPolitics average has her leading Bronco Bomber by only 6 points!
Update: More at Wizbang. Hillary's favorable/unfavorable rating is in freefall too.
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hay....
I like your blog...
cool design, simple but complicated.
nice
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i saw that lindsay letter u've snet to her...
what was the response? what happent?
who sent it, for who , to who???
i didnt get a point
... think is i just whant to contact her somehow, im not some kind of a freaky fan or something , i just what to tell her my opinion about her work, and her as a person, i realy like her on some special way. i would like to be a some kind of a pen friend with her and that kinda stuff if you get me...
i just whant to tell her what i mean
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btw that thing with lindsay email is good thing for your blog...
if anyone's looking for her mail trough google he is gona be linked to here for sure...
Like your blog, visit my ( soon im gona make oen on english language ;P)
plz respond
Byeeeee
Darkie
Posted by: Darkie at April 18, 2007 09:59 AM (CospR)
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ROTFL!
stop it Radical Redneck! you're killin me.
Posted by: annika at April 18, 2007 10:10 AM (zAOEU)
Posted by: Darkie at April 18, 2007 10:14 AM (CospR)
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Oh i have been saddened by the distence between us lindsay and i long to feel yor touch
like romeo asking wher juliette was i ask can it ever bee
i feel like when my dog ran away - lonely w/o u
liek a teen band i wana becom famous
Theirs no place like a place with u i want to bathe in yor luv like a flower constantly releasing it's scent this is my feeling for you
whn i cryed out yor name at yor window Why dont you love me I said i feel it beautifully
write me lindsay write me
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hehe...
Hey Annika, what makes you think you'll have to stop blogging just cuz you're taking the Cali Bar? C'mon, it's not that bad. At least give us 'till the standard "I'll get serious about BarBri when July 1 rolls around" grace period.
Posted by: taxlawmax at April 18, 2007 10:50 AM (dLe9c)
Posted by: Darkie at April 18, 2007 11:45 AM (CospR)
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TaxLawMax,
Our only hope is that the power of Sean Connery will compel Annika to keep this place running.
Posted by: reagan80 at April 18, 2007 04:22 PM (fO04l)
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Reagan, I'm beginning to think you've got
a thing for Sean.
Posted by: taxlawmax at April 18, 2007 08:40 PM (P5vpr)
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Taxlawmax has a point, Annika. I blogged while I studied for the Cal bar, and turned out mostly okay for it.
Granted, pretty much everything I blogged about was bar exam-related. Which probably bored some of my readers. Or like. Most of them. Erm. Probably almost all.
Hm. Maybe it's not such a great idea after all.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at April 18, 2007 09:13 PM (sfW9u)
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That's definitely the worst part about studying for the bar. Your head becomes so grossly bloated with legal morsels that you can't help but spew them out even when, say, your wife tries to gag you every time you get that "holy shit! I actually remember something from BarBri about that!" look.
Posted by: taxlawmax at April 18, 2007 10:35 PM (P5vpr)
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I have it on good authority that reagan80 isn't really into those of the phallic gender. His perceived homo-ness is merely a facade to lull women into a false sense of security at clubs. I heard that once he gets close enough, he will then proceed to dry hump some poor bitch's elbow before being forcefully ejected from the premises.
Ladies, wear long sleeves.
Posted by: Spanky at April 19, 2007 07:53 AM (fO04l)
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anybody ever see Zardoz?
four words:
Connery in high heels...
Posted by: annika at April 19, 2007 10:39 AM (zAOEU)
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at April 19, 2007 11:48 AM (xHyDY)
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Me? A closet queen? What gives you that idea?
Speaking of Queen, they did the theme song to a flick that he starred in, The Highlander, and might I add that he looked absolutely fabulous wearing that ear ring. Boy, I sure do enjoy a good movie with guys impaling each other.
To answer Annika's question, I barely remember seeing a portion of ZARDOZ on the TBS channel back when I was in pre-school or something. In fact, she has brought back some of my lost childhood memories because, back then, I thought it starred a young Burt Reynolds. That movie kind of freaked me out at the time, but today it makes me laugh my fucking ass off. That is pure gold! Thanks, Annie!
Posted by: reagan80 at April 19, 2007 06:10 PM (fO04l)
More Thoughts On VA Tech
Here are some more random thoughts on the shooting, which occurred to me throughout the day.
The touchy-feely methods of preventing this type of violence failed miserably yesterday. For instance, one oft-cited preventive measure is for faculty members to watch for signs of a troubled loner with possible violent tendencies, then send him to counseling. This was done in Cho's case, by one of his English professors, to no avail.
After Columbine there was no end to the re-education and awareness-raising on the dangers of bullying. Kids were taught not to make fun of outcasts, but to be nice to them. Again, in Cho's case, members of his peer group tried to befriend the loner during sophomore year. One said they invited him to lunch, tried to get him to laugh and come out of his "funk." Again, this was done, to no avail. He apparently did laugh during the lunch, but it didn't change anything.
Time Magazine, perhaps the most ridiculously out-of-touch major news source in America today, professes to know "how to make campuses safer." Frikkin joke. Here's the best they came up with:
Some schools like Princeton train professors how to spot signs of depression, and access to mental-health services is a big part of preventive efforts on many campuses. Students, faculty and staff are encouraged to tell someone if they see suspicious or troubling activity. Says Gene Burton, public safety director at Ball State University: "You need to get everyone on board." But as colleges and universities learned on Monday, it often takes a tragedy to expose just how many weaknesses there are in the system.
As I wrote above, they did that! It didn't work! Time Magazine... clueless fukkin idiots.
More: OMG, not to be outdone, CNN is just about as clueless as Time Magazine. No wonder they're joined at the hip.
Watch this video, which contains the absolutely hilarious warning that a semi-automatic handgun can fire bullets "as fast as you can pull the trigger!"
Dun-dun-dun duuuunnnh!
If anyone knows of a gun on the market that does not shoot bullets "as fast as you can pull the trigger," please let me know. I will make sure I don't have any of the manufacturer's stock in my portfolio.
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Doesn't it seem like there's more vocal support to respond to mass shootings by allowing people to defend themselves than there has been in the past?
I mean, it's a little different this time around. Columbine was kids. But even looking around at the leftist media around D.C., I get the feeling that people who may not have been in favor of concealed carry laws might be getting sick of the touchie-feelie response and looking for something a bit more sensible. Is it just me?
Posted by: taxlawmax at April 18, 2007 08:21 AM (dLe9c)
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As is usually the case with such tragedies, the media can't resist to latch on to the "loner" label while ignoring the fact that serial killers like Gacy, Bundy, and Manson, were/are gregarious extroverts. By definition, loners are merely people who prefer to avoid large amounts of stimulation, who aren't bothered by solitude, who tend to be overwhelmed by crowds and noise, but the media associates it with "serial killer with no sex life."
Posted by: Mark at April 18, 2007 09:04 AM (2MrBP)
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The best commentary I've seen so far is Michelle Malkin's (and I'm not a huge Malkin fan): http://www.townhall.com/columnists/MichelleMalkin/2007/04/18/wanted_a_culture_of_self-defense
But she's really just cribbing Jeffrey Snyder's classic, "A Nation of Cowards": http://www.rkba.org/comment/cowards.html
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Posted by: Gary Reed at April 18, 2007 05:36 PM (NcZjP)
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The logic is inescapable. (1) there is no way to really predict or stop a whacko. (2) there is no way to stop whacko from getting guns in a nation that can't even keep humans out of its borders.
(3)therefore either a policeman on every block, or an armed citizenry is necessary to keep death tolls down from either this, or other criminal actions.
Now, I am sure that the campus had several older students, many might have been ex-military. What if they had been authorized to carry firearms? Maybe the death count would not have been so high.
Of course I don't expect this or any other logic to work on leftoids.
Posted by: kyle N at April 19, 2007 03:06 AM (RMrHW)