October 09, 2006
North Korea Options

I chose the above picture as a reminder of what a nuclear bomb can do. That was a young boy, maybe twelve or thirteen, who was incinerated by "Little Boy" at Hiroshima.
I think it's highly irresponsible for various pundits, mostly on the right, but some on the left, to suggest that we must respond to North Korea's saber rattling with a military attack. It's irresponsible because now that Kim Jong-il has a nuclear arsenal (assuming the tests weren't faked) we can certainly expect that he will use it if attacked.
Two things are clear to me: We must use every effort to avoid war with North Korea, while at the same time we must use whatever means necessary to disarm Kim Jong-il. The little boy in the picture is the reason I believe this.
While I think diplomacy is usually a complete boondoggle, there are options that can be and should be employed before we go charging in with guns blazing where a madman controls nuclear weapons.
The North Korean situation is similar to the Iranian one, but not identical. And as you know, I don't support military action in Iran, yet. Regime change without an invasion is the least ugly of all the options in both theaters. It's probably an easier task against the Iranians, but in neither case do I see any concrete signs that the Bush Administration is doing anything to encourage internal opposition movements. As I've said before, I think that's a big mistake.
In regards to North Korea, it seems to me that we have an advantage that is not available to us against Iran. World opinion, and especially regional opinion, seems pretty united against North Korea. I think the reason China and Russia are willing to play along against Kim Jong-il is that the balance of power equation they are employing in Central Asia does not apply to the Korean Peninsula.
In other words, China and Russia have a strong interest in promoting Iran as a rival to U.S. power in the Middle East. It's the latest incarnation of the "Great Game." But the Asian powers have now realized that promoting North Korea as a balance to American Power in the Far East is a fool's game.
The goal of balance of power politics is to maintain regional stability, and a nuclear armed DPRK upsets the status quo — not a good thing for China and Russia. They know that if Japan wanted to, they could easily build their own nuclear arsenal, and each warhead would probably fit in the palm of your hand, work perfectly every time, and get great gas mileage to boot.
So if China and Russia can be persuaded to go along with a strong sanctions regime, combined with a "quarantine" of North Korea, I think that would be a great start. They might be willing to do so.
The next few months will be a major test for Condoleezza Rice. I think her tenure as Secretary of State has been pretty lackluster, but I'm much more impressed with John Bolton. If the State Department can get its act together, maybe they can forge an alliance among the regional powers. I'd like to see Australia join in too. I'm hopeful that a united front could successfully change North Korea's behavior.
Normally, I'm not a fan of sanctions. But this might be one of those rare situations where sanctions have some effect, mainly because of the unanimity of world opinion against North Korea. It reminds me of South Africa. Sanctions arguably helped end apartheid, and while that analogy only goes so far, it is interesting to note that South Africa is the only country to have developed nuclear weapons and then given them up voluntarily.
I favor an internal revolution as the best way to solve the Iranian crisis, but I don't see that idea working in North Korea. I have not heard of any opposition groups in that closed society. I think Kim Jong-il's regime is so repressive that they'd make Tian'anmen Square look like a company picnic.
I believe the best way to defuse the situation is to get China to use its influence against Kim Jong-il himself. China is the only party that can apply pressure against the dictator to get him to step down. We'll probably have to live with a nuclear armed North Korea, but if Kim Jong-il can be replaced with a moderate who won't threaten the whole region, everybody will be able to breathe a lot easier.
The North Korean dictator's latest flagrant defiance of the Security Council should offer enough cover for the Chinese to make Kim Jong-il an offer he can't refuse. China can offer Kim asylum, and they have the power to influence the selection of his successor. North Korea can then remain communist, but perhaps reform themselves along the lines of modern China. Sanctions might even eventually be lifted. Getting rid of Kim Jong-il is the key, and as I see it, China is our best hope to accomplish that end.
More: Fans of Kevin Kim know that he teaches something or other in South Korea (English I think). Here's his inimitable commentary on the scuttlebutt over there.
One student surprised me with her take on Kim Jong Il. "I sort of liked him until today," she said, "But now I hate him." I kept a poker face, but my guts were writhing and my testicles kept popping in and out of my body like turtle heads. My asshole started shrieking ultrasonically; little edible dogs screamed in response and then exploded outside our building (NB: I've decided to name any future canine pet "Yummy"). Liked Kim Jong Il?
By the way, Kevin tends to doubt that Kim Jong-il really has nukes yet. Some Koreans aren't above lying about important stuff. Look at how long Sun lied to Jin about knowing English.
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I'm not sure China can pull that off. If they could, they would have stopped the testing before it happened. As it is, they were given a twenty minute heads-up before the test occurred. Not something you do to a trusted partner.
Secondly, you overlook how the North Koreans can retaliate against the Chinese. They can basically unleash a human wave of refugees on both China and South at any minute. And neither is prepared for something that would make the Cuban fiasco of '78 look like nothing. Castro sent 10,000 to Miami - Kim can send millions.
Third, putting the Koreas firmly in the Chinese column would leave nothing in the way of Chinese hedgemony in Asia but Taiwan. And I think we all know where that leads. Actually, we don't, because President Carter's abrogation of the mutual defense treaty is still unsettled as a matter of law.
Fourth, Chinese hedgemony does nothing to stop what I believe Kim's REAL motivation in the testing was - forcing a nuclear Japan. If that happens, and I think that's inevitable now, all of Asia unites against the Japanese (who they all already detest) and North Korea becomes forgotten by everyone who isn't the United States.
Feel better?
Posted by: skippystalin at October 09, 2006 11:17 PM (IanE0)
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Annika - I disagree that Kim has an "arsenal" - right now he has one or two at most (remember that we had no more after Nagasaki for quite some time)and Kim currently has no way to deploy them. It is time to stop him
now before he learns how to attach one to a missile (no trivial task). That is why military action should be swift and soon.
Posted by: John at October 10, 2006 05:14 AM (ct7Ey)
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Thanks for injecting some sanity into the hysteria John. Anni, most of what you've articulated is the status quo. In the Rumsfeld formulation, you don't know, what you don't know.
China doesn't want a nuclear Japan, that's their motivation to act. The Chinese have always had the ability to step on Kim. The solution to this problem will be a Chinese solution.
Kim is a meglomaniac in the Blowfeld mold, probably from watching too many 007 movies. I doubt that he's capable of thinking strategically.
Posted by: Casca at October 10, 2006 06:51 AM (Y7t14)
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Irina,
I think it is a bit late to be whinning about the inexorable march of invention, need and human dysfunction.
It could be argued that nuclear weapons are the single most important factor responsible for damping any major conflict over the last 50 years. That is not to say the world has been free from war just that the level could have been far worse.
If Iran had a deliverable nuke 5 years ago it might have stopped our criminal invasion of Iraq.
If it were not for the promise of Soviet protection of Cuba, we would have invaded and toppled Castro in the 60's. The Cuban's then could have had McDonalds, mineral extractors, gambling, and massive tourist trade instead of universities, doctors, low infant mortality, world class sports teams, universal medical care, affordable housing and literacy.
So, nu-q-ler (to use our dim witted leaders pronunciation) devices can be a force for good.
Now, Blu, bust a gut telling me about Castro's repressive political strangle hold on the good peeps of Cuba. About how he, like the govt. of US people can haul people off to prison and hold in the dark without charges indefinitely, Or how a noted author and radio personality was told the other day in Texas, not to talk politics while flogging his book, "'cause this is Bush's church." The shirts in America are turning brown, Blu, and you are still pounding the table about Castro. Get over it and get a grip on what's happening here. Why do you continue to be complacent about the sale of your liberties for a pound of false security?
Posted by: strawman at October 10, 2006 07:56 AM (tuy00)
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I'm not entirely sure that irina isn't a bot. But assuming she isn't:
Strangely enough, in all my years studying history at Berkeley, I didn't caught the main idea that the world is built as a spiral. I want my money back.
Also, I think even Strawman would agree that sometimes non-innocent people suffer in war. The nazis for instance, got what they deserved ultimately.
Posted by: annika at October 10, 2006 08:49 AM (zAOEU)
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Annika,
I caught that spiral idea once but unhooked it and threw it back.
Yes, non-innocents do suffer and die in war and no war is fought where innocents are not killed as well. And I do know that our forces more than any other try to avoid civilian casualities. As much as I hated the idea that we were attacking Iraq, I watched the opening night(s) and was bouyed by the apparent precision with which we were destroying military infastructure and avoiding the city at large. At that point I hoped that the military would fold and disperse, Saddam would flee and we would succeed in a regime change without terrible destruction and loss of life. But what did I know about the internal issues of Iraq? Nothing. the tragedy is, of course, that Rumnuts knew about as much as I did.
Yes, for the most part the Nazis did get what they deserved (though the Soviet forces did it better), except the ones we (the Soviets as well) thought would do us some good either in our rocketry and fission programs. We also harbored nazis that we thought would be helpful in our upcoming struggle with the Soviets. Talk about moral relativism. Do you know the Tom Lehrer song about Werner von Braun?
Posted by: Strawman at October 10, 2006 09:35 AM (tuy00)
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Straw,
I see that you have finally come to accept the Bush doctrine of preemption.
Well, at least you are learning.
Keep it up, Grasshopper.
Posted by: blu at October 10, 2006 10:29 AM (hXbaB)
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I'll compliment Straw's response to Annie. Despite his first post, I actually confused him for a rational liberal for a second there.
Posted by: reagan80 at October 10, 2006 03:32 PM (dFOlH)
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Thanks for the shout-out, as always, A.
By the way, if you don't subscribe to STRATFOR and would like to see the latest from them re: the NK issue, please give me an email and I'll forward you the issues that were forwarded to me.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at October 10, 2006 10:20 PM (TDwc6)
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Ah, I forgot to mention: my position isn't that I doubt NK has nukes; I simply doubt that what exploded was in fact a nuke. (And was there or wasn't there a second nuke test?)
Thanks,
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at October 10, 2006 10:22 PM (TDwc6)
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I generally agree with your recap of the situation; you have a well-developed sense of power struggles for someone so (relatively) young.
I would simply note a couple of discussion points;
1. "I think diplomacy is usually a complete boondoggle"
There are many flavors of diplomacy, including overt or covert 'gunboat' diplomacy. There are communications with the nation at question directly (perhaps not in this case), there are communications with heads of state in a)close allies, 2)other friendly allies, 3)passively or loosely aligned nations (e.g. Pakistan), 4) the rest of the nations, and then there is diplomacy as is conducted through public information sources. Expect each of the above messages to be different. Building a coalition is a diplomatic process. I believe I understand what you meant, though that term is normally too broad for brushstroke generalization, IMHO.
2. Kim may have no desire for asylum, regardless of what the Chinese offer (or admonish). Remember that he has been fed a steady diet of propaganda since he was young; he has no sense of reality or how to negotiate beyond threats of destruction in one form or another. He has no power base among his people, and must continually plot despotic ways to wield authority over them. Would make a great dissertation subject for an advanced psych post-grad.
Posted by: will at October 12, 2006 11:38 AM (h7Ciu)
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Calling for a military attack dosen't make one happen, it makes the threat a little more credible so diplomacy can work.
Posted by: Dave at October 19, 2006 09:34 AM (ebGbi)
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Breaking News

NORTH KOREA PROVES FUTILITY OF DIPLOMACY
President Bush vows to pursue more diplomacy.
In related news, Annika takes two aspirin.
Developing.
Update: As always, I recommend you check out The Princess.
Back in 1994, we made a deal with their devil to allow them to seek out "enrichment" and nuclear technology--even to assist them in building reactors--so long as they made the Scouts Honor promise to use it for good and not for evil. We agreed to lift the sanctions that the government said was "harming" their population beyond repair, to the point where children and families were starving in the streets. We assumed that they would collapse as a government long before this moment, when a bomb equivalent to 15,000 tons of TNT explodes underground. We gave them plenty of money, plenty of resources, engaged in talks with them as though they were a legitimate nation, like Germany or England, and all the while, they understood our motivations and secured themselves agains that. We were the stupid ones; they wouldn't let their regime fail, and they would certainly not allow our money to go to the projects we had designated. Instead, the international community, lifted the sanctions on their end, poured money into a nuclear program, and the results? A nuclear bomb, and a starving people. One step ahead for them, one giant step back, for us.
And
Tammy Bruce says what's on my mind:
Many are suggesting this emerging situation reminds people of President Bush's strength, or at least will increase his approval numbers. I suppose this is because his numbers go up when we get a reminder that Radical Islamists are still out there and want to kill us. I'm not so sure that's the case here--what this situation actually reminds me of is the failure of the Bush administration to properly deal with North Korea. Yes, the Norks established their nuclear program under Clinton . . . but President Bush has now had six years to deal with it, and not[h]ing has been accomplished.
Yes, Bush's Korean effort has been a failure but don't start thinking that Kerry's unilateral fetish would have produced a different outcome. I think Madeline Albright proved the ultimate value of that nice piece of paper signed by a tyrant after successful unilateral negotiations.
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Posted by: Kevin Kim at October 09, 2006 07:26 AM (1PcL3)
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Hell, you can make a good case that our Korea-policy went South when Ridgeway replaced MacArthur.
Posted by: Casca at October 09, 2006 08:48 AM (Y7t14)
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What's the stick that we could have used over the past 6 years? Clinton et al fucked us in the 90's, and I don't know what could have been done after that screw job. The U.N. has been unwilling to do anything - (well the Chinese have been unwilling to do anything.) Will that change? What are we going to do - sanctions so all their people can starve. The Dog Eater doesn't care if his people starve anyway.
Watch the MSM try to resurrect the Clinton's again. They give us the problem, but somehow the MSM will manage to blame Bush. Count on it. In the next couple of weeks, the stupidest person ever to hold the office of Sec of State, Madeleine Albright, will be held up as an "expert." Every time you see her lips move remember that Barbara Boxer is probably brighter.
Posted by: blu at October 09, 2006 09:55 AM (hXbaB)
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BREAKING NEWS:
HILLARY BLAMES BUSH FOR N. KOREAN NUCLEAR TEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: blu at October 09, 2006 11:30 AM (hXbaB)
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I'm pretty sure Nippon still has some old topos and grid overlays. All they need is an overhaul of their constitution and...........
They're by no means an Asiatic Israel, who we can count on to take the DPRK's program out, but the last thing China wants is for N.K. to prompt a massive remilitarization of the 2nd largest and most technologicaly advanced Asian economy.
There's a good chance that could happen and China may decide to pull the reins on that little Gargoyle....at least temporarily.
Posted by: Jasen at October 09, 2006 05:39 PM (dGhSN)
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See, that's the beauty of it. President Bush isn't actually on the ballot. Kim and the Iranian Mullahs love Bush because he's done so much to enhance their international stature and their domestic support.
But the testing this close to an election leaves the president in office, while neutering him politically. A best case scenario.
I despise the Democrats, but arguing that you need Republicans in office because the last six years have brought you a nuclear North Korea is a laughably difficult case to make. Besides, Mark Foley is more than enough bad news for the GOP right now.
Kim is nuts, but he's still pretty smart. After all, he's managed to play his neighbours, all more powerful than himself, off of each other for years.
And now we might just find out that President Bush isn't the only one capable of affecting regime change.
Posted by: skippystalin at October 09, 2006 11:26 PM (IanE0)
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October 03, 2006
Democrats (and some Republicans) Call For Gay Profiling
Any treatment of the Mark Foley story must include certain disclaimers, so let's get those out of the way first.
1. Foley's conduct with the pages was despicable, inexcusable, inappropriate, sickening, and in my opinion may turn out to be worse than has been alleged so far.
2. I'm glad he is gone, good riddance.
3. If Dennis Hastert or other members of the House Republican leadership knew about the masturbatory internet chats (as opposed to the e-mails sent to a different page, which they did know about), then Hastert is no better than Cardinal Mahoney and needs to be booted out.*
Now, the question before us is whether Hastert should be booted out anyway. That's what Democrats and some Republicans are saying.
An excellent summary of the story as of last Sunday can be found at American Thinker.
What do we know so far?
In the Fall of 2005, Speaker Hastert's office was first notified of "overly friendly" emails sent by Foley to a certain page (not the one from the masturbatory chats). Hastert's office was not shown the original emails.
Now, since Hastert is not the "boss" of the House of Representatives (he's barely the boss of the House Republicans) he appropriately handed off the issue to the Clerk of the House.
The House Clerk is kind of a quasi-operations officer for the whole House, and is elected by the whole House.
The Clerk asked to see the "overly friendly" e-mails in question and was told that the parents didn't want to reveal them for privacy reasons. The issue was resolved by the Clerk's office telling Foley to stop all contact with the page.
As far as I know, nobody is claiming that Hastert ever knew of the masturbatory chats before they were disclosed last week. All he knew about was the "overly friendly" e-mails, and he didn't even know what was in them.
Now, we can have a discussion about whether Hastert's office, or the Clerk should have been more vigourous in demanding to see what was in the e-mails. But even if they had seen the e-mails, what should they have done?
Look at the e-mails in question, and ask yourself why they are disturbing. I think they are, but I have the benefit of knowing about the masturbatory chats, which provide a hell of a lot of context.
In the first e-mail, Foley asks, "how old are you now?" In the second, he comments that another page is "in really great shape." In the third, Foley asks the page what he wants for his birthday. In the fourth e-mail, Foley says, "send me a pic of you as well."
In the law of defamation, there is a concept called "defamation per quod," which is used to describe a statement that is not defamatory in and of itself, but can be defamatory if one takes into account facts that are extrinsic to the statment itself.
You might say that Foley's e-mails contain statements that are "pederastic per quod." In other words, the statements themselves are not creepy unless one takes into account a fact that is extrinsic to the statements: the fact that Mark Foley is gay.
Alarm bells could not go off in anyone's mind upon reading those e-mails unless one takes into account the sexual orientation of the author. In other words, Hastert's critics are implicitly saying that Hastert should have made two assumptions about Mark Foley in general and the e-mails in particular (which he didn't even see).
1. That Mark Foley is gay, and
2. All gays want to have sex with young boys.
Assumption number two is patently untrue, and I don't know why gay rights groups are not speaking up in outrage about this. For Hastert to come down on Foley based on the text of those four emails, Hastert would have had to assume the worst about a gay man on pretty flimsy evidence. Is that fair? Or isn't that gay profiling?
Add to that the fact that Foley was not officially out of the closet until this week. There were rumors, certainly, but Foley had always denied them. If Hastert had "outed" Foley on the basis of those four e-mails alone, Hastert would have been pilloried by the same people now calling for his head.
[Cross-posted at The Cotillion]
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* As Mahoney should have been, long ago.
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I have deep reservations about forming my opinions from 'news' blogs; there's really no accountability and they could be 80% right, with the other 20% carefully crafted spin.
I have a hard time believing that the subject was brought to the attention of Hastert if it was just a friendly IM asking for a pic, unless there was something about the pic that hasn't been elaborated on yet.
There will be much about this to come, so I will simply reserve judgement until I see more evidence (or coverup).
Posted by: will at October 03, 2006 06:15 PM (h7Ciu)
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Well, I don't know that you'd have to think number 2 to be troubled by just these emails alone. Leaving aside the fact that I'm just bothered that a congressman writes so horribly (though, really, I guess I shouldn't be so shocked -- I've seen some law partners with horrendous email skills... but I digress), these emails are REALLY freaking casual for being between a congressman and a page. I interned for my congressman while I was in college and I don't think he even knew my name, let alone sent me emails asking for my picture. So unless he shows that level of familiarity with ALL of his pages/interns, I'd think it was kind of fishy, yeah, and I don't think all gays (or even very many of them) are pedophiles.
I'm not saying that this is necessarily a reason to kick out Hastert -- I don't have strong feelings about that one way or another, and I think it's very cynical but predictable of democrats to use this as an excuse -- but I don't think that you'd necessarily have to think all gays are pedophiles to find the emails a little troubling.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at October 03, 2006 08:33 PM (6KMvp)
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This is not a Dimocratic or Ripofflican thing. It is indicative of a lack of honor and integrity on the part of those who serve in Congress.
Term limits anyone?
Posted by: NOTR at October 03, 2006 10:25 PM (izx0t)
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I just think the guy is a fucking pervert, and I'm happy as hell he got caught. Sure, it helps the Dems - hell they may even be behind the release so long after the fact - but the bottom line is the guy deserves to be in that special place in Hell reserved for those who exploit children. What an amazing creep. And, I hate to sound macho because it generally sounds very stupid, but the guy needs his nancy boy ass kicked.
As for the leadership, I'm with Will. I don't know enough for a judgement. The Dems grandstanding this, though, is pretty hypocritical given they didn't say jackshit about their own page pervert in the past.
And how about the guy busting out the "I was abused by clergy" crap. So fucking what? That's an excuse? Again, this is a man in need of a good ol' fashioned ass kicking.
Posted by: blu at October 03, 2006 10:48 PM (hXbaB)
Posted by: Radical Redneck at October 03, 2006 11:26 PM (vElSn)
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You know I try to be tolerant and all that. But I would say that any gay who (1)sought some high position of power, and (2) was in the closet, is probably also capable of hitting on underage kids.
It sort of goes with the territory of being a narcissist and living a false life.
Posted by: kyle8 at October 04, 2006 03:06 AM (fGBhJ)
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"Hastert's office was not shown the original emails." How do we
know this?
Posted by: will at October 04, 2006 04:21 AM (h7Ciu)
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how do we know the sun will come up tomorrow?
because annie says so!
Posted by: annie at October 04, 2006 06:45 AM (MNk5t)
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I have to agree with Law Fairy; there's something inherently creepy about a man in a congressman's position being so interested in teenage pages. I'd feel exactly the same if they were girls. Foley's e-mails seem innocent enough on their face
until you recall that he's a 52 year-old man writing to teenagers. It would be one thing if they were family, or if Foley were a close friend of their families. (When I was a teenager I used to occasionally hang out at the house of one of my parents' friends, who was in his fifties. There was nothing inappropriate about it; he'd known me since the day I was born, and I thought he was a pretty cool guy. And he was. He even loaned me his
1969 AMX once. The 390! What a rush ... but I digress.) But absent that kind of understandably close relationship, my reaction in Hastert's place would've been to wonder what Foley could possibly have in common with sixteen year-olds.
I'm only 36, and there are few sixteen year-olds I'd be interested in befriending; I just don't have much in common with most of them. Look at it this way. A 23 year-old law student clerked in my office this summer. (A
smokin' hot 23 year-old law student.) If I were to start e-mailing her using the same tone Foley used with these pages, asking for pics of her and the like, I think many people would quite naturally assume I was trying to bang her. And I have a lot more in common with a 23 year-old law student than any congresscritter has in common with any sixteen year-old. There might have been plausible innocent explanations for those e-mails, but I would've wanted to hear them.
Posted by: Matt at October 04, 2006 07:38 AM (10G2T)
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and then what...
that's the point, with which the WSJ agrees, btw.
Posted by: annika at October 04, 2006 12:17 PM (fTmcd)
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Annika,
Hey Kyle8
With both hands on my dick how did you get that shot? Wearing those creepy glasses with the camera in the bridge again? But thanks for the exposure, you know what they say.
But seriously folks, I like my cheek but I take my tongue out of it some times.
Whether Foley is a despicable old queen is not in dispute. His clergy abuse, alcoholism defense is such scary cynical bullshit you gotta wonder what lawmakers have for brains or think their constituents have. He is out of Congress and if his pandering rises to a crime he will most likely be prosecuted. That is the end of that.
But like most of what goes on in DC, the real crime is against the American people perpetrated by those whose fear of losing power causes them to lose perspective and act like criminals. Now I was not in the room with Hastert when he made his decisions about this matter based on the "overly friendly" but not graphic emails but I am confident he was in no rush to investigate Foley, knowing what he would find (you would have to be brain dead not to recognize these emails for what they were) could not act against the best interests of the party. Politicians are concerned with POWER not the well being of 16-17 year old boys. Foley might pay them lip service; in fact I am sure he would but not big fat Denny. Will Denny escape aiding and abetting because the "friendly" emails' intent is deniable (not really but he will shrug and say shit like “What’s wrong with asking if a young man is in good physical condition? That's a nice, caring question. Where’s the harm in that?" There is no level of disingenuousness that these pigs won't stoop to when their ass in hanging out. He seems to have deniability on the "So, you're prolly gonna jerk off this weekend, right? Maybe I could lend a hand." text messages.
I have no doubt what –so-ever that they hoped to confine this matter at least until after the mid terms.
Should Denny step down? Who the fuck cares? What will he be replaced with? A congenial bi-partisan deal maker? Hardly, there are plenty more dogs in the pen.
Posted by: strawman at October 04, 2006 01:06 PM (tuy00)
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I wasn't addressing what Hastert should've done; perhaps there was nothing he
could have done. But you went beyond that claim; you asserted that that one has to assume "all gays want to have sex with young boys" in order for those e-mails to generate alarm bells. No. The fact that a 52 year-old man is writing those sorts of things to a 16 year-old of either sex, in this context, should set off alarm bells. If my daughter (who'll be 16 in fewer years than I'd like to admit) were getting such e-mails from s fifty-something former boss, I'd seriously consider kicking his ass.
Posted by: Matt at October 04, 2006 01:24 PM (10G2T)
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It now appears the page was 18, so it looks like Foley will skate criminal prosecution. Anyone who doesn't believe that power corrupts is willfully blind. This applies to both parties, and term limits are at least part of the answer. Along with limits on the professional staff as well. My preference would be a strict 12 year limit total executive or legislative branch service.
No more pages, also.
Posted by: MarkD at October 05, 2006 05:16 AM (oQofX)
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I stand corrected on the ages. I should not have stopped with the headline in Drudge.
Posted by: MarkD at October 05, 2006 05:50 AM (oQofX)
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Kyle8,
I looked more closely at that photo and I suspect the line "... and the destruction of Israel" is photoshop'ed in. It just does not look correct and the angle of the line cast back to the rear of the picture does not match the other lines. Also it is jet black and given the colors of the rest of the poster I don't think the makers would have used black. And, of course, the conflict, not that this would surprize the RW bigots, between the the "....for peace" and ....destruction" sentiments.
I could be wrong but I don't think so.
Posted by: strawman at October 05, 2006 06:43 AM (tuy00)
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Something got knocked loose last night. Per
ageofconsent.com, 16 is legal in the District of Columbia.
So, if the page were 17 and in DC, I suppose, technically, there was nothing illegal. Unbelievably, incredibly distasteful, to say the least, but not illegal.
(NOTE: Please keep in mind I just *work* in a law firm--I don't practice in one. I ain't no lawyer; those with legal backgrounds are free to tear this apart as they see fit. Heck, so are those without legal backgrounds.)
Posted by: Victor at October 05, 2006 09:00 AM (WHtgF)
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I haven't been following this very closely. I had the impression that the virtual sex occurred after the pages returned home to Florida or wherever they were from. In that case, D.C. law might not apply. There's been some stuff about this over at Volokh in the past couple of days.
Posted by: Matt at October 05, 2006 12:26 PM (10G2T)
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Doesn't the fact that gays have waxed poetic about pederasty since the times of Xenophon count for us doing a little extra profiling here? Women, it seems, know men want to fuck them, even when they're 14, so they keep a certain appropriate distance if they're sensible. But young men are ambitious and likely less aware they're being seduced until they wake up with a dick in their mouth or realize it's time to quit going out to dinner with their favorite teacher/coach/professor or whoever. What's my point? This guy is a piece of crap, a seducer of star-struck youth?
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Civilian Contractor Attack Videotaped
Check out
this report from tonight's Nightline. It's pretty disturbing. Here's
the transcript, in case you can't view the video.
In a nutshell, the video was taken by a Halliburton contractor named Preston Wheeler last September with his digital camera. He was driving truck five in a convoy that got lost near Balad in the Sunni Triangle.
The video shows teenagers throwing rocks at the convoy as the trucks headed down a dead end road. When the convoy had to turn back, the enemy was waiting for them. A bullet hole suddenly appears in Wheeler's windshield. A roadside bomb explodes, a truck driver is killed and his truck overturns. Wheeler's truck is disabled, and his Humvee escort continues driving.
Small arms fire is heard. Wheeler, now alone, is eventually hit by a couple of rounds as he hides under the dashboard. Inexplicably, he is unarmed. He also witnesses another truck driver taken out of his truck and shot dead by the enemy.
The Nightline report also shows predator footage of another Halliburton driver's body being desecrated by the enemy.
After 45 minutes, helicopters arrive and the cowardly insurgents scurry off, no doubt reverting to innocent civilian status.
I don't understand why the civilian drivers were not armed. I don't understand why that village was not carpet bombed immediately afterwards. It's maddening.
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FuckÂ’em Annika,
Civilians doing the work our military should be doing for extraordinary pay get no sympathy from me. We are an invading force, committing illegal and inhumane acts daily against a civilian population to further the goals of AMERICA in Iraq. All that befalls our expeditionary force and its highly paid mercenaries is the price we pay for this poorly executed, criminal invasion of a deeply flawed but sovereign nation that DID NOT ATTACK America.
All the chaos and despair that stems from this blighted tree of bullshit, lies and self-serving policy is not surprising. Why are you still shocked to see resistance, cowardice and jubilation? No one has their heart in the fight except those who are committed to freeing their country from the boot of the US and its Christian values, militarism and thirst for oil.
Posted by: strawman at September 28, 2006 06:35 AM (tuy00)
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Wow. Is that you, Markos Zoonigas?
I'm surprised that Annie has given you her respect for this long.
Posted by: reagan80 at September 28, 2006 06:48 AM (dFOlH)
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I usually ignore the very small group of retards who post here. Some things can't be ignored, and the words of this fool need to be taken down. He is a traitor who steals the food he eats, and sleeps under the blanket that another man provides.
Shun him.
As for those poor fuckers selling their collective asses for a buck in the dirt world, that's some pretty hard-earned cash. If you're going to sail out into harms way, you'd be well advised to do it with men who won't flinch at pulling a trigger, and avoid the company of the nancy-assed bitches of the Virginia National Guard.
Posted by: Casca at September 28, 2006 06:50 AM (Z2ndo)
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Sure, Casca, I need a blanket to protect me from Iraqi's. Get you head out of your ass and smell the sand dunes. We are toast in this "conflict" We have no heart to win because the cause is false and our leader warrants no respect. He talks to the country in his 8th grade speak and only neanderthals like yot with blood in their eye, anybody's blood, get a hard on. Get off your belly, take the sock out of your mouth, W's cock out of your ass and clean your upper lip. Try saving your son. Tell him freedom and liberty are causes worth dying for but only when they are really threatened and that Iraq is not the battlefield where that is happening.
Posted by: strawman at September 28, 2006 07:20 AM (tuy00)
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Straw,
Your comments above are those of a sociopath. You do not know the motives of those civilian men killed. Their payscale is fucking irrelevant - not that you even have a clue about what they were paid. That post was the most vile garbage I've ever read on this site because I know you are serious. Perhaps you could send your thoughtful bit of prose to the wives and children of these people. Maybe that would turn around their thinking and help them understand that daddy was just a monster working for monsters. Actually, there is no need because AQ and their many cloned Islamo-fascist groups send out the same communication on a daily basis. I'm surprised you didn't throw in a line about the Jews just to round it out.
You should be ashamed. I would never, though, asked that your trash be banned from this site. People need to see that folks like you really exist so they can better understand the psychosis of the enemy.
Posted by: blu at September 28, 2006 07:58 AM (TVuWZ)
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y'all should do what Casca says as far as the shunning...
...I'd say don't respond to people who post anonymously. If they can't say what they're gonna say with their identity behind 'em, than fuck 'em, cuz they are fuckin around anyways. I don't know what kind of shit stain thinks it'll be fun to spend gobs and gobs of their own time to purposefully say stupid things, but that shit stain goes by the name strawman...and for me that applies to any other anonymous poster.
Posted by: Scof at September 28, 2006 08:02 AM (a3fqn)
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SCof,
You are anonymous, I am not. My web address is well know and there for any to see.
I am fed up with the sactimonious crap that passes for commentary. A hundred thousand or more dead and we should get down on our knees and weep for a few guys and their families who went for the money? Bullshit. I wonder what they thought of their wives and children that they could play so fast and loose with their lives. People make bad choices all the time. Nobody twisted their arms. I am sorry they are dead, they did not deserve to die and their families suffer but they were there of their own free will and were there to support an illegal invasion and the concomitant death and destruction heaped upon this country and its people. They are participants in a grand and evil scheme purpetrated by grandiouse and evil men. Men who should be hauled off and rendered to a country that will torture them for thier deeds just as they do to those unconvicted "terrorists" Canadians we capture.
Blu, what is a scandalous and sickening event, not words, is what is taking place EVERY FUCKING HOUR in Iraq. Not at all comparable to my angry and unsympathetic words.
Posted by: strawman at September 28, 2006 08:22 AM (tuy00)
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Sorry, only people that I email see my real name. Besides, I'm sure Annie can probably see it in her IP logs and stuff.
However, Strawman has posted under his real name before. You can see it here:
http://tinyurl.com/h4ms8
Posted by: reagan80 at September 28, 2006 08:23 AM (9Bjo9)
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reagan80, on whatever site I'm on, I make exceptions for folks I know are regular posters, i.e. those who have a genuine interest in whatever the discussion may be and don't act like children pushing buttons...speaking of that:
Straw you are such a damn idiot, you know full well all you have to do is click on "scof" to see my website, and thus see who I am, but instead you just, again, purposefully say something stupid -- i.e. that I'm anonymous.
As for the rest of your drivel, I'll simply let the shunning begin...or as Willie the groundskeeper says, the shinnin!
Posted by: Scof at September 28, 2006 09:27 AM (a3fqn)
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Keep spewing, Straw. We are all learning something about your character. Che would be very proud of you.
Interesting how you have little sympathy for men trying to bring freedom and the 21st century to a country that had suffered a brutal dictatorship for decades, but you'll cry huge crocodile tears over the death of "civilians" (read: terrorists) in Lebanon and "Palestine."
You weep for the wrong people, Straw.
p.s. I wasn't going to bring this up, but it's fucking burning me up inside: Bringing Casca's son into the debate was way below the belt. You wouldn't have the balls to say that to his face, so don't take the cowards road and write it knowing you'll never have to face the consequences. I know this is just an internet debate, but still be a fucking man.
Posted by: blu at September 28, 2006 09:44 AM (j8oa6)
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1000 pardons sire, I clicked after my post. You are in plain sight as am I so don't be so fast on the draw for all you, damn idiot, had to do was the same.
I set out ot push no buttons. Your placement of said buttons is your choice. There is no one around here who does not know that I am vehemently opposed to this choice of solution(s) to the Islamic problem. Not news. Get over it if you can't hear a voice that does not click his heels and spout the party line.
Do you think those kids who threw rocks at the convoy or the dead driver were our ememy before we invaded? Do you think many of them as they get older will pick up an AK or ask an older boy how to make an IED? How many of them might decide that traveling to England or France or America reinvigorating themselves and their new craft is a good idea? DO you think that boy might otherwise have followed in his fathers footsteps and become a baker or a car mechanic or oilfield worker had his country not been destroyed by Americans which all the while lied to him about why they came? How about his anger and suffering when he no longer had a school to go to each morning and the day his older brother and father were blown up in the bakery by a bomb during the invasion, or an errant 155 round as his town was occupied.
Tell me, anyone why this effort is valid, protective of America, or should be applauded by the Iraqi's? And please spare me the purile crap about their precious freedom and their blue thumbs as if voting is the consumate act which allows people to go to their graves happy.
Posted by: strawman at September 28, 2006 09:51 AM (tuy00)
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Blu,
I would say it to any father who contemplated the cosequences of a son who chose a soldiers life. I have a 21 year old son. I would say it to his face for what man could hate someone that wanted his son to live. I say it as a man who would die for his country were it besieged. I would say it to him as a father and a man whose father fought in WWII (AF master sgt Julius Bernstein) I would say it as a man who would not kill men who were not my enemy in Vietnam, I say it as an American who is ashamed of his army occupying Iraq. America, that wise an gullible fool that bought into the saber ratteling of an old ally, a sick psycopath who we armed to the teeth with conventional and unconventional weopons when he would do our bidding but now was rebeling against our grip. We are engaged in making a "new world" against its will and the price is terribly high and the outcome in serious doubt.
I would rather characterize my remark as a high blow, a blow to consience of a man, a soldier, who I would hope could come to see the folly of this campaign and might come to see the criminality of the administration that fabricated the need for this adventure.
Casca, if you read my remark as some attempt to denigrate you or your son, my apologies, I only want what you want: Grandchildren, a painless dotage and a free America that stops promoting spineless leaders who are too afraid not to fight.
Posted by: strawman at September 28, 2006 10:20 AM (tuy00)
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"Then the idiot who praises, with enthusiastic tone,
All centuries but this, and every country but his own;
They'll none of 'em be missed — they'll none of 'em be missed."
Posted by: Casca at September 28, 2006 11:22 AM (Z2ndo)
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Shit Blu, if you'd a just STFU'd, I wouldn't even know, since I don't read postings from self-loathing leftists. There is a steak of madness there, that is best given a wide birth. Hatred like theirs is satanic.
Posted by: Casca at September 28, 2006 11:37 AM (Z2ndo)
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Casca,
Empty words. Empty thoughts by militarists that have esprit de corps, blind obeisance and little intellectual courage.
Posted by: Strawman at September 28, 2006 11:39 AM (tuy00)
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> I don't understand why that village was not carpet bombed immediately afterwards.
But that is what Saddam would have done. We deplored him for such actions; should we become the enemy ourselves?
Posted by: will at September 28, 2006 12:11 PM (h7Ciu)
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"committing illegal and inhumane acts daily against a civilian population"
Bullshit. Before spewing, get your facts straight.
Idiot. You're falling for lies. And you have the gall to accuse
us of that. You're the one with the incorrect worldview here.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at September 28, 2006 12:21 PM (ySDyN)
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"But that is what Saddam would have done."
If that's what Saddam would have done, and Iraq was better off under Saddam...
just sayin.
Posted by: annika at September 28, 2006 12:31 PM (zAOEU)
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Getting back to the topic that the idiotic Strawman - such an appropriate name, given his arguments - diverted us from:
Anyone military here who can answer this? I think I remember reading somewhere that convoys are instructed to push through ambushes and not stop as a whole, but that's as a group. Shouldn't some of the escort stop to render aid? Basically, I'm confused why the escort left the drivers behind. Anyone know?
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at September 28, 2006 12:33 PM (ySDyN)
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Casca,
Sorry. It was none of my business. I know you can speak for yourself.
Blu
Posted by: blu at September 28, 2006 01:08 PM (j8oa6)
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HEH the spammers are getting more clever, they now use 'bots to probe for certain phrases then they post stuff like the two posts above mine.
Anywho, I long ago decided Strawdog was an imbicile, marxist, scociopath stooge not worth responding to.
I was offered one of those jobs in Iraq, and the pay was good, but the fact that I was not allowed to go armed made me decide against it. I would never go to one of those places without being able to shoot back if only for the reason that it would force them to kill me. To be taken hostage by those creatures, and have them saw your head off, is worse than a clean death.
Posted by: kyle8 at September 28, 2006 03:13 PM (vd8GP)
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Kyle,
They are really not allowed to arm themselves? That's fucking whack! Why not?
Posted by: blu at September 28, 2006 03:16 PM (j8oa6)
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They never gave a good reason, but that is part of the rules for nearly all the private contractors.
You cannot have a weapon.
Posted by: kyle8 at September 28, 2006 03:42 PM (vd8GP)
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twisted and outdated logic i'd assume. The rule against reporters carrying weapons is probably analogous. It's to protect reporters from attack. As we've seen, the rule protects neither reporters nor civilian contractors against barbarian sadists who believe torture and murder are required by their religion.
Posted by: annika at September 28, 2006 04:11 PM (zAOEU)
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So if our involvement in Iraq was the wrong answer to fight Islamofacism, then what is the right answer? Ignore it? Let it fester? Give in?
Its maddening to think that the hard work our soldiers have put in is going unappreciated both in Iraq and at home.
Those contractors, greedy as they may be, were trying to bring Iraq into the 21st century and out of the stone age. They were thanked with bullets and beatings. The insurgents are barbarians, pure and simple.
The way I see it, the rest of the world will eventually wake up and realize that the threat Islamofacism poses is worth confronting. I just hope that when that time comes it isn't already too late to prevent it's spread.
Strawman, I want grandchildren too. Unlike you however, I want my grandchildren to be free Americans, not be enslaved by the fanatical rulers of the Global Caliphate that awaits them if pussy-footed liberals like yourself get your way.
That is the truth, brother.
Posted by: Rob at September 28, 2006 04:11 PM (Q2xwR)
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Annika wrote;
>If that's what Saddam would have done, and Iraq was better off under Saddam... just sayin.
You seem to imply that using Saddam's cruelty on his own people is justifiable, as it wouldn't be any different if the war hadn't taken place. That's a fairly strong indictment of the lack of effect of OIF.
Rob wrote:
>So if our involvement in Iraq was the wrong answer to fight Islamofacism, then what is the right answer?
You have assumed that Iraq under Saddam was a cauldron of Islamofacism attacking (or about to attack) the US. Where on Earth have you acquired propaganda that would suggest such a thing? Even Bush has repeatedly refuted this. Please provide citations from reputable sources. Then read the two recently declassified intelligence briefs.
Posted by: will at September 28, 2006 05:00 PM (h7Ciu)
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Ron,
Iraq was the most enlightened and western in all the ME. No islamic laws in affect, women treated nearly as equals, teaching in schools and holding professional jobs as doctors, engineers etc. Look at the fucking pictures on TV and notice the road system in Bagdad, looks just like our roads. Iraq was a bulwark against Islam and its regilo-facist rule. They has secular schools and universities. All things we are hoping to achieve now that we have destroyed them. The stone age was thrust upon Iraq by the American armed forces. They are no more barbaric than any insurgent civilian uprising in history that had to fight with improvised weapons and small arms against a powerful occupier.
Ron you've got it all backwards.
Posted by: Strawman at September 28, 2006 05:04 PM (tuy00)
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Rob, I stopped believing in the threat of a Global Caliphate after I read this:
http://tinyurl.com/jydr9
5 reasons why we're in Iraq:
http://tinyurl.com/jppgq
[3) Control of Iraq completes the encirclement of Iran.
With fortified US bases in Iraq, Afghanistan and Turkey, Iran is bracketed and can, if necessary, be taken out of play as a military threat if not a political one. Iran knows this which is why it is so desperate to bring its atomic weapons on line. They will, alas, not avail Iran, but are the only option open to that government short of capitulation. That this fact is tending towards a tragic end is clear.
5) Control of Iraq is not about the oil, it's about the water.
What Iraq has that Iran, Syria, and Saudi Arabia do not is not oil, but fresh water. In fact, Iraq has almost all of the fresh water in the region. It is water that determines life in the Middle East and there's not a lot of it. The two largest rivers, Tigris and Euphrates, flow down the core of Iraq before bending towards Iran to share those waters briefly with Iran before meeting the ocean. No other country gets so much of a taste unless Iraq agrees. Iran has little fresh water as does Syria. Saudi Arabia has almost none. It is one thing to control oil fields. The wealth from that resource can buy desalination plants that give your expanding population the water to survive. If the oil tap is cut off, the economies of the west would begin to wither and die within three months. Cut off water and populations begin to die within three days.]
Posted by: reagan80 at September 28, 2006 05:18 PM (dFOlH)
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To answer your question El, a proper ambush of vehicles usually has an obsticle so that they can stop the vehicles in a kill zone, so yeah, you want to roll on through. These were "volunteers", who were taking potshots with RPG's and AK's.
The HUGE mistake here was going the same way twice. Repeat after me, NEVER GO THE SAME WAY TWICE! On top of that, a proper convoy has security, not just a Hummer leading them in circles. I hate to say this, but we're at the point in the war where all real steely-eyed killers are in the regular forces now, and reserve/national guard units are probably in a significant decline. On top of that, they're part of the feminized non-combat-arms part of the military that can do anything a boy can do, except when they really have to.
As for contractors not being able to carry weapons. I believe that is ass-covering by the contracting companies, just in case their employees got their pics taken doing something. I know that the Marines issued weapons to their contractors at least early in the war.
Finally, $100k even mostly tax free, aint much for rolling the dice with death 24/7 for a year.
Posted by: Casca at September 28, 2006 07:16 PM (2gORp)
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"Iraq was the most enlightened and western in all the ME."
Wrong again, Straw. That would be Turkey. Actually, it's Israel (but I know you were talking about Muslim dominated states.) To go back further in history, Lebanon was the jewel of the ME before the Muslims decided to kill the Christians that dominated the country. (Funny, how those Christian countries tend to be civilized.)
With that said, only a commie sympathizer who thinks Cuba is a beacon of freedom and who no doubt was in love with the former USSR could possibly even write that ridiculous sentence.
Posted by: blu at September 28, 2006 08:05 PM (TVuWZ)
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I never assumed that at all, don't put words in my mouth.
What I do assume, is that the Middle East is the "cauldron of Islamofacism." Iraq was geostrategic for a number of reasons that need not be listed here.
I will concede that invading Iraq may not have been our most enlightened decision, but we started it, and we should finish it to the best of our ability.
My question still stands. What is the correct approach to the war on terror? The sooner we answer that question, the better off we'll all be.
Why is it that liberals find it so easy to bash Bush and point out his administration's perceived failures and missteps; but find it impossibly difficult to put forth alternatives and ideas of their own?
I wonder.
Posted by: Rob at September 28, 2006 08:26 PM (Q2xwR)
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Strawman, you are a 'light unto the nations,' right. Only stars evolve and now you're a black hole. We hear you and we don't miss so much some six million who perished and recall how Lev Davidovitch Bronstein (Trotsky)'s terror and bombast, of which yours is an echo without the gun, aided in the reaction which led to their being sucked also into the black hole. Twinkle, twinkle little star. Now we aid the Iraqis as we would have aided the victims and foolish converts of Marxism could we travel back in time.
Posted by: michael at September 28, 2006 09:51 PM (9Nd1U)
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Michael,
WTF are you talking about?
We have NOT, I repeat, NOT, aided the Iraqi's. We have ruined their way of life under the guise of "freeing" them from their way of life under Saddam. He was a brutal dictator, as is the fellow having lunch with W today, but no matter Saddam was not our "friend the brutal dictator" anymore so he had to go. The problem, of course, is the strategy W chose. Clearly it didn't work too well. Saddam's gone but so is Iraq. Too bad for the Iraqi's huh?
Posted by: strawman at September 29, 2006 10:51 AM (tuy00)
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Here's how my THWTH* Plan for the invasion would've gone:
-We wouldn't have disbanded the Iraqi army. Instead of our troops, the Iraqi forces would be used to restore and maintain order in the country, brutally if necessary. With quickly established martial law, the insurgency would be crushed and there would be no sectarian violence.
-No democratization. We would've installed some "moderate" Baathist general. Basically, a Musharraf-type of Sunni dictator that would keep the place together, abstain from WMD development and sponsorhip of terrorism, and be our proxy against the jihadists.
-Nation-building operations conducted by our troops would be nil.
There is an exit strategy. After capturing or killing the Deck of 52 and ensuring that all WMD's are destroyed, our troops wouldn't have to stick around to babysit and institute a liberal social engineering program for a bunch of pedophile moongod-worshipping primitives. Of course, by "exit strategy", I mean our forces leave Iraq....to head for Tehran.
With this plan, Iraqis wouldn't be dying because of our presence and sectarian strife. Our troops wouldn't be dying there while trying to build a morally idealistic Iraqi society. It would have freed up our troops to unapologetically remove the Iranian nuclear threat by giving the Persians a new Shah. After accomplishing their missions, most of our troops would've all come home before the 2008 elections and our troops' KIA casualties from both wars combined wouldn't have surpassed 4 digits.
By going this route, Strawman would've been happy, right?
* "To Hell With Them" Hawk
Posted by: reagan80 at September 29, 2006 12:13 PM (dFOlH)
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Okay Reagan, assuming your plan had been followed, it would be interesting to speculate what Kennedy, Pelosi, Dean, Durbin, Murtha etc. would have said about it. Because you know they wouldn't have liked it either. In fact, If Bush had never invaded, you know the Democrats would be complaining that Bush was not doing anything about the growing terrorist threat in Saddam's training camps, etc.
Posted by: annika at September 29, 2006 12:52 PM (qQD4Q)
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It would be nice if a few canards could be buried. The worst being that we disbanded the Iraqi Army. They disbanded themselves. It was not our policy to disband them. It was our aim to make them drop their weapons and run.
Posted by: Casca at September 29, 2006 01:39 PM (Z2ndo)
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Man that video was hilarious. Did anyone see the "brave" americoward hummer hauling ass out of there? Leaving those bloodsucker KBR drivers to die? Fucking hilarious. Proving once again, if they can't do it with air power it doesn't get done. Though it is common sense that it is S.O.P. for them to get out of the kill zone of an ambush, they didn't try to counterattack or anything once they were out of the kill zone and they need to start being honest and admit they didn't give a damn what happened to those KBR bloodsuckers, as is obvious by them not being able to do anything when Rebels came up and shot three of those driver pukes to death that the "Army" escort was nowhere around. They didn't just "get out of the kill zone", they hauled ass and didn't stop until they were WAY far away. The aptly-named Preston Wheeler, one of the war profiteer bloodsuckers who was able to miraculously survive the ambush can attest to that. I knew amerikkka has quite a chickenshit military but this makes even me say "Wow".
Posted by: Chuck Wood at September 29, 2006 01:56 PM (iNVtF)
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P.S.-- In case you head-up-the-ass types haven't noticed it yet i figured i had better break the news to you: Your war in Iraq is lost. Forget about victory or even a face-saving "peace with honor". It won't happen. The whole world sees amerikkka's "military" can't deal with a bunch of Rebels running around with old rifles and homemade bombs. 3 and a half years into this debacle and you can't even secure the road running from the Green Zone to the airport in Baghdad!! It is lost. Give it up. It was a wrongful war anyway, considering Iraq was doing nothing to provoke it. The occupier would need about twice the number of troops in country to have any chance whatsoever of pacifying it, and those troop numbers simply are not available. It is as good as over. All you are doing now is giving jihadists who have ample reason to hate fascist amerikkka a great training ground. Congratulations. The world sees the Iraq war is a failure and a lost cause, and now even most amerikkkans see it too. I say again, give it up. It is lost. Pretty humiliating for the so-called "world's only superpower", huh?
Posted by: Chuck Wood at September 29, 2006 02:13 PM (iNVtF)
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The Iraqi military was predominantly Sunni before the invasion. If they knew that a Sunni Arab was going to be left in charge, they most likely would've come back to their units. Right now, the former members of the disbanded army are either pissed about being unemployed or enraged at the Shiite usurpation of the gov't.
"If Bush had never invaded, you know the Democrats would be complaining that Bush was not doing anything about the growing terrorist threat in Saddam's training camps, etc."
Oh, of course. The Dems say that we should be in Iran (some say Darfur) instead. However, if they want us to go nation-building there after the invasion, as opposed to just razing the place, then the draft would have to be reinstated in order to get a force that's sizable enough for the occupation. (It's at least twice the size of Iraq.)
Today's Democrats would've thrown Truman and Kennedy under the bus. I'm sure they would've despised Truman because he defended an autocratic anti-C.o.m.m.u.n.i.s.t. gov't(South Korea) and Kennedy because of his tacit approval of the assassination of a former autocratic ally, Ngo Dinh Diem.
Posted by: reagan80 at September 29, 2006 02:28 PM (dFOlH)
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Chuck,
If I ever find you, I'm going to give you an enema with 100 yards of razor wire. Then, I'll pull out all of your fucking teeth so that your blood will lubricate my cock as you fellate it. Finally, I'll cum in your eye socket since you apparently need some white matter to substitute for your lack of the gray variety, you cock-biting eunuch.
Posted by: Spanky at September 29, 2006 02:47 PM (dFOlH)
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I love Chucky. I hope he gets his own tv show in time for 2008!
Posted by: annika at September 29, 2006 02:50 PM (qQD4Q)
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Strawman's name is very apt.
But there's also a damned good reason we don't "carpetbomb" villages because an attack occurs in them - the attacks aren't likely to have anything to do with the place they occur.
If the attacks were known to be planned by the entirety or vast majority of the locals, undertaken by them, and/or occurred with the willing consent and aid of the locals, there would be some justification for a general attack (as the locals would be combatants)... but as far as I know this is almost never, if ever, the case.
Carpetbombing the entire village would be immoral,
actual, no-shit war crime, and immensely counterproductive.
I'll settle for simply killing the people who commit such attacks. That's moral, absolutely legal under the traditions and laws of war, and
productive.
Posted by: Sigivald at September 29, 2006 03:20 PM (4JnZM)
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Wow,
Isn't this thread the best in a long time? I know I'm enthralled!
Whose this Spanky animal? SOunds like a guy who needs to bite the head off a chicken but is conflicted because when he married the chicken he frgot to get her to sign a pre-nupt and fears she might stop supporting him.
But seriously, Raygun, your plan has a ring of sanity to it assuming you think that Iraq was an issue in the first place, whick of course it wasn't. How about Jack Straw today? I didn't hear much but he did verify, as if we needed to hear it again, that the Wolfo-Rovo-Rumnuts cabal always wanted Iraq.
Chucky Wood may be a bit simple and lack the ironic tone I sometime strive for but he is right. This is a debacle of the highest order and on every front. How bout Parson-Brinckerhof and that army barracks? Real nice. Only 75 million.
And I don't belive for a minute that Annie wanted to carpet bomb anyone. She is terribly frustrated that the simplest piece of logistics cannot be enacted in this chaos.
And what is all this rationalizing about what the dems would or wwouldn't have attacked? Do you think that this is really an argument for not changing or agreeing that a different apparoch might have been better? I'm no student of logic or debate but it sounds really dumb. As I said to Blu the other day, it doesn't pass the 7-11 parking lot test.
I think a great deal of interesting stuff has been put forth not much of it terribly new but the level of vitrol is rising and I think that is because the side that thought this was a necessary invassion are finding that the truth is winning out and their heel clicking loyality becoming riven.
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Straw is still gurgling his gallons of beloved man-juice!
Straw, stop pounding your boyfriend's balloon knot and go get a job!
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September 27, 2006
September 25, 2006
Award Winning Fauxtography
Fans of photoshopped news photography might want to check out
this one, which won a Pullitzer Prize, which I suppose is a lot like Yasser Arafat winning the Nobel Peace Prize. The photographer (and I assume, the digital manipulator) was none other than terrorist associate and propagandist Bilal Hussein, now in the custody of American forces.
A commenter to The Jawa Report broke this story, so check out Howie's post for more details. The dude "sitting on air" is the clincher.
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this is a really threatening shot. I wonder what the photographer was doing there, right in the middle of war scene?
Posted by: Mr. Drug Rehab at September 25, 2006 06:41 PM (+DiUJ)
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Pullitzer Prize for photography is given only if the picture is Photoshopped.
Posted by: Jake at September 25, 2006 06:57 PM (r/5D/)
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Terrorists againÂ…it is sadly. Why did it won the prize? I cannot believe that there were not other pictures which could win the prize. I hate all that it is connected with terrorism and I hope that this war will end soon and peace, love, hope and gladness will replace it.
Posted by: Heart at September 26, 2006 11:00 AM (RMTHR)
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Was that serious? Or just a 3nd grader?
Posted by: blu at September 26, 2006 11:03 AM (TVuWZ)
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"3nd" - LOL.
Apparently, I'm the "3nd" grader. Teaches me to be mean to little kids.
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September 23, 2006
October Surprise Comes A Week Early
[Maybe it's like
Oktoberfest, which is really in September.]
So now a tiny French newspaper called, get this, l'Est Républicain is reporting that Osama bin Laden is dead.
I knew Karl Rove was good, but damn.
Update: Check Jawa for some really good news.
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If it were true, would the Left cheer or cry? I'm betting on the tears.
Posted by: blu at September 23, 2006 06:28 PM (TVuWZ)
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Thought I smelled something. JoPa may be dead too... same odor.
Posted by: Casca at September 23, 2006 07:06 PM (2gORp)
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Does no one listen to what The President of the United SDtates says? He has consistantly said that we will have to kill these terrorists one at a time; hunt them down and KILL them.
Also, does anyone wonder why, in the midst of all this dialogue about "torture", no one ever mentions - d-r-u-g-s?
They have a lot better stuff than Sodium Pen these days...who needs water boarding and making them look at bare breasted American girls as torture?
Posted by: shelly at September 23, 2006 10:43 PM (ZGpMS)
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So, it looks like the Dems have their own "October Surprise" with the NIE leak. The timing, of course, it not coincedental. The report has been available since April. This is a deliberate Democrat election year trick: Leak only certain bits of information that look bad for the administration, knowing full-well that the Admin cannot respond in full because the report is classified and knowing that any response will look reactive. (FYI: Powerline does a nice job dissecting the "reporting" of this information.) Smart politics to be sure, but bad for our country and the GWOT. Not surprising, though, as the Democratic Party hasn't cared about this country's security for some time. It's always about the accumulation of power no matter the cost. There is no "loyal" opposition in this country. The person responsible for this leak should be in prison, but of course will suffer no consequences. Is there anything the Dems wouldn't do to regain power? I doubt it.
Posted by: blu at September 24, 2006 05:05 PM (TVuWZ)
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p.s. The traitorous New York Times once again shows that revealing classified secrets in a time of war means nothing to them. Whatever it takes to discredit Bush and enbolden Democrats trumps national security. How many deaths is this paper responsible for?
Posted by: blu at September 24, 2006 05:11 PM (TVuWZ)
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Shit, when it comes to drugs, there's nothing like good old alcohol. Wear them down a bit physically. Keep 'em scared, wire their cells, then spike their OJ. Get 'em good and sauced, then throw a compadre in with them, who knows what questions to ask. They'll spill their guts. When I was done with them, they'd all have cerosis.
Posted by: Casca at September 24, 2006 07:43 PM (2gORp)
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Damn, bet they'd have cirrhosis of the liver as well.
But, they want to die for Allah, right? Hell, we'd be doing them a favor.
Posted by: shelly at September 24, 2006 10:15 PM (GIL7z)
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I'm gonna throw my unabridged dictionary at you.
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September 22, 2006
Winning The GWOT
Yesterday
my post was so pessimistic, I thought I'd lighten things up a bit today — sort of.
Two years ago, President Bush was criticized for saying that we can't win the Global War On Terror:
I don’t think you can win it. But I think you can create conditions so that the — those who use terror as a tool are — less acceptable in parts of the world.
In response to my post from yesterday, my friend
Matt wrote:
This isn't the kind of war that either side can "win" in any conventional sense. Our enemies can't destroy us militarily, because we're far too strong. We can't destroy them militarily, because they're too disbursed and decentralized. So we'll be taking potshots at one another for a long time to come. What's the end game? I don't know. How will a permanent state of war affect American politics, our collective psyche and our liberty? I don't know. It's a frustrating and frightening thing.
Great minds may think alike, but I'm afraid I must respectfully disagree with both of these learned men. We
can win this war.
Matt, of all people, should know as a boxing fan that a lot of times the winner of a bout is decided by who makes the first mistake. He's right in saying that al Qaeda can't destroy us because "we're far too strong." Therefore, no mistake on our part can end the conflict.*
But if al Qaeda, and the radical Islamist movement it has spawned makes a mistake, we can and will crush them in such a way as to end the war. What is the particular mistake that will cause our enemies to lose? I'm getting to that.
As the situation stands now, al Qaeda et al. have the initiative and the upper hand in the GWOT. As it stands now, we cannot deal them a death blow. That's because in the most basic sense, all warfare is about control of geographic areas.†The great strength of the terrorist is that there is no geographic area which we can push him off of. That's what Matt meant when he wrote that the enemy is "too disbursed and decentralized."
President Bush's big contribution to the theory of warfare is the "Bush Doctrine," which in part addresses the terrorist's strength: their lack of geographical origin. On September 11, 2001, he said that the United States, when hunting down the terrorists, "will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them." Nine days later, in his greatest speech, the President restated that doctrine in more detail:
This war will not be like the war against Iraq a decade ago, with a decisive liberation of territory and a swift conclusion. It will not look like the air war above Kosovo two years ago, where no ground troops were used and not a single American was lost in combat.
Our response involves far more than instant retaliation and isolated strikes. Americans should not expect one battle, but a lengthy campaign, unlike any other we have ever seen. It may include dramatic strikes, visible on TV, and covert operations, secret even in success. We will starve terrorists of funding, turn them one against another, drive them from place to place, until there is no refuge or no rest. And we will pursue nations that provide aid or safe haven to terrorism. Every nation, in every region, now has a decision to make. Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward, any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime.
The administration's war planners realized very quickly that you can't win a war against an ephemeral enemy unless you can tie them down to a piece of land and then destroy them on that land. That's why we got this oft criticized "you're either with us or against us" part of the Bush Doctrine. The idea was to nullify the terrorists' advantage of not being attached to any state,
by attaching them to a state.
It was a brilliant and necessary idea, but unfortunately it has not been entirely successful in practice. Geopolitical considerations have blunted the doctine's effect, as I think the war planners probably anticipated. We've seen the doctrine work beautifully in Libya, but in Pakistan and Saudi Arabia for instance, there have been mixed results. We had to make a difficult compromise with those countries because an imperfect alliance with their governments is still of great value to our interests. As a result, we have to accept that, for the time being, there will be some laxity in their efforts to control the extremism within their own borders. We can't fight everyone all at once, and especially not if Pakistan and the Saudis assure us that they are on our side.
The Bush Doctrine alone cannot win this war. So what is the mistake that the Islamists dare not make? What is the mistake that will enable us to win? It is the very thing that the enemy hopes to gain: a pan-Islamic caliphate.
Think back to the 1930's. That was a time when the democratic world looked at the growing threat of fascism and was unable to do anything to stop it. I would argue that appeasement and half-hearted reaction was inevitable then, just as it seems inevitable now. The world simply wasn't in a place where strong and united action was possible. Democracies have many strengths, but swift action is not one of them. In the 1930's there was still a system of alliances that finally mandated a response to Hitler, but the response came almost too late.
The Allies responded to Hitler only after he started taking territory by force. Now fast forward a few years. We responded to the Japanese after they started advancing across the Pacific. We responded to the North Koreans when they invaded the South. Same thing in Vietnam. Same thing when Saddam invaded Kuwait. When territory is invaded by an expansionist enemy, we never seem to have any trouble responding appropriately.
What would happen if Osama bin Laden got what he wanted — the restoration of Islamic territories to a fundamentalist theocracy under Sharia law? My thesis is this: If the Islamic fundamentalist movement were to become attached to a state, and that state were to adopt expansionist ambitions, the Western World would and could oppose them successfully.
We know that one goal of Islamic fundamentalism is to recapture territory lost to the infidel, or lost to secularist governments such as Egypt and Turkey. That is their end game. Their fatal mistake would be to actually start achieving those goals. Once the terrorists start to add nations to their idealized pan-Islamic caliphate, they will become a concrete threat that the world can unite against. Instead of being an ephemeral enemy, unconnected with any state and therefore immune from retaliation, they would suddenly become constrained by the same realities of warfare that have prevailed for centuries — and at which we excel.
The bad news is that my thesis presupposes a long period of very bad setbacks for our side. But I don't see any other way around it. The West has proven that it does not yet have the will to unite against its enemy, and even if it did, fighting insurgents and terrorists is like fighting ghosts. You can bomb a nation into submission, but I think we all know by now, it's pretty hard to bomb suicide bombers into submission. Just ask the Israelis. They've always been able to beat any nation-state with one hand tied behind their back. But they just lost their very first war, against a bunch of terrorists who were disavowed by any government.
The really bad news is that, in my view, the timeline for this caliphate solution to come about is on the order of ten to twenty years. By that time, Iran will have nuclear weapons. I think we all know that it's inevitable. So when Iranian troops spearhead the invasion of Greece, or Spain, or wherever, and the West finally gets up the gumption to oppose them, we will be firing missiles at each other.
I know this post sounds like I've been reading too many Harry Turtledove books, but if you think about it, you'll see I'm right. Countries win wars by finding a way around the enemy's defenses. Islamic terrorists hide within "neutral" states and behind innocent civilians, that is their main defense. But they lose that defense once they attach themselves to a piece of land and call themselves a nation. Therefore the seeds of their own destruction lay inside their own express goals.
I told you this would be a more optimistic post.
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* I can hear the nay-sayers now. "But we're already making mistakes that will cost us the war, by being too soft on the enemy, on homeland security, on our borders, etc." I don't disagree that we're being too soft. But what is the probable result of our softness? A major attack? And the result of a major attack will be that our softness is replaced by a hardness in proportion to how bad the attack is. Bottom line is that no terrorist attack, however horrendous, will cause the United States to become part of the pan-Islamic caliphate. That is a danger that exists solely in Europe, due to their lack of moral character, their lax immigration policies, their societal decision not to reproduce, and their sixty year reliance on the United States' security umbrella, which caused them to forget how to defend themselves. But I do not see that fate happening to us. As a people we are too stiff necked and independent. And we love our Constitution too much to replace it with the Koran. (Sure we got some nutty ideas in this country. But when the Swedes are considering a tax on all men to pay for domestic violence treatment — and the idea is taken seriously — all I can say is we have a long way to go in the U.S. before we reach the European level of self-destructive insanity.)
†I know von Clausewitz said, "War is merely the continuation of policy by other means," but I'm talking in the micro sense. There's a guy standing on a piece of land that I want to stand on. He's got a gun and I've got a gun. War is how I use my gun to get him to let me stand on that piece of land. He either dies, runs away, or steps aside.
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>If the Islamic fundamentalist movement were to become attached to a state, and that state were to adopt expansionist ambitions, the Western World would and could oppose them successfully.
Excluding the Palestinian situation, is not the Islamic militant movement funded in an underground manner, so that no single state is attached? Are not advances being made in regions of the world, such as Sudan, that are not being opposed successfully?
>they would suddenly become constrained by the same realities of warfare that have prevailed for centuries — and at which we excel.
I had to mull this over for awhile. If countries such as Egypt and Turkey became militant Islamic
before a caliphate was installed, then there would be little leverage to attack. If they fell after a caliphate was installed due to civil unrest or even by elections, again there would be little leverage to attack.
And terrorist attacks could continue without any state claiming them.
However, your scenario is also quite plausible.
Posted by: will at September 22, 2006 06:47 PM (h7Ciu)
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Very thoughtful post. There are so many variables (e.g. economic) that it's difficult to think all these things through to an endgame. Thanks for putting your thinking out there.
Posted by: blu at September 23, 2006 08:10 PM (TVuWZ)
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I agree, for the most part. It is a very thoughtfull post. However, they have already attached themselves to a state, Iran, we are just in a state of denial. But, putting Iran aside for the moment and the scenario plays out as you suggest, which, by the way is quite plausible, and we do crush that state, I'm afraid all it would succeed in doing is set the movement back to the situation we are in now.
I read a book last winter, and the name of the author escapes me at the moment, but the title was 10,000 Years for Revenge. Great read and if you would like, I'll come up with the author's name for you. The title said it all though. The mindset we are up against is so foreign to our way of thinking, and they are tenacious.
The Islamists want control. They are not interested in and in fact despise freedom. The only freedom they seek is the freedom to control one another. It's not about money, or raising the bar of their living conditions, creature comforts, education, technology, scientific breakthroughs, or advancing the human race in any way. They are content and prefer to live in 600 AD. They're just using our tools currently to take us back there.
They are not happy living side by side with their neighbors. They even murder one another in the name of Allah.
On 9/11 our world changed. All of a sudden we were, not only horrified by the attack, but enraged by it. How dare they!!!! Yet as time passes, we as a society seem to be forgetting that the attack was an attempt to change our culture. We are detached from that reality, Instead, we are "enraged by inconvenience". We are scrutinized more and more in our daily lives, our freedom to travel has been affected. Our conversations are suspect, our politics has turned into a political civil war in this country. At a minimum, the bright future America once offered has dimmed.
For the radical Islamists, it has not. They see within their grasp the destruction of the west. They celebrate in the streets every setback the US or any western nation suffers. They threaten our religious leaders promoting the free flow of ideas with death. They murder authors, filmakers and anyone who has a view of the world not in line with their ideaology.
Crushing a future "central state" will not alleviate the problem. We are at war, and it is going to be a long, long war.
We need to act, and we have to a point. But the threats that we face today will just get bigger with time as the Islamists aquire more and more of our tools to level the field. We can't afford to wait until they form some sort of tangible target. We have tangible targets in Iran today. But many in the US and the west are refuse to admit that these threats are real. We are dancing with the devil and the music is about to stop.
I don't want war. I want to mow my lawn as most of us do. I want to go sailing, enjoy Thanksgiving with my family, teach a kid to ride a bike. Unfortunately, as we learned on Tuesday, September 11, 2001, there are those that don't want me or you to do that.
We need a strong leader. A leader who can articulate the crisis we face. A leader that can recall the rage in us we all felt that day, and we need a government who will stand behind him. We have elections coming up and nothing will happen without the right leaders in office. We need to speak to the Muslim world with a united and strong voice that we will defend our ideals and our freedoms. And we need to act. Now. We have been bloodied enough.
Posted by: Billy at September 23, 2006 10:50 PM (nlgQw)
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You may well be right about the way things will unfold, Annika. But the cost of this scenario would be very high: probably 50 million deaths brought about by the enemy attacks and by our retaliation. I hope we can avoid going down this path by taking appropriate actions now, but I increasingly doubt our willingness to do so.
Posted by: david foster at September 24, 2006 07:17 AM (/Z304)
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I didn't say there was no end game; I just said I couldn't see it. I agree: Very thoughtful post. (I cringe to note that you reprinted my misuse of "disbursement." D'oh!)
Without addressing all the objections, one significant possible flaw I see in your thinking is the conclusion that by crushing a pan-Islamic caliphate militarily, we'd "win." I'm not at all sure that's true. We might, if the war was so terrible that it caused Muslims to turn their backs on radical Islam the way Germans turned their backs on Nazism after six years of horrors. But Islam's a whole lot more resilient and enduring than the half-baked pseudo-philosophy of the Austrian corporal, and the radical strain seems to have a very strong appeal for a certain kind of asshole. A military defeat of a pan-Islamic caliphate could just as easily result in a return to what we have now.
Radical Islam is an idea. As long as it has significant numbers of adherents, we won't really have won. And since we can't kill all its adherents -- not even most of them -- I think the only way to really "win" this war is to kill the idea, or wait it out. That's a whole lot harder than killing people, and it's apt to take a long time. That's what worries me: I'm not sure how long we have.
Posted by: Matt at September 24, 2006 02:01 PM (wZJrO)
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Derbyshire says all we have to do is prevent the Muzzies from getting nukes, brutally retaliate against their terror attacks, and wait them out until they become enlightened in a million years or something.
http://tinyurl.com/jydr9
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That's about the best I can come up with, too. But it's liable to take a very long time, and I don't share Derbyshire's confidence that apocalyptic weapons will remain out of reach of the nut cases for the indefinite future. Technology makes everything easier. Even if they don't build nukes, they probably can manage to breed some nasty bugs.
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Interesting points gentleman. So, does this mean, in your view, that we must attack Iran sooner rather than later? We can't allow this ideology to acquire nuclear weapons. Yet, attacking Iran would undoubtedly lead to even more zealots. It's a tough call. I think, though, that we have no choice but pre-emption regardless of the certainty of adding to the number of fundamentalists. These people will use the weapons if they have them. We can't allow that to happen. Avoid the mushroom cloud first and worry about winning hearts and minds second. The latter can't possibly happen in time to avoid the former given the timeframe.
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The news tonight, at least on the BBC website is saying that the port in Somalia has now fallen into the hands of the islamists.Thousands are fleeing. Somalia, at this point has now effectively been taken over, by force, by muslim forces. Does that count as attaching themselves to a state?
Now, here's the bad news. The word Somalia evokes memories of Black Hawk Down, failed US policy and all kinds of mean and nasty memories among many Americans.
Now, the good news. Most Americans coudn't show you where Somalia is on a map. So, here's my plan. We bomb Somalia, I mean bomb the heck out of it. It's a coastal community and easily accessed by our ships and the forces we already have in the Gulf region. We explain to the American people that this is an Iranian backed attempt at expansionism that threatens the oil supply lanes. (Strategically it is very important, it's just that up until now the Somalian Navy has been comprised of some old freighters with beat up boston whalers on the deck with which they attack merchant ships with machine guns and RPG's that traverse the area.)
So,.....The Iranians made a BIG deal about War games about a month ago. Videos showed their supposed missle launches from subs and it was accompanied by threats to close off the oil traffic in the gulf, which they would be crazy to do because that would be shooting themselves in the foot that they so often place in their mouth.
Let's allow an Iranian warship or two to enter the newly "radical" muslim captured port of Somalia, then.....bam,zoom, to the moon Alice! We kill two birds with one stone.
1, We avenge the whole Black Hawk Down Incident
2, We attack Iran without attacking Iran, sending a clear signal to Ahmadinejad that we aren't playing games. Heck, he'll probably run and hide like that Hassan Nasrallah punk did when the Israeli's went after Hezbollah.
But here's the sweet part! We blame it on Clinton.!!! I know what you're saying, "this guy is nuts". Maybe, but stick with me here.
We say this plan has been on the table for years, leftover from the Clinton Administration after our short stay in Somalia. It was approved by the Joint Chiefs but the opportunity toexecute it hasn't presented itself until now. Why heck, we contingency plans in the bank for military action against just about everybody on earth.
You see, this could work, The operation is BOUND to succeed and Clinton being the egomaniac he is would be reluctant to say it wasn't his idea after all. Why this could be one of those atta boys that negate that oh shit about the whole Bin laden story. The left will be reluctant to criticise Bush because they'll think it was their boy's idea. Republicans keep the house and senate and we are able to prosecute the war on terror with impunity for the next two years.
But there's more. Inevitably things will go south. Despite overwhelming military victories it is really, really hard to "keep the peace". There probably will be much unrest within, say 1 1/2 to 2 years after the invasion. Just about the time the Presidential election is really heating up. So how does the GOP get out of this one??????........WE blame Clinton!!!! It was his idea,!! heck he admitted it!! Took credit for it,!! we were just trying to reach across the ailse!!!
I'm tellin Ya, this could be one heck of an opportunity.
Billy
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Another Warning From AQ
Perhaps many of you have seen the Abu Dawood interview transcript that's been making the rounds. If not,
here it is.
It's pretty scary stuff. Dawood is supposedly some sort of al Qaeda bigwig, and he says American moslems should leave the country immediately. He also says that al Qaeda has already smuggled "deadly materials" across the Mexican border and that they can attack anytime.
I'm not convinced of this transcript's authenticity. It's supposed to have been done in person, but it reads like a written interview with short questions and long prepared answers.
Assuming arguendo that the transcript is legitimate, a couple of things come to mind. If the "deadly materials" were smuggled across the Mexican border, that suggests to me that a likely target is the West Coast, probably Los Angeles. That scares me a lot because my family lives there. I don't see the terrorists attacking anything except on the coasts. They can blend in easier in populated blue state areas than they can in say, Texas. Transporting the "material" from Tijuana to L.A. is a lot less risky than going from Nuevo Laredo to D.C. And if they want to top 9/11, they'll need to attack a major city that holds some symbolic value.
Secondly, if a big attack occurs, the Democrats won't look quite so dumb for having insisted that Iraq was a distraction and we should have been concentrating on finding Bin Laden. Just being honest here.
Thirdly, I have heard more than once from people I know, that if a major attack occurs, it will be open season on anyone with linen on their head. I think we're in for some serious backlash if there's another attack, as the interviewer acknowledes in the transcript.
I don't know about you, but I've noticed a vague sense of anger and dread rising in this country since about mid summer. I don't see it in my personal day-to-day life, but I do hear it on the radio, on tv and in blogs. I think left and right have been banging away at each other for five years and nobody's winning the debate. We're all sick of arguing and we're just waiting for some event to happen that will prove one side or the other right.
The string of foiled attacks this summer added to the feeling I'm talking about. So did the Lebanon crisis. And the Iran stalemate. And Chavez yesterday. The impending election is also a factor, though I don't think the results will change the national mood, no matter who wins. If there is a big attack on our soil before the year is out, I really think things will get ugly — much uglier than I can even imagine.
Sure, I know that there are lots of dedicated folks out there trying to detect and stop anything bad from happening. And they've been successful so far. But I also worry because it seems like it would be so easy for the terrorists to do something if they really tried. Anytime we catch somebody it seems like we got lucky. But just using my own imagination, I can think of dozens of ways they could carry out an attack without us ever catching them.
So I guess the message is pray, have an emergency kit ready, and don't fly during Ramadan (which starts two days from now).
Update: Peggy Noonan senses the dire mood too.
But the temperature of the world is very high, and maybe we're not stuck in a continuum but barreling down a dark corridor. The problem with heated words now is that it's not the old world anymore. In the old world, incompetent governments dragged cannons through the mud to set up a ragged front. Now every nut and nation wants, has or is trying to develop nukes.
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With our long borders and freedom of movement, I'm frankly surprised we have avoided being hit again. You are right, I think, that we have been very, very lucky. It's definitely not "if," it's "when." Fucking sucks.
Posted by: blu at September 21, 2006 10:42 PM (TVuWZ)
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As we near the November elections, everything is seen through the prism of the elections and the potential results.
The Democrats have gone from gleeful exhilaration to existential dread of what is going to happen. They were so sure they were going to win the House and maybe even the Senate; it now looks like a toss up for the status quo, with the trend toward the Republicans.
If the Republicans win this one, lots of old, safe seat Dems will be retiring, thus creating even worse scenarios for them in the next Presidential elections. They are in real danger of becomming the permanent minority for a long, long time, and they know it.
Thus, those of us who stand with the Republican Party as the party best suited to lead us in this time of near permanent warfare, should be sure to vote, donate and work as hard as we can to save this Republic from the likes of Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Howard Dean and especially Herself, the Senator from New York.
Posted by: shelly at September 22, 2006 01:55 AM (ZGpMS)
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Jeez, must be that time of the month. Hell there's an upside to everything. Pop a nuke in LA, and California is an instant red state. Pelosi, Boxer, and that fat cunt from San Francisco are all swinging from lamp posts. Of course I'm always running in Buck Turgidson mode. I hope they know that they're going to have to answer to the Coca-Cola Bottling Company for this.
Posted by: Casca at September 22, 2006 06:17 AM (Z2ndo)
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Casca,
You think another attack (God forbid) helps Reps politically? I was trying to think that scenario through and could see it going either way. Curious about your thought process. It's kinda of a sick topic to discuss, but the reality is that it could happen, and I'm curious about the political implications.
Posted by: blu at September 22, 2006 09:32 AM (TVuWZ)
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Annika, I'm with you on this one - I agree that whoever wins this coming November, things mood-wise won't change.
I discussed this post with my boyfriend and the transcript you linked to; he seems to think LA would be the ideal target too.
Oh and the serious backlash you mention -- I've heard it here a lot too. I mean, A LOT.
Posted by: Amy Bo Bamy at September 22, 2006 10:14 AM (Wz2Gp)
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After re-reading that, I realize that "ideal target" sounds...bad. Okay, all of this sounds bad however you slice it. Anyways...
Posted by: Amy Bo Bamy at September 22, 2006 10:15 AM (Wz2Gp)
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Children, children, lighten up. Blu, my comments are usually tongue-in-cheek, but what I've articulated would be the outcome if the strike is bad enough. Amy, quit hand-wringing. We're doing what we can do now. Ultimately, another blow by the bad guys doesn't equal power for the Demoncrats. What will happen is a focusing of our resolve as a nation. As that green fellow used to calmly say, "Don't make me angry. You won't like me when I'm angry."
Posted by: Casca at September 22, 2006 12:22 PM (Z2ndo)
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I can't find that interview on any reputable news sites; the only ones carrying it seem to be affiliated with the National Enquirer and/or blackhelicopters.com. If the interview's real, I'm not inclined to believe a word of it. No matter how good you think your OPSEC is, you just don't tip your hand like that.
Not that that goes to any of your other points. We
will get hit again. Eventually we'll get nuked. It's only a matter of time. This isn't the kind of war that can be "won" in any conventional sense -- by either side.
Posted by: Matt at September 22, 2006 01:03 PM (10G2T)
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A successful terror attack, here, would also lend even more credence to the conservative "Big Government sucks at pretty much everything" meme.
National Review's resident war contrarian says don't worry about the Muzzies....much.
http://tinyurl.com/jydr9
Posted by: reagan80 at September 22, 2006 04:09 PM (dFOlH)
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I'm not that worried, really. I think that we are strong enough to go on, no matter what happens. As a wise man once said, "Did we give up when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor? NO!"
If something big happens, I think Casca is right, we'll really get angry. And angry probably means full mobilization - something we haven't seen since WWII. I'd say we are maybe 40-50% mobilized at the moment, and that allows a lot of people to be unserious.
But the truth is, we're winning this thing and the bad guys know that. I don't remember hearing anything about warnings prior to 9/11 (I don't even remember people saying there were warnings that we missed). The tapes are just an attempt to rattle our cage because that's all they can do. They've seen what we can do when we strike from the cage, they don't want us out of the cage.
Posted by: KG at September 22, 2006 04:15 PM (AC0TE)
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It's a miracle we haven't been hit again. I don't know how a dedicated terrorist could
fail to hit us, unless they were
a) running for their lives,
b) otherwise occupied in the mideast, or
c) such a scientific moron - due to a youth spent memorizing the Koran - that they would f___ up like an illiterate baboon, by, for instance, starting a fire whilst mixing chemicals in their apt. I'm talkin to you, Ramsi Yousef.
Posted by: gcotharn at September 22, 2006 04:34 PM (NoXBk)
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KG,
I'm curious by what measure you gage that we are winning this "thing"?
Posted by: Strawman at September 22, 2006 04:37 PM (tuy00)
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Strategy Page lists some trends.
Iraq:
http://tinyurl.com/pyjaw
http://tinyurl.com/qqtzk
http://tinyurl.com/s7d52
Afghanistan:
http://tinyurl.com/r3uz9
Posted by: reagan80 at September 22, 2006 06:06 PM (dFOlH)
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RAygun,
I read the Afgan citation and If I wanted to re-read the bullshit the pentagon press sec. tosses out each day I could watch CSPAN. This was a very disturbing group of paragraphs since nothing in them is sourced. Are these people on the ground with the NATO forces and reporting first hand or are they simply a paid arm of the Pentagon? Who can tell? They speculate wildy in a most un jouurnalistic manner about what the Taliban will do, ususlly do and like to do, etc. I have no info to counter a word they say but after reading I have no reason to believe a word they say.
Posted by: strawman at September 24, 2006 10:21 AM (tuy00)
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Strawman, here's why I think we're winning:
http://cageymind.blogsome.com/2006/09/24/really-are-we-winning/
Posted by: KG at September 24, 2006 12:13 PM (AC0TE)
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"They speculate wildy in a most un jouurnalistic manner about what the Taliban will do, ususlly do and like to do, etc."
Unlike, say, the Washington Post or the NY Times or the Associated (with terrorists) Press? PUH-LEEESE.
The truth is that God Himself could send you proof, and you'd deny it and impeach His journalistic integreity. Your response is just one of the many reasons the average American finds the Left unelectable. You people are fanatical in your hatred of all things Bush and the military as well as knee-deep in conspiratorial crap.
Posted by: blu at September 25, 2006 01:22 PM (j8oa6)
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Blu, KG,
Read your post and think it's crap, I'm up to my nostrals in conspiratorial crap and the wind is blowing so you'll have to forgive me.
All militarialy biased parties agree the effort is not going well and more than likely it has been a setback in the effort to do something contstructiv or protective, or positive, or anthing at all for the homeland. And there are 100,000 dead and 3000 a month more each month and prolly 3000 a month more your Islamic whipper snappers holding open their coats looking for a C-4 cumberbun. This plan of attacking Iraq is and has been so stupid its funny if it weren't so tragic. No democracy, no security, no Iraqi army or police force worth a damn, less electric than before the war, less oil pumping than everybody promised, no hospitals built, or schools, chaos reighning, billions down the drain each month, graft and corruption rampant...........
So guys, tell me something good other than the rat trap theory where Rummy tells us the bad guys are all coming to fight here and all we have to do is knock'em down like ten pins and given enough stinky bait and enough time we'll be winners cause they'll all be dead. Some plan.
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He Said It
Lord Carey of Clifton just
gave a speech at Newbold College in Berkshire. In it, he included an academic quote from political scientist, Samuel Huntington:
Lord Carey, who as Archbishop of Canterbury became a pioneer in Christian-Muslim dialogue, himself quoted a contemporary political scientist, Samuel Huntington, who has said the world is witnessing a “clash of civilisations”.
Arguing that Huntington’s thesis has some “validity”, Lord Carey quoted him as saying: “Islam’s borders are bloody and so are its innards. The fundamental problem for the West is not Islamic fundamentalism. It is Islam, a different civilisation whose people are convinced of the superiority of their culture and are obsessed with the inferiority of their power.”
Lord Carey went on to argue that a “deep-seated Westophobia” has developed in recent years in the Muslim world.
In other words,
Nice Religion, Assholes!
h/t American Princess
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How sad it is when saying the obvious has the potential of sending shock waves.
Unfortuately, the West loves to hate itself; so, I won't hold my breath waiting for other leaders to begin speaking frankly about the topic.
Good for Mr. Carey. Gotta dig a Lord who has got a pair.
Posted by: Blu at September 20, 2006 09:51 AM (j8oa6)
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like wow man don't you know that islam is a religion of peace? they only behead people on television because we like made them do it...like us and all the big corporation thingie dingies. can't you see we're the ones to blame? our greed and desire for world domination like totally make them act like assholes? otherwise, they never would be so aggressive.
islam is like totally a religion of peace.
sheesh! i wish the pope would just come out and say if y'all are so damn peaceful, how come you conquered 2/3 of europe a few centuries back? what was that little invasion of india that happened a while ago? this is a barbaric religion based on a document - the koran - that clearly spells out a cultural blueprint for bigotry, hatred and stagnation. let's call a shovel a shovel.
Posted by: michael at September 20, 2006 09:54 AM (ASPRP)
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Annie, you get cooler every day.
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Ahmadi-Nejad Makes A Good Point About The Uselessness Of The U.N.
First of all, if anyone knows where I can find a transcript of Ahmadi-Nejad's speech please link me to it.
I've been surfing the cable news channels on TV tonight, and now I know much more than I ever need to know about that baby they found, I haven't seen a single show mention anything about half-pint's speech.
Here's a quote from anti-American, pro-terrorist Associated Press's account of the speech:
"The question needs to be asked: if the governments of the United States or the United Kingdom, who are permanent members of the Security Council, commit aggression, occupation and violation of international law, which of the U.N. organs can take them into account?," he asked.
"If they have differences with a nation or state, they drag it to the Security Council," and take the roles of "prosecutor, judge and executioner," he said. "Is this a just order?"
He pointed to Lebanese suffering during the recent Israel-Hezbollah war as an example.
"We witnessed the Security Council ... was practically incapacitated by certain powers to even call for a cease-fire," he said, referring to the fact that the conflict lasted 34 days despite calls for an immediate truce.
Ahmadi-Nejad was trying to slam the U.S. and Britain, but on the way there he made an excellent point. The structure of the United Nations has proven itself to be unworkable, if the purpose is to solve international crises. The General Assembly has never had any real power, and was never intended to have any. The Security Council has never been able to act decisively because of the veto power (with the exception of the Korean War, which was an unusual situation that proves the rule).
I say scrap the U.N. Scrap the whole thing. We don't need it, and it does more harm than good. The legitimacy it is supposed to afford is only an illusion. Witness the string of unenforced and unenforceable resolutions regarding Sudan, Rwanda, Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Iran, etc. It's incapable of producing a consensus on the really important stuff, and then the lack of consensus is used to thwart perfectly legitimate actions.
Maybe we should keep some sort of administrative body for UNICEF* and shit like that, but get rid of the rest of that utopian nonsense once and for all.
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* I'm not really sure what UNICEF is, but I think it has something to do with "the children."
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The purpose of the UN is to bring tinhorn despots into the fleshpot of NYC, let them taste the good life, put a few sheckles in thier pockets, and send them home with a hook in them. The mistake is to think that the body has a purpose beyond that. The real usefulness of the UN is as a conduit for intelligence, and all real espionage works below the radar.
Posted by: Casca at September 19, 2006 08:47 PM (2gORp)
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Your question is a legitimate one, which has been asked by various people over the last several decades. But before we commit ourselves to this, we need to ask ourselves what a UN-less world would be like. Clearly bilateral negotiations would become more important, but to be honest, that's pretty much what goes on today.
Without a UN, could a group of nations obtain moral backing for a Kuwait liberation-type action?
Then again, without a UN, could a group of nations obtain "moral" backing for an "Israel sucks"-type resolution?
There is another alternative, in which the United States quits the UN and tells it to pack its bags and head to Geneva, or perhaps Gaza City. Some would argue that this is a win-win for everyone, since the US wouldn't have to finance the UN any more, and the UN would be free to pass any danged resolution that they wanted to pass.
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The speech can be found at: http://www.nu.org/webcast/ga/61/pdfs/iran-e.pdf (but replace NU with UN... had to do this to get through the Annikafilter)
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I've had this debate with a colleague of mine several times over the years. I'm with you. (What's more, it's not as if a U.N. with real power would be an improvement: Some large proportion of the governments that participate in the U.N. are illegitimate if, like me, you see legitimacy as a function of free elections.) Much like Ontario Emperor, my colleague thinks the U.N. is worthwhile because: (1) it has all the features Ahmadi-Nejad complains about and (2) many people nevertheless seem to give a shit what the U.N. says. In other words, he likes it because it can't really hurt us, and it can give an air of legitimacy to what we do.
I don't really buy that argument, but it's not crazy.
Posted by: Matt at September 20, 2006 06:30 AM (10G2T)
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I have to agree with Ontario Emperor; boot their asses out of the US, and let them find someone else to give them a sandbox where they can pound sand on someone else's dime.
Posted by: BobG at September 20, 2006 09:05 AM (NjIC1)
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Somebody explain to me why the U.S.A, the greatest force for good the world has ever known, should be part of any organization that gives a forum to that fanatical, tie-less midget and that fat fucking South American pig AND gives veto power to China?
p.s. am I the only one thrilled to no longer have to listen to that condescending, anti-semitic, tyrant-coddling, crook Kofi?
Posted by: Blu at September 20, 2006 09:10 AM (j8oa6)
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Blu,
I really liked Chavez's remark about the smell of sulpher. Very powerful olfactory allusion designed to reach our primitive limbic areas and far more sophisticated than saying it still smelled like a lying sack of shit had been standing there.
W's remarks were such stultifying bullshit I watched like I watch an NF patient on the subway; mesmorized by the horror. Unfortunately the NF patient will die an agonizing death and W may not.
Posted by: Strawman at September 20, 2006 02:38 PM (tuy00)
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SULPHUR, christ and I studied chemistry once
Posted by: Strawman at September 20, 2006 02:49 PM (tuy00)
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Straw,
Specifics please. What exactly was bullshit?
Unlike the pig and the midget, Bush sounded rational. Perhaps as a commited communist you have special abilities to extract capitalist BS where the rest of us just sit around dumbfounded.
Please enlighten us poor, stupid peasants.
Posted by: blu at September 20, 2006 02:49 PM (j8oa6)
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Sorry Blu,
No time tonight to set you straight. Without any irony I tell you I am going to join my distaff side and will be seeing the HISTORY BOYS on Broadway.
As I cross the Queensboro bridge I shall roll down my window so as to catch a waft of the brimstone.
Posted by: Strawman at September 20, 2006 03:34 PM (tuy00)
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Hmmmm, I wonder if a nuclear chain reaction smells like brimstone? No doubt you'll smell it soon enough, and you like your Nazi bund forebearers will have had a hand in it.
Posted by: Casca at September 20, 2006 05:03 PM (2gORp)
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Correctemundo as usual Blu. Not only do we let these nutf-----s insult our president on our soil, we also seem to be (with some uncorrupted allies) the only country to actually take action when a U.N. 'resolution' is dissed. (Iraq)
Audible laughter after what Chavez said- unbelievable. Perhaps they should take him up on his offer and move the whole stinking shit tank to Caracas!
Posted by: Mike C. at September 20, 2006 05:57 PM (vFS/o)
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I am going to join my distaff side and will be seeing the HISTORY BOYS on Broadway.
More like, keeping going two blocks to the Port Authority. There, in the shitter, you'll have your BOYS (and paramour Chavez) stretch your leather starfish into the next Grand Canyon.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at September 20, 2006 07:59 PM (lA9NT)
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I've never heard of a chocolate (or choccy) starfish being called that before.
Posted by: reagan80 at September 21, 2006 05:41 AM (dFOlH)
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Jesus... where have I been?
Posted by: Casca at September 21, 2006 06:51 AM (qmJpf)
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Hmmmm, I wonder if a nuclear chain reaction smells like brimstone? No doubt you'll smell it soon enough, and you like your Nazi bund forebearers will have had a hand in it.
Casca,
What the fuck are you talking about? My forebearers were isolationists? I'm afraid they were all christians you dope.
Hey Blu,
I saw Bill Gates at the theater last night. Great play too.
Redneck,
Sounds like you are trying to displace Casca as the sites resident neanderthal?
Posted by: Strawman at September 21, 2006 12:01 PM (tuy00)
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"I saw Bill Gates"
Well, I wish you would have bitch slapped that fuck for me cuz Word is being a pain in my ass today!
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Iranian Supreme Leader Calls For Attacks On The United States — AP Hides It In Paragraph 20
I think it's big news when the Supreme Leader of Iran calls for "attacks" on the United States.
Lest there be any confusion about what he meant by "attacks," here's the quote. Note that the word is distinct from "protests."
Those who benefit from the pope's comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with attacks and protests.
Yet,
here's how the anti-American, pro-terrorist Associated Press announced the news —
in paragraphs 19 and 20!In Iran, supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei used the comments to call for protests against the United States. He argued that while the pope may have been deceived into making his remarks, the words give the West an "excuse for suppressing Muslims" by depicting them as terrorists.
'Those who benefit from the pope's comments and drive their own arrogant policies should be targeted with attacks and protests,' he said, referring to the United States. [emphasis added]
WTF? Did they not see the word "attack?"
Maybe I'm missing something, but when the real power in Iran (more so than Ahmadi-Nejad), a country actively seeking a nuclear weapon not to mention a well known sponsor of international terrorism, says that the United States should be attacked because of something the Pope said, I think it deserves to be in the headline.
And we need to start taking the Iranian problem seriously.
Update: Curiouser and curiouser.
Ahmadi-Nejad comes to the Pope's defense.
Mr Ahmadinejad said: "We respect the Pope, and all those interested in peace and justice."
He said he accepted the Vatican view that the pontiffÂ’s words had been "taken out of context" and he was "given to understand" that the Pope had later modified them. He said Benedict had been "misinterpreted".
And Mehmet Ai Agca, the Turk who tried to kill the last Pope, warns Benedict against his planned visit to Turkey.
Mehmet Ai Agca, the Turkish gunman who tried to murder John Paul II in 1981 and is now in prison in Turkey, urged the Pope not to visit Turkey in November as planned.
"I write as one who knows about these matters very well," Agca said. "Your life is in danger. Don’t come to Turkey — absolutely not!"
The letter, published by La Repubblica, was seen in Rome as a friendly warning, not a threat.
Via the
Times of London. While you're there, read William Rees-Mogg's commentary,
"Why The Pope Was Right."
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I agree RE: take the Iran problem seriously.
I've set up a
prediction market covering the likelyhood that there will be some sort of October surprise (attack Iran, find bin laden)prior to the Nov election.
Come by and share your thoughts.
Posted by: Justin Hamilton at September 18, 2006 11:21 PM (H5mug)
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I have a thought. You're an idiot.
October surprises exist only in the fevered imaginations of liberals, and in the nefarious minds and actions of their union thug allies. Democrats are like the cheating spouse. They're always sure that the other one is doing the same thing.
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Actually, a more interesting market might look at what the Democrats'/media's October surprise(s) will be. It's much more certain that they will have a bunch of them lined up, since there hasn't been an election in recent memory that they haven't tried (thankfully unsuccesssfully) to throw by means of some strategically timed news story (often proved false after the election).
Posted by: annika at September 19, 2006 09:35 AM (zAOEU)
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taking a flyer here - the competing Iranian quotes appear(superficially) to be an example of speaking different things to different audiences. Reminds of Arafat saying one thing in English, and another in Arabic.
It's a good point about the Dems/media recently always having October surprises. It doesn't take much, either, for the media/press to generate a breathless crisis which will surely bring down the Repubs. My money is on another Repub Congressperson found to have taken Jack Abromoff money. It's a crisis! Failing that, it will surely be a worldwide crisis that Tom Delay is running for election.
Posted by: gcotharn at September 19, 2006 05:08 PM (Rhyyb)
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You guys hear that evil freak at the UN? He is straight up scary. He even busted out his 12th Imam stuff. Apparently the "news" services didn't think it necessary to report this. I'll bet though that they make it crystal clear that Iran has no intention of trying to build nuclear weapons and all his ranting about how the UN needs to be more representative of the world community.
Posted by: Blu at September 19, 2006 05:41 PM (TVuWZ)
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One other thing: Every time I see this guy I am reminded that he is heir to what Jimmy Carter gave us. Was there ever a worse President? How many deaths can be linked to that imbecile?
Should this crop of Democrats ever gain power, we can all count on more Jimmy Carter-like foreign policy, which means American weakness and a lot more body bags.
Posted by: Blu at September 19, 2006 05:52 PM (TVuWZ)
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Hey Blu,
Did you read the lead editorial in the Times today? Just read it and dont' whine to me how you woouldn't read that MSM, LW biased piece of drivel. Just read it.
Posted by: Strawman at September 21, 2006 12:29 PM (tuy00)
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I went to the site and read an editorial called Keep Away the Vote, which could have been written by a Howard Dean staffer as it was written so poorly and devoid of even a single shred of evidence that the current House Bill associated to Voter IDs was somehow "unconstitutional." (Who writes the NYT editorials? They read like the work of a slightly above-average 8th grader.) Is this the editorial of which you speak? If so, let me go on: They throw out the very lame argument about how there is "no evidence that a significant number of people are showing up at the polls pretending to be other people, or that a significant number of noncitizens are voting." Says who? Where's the evidence supporting that argument? Yet, they feel perfectly comfortable throwing out this line of BS: "The actual reason for this bill is the political calculus that certain kinds of people — the poor, minorities, disabled people and the elderly — are less likely to have valid ID." First of all, so what? They have a right to vote if they are citizens. BUT, they need to prove it. Secondly, where is the proof that this bill will somehow have such a huge impact on these groups? They act as if this would adversely impact large portions of each of these groups. It's nonsense. (Again, typical liberal logic: Members of "Groups" are all the same and must be treated as such. No individuals exist.) The "actual reason" the NYT is against this bill is their own political calculus: get as many undocumented, non-citizens voting as possible.
But, the topper was this inane crap: "Noncitizens, particularly undocumented ones, are so wary of getting into trouble with the law that it is hard to imagine them showing up in any numbers and trying to vote." Really? Again, can I have just a tiny bit of proof? Yeah, they are so afraid of "the law" that they congregate by the dozens at street corner all over America waiting for day-labor work. That's after they stroll across our borders in total disregard of our laws. Yeah, they are fucking petrified of the law. The NYT has NO proof of this load of crap. There are upwards of 20 MILLION illegals in this country that Democrat party is actively encouraging to vote fraudulently if possible. Political calculus indeed.
But, hey, if you were suggesting another editorial, then I apologize for the tangent - my bad.
Posted by: blu at September 21, 2006 02:12 PM (j8oa6)
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bLU,
I think you have the concept of proof turned around. For Congress to become pro-active and produce a bill that throws impediments, any impediment in the way of voting THEY must produce the proof of the need: That the infractions and fraud occur. It would be pretty hard to prove the negative. The onus lies at the feet of the sponsors of the bill who either can or cannot produce the data that supports their and your claim that significant numbers of illegals, or dead folks, or felons (in states that prohibit felons) are voting.
Every god damned time the republicans pull this shit a court overturns it because they can't substantiate the claims and jee Blu, go figure, judges are more concerned that the constitution be protected and that ALL those with a right to vote have easy access than worry about an insignificant or non-existant amount of fraud.
"20 million potential voters from the ranks of the illegal pool" is just absurd.
How about absentee ballots? Used mostly by wealthier white Republican voters. This is a loop hole isn't it Blu? No picture ID is required. They just send you the ballot if you are a registered voter who voted in the last presidential election or a first time voter who is in the military. Why is the standard lowered for those who vote in this manner? if you go to the poll and do not thave the ID, regardless of whether or not you are in the book and voted in the last election you can't vote. Does this pass the smell test?
Posted by: Strawman at September 21, 2006 04:08 PM (tuy00)
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"Why is the standard lowered for those who vote in this manner?"
As much as I hate to admit it, you got me on this one. During this entire debate, I've totally forgotten about it.
At some point, this debate will get to the Supreme Court, and we will see who is right.
Posted by: blu at September 21, 2006 04:14 PM (TVuWZ)
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What will you say to those who will claim the mid-term election was stolen (should the RP maintain control of the H.) if the ID laws go into effect in some states and the Supremes strike them all down later?
Will you say this was Just honest American lawmakers trying, with good hearts and intentions to keep our democracy pure and fair? Honest men and women making a well meaning but unconstitutional law? Or might you take your head out of the sand and realize it was A crime purpetrated against the American people with malevalent intent and premeditation planned by the central committe and execuited by the party loyalists in the statehouses. Sounds like the old commies in the USSR don't it?
You'll let me know. I may yet meet you at the barracades.
Posted by: Strawman at September 21, 2006 05:43 PM (tuy00)
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"What will you say to those who will claim the mid-term election was stolen?
They are gonna say that regardless.
(In fact, watch the news over the next few weeks. I guarantee the MSM will start running stories about the "dangers" of electronic voting blah blah blah. The Reps are going to keep both Houses despite the MSMs best efforts. I can't wait to hear the excuses.)
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When I lived in London, every Sunday morning I would take the Circle Line four stops to St. James's Park. I loved to walk through that peaceful garden on my way to church. I loved the Duck Island, with all the geese and swans. It's my favorite of London's parks.
Usually I would go through the park to a very pretty Jesuit Cathedral in Mayfair called Immaculate Conception. But when I was running late (which was about half the time), I'd stay on the Buckingham Palace side of the park and visit Westminster Cathedral (not to be confused with the most famous church in Britain, Westminster Abbey).
So it was sad for me to see the scary pictures posted by A Catholic Londoner and taken outside Westminster Cathedral last Sunday.
Imagine having to run a gauntlet of hate-filled masked protesters, some of them quite possibly terrorists if not murderers, just to go to church.
Again, nice religion assholes.
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If it were Christians protesting at a Mosque, you can bet the police would be bending over backwards to protect the poor innocent muslims, and there would be no gauntlet. In fact, they's probably arrest the Christians for having the temerity to protest another person's religion.
But, as my blog motto states, all animal are equal...
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There's a hard rain commin'.
Posted by: Casca at September 18, 2006 12:34 PM (Z2ndo)
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Annie, are you sure the protesters aren't demonstrating against the garish architecture at Westminister Cathedral? It is one of the ugliest buildings ever built before the modern period.
Posted by: Hugo at September 18, 2006 01:26 PM (yLeev)
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Interesting you should say that, Hugo. I hesitated to mention the garish two tone style of the cathedral, but I do remember it. However, I remembered being surprised to learn that it was built relatively recently.
The cathedral's website states that it "was designed in the Early Christian Byzantine style by the Victorian architect John Francis Bentley. The foundation stone was laid in 1895 and the fabric of the building was completed eight years later."
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As new as that? I thought it was mid-19th century. Thanks for the picture.
Posted by: Hugo at September 18, 2006 05:33 PM (yLeev)
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Wow.
Thanks for the link, annie. You've inspired me to get back into the whole going-to-church thing... while I still can. Nothing like having someone take aim at your faith to make you remember why you have it.
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September 17, 2006
Nun Killed By Peaceful muslims
From BBC online:
Gunmen have shot dead an elderly Italian nun and her bodyguard in the Somali capital Mogadishu.
The attackers shot the nun three times in the back at a children's hospital in the south of the city, before fleeing the scene.
It is unclear if the shooting is connected with strong criticism by a radical Somali cleric about the Pope's recent comments on Islam.
The nun, who has not been named, is believed to be in her seventies.
The nun was taken into surgery in the Austrian-funded SOS Hospital, in Huriwa district, but she died from her injuries.
A fluent Somali speaker, the nun was one of the longest-serving foreign members of the Catholic Church in Somalia, a former Italian colony.
A Vatican spokesman said the killing was "a horrible act" which he hoped would remain isolated.
Yusuf Mohamed Siad, security chief for the Union of Islamic courts (UIC) which controls Mogadishu, said two people had been arrested.
I guess that whole thing about demanding that the Pope apologize in person was just a bluff. Once you make the list, you're on it for good. And now, it seems, all Catholics are on the list.
Nice religion, assholes.
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The Pope, who quoted a conversation between a Byzantine ruler and a Persian Muslim, in which a discussion occurred on the forced conversion of people by jihad, rather than by logic or reason, is threatened with violence. Let's see, the Pope quoted someone who said that Muslims are violent, and the Muslims react violently by killing, burning and threatening. Self-fulfulling prophecy? Or patently obvious murderous thugs hiding behind a so-called religion? Hobson's choice? I know, lots of questions.
Posted by: jesusland joe at September 17, 2006 05:55 PM (rUyw4)
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Just think of the money we could make if we started mass-producing "Pope-Effigies." We could open stores all over the Arab world called "Effigies 'R' Us."
We could probably quell the violence if while producing said effigies we loaded them with C-4. Then all of the maniacal whackjobs who go to the burning parties would be blown to smithereens. Sounds like a great idea to me, but, who am I?
Posted by: tony at September 18, 2006 05:29 AM (lEHiv)
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Annika,
While I completely sympathize with your pain and abhor the brutality committed in the name of the Prophet Muhammed, I would no more condem Christainity because (fill in the name) shot and killed a doctor for working in an abortion clinic. You can't have it both ways Annie and the demonizing only breeds more hatred. They both felt compelled to act because of their religious beliefs.
AS I have said many times before, until we pass out of this religion phase here on Earth, we will not be allowed to enter the galactic community. Maybe in two or three thousand years people will look back at these needy times and chuckle about religion the way we do at polytheism and the Olympian gods. At least we have progressed from many to only one: The arrow is pointing in the right direction.
Posted by: Strawman at September 18, 2006 06:45 AM (tuy00)
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The true pox on our time isn't the unwashed heathen of the dirt world, but the smug pseudo-intellectual fucktard in our midst who sleeps under the blanket of freedom provided by better men.
Posted by: Casca at September 18, 2006 06:51 AM (Z2ndo)
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But Annie, it's the Religion of Peace!!! In Bizarro World, of course, but hey, at least it's somewhere.
Posted by: physics geek at September 18, 2006 07:55 AM (KqeHJ)
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Not the abortion clinic canard, Straw. Quick, how many abortion peddlers have been killed by so-called Christians? How many abortion clinics bombed? These Islamo-fascists kill 10 times more people in an afternoon in Afghanistan than any Christians have abortion doctors. You have tossed out that comment before. It's old, but, more importantly, it's absurd. Why do you always fall back on your pathetic moral relativism?
Posted by: Blu at September 18, 2006 09:26 AM (j8oa6)
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yah but Strawman. when that dude shot the abortion doctor it was something that rarely happens... worldwide. and he was caught, thrown in jail, and where is he now???!
But when someone makes the mistake of
saying something that might be construed as possibly negative about the moslem religion whether it was intended as an insult or not, a violent reaction worldwide is not a surprise to anybody. In fact, it is expected.
You can say the Pope should not have included that quote, which he should have known would be taken out of context, and I agree totally. But there's something seriously wrong when the entire non-moslem world must walk on eggshells around these people.
Posted by: annika at September 18, 2006 09:31 AM (zAOEU)
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oh, and, p. fucking s.
"AS I have said many times before, until we pass out of this religion phase here on Earth, we will not be allowed to enter the galactic community"
Oh really? I was thinking that the atheist utopias of Mao and Stalin would be excellent examples of your New World Order without religion. You atheist worldview is responsible for more slaughter and depravity than any religious doctrine - even more than this current crop of sick Islamist bastards.
As Annie mentions above, if you want to make the claim that the Pope made a bad PR move, then fine; you are right. If you want to say that the Pope should have more to say about current Islamo-fascism, then fine; you are right. But don't pull the silly moral relativism/all religion is equally bad crap. And please don't give us the fucking retarded John Lennon if there were no religion line of crap. The 20th century showed us exactly what happens when that worldview is allowed a foothold.
p.p.s what the fuck is the "gallatic community?" I'll have to keep an ear out to determine if Rosie O' picks up on that gem. Perfecf left-wing slogan: Sounds kinda nice and means absolutely nothing.
Posted by: Blu at September 18, 2006 09:54 AM (j8oa6)
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"what the fuck is the 'gallatic community?'"
I saw him use that phrase at Moxie's a couple years ago. Basically, we can't cure AIDS, have world peace, make soylent green, or build the Starship Enterprise until we became atheist or something.
Posted by: reagan80 at September 18, 2006 10:43 AM (dFOlH)
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Oh you idiots.
Its a metaphor you dumb fucks, for a time in the FUTURE when I feel mankind will have tossed off the blanket of religion, confronted his mortality and the questions that may remain unaswered by that time with out bowing and scraping to some higer idea of existance and someone elses plan. Mankind will do itself some good when we are willing to accept the reality that we are it! And contained within homo sapiens is all that is necessary for life to flouriish and prosper on this temporal orb.
Talk about canards blu, athiests and atheism was not responsible of the canage of Stalin or Mao, just as Christianity was not responsible for the carnage of Hitler. Mall rats would laugh at you if you put forth that kind of thinking.
And where do you get off telling me I am soft on the Islmist crazies. For ten years I have told thoses who would listen that this would be the biggest problem the civilizations of earth would face in the next 25-50 years.
Abortion bombers/shooters are not prevalent and our society brings them to justice, not our religion. Shooters of nuns or filmakers go free because the civil government is incapable for the most part of connteracting the force of of the religious community. To a lesser degree that goes on here. Look at that stupid bill brought up today to remove the loser pays rule in establishment cases. Religion infiltrating civil government.
I am not a relativist. You are. I think ALL killing is horrible and that done in the name of ones god or prophet particulary heinous. I don't equivicate about how they do it more often and don't get caught. Murder is murder.
Posted by: Strawman at September 18, 2006 11:54 AM (tuy00)
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"our society brings them to justice, not our religion"
Our society and its laws are derived from our founding Christian faith. Learn a little bit about Western Civilization and the founding of your country. It's interesting stuff. Really. It will require reading, however. So, if you get a headache, just take a break. It gets easier the more you practice.
Christianity was never an important element of Hitler's Germany. Atheism, however, is a fundamental principle of communism - and it was rigorously applied under Stalin and Mao. The mall rats in whom you place so much faith probably couldn't tell you much about either man, so they might buy into your history re-write. I won't. I know you love to make excuses for the dirty history of communism - whether it's practiced by Castro or Mao, but the facts always get in your way
I never said you were "soft" on the sub-humans - just that you are willing to equate crimes that rarely ever occur with crimes that occur on a daily basis; that you are willing to say that Christian culture inspires that same death-cult that Islam does. Propounding such crap is silly because it is so easily refuted by the evidence.
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Ooops...'lest you're a woman.
Posted by: tony at September 18, 2006 04:26 PM (lEHiv)
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Blu, Annika,
Sorry for my outburst at the beginning of the last post. You know I only have love in my heart.
Blu, I don't think the teachings of Christianity any more than those of Islam or Judaism or Confucism are instructing people to be hateful, intolerant, murderous etc. I do think however, that, like your belief that Article 3 of the GC allows for to much interpretation to be useful, that scripture is erratic and inconsistent and becomes all things to all people. Clear minds usually do OK with it and cloudy ones do not.
To say that atheism was a fundamental tenet of communism is I think an exaggeration in principle (yes I know what Marx said but I also think they were realists so that by applying subtle and consistent pressure to reduce religious practices and removing houses of worship that in a few generations religion would disappear) and certainly in practice. To make some kind of equation that accounts for differences in motive for massive human tragedy out of the statement that "religion did not play to important a role in Germany" and your speculation about how important Atheism was to the Communists is worthy of my mall rat logicians. It is just a silly piece of speculative psychohistory not worthy of Harry Selden's attention.
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No worries, Straw. Sometimes things get heated in a debate. Human nature and all that jazz.
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September 16, 2006
A Woman For U.N. Sec Gen
I know I've already endorsed
Elton John to succeed Kofi Annan as U.N. Secretary General, but there is
a new candidate who has sparked my interest.
Latvian President Dr. Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga announced her intention yesterday to run for the post. Her competition includes South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon; U.N. undersecretary-general for public affairs Shashi Tharoor of India; Thailand's Deputy Prime Minister Surakiart Sathirathai; Jordan's U.N. Ambassador Prince Zeid al Hussein; and former U.N. disarmament chief Jayantha Dhanapala of Sri Lanka.
Conventional wisdom says that Dr. Vīķe-Freiberga's chances are slim, due to Russian opposition and the informal tradition of rotating the U.N.'s top post between regions. Asia is next in line and therefore many believe Ban Ki-moon to be the front runner.
In Dr. Vīķe-Freiberga's announcement, she addressed the regional rotation issue:
[T]he member states of the UN should be able to select the best candidate for the post of Secretary General in an open, transparent process. We do not accept the principle of regional rotation as the principal and sole factor in the selection of a candidate. While I deeply respect the candidates that have already been nominated, the selection procedure should not restrict the rights and opportunities of other potential candidates. I hope that the choice made by the Security Council and the General Assembly will be based solely on the candidatesÂ’ qualifications, personal qualities and vision of the future of the UN.
I agree, especially given what I learned about Dr. Vīķe-Freiberga's qualifications after only a little bit of research.
She's very popular in Latvia, a country that has done amazingly well since declaring independence from the Soviet empire in 1990. As she told the Danish Foreign Policy Society last month:
The transformation of my own country, Latvia, has taken place at every level. We take pride in having one of the fastest growing economies in Europe. Since 2002, LatviaÂ’s GDP growth has averaged at close to 8% (7.7%) per year. In 2005 it reached 10.2%, the highest rate of growth since the restoration of our independence. And during the first quarter of this year, it was registered at a stunning 13.1%, the highest rate in the European Union. Economic forecasts predict that this stable growth will continue in the coming years.
Dr. Vīķe-Freiberga is also proud of Latvia's progress on integration and education of its ethnic minorities.
Latvia has had to work very hard to overcome the tragic legacy of Soviet rule. One of the greatest challenges we have faced is the integration of those persons who settled in our country during the occupation, and their descendants. By the end of July of this year, nearly 114000 persons had naturalized to become citizens of the Republic of Latvia. When we regained our independence in 1991, less than a quarter of those who represent Latvia’s ethnic minorities could speak Latvian. By the year 2000, more than half could, and that percentage continues to rise. We have begun to implement an education reform that balances Latvia’s traditional respect for the rights of minority languages with the need to build a cohesive society. The motto adopted by the EU two years ago is “Unity in Diversity.” Latvia is a multicultural country that adopted one of the first laws guaranteeing education in minority languages close to 100 years ago, in 1919. Our experience with integration can serve as an example at a time when tolerance based in shared values is essential to Europe’s future. Unity and diversity need not necessarily be perceived as contradictory terms.
In regards to international policy, I'm impressed that Dr. Vīķe-Freiberga seems to understand the threat of totalitarian ideologies motivated by racism. In
her July speech to a Holocaust scholarship conference in Riga, she alluded to the obvious parallel between the Nazis and today's Islamic fascists:
And this is something that is extremely important for us to study because ideologies that demarcate some human beings under a special label and anybody who belongs to that special label then being marked for extinction, are the very root cause, the very basis of murderous genocides. Elsewhere in the world we see them happening on the basis of tribal belonging, on the basis of religious differences in various parts of the world, in the name of an ideology, in the name of a religion, whatever. It is extremely important for us to understand the principles, by which racism is defined and how is it that not just oppressive regimes and totalitarian governments, but also free movements of volunteers can be seduced into following such ideologies, where the destruction of somebody labelled either as an inferior or as an enemy is part and parcel of oneÂ’s being and when the aim is so high to destroy the other that people even come to the point of destroying themselves, where the hatred becomes so deep that they literally are ready to explode themselves in that hatred in the hope of bringing others along.
Those depths of human hatred have not disappeared from the world. They are still everywhere around us. And even when they are not official policies of some totalitarian government, when they become part of seductive ideologies that actually sway young people to join them, we have to be very very concerned and we have to continue working to understand them.
Her philosophy appears somewhat conservative to me, although I am troubled by her belief that the E.U. should adopt a common foreign policy. She favors a more "flexible" approach to labor, which would lower unemployment. And she recognizes that the E.U. is over-legislated and their regulatory scheme needs to be simplified to stimulate business.
Latvian troops are currently in Iraq, Afghanistan, Bosnia, and Kosovo and Dr. Vīķe-Freiberga is considered an ally of the Bush administration. While that's probably enough to doom her candidacy, I can't help wondering what it would be like to have a pro-American Sec Gen for a change (or at least one who is not openly anti-American and anti-semitic).
Dr. Vīķe-Freiberga concluded her speech to the Danish Foreign Policy Society with these words:
Naturally, every nation has its own, national interests. In today’s world, however, relations between nations are not a zero-sum game. It is in every nation’s interest to overcome the mistrust that prevents the effective functioning of multilateral institutions. In today’s world, no nation can stand alone against the challenges of our era. We will only overcome terrorism and other 21st –century threats if we co-operate more closely and reform the structures that make co-operation possible.
I can easily picture a U.N. leader exhorting member states to work together with similar words. But the meaning behind those words changes dramatically depending on whether the speaker is a Kofi Annan type or someone with the type of values I think Vaira Vīķe-Freiberga holds. I'd like to see her win.
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thats a lot of blogging on a weekend Annie, you should be watching football.
Posted by: kyle8 at September 16, 2006 04:42 PM (pyQCO)
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Two things:
STFU MUSSFUCKER! Nobody but nobody gives a flying fuck about AFLAC trivia.
Running the UN is all about being a corrupt third world toad. Being economically viable is an automatic non-starter. She's just not fit for the job.
Posted by: Casca at September 16, 2006 06:09 PM (2gORp)
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I thought Bill Clinton was campaigning for the job.
Think of all the strange booty he could get in THAT job...
Posted by: shelly at September 17, 2006 07:32 AM (ZGpMS)
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There would be no end to the hilarity if Lyin' Bill stepped back up on the world stage.
On another note, Annie must be in an orgasmic haze with Andrew Walters in the Oakland lineup. Funny the difference that one player in a key position can make.
Posted by: Casca at September 17, 2006 11:25 AM (2gORp)
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I wouldn't know. We got a new cable box from Time Fucking Warner yesterday and the damn thing won't work. I hate Time Fucking Warner in all of it's various manifestations.
Posted by: annika at September 17, 2006 12:00 PM (qQD4Q)
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Have the BF climb the pole, and pirate the signal. The service will be the same, but the price will be right.
Actually, you were spared watching the fucking hapless Raiders piss themselves in public. It was an Old School East Coast Thug, meets West Coast Punks. Even with last minute fucktard officiating giving them half the field, and whistling a fumble dead, they STILL couldn't get in the endzone. Walter went in during the 1st quarter, and stayed in the game. As the boys in the box said, "At least he can take a snap".
On a personal note, God bless Art Schell. He's made me richer today.
Posted by: Casca at September 17, 2006 01:25 PM (2gORp)
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My favorite team won another game today!
Posted by: shelly at September 17, 2006 07:03 PM (ZGpMS)
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Annie:
No posts about the Golden Ones?
C'mon, they found their game this Saturday and you give 'em the silent treatment.
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Yes, i read on the internets that Cal won. Since i was unable to watch the game without the picture breaking into a million little digital rectangles every two seconds.
Has anyone noticed my new rotating epigram?
Posted by: annie at September 18, 2006 09:35 AM (zAOEU)
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They may have declared independence in 1990, but it was well after we went through this
crap in Lithuania that they won it. Really, all of the Baltics won de facto independence in August 1991, in the wake of the coup that ousted Gorby and elevated Yeltsin.
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September 15, 2006
Welcome To The Next "Cartoon" Riots
I predict we're seeing the beginning of the next round of worldwide riots by the "religion of peace." This time over the Pope's remarks at the University of Regensburg.

In case you had any doubt whether the mainstream media would act to pour fuel on the fire or remain objective, here's how Reuters (via CNN) misquoted the Holy Father:
In his speech at the University of Regensburg on Tuesday, Benedict quoted criticism of Islam and the Prophet Mohammad by 14th century Byzantine Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who wrote that everything Mohammad brought was evil and inhuman, "such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached."
Note the subtle and unnecessary use of paraphrasing. What Benedict actually said was this:
The emperor comes to speak about the issue of jihad, holy war. He said, I quote, 'Show me just what Muhammad brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached.'
Reuters continues,
The head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Mohamed Mahdi Akef, whose organization is one of the oldest, largest and most influential in the Arab world, said the pope 'aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world and strengthened the argument of those who say that the West is hostile to everything Islamic.' [emphasis mine]
Hold it! Stop right there! As Peter Pumpkin would say,
whut the fuk??
The Muslim Brotherhood is "one of the oldest, largest and most influential" organizations in the Arab World? Is it older than say.... the Catholic Church!? I don't get Reuters' point. Never mind the blatant editorialization of the statement (Reuters didn't even try to mask it by turning it into a quote by some supposed expert), am I supposed to give greater weight to Mr. Akef's objections because he's the "leader" of a religious organization that's been around a long time? If so, then I gotta go with the Pope, because they've been around a bit longer.
But that's neither here nor there. Because the organization in question, the Muslim Brotherhood, is in fact an evil organization. And I noticed also that Reuters/CNN neglected to mention that important point.
Catholic author Gary Dale Cearley:
The Muslim Brotherhood? Isn’t that the group whose last part of their motto says ‘death for the sake of God is the highest of our aspirations’? Aren’t they the ones who assassinated Anwar Al-Sadat, the leader of Egypt and made several attempts on the life of Ghamal Al-Nasser? Wasn’t Ayman Al-Zawahiri a long-time member of this group before joining Islamic Jihad and uniting it with Al-Qaeda? Isn’t the Muslim Brotherhood outlawed in its ‘normal’ form in several Arab countries today? Isn’t the Muslim Brotherhood one of the largest supporters and benefactors of Hamas? Isn’t the Muslim Brotherhood’s stated goal to unite the entire world as one nation under Islam? Why should we be alarmed that the Muslim Brotherhood’s leader, Mohamed Mahdi Akef, said the Pope ‘aroused the anger of the whole Islamic world and strengthened the argument of those who say that the West is hostile to everything Islamic’? The Pope was simply quoting a man, Emperor Manuel II Palaeologus, who was one of the last Byzantine rulers who was very often being attacked by the Muslim Ottomans. Manuel II had seen what Islam was doing to his nation.
Here are some more perfectly ironic statements:
Indonesian protest organizer Heri Budianto:
Of course as we know the meaning of jihad can only be understood by Muslims . . . Only Muslims can understand what jihad is. It is impossible that jihad can be linked with violence, we Muslims have no violent character."
That is priceless!
From Iraq's Sheik Salah al-Ubaidi:
In Iraq's Shiite Muslim-stronghold of Kufa, Sheik Salah al-Ubaidi criticized the pope during Friday prayers, saying his remarks were a second assault on Islam.
'Last year and in the same month the Danish cartoon assaulted Islam,' he said, referring to a Danish newspaper's publication of caricatures of the Prophet Muhammad, which triggered outrage in the Muslim world.
And we all know what happened then.
In Britain, Muhammad Abdul Bari of the Muslim Council said:
One would expect a religious leader such as the pope to act and speak with responsibility and repudiate the Byzantine emperor's views in the interests of truth and harmonious relations between the followers of Islam and Catholicism.
Riiiight. Like Muslim leaders have been so very quick to repudiate the views of their most vocal representatives, Osama Bin Laden, Ayman Al Zawahiri, Hassan Nasrallah,
et al.

The Pope's invitation to visit Turkey (the home of Mehmet Ali Ağca, lest we forget) is now in jeopardy.
In Turkey, . . . Ali Bardakoglu, the head of Ankara's Directorate General for Religious Affairs, . . . describ[ed] the pope's words as 'extremely regrettable.'
'I do not see any use in somebody visiting the Islamic world who thinks in this way about the holy prophet of Islam. He should first rid himself of feelings of hate,' NTV's Web site quoted Bardakoglu as saying.
Look who's talking about hate.
Bardakoglu . . . recalled atrocities committed by Roman Catholic Crusaders during the Middle Ages in the name of their faith against Orthodox Christians and Jews as well as Muslims.
Atrocities? Again, the muslims show how long their memory is. But it's a selective memory, as author Cearly points out:
I believe that Benedict touched a nerve with these people and that nerve has direct historical roots the Muslims are refusing to consider. Where does the Muslim responsibility to rid themselves of these feelings and reign themselves in begin and end? Constantly falling back on harkening to the Crusades is for their audience, which is an audience that forgets, or refuses to remember, that the Arabs forced scores of people from many nations and religions in conquered territories to convert over the centuries. In many countries these periods of forced conversion were the most bloody chapters of their history. And even more important, these Muslim leaders ignore the fact that at varying times the Muslims took their own ‘Crusades’ to Europe, pushing their way to Austria and to the Pyrenees mountains at different points in history. These pushes into Europe both pre-date the Crusades to the Holy Land by several centuries and they continued after the Crusades to the Holy Land, again for several centuries. Standing eye to eye and toe to toe, Islam has more to answer for in the West than the West has to answer for to Islam but you will never hear this from a Muslim ‘spokesperson’.
I am not one of those who thinks that publishing of the Mohammed Cartoons was "regrettable," "unfortunate," or whatever other weasely word you want to use. What
Jyllands-Posten did probably needed doing, and it certainly clued a lot of formerly clueless people in to what radical Islam is all about.
That said, I do think Pope Benedict might have been better off leaving that one particular quote from Manuel II out of his speech. But what's done is done. The bell can't be unrung. What's next is for us to see once more how tolerant the "religion of peace" is towards any type of criticism. Especially in this case, when the Pope's speech was not meant as criticism.
Update: Here's another laughably ironic comment from a muslim writing in London's al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper. First he says that "there is no difference between" the Holy Father, Osama bin Laden and Ayman al-Zawahiri. Regarding the Pope's speech, he goes on to say:
These are ignorant comments previously made by Adolf Hitler, who spoke of a supreme white race against all the other races, especially the African race.
(Ummm, and the Jews? Interesting that he didn't say the Jews.)
Michelle Malkin has a roundup of the unsurprising violence now beginning in the muslim world. These idiots are lashing out at anything and everything non-muslim. They're confusing Anglican and Greek Orthodox churches with Catholic ones, and they're calling the anti-war Pope a part of the Zionist American conspiracy.
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Speaking of ironic quotes:
"Anyone who describes Islam as a religion as intolerant encourages violence," Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Tasnim Aslam said.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Posted by: Tuning Spork at September 15, 2006 01:10 PM (S1+EF)
Posted by: Scof at September 15, 2006 01:41 PM (a3fqn)
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Annika,
I read the Pope's remarks over lunch today and nearly spit my sausage and eggs into my assistants soup.
While all that you say about the nature of these Islamists and all the sorted history that has transpired over the last millenium and a half, it was a really, really wrong headed quotation to include in Benny's remarks.
What were they thinking? It would just float by as a piece of historical fluff? Like Condi thought the "determined to attack" memo was?
These people are seriously looking all the time for anything that is a slight of Mr. M. and they are NEVER looking to have their understanding of Islam and Mr. M's deeds upgraded especially by the pope!
And BTW, if a Muslim leader ever spoke such nastiness about your lord JC and his efforts to convert and the violence and destruction it inspired, you would be pretty pissed off. I am sure, however,that you would not be burning trash in the street since it would make your cloths reek and get soot and stuff in your hair.
Posted by: Strawman at September 15, 2006 02:06 PM (tuy00)
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Jesus didn't make a 10-year "ceasefire" deal with infidels and break it after 2.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Hudaybiyyah
Posted by: reagan80 at September 15, 2006 03:06 PM (dFOlH)
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Strawman, what are you doing eating sausage? don't you know what goes into that stuff?
Posted by: annika at September 16, 2006 10:19 AM (qQD4Q)
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Pope John did the world a great favor by pointing out the evils of Communism. It created a fault line in the love affair of the Western left and the media with the brutal regimes in the Soviet Union.
That love of Communist brutality has now been transferred to the brutality of Islamic Fascists. The Pope can render the world a great service by continuing to speak out against that Fascist brutality. Maybe the Fascist collaborators in the media and the left will wake up.
Posted by: Jake at September 16, 2006 10:40 AM (r/5D/)
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Congrats Straw. You've now achieved the exact intellectual status of Rosie O'Donnell. A step up for you.
I stand with the Pope.
Posted by: gcotharn at September 16, 2006 11:24 AM (NoXBk)
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Gotta hand it to ya, Straw, you're absolutely consistent and dependable.
Posted by: Blu at September 16, 2006 01:23 PM (TVuWZ)
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Ya know Blu, when the empty lot at my corner has two nutty and aggressive pit bulls tied to a stump I don't think it take an act of courage to stand in front of them dangling a small child by it's heels to demonstrate how savage they are. It is dangerous. I am NOT defending the sensibilities of those offended just trying to point out careless behavior that seems like throwing gasoline on the bonfire.
Please tell me what was insightfull, neccessary or courages about Bennies comments? As if the world needed to be told that some 14 century intelect thought Muhammad was not the nicest fellow pitching a tent in the desert. Why didn't the Pope open his own mouth and tell the world what he thinks of Muhammad's CURRENT apostles?
Posted by: Strawman at September 16, 2006 01:59 PM (tuy00)
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Shit annie, you had me there for a minute. I thought that first pic was from Columbus after the win last Saturday.
Posted by: Casca at September 16, 2006 06:13 PM (2gORp)
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Strawman, what are you doing eating sausage? don't you know what goes into that stuff?
Posted by annika on Sep. 16, 2006
"Those who love the law and sausage should watch neither being made."
Otto von Bismark
Posted by: shelly at September 16, 2006 06:51 PM (ZGpMS)
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BTW, the Mainsteam Media are not Fascist Collaborators; they are simply, as the former Vladimir Ilyich Ulanov put it, "Useful Idiots".
Posted by: shelly at September 17, 2006 07:45 AM (ZGpMS)
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"And BTW, if a Muslim leader ever spoke such nastiness about your lord JC and his efforts to convert and the violence and destruction it inspired, you would be pretty pissed off."
Muslims don't generally say nastiness about Jesus, but instead about Christianity, since they regard Jesus as a Muslim prophet, and often treat Western secular disregard for Jesus as blasphemy against Islam, deranged as that may be.
"Those who love the law and sausage should watch neither being made."
Even for one who worked in the sausage-factory of a state legislature, that quote never get old.
Posted by: Dave J at September 17, 2006 10:51 AM (SKqxt)
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Dave J.
I stand corrected. Things christian and most things theological tend to allude me. Personally, being a jewish carpenter myself JC is a hero of sorts.
Otto V B was correct no doubt. I don't know if Annie's comment was about sausage in general or that it probably contains pork and was a thinnly veiled threat that she was going to rat me out to the Rabbi.
Posted by: Strawman at September 17, 2006 11:10 AM (tuy00)
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"Why didn't the Pope open his own mouth and tell the world what he thinks of Muhammad's CURRENT apostles?"
Fair question and challenge. I hope the Catholic Church begins to get more vocal in regard to these barbarians.
Posted by: Blu at September 17, 2006 08:42 PM (TVuWZ)
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September 13, 2006
Essay Exam
One of the purposes of this blog, as I have said before, is to learn from my readers. I have a theory in mind, and I'm wondering if I'm on the right track. Please help me by taking this short answer essay test. One sentence answers are best.
- Why did the Confederacy bomb Fort Sumter?
- Why did Germany invade the Soviet Union?
- Why did the Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor?
- Why did Muslim terrorists bomb the World Trade Center in 1993?
- Why did Muslim terrorists bomb the World Trade Center in 2001?
- Generally speaking, is there a common motivator among all these acts?
Please mail your answers here.
Update: Thanks for all the great responses. Now I think my theory is not so good. And probably question number one doesn't really belong there since, as many of you pointed out, Ft. Sumter was bombed in response to Federal resupply of the island, and was not a surprise attack.
I had been thinking that all of the above actions were pre-emptive strikes by inferior forces against a superior power. And the common theme would be that each of the attackers had a particular vision of society, and in each case the attackee uniquely stood in the way of the attacker's vision.
However, the Germans and the Japanese planned to shorten a war of conquest by their surprise attacks, while the same cannot really be said of the WTC bombers. The terrorists are not capable of fighting any war of conquest, and I don't really believe they expected the response they got after 2001.
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Obviously, I misread your questions. Perhaps if you had asked for the "Strategy" behind these acts. Actually, I'd group 1 with 4, 5, and 6. South Carolina wanted blood, and got it. To the extent they had a strategy, it was childish in it's sophistication, just like our muslim brothers. They have a strategy. Convert the infidel.
Posted by: Casca at September 15, 2006 06:29 AM (Z2ndo)
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What they all have in common is one thing; miscalculation.
It is the cause of every war, isn't it?
Posted by: shelly at September 15, 2006 07:01 AM (ZGpMS)
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I was trying to get the spelling of somebodys name to do with WWII and ran across a Wikipedia article on Stalins plans to attack Hitler first. The 2 of them and their armies were like blind men groping around in the dark with knives. The eery thing about it. You remember that literally crazy dumb ass Rudolf Hess who flew to England to make a separate peace. Well, Stalin had been worried about a posible union of the capitalist countries, in which he included Germany, against the USSR. So with this he put off his planned attack, waiting to make sure that wasn't in the offing. Hess flew in early July and the Germans attacked first about Aug 1 as I recall. It is said the Russian attack would've ended WWII 2 years earlier, getting themselves together before the attack the Germans were low on ammo, unorganized for defense. The Jews just couldn't catch a break.
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September 12, 2006
Syria, Hezbollah, North Korea Violate UN Security Council Resolution... World Yawns
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Reuters:A ship bound for Syria from North Korea and detained in Cyprus on an Interpol alert for suspected arms smuggling was carrying air defense systems, Cypriot authorities said on Monday.
The shipment was billed as weather-observation equipment on the freight manifest of the Panamanian-flagged Grigorio 1 and officials said the Syrian government had asked Cyprus to release the seized consignment.
"To my knowledge their name doesn't appear anywhere on the manifest as the consignee, but they have got involved," a senior shipping industry source in Nicosia told Reuters.
He said the vessel had been tracked over a long period of time.
The ship was carrying 18 truck-mounted mobile radar systems and three command vehicles. "The radars on the 18 trucks appear to be part of an air defense system," a police spokeswoman said.
And to think people mocked the president when he included North Korea in the Axis of Evil.
10 bucks says the "international community" does squat about this violation.
h/t LGF
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20 bucks says the "Wartime President" and his administration do just as little.
Posted by: Doug at September 12, 2006 11:59 AM (Xrw9x)
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Any ocean carrier/freight forwarder/port operator that is involved with fraudulent cargo manifests should be barred from all international trade activity in any civilized country.
Posted by: david foster at September 12, 2006 01:23 PM (/Z304)
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I wonder how today's events at our embassy affect the political calculation.
Posted by: Blu at September 12, 2006 02:03 PM (TVuWZ)
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Sure Doug... and $30 bucks says it'll be because of the lack of cooperation and, in some cases, overt hostility and interference from the International Community.
Posted by: ElMondoHummus at September 13, 2006 06:13 AM (DXodP)
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"And to think people mocked the president when he included North Korea in the Axis of Evil."
Everybody is on the North Korea, it's just that the term is archaic and sensationalistic.
And it depends on what kind of air defense system it is, especially with so many trailers (obviously not shoulder mount). SA-4b? 6a? 8b? The systems the NK have are getting very old and their effectiveness approaches zero.
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September 11, 2006
The 9/11 Coverage Replays
This morning, I tried to find CNN's replay of their 9/11 coverage, but it wasn't on tv. I did find NBC's replay, which was broadcast on MSNBC. What I saw bothered me a lot, and I waited all day to post something about it.
Now that I'm home, I was able to view the CNN coverage from that day, thanks to Hot Air. I was able to compare CNN's excellent coverage to NBC's, or I should say, contrast. I've often been critical of CNN, but all I can say is I do miss Aaron Brown.
Kiki Couric and Tom Brokaw were incredibly bad by any standard, and I can't understand why. Somewhere, somehow, the two of them got the idea that good journalism means completely divorcing yourself from all human feeling. Or, perhaps, that the "citizens of the world" ideal that today's elite media have fetishized required them to abandon any sense of horror in order not to offend those viewers who might have been happy about the deaths of thousands.
Or perhaps the two of them thought that by remaining scrupulously objective, they might win some sort of award or peer recognition for their level-headedness. Instead, Couric and Brokaw came off as more wooden than Mr. Spock. Or Al Gore. I don't know what made them think that emotionlessness was required on that day, of all days. The most memorable newscasts during tragic events have always included the broadcaster's personal reactions — and yes emotions — while simultaneously reporting the news. Think Walter Cronkite and JFK, Frank Reynolds and Reagan, or to go way back, Herb Morrison and the Hindenburg.
Amazingly, as I watched the South Tower collapse, Kiki and Tom said nothing. It was as if they didn't see it. But how could that be? It was their job to see it. Then, as Manhattan disappeared behind a thick wall of smoke they continued to act as if nothing had happened. I waited and waited, but they made no mention of the incredible scene unfolding before their very eyes. In fact, it wasn't until eight long minutes later that another correspondent said the first thing about the tower collapsing!
Which brings up an interesting point. Michael Moore made a career out of criticizing Bush's "seven long minutes." But here were two experienced and celebrated journalists, who's job it was to report what was happening, and they completely failed to mention the biggest thing either of them had ever witnessed or would ever witness in their entire careers. Eight long minutes they sat there repeating banalities while lower Manhattan was entirely engulfed in smoke and neither of them said a word about it.
Here's a clip of when the other correspondent stated the obvious for the very first time, "When you look at it the building has collapsed. That building just came down." Listen to what Kiki says at the very end. Instead of reacting to this horrific and unimaginable event, she immediately cuts the reporter off and goes to "Bob Bazell who's at St. Vincent's Hospital..." Infreakincredible.
Which is why Aaron Brown's coverage stands out. When the South Tower began to fall, he interrupted another remote immediately. He then described what we all watched, as it happened, with words like "extraordinarily frightening," which is exactly what it was.
It's a disgrace that Aaron Brown is now teaching at ASU, while Kiki Couric is making $15 million a year.
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Katie Couric is a news reader. Nothing more and nothing less. Words flow from the teleprompter to her eyes and then to her mouth. There are no intermediate stops during that trip.
Posted by: Jake at September 11, 2006 07:38 PM (r/5D/)
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Jake, you left out matronly and surgically enhanced. And while we're at it. Her husband died of nut-cancer. I'm just sayin'. She may be a carrier.
Posted by: Casca at September 11, 2006 08:05 PM (2gORp)
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I scrupulously avoided all 9-11 coverage today; didn't want to go through it again.
That having been said, an argument can be made that when something horrific happens, and you know the TV cameras are covering it, there's no point in saying anything.
If Couric and Brokaw had shut their mouths, that would have been understandable. However, it sounds like they kept on talking about other stuff.
Wasn't this the time that Brokaw was spending every waking hour covering every moment of every soldier who fought in World War II? Did he refer to the hijackers as "Huns" during the 9-11 broadcast?
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at September 11, 2006 10:09 PM (HvByG)
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I didn't become a habitual Fox News viewer until a couple months after 9/11.
CNN soon reverted back to their deadpan "citizens of the world" coverage of the War on Terror. It seemed like Fox News was the only place where the reporters genuinely emoted their disgust for our enemies and rooted for the "good guys" in our military.
Plus, it helped that Fox & Friends had all of those Mancow segments.
Posted by: reagan80 at September 12, 2006 05:24 AM (dFOlH)
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When I see her I just really want to spit on my TV screen.
Posted by: Blu at September 12, 2006 07:42 AM (TVuWZ)
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I've watched her for a few segments on a few different days (none of the 9-11 stuff however) and agree with Jake. Garbage in garbage out and 15 million into her account. What a great thing capitalism and the free markets are. The best always rising to the top! ItÂ’s uncanny.
Posted by: Strawman at September 12, 2006 03:16 PM (tuy00)
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We'll see if capitalism is functioning correctly if she is still sitting in that chair a year from now if her ratings continue to plummet. Now that she is there, however, they have to deal with the political backlash if she is "reassigned." The femi-nazis will cry bloody fucking murder if she is let go and replaced by a man - God forbid a White Man. It's more than just economics at work here....unfortunately.
I'll bet if the State chose the Anchormen/Anchorwomen that the cream would really rise to the top! Then we wouldn't have to worry about stupid, ol'Katie Couric...
Straw, thanks for always being good for a chuckle. You really are the gift that just keeps on giving. Site wouldn't be the same without you.
Posted by: Blu at September 12, 2006 04:10 PM (TVuWZ)
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Well,
You have to understand Aaron is paid to actually MAKE a contribution to society.
Stik
Posted by: stiknstein at September 12, 2006 05:30 PM (SlV03)
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Blu,
I saw you spit post and thought this might be the solution to your distance from Kikki:
Blu, only spitting? (I wrote) I should send you a Nippon video clip I saw where the news reader, a classic long necked Japanese beauty, hair in a bun, business suit with pearls and collared pastel blouse, nice Armani frames, sits stoically reading the international news when in no particular order, members of the crew, audience, and control room staff stroll down across the stage and nonchalantly ejaculate on her face then go back to their seats or boom mic or camera while she continues reading without raising a hand to protest, wipe or wave. Quite the broadcast!
I never tire of the incredibly sick psychosexual disorders of modern Japanese culture.
You Blu could get a pal more versed in video doctoring than you probably are, to insert Ms. Couric's punim in the clip and save your precious bodily fluids from going to waste. Or, maybe CBS will, when KikkiÂ’s ratings are in free fall like W's, offer up a similarly based reality show and you can send in a resume. PBF be damned! Or maybe the White house will for W. Could be fun.
Posted by: Strawman at September 12, 2006 07:01 PM (tuy00)
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I watched that rerun too, and I was surprised too. I remember hearing how, on 9/11 all media coverage was raw and punctuated by "oh god"s, but that's not what we got on MSNBC. They almost seemed to sound like they'd seen it all before. "Oh look, a building is falling down. Now back to you, Chuck." I didn't get to see the TV coverage five years ago, so when I watched it yesterday, it wasn't quite as *powerful* as I expected it to be. Well, I mean MSNBC wasn't. It was powerful enough if you just tuned them out.
Posted by: Sarah at September 13, 2006 06:50 AM (YL5y0)
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Tuning out MSNBC is always a good idea.
Posted by: Blu at September 13, 2006 08:10 AM (TVuWZ)
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