July 31, 2005
France Does What Brits Won't
From the
Telegraph, via
Aaron's cc:
The gulf between British and French treatment of preachers of hatred and violence was thrown sharply into focus yesterday when France announced the summary expulsion of a dozen Islamists between now and the end of August.
A tough new anti-terrorism package was unveiled by Nicolas Sarkozy, the interior minister and a popular centre-Right politician.
His proposals reflect French determination to act swiftly against extremists in defiance of the human rights lobby, which is noticeably less vocal in France than in Britain.
Imams and their followers who fuel anti-western feeling among impressionable young French Muslims will be rounded up and returned to their countries of origin, most commonly in France's case to its former north African colonies.
Mr Sarkozy also revealed that as many as 12 French mosques associated with provocative anti-western preaching were under surveillance. Imams indulging in inflammatory rhetoric will be expelled even if their religious status is recognised by mainstream Muslim bodies.
Those who have assumed French citizenship will not be protected from deportation. Mr Sarkozy said he will reactivate measures, 'already available in our penal code but simply not used', to strip undesirables of their adopted nationality. 'We have to act against radical preachers capable of influencing the youngest and most weak-minded,' Mr Sarkozy told the French daily Le Parisien.
The doctrine of pre-emption at work in France? Interesting.
More: Here's another foreign terrorism related story from the BBC:
Russia's defence chief has barred the ministry from contact with ABC TV after the US network's interview with Chechen rebel leader Shamil Basayev.
Sergei Ivanov said the ministry considered ABC 'persona non grata' following Thursday's broadcast.
The warlord has claimed the 2004 raid on a school in Beslan. In the interview he admitted he was a terrorist, but said the Russians were terrorists too.
Russia's most wanted man also said he was plotting more attacks.
'Today I have given the order to the head of the press service that not one serviceman of the defence ministry should have contact with the American television channel ABC,' Mr Ivanov said in televised comments.
'We will continue to act openly with the press, but this channel will not be invited to the defence ministry and no interviews will ever be given to it,' he said.
'This channel is now persona non grata for the defence ministry and is an outcast.'
Beautiful.
The interview conducted by Russian journalist Andrei Babitsky was recorded at the warlord's hideout in Chechnya.
Russia is offering $10m (£6m) for the capture of the warlord, whom it accuses of several major attacks.
More than 320 people - around half of them children - were killed at the school in Beslan last September.
Actually, i think "journalists" should be encouraged to interview terrorists, but only if they swallow a satellite tracking device first. Then if some bombs happen to fall during the interview, oh well, no big loss.
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My understanding is that French law requires that all sermons in all faiths have to be in French.
I'm usually opposed to the French attitudes about their language, believing that the sooner French joins Latin as a dead language for scholars no longer spoken will improve the planet. However, the notion of requiring sermons be in the local vernacular so an outsider could audit has some merit. I'd have no problem with an outsider listening in on my rabbi's sermons. Any congregation that WOULD have a problem should be treated as suspect.
Anyway, thanks for the shout-out.
Posted by: Aaron's cc: at July 31, 2005 10:26 AM (ov6Vw)
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Lest you doubt the French nature, revisit "The Sorrow & The Pity". There is no reason for the French to feel more affection for the Arab than the Jew. They just need a little catalyst to start dropping heads into baskets, or shipping Jews to the gas chambers, or whatever this age will bring to their emotionally fueled hatreds.
Posted by: Casca at July 31, 2005 10:37 AM (qBTBH)
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Since Napoleon, the French haven't had cojones. Not a Charles Martel left among them.
Pity that the delicious
Sabine Herald doesn't have more of a following.
Posted by: Aaron's cc: at July 31, 2005 11:43 AM (ov6Vw)
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Aaron, to give credit where it is due, The French didn't go downhill untill after world war one. That war killed off all the good sperm and left only the cowards, pimps, and politicians to reproduce.
Posted by: Kyle at July 31, 2005 02:43 PM (H5KE9)
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World War I was a terrible experience for France, with almost an entire generation killed. At St-Cyr, the French military academy, the *entire* class of 1914 was killed.
Although the fight put up by the French Army in 1940 was not equivalent to what they did in 1914-1918, it wasn't as trivial as it's been made out to be, either. French casualties (killed) in that was were on the order of 100,000.
Posted by: David Foster at July 31, 2005 03:40 PM (7TmYw)
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Yes, and those left alive about nine to one were Nazi collaborators. The myth of WWII is that there was a massive French resistance. The French rounded up the French Jews and sent them to the death camps. The Nazis had a willing partner.
Posted by: Casca at July 31, 2005 04:22 PM (qBTBH)
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Indeed: Vichy France was far more cooperative in that respect that Nazi Germany's nominally "equal" ally, Italy. Mussolini was a thug, but he had never been particularly anti-Semitic, and until his senior partner in the Axis started making demands, Italian Jews had originally been allowed to become members of the Fascist Party and rise in its ranks on an (at least theoretically) equal footing.
Posted by: Dave J at July 31, 2005 07:13 PM (8XpMm)
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but only if they swallow a satellite tracking device first
FWIW the so-called journalist who conducted the interview offered to do just that to the russian defense ministry. or so he said in an after interview review.
also, i did not find the interview as unsettling as ted koppel's lecture on the first ammendment, immediately after a letter from the kremlin was read on air.
it would be best if the U.S. followed the russian lead. imo
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July 30, 2005
USS Midway Photos
i've posted some photos from last weekend's visit to
USS Midway. You can find them
here. It was interesting walking around a carrier with my dad, who served on one back in the day (not the
Midway). We really got the inside story.
According the the Midway's website, it was the longest serving carrier in the U.S. Navy.
The USS Midway set new standards of naval aviation in the latter half of the 20th century. A captured German V-2 rocket was launched off the USS Midway in 1946—the dawn of naval missile warfare. The USS Midway blazed new trails of sub-Arctic air operations off the coast of Greenland. It was the first carrier homeported in a foreign country, calling Yokosuka, Japan home for 18 years. When others came home, the USS Midway remained at the “tip of the sword” on an odyssey shared by 200,000 Americans that spanned the surrender of Japan in WWII, the Cold War, Vietnam, the era of détente and Desert Storm.
It's worth a look if you're ever in San Diego.
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We literally must've been in SD at the same time, last week I went and saw the exhibit too! It is a great exhibit, definitely everyone should check it out. If only I'd known, then... then what?!
Posted by: Scof at July 31, 2005 12:09 AM (4P1HE)
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The movie that goes best with this post is:
"The Bridges at Toko-Ri" (1955) staring William Holden and Grace Kelly.
Posted by: Jake at July 31, 2005 07:57 AM (r/5D/)
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Bloody tourists, and civilians!
I was dining in the panoramic dining room of the University Club last night, and observing that most unique of sights, no carriers at North Island. Could the nippers be sneaking up on us again? In any case, when they parked the Midway at the foot of Broadway, they diminished the view of San Diego from the island, and limited the view down the bay in both directions from the SD side.
The people running this concession are a bunch of idiots. I could go on at length, but witness the fifty dollar home depot park bench sitting at the business end of the flight deck. Good gawd, I wish they'd move it to Long Beach with the rest of the relics.
Posted by: Casca at July 31, 2005 08:21 AM (qBTBH)
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Uh, were you drunk when you took these pictures?
Posted by: Casca at July 31, 2005 08:24 AM (qBTBH)
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Scof: i was there on Monday, what a coincidence!
Jake: got it on DVD.
Casca: if there was any doubt that you're a Marine, it's gone now.
Posted by: annika at July 31, 2005 09:00 AM (tuV7q)
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btw, Dad remarked about the lack of carriers too.
Posted by: annika at July 31, 2005 09:02 AM (tuV7q)
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this dosent have much to do with it, but my Uncle was a sailor on the Enterprise when it got set on fire by Kamakazis. He described the battle to me when i was a kid and it sure was an eye opener.
He was a crusty ol fart who had some sage advice, about tatoos: He told me only bikers and whte trash get tatoos unless you are a sailor or marine then you can have a goddam anchor on your arm.
about male jewlry: "the only men who where earings are pirates and butt pirates"
about women: "Get one who can cook, you stop having sex after a year anyway."
true stuff.
Posted by: Kyle at July 31, 2005 02:48 PM (H5KE9)
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For a sailor, I kinda like your uncle.
Posted by: Casca at August 01, 2005 06:29 AM (qBTBH)
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Wow, yet another thing we have in common, Annika. My dad worked on carriers, too. He was a civilian electronics technician. He would often get sent out for weeks at a time to meet the Midway wherever it happened to be (San Diego, Bremerton, Hawaii, Japan, or the Philippines usually). He also worked a lot on the Coral Sea, the Enterprise, and the Nimitz.
I didn't know the Midway had set up shop in San Diego. I'll have to check it out next time I'm there...
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This Day In Military History
Today is the 141st anniversary of the
Battle of the Crater. If you don't know what that is, i suggest renting
Cold Mountain tonight. i love that movie.
Anyways, the Battle of the Crater was one of the craziest episodes of the Civil War. It was an idea that should have worked in theory, but in execution was fucked up from start to finish. If you think of all the Federal blunders committed during the Civil War, it's a wonder we're not two countries today. But we stuck it out, thanks to a man named Abraham Lincoln, whose resolve did not waver despite innumerable setbacks and intense opposition to the war.
Speaking of Civil War films, one movie that i saw recently, which doesn't get enough credit as a fabulous CW movie, is The Horse Soldiers from 1959. It was directed by John Ford, and starred John Wayne and Bill Holden. i think that's all you'd need to know in order to go rent it ASAP.
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the new york times, at the time, in an article, referred to president lincoln as, "a damn fool".
that would be a sitting president.
that would be the new york times.
another C/W movie that, imo, gives an accurate account of what actually happened would be "the red badge of courage" w/ audy murphy.
not as spectacular as annie's recommendation i'm sure.
Posted by: louielouie at July 30, 2005 10:15 AM (xKfMm)
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Thanks for the movie tip. My fav movie is John Ford/John Wayne/Barry Fitzgerald -- The Quiet Man. Impetuous. Homeric.
Posted by: irishlass at July 30, 2005 10:25 AM (X5jpy)
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...because it's the Duke. And that should be reason enough lit-tle lady!
Posted by: Mike at July 30, 2005 11:43 AM (S+WZw)
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If i'm not mistaken The Horse Soldiers is one in a group of three films about the same characters.
Posted by: Kyle at July 30, 2005 01:43 PM (H5KE9)
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My favorite Duke film is still Sands of Iwo Jima.
Where he gave the greatest line of his career. "Son, life is tough, but its a whole lot tougher when your stupid".
Posted by: Kyle at July 30, 2005 01:45 PM (H5KE9)
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regional governor said wo bombs of ar and perhaps a bomb of bag had balaned plae of reovery whih is popular wih plungers. * a deflagraion o break before far vom from hoel wih of Ghazala in bay Naama, plae of insallaion majoriy of Luxuxhoels plaes violen one, in whom nobody o inlude/undersand in Rubble o fear.
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I am gay!
Posted by: Robert McClelland at July 30, 2005 06:32 PM (rGez2)
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Walk the ground there and you can sense it. Imagine the siege as they dig, move dirt, and pack the mineshaft with explosives. Yeah I know it was a minor skirmish in the grand scheme of things, but when you feel that earth beneath you feet, you can sense the awe of those Americans who fought each other so passionately. And for each it was never a minor thing, it was personal.
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Meade also denied Burnside & Pleasants the proper equipment to do the job.
There's a fairly good novel about the episode; the title escapes me at the moment.
Posted by: David Foster at July 30, 2005 08:03 PM (7TmYw)
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The Battle of Petersburg (including the Crater) is included in the Shaara novel "The Last Full Measure", the third of a 3-book father/son set. The other two books (Gods and Generals/The Killer Angles) have been made into movies (Gods and Generals/Gettysburg).
The amazing thing about the Crater is that race played a role in the battle. No one is sure why, but Grant refused to allow the African-american division that was selected and trained for the mission to execute it. One theory is that Meade didn't trust the ability of the colored soldiers and Grant didn't want to countermand Meade, and another is that Grant was afraid it would look like Ferrero's division was being used as cannon fodder if the plan failed. Thus, Gen. Burnside used the drawing of lots to determine who would lead the charge, settling on a division commanded by a drunkard. Lots of "lessons learned" in that battle.
Posted by: James at July 30, 2005 08:39 PM (blfs0)
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Can never forget that battle in high school due to my teacher's one-liner during the lesson he gave on it:
"(It) was like shooting Cherrio's in a cereal bowl."
The scary thing is, iirc, I don't think that was the only example of tunneling through and using explosives underground in the Civil War. It just happened to be the most spectacular.
Movie recommendation: Ang Lee's "Ride with the Devil". The CW was only the backdrop to the story, but it was still, imho, a really underrated movie.
Movie de-recommendation: Gettysburg. Heavily based on Michael Shaara's Book "The Killer Angels". Gotta disagree with IMDB's rating here. How a movie can get the details 100% correct and still miss the spirit of both the topic and the specific book is way beyond me. It's not that it was bad, it was just... well...
not good. Felt like it was merely going through the motions of the story. But, I have to admit, it reflected "The Killer Angels" accurately, down to much of the dialogue.
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Jeopardy With annika, Round 16
The category is "Profanity," for $200. Victor is in the lead with $1100, Casca has $900, Phil has $500, Skippy has $400, Jasen has $300, D-Rod has $200, and Ken has $200. Neither of the two Daily Doubles has been found yet.
Remember especially for this answer, in Jeopardy the judges can get quite picky about the exactitude of the correct response.
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DING!
What is "cocksucker"?
Posted by: Casca at July 30, 2005 08:50 AM (qBTBH)
Posted by: annika trebek at July 30, 2005 08:55 AM (Gag6X)
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You'd think that would be easily Googlable, but apparently not.
"GRONK"
What is cunt licker
Posted by: wayne at July 30, 2005 10:26 AM (dRkG5)
Posted by: skippystalin at July 30, 2005 10:36 AM (ruCNe)
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to each her own....
if that is a clue.
what is masturbate?
i.e., jack-off
Posted by: louielouie at July 30, 2005 10:38 AM (xKfMm)
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Bzzzzzz
What is gurgle cum?
Posted by: Robbie at July 30, 2005 11:17 AM (htx4h)
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(WHANG) What is assfuck?
Posted by: Kyle at July 30, 2005 01:47 PM (H5KE9)
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DING!
What is Stalk and Shag Professional Athletes?
Posted by: Mark at July 30, 2005 02:16 PM (Vg0tt)
Posted by: gcotharn at July 30, 2005 02:28 PM (Rhyyb)
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Kyle nails it! You have the board.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 30, 2005 08:11 PM (1RSSi)
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people Annika would like to meet for 200 please
Posted by: Kyle at July 31, 2005 06:15 AM (H5KE9)
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FYI... the "ken" who chose profanity wasn't me. Bogarting my name ain't cool whoever you are.
Posted by: ken at July 31, 2005 08:07 PM (04tdR)
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July 29, 2005
Jeopardy With annika, Round 15
The category is "Military History," for $200. Victor is in the lead with $1100, Casca has $900, Phil has $500, Skippy has $400, Jasen has $300, and D-Rod has $200.
You will note that since i am so nice, i haven't been penalizing anybody for wrong guesses as they do in the real Jeopardy. There are also two hidden Daily Doubles left, so get in the game if you haven't already.
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BRONK (sorry, my buzzer's been eating beans)
What is:
"That fought with us upon Saint Crispin's day" [at the Battle of Agincourt]
Posted by: ken at July 29, 2005 04:08 PM (xD5ND)
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the judges have ruled. the answer we were looking for was "Agincourt" or "the battle of Agincourt." So Yay Ken! You have control.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 29, 2005 05:07 PM (rsxEj)
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Profanity for 200 please.
Posted by: ken at July 29, 2005 05:26 PM (qBTBH)
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Profanity! Jeopardy answer:
This seven-letter French noun beginning with "p" is a slang term for the clitoris!
Et oui.
Kevin
PS: A, your comments function never remembers my personal info! What giveth?
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 30, 2005 03:10 AM (TDwc6)
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Ding< What is Poonani ?
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Posted by: Monty at July 30, 2005 04:51 AM (F1GGc)
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Sheesh, it's "Poontang".
Posted by: Casca at July 30, 2005 06:58 AM (qBTBH)
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Yah it never remembers my personal info either.
it's not a problem though. it's an
opportunity, to practice my typing skills.
Posted by: annika at July 30, 2005 07:49 AM (Gag6X)
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ding
*What is the Playboy Mansion?*
Am I too late?
Posted by: gcotharn at July 30, 2005 08:10 AM (Rhyyb)
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DING!
What is pee pee?
Posted by: Mark at July 30, 2005 02:17 PM (Vg0tt)
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It's "la PRALINE."
Mmmm... yummy.
(Or in Europe: ...yummi?)
Kevin
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Funny Cuz It's True
Check
this out. lol
!a natural reaction to the self induced and largely imaginary pressures of blogging . . . an undertaking which was totally voluntary and which does not directly contribute to his or her continued survival, on this, our planet earth.
Via
Dawn.
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Posted by: 420 at July 29, 2005 10:50 AM (7z8ua)
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Who said its not a vital function?
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July 28, 2005
Jeopardy With annika, Round 14
The category is "Military History," for $300. It's another video clue, and i hope it's difficulty will make up for the other relatively easy clues in this category. Can i help it if you people are so smart?
Update: Now that there has been a correct response, i can show you the front of the mug. Click here.
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*sound of bombs bursting in...the ground*
What is a B-17?
Posted by: Victor at July 28, 2005 07:40 PM (IBRcA)
Posted by: annika trebek at July 28, 2005 08:03 PM (GcTxN)
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What is the B-1 Bomber?
Posted by: el Seco at July 28, 2005 08:13 PM (TYX67)
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eeeeh, you forgot to buzz in, but no.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 28, 2005 08:21 PM (GcTxN)
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Ding!
What is the Ford Tri-motor?
Posted by: Casca at July 28, 2005 08:24 PM (qBTBH)
Posted by: annika trebek at July 28, 2005 08:31 PM (GcTxN)
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Buzzzzzzz:
What was the Curtiss P-40?
Posted by: Andy at July 28, 2005 08:40 PM (l04c2)
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Oh so now we get critiqued eh? No whackier than the questions.
Posted by: Casca at July 28, 2005 08:42 PM (qBTBH)
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Ding Dong!
What is the SR71?
Posted by: Casca at July 28, 2005 08:43 PM (qBTBH)
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Ding!
What is the P-38?
Posted by: d-rod at July 28, 2005 09:03 PM (6mrbI)
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casca you don't get two guesses.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 28, 2005 10:40 PM (EMEIr)
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Bzzz! What is the Spruce Goose?
Posted by: Score Bard at July 28, 2005 11:09 PM (IZAv6)
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(forces buzzer out of anus, turtle-head style)
What is the B-52?
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 28, 2005 11:19 PM (TDwc6)
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>CLANG< (hitting buzzer to hard)
What is the Corsair?
Posted by: Kyle at July 29, 2005 03:00 AM (7Re84)
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Bzzzzz
What is the Constellation?
Posted by: shelly at July 29, 2005 05:41 AM (pO1tP)
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BZZZZ
"what is the Martin B-10?"
Posted by: Robbie at July 29, 2005 06:31 AM (lbWbV)
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Ding ding
What was the P-3 Orion?
Posted by: Mark at July 29, 2005 06:45 AM (yTuVc)
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It's gotta be the P-3.
The P-3 was originally built by Lockheed Martin (located in Burbank) in 1959 (which would have made Annie's granny about 30ish-years old).
Plus the +3 sounds like a P-3 to me.
Posted by: Robbie at July 29, 2005 07:56 AM (lbWbV)
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DING---What's the SR-71 Blackbird. Mach 3++++
Thanks Casca
Posted by: Jasen at July 29, 2005 08:46 AM (5lTX4)
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That's what I get for being late to the party. D'oh. The one category in which I might have a chance.
Posted by: Trevor at July 29, 2005 09:19 AM (RwZxT)
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Jasen is correctimundo! Pick a category.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 29, 2005 09:20 AM (zAOEU)
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If anyone's interested, Skunkworks, by Ben R. Rich and Leo Janos, is a great book about it's namesake. I actually liked it better than Kelly Johnson's autobiography, if just because Skunkworks deals with more of the technical aspects of the work done there.
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Yes, my grandma, God bless her, worked at the skunkworks in Burbank. i never realized the significance of that when i was little, she had retired before i was born i think. but i always remembered her drinking coffee out of that cup. It was the only cup she ever used. Now it's one of my most prized possessions.
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Hold onto it. I've worked at Pratt & Whitney since I got out of college. It was until after a few years that I found out from my great aunt that I had several family memebrs who worked here during the war. She showed me a picture, but after her death, I wasn't able to find it. Man, I wish I had that photo.
Posted by: Trevor at July 29, 2005 10:15 AM (RwZxT)
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-Let's close the category for 200 please.
-I'd also recommend Rich's book, to anyone interested in such things.
Posted by: Jasen at July 29, 2005 10:57 AM (CnJlv)
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July 27, 2005
Over There
If you, like me, were impressed by tonight's premier of FX's
Over There, there's one thing we should both remember. Forty Americans died and 426 were wounded, most of them seriously, in the real life "over there" this month. Actors get paid big bucks and go on talk shows when their work day is through. While those who have volunteered to protect you and me in Iraq and Afghanistan don't get that kind of fame or money, but their sacrifices are real.
i hope the show stays centered on the American experience. i was happy to see that they did not try, at least in tonight's episode, to put a human face on the enemy or tell "their side." Let Ted Koppel and his buddies at Al Jazeera do that; there's enough relativism in the media as it is. i also did not detect any overt political messages, either right or left.
i imagine some observers might be upset that not every character was Tom Hanks. i don't mind that kind of realism in war movies. As a war movie fan, i like the Adam Baldwins and Nick Noltes the best. These are the complex characters who may seem like assholes with less than honorable motivations, but they get shit done. i bet there are lots of them in real life and thank God for it.
i'm also not bothered by Over There's portrayal of soldiers complaining about the Army. i'm not a veteran -- and i know that many of my visitors are, so correct me if i'm wrong -- but soldiers always gripe about the military. And there's always some incompetence and poor decision-making in any organization. Hell, does everything run smoothly at your job? It doesn't at my job, that's for sure. People who point to mistakes made in wartime as a reason to surrender are simply people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
So overall, i thought tonight's episode was pretty good, and i would say that if the rest of the series follows the same tone it should help our war effort. Which is more than i can say about anything else i see on tv that's war related.
[cross-posted at A Western Heart]
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* If you're interested, you can read about the latest disgusting media attempt to demonize an American soldier here. Also, you might be interested to know that a soldier who used a dog to frighten some detainees might spend more time in jail than the convicted LAX Millenium bomber.
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Judge Coughenour needs to be impeached for arrogance.
Lyunddie England faces 11 to 16 for showing her tits and this asshole tries to blow up LAX and gets a slap on the wrist and a lecture on Civics.
Better keep this from Leahy and Kennedy; they'll be recommending him to the President for the Supreme Court next.
Posted by: shelly at July 28, 2005 12:29 AM (pO1tP)
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Bochco is not the usual hollywood leftie, so they will probably keep it honest. BUT! will they be able to resist turning it into a psychological, existentialist, weepy anti-war piece of crap ala
"The thin red Line"?
I don't think they can resist.
Posted by: Kyle at July 28, 2005 03:50 AM (7Re84)
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When I heard the M-bomber's sentence, I couldn't believe it. Plus, WTF, it takes five years to bring him to "justice"? All these fuckers need to be tried in military tribunals. The courts are incompetent to handle this.
"War Stories", how does one communicate that which the uninitiated can't understand? The thing they never get is the boredom, and discomfort. Nobody wants to watch that, and nobody wants to experience it.
Posted by: Casca at July 28, 2005 07:15 AM (Qlvb9)
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annika, I'm not a veteran either, but I suspect bitching about your job is pretty much universal
Posted by: Victor at July 28, 2005 07:30 AM (L3qPK)
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You see, Thin Red Line is my favorite war movie. i don't think of it as an anti-war movie at all. i don't understand that criticism. i know Hugh Hewitt hates that movie too. But i think its only anti-war in the sense that all war is horror, not that we are wrong to fight, like in an Oliver Stone movie.
Posted by: annika at July 28, 2005 07:58 AM (re5Ya)
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Annie, if "The Thin Red Line" is your favorite war movie, you need to go rent some really good ones, like any John Wayne movie, "In Harm's Way", or "Sands of Iwo Jima" or any of another dozen or two.
No worrying about political correctness or depicting the enemy without hurting his feelings.
Just good old fashioned heroism and glorification of the American fighting man (no fighting women were there, except as nurses and WAC's, etc., but so what).
"Over*There" brings some reality current, as it shows the grit of the women, and that works better for us these days, but things have changed in "This Man's Army". I predict this show will have long legs.
Then tell me about The Thin Red Line. Ugh.
Posted by: shelly at July 28, 2005 08:30 AM (pO1tP)
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Sorry, kid, but I'm going to have to disagree a bit with your characterization of the Salon story. It might not be easy to read, it might raise some issues, but it's not a "disgusting media attempt to demonize an American soldier." It's a reporter a) doing his job and b) looking for his friend's killer. Should this sort of thing be printed DURING wartime? Should the soldier have talked to the reporter? Should the reporter have offered full disclosure that the victim was a friend of his? Tough questions. I'm sure the young man regrets his actions and will now probably regret talking to the reporter. Yes, the reporter had an agenda, but he did seem to try to paint a sympathetic portrait of the soldier and clearly stated that the "rules of engagement" had been followed.
Of course, from a legal point of view, it would be interesting to see if this reporter would go to jail to protect his source in the case of an investigation.
Posted by: ken at July 28, 2005 08:36 AM (xD5ND)
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I'm not sure The Thin Red Line is my favorite war movie, but I did like it a lot for the same reasons as Annika. It's not like it portrayed the Japanese as heroes, it just pointed out that war is hell and is fought imperfectly even when the reasons are right.
Ken, re: the E&P story (I'm not signing up for salon to read the original.) I thought it was relatively fair until the last paragraph, and that changed my entire perspective of it. When the writer tries to stick that last sentence in there about the soldier's feelings of guilt it seemed more like an attempt to project the author's feelings onto the soldier, not a legitimate attempt at reporting. Seeing how the entire paragraph is a quote from the Salon article there would have to be a good amount of information supporting the soldier to make me think it was doing anything but trying to demonize him.
Posted by: Trevor at July 28, 2005 09:43 AM (RwZxT)
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I experienced some of Casca's boredom and discomfort just trying to sit through "The Thin Red Line." Normally, I might make a mental note to rewatch a movie to see what the hell Annika's talking about. But that movie is so boring, I would rather stick needles ...etc.
Re: "Over There"
This is Bochco and Hollywood legitimately trying to be fair about the war experience. IMO, of course, they fail miserably - but at least they're trying, and that's something. I agree that, overall, this show might be a net positive in the "Struggle Against Extremism". Might. We'll see.
My biggest complaint:
Bochco portrays what soldiers' attitudes might be like if the soldiers had been DRAFTED and sent to Iraq. We have an all VOLUNTEER military.
Granted, there's always a significant amount of bitching, pissed off, and confused people in any such situation. But, to a far greater degree than was portrayed by Bochco, our VOLUNTEER military know why they are there, and believe in what they are fighting for.
Also, to a far greater degree than was portrayed by Bochco, our military can SEE why they are there, through interaction with and observation of the Iraqi people and the Iraqi nation.
The military tactics portrayed were beyond parody. One thing especially pissed me off, because this mistake should not have been made be the rankest amateur:
Americans do not spray barely discriminate gunfire from M-16s. Americans shoot two-shot groupings at a target. That's how you can tell Americans are in a fight: you hear the two-shot groupings being fired off.
Being from Texas, I had to laugh at this unconscious parody of Hollywood typecasting - which also comprised a writer or producers' obscene gesture at all things Texan:
The one soldier who knew damn well why he was there, and believed in the cause, and loved being in the Army, was from Texas. Bochco literally blasted that guy's buttocks off, and then showed his blasted off and hanging by a flap of skin buttocks on the screen. This is Bochco's F you to GW Bush, and his F you to every conservative Texan. I take it a bit personally, like a black guy watching another big-hat pimp show up on a cop show. So, F you Bochco. Right back atcha, you dumb-ass poseur. At least you opened with the Texas guy displaying tremendous virility. You got that part right.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 28, 2005 10:45 AM (OxYc+)
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interesting points, gcotharn. Since i don't have any experience in these things, i'm always hesitant to spout off about squad level tactics, with so many experts in the blogosphere. But i did find that one scene where the sgt says, lay down some cover fire until morning, or something like that, kind of weird. and i thought the new M-16s were limited to only 2 or 3 shot bursts and weren't fully automatic anymore. Also, regarding the morale portrayal, i'm not sure i agree that the characters were acting like draftees, not volunteers. But i would have found it more realistic if when the terrorist's body got blown up and his legs kept walking before falling down, some of the soldiers had let out a whoop or some sort of bravado yell. Thats what kids in an intense situation would do. Standing and staring in awed silence is what Hollywood writers would do.
Posted by: annie at July 28, 2005 01:38 PM (zAOEU)
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For a great many reasons I thought Thin Red Line was simply one of the worse movies I have ever seen, and ALL of my friends agreed with me. But, If you liked it, then you might like this show because the first episode had a lot of the same feeling to it. Plenty of angst and shithouse philosophy.
Posted by: Kyle at July 28, 2005 02:51 PM (7Re84)
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Annika,
If you want to see the comments of a bunch of veterans, go see Blackfive's post on it (at blackfive.net)
Posted by: JJR at July 28, 2005 03:31 PM (HxEi3)
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"weepy anti-war piece of crap"
Kyle, I don't know about you or what you have done, but the veterans I have spoken to come back from war distinctly anti-war. It is the men in power that have never been or seen who try to glorify the event. You do realise that you are not unique, kindred-spirits exist/ed in iraq, China, Japan, Germany, North Korea, who think that war is the way to get what they want. They don't think or don't know about the fucking raw horror of it all, perhaps Thin Red Line and its like are a very small step in this educational process?
Posted by: Ivan at July 28, 2005 05:30 PM (GpcqB)
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You know Anni, your site is like a really good cocktail party. Lots of smart interesting people, and always one fucktard to be a spectacle. I'll bet that Ivan gets his ass beat before he makes it to the door.
Posted by: Casca at July 28, 2005 08:35 PM (qBTBH)
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Ivan, I have a very realistic view of warfare, but being "Anti-war" is the surest way to get your ass into a war. Why dont you pick up a history book? Antiwar movements have historicaly led to weakening democratic governments and strengthing agressors.
Posted by: Kyle at July 29, 2005 03:04 AM (7Re84)
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Hey Kyle:
Ever hear of Neville Chamberlin? He had nothing on Howard Dean.
The surest way to get your ass beat is to cower away from war.
As our leader has said, "We didn't start this war, but we will finish it at a time and a place decided by us".
You bet your sweet ass we will. For once, we are led by a man who means what he says.
If you think Bush is wrong, maybe you need to find a friendlier place to blog around.
Not much sympathy around here for that kind of a pacifist...
We all believe in peace, just our way to get there is different than the "Blame America First" bunch.
Enjoy your day; thank a G.I. today.
Posted by: shelly at July 29, 2005 05:50 AM (pO1tP)
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"I don't know about you or what you have done, but the veterans I have spoken to come back from war distinctly anti-war."
True, but most veterans aren't on the Left's bandwagon of military self-defeatism either.
Posted by: reagan80 at July 29, 2005 08:54 PM (ShYwz)
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Jeopika With annardy, Round 13
The category is "Fash-ism," for the big 500.
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Ding!
What are panties?
Posted by: Casca at July 27, 2005 06:03 PM (qBTBH)
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BANG!
What are studded neck collar and wrist restraints?
Posted by: d-rod at July 27, 2005 06:24 PM (KS19q)
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*buzzz*
What is a nose stud?
Posted by: Victor at July 27, 2005 06:30 PM (IBRcA)
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Ding
What is your super secret Vast right wing conspiracy decoder ring. I know I took mine off when I started law school!
Posted by: lawguy at July 27, 2005 08:08 PM (OL3mT)
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BUZZZZZ
What is "halter tops"?
Posted by: Robbie at July 27, 2005 08:51 PM (htx4h)
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ding ding ding
What is the "roach clip" cleverly disguised with feathers on the end to look neat in your hair. Easily purchased at most of the fine vendors who line Telegraph Ave.
Go Bears
Posted by: Paul at July 27, 2005 08:59 PM (5xAvb)
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boom!
what is an ankle bracelet!
what do i win?
duke sucks.
Posted by: nikita demosthenes at July 27, 2005 09:04 PM (Y3Wne)
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panties are an accessory???????
Posted by: louielouie at July 27, 2005 09:12 PM (xKfMm)
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wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
Posted by: annie trebek at July 27, 2005 09:21 PM (7iJmr)
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RRRRiiing, RRRRiiing:
What is a watch?
Posted by: shelly at July 28, 2005 12:21 AM (pO1tP)
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DING!
What is a normal social life?
Posted by: Mark at July 28, 2005 12:55 AM (i4KCE)
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(lapdances atop buzzer)
What is a penis?
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 28, 2005 01:26 AM (TDwc6)
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(let's off an 8 round volley formt he primary signaling device)
What is a belly button ring/stud?
(let's off yet another 8 round volley from his primary signalling device)
What is the "know what ya call 500 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?" charm bracelet?
(let's off yet another 8 rounder from the signalling device of choice)
No more guesses; I just like using my signaling device.
Posted by: Publicola at July 28, 2005 01:31 AM (zNUri)
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Dang. When will we be allowed a second try?
Posted by: Victor at July 28, 2005 02:16 AM (IBRcA)
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>Ding<
What is, a bow/ribbon in your hair? you silly girl.
>Ding<
What is, cut off jeans?
>Ding<
What is, a saftey pin in your lip?
Posted by: Kyle at July 28, 2005 03:47 AM (7Re84)
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WHat is a tongue stud (ring or whatever the peoper term is)?
Posted by: Phil at July 28, 2005 05:39 AM (HFzU8)
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Ding.
What is a Che Guevara T-shirt?
Posted by: DBrooks at July 28, 2005 06:36 AM (w6ScD)
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Ding!
What is a purse?
Posted by: Trevor at July 28, 2005 06:58 AM (RwZxT)
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BZZZZZZZ
"What is a sorority pin?"
(ducks behind podium to avoid getting hit by flying law book)
Posted by: Robbie at July 28, 2005 07:31 AM (lbWbV)
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good guesses. lol, kevin, penis is always the default answer whenever we play trivial pursuit and can't figure out the answer.
But Phil is correct, and has control of the board.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 28, 2005 08:02 AM (re5Ya)
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Annika, I'll take Military History for 300, please
Posted by: Phil at July 28, 2005 08:46 AM (HFzU8)
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Damn - I really thought the correct answer was your pointy toed erotica boots.
Posted by: d-rod at July 28, 2005 09:43 AM (xmskQ)
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More and more, I see I'm an old fuddy-duddy, because I'm glad that tongue-stud is gone.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 28, 2005 10:50 AM (OxYc+)
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Dammit, I keep showing too late to get any of these. I'm also kind of surprised you would have taken it out: I had several female law school classmates with tongue piercings, and Tulane's a relatively conservative school (well, I mean, it's in the South and not EVERYONE on the faculty is foaming-at-the-mouth lefty).
Posted by: Dave J at July 28, 2005 03:14 PM (8XpMm)
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at my school there's plenty of girls with tongue studs too. my roommate has one. but i don't see how you can expect to be taken seriously as a professional woman with one.
Posted by: annika at July 28, 2005 04:18 PM (zAOEU)
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anticipating the next question: what about my tat? well, i didn't think about that when i got it. But still, that can be covered up at work.
Posted by: annika at July 28, 2005 04:21 PM (zAOEU)
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Gotta admit, annika, at the law firm where I work, you don't see too many tatoos, nor piercings in places other than the earlobes, on any of the attorneys.
Posted by: Victor at July 28, 2005 05:34 PM (IBRcA)
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I have a tattoo that I can easily hide too.
My boss would have my head on a silver platter if I showed up to work in with a stud in my tongue though.
I'm loving these Jeopardy posts by the way!
Posted by: Amy Bo Bamy at July 28, 2005 05:53 PM (TcPdg)
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No tattoos or piercings, and I have black (not jet black) hair. I guess I'm boring.
Posted by: Mark at July 28, 2005 06:08 PM (Vg0tt)
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OK, just one question Annie:
Why would any attractive, educated woman feel the need to deface her natural beauty with a piercing of any kind, anywhere, other than the standard earring piercings?
What drives you guys? I could never understand it, or, for that matter, tattoos.
I guess I am old fashioned, but I feel that the female form is attractive enough (when cared for) to do the job on any man, without all the piercings and colorings.
Posted by: shelly at July 28, 2005 06:34 PM (M7kiy)
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Shelly,
You mean chunk of metal coming out of some chick's lip and eyebrow doesn't make your heart flutter? Ha.
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Wednesday Is Poetry Day: The Submarine
Well, i'm back from San Diego. i ate too much food and got too much sun, but it was beautiful. My dad served on a carrier years ago, and we took a tour of the new
USS Midway museum, which was fascinating. Lots to see for fans of Naval aviation, especially Vietnam era stuff. i'll post some pictures later. During the tour, i found this painting on a bulkhead in the forecastle.
Here's a submarine poem by the 20th Century New Zealand poet Will Lawson.
The Submarine
The grey of OceanÂ’s denseness
Surrounds her like a veil;
In silent deepsÂ’ immenseness
No laughing seas give hail;
But round her, rudely riven,
The sullen waters feel
Her stout hull, engine-driven,
A thrilling thing of steel
That cleaves a pathway under
The breakers’ snarling lips—
That mocks the big gunsÂ’ thunder
And scorns the battle-ships.
She goes by deeps and shallows
Â’Neath blue Australian seas,
Where never sun enhaloes
A wandering ocean breeze;
Yet, at her steersmanÂ’s willing,
She lifts her stalk-like eye
To see the sunlight spilling
Its gold on sea and sky;
And, mirrored in fair colour,
The picture true is thrown
Where, in the sea-light duller,
Her spinning engines drone.
When, with her bearings taken,
She plunges deep again,
She is as one forsaken,
Beyond the world of men.
Yet living men tend truly
Her tanksÂ’ and air-valvesÂ’ flow,
And oil her engines duly,
For it was ordered so—
Aye, thoÂ’ beyond the borders
Of human worlds they be,
Their orders still are orders,
And what avails the sea?
Â’Neath bright electrics glowing
They reck not that outside,
In age-long course, is flowing
The grey-green under-tide.
By periscope and needle
And pressure gauge they steer;
For who with steel can wheedle
As does the engineer,
In whose quick brain is hidden
The secrets of the stars—
Who on the storms has ridden,
And hurled the thunder-cars?
He hears the steady murmur
Of engines in the gloom.
Could deck or floor be firmer
Than his deep engine-room?
And he whose touch the rudders
Respond to like a child,
Calm, when she turns and shudders,
With silent mien and mild—
He makes new pathways under
The breakersÂ’ snarling lips;
He mocks the big gunsÂ’ thunder
And scorns the battle-ships.
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wow, you always come up with cool and/or neat stuff. haven't visited your blog in a few, but evertime i do, you have something new and interesting. keep up the great work!! (somebody notices)
Posted by: walter at July 27, 2005 12:15 PM (5KnIk)
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I THOUGHT that I'd caught your scent on the wind.
Posted by: Casca at July 27, 2005 03:34 PM (qBTBH)
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I'm not too much into poetry, but I have a few favorites,
There was an old hermit named Nick...
Posted by: Kyle at July 27, 2005 03:50 PM (7Re84)
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July 26, 2005
Useless Demi-Blogging
When did the accent switch from the first syllable to the second?
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Sheeesh, musta been ten years ago, you know... when she proved that girls could be Navy SEALs too.
Posted by: Casca at July 27, 2005 05:35 AM (qBTBH)
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I may be wrong on this one, but I think a female seal is referred to as a "cow".
Draw your own conclusions...
Posted by: shelly at July 27, 2005 05:44 AM (pO1tP)
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On a similar note, Shelly, your comment reminds me of why it's called "PMS."
Posted by: Victor at July 27, 2005 07:44 AM (L3qPK)
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Jeopardy With annika, Round 12
The category is "People annika Would Like To Meat," for 300.
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*buzzz*
Who is Alex Rodriguez?
Hope I didn't misspell that...
Posted by: Victor at July 27, 2005 02:16 AM (IBRcA)
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(brings buzzer to orgasm)
Who is up-and-coming Chinese baseballer Lik Bik Dik?
No?? How about--
Sok Mai Kok?
Wan Tu Phuoc? (OK, he's Vietnamese)
Yee Ting Dog? (maybe Korean)
Man Ahn Man?
Mei Ker Sing?
Mei Ker Buk?
Mei Ker Kom?
Bik Pu Sshi?
Lim Pi Ni?
Yu Wu Man?
Shi Shiao Ting?
Lik Du Du?
O Mai Dong?
Hae Ri Man? (another Korean, obviously)
Phuoc Mai Ho? (don't know how
he snuck in there, the VC bastard)
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 27, 2005 03:14 AM (TDwc6)
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Buzzzzz:
Who is Mark McGuire?
Posted by: shelly at July 27, 2005 04:58 AM (pO1tP)
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Ding!
Who is Barry Bonds?
Posted by: Casca at July 27, 2005 05:25 AM (qBTBH)
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BZZZZZZ:
Who is Derek Jeter?
Even though I hate the Yankees with a passion...
Rob
PS: My girlfriend once made him a cup of coffee at Starbucks here in NJ...while he was injured and playing for the farm team in Trenton...she bragged about it for a week. I was in total disgust and told her she should have spit in it.
Posted by: Rob at July 27, 2005 06:25 AM (bEjbj)
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zzzzzzz,,,,
Who is Jason Giambi?
(Phuoc Mai A-Rod had I pulled an all-nighter with my hands glued to the device).
Posted by: d-rod at July 27, 2005 06:41 AM (W/Y6V)
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An all-nighter spent reading annika's journal might be time well spent. Or not.
Victor is correct, and now has $1100. Not real money of course. And control of the board.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 27, 2005 07:23 AM (7xl+L)
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Gotta start cramming in points now before I leave for the beach on Saturday. Dammit, the entire US should have Free WiFi!
I'll take Fash-ism for 500, please.
Posted by: Victor at July 27, 2005 07:42 AM (L3qPK)
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Victor needs a job and a life.
Posted by: Casca at July 27, 2005 03:36 PM (qBTBH)
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annika, care to look at your logs and tell Casca what time I answered that question?
Posted by: Victor at July 27, 2005 03:51 PM (IBRcA)
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4:16 am Eastern. Rat feeding time.
Posted by: annika at July 27, 2005 04:13 PM (lPlaR)
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Nah, they get fed at night.
Posted by: Victor at July 27, 2005 06:36 PM (IBRcA)
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My first guess was "John Rocker."
Posted by: Mark at July 29, 2005 02:06 PM (Vg0tt)
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Condoms And The Beaver
This is hilarious. Via
The Cotillion.
By the way, this week's hostesses for the Ball are: Sadie (warning: femme fatale alert), Beth (warning: sticky fingers alert), Claire (warning: shoe fetish alert), and Denita (warning: Sweet lyrics alert)
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July 22, 2005
Mid-Summer Vacation
i'm taking a short mid-summer vacation with my family, into the land of all-you-can-eat buffets. i'll be back Tuesday night!
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U BITCH!!!
What are we supposed to do until then?
Fuck it, I'm going to Yosemite.
Mua, have fun.
Posted by: Casca at July 22, 2005 05:28 PM (qBTBH)
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DING!!!!
What is Vegas?
Posted by: Casca at July 22, 2005 05:29 PM (qBTBH)
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Technically, all you can eat buffets are not geographically limited.
And just because a buffet is in Southern Nevada doesn't mean it's good. A year or so ago we were passing through Laughlin with a foreign exchange student, and I thought it would be a good idea to show her a Nevada casino buffet. I figured I'd go to the buffet at Don Laughlin's resort - I mean, the danged town was named after him, so it had to be good. Wrong-o, Ontario; the worst buffet I had ever visited. Proceed with caution. I'd be better off eating tiger food.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at July 22, 2005 11:49 PM (sjjQ2)
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What will we READ until Tuesday?!
Posted by: Mark at July 23, 2005 08:32 PM (haZw+)
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Well, you info starved babies, if you live in LA, you could read LA Observed or Mayor Sam, or even Joe Scott.
Check with google for actual sites.
All have some entertainment and news value, but frankly, none have the wit and national political insights of a cute second year law student. Which is why we all stay reading this blog, despite the occasional deviations to ladies shoes, American Skankwoman, etc.
OK, Annie, mark me down as a big fan.
Posted by: shelly at July 24, 2005 02:09 AM (pO1tP)
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Shelly, you may be bordering on stalker :~)
Posted by: Victor at July 24, 2005 06:17 AM (IBRcA)
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shelly, have a problem with ladies footwear?
hmmmmm
Posted by: louielouie at July 24, 2005 11:30 AM (xKfMm)
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OK, If you put on some pounds at the all-u-can eats,
I want to see another picture of your ass.
In the last one you were looking a bit scrawny.
/oh hell, show us a pic of your ass anyway.
Posted by: Kyle at July 25, 2005 03:00 PM (7Re84)
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Kyle is correct. We need to have a better look at this potentially misdiagnosed ass-bite.
Posted by: d-rod at July 25, 2005 10:00 PM (K4NWG)
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You guys need to get a life.
Annie will be back tomorrow and she is going to bitch slap the lot of you.
Go take a cold shower and await your fate.
Posted by: shelly at July 25, 2005 11:19 PM (pO1tP)
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Shelly, I take it back. The *other* guys ("other guys" being "not me and you") are the stalkers.
Posted by: Victor at July 26, 2005 07:37 AM (L3qPK)
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There's a club that I'll avoid.
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A Pet Peeve
i have a minor pet peeve. Ever since this War on Terror started, i've heard the same stupid phrase over and over:
"If we _______, the terrorists have won."
When the terrorists win, they will pack up their suicide belts and their scimitars and stop killing people. Until then, they will not have won.
My point is that if we were to "give in to fear," for instance, the terrorists wouldn't consider it a victory because, contrary to what the government and the media want us to believe, they don't give a crap if we're afraid or not. They want us all to either convert, redraw every map to 14th Century borders, or die. So unless you fill in the blank with one of those three things, the statement will invariably be incorrect.
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my pet peeve, since the war on terror began, is the stupid phrase:
"If we do _______, we will be just like the terrorists."
we will never be just like "them".
who are "them"?
yes.
i'll not bore you with the history lesson.
we have our words in our history.
antitum.
gettysburg.
how many high schools in atlanta, ga. are named william tecumseh sherman?
were the beaches at normandy or iwo jima pleasant?
no.
we do not have words like bataan.
don't give me that gitmo crap. they should have been thrown out the back of the plane on the way there.
we do have words like dresden, hiroshima, and nagaski. we knew full well that the way home was through berlin and tokyo. that is why we gave as good or better than we got. we did it for one reason, to go/get home; and when we came home we had and have the nightmares.
but we will never be like "them".
theirs' is a death ethos.
i hope we choose life.
Posted by: louielouie at July 22, 2005 06:27 PM (xKfMm)
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Just for "fun," let's enter that alternative universe where Al Qaeda successfully converts the entire world (even Turkey) to their "special" brand of Islam, and I grow a long beard, and Annika wears a veil. What would Al Qaeda do then? Do they believe that the world would then become some type of utopia?
The one thing that could help us battle Al Qaeda is their current decentralized structure. Let's say that the Birmingham, England branch of Al Qaeda attacks a croissant shop, and the Lyon, France branch of Al Qaeda takes offense at this. Then all the little Al Qaedas would start fighting each other, and they wouldn't have any time to bomb subways or tourist attractions.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at July 22, 2005 11:53 PM (sjjQ2)
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If we stop drinking Scotch, the terrorists win.
Posted by: Kyle at July 23, 2005 03:45 AM (7Re84)
Posted by: MarkD at July 23, 2005 08:25 AM (nQAo8)
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If she will not let me hit it, the terrorists will have won.
Posted by: Mark at July 23, 2005 08:33 PM (haZw+)
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Hear Hear! I've also had that same pet peeve. Glad you posted it.
Posted by: Housewife at July 24, 2005 08:54 PM (c6KJC)
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That phrase only makes sense in a classic guerilla war, where the government's bloddy overreactions drive uncomitted fence-sitters into the guerillas camp. Here, it's truly us versus them. No one wants what they want to happen to the US to actually happen here. At most, they and their leftist enableres want us to leave the middle east. But as for the bag searches, civil liberties invasions, etc., if those things prevent terrorism WE WIN. They could care less about whether this inconveniences or annoys us, other than to the extent it makes us want to do their foreign policy bidding. Since it has little effect on that, we WIN insofar as we become tougher and prevent terrorism.
Posted by: Roach at July 25, 2005 08:55 AM (MRlvg)
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Why do you think that's what the terrorists want? Do you think their methods are consistent with the goal you ascribe to them?
Posted by: Preston at July 25, 2005 09:33 AM (wkfsI)
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Ontario: Yes, that's exactly what they believe. Worldwide Islamic rule under a new Caliph, fulfilling Allah's wishes, and all that rot.
Me, I say, "if we lose, then the terrorists win!"
Posted by: Sigivald at July 26, 2005 02:43 PM (4JnZM)
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Jeopardy With annika, Round 11
Casca has $900 so far. Victor has $800 and Skippystalin has $400. The category is "Places That Suck," for 200.
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Ermmmm,
What is Los Angeles?
Posted by: skippystalin at July 22, 2005 07:52 AM (ruCNe)
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*buzzz*
What is Paris, France?
BTW, I count me in second--Casca has 900.
Posted by: Victor at July 22, 2005 08:20 AM (L3qPK)
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(beep beep)
What is Sacramento?
Posted by: d-rod at July 22, 2005 09:06 AM (xmskQ)
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Where the 405 meets the 101?
Posted by: Wayne at July 22, 2005 09:07 AM (7I7f5)
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Yeah Wayne, I got stuck in that shit for an hour Saturday night at ten pm, and then went north (or was it west?)ending up in fucking Encino instead of Toluca Lake!
Posted by: d-rod at July 22, 2005 09:12 AM (xmskQ)
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/dialing friends phone, which is set on vibrate/
vvvvvvvvvv... vvvvvvvvv... aughhhhh!
What is Boston?
Posted by: Trevor at July 22, 2005 09:55 AM (RwZxT)
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*BZZZZZZZZZZ*
"What is dowtown Lima, Peru?"
Seriously, jammed packed, narrow streets, no traffic lights, and no traffic signs. Right of way is determined by blaring your horn through the intersections...
Posted by: Robbie at July 22, 2005 10:25 AM (lbWbV)
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Dang, Trevor, forgot about Beantown. I remember sitting in a bar for thirty minutes, watching a car move about ten feet that whole time, during PM rush hour.
But I'm not sure annika has been there.
Posted by: Victor at July 22, 2005 10:28 AM (L3qPK)
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What is San Francisco?
I was going to pick LA - got stuck forever on the 5 between downtown and the 91 - but that was already taken.
Posted by: Tony at July 22, 2005 10:56 AM (tjFjH)
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D-Rod is correct. The worst traffic jam i've been (that didn't involve some sort of major accident or mishap, just normal traffic) was in Honolulu. But Sacramento has consisntently bad traffic. it's like the perfect storm for traffic. Sudden population growth, poor city planning, incompetent city government, two rivers that create bottlenecks, narrow freeways and bad drivers all contribute. There are no alternate routes. In the bay area, there's great public transportation, and in LA, they at least make an effort to alleviate traffic, plus there's lots of hidden alternate routes. i haven't driven in Boston or any of the other big east coast cities. i tried driving in NYC once, that was an experience i don't want to try again.
Anyways, D-Rod has control of the board.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 22, 2005 11:21 AM (zAOEU)
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I'll take "people annika would like to meat" for three, please.
Posted by: d-rod at July 22, 2005 11:26 AM (xmskQ)
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I'm officially protesting this charade of a game, you either gotta know Annika or be a long-time (like to the inception) reader of this blog....
This is some bullshit, man.
Posted by: Jason O. at July 22, 2005 12:35 PM (2CAKL)
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Can I change the category "People annika Would Like to Meet" to "Crying Crybabies and the big fat Crybabies who Cry like Babies"?
Posted by: Victor at July 22, 2005 01:00 PM (L3qPK)
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Jason, you don't have to be a long time reader to know that i hate Sacramento. You just have to have been to Sacramento.
Posted by: annika at July 22, 2005 02:16 PM (PkUsP)
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Anyone who has been to Rome knows the traffic there is nightmarish.
Posted by: Mark at July 23, 2005 08:36 PM (haZw+)
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DC traffic sucks too...
Posted by: nikita demosthenes at July 23, 2005 11:28 PM (Y3Wne)
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What is Baghdad, Iraq? (The question doesn't say 'seen in person')
Posted by: James at July 24, 2005 02:19 AM (blfs0)
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What is San Francisco.
Worst.
Driving.
Ever.
Or Seattle, second worst, but more parking spaces.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at July 24, 2005 07:06 PM (jwvAO)
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July 21, 2005
Professor Schwyzer Endorses Judge Roberts
Hugo Schwyzer, who was once involved in Feminists for Life, has
some interesting thoughts on Judge Roberts and his wife.
While my pro-choice friends might be discomfited by Sullivan Roberts' close ties to a pro-life advocacy group, I'm heartened by it. It's not just that I am (prayerfully and awkwardly) pro-life; it's also that as a pro-feminist man, I know full well that Feminists for Life is a long way away from more traditional anti-abortion outfits like National Right to Life. Though I've criticised FFL in the past for being insufficiently concerned with issues other than abortion, there's no question that they've historically taken a more progressive stance than their conservative sisters on a variety of issues. FFL has historically been strongly anti-death penalty, for example. FFL is also listed as a member organization of the Consistent-Life Movement, which has as its mission statement:We are committed to the protection of life, which is threatened in today's world by war, the arms race, abortion, poverty, racism, capital punishment, and euthanasia. We believe that these issues are linked under a consistent ethic of life.
If Jane Sullivan Roberts is a card-carrying member of FFL, that means there's a better-than-sporting chance that she holds the Consistent Life Ethic position (an ethic rejected by most traditional conservatives, who don't see poverty and the arms race and the death penalty as being nearly as egregious as abortion). After all, if she didn't hold the Consistent Life Ethic, there are plenty of more conservative pro-life outfits out there to which she could lend her time and name and money! And if she held or still holds the Consistent Life Ethic position, is there not some hope that her husband shares her views?
A man who marries a brilliant woman who is his intellectual equal when both are in their forties, and happily adopts children with her, is no troglodyte. And a man married to a woman who is a proud member of a group that has 'Feminist' in its title may not be the disaster for women's rights that some liberals are predicting, nor the champion for the right that some conservatives are hoping.Ann Coulter doesn't like Judge Roberts. Hugh Hewitt, Joe Liberman and Hugo Schwyzer do.
To paraphrase Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid: Who is this guy?
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(drips man-tit sweat on buzzer)
What is, "a member of an advanced, telephatic alien species that looks like a cross between a Gorgon's head and Tommy Lee's dick"?
O, wait-- this wasn't a Jeopardy question, was it.
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 22, 2005 01:07 AM (TDwc6)
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All good questions. Indeed, perhaps the reason he was picked was because his views are not quite public domain. Yes, Coulter is against him due to the game of acting like 'true' conservatives aren't happy, thereby encouraging the great unaware masses to think "hey, he must be kinda moderate or sump'in". There isn't alot that can be thrown at him that would stick sufficiently to warrant a filibuster, and Bush gets his conservative court.
Posted by: will at July 22, 2005 05:27 AM (h7Ciu)
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some responses are so good that you have to post them on you own blog frist.
http://sandcastlesandcubicles.blogspot.com/2005/07/if-you-are-going-to-speculate-do-it.html
So what kinda of interviews do these potential supreme court nominees go though?
I would give them a lie detector test, truth serum and a lie detector test, and I would also have them interviewed by the telepathic CIA spooks that we know they have.
If I was president there would be no possible way I would NOT know what I was getting. I find it hard to believe in this day and age that Bush MIGHT not know what type of person he is putting in power.
Posted by: cube at July 22, 2005 07:55 AM (nyNr0)
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putting a phrase like "the arms race" in a mission statement makes me wonder in what century is their focus.
Posted by: louielouie at July 22, 2005 08:39 AM (xKfMm)
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Thanks for the link, Annie; louie, I agree with you. We in the consistent-life movement sometimes develop a sentimental attachment to rhetoric that has passed its shelf life. Of course, that nostalgia can be found across much of the secular left as well.
Posted by: Hugo at July 22, 2005 02:17 PM (3FEoq)
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Jeopardy With annika, Round 10
The category is "Profanity," but it could also be called "dumb-ass actresses in dumb-ass movies." This one is for 500!
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I never saw the movie so I'll need to guess....
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
What is "Holy shit?"
Posted by: skippystalin at July 21, 2005 08:33 PM (ruCNe)
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BUZZ!
What is "Watch out for that tree?"
Posted by: Mark at July 21, 2005 08:38 PM (m22hj)
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nope, skippy
mark, that was from George of the Jungle i bet.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 21, 2005 08:48 PM (SLBbG)
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Hmmmmmmmm,
BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
What is "God dammit?"
Posted by: skippystalin at July 21, 2005 08:56 PM (ruCNe)
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Humming device sounds...
What is "Fuck me".
Religion for $100, please.
Posted by: d-rod at July 21, 2005 09:01 PM (M9nS4)
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hold on there cowboy number one: you can't get two guesses. haven't you ever watched the real jeopardy?
and hold on there cowboy number two: you can't pick a new category until you get the right response. you did not. Also, religion is not one of the categories, pardner.
Posted by: annika trebek at July 21, 2005 09:13 PM (SLBbG)
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I think it was "Oh shit."
Posted by: Jimbino at July 21, 2005 10:05 PM (24Cwo)
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What is, "Oooooooohhhh Wayne!"?
Posted by: Wayne at July 21, 2005 11:08 PM (7I7f5)
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You thought the Potsdam question was too easy? Then you throw out the lame Churchill question? Shouldn't have been worth 100, but what the hell everyone's a critic.
Ding!
What is "fuck me in the ass with a telephone pole?"
Posted by: Casca at July 22, 2005 12:03 AM (qBTBH)
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(lovingly tongues buzzer)
What is, "Hermeneutical plasticity--"?
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at July 22, 2005 12:58 AM (TDwc6)
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*buzzzz*
What is "Oh fuck!"?
Posted by: Victor at July 22, 2005 05:09 AM (L3qPK)
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Victor!
Showin' me sumtin!
You have control of the board!
Posted by: annika trebeck at July 22, 2005 06:44 AM (MQk9W)
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I'll take "Places that Suck" for $200, please.
Posted by: Victor at July 22, 2005 06:59 AM (L3qPK)
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The Return Of Jeopardy With annika
The category is "Military History," for
400!
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BZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!
Who is Sir Winston Churchill?
Posted by: skippystalin at July 21, 2005 07:25 PM (ruCNe)
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haha! a new contestant. skippy is correct, and has control of the board!
Posted by: annika trebek at July 21, 2005 07:28 PM (SLBbG)
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I'll go with Profanity for 500, Annika. And may I say that you're really hot?
Posted by: skippystalin at July 21, 2005 07:49 PM (ruCNe)
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SS is just saying that because it's hot as bat-shit in Sacramento.
Posted by: Victor at July 22, 2005 05:14 AM (L3qPK)
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London Deja Vu
Good coverage over at
Anubis.
No casualties, thankfully.
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The whole thing is very odd. Amateurish copycats?
Posted by: Hugo at July 21, 2005 01:20 PM (Qst0d)
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I would certainly be freaked out, with two major events in two weeks.
(Off topic, but I requested your wisdom over at my blog today...)
Posted by: Sarah at July 21, 2005 01:36 PM (5JemA)
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Good coverage? That was GREAT coverage! Better than we got on the radio in Southern California. After trumpeting that they were going to cover Tony Blair live, KFI broadcast maybe two minutes of it. I switched to KNX, which broadcast maybe another minute or so. I figured I'd try KVCR, the San Bernardino NPR affiliate, but they were prattling on about something else.
It was good to see the UK and Australia participating in a joint conference. If nothing else, this reminds the world that this is not just a war against the US.
Posted by: Ontario Emperor at July 21, 2005 05:09 PM (bGyIu)
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