March 31, 2006
March 30, 2006
Prayer "Failure" Study Misses The Point
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recently concluded study on the power of prayer supposedly found no evidence that prayer had any effect on the recovery of 1800 heart patients.
In fact, the study found some of the patients who knew they were being prayed for did worse than others who were only told they might be prayed for -- though those who did the study said they could not explain why.
The patients in the study at six U.S. hospitals included 604 who were actually prayed for after being told they might or might not be; another 597 patients who were not prayed for after being told they might or might not be; and a group of 601 who were prayed for and told they would be the subject of such prayer.
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Among the first group -- who were prayed for but only told they might be -- 52 percent had post-surgical complications compared to 51 percent in the second group, the ones who were not prayed for though told they might be. In the third group, who knew they were being prayed for, 59 percent had complications.
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"Intercessory prayer itself had no effect on whether complications occurred (and) patients who were certain that intercessors would pray for them had a higher rate of complications than patients who were uncertain but did receive intercessory prayer," the study said.
I would caution against concluding from this study that prayer is ineffective. Such a conclusion misses a fundamental aspect of our relationship with God.
That is, simply put, God can say "no."
Just because someone does not get what they prayed for, does not mean that the prayer was not answered. It's an obvious point, but one that escapes a surprising number of people ― even many religious people.
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Posted by: Casca at March 30, 2006 11:02 PM (2gORp)
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Missing the obvious is one thing, designing a study based on missing the obvious is another. Were I a cynical man, I'd suggest that conclusion was "pre-ordained".
Posted by: Pursuit at March 31, 2006 12:06 AM (1GIg7)
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This BS 'study', like evolution studies and "The DaVinci Code" and such are all of the same stripe- attempts to disprove the existence of God. This is what liberals live for. For if you can disprove God's existence, then you can debunk divinely inspired moral codes such as The Ten Commandments and The Beatitudes. And once you've eliminated externally imposed moral codes, well, then there's no limit on human social behavior- pedophilia, bestiality, polyamory, etc.
I talk to people about religion, and once in a while someone will say "I don't believe in God" to which I reply, "He's gonna be pissed when He finds out."
Posted by: Barry at March 31, 2006 03:25 AM (kKjaJ)
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Annika, thanks for sharing. I totally agree and it's nice to get some confirmation that we agree on "higher" matters as well as politics.
Barry, I am SO gonna use that line!!
Posted by: Trint at March 31, 2006 07:08 AM (SlSdA)
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I don't believe God says "no." He does say one of three things, I think:
1. Yes
2. Yes, but not now.
3. I've got something better in mind.
Posted by: Hugo at March 31, 2006 10:02 AM (Yu24L)
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4. You talking to me? Get a life pal.
Posted by: strawman at March 31, 2006 10:35 AM (0ZdtC)
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Being scientists, I think it's safe to assume they haven't read the part of the Gospels where Satan tempted Jesus. Which means they missed the part about "thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God."
And, hello, just because they asked people to pray doesn't mean these are necessarily the people God's gonna be inclined to listen to! I know this doesn't "square" with some views of answering prayer, but all I know is, I have a friend who prays to St. Anthony for Really Important Things. And every single time, her prayer is answered "yes." Similarly, when my mom prays for me, life just works out better. I'm just sayin', who does the praying *might* make a difference.
Posted by: The Law Fairy at March 31, 2006 10:51 AM (XUsiG)
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Alternate interpretation:
The 59 percent with complications in the third group were the ones who were certain that they were being prayed for. Perhaps they put too much faith in the power of others' prayers.
The first two groups did better, and they were the ones who weren't certain if they were being prayed for. That uncertainty may have compelled them to add their own prayers to their recovery, which may have made allthe difference.
In other words, as ol' Ben said:
"The Lord helps those who help themselves."
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 31, 2006 01:05 PM (AQ6ZY)
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You seem like a very nice young lady.
But sometimes reality has a way of making our fantasies just that much harder to hang on to.
You believe what you want to believe, it hurts no one.
Posted by: Gryphen at March 31, 2006 01:05 PM (Fz6UC)
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One wonders how much of a "control" study can be done on this issue..as the study notes,
One caveat is that with so many individuals receiving prayer from friends and family, as well as personal prayer, it may be impossible to disentangle the effects of study prayer from background prayer," Manoj Jain of Baptist Memorial Hospital, Memphis, Tennessee, another author of the report
And how many of those outstide the control group prayed for, perhaps, different outcomes..
Posted by: Col Steve at March 31, 2006 01:50 PM (pj2h7)
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I believe in god, I think he gave some instructions to us on morality available to all people through their concious. SOme people have been more receptive to this instruction and so we follow their example, that is the basis of morality.
I do not believe, however, that God does anything to help us in this world. We do our best, and hope for an afterlife. God is not going to cause the rain to fall on some and not on others because they pray for it.
Posted by: Kyle N at March 31, 2006 03:58 PM (3aYP6)
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"At JREF, we offer a one-million-dollar prize to anyone who can show, under proper observing conditions, evidence of any paranormal, supernatural, or occult power or event.
http://www.randi.org/
Posted by: strawman at March 31, 2006 05:31 PM (0ZdtC)
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Fucking Christian Scientists are at it again. It's not science.
LF, ask your mom how much her scale is for praying for me. I like to go with a known winner.
Posted by: Casca at March 31, 2006 05:52 PM (2gORp)
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I'm with Kyle. I used to be a Christian apologist, but eventually tired of tying myself in knots, appealing to the 'mystery', etc.
Posted by: will at March 31, 2006 06:57 PM (h7Ciu)
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Does sharing a blog expose me to the lightning strike?
I disavow these infidels...
Posted by: shelly at April 02, 2006 06:45 PM (wZLWV)
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Sometimes I thank God for unanswered prayers
Remember when you're talkin' to the man upstairs
That just because he may not answer doesn't mean he don't care
Some of God's greatest gifts are unanswered prayers
--from "Unanswered Prayers" by Garth Brooks
Posted by: The Kosher Hedgehog at April 02, 2006 07:27 PM (az0t0)
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Yes, and some of the nicest thoughts I've had about anyone were the ones I forgot to have.
What childish drivel Hedge, just another sophism to help the clueless find a way to make the absence of the big guy proof of his existance.
Posted by: strawman at April 03, 2006 09:00 AM (0ZdtC)
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There have been a number of studies showing that prayer does have a positive impact on recovery. So, I guess the debate will continue. Regardless, from my own Christian perspective, I believe that each of us has his/her own personal relationship with God that may ultimately affect any outcome associated to one's personal life - regardless of who is praying for us.
Frankly, I am a little uncomfortable trying to combine the physical and the metaphysical. Each has their own place. If I were sick, would want others to pray for me? Of course. But let me assure you that I'd sure as heck be praying for the best freakin' doctor that I could find.
Posted by: Blu at April 03, 2006 12:17 PM (j8oa6)
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bLU,
Always knew you were a level headed guy.
I, an athiest am willing to believe that prayer may certainly be able to influence the process of recouperation so long as the patient is aware of the efforts and believes in the process. THis is not, of course, an example of devine intervention but rather intentionality; a person's ability to affect the workings of their body through the force of their beliefs. Happy, optimistic forward looked people who are loved and love others, do better in recovery than sad, lonely depressives.
Posted by: strawman at April 03, 2006 12:47 PM (0ZdtC)
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I guess that I just don't believe any "study" of prayer can capture whether prayer does or does not work. You can neither know the heart and mind of the sick person nor the people who are praying. Each person, I believe, has his/her own relationship with God. So, I've never been impressed with positive studies just as I'm not impressed with this negative one.
I do believe that God has provided humanity with the capacity to reason and, as a result, we have evolved in our ability to treat disease by learning about it. He has given, I think, some the heart and the intellect to study medicine and become doctors. Do I believe they are perfect? No. But, they are a vast improvement over the medicine-men and witch doctors that used to parade as healers in the past. I'm happy to be prayed for just as I'm happy as hell to live in the 21st century where I don't have to worry about some primitive "bleeding" me in an attempt to heal me.
Posted by: Blu at April 03, 2006 01:50 PM (j8oa6)
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You reminded me of the old SNL skit with Steve Martin called
"Theodoric of York, Medieval Barber." Remember that one?
The funniest line was:
"Well, I'll do everything humanly possible. Unfortunately, we barbers aren't gods. You know, medicine is not an exact science, but we are learning all the time. Why, just fifty years ago, they thought a disease like your daughter's was caused by demonic possession or witchcraft. But nowadays we know that Isabelle is suffering from an imbalance of bodily humors, perhaps caused by a toad or a small dwarf living in her stomach"
Posted by: annika at April 03, 2006 02:12 PM (fxTDF)
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Blu,
Bad news, Pal, leeches are back as are maggots. They are currently being used in many deep wound situations to keep wounds clean and to keep blood from clotting.
Posted by: strawman at April 04, 2006 05:13 AM (0ZdtC)
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That's like a bad episode of Fear Factor. I've actually seen the maggots thing recently on Discover (or something like that.) I guess that I'll have to cut our medieval healers some slack.
Posted by: Blu at April 04, 2006 07:32 AM (j8oa6)
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Strawman: You can insult me, but when you call a Garth Brooks lyric drivel, well then you're on the fightin' side of me.
As for the intellectual superiority of atheists over believers, on the belief side we have moral, intellectual and literary giants such as Maimonedes, Sir Thomas More, Augustine, and in modern times, Pope John Paul II, Pope Benedict XVI, Rabbi Joseph Soloveichik, the Reverend Martin Luther King, Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, C.S. Lewis, JRR Tokien and Annika. On your side, we have Marx, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Madeline Murray O'Hare and the Strawman. I'll take the believers, thank you.
Posted by: The Kosher Hedgehog at April 04, 2006 06:32 PM (az0t0)
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Hedge,
You silly little ball of hog.
There are, of course, millions of deep thinking, sophisticated, intellectually superior men and women other than myself who find the belief in god superfluous to living good loving, moral, ethical and productive lives. How about Warren Buffet, Richard Dawkins, Isaac Asimov, Arthur Miller, Ayn Rand, Angelina Jolie, Albert Einstein, Richard Feynman, Douglas Hofstadter, Bjork, and the sage Micky Dolenz.
http://www.celebatheists.com/index.php?title=Main_Page
Stupid argument from a low to the ground European animal with a pea sized brain that refuses to eat pork or mussels.
Posted by: strawman at April 05, 2006 08:59 AM (0ZdtC)
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Angelin Jolie! bwahaha!
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I must admit that if she would take the job I would let her be my god. What would that mean? If you are god can you still be an atheist?
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Advice For Political Wagering
Whenever a public figure insists he is
not going to resign,
take the over.
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Oh that's just California!
Posted by: Scof at March 30, 2006 02:34 PM (SZtZg)
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It's kind of like the G.M. giving the baseball manager a "vote of confidence." The manager, invariably, is fired within the week.
Posted by: gcotharn at March 30, 2006 09:15 PM (wg3L2)
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It was a deal between friends; Rob is trying to put a good face on his mistakes, but they are going to investigate and audit him nevertheless.
He really is a meathead.
Absolute power corrupts, absolutely.
Posted by: shelly at March 31, 2006 06:43 AM (BJYNn)
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Notice who Rob's spokesman was? Mark Fabiani, the self congratulatory "Master of Disaster".(Check him out)
When Mark is around, you can be sure that someone is deep double doo-doo.
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Hips Don't Lie
Memo to Katherine McPhee: don't attempt Christina ever again.
Memo to Bucky: You're next. As the MySpace bloggers say: "he can't sing good."
the hips have spoken.
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Didja notice how each criticism pretty much included the mention of "poor song choice?" This leads me to only one conclusion: The music (thus far) from this century sucks donkey dicks.
On XM, I pretty much keep it on 50's, 60s, Fred (classic alternative), or Top Tracks (classic rock).
Posted by: Victor at March 30, 2006 05:00 AM (L3qPK)
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Katherine is a hottie.
As for Bucky, well, I don't kow how he got there in the first place. And then there's that whole when you're 18 you can legally change your name thing. Because with a name like Bucky, I don't see a CEO position in his future.
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Literary News
Ultrablognetic, the book. By fellow Cal Bear, longtime blogroll denizen, comic lover, and one of the coolest practitioners of the art of free association: Alfred Pennyworth (or whatever name he's going by these days). Congratulations dude.
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awwww, thanks annika.
you too sweet.
speaking of the bears, was kinda rough losing in the first round of the ncaa, but I guess we had a good year. Hope Powe sticks around a little longer.
keep fighting the good fight....
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March 29, 2006
Pirate Call
My plate's too full for this, but some of you youngsters out there might think about joining
Bluto's Pirate Fleet. It sounds like a fun way to win friends and influence people. Aaarr!
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Sculpted Brittany
Brittany related news:
A controversial sculpture of Britney Spears – naked, life-sized and crouching as she is giving birth on a bearskin rug – is due to go on display April 7 at Brooklyn's Capla Kesting Fine Art gallery as part of a pro-life exhibition.
"I admire her. This is an idealized figure," the Connecticut-based artist, Daniel Edwards, tells the Associated Press – also admitting that he's never met or even spoken to his 24-year-old subject.
"Everyone is coming at me with anger and venom, but I depicted her as she has depicted herself – seductively," says Edwards. "Suddenly, she's a mom."
The sculpture is to be
part of a pro-life exhibit, so they say:
"This is a new take on pro-life," said Edwards, whose life-size sculpture will appear at the gallery next to a display case filled with pro-life materials. "Pro-lifers normally promote bloody images of abortion. This is the image of birth." (Actually it seems more like an image of conception.)
The sculpture shows Brit naked and pregnant, crouching face-down on a bear rug as the baby's head appears at her opposite end.When some bloggers heard about the exhibit, the gallery received about 3,000 e-mails from around the world, split between pro-choice and pro-life opinions.
Sounds disturbing. Sometimes pop culture is just too fucking weird for me to even comment.
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Anni,
Being in WIlliamsburg I guess I'll have to go and take a look. I haven't seen a baby come out of the opposite end in quite some time. I'll let you know if Brit's baby changes my attitude from pro-choice to no choice (as pro-life should be called). I am pro-choice but still very much in favor of all things living, but I draw the line at telling anybody what to do with things growing inside of their bodies be they cysts, tumors, abcesses, fetuses, or polyps.
Posted by: strawman at March 29, 2006 04:29 PM (0ZdtC)
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That Britney sculpture is enough to make a person lose sleep though, isn't it?
Posted by: Axinar at March 29, 2006 04:57 PM (NTgqN)
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ROFLMAO - I can't believe this guy [the "artist"] are for real -- who the F!CK wants to look at a sculpture of THAT?!
And something in me believes he chose Britney as a subject to cash in on her celebrity status.
Disturbing indeed.
Posted by: Amy Bo Bamy at March 29, 2006 05:01 PM (Wz2Gp)
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is. IS! So much for previewing...
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If you go, take pictures and send them to me, Strawman. You can be annika's journal's exclusive reporter on the ground! Especially if you have to
get on the ground for the best camera angle.
Posted by: annika at March 29, 2006 05:56 PM (fxTDF)
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You see, its stuff like this that brings out the totalitarian dictator in me. Why do I feel the overwhelming compulsion to stick this Artist in a gaint cuisinart?
Posted by: Kyle N at March 30, 2006 03:44 AM (2+PQi)
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this has gotta be a publicity stunt cooked up by britney's PR people
btw, i read somewhere she didn't even conceive vaginally, but was afraid of the pain and chose to have a non-necessary c-section
i too would love to see a "money shot" of this thing, if strawman can get a pic...
Posted by: keith el otro at March 30, 2006 01:02 PM (/MDEc)
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Then I guess its a good thing that there are no gallerys or modern art museums down in the holler by Kyles trailer. And soon, when he's old enough to have sex outside the family he could take an art appreciation course over the Grange where he will lean about others like himself in history who wanted to take take a hammer to Michelangelo's David.
Notice how it is almost always Rebublicans that have trouble with sexually provocative art? They don't get it, want to ban it, find it offensive, don't want children to see it, want to kill the maker.
I saw a Discovery Channel documentary about the LAs Fallas festival which is a variety of a pre lent kinda thing. Without going into an in depth description of the whole event which is very beautiful and goes on for two weeks, I was struck by a mother and her 8-9 year old son walking through a museum of sculptures kept from previous festivals and explaining to him the symbolism contained in a scene of a streetwalker with her breast out suckling a sailor. It seemed perfectly natural but of course it was not America, where Kyle's mom would have shielded his eyes as they went past and been tounge tied, embarrassed and unable to explain in an age appropriate manner to her son the what was going on. So, now, go figure, Kyle as a semi-adult has fantasies of putting creators of provocative art in blenders. And people wonder why America is so violent, in love with guns and militarism.
Posted by: strawman at March 30, 2006 02:04 PM (0ZdtC)
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How did I know that a leftist asshole like you would like this kind of stupid worthless shit?
Posted by: Kyle N at March 30, 2006 06:45 PM (CC59i)
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Straw,
You must practice in the mirror to be so condescending. Let me guess, you're about twenty and know everything. We're so lucky you choose to share with us poor, humble rednecks. It must really suck, not to be you, right?
Because it's so easy, insulting people about whom you know nothing. Piss Christ, bring it on. Those Christians won't do jack. Mohammed cartoons, well we are respectful of minorities. Real reason: we don't want to insult anybody who might do something about it.
I suspect a lot of what you consider art, I consider trash. The subject of this post doesn't move me a bit - you might consider it art, I call it a waste of time. It might be different for you. I'm not going to tell you what to think, or feel. And I'm not going to generalize about democrats or liberals based on you. I am going to say that forcing people to pay taxes, like they did in NY, to subsidize the exhibition of the "piss Christ" is wrong. If the Britney statue is private, have at it. They won't be getting my money - I'd rather spend it on the theater.
Posted by: MarkD at March 31, 2006 06:12 AM (X9njN)
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Heh, i may not know art... but who can naysay a comely woman's upturned ass?
Posted by: Casca at March 31, 2006 06:19 AM (y9m6I)
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Pro-life, except for the bear...
Posted by: Ethne at March 31, 2006 09:05 AM (miAG4)
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Kyle,
Never said I liked it just that on first glance i didn't have homicidal fantasies. Could be good art could be bad art. I'll see. What an artist does is make art.
MARK,
All of our taxes go to support all kinds of stupid shit. The problems start when people like you or me think we should decide what it should or should not be spent on unless of course it is being spent on the destruction of churches, or Iraq. I think paying W a salary is contrary to the best interests of our society, an offense to my religion and a crime against humanity of an order that makes christ's piss wet feet about as offending as a rainy day in Phoenix.
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Useless Jelly Belly Blogging
My first Easter themed post of the season.
The thing about eating from a bag of assorted jelly bellies is that there's no way to identify the various flavors, except by trusting your mouth.
Sometimes I'll just grab a bunch and then say I'm making my own flavor out of the combinations. But that usually results in something that consistently resembles sugary mud. Assuming I know what mud tastes like, which I don't.
Eating them one by one is like a flavor quiz.
Here's one that tastes like peanuts. Another that tastes like balsamic vinegar. Another that tastes like maple syrup.
This is fun.
Here's a yellow one. I expect lemon but it turns out to be banana. Cool.
Black should always be licorice. It is.
Here's a deep red one. It looks like a kidney bean. Ouch. It is a kidney bean. Who put that in there?
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Have you ever tried those Berty Bott's Every Flavor Beans (from the Harry Potter series)? I'm still afraid to try them.
Posted by: Amy Bo Bamy at March 29, 2006 05:04 PM (Wz2Gp)
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Never heard of them Amy, but they sound magical!
Posted by: annika at March 29, 2006 05:57 PM (fxTDF)
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Are you still in Law School?
Or, have you completely flipped out?
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Wednesday Is Poetry Day
Any poem that contains the following bit of wisdom is probably worth a look:
. . . you, Hangover,
are the opposite of Orgasm. Certainly
you go on too long and in your grip
one thinks, How to have you never again?
From "Ode To Hangover," by Dean Young, which you can find at
Slate.com. It's supposed to have a link whereby you can listen to the author reading it, but the link don't work on my machine.
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March 28, 2006
Coolest Thing On The Internets Of The Day
Anyone who
tries this, let me know if it works.
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Ha! Something I haven't seen yet...at least, not on the internet :~)
However, I did do something similar while in high school, but it only used one fly and yeah, it worked like a charm.
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Go Fish
BUSH FAILS TO NAME LIBERAL TO REPLACE CARD
In yet another striking display of tone-deafness, President Bush ignored critics of his administration by *gasp* failing to name a liberal as his new chief of staff.
Developing . . .
Update: A despondent David Gergen was seen crying in his beer at a Georgetown pub, muttering something about "number six."
Developing . . .
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I think I speak for many liberals when I say we hope and will be as pleased as we have any right to be, if he will simply not continue choosing criminals and unqualified cronies for high office and advisory positions.
Posted by: Strawman at March 28, 2006 02:21 PM (0ZdtC)
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Chief Justice John Roberts and Justice Samuel Alito have criminal records?
Wow! I would have thought for sure that would have came out in those over the top and excessive confirmation hearings.
Or are you contending that they are unqualified (despite their ridiculously extensive legal resumes and accolades)?
Posted by: Robbie at March 28, 2006 02:33 PM (53jDZ)
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Josh Bolton is a stand up guy with great experience and will do excellent job. He's been waiting for it for a while.
He was Deputy to Card for several years, after he came to Washington with the Governor.
The Ambassador is his brother, by the way.
Interestingly enough, they are both Jewish, a fact that is low keyed by the press, but not lost on the Muslims.
I have never met him, but my niece lived with him in D.C. for a couple of years while he was Deputy COS and says he is totally dedicated, so much so that she returned to LA to seek her fortune without him. But she still respects him and thinks he is really a competant person.
Typical of Bush, he goes home with the guy what brought him.
Works for me.
Posted by: shelly at March 28, 2006 08:03 PM (BJYNn)
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Straw,
To whom are you referring? The charged but not convicted Scooter Libby? That would be in contrast to the previous occupant of the White House. We can start with Cisneros, and end with the impeached but not convicted ex-Pres himself. Yes, that's a winner...
Ted Kennedy's killed more people than Bush's entire cabinet.
Posted by: MarkD at March 29, 2006 06:18 PM (X9njN)
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Hey MArkD,
I don't think so or is one MJK worth 100,000 Iraqi's?
But for the erecord there is the procurement fellow who I think has pled guilty to some sort of fraud, the shop lifter, Scooter, and of course W who is just an unimpeached (rep. congress and all that) lying sack of shit who as opposed to Clinton really has committed really high crimes nd war crimes and never gets blown.
Posted by: strawman at March 30, 2006 08:07 AM (0ZdtC)
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Straw,
You still throwing out that inaccurate "100,000" figure? You might remember that the number was easily discredited due to incredibly bad methodology.(I know you don't like to get too bogged down in that academic/intellectual stuff.) Here's the bottom line: IT'S NOT TRUE. YOU CAN KEEP SAYING IT, BUT IT WILL CONTINUE TO BE A LIE. C'mon, don't be the commonplace Lefty and just make stuff up. Reminds me of listening to the average drugged out, jobless liberal/Democrat in the local coffee shop spewing one conspiracy after another. There is nothing more amusing or pathetic than an ill informed moral relativist.
Posted by: Blu at March 30, 2006 08:51 AM (j8oa6)
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bLU,
The reaason i know it to be in the neighborhood of 100000 is that the chimp has admitted to 30,000 and since he lies about 60% of the time about everything, by simple extrapolation we can arrive at a statistically reliable figure for the true carnage.
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can't lie, straw. that made me laugh. gotta give your opponent his due....
Posted by: Blu at March 30, 2006 02:49 PM (j8oa6)
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The Law Of Diminishing Returns Rears Its Ugly Head
Yet another ill-advised
Oceans sequel.
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They should have stopped at the first one. I saw a few minutes of Ocean's 12 the other day...man that thing is unwatchable. Probably has something to do with Katherine Zeta Jones being in it, plus increased screen time for Julia Roberts. Double yuck.
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Personally, I still prefer the old original with the Rat Pack, saw it at the theater when I was a kid, and have seen it a couple of times since then.
Posted by: BobG at March 28, 2006 08:47 AM (9ZVX9)
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11 was pretty darn good. 12 sucked ass hard. If there is going to be a 13 then I suggest more Cheadle, Pitt, and though it pains me to say it, Clooney. Lots less Roberts, Damon, and Jones. (Ginger, you are 100% accurate regarding the bimbos - especially horse-face.)
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March 27, 2006
Guillermo Fariñas
Please find out about Cuban dissident Guillermo Fariñas and why he's on a hunger strike for what you and I take for granted. Start at
The Cotillion and
Fausta's Blog.
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The First Annual AJFF: Goldie Hawn, Part Six
I was going to review
Seems Like Old Times next, but I have to skip back to the beginning after finally seeing Goldie's first movie ever.
The One And Only, Genuine, Original Family Band, 1968
This was a pleasant surprise. I really liked this movie, though I didn't think I would. The concept couldn't sound more boring, even to a history buff like myself. It's set during the contentious presidential election of 1888, between Democratic incumbent Grover Cleveland and Republican challenger Benjamin Harrison. Not exactly a formula for box office bonanzae, even back in 1968. I'd hate to have been the one pitching this one to Disney:
Mr. Disney: Hmm. I don't know. Who did you have in mind to play the lead?
Pitcher: Well, John Davidson's available, and Walt Brennan's signed on.
Mr. Disney: Uhhh. Who else?
Pitcher: And Buddy Ebsen.
Mr. Disney: Errr. The Beverly Hillbillies guy? Is that all? I don't know.
Pitcher: Oh... and uh, I think we can get Kurt Russell.
Mr. Disney: Russell? Why the hell didn't you say so?! That kid's gold! When can you start production?
Originally intended as a two part tv movie,
TOAOGOFB was based on the exploits of
some real life historical figures, the Bower family of South Dakota.
The Bowers became quite popular in the area because they had they own family band. . . . At the time, there was only one brass band west of the Missouri River, the military band attached to the Seventh Regiment, then stationed in Fort Meade. The military band was scheduled to perform at [a] celebration. Calvin [Bower] went to extreme measures and was successful to persuade the committee to also book his Family Band to play for the occasion.
. . . When the chairman called for music, the leader of the Fort Meade Band responded. After the speaker spoke, the chairman hardly rose when the Bower Band began to play without permission. The Bowers took the crowd by surprise and there was much clapping and shouting. It took the breath right out of the Fort Meade band and they folded up their music racks and left the platform. This was the introduction of the Family Band to the Black Hills.
In the movie, the fictional Bowers are divided along party lines with Grandpa (Walt Brennan, who else?) a cantankerous Democrat, and his son (Buddy Ebsen) a quiet Republican. Brennan's granddaughter gets involved with a dashing Republican newspaperman (John Davidson). He convinces the whole family to move to the Dakota territory, hoping they'll add to the solid Republican majority.
Davidson and the local Republicans are working to get Dakota admitted to the Union as two separate states, in order to shift the balance of power in congress with the addition of four Republican senators.* Davidson gets a shock when he finds Walt Brennan in the schoolhouse, doing a sort of 19th Century Jay Bennish act for the kids.
The eerie topicality of TOAOGOFB is one of the delights of this movie. The musical numbers are horribly bad** (with the notable exception of the finale, which is Goldie's only scene), but I laughed out loud at the unexpected parallels between 1888 politics and today.
Besides the issue of overtly political schoolteachers, the movie touches on political demagoguery, freedom of speech and dissent, and even stolen elections. As you all should know (I'm not ruining anything for you) Benjamin Harrison won the 1888 election despite losing the popular vote by over 90,000. During the movie's election night party scene, the Democrats' elation turns to violence when they find out that their man lost after the electoral votes were tallied. A riot starts and the meeting hall gets trashed. It only stops when the One and Only, Genuine, Original Family Band plays "My Country 'Tis Of Thee" to calm the crowd down.
After the brawl, Buddy Ebsen gets up to address the partisans with words that are appropriate whether the date be 1888, 1968 or even 2006:
All of us here together can build the greatest united country in the whole bloomin' world if we'll just remember one thing. There's a time to stand up and fight for what you believe in, and there is a time to join hands and work together, or all the fighting doesn't mean a thing.
The teenaged Kurt Russell made the most of his small part. Despite the fact that he hated dancing, Kurt acquited himself well during the musical numbers. Goldie's one-line part featured some pretty good dancing, as well as her trademark smile. The big scene involves a sort of dance-duel between Lesley Ann Warren and John Davidson as they try to make each other jealous by do-si-do-ing with other partners. Goldie is Davidson's "other partner."
There are no scenes between Goldie and Kurt; and their off screen romance developed many years later. Goldie's memoir, A Lotus Grows In The Mud, includes the story of how she met Kurt the second time, during the casting of 1984's Swing Shift. Goldie apparently didn't even recognize Kurt, and although he remembered Goldie, Kurt had a big crush on Lesley Ann Warren at the time. Funny how the two of them were in the same movie without realizing that they were soulmates until sixteen years later!
I totally recommend TOAOGOFB, but only if you are prepared for the odd combination of Gilded Age politics and good old fashioned Disney schmaltz. I give it 3½ stars.
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* As you all know, in 1888, Senators were elected by the state legislatures.
** I can't emphasize enough how bad the songs are. The libretto includes a rousing tribute to Grover Cleveland, "Let's Put It Over With Grover," (don't rock the boat/ give him your vote...) and a similarly pukeworthy paean to Benjamin Harrison, titled simply "Oh Benjamin Harrison," (he's far beyond comparison...). However, the final dance number, "West O' The Wide Missouri," is well choreographed and the song is pretty catchy. Also, 60 year old Buddy Ebsen showed he could still do a nice soft shoe routine.
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I saw this movie when I was 7 years old. My mother loved Walt Disney movies, and she loved John Davidson. She schlubbed me and my two brothers to a theater on a 100 degree summer afternoon - and that was before we had auto air conditioning. The autos just had vent windows in front. My 4 year old brother played in the front seat, sans seatbelt or child safety seat. We lived on the edge back then. I remember this movie - and I remember John Davidson, Buddy Ebsen, and Kirk Russell in it. I gave it: two tiny thumbs up.
Posted by: gcotharn at March 27, 2006 12:56 PM (D6yxY)
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Hmmm. Being a Disney movie, and with that cast, I'm surprised that I've never even heard of this movie. Very interesting parallels 'tween then and now. I expect there'll be a Hollywood remake by this time next week.
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 27, 2006 02:22 PM (LVz3N)
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Annika - I know this post is WAY old but I assume you will get the comment anyway, eventually - Just wanted you to know that I just picked up Goldie Hawn's autobiography (it just came out last year, I think??) - and it's kind of lovely. It's not well-written or anything, but her persona is sweet, sincere, and intelligent - I'm really enjoying reading it.
Just in case you were interested.
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March 26, 2006
Just To Show You How Completely Fucked My Bracket Is
My percentage of picks in
Six Meat Buffet's Tournament Challenge is 17%. Abysmal, but I did worse in my own fantasy baseball league last year.
Here's how my Oakland regional picks turned out:
What gets me is how someone like Preston can hit 96.8% of his picks. He oughta change his name to Prestondigitator. Or the current leader, Duane, with an astonishing 98.5% score. How do you do that without a crystal ball?
I guess it helps if you know something about college hoops.
But I bet I can accessorize better than both of 'em. I know a little something about hoop earrings, you see.
Anyways, the last two spots in the Final Four will be filled tonight. I say it will be Villanova (whom i've picked to win it all) and UConn. I saw yesterday's games and LSU looked damn strong. LSU and 'Nova in the final? What do you think?
Update: George Mason? I thought he died in season two?
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I'm dying to know how many people in the online bracket pools got all schools in the Final Four. I consider myself lucky to have one (UCLA).
Posted by: Hugo at March 26, 2006 06:00 PM (Yu24L)
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Annie, it is time to hang up your jock and your crystal ball and go hit the books.
Posted by: shelly at March 27, 2006 03:05 AM (BJYNn)
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You can accessorize better; and are much smarter and better looking.
Who'da thunk George Mason would make it this far? Really? Who?
Posted by: The Maximum Leader at March 27, 2006 05:49 AM (jiSuM)
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With me it was complete luck, Annika.
That was proven in the regional finals where I went 0/4.
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First Woman Osprey Pilot
Congratulations to Captain Elizabeth A. Okoreeh-Baah, USMC. She's the first woman to take on the very tricky V-22 Osprey aircraft. Good luck to her.
She sounds like she has the right stuff.Captain Elizabeth A. Okoreeh-Baah spent the first five and a half years of her career in the Marine Corps as a CH-46E “Sea Knight” pilot, but when Marine Medium Helicopter Squadron-263 began transitioning to the Osprey Program while she was stationed there, she became one of the first female pilots to begin training on the controls of the tiltrotor aircraft.
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“She’s going to go a long way because she never quits. She can succeed at anything she puts her mind to,” said Okoreeh-Baah’s father, Isaac K. Okoreeh-Baah Sr., a native of Ghana, North Africa. “She gets that from me, I think.”
The controversial Osprey is supposed to take off like a helicopter and then fly like an airplane by tilting its huge propellers forward.
Here's some cool video of the Osprey in action.
Before the Osprey, there was always a trade off between fixed wing aircraft and helicopters. The spinning blades of a helicopter make it inherently slower than a regular airplane, with a shorter range and a lower top altitude. But fixed wings need a runway. The Osprey gives you get the best of both worlds: the speed, range and ceiling of an airplane, plus the vertical take-off and hovering capability of a helicopter. The V-22 is designed to replace the big dual rotor CH-46 Sea Knight, which has been around since 1960.
The Osprey is controversial because the military spent a lot of money on it and then it started crashing. A lot. There was a time when the DoD wanted to cancel the program. All I know is when I tried flying my dad's computer game Osprey, I kept crashing it. So I've not always been a fan of the plane (or helicopter, or whatever).
The 1986 estimated cost of a single V-22 was about $24 million with a projected 923 to be built. The first Bush administration cancelled the project in April 1989, by which time the cost of a single craft was estimated at $35 million. However, Congress continued to allocate funding for the program in a November 1989 authorization. Throughout Secretary of Defense Richard B. CheneyÂ’s tenure, he and Congress wrestled over the question of the V-22 as he felt the project would cost more than the amount appropriated. Eventually he relented, proposing that $1.5 billion be spent in fiscal years 1992 and 1993 to develop the project. The arrival of the Clinton administration into the White House in 1992 provided new support for the program.
Osprey crashes have resulted in 30 deaths. No one died in a June 11, 1991, Osprey crash, but a crash July 20, 1992, in Virginia killed three Marines and four civilians. The Osprey was grounded for 11 months after this crash. A crash in Arizona April 8, 2000, killed 19 Marines, grounding the aircraft for two months. Another crash in North Carolina Dec. 11 of the same year killed four Marines. After the December crash, the Osprey was grounded until May 29, 2002.
One of the crashes was caused by something called "vortex ring state," which happens when a helicopter descends through its own air turbulence. To correct this, Osprey pilots are supposed to descend slowly, although some say that Ospreys should be able to descend faster than conventional helicopters.
Supposedly all the bugs have been worked out. So I'll keep my fingers crossed, and hope that the Osprey lives up to its promise.
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My brother-in-law, a Lt. Col USMC (ret) helio pilot had a hand in the development phase of this aircraft.
He said it was frightening to fly every time and apparently all the pilots were pretty brave to take it up and happy as Hell to get it down safely.
My niece, now a full Lt. in Naval Intelligence, was stationed on a LHD (which carries a complement of helios and Ospreys) during the invasion of Iraq and did a lot of vectoring (controlling) of these. She says they have their uses but are not the pilot's favorite by a long shot.
People who fly them are among the bravest.
Posted by: shelly at March 26, 2006 12:06 PM (BJYNn)
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I agree with the courage of the pilots of military aircraft of any stripe. When I was in Thailand during the Christmas bombings I talked to a B52 pilot and he told me how hard those beasts were to fly. The only thing I could add to Shelly's opinion is that the Harrier was much more dangerous and had a huge fatality rate, as I recall something like 3 times higher than the next highest a/c. I wish my fellow marines were asked to be less couragous.
Posted by: Drake Steel at March 26, 2006 02:08 PM (MIaSv)
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The qualifications for being a Naval Aviator, which Marine wingnuts are, are very stringent. One must have good eyes, lightning reflexes, be smart enough to do the job, and be dumb enough to do the job.
I lived through both the AV-8B, and CH-53E deployments, and even personally knew some of the dead. A pretty good friend of mine was an F-18 squadron maintenance officer in the early '90s, and I remember the look of fear on his face before heading out to take a problem child out for a check ride. Shit, he had three kids. It's the old story, if it's got wings, rotors, tits, or tires, it'll give you problems.
As for the spit-tail rotor-head, I hope that neither I nor mine are customers. When in need, I don't want the bull-dyke fireman, 98 lb copette, or pilot without all the skills. One of the skills is the ego to do the job, whether you can or not, and it's not a female trait.
Posted by: Casca at March 27, 2006 08:42 AM (y9m6I)
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Interestingly enough, I was reading that they had somekind of accident with one of the MV-22's. No one was killed or injured.
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Coolest Thing On The Internets Of The Day
Okay Victor, have you seen
this yet?
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Yes Annika,
The horses are quite wonderful. I've had the link in my fav's for a couple years years. So glad they keep it up.
Here is a good one.
http://uk.download.yahoo.com/ne/fu/attachments/bubblewrap.swf
Posted by: strawman at March 27, 2006 09:10 AM (0ZdtC)
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haha, SM. i don't know which would annoy co-workers more. the horsies or the bubble wrap. lol. what if you played with both at the same time!
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March 25, 2006
Coolest Thing On The Internets Of The Day
Two words:
viking kitties.
Via Beth.
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You
cannot just be finding that. Good gravy, annia, that's older than Shelly!
Posted by: Victor at March 26, 2006 04:23 AM (l+W8Z)
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LOL! Don't you ever read
Susie?!
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 26, 2006 02:47 PM (On7NY)
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Those are Minnesota Viking kitties.
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Page Two Of Dick Cheney's List
That
list of items that Vice President Dick Cheney requires when he visits a hotel is kind of interesting. But not nearly as interesting as what was on page two of the list, which was
not given to The Smoking Gun.
However, the crack team of investigators here at annika's journal has obtained the top secret second page of Dick Cheney's list, which can now be revealed exclusively for you.
more...
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It's good to be vice president.
Posted by: Jake at March 25, 2006 01:03 PM (r/5D/)
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mmmm.........Captain Morgan. I always knew he was a party animal.
Posted by: jane at March 25, 2006 01:55 PM (y6n8O)
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ah-HENH! ah-HENH!
annika said "crack!"
Posted by: Victor at March 26, 2006 04:24 AM (l+W8Z)
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So the guy likes to drink his booze and have sex? Seriously.... the left has been touting this free love shit for years. Now a good ol' Republican comes along wanting to experience what all this talk is about and he's crucified? Score one for tolerance assholes. Please... he 100% supports his daughter (who is a lesbian BTW), is pretty damn coherent for being a cardiac risk and STILL likes to party. Give the old man a break. Double standards get you nothing. Base your arguments in truly despicable or incompetent personality traits. The moment you second guess this guys desire for a shot of rum is the second you lose your entire platform.
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This Is How They Get Ya
I saw no reason to want a video Ipod, until I discovered that there is a "Strong Bad Email" video podcast. Now I
must have one.
Dammit!
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Come on fhqwhgads! Everybody to the limit!
Posted by: The Law Fairy at March 25, 2006 08:07 AM (954g7)
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Who the hell keeps voting for Frenchie in your "Jason Bourne vs. Leon" poll? WHO?
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at March 25, 2006 08:46 AM (1PcL3)
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