April 28, 2004
More Fun Stuff To Waste Time With
Via
Breanagh McTavish, check out
this fun website. Remember those two Iraqi kids who posed with a sign, and there was some controversy about whether it had been doctored? This site lets you create your own caption for the sign. i like
this one. This is
a cute one. Here's
one for G&S lovers. And i found this one to be
worth a few chuckles. Here's one
for Neo fans.
i made some too. Here's one i made for all 80's movie fans, and one for Teen Girl Squad fans. And this kid deserves a piece of pie, doesn't he? And here's some free promotion; what a sweetie.
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ok - "Save Ferris" was funny.
Posted by: jimi at April 28, 2004 09:15 PM (lN8eP)
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I loved Jaws, the movie
Posted by: Lynn Carrier at April 29, 2004 01:13 PM (S9P+3)
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WOOHOO...SAVE FERRIS!!! I loved that movie.
Posted by: Brent at April 29, 2004 06:21 PM (w+y2e)
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Where you been, girl? Come back!
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Google linked me to this page, nice reading
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Wednesday Is Poetry Day
Wednesday being poetry day here, i think the perfectly appropriate selection in light of my current dillema is this one, the most famous poem about dillemas:
The Road Not Taken
Two roads diverged in a yellow wood,
And sorry I could not travel both
And be one traveler, long I stood
And looked down one as far as I could
To where it bent in the undergrowth;
Then took the other, as just as fair,
And having perhaps the better claim,
Because it was grassy and wanted wear;
Though as for that the passing there
Had worn them really about the same,
And both that morning equally lay
In leaves no step had trodden black.
Oh, I kept the first for another day!
Yet knowing how way leads on to way,
I doubted if I should ever come back.
I shall be telling this with a sigh
Somewhere ages and ages hence:
Two roads diverged in a wood, and I—
I took the one less traveled by,
And that has made all the difference.
The beauty of this poem, which might be
Frost's best known, is the deliberate lack of resolution in the final line. Just like with life.
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Aah! A great one! (Though "Stopping By Woods..." might challenge it for his best known...)
Frost -- along with Whitman and Poe -- is my favorite!!!
Posted by: Tuning Spork at April 28, 2004 06:45 PM (QzJ0r)
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This is my favorite poem of his and have used it as a guide in making many big (and little) decisions.
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Thank You
i so appreciate the kind words, advice and encouragement you all have sent me. It's really heartwarming to read the comments and e-mails, and your suggestions are very welcome. i also appreciate the stories of hard decisions and their results that a lot of you have sent me, too. Makes me feel like i'm not alone. Also, i learned that some of you are contemplating even bigger life changes than me and to you i say, good luck. i'll be pulling for you, too.
i'm probably going to accept the offer from the good school. i spoke to a number of friends and some lawyers at work, who were also very helpful and encouraging. The partner i worked for told me that he would recommend me for a clerkship or part time job during the school year at their branch office up there.
My Dad seems okay with it. He says, "well we'll just have to go visit you." But i know he wanted me to go to UCLA, or Pepperdine. i didn't get into UCLA, but Pepperdine was his second choice for me because they're a relatively conservative law school. Still, he understands that the scholarship changes the equation.
My Mom remains the tough nut. She really laid it on thick last night. And it's not a situation of her desires vs. my desires. i don't want to leave her. It's not an easy decision for me. She suggested that i go for one year and try again to transfer to UCLA. That seems like an unwise way to go. i'm told law school transfers are not as easy as undergrad, nor are they a good idea, since it's only three years. It's better to stick with the same program. My plan is to convince her that three years is not that long, i'll visit every month or so, and that i will plan on coming back here when i'm done. She seemed really sad and worried last night, though. Which makes me feel like a total shithole.
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I think you're making the right decision. Your mom will come around as moms generally do (I imagine, anyway). You've gone up north to school before, right?
My Mom still hopes I will apply for some job up on the Monterey Peninsula and move up there near her. It won't happen, and it is hard to disappoint her when I tell her I am a SoCal boy for life. But she knows I do have to lead my own life, and she knows that I honor her as best I can from a long way away...
Posted by: Hugo at April 28, 2004 11:43 AM (89maB)
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i guess my background isn't very clear, sorry. My brother and i grew up in Oakland. When i went to Berkeley, my family still lived in Oakland. My parents just recently moved to L.A. and i moved down here a short time later, last July actually. So i haven't really been away from them for any extended period at all. Although, unlike my brother, i haven't lived with them since i moved out for college. But i've always been nearby.
Posted by: annika at April 28, 2004 11:53 AM (zAOEU)
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Your mom will come around - parents always do. And you will have no problem finding a job in LA once you are done. Transferring is not a good idea, because you lose the contacts you make in first year. Those contacts are, in my opinion, the second most important thing you get out of law school after the education itself. Also, you may lose out on law review, fall recruiting and clerkship application deadlines by being lost in the shuffle. Good luck, and congratulations once again.
Posted by: OS at April 28, 2004 01:19 PM (iDpLa)
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OTOH, while I certainly don't think I would have transferred myself, I had classmates my first year who transferred to other schools that suited them better, and it was the right thing for them to do in their circumstances. Yes, it's unusual and generally probably not the best idea, but it's always an option.
Posted by: Dave J at April 28, 2004 01:30 PM (VThvo)
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Slightly related: Go into as little debt as possible. Take the best scholarship, get good grades, and you'll make as much money as your friends with less debt.
Posted by: roach at April 28, 2004 02:04 PM (d2Tm2)
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You know what's really ironic?
I just noticed your possible move and at the same time...
Lee from Right-Thinking.com is doing it in reverse (moving back to LA from the Bay Area due to a job).
All in two days. What karma!
Posted by: Chris at April 29, 2004 05:04 AM (Wj1fh)
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What Roach said. The debt issue isn't inconsequential. I have some friends that graduated law school with close to 70-80K in debt.
Regards,
Tony
Posted by: Tony at April 29, 2004 11:10 AM (BRxeN)
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While I agree with the little-debt comment, do work very hard in the first year, even if it means less work and more debt. Those first year grades (generally speaking) make or break a law career, especially if you want a BigLaw job. Fall recruiting for the second year summer jobs take place at the beginning of second year, and the only grades available are the first-year ones. Generally speaking (again) most Biglaw firms make their permanent offers based on the summer associateships.
Posted by: OS at April 29, 2004 02:05 PM (iDpLa)
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Again, this certainly doesn't apply to everyone, OS, but IMHO working in most big firms is HIGHLY overrated. If I'm going to be a little cog in someone else's machine, at least give me some pride of ownership and let what I do have SOME wider, more noticeable consequence than shuffling a corporate client's money around. Screw that: if I'm ever out in the private sector, I'd much rather BE such a firm's client, thank you.
If money is someone's number one goal, there are plenty of easier ways to go about getting it than practicing in a big firm, or even practicing law at all. I'm not one to repeat the cliche about there being too many lawyers already, but there are certainly too many people who go to law school for all the wrong reasons, or even really no particular reason... all present company excepted, of course.
Posted by: Dave J at April 29, 2004 05:36 PM (+MjkF)
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Dave,
I agree - the only point I wanted to make was that if Annika wanted the option of BigLaw, then first year grades matter the most. It is also important for law review, clerkships etc. It is good to have options.
Posted by: OS at April 29, 2004 07:42 PM (iDpLa)
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Of course, OS: I'm just being contrarian. What do you expect...I'm an attorney! ;-)
Posted by: Dave J at April 30, 2004 06:39 AM (VThvo)
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From a much older guy's perspective: At some point, most likely, you'll end up with your parents having predeceased you. You will never regret the good things you did for them, but you will resent having molded your life to suit their desires. In the end, it's your life. I'm proud of my kids for finding their own way and I would never want to keep them from doing so. I'm at peace with myself for having made my choices - a couple of which were decidedly not mainstream. Those are the ones that made me happiest.
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This Is Soooo Funny!
i'm serious. Trust me. This is like the funniest thing! It's called
Teen Girl Squad. It's totally clean, but you might get in trouble for laughing your ass off at work. Watch all five Teen Girl Squad videos. Actually anything on this site is hilarious.
Thanks to Rambling Rhodes for the tip.
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Aww, Home Star!
"I have a crush on every boy!"
Posted by: candace at April 28, 2004 10:33 AM (JdYoU)
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"I think I have a chance with this guy"
funny stuff, the guys at worked liked it.
Posted by: Scof at April 28, 2004 11:06 AM (XCqS+)
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I'm a crazy Homestar Runner traveling evangelist or something. I try to convert everyone I meet. When they're like "so the other day I got on the internet," I'm like "internet? Did you just say internet? Well, speaking of the internet, have I got a site for you!" and other cheesy used-car sales techiques.
Also, I have my entire family quoting Teen Girl Squad at nearly every opportunity (sometimes unconsciously!).
Posted by: Lorie at April 28, 2004 11:18 AM (PPPwU)
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They people who do that website are comic geniuses.
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April 27, 2004
Good News To Sadden The Heart
Bear with me. Stream of consciousness and all that.*
Sometimes you build a life and when it's built you say, that's good, i like it, i think i'll stay here for a while. Then you congratulate yourself, but it's all vanity. You have no control over where you'll be, or what, from one day to the next. And you think you can insulate yourself from the hard choices, but God finds a way to stir things up anyway. And it sucks.
No, i'm not pregnant.
i got accepted to a pretty good law school. Trouble is, it was a fallback school, because it's in a place that i had not planned to move to. To make things "worse," they offered me a scholarship. A big one. Too much money to just dismiss. i got into some other schools too, but they didn't offer to take me for free, and they're not as good.
The whole damn reason i left all my friends, save one, and moved here to L.A. was to be near my parents. It's part guilt and part love. They're getting up there in years. Both of them have had health problems recently and i've been glad to be here and near them. i don't want to be away and get the call. You know the call i'm talking about. i don't want to know that i wasn't here for them. My brother is useless in these things. It's gotta be me, to take care of them if they need it.
Oh, they're fine now. Perfect health. i'm just afraid, really terrified something will happen and i won't be here. That's the guilt part. My Dad can take care of himself better than my Mom, but he's the one with the more serious health problems. Still, sometimes i go through life just waiting for the other shoe to drop.
Maybe it's guilt that says i can't accept something nice happening to me. Maybe i'm just a baby who after all these years can't leave my parents. i think back on the other times when i was at a crossroads and i always picked the secure road, forsaking the road to adulthood. Colby is the big one. i could be married now, but i couldn't jump into that really big unknown. When he came back and wanted to give it a second try, i bugged out on him.
Oh, the self-pity and wailing and melancholy over such good news. What's wrong with me. Most people accept change in their lives. Most people look for it. People are always trying to move forward. i didn't want to, really. i'm happy doing what i'm doing. Working one day to the next, looking forward to each weekend, and then the next. Not making any plans. i'll quit smoking when i'm ready, etc.
The damn LSAT came back and it was good. A few points lower than i'd hoped, but still good enough to open a lot of possibilities. Too good not to apply to Law School. Then the applications went out. A couple of rejections from some places i'd been counting on. Wait-listed at a reach. Then this one.
i suppose i'll have to go. It's only three years. Really, i want to go. I'm excited about going, despite what i've typed above. Really excited. It's just that i seem to want to cry every time i think about leaving my parents. And i don't even visit them all that often. Certainly not as often as i should. And when i do visit, perhaps i grumble and argue a bit more than i should too. Maybe that's part of the guilt trip.
At the root, i have a big problem doing things for me alone. i don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. It keeps one from being too selfish. i'm very aware of not wanting to be selfish. Though i think i am. Egotistical too. Hell, i write a blog, i got a big ego. i just don't want a big ego. But i gotta do something for me sometime. i can't keep putting it off, like i had wanted to.
The choice is this. Take the better opportunity, push myself, and deal with the worry. Or take a lesser opportunity and coast. If i go up north again, i will have to come back to L.A. a lot, if only to assuage my worries and so they won't miss me. i'll miss the people and the life i've built here, but i may like it up there too.
It's so hard to decide. i've known for a long time that i am a very indecisive person. Lacking real ambition too. Lazy, etc. Whatever.
i have to let them know by Monday.
* Written in a horrible fit of self-doubt, and pity. Not to be construed as the way the blog's author is actually normally in real life. Just a look inside her soul, for a little bit. Aaaack! A word from God would be good right about now.
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Go for it. You will never forgive yourself if you don't. Hopefully nothing will happen to your parents in that time. If it does you can deal with it then. If three years passes and nothing happens you will always be thinking that you should have gone to school.
Posted by: Capt. Poopdeck at April 27, 2004 10:49 AM (+xC6N)
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I know you aren't really asking for advice, but I say go for it. I was in a very similar situation to yours when looking at undergrad schools. All the ones I applied to would be far away, but the one I wanted was near extended family and I'd know a bunch of kids there. But then I was offered a ginormous financial aid package from Prestigious School, which was really not my first choice. I was worried about going there - at State School I'd be in the honors program, which would make me feel special, I'd know people around there, I'd be far away but in familiar territory. Prestigious School didn't have an honors program because everyone there was friggin' brilliant. I didn't know a soul - family, friend, acquaintance, or enemy - in Chicago. But the financial aid director at State School was actually who made the decision for me. He said, "I shouldn't be telling you this, because I should try to get you to come here, but you have to take this opportunity. You will never get a chance like this again."
So I went. And it was hard and it was scary and when things got bad for my family, I couldn't go to them. And when things got bad for me, they couldn't come save me.
It was really, really hard. I won't lie. But I am so much stronger and SET as a result of making that choice, and I don't regret it for one second.
Posted by: lorie at April 27, 2004 10:50 AM (PPPwU)
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Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no work, nor plan, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave where you go. Ecc 9:10
Good luck!
Posted by: Otto at April 27, 2004 10:55 AM (/yOhb)
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I'll write more later, Annika, but what a powerful post. First off, congratulations.
Second off, this may indeed be the "big scary moment" that you know you need. You are too smart to allow yourself to "coast" for too long. I remember when I moved down here for grad school in 1989 -- leaving behind NorCal and all that I knew. It was frightening beyond words, but (amazingly enough) it became first familiar, and then my true home. I would have been a fool to stay.
Good luck.
Posted by: Hugo at April 27, 2004 11:41 AM (89maB)
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You want a sign from God? I saw this AP headline recently (can't recall where) which should remove all doubts:
"Despite Years of Anecdotal Evidence to the Contrary, Survey Shows World Really
DOES Need One More Lawyer"
Now who could argue with that? Go North, young woman! (Just be sure to take your blog with you!)
Posted by: The Big Guy (No, not that One!) at April 27, 2004 12:13 PM (7UPKM)
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First -congratulations. Go for it - you can always come back to LA with a major firm, and you will be better off. I had ailing parents in my hometime, and I was able to return here to an academic spot that magically opened when I needed to come back. You owe it to yourself and your family to go - you will have so many doors opened for you. Once again, congratulations and good luck.
Posted by: OS at April 27, 2004 12:34 PM (iDpLa)
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"The choice is this. Take the better opportunity, push myself, and deal with the worry. Or take a lesser opportunity and coast."
I think you just answered your own question.
Posted by: Curt at April 27, 2004 12:41 PM (MjUGS)
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Go Annika! Go!
A few years is a small price to pay living in a place you did not plan to.
Here are a couple of my former addresses:
Waco, Texas (during the whole Koresh mess)
Anchorage, Alaska (where the men are men and so are the women)
North Canton, Ohio (home of Hoover and boy does it suck!)
and finally,
Jacksonville, NC (an extension of the Marine Barracks on LeJeune)
The price is right and the benefits great, you will find happiness and success there.
Posted by: jcrue at April 27, 2004 01:50 PM (G9kk0)
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Annika,
I moved 400 miles from my entire family to pursue a relationship that my parents did not approve of and that ultimately failed.
In the process of living through that, I met my wife of 10 years and the mother of my two wonderful children. I also forged a career on path I had not set out on and have done quite well.
It is not an exaggeration to say that all of what my life is now is the result of taking that one chance.
Go.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at April 27, 2004 03:16 PM (4819r)
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I concur with everybody (wow, I don't think I've ever said that before)!
Good friends we've had, good friends we've lost... along the way - Bob Marley
Posted by: d-rod at April 27, 2004 04:24 PM (CSRmO)
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Annika,
First, congrats.
Second, sounds like the guilt is parent-driven, so to speak. I'd suggest talking to your Mom and Dad about it.
Two great things result: one, a sense of relief because you shared you feelings with your parents; and two, you'll get their "blessing." It's what you're really after here, isn't it. (No bad thing.)
So go. Talk to your p's. No regrets.
Posted by: joe at April 27, 2004 04:25 PM (0XLEx)
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Congrats and good luck...law school is hell anywhere, but also CAN be a great experience as well; you'll do just fine. And if you absolutely find your heart belongs to some other school, it's still always possible to transfer after the first year.
Posted by: Dave J at April 27, 2004 06:16 PM (+MjkF)
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This is a bit cheesy but I figured if any blogger could use this it would be you:
"Regrets, I've had a few
But then again, too few to mention
I did what I had to do and saw it through without exemption
I planned each charted course, each careful step along the byway
And more, much more than this, I did it my way"
Sage advice from the man. It popped into my head as I read your post. I lived all over the country, even the world, and "ended up" buying a house on the same block as my parents. Now I may leave again. I know (a bit) what you're going through but you have to step back and look at your situation objectively. What is the best choice? I have no idea, maybe you don't either. No matter your decision, you'll have a few regrets. Which regrets are better for you in the long run?
Posted by: Rich at April 27, 2004 06:24 PM (Z0Vzg)
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Annika,
-It almost seems too personal an issue for some stranger's advice. But I'd be willing to wager your parents would want you to take the opportunity. Seems like they raised an intelligent and thoughtful girl. As much as they may enjoy having you near, they'd probably take great pride knowing your persuing your ambitions, and I doubt they'd find any real peace if they thought you were staying behind on their behalf. Good parents expend years of effort preparing their kids for the world knowing wheresoever life takes their child, they'll be along for the journey. If the roles were reversed wouldn't you want your child to go out and face they world with the strength and knowledge you'd instilled.
-It may seem cold coming from someone who's emotionally detatched from the situation, but maybe staying would be selfish, if you're staying out of self-guilt, and not because you really think they want you to hang around while life passes by.
Jasen
Posted by: Jasen at April 27, 2004 07:43 PM (HlnGb)
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In my experience, if you make a decision based
soley on $$$ then it's the wrong decision. You have to remember that being Rich, not "rich", is what it's all about. Listen to yer heart, Anni, you probably already know what you want to do.
Or maybe not... ;P ?
Posted by: Tuning Spork at April 27, 2004 08:28 PM (7JYZb)
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Annie,
My greatest hopes in life revolve around my children's safety, happiness and fulfillment. I think most parents are that way. I'd be surprised if your parents aren't. So how would they feel about you staying away from the school that you seem to really want, for their sake? If the answer is as I suspect, then you can probably do more to make them happy by going than by staying. But of course I could be wrong. You know better than I; just be honest with yourself.
Best of luck to you in your decision. We'll all be waiting with bated breath!
Posted by: Matt at April 27, 2004 09:12 PM (of2d1)
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Be cherry about giving advice. A fool won't listen, and a wise man doesn't need it. - Ben Franklin
Funny thing, whatever you decide will be right.
Posted by: Casca at April 27, 2004 10:05 PM (Qhmjh)
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That is you.
Deal with it...
Posted by: CandyCane at April 28, 2004 05:37 AM (S9P+3)
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I would imagine your folks would tell you to go, and they'd be sincere about it. Parents want their children to surpass them, and this is a big step towards that.
Posted by: Ted at April 28, 2004 09:51 AM (blNMI)
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OK, Annie:
One more piece of advice, since you asked for it.
Law School is Hell. I know, I've been there. The first year, they scare you to death, the second, they work you to death, the third, they bore you to death. Then after you graduate, you spend the summer cramming all the stuff back into your head so that you can take and pass the Bar Exam.
Life, as you know it, is about to come to a screeching halt. New language, concepts, and a way of thinking that you don't learn working in a law office.
It doesn't matter where you are living, when you have the few lulls, you can fly home from there and then back to the grind.
Take the best law school you can get into; it will play a part in your future. Many firms, and many clients, are law school snobs and will not hire or use lawyers who do not have a good pedigree.
Good luck to you. The law has been good to me, and it is a great life, but not in law school.
Posted by: shelly s. at April 28, 2004 11:26 AM (0GNJF)
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congrats - on the scholarship?? you're the best.
On leaving your family: what happens after law school and the job of your dreams is in say NYC?? would you put that off as well?
sooner or later you have to reach for the brass ring. you are talented person. get the best education you can, and give that wisdom back to your clients and employer ( and break off a piece you blog readers as well!).
your parents can live off the glory of having a superstar-lawyer for a daughter...and your brother won't mind the really expensive Christmas gifts!!
Posted by: jimi at April 28, 2004 09:30 PM (lN8eP)
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To share some similar experience, I grew up in Oakland like you and moved down to Orange County for my first high-tech job. I came back to the Bay Area after a couple years and now live in Oakland again to be close to my father who is having a harder time now. He is pretty old and my sister refuses to talk to him so I'm taking care of him which allows him to continue living somewhat independently. Since my best friend was killed in a boating accident a few years ago, that is really the only reason I'm still here. Well, that and the
I.B. Hoagies place too.
Posted by: d-rod at April 29, 2004 08:10 AM (YKu7i)
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OMG, I.B. Hoagies is the best!!!
Posted by: annika at April 29, 2004 09:52 AM (zAOEU)
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Congrats to you!
Law school is quite a challenge, but a JD is great to have despite the stress involved.
Feel free to email me with questions or concerns.
Good luck.
Posted by: Mark, J.D. at April 29, 2004 01:30 PM (Vg0tt)
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Congrats!
Go. It is the right thing to do. Just ask your Mom and Dad.
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April 26, 2004
WWI Sports History
As noted in the aftermath of Pat Tillman's death, many sports figures gave up successful careers to fight in World War Two, including baseball players Hank Greenberg, Joe DiMaggio and boxer Joe Louis.
Baseball Crank reminds us that things were no different in the Great War.
* 'Harvard Eddie' Grant, formerly an everyday third baseman for the Phillies and Reds, killed in action October 5, 1918 in the Argonne Forest.
* German-born Robert Gustave 'Bun' Troy, who made a brief appearance with the Tigers in 1912, killed in action October 7, 1918 in Petit Maujouym, in France.
* Christy Mathewson, who suffered severe health problems from which he never recovered - possibly contributing to his death in 1925 at age 45 from tuberculosis - after inhaling poison gas in a training accident. (Ty Cobb also served in the same unit).
* Grover Cleveland Alexander, who as I explained here, would probably have made it to 400 wins or close to it if he hadn't lost a year at his peak to World War I, and who suffered lasting trauma from seeing combat with an artillery outfit.
* Sam Rice, who as I explained here, missed a year following his first big season after being drafted into the Army in World War I; Rice also got a late start in the majors because heÂ’d joined the Navy at age 23 after his parents, wife and two children were killed by a tornado (Rice saw combat in the Navy, landing at Vera Cruz in 1914). Without those interruptions, Rice could easily have had 3500-3700 hits in the major leagues.
* Hall of Famer Rabbit Maranville also missed a year to the Great War, as did several others I've overlooked here. [links omitted]
Some big names there, if you follow baseball history.
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Don't forget Ted Williams who lost 5 seasons (3 for WW2, 2 for Korea)! He could have challenged Ruth for all-time HRs were it not for his service!
And Glenn Miller, of course...
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Medals Schmedals
It all depends on what the definition of 'medals' is.
i don't really give a rat's ass what Kerry threw over the fence. It's the fact that he threw anything over, and the lies he told about the men serving in Vietnam, which he has yet to apologize for, that disqualifies him from the presidency, in my opinion. Not that you asked for my opinion.
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Of course we asked for your opinion; it is important, especialy when it is on all fours with ours!
Posted by: shelly s. at April 26, 2004 11:16 AM (rZmE1)
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For me his present day "full grown and should be wiser" adult character is even more important of an issue than mistakes and deceptions he committed in 1971. He continues to lie in the present day on his website, and in an L.A. Times interview in Friday's edition, saying "I never mislead anybody." Also, his claims of a Republican plot are a stretch, as no Republican ads or campaign personnel have publically touched the "medals controversy," at least as far as I know.
Posted by: gcotharn in Texas at April 26, 2004 03:39 PM (AaBEz)
Posted by: PoliticalBlogger at April 27, 2004 12:11 PM (SfBQW)
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For the love of... PB, you do understand that all of Bush's military records have been released, don't you?
What other proof is required, I don't know.
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April 25, 2004
The Blog Warehouse
Sunday night seems to be the perfect night to cruise the blogosphere* and check out new stuff. Here's some of the good stuff i found tonight.
. . . Robofrost. i like his take on Dallas radio.
The thing about driving Dallas and its inevitably clogged highway arteries is that the Metroplex's radio stations freakin' rock, and rock hard. When I first scanned through my rental car's 10 FM radio presets, at least five blasted the bejeezus out me with heavy unadulterated loud-ass rock 'n' roll guitar. Classic, alternative, straight-up rock — you name it. Even the Christian rock station, 89.7 Power FM, completely rocked my balls off. It's nowhere near the same in cosmic cowboy Austin, so it was a blast to throw open the moon roof and rattle the asphalt and irritate some tightly wound Dallas yuppies and Range Rover soccer moms.
i don't know if that's true or not; the last time i was in Dallas, i think i was listening to country, or western, i can't remember. i was 13 at the time. But i will say, L.A. rock radio sucks, compared to almost any metropolitan area you want to name. Anyways, Robofrost's blog is pretty fresh, with some cool pictures, too. . . .
. . . Mike at Virginia Patriots explains why Iraqi mosques can be a legitimate target. . . .
. . . Matt Armstrong of Paste Magazine's blog sheds some light on an e-mail spam quirk i blogged about here. . . .
. . . All About Latvia reports that while Latvia debates its continued involvement in Iraq, the Latvian foreign minister denied a visa to an Al-Jazeera reporter without explanation. Good. If you ask me, the fact that he was from Al-Jazeera is reason enough. And in other Baltic news, Estonian blogger Tall Blonde reports an interesting statistic:
15% россиян не знают, кто такой Ленин
Scroll down to April 23 for the translation. It's Glogspot, and there don't seem to be any permalinks. . . .
. . . Snazzykat unilaterally declares this week Blogger Love-in Week!
Today - and the days hereafter (because love shouldn't be limited to one day if you don't come across this until Tuesday!) - is the start of Blogger Love-in Week. Go to each of the blogs you read and tell them why you love them so much. Then come back here and let us know you're a part of the love-in, which is sort of like a sit-in but with a lot more touchy-feely action goin' on.
i'm lagging in my own
Ecosystem stats, so i thought maybe i should compose a nice blog comment spam bomb to lay on you all. Something personal like "
i love you [
man][
girlfriend][
blogger of unknown gender]
! And here's why: [_______]."
Then i thought, bad idea. Spamming blogs with comments might cause someone to accuse me of being a "male college student capitalizing on cute pictures of his girlfriend" in order to raise my popularity on the blogosphere.
i think i'll just stick to trackback begging. (Ooops) . . .
* Some bloggers may shy away from the term "blogosphere," but i think it's quite descriptive.
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Trackbacks work every time...
I always suspected that this was a "Frank J." project, if you know what I mean... Funny how the two of you have never been seen together.
Posted by: Kevin at April 25, 2004 08:33 PM (pXSyK)
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I just listen to NPR in the mornings, Rush or Hannity when I can, and occassionally the 80's/90's mix station or country. It is better than LA and, for that matter, anything in Arizona. ...Most of the time though, I enjoy the cd player: thousands of mp3's in the order I want to hear w/ no commercials.
Posted by: Scof at April 26, 2004 07:38 AM (XCqS+)
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I read daily, and I love you. Hurrah for love-in week.
Posted by: Hugo at April 26, 2004 01:28 PM (89maB)
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You must ask the OH,
CIronie you whether united blahggers Whinge de Reich carry out such as Instajackass even the extent of it idiocy. On the one hand they are terminated esctatic and in the complete agreement with the judgements, which were made by the investigation of hat clay/tone against the BBC by its journalistic lack of integrity, what the accusations concern, the prime ministers Blair sexed upward intelligence on WMDs Iraq.
Le de Sie, which even d'Instajackass de like de Whinge de Reich carries out extent of it de blahggers d'einig d'ob que l'idiocy, must ask the OH, CIronie you. On the one hand le terminated esctatic d'Urteilen de repaire de WITH d'Abkommen de complete de l'und in de they, matrice investigation of hat clay/tone que le by de la matrice BBC de were made d'Integritaet against its journalistic lack un, était concern d'Anklagen de matrice, matrice prime ministers Blair de by de matrice sexed le upward l'auf WMDs Iraq d'Intelligenz de that.
Instajackass makes this amazing complaint natural.
Is it that this can be true? Naturally not! The problem is that it waits and sees, but continues, in order to write no little than five additional blahgeingaenge to its topic with connections at other newspapers and blahggers from Whinge de Reich, those above took back and unsubstantiated the original to publicise history. In view of the quantity of pure manufacture, which came from the journalists of Whinge de Reich, which dig by old papers of the old regime of Ba ', athist, have one could think that these persons would consider, a little to exercise a journalistic integrity of their clean. But not, it seems good, attacks it its opponents, thus, why not run with history that these persons of a crime are guilty, even if there is no convincing obviousness, in order to support it.
The fact is more amazing the fact that Instajackass is one of the delays congratulatory the individual, which had demanded that their blahgs of shitass makes a difference in the world. Not probably, if it is the kind of management libelous, becomes it to pursue. I can only hope that the investigation of hat clay/tone can save some minutes, in order to condemn the actions morally incorrect blahggers from Whinge de Reich such as Instajackass.
[Comment spam translated for clarity Engl/Fr./Ger./Engl. an.]
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Ella's Birthday
It should be noted that on this day, in 1917, the greatest singer in history was born:
Ella Fitzgerald.
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Reminds me of my favorite joke:
What's grey, wrinkled, wears a dress, and sings jazz standards?
Elephants Gerald.
Posted by: Scipio at April 26, 2004 07:29 AM (14dkq)
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Shame On You Glenn!
i'm simply embarrassed for him.
Inspired by the Alliance's Filthy Lie Assignment.
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Dear Annika:
I guess I don't get this one. Who's the guy in the "Celebrate Diversity" shirt? Who's the heifer in the leather dress? Why is he thinking about her? Why is this funny?
Sometimes, I feel like I live in an igloo on the polar cap -- pop-culture simply passes me by.
Sorry -- I'm back to reading Marcus Aurelius' "Meditations", now.....
Cheers!
- Will
Posted by: Will at April 26, 2004 09:14 AM (s9r+D)
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Sigh.
The guy in the t-shirt is Instapundit. The fat chick is a photoshopped Brittany Spears. It would take too long to explain why it's funny. Then again, if i have to explain, maybe it's not.
Posted by: annika at April 26, 2004 10:57 AM (zAOEU)
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Haven't you ever sat drinking all night across from a girl with a beautiful face only to be thrust into the quick but drunken decision mode when she stood up?
Posted by: Casca at April 26, 2004 05:32 PM (q+PSF)
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Can't say that i have, Casca.
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Dear Annika:
Ah! That explains everything (?) -- or; as Marcus would have said - "Res ipsa loquitor"....
(Of another note; good luck on your law-school decision. If I were your Dad - which I'm not - I'd say 'go for it' -- then again; my whole family has that history).
Cheers!
- Will
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Annika, sweetheart, you obviously haven't seen the InstaWife lately. Even with beer-goggles firmly in place the instageek would have better taste than Brittany...drat his luck. Maybe not luck. I heard a rumor that he built his fembot wife with nanobots in his Mom's basement after watching "Weird Science" for the 37th time. Will, or "Philosophy Guy" as he shall henceforth be known, is probably aware that "Weird Science is based on an original screenplay by Ludwig Wittgenstein.
Oh, not that you're even mildly interested at this point, but it looks more like GR is thinking: "Where did I leave my glasses? Did I leave them in the basement when I put the duct-tape on the bridge; or, did I leave them in the bathroom when I put the safety tape on the temple?"
And, now that you're not only disinterested but showing actual signs of a growing rage, I'm not you're Dad either...unless you have a mother named Traci...or Rhonda...or Beth...or is from Orlanda, FL...or, well...forget I brought it up...even though Philosophy Guy bought it up first. Law school decision...err...why not just put a scalpel to the neck of society, insert a straw and suck it dry? Just kidding. We need lawyers. Who else would we turn to protect us from lawyers? I mean, I'd really be up the creek the next time some idiot on crank drives a stolen SUV through my living room into my kitchen then sues me for violating his civil rights by not giving him fries with his take-out order if I couldn't turn to some $200/hr brainiac capable of communicating the subtle and nuanced fact that I-70 doesn't run through my yard and my name isn't Ronald Freakin' McDonald. Seriously, many productive members of society wish that they'd become lawyers instead. Pop Quiz! Which institution has produced more law degrees: A. Harvard B. Notre Dame C. San Quentin
Laugh all the way to the bank, revenge is sweet, living well is the best revenge...and being able to sleep at night with a clear conscience is as over-rated as being able to face yourself in the mirror each morning. Ignore me...I was scared by a lawyer as a child...he was serving me papers...at my birth...for preventing my mother's doctor from playing golf that afternoon...I lost everything...the bottles...the formula...the dog...I loved that dog...all I got to keep were these stinking elipses!
Posted by: Pat Rand at April 28, 2004 08:07 PM (LySid)
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April 24, 2004
Arion ater jacqchirac
Arion ater jacqchirac, a recently discovered pest, belongs to the family of spineless inverterbrates* which includes the garden slug. A voracious eater, it consumes indiscriminately and without gratitude. It secretes a disgusting oily slime that both lubricates its body and coats the path upon which it slithers.
Its tiny vestigial shell is of no use in protecting A. jacqchirac, which is why it begs shamelessly for other animals to protect its weak ass whenever it feels threatened. These particular mollusks smell bad, yet think themselves handsome. They talk tough, but inevitably cower when challenged. If you come across one, try sprinkling a little salt in its path and watch the creature squirm in pain and frustration as it tries to find a way around the simple obstacle. They move slowly and never in the right direction.
* An invertebrate is an animal without a vertebral column, or spine. Literally, it's a creature without a backbone.
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What I find disturbing is how many different species of them there are around the world. Some things just won't become extinct no matter what you do to exterminate them.
Posted by: Brent at April 24, 2004 05:17 PM (w+y2e)
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Why this rage??? Your link is dead btw. (http://www.iht.com/articles/516559.html)
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April 23, 2004
Pat Tillman
There's so much to say about
the death of Pat Tillman, and i know i can't say it all. i knew about his story before he went into the Army because i listen to
Jim Rome's show. i can remember the glowing praise Rome had for Tillman and his decision to give up his pro career to join the Army and enter Ranger training. Like Rome, i always thought he'd come back to us.
It's true that Tillman's sacrifice is equal to the sacrifice of all the brave men and women we've lost in Iraq and Afghanistan. But if there is a difference, it's that we civilians who have not been touched by any personal loss, have now been given a face to put on the sacrifice of those heroes who are over there protecting us. i feel Tillman's loss because i knew him as a fan, however remotely, and it brings home to me the sacrifices of all the men and women who have died or been injured to protect me.
Here's a very poignant salute to Pvt. Tillman written before he went overseas, which reminds us that Tillman joins the ranks of other great patriots like Ted Williams.
Here are some of the tributes coming in now.
And i want to note that Tillman was killed in action, on a mission to hunt Al Qaeda. He was literally killed in the act of protecting you and me.
Pat Tillman was my age. When 9/11 happened i, like many people i know, thought about enlisting in the armed forces. i also thought about the FBI or the CIA. But i didn't follow up on anything. There were others who joined and would join. i had my life and my plans, and my patriotic fervor subsided in time. Not that i ever became un-patriotic, but let's just say i chose not to make the personal sacrifice.
Pat Tillman did. And not only did he give up the comfy bed and the new wife and the safety of life in the U.S., he gave up millions of dollars too. Not only that, he was in the NFL. It's not just money. It's fame, too. He gave up the adoration that anybody who's ever played the game of football knows is one of the great perks of the sport. Chicks dig football players. i was a cheerleader, i know. Even a married guy like Tillman must have appreciated the rare power to turn heads in any bar or restaurant simply because they are in the NFL.
If somebody offered me three mil to join the Army, i would have done it in a heartbeat. But Tillman did just the opposite. He gave up an NFL contract for the opportunity to risk his life. Why? Because he loved America, and he had a sense of duty so great that i can't even comprehend it. And he not only risked his life, he gave it.
i know that somewhere up there this morning, Ted Williams is buying a beer for Pat Tillman and saying "good job soldier." God bless him.
More: i've been somber and teary-eyed all day, because of the news. Today being casual Friday, i took my usual Friday lunchtime power walk around Century City. i listened to Sean Hannity on my walkman. Of course he was talking about Pat Tillman, and saying the nicest things about our people serving in the military. That made me even sadder. Then he played Toby Keith's beautiful song "American Soldier" and i totally lost it.
Oh, and I don't want to die for you,
But if dyin's asked of me,
I'll bear that cross with honor,
'Cause freedom don't come free.
There i was, sitting on the curb in front of the mall, with tears streaming down my face. i looked like a mess. The poor valet guy had to ask me if i needed help. It was embarrassing; i'm not normally an emotional person. But all i could think about was how much i love and appreciate the people serving in our armed forces. i really do, i love them all. If it takes Pat Tillman's death to really bring that home to me, there's one good thing that comes out of his loss.
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Well said, Annika. The best I've read about it today so I won't even try to to express my feelings here.
Posted by: Blake at April 23, 2004 11:41 AM (AKSiu)
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He was always a class act during the usually ugly UofAz/ASU rivalry games. He lived a great life and will be missed. I've been thinking of joining up for a while now, I'm for the war, might as well walk the walk...we'll see, but I'm seeing things each week that are pointing me in that direction.
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As a Christian pacifist,I cannot support the use of force in the cause for which Pat Tillman died.
But I can honor the example of placing duty before personal gain, of placing simplicity before luxury. As a Mennonite football fan, I really dug the way he lived so at odds with typical NFL stars. I grieve the loss of a man who played a violent game and died a violent death, but who was always willing to embrace such a humble lifestyle.
Posted by: Hugo at April 23, 2004 01:48 PM (We/wN)
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You've put this better than I probably ever could, Annika, so thanks. Words fail.
If you want to put your own particular talents and education to work in the service of the country, there's always JAG after law school. God knows if I could ever get myself back into decent shape, I'd still probably do it.
Posted by: Dave J at April 23, 2004 03:01 PM (VThvo)
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That was wonderfully written and expresses why the nation is reacting so strongly.
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Posted by: Brent at April 23, 2004 07:49 PM (w+y2e)
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I am a big guy. I am NFL Noseguard sized. And I am a rugged guy. You'd be pretty happy to walk into the dark alley with me by your side. And I'm pretty much a guy's guy. I'm not a patient listener when the women begin chitchatting about who is dating who and who might get a divorce, and I flatly refuse to enter a department store in the company of my girlfriend or, for that matter, any woman whatsoever.
And since 9/11 I have had, I don't know, maybe a dozen spontaneous crying jags like you experienced outside Century City. Probably more, I haven't counted. Triggered by a song; or a photograph; or a story; in which almost anyone displays selflessness or courage or devoted love for a family member. I've halfway got tears in my eyes now typing this and just thinking about it.
When I saw the citizens of Comfort, TX standing by roads and waving flags during the funeral procession their fallen neighbor, I cried enough to wet an entire bath towel. I love my country, and I love my fellow citizens, and I love you guys on this blog.
Heck of it is, I'm only working on my first beer of the night. You'd think this was a 4 beer post b/c it's so sappy!
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Guys like Pat Tillman only come along once in a while. In a world full of ersatz bullshit, he was the real deal, and in death will transcend. He's a good face for all those folks who pull the wagon in this world. May God bless him and his. He will be missed.
Posted by: Casca at April 24, 2004 03:16 AM (DGeKw)
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A very touching and personal remembrance, both in the essay and reader comments. It's truly remarkable how Tillman's death has stirred our country. I've put up an essay as well -- as have many others, I'm sure -- but I'm sure moved by the compelling, thoughtful writing here at annika's.
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Wow, what a great thing to read. I went to high school with Pat and Kevin and I am so honored tohave known them. I heard the news the morning of when I got a call from a friend of ours in high school and that day all I could do was what News and hear all I could. The news doesn't tellus anything I was so sad so I turned to home videos from high school..Pat wasn't on them but Kevin was and it helped ease the pain and brought back good memories so ever since I have found sites like this to help get through my day. Reality has hit home and it hurts. the service is still to come so we will see how that goes! Keep up the great support even if you disagreee with war we are there, there's nothin we can to to stop it so stand united and get our guys and gals home safe!!!!!
Posted by: Janae at April 28, 2004 04:21 PM (s6c4t)
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When I served in the US Army during the first Bush War, almost every single soldier I knew and served with joined the US Army for the exact same reason: to make a better life for themselves and their family.
Truth betold, for many soldiers enlistment is their last option to make a good life.
But Pat Tillman didn't join to make a better life for himself or his family. He enlisted to make a better life for the rest of us. And that sets him apart...a hero that even other heroes look up to.
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XM-8 Question
One advantage to having this blog is my wealth of readers with superior ballistic knowledge. So, i ask you
Publicola,
Rustler,
et al.: is
the hype i've been reading about the soon to be available XM-8 true? Or is it all hype? i already know how most users feel about the M-16. Would the XM-8, in either the 5.56mm or 6.8mm version, solve our problem?
It sure is a science fictioney looking thing.
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Posted by: Tiger at April 22, 2004 04:56 PM (G5PGV)
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The only gun I know how to shoot doesn't even squirt straight.
Posted by: d-rod at April 22, 2004 06:02 PM (N7QC9)
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Annika,
I wouldn't rely heavily on Mr. Tierney's analysis.
One seemingly implausible claim is that the M-16 caused the deaths of THOUSANDS of are soldiers. I'm not sure of the exact numbers, but we've probably lost about 60k men to combat action since the inception of major combat in Vietnam. Tierney doesn't attribute a thousand deaths, two thousand deaths but multiple thousands, we must assume he means at least 3k or more.
-I doubt the M-16 is directly responsible for one of every 20 KIAs. First the M-16 was initially used by the Air Force, only in '66 did the Army request 100k M-16s for service in Vietnam. Thousands had already perished before the mouse-gun was deployed. Second a substancial portion of troups carried: M-60s; M-79 (thump guns); M-870 Mk 1 shotguns; M-3 (grease guns); M-14s; and even Stoner 63s, after the M-16 had been fully fielded. Removing these would shift the percentage even higher. I hate to trifle when the numbers represent our fallen countrymen, but these things do require a cold scientific approach, if only to draw the correct conclusions and prevent further, avoidable, injuries.
-I actually favor a switch to either the 6.5x45 Grendel or the 6.8x45 Rem., if thier bullets are optimized for military roles. However, the assertation that the 5.56x45 firing M193 BALL or M855 ammo, is a varmint gun is somewhat dubious, the site ammo-oracle.com has an indepth explaination of the cartridge/bullet's external and all important terminal ballistic characteristics.
-Briefly, a projectile with higher energy, say, the 7.62x51 round fired from a M-14 or M-60, always has the potential to exihibit more penetration or trauma but usually not both. Unfortunately, the potential isn't realized in the M-80 BALL ammo, in use throughout Vietnam to present-day. The aforementioned M-855 varmint round will penetrate more steel at greater ranges than the M-80 BALL round. Further the M-193 varmint round can cause greater tissue trauma, sub 300m, than the M-80 BALL. That's not debatable, it's demonstrable. So the current varmint ammo may not be a man-stopper but it's better than the inefficient 7.62 rounds used extensively in Vietnam. Obviously the 7.62, 6.8, 6.5 rounds could surpass the performance of the 5.56 varmint round, but in the wars we've fought in the past the fragmenting M-193 varmint bullet had the ability to stop charlie, better than the admittedly more manly 7.62.
-All aside, we have the ability to provide better rifles to those who defend us. I think the Brits did a study in the 50s regarding the most effiecient calibre and arrived at a conclusion about 7mm wide, 6.8 is definately in the park. Personally I'd like to see it chambered in a Stoner 63 variant or maybe even a G-3 type, with the barrel shifted closer to centre-line, like the M-16.
Sorry 'bout the length, but you did ask...?
Jasen
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Sorry, I meant to type our, not are.
All appologies for any other speling or gramatical erors.
Jasen
Posted by: Jasen at April 22, 2004 07:05 PM (4kWmy)
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Annie,
Mr. Tierney's rant isn't very useful. I think much of it is exaggerated, some of it inaccurate, and it focuses on some problems that were fixed long ago. As one example, to my knowledge the claim that the M16 was designed to "allow smaller and younger troops to . . . spray rounds without tiring" is pure crap. The smaller, lighter weapon was meant to be less fatiguing to lug around for weeks at a time, and more maneuverable in tight spaces. If you've never carried a 10-pound rifle all day, you can't appreciate what a tiring pain in the ass it really is. The smaller rounds were intended to permit soldiers to carry more ammo for the same weight. And there's nothing inherently wrong with the idea that each rifleman ought to be able to quickly pump numerous shots into the enemy, or lay down a blanket of suppressive fire with his shoulder weapon. The fact that (besides artillery, of course) machineguns dominated the battlefields of the last century proves that full-auto fire is not inherently a bad thing. If some troops substituted "spray and pray" for aimed fire when it was inappropriate to do so, that was a training and discipline problem, not a design flaw.
But none of that means the M16 is the ideal weapon.
As for reliability,
no weapon never fails. And anytime a weapon fails in combat, soldiers are going to bitch, and their buddies are going to pick up the tune and bitch some more. That's understandable: People get touchy when their lives are on the line. But it does tend to distort the magnitude of the problem, I think. All that said, though, some weapons
do fail more regularly than others, and the good ones don't do it often if properly cared for. So we shouldn't just shrug our shoulders if there really is a problem.
The 16 has a reputation among some folks for having a reliability problem. And it may be more than just soldiers bitching. The 16 traded reliability for accuracy, probably to a greater extent than is justified in a general issue combat rifle. There are some things about the rifle that don't make much sense, like the fact that the gas tube vents into the chamber, and deposits most of the fouling there. This gas system contributes to accuracy in that the moving parts don't begin to move until the bullet has left or very nearly left the barrel. But common sense dictates that this system will make for a weapon that dirties rapidly and is liable to experience reliability problems if not cleaned religously. A design that uses a traditional operating rod setup vents the fouling through the bore. It is less accurate, but it'll take a long time for the buildup of powder residue to affect reliability. It's simply a more robust system. The feature about the M1/M14 rifles that I least care for (the fact that the bolt mechanism is exposed to the elements), which also affects reliability, is not present in the XM8. So, yes, I think the XM8 is likely to be better than the M16 in terms of reliability.
In terms of lethality, I'll say this: All else being equal, a bigger hole makes for more blood loss and better odds of hitting something vital, both of which lead to greater odds of rapid incapacitation and death. Again, all else being equal, 6.8mm makes a bigger permanent wound cavity than 5.56mm. But since we're talking ball ammo in
whatever cartridge we decide upon, I feel obligated to note that the difference is, as a practical matter, pretty darned small. Just a tad over 1mm in diameter. 1/25 of an inch. We're still a long way from 120 or 155mm.
IMHO, bullet design is the single most important factor in terminal ballistics. If we're really serious about improving lethality, we should be working hard to engineer bullets that create enormous permanent wound cavities. (There are already many such bullets on the commercial market.) Unfortunately, we're squeamish about that so it's unlikely to happen. To be fair, there's also the issue of penetration: Bullets that create the types of wounds I'm talking about don't generally don't penetrate hard objects very well. Penetration can be a useful thing on the battlefield. It's very hard to create bullets that hold together well enough to penetrate hard cover, then expand and/or fragment in soft tissue. (I say "very hard" instead of "impossible" because I have great faith in American ingenuity. I suspect we could do it, if we really wanted to. We've already managed to produce "glass" that stops bullets fired from one side, while letting people on the other side fire through the glass at their attackers.)
There are some other issues I won't bother with now. The bottom line is that the XM8 might well be an improvement on the 16 in terms of reliability, and perhaps marginally so in terms of lethality. But I don't think it's a magic wand that's going to solve all the infantryman's problems.
Posted by: Matt Rustler at April 22, 2004 07:55 PM (of2d1)
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I love HK. They make good, well engineered weapons. But it's dumb to field weapons during wartime to troops who haven't trained with them.
The original M16 was a great guard duty weapon. The M16A1 was a mediocre battlfield weapon, but it was easy to teach to unskilled shooters and chicks. The M16A2 is significantly different from its preceding variants, heavier & longer barrel, muzzle brake, better sighting, more durable and light to carry.
Finally, the 5.56 nato round does not tumble in flight. It often tumbles after hitting a target because of it's high velocity, thus causing some pretty destructive effects.
Posted by: Casca at April 22, 2004 08:00 PM (q+PSF)
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Nice, excellent information all around, Jasen, Matt and Casca. i was right to take that article with a grain of salt. When it comes to gun issues, that's the one thing i've learned from the blogosphere. But none of you mentioned how the XM-8 looks like it should be on Star Trek.
Casca, i was taught that tumbling bullet nonsense in a college history class and i thought it sounded funny when i first heard it.
Posted by: annika! at April 22, 2004 08:45 PM (zAOEU)
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Yikes, it's 8:45 and i'm still at work! i gotta go! Overtime sucks, except on payday.
Posted by: annika! at April 22, 2004 08:48 PM (zAOEU)
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the short answer is yep: the XM8 would solve some if not most of the problems troops have with the M16. But the cartridge is almost as critical as the platform it's fired from, so unless they make the move to the 6.8 or some other more effective cartridge then it's gonna be less than ideal.
I'm working on a more detailed response but it might take a few days or a week to get to ya.
About some of the comments here:
Cut Tierney some slack. A WW2 vet is gonna be aged. Yep he got some facts wrong & others backwards but he at least remembers the Garand was a superior weapon.
The "thousands" estimate seems plausible since he said that was over the last 40 years or so - not just limited to Viet-Nam. Face it - the '16 jamming up has gotten a lot of our people killed. Now maybe they would have been killed anyway but considering the '16's design it'd be safe to say that it was at least a partial cause.
The 5.56x45's nearest civy equivilent (the .223 Remington) is a varming cartridge. In civilian guise it's probably got an edge over the 5.56x45mm simply because expanding bullets can be used. It being equal or better than the intermediate or full powered .30 caliber cartridges is something I'd only expect to hear from people in ammo companies that only make 6mm & smaller cartridges. Muzzle energy & velocity aren't the most reliable means of judging stopping power so I won't bore anyone with reciting muzle energies or velocities. I will say that more than a few states outlaw hunting deer sized game with a .223 Remington. & if it won't humanely put down deer sized game I'd say that'd be a good indication that it lacks something as a man-stopper.
The idea that nothing is wrong with laying down suppresing fire is sound: however the main contention I & many others have with full auto weapons on the front line isn't that they aren't necessary - it's that the military focuses on this to the neglect of accurate aimed fire. Full auto is fine with the proper training, but it shouldn't ever take the place of basic marksmanship which some people fear happens when you hand a soldier a rifle that is full auto. Personally I'd rather see a fire team with 1 full auto & the rest semi's but then again I'm so old fashioned I'm still wondering why the Garand is a surplus item.
Oh as an aside there is at leats one company & possibly several advertising a "msart" bullet. It's supposed to penetrate hard surfaces while expanding in softer surfaces. I think Cor-Bon had something to do with it but I'm nto certain - but I do believe it's just a pistol bullet proposition for now at least.
& I don't think the bolt "exposed to the elements" is really that big of a deal. But then again I favor a rifle with that attribute - e-mail me if you wish to argue endlessly & mercilessly ont he pro's & cons of that system.
& yes - it does look like something the Federation would use (despite Kirk's objections) but I don't think the XM8 would be tame enough for the Federation.
Just ask 40 of D..er, 7 of 9.
Posted by: Publicola at April 23, 2004 12:24 AM (Aao25)
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Ooops! I forgot to mention my one big bitch about the XM8: Where are the friggin' sights? All I see is that optical thingy. Not good.
Ancient Marine Corps wisdom, undoubtedly equally applicable to other services:
Lock a lance corporal in an empty closet with three ball bearings. Return in one hour. He will have broken one, lost one, and sold one.
The same applies to any piece of gear we issue, including rifles. If we're going to go with optical sights on a general issue combat rifle, it better have a robust, effective backup system of iron sights. I see no such system on the XM8.
Posted by: Matt at April 23, 2004 07:22 AM (CF/QI)
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Oh, and one other thing:
Publicola, you say whatever you want about the other services; I don't know anything about their marksmanship training. But if you ever again suggest that my beloved Marine Corps focuses on full auto "to the neglect of accurate aimed fire," we're gonna have a problem! ;-) Nothing could be further from the truth, with respect to the Corps.
Posted by: Matt at April 23, 2004 07:30 AM (CF/QI)
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i love you Publicola. But i think you're slipping. It took you seven sentences to mention the Garand this time! LOL
(You know i'm kidding you babe)
Posted by: annika at April 23, 2004 11:13 AM (zAOEU)
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Matt,
The Corps is the best of all the services as far as teaching the time honored basics. However I think if you compare their standards today to the standards they had 50 years ago you'll see their slipping a bit - not nearly as fast as the Army but I think there's a notacible decrease in marksmanship standards.
This is based on my observations of some friends of mine in the Corps. They're down at Paris Island & Cherry Point currently if that makes any difference. From conversations with them I've been told that the amount of practice as well as the requirements for qualification aren't what I'd expect from the Corps. & again from conversations with them the reasons for this drop range from simply not scheduling enough practice during the year to adjusting the standards so a lower common denominator can qualify. It's not that the standards are unacceptable - it's that they're approaching that.
But I'll grant that this is purely anecdotal. If you have any hard stats I'd be more than happy to retract. The Corps is still trying to live up to that idea that every Marine is a rifleman (or riflewoman) first, but they seem to be succombing (albeit much slower) to the general decrease in marksmanship skill that the other branches are prone to.
Now in the Corps' case this may not have anything to do with the accurate aimed fire v. emphasis on the 3 shot burst/full auto technique, but my original comment was about the military in general & most specifically about the commanders who decide what techiniques to employ & teach - not the Corps specifically.
& I'll even grant that it's a perceptual thing - that my idea of the Corps is elevated beyond the reality therefore I'm surprised there isn't a more rigorous standard for marksmanship.
Course I see we're gonna be arguing about this one (& I'm not above being convinced I'm wrong about the Corps) but don't think I'm trying to slam the Corps. They're the branch of service I respect the most. I just think compared to what the standards used to be they're slacking off a bit.
Annika,
Well I figured you'd expect a gratuitous Garand mention in the first para, so I thought I'd sneak it in further down & catch you off guard. Course as observant as you usually are I'm surprised you haven't noticed that I haven't mentioned Chief Joseph in a while.
Posted by: Publicola at April 23, 2004 01:48 PM (Aao25)
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Publicola,
-I broach the field of your expertise with humility and a little caution, and I do not work for a company which only manufactures sub-calibre ammo. Yet the current M855 BALL ammo does out perform the M80 round, in terms of penetrating mild-steel. I've witnessed it. I know you'd never own or fire a .22 cal battle rifle, but if you borrowed one you could, buy a box of milspec 855s, pay a transient to fire it into a sample of plate at say 450m and compare it with some surplus M80. I will concede the M80 better penetrates other dense media at extended ranges.
-Regarding the slight advantage you attribute to varmint ammo (polymer tip, H.P.?)over military FMJ, your not fully grasping the reactions which occur when the M193 or to a lesser extent M855 projectile transitions into fluids that are significantly denser than air. The projectile tip in a spitzer round has less mass, therefore less kinetic energy, than the base. This causes the tip to decelerate faster than the base creating a violent yaw, as the bullet attempts to assume an ass forward progression, and this happens in all spitzer type FMJ bullets. At high velocities the milspec 556 FMJ bullet (as it's designed) fragments explosively when extreme lateral forces, encountered during the yaw phase, tear the projectile apart. This creates huge areas of damage deep in the target, much greater than the non-frag M80. The current M80 ammo simply punches it's pencil sized hole through the target, if it misses a vital organ or system by an inch, then it's 'just a flesh wound'. What I'm saying is the U.S. military has used 'exploding ammo' since the 60s, I call it the FMJ/Hague/DumDum loophole.
-I still think we should up-gun to a 6mm minimum, just make sure the bullets can continue to transport the militants back to Valhalla, er Paradise er the 12th century, whatever.
-I didn't write this to take-a-stab at an honorable old veteran, if it appeared so I regret that. About the Garand, hallowed be it's name, what do you suppose the outcome in Somalia, '93, if the Garand had been deployed.
Thanks Annika,
Jasen
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-Publicola the 60k KIA guess was inclusive of all officially sanctioned U.S. combat, Vietnam foward. I'd think our Indochine envolvement accounts for at least 95% in the last 40 years anyway.
-Caska,
-The A2 doesn't have a muzzle-brake, just a suppressor. And the M855 ammo will tumble, if fired from a -16A1; the twist rate is two low to stablize the longer projectile. But your correct, and the myth of tumbling bullets was believed to be the source of the 556s destructive capability, which seemed inproportionate to it's small calibre.
Posted by: Jasen at April 23, 2004 03:29 PM (BbaG6)
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Jasen,
3% of 60,000 is 1,800 right? So I think it is stil plausible that "thousands" of deaths could be attributed to poor performance of the '16 & its cartridge. Unfortunately unless you find a body with a '16 that's obviously jammed & make note of it then it's difficult to say if the weapon or some other factor contributed to the death.
& I have fired Ar-15's before & I'm not necessarily opposed to owning a .22 rifle. The '16 probably wouldn't be my first choice but as long as it's regulated to hunting & target shooting I don't have much of an issue with the '16 & its civilian variants.
However I must point out an oxymoron: "... .22 caliber battle rifle..."
I have read reports that the 5.56 can out-pentrate the 7.62 in mild steel at limited ranges. It's just that a small increase in close range steel penmtration doesn't make up for the 5.56mm's other inadequacies.
Also I'm aware of the tumbling effect of the 5.56 in soft media. But again I think that it's not a sufficient gain over what we were using before, let alone what we could be using now.
& the varmint ammo I referred to was of the hollowpoint variety. You can speak of tumbling & subsequent fragmentation but I think a more startling example is what a modern premium hollowpoint does when it strikes tissue. Most varmint bullets are designed to expand mega-violently. This is to minimize richochets as well as ensure a quick end to the varmint in question. I'm sure a mil-surp FMJ would kill a ground hog quickly, but I doubt it would cause the critter to literally explode the way a modern hollowpoint can. Of course for increased expansion there's a trade off in penetration so a modern varming round might not be ideal for military service where hard & soft targets are encountered. But if a soft target is all you have to face then I think an expanding hollowpoint would create a bigger stretch cavity as well as more permanent wound channels due to its violent fragmentation.
But keep in mind that people like us have been arguing on what makes a bullet a better man stopper &/or combat round since sometime in the 1700's.
About Somalia...tell the truth I'm not to hip on the details of that particular engagement. But except for situations where a submachine gun would be ideal (i.e. clearing a house), I think a Garand would have served our troops better than the '16. Aside from its advantegous when fired, should you run out of ammo a Garand makes a better bayonet pltform than the '16 & if it comes down to it the Garand makes for a much sturdier club. But i think it's obvious around here (& most of the free world) that I have a bias for the Garand & against the '16, so take it with as much salt as you like.
Posted by: Publicola at April 23, 2004 04:25 PM (Aao25)
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Good God, how'd I get in here in the battle of the blowhards?
Jason - You're just fucking wrong on the muzzle brake issue. And I'll be glad to take your money if you want to put it where your mouth is. The A1 has a flash suppressor with about six vents spaced evenly around it for disapating gas. The A2 has about 3 vents in the flash suppressor which ARE a muzzle brake, and aid quicker site picture recovery during rapid fire.
Publicola - How you do go on. Lots of guys smarter than you or I, and with nothing else to do, figure out what weapons mix our troops need, and for the most part, that is what they have. All things considered, the M16A2 is a great weapon; light, easy to use, and easily taught. Before you start making pronouncements of what other people should carry, try reading "The Soldiers Load and The Mobility of a Nation" by SLA Marshall.
Posted by: Casca at April 24, 2004 03:55 AM (DGeKw)
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Two more things...
1. Using DODICs (Department of Defense Identification Code) to identify ammo is fetishistic. Why not say, "The 5.56 variant used in the Squad Automatic Weapon" instead of M855? It "tumbles in flight" when fired from an A1? Perhaps, but since nobody but fucking nobody uses the A1 anymore, and nobody would fire that round through it in any case unless under the most dire of circumstances, since it would require that the round be de-linked from the belt that it comes in. What's the point? The A1 tumbles in flight too.
2. Troops killed because of the M16. In general, I don't buy it at all. Maybe before the forward assist was installed, but there were other problems too, like the 20-round box magazine, and as I said before, handing a new weapon to troops in the field in any case is dicey.
Posted by: Casca at April 24, 2004 04:40 AM (DGeKw)
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Caska,
-I'm sorry, but you are wrong; the A2 doesn't have a muzzle brake. It has a flash suppressor that vents slightly more gas upward, which COMPENSATES for muzzle rise; it doesn't diminish perceived recoil. Muzzle brakes, however do reduce felt recoil, and 'thats their whole damn raison d'etre'. Brakes either have ported bores that vent gasses before the projectile exits the rifling or they use a series of external fins, usually set at 90 degrees or less to the longitudinal axis of the bore's progression. When the expanding gas impinges on these fins, part of it's energy is converted into forward force, acting to counter the rearward motion of the rifle. The A2's suppressor doesn't employ either mechanism.
-Using the term M855 may seem 'fetishistic'. But for brevity's sake it works better than saying, '5.56 variant used in the Squad Automatic Weapon'. The length would've been compounded further when I, for clarity, had to subtract the other variants currently used in the S.A.W., namely, the M856 tracer, and the M995 AP. I'm also not fond of the grade-school color terminology: green tip; orange tip; black tip respectively. First the colors aren't universally exclusive and it sounds redneckesque, hay bud got eny o' dem dar green tips yer inersted in sellin'.
-I tossed in the bit about 'the 5.56 variant used in the Squad Automatic Weapon' because people often have fired the longer bullets in a rifle with a low rate of twist, and it erroneously reinforces the tumbling lore of the Vietnam era bullets. Many do still use the A1, I mentioned it for their benefit.
Annika, you shoud known better than to bait your readers with topics like this, burning that precious bandwidth and all.
Jasen
Posted by: Jasen at April 24, 2004 11:25 AM (k857k)
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Casca,
You know, lots of people smarter than you & i with nothing else to do figure out what laws we need & who our representitives should be....
Now do you see how flawed that premise is?
I haven't read Marshall's book but I'm familiar with most (if not all) theories concerning the equipment of the individual soldier. & I have a little experience - ya see coming from a long line of rednecks I know what it's like to carry a long gun & ammo whilst trapsing through the mountains. I'll grant tht I've never done it trying to cover x miles per day but still I understand what it's like for a long gun to weight down on ya as you're trying to quickly scramble up a hill.
Now lemme clue you into this: despite the level of expertice involved in reaching a decision, everybody else & his/her brother has the perogative to second guess said decision. You do it in some situations just as we all do. Arguing the merits of a decision by those who are supposed to have some level of expertice is not only okay, but often necessary. I hate to break this to ya but sometimes the experts are wrong. Remember the new formula for Coke that came out a few years back? Bunch of experts thought it'd catch on. It sank. But they were in a psuedo free market & said market, filled with people not as smart as the designers of the new Coke, made those experts realize that they made a boo boo.
If you like the '16 & it's cartridge that's cool. If you wish to argue its merits & the lack thereof that's cool as well. I'll be more than happy to debate you over this & several other related issues. But chill with the "blowhard" bit & don't expect to be taken seriously if your argument is that smarter guys than us made a decision & we shouldn't question it.
Posted by: Publicola at April 24, 2004 12:28 PM (Aao25)
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Ech, you two are a waste of time. A muzzle brake does not only serve to deminish recoil. It also serves to steady the weapon, and I suggest that you google "muzzle brake and M16A2".
Publicola - Nice lawyerly twist of the argument. Apples and oranges, you're still a blowhard, and might I add supercilious jackass. Like I said, you carry an M1. The M16 is an all around superior weapon, and nobody is paying YOU to decide what Joe Shittheragman ought to be carrying.
Posted by: Casca at April 26, 2004 05:47 PM (q+PSF)
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Casca,
A compensator reduces the amount of climb at the muzzle by directing gases upward. It does not diminish preceived recoil, it redirects it slightly.
A muzzle brake redirects gases in order to reduce felt recoil.
A flash suppresor vents gases in such as way as to prevent a flash from occuring in front of the front sight (it doesn't eliminate all flash as is the popular belief).
So you would be correct in saying that a compensator/flash hider combo would allow for a quicker second shot, but because it reduces the amount of muzzle climb, not recoil.
But it's so nice of you to try to bring a discussion down to the level of ad hominem attacks because you disagree with (or don't understand) the arguments.
If you wish to act like an adult I'll be more than happy to continue the argument. If not you hang on to your '16 all ya want - just don't come crying to me when you're 200 yards inside soemone's range cause they have a Garand or M1A or FAL but they're still 100 yards outside of your range 'cause you have a varmint cartridge.
Equally don't lemme hear you bitchin when you get off two mags & then have to field strip the damn thing to clear the jam that just put you out of the fight.
But especially don't commence with the cryin' & moaning cause two people who actually understand what they're arguing about can do it w/o getting all pissed off & calling each other names.
Posted by: Publicola at April 26, 2004 06:40 PM (Aao25)
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Coming in a little late here. The present 5.56 (M855) penetrates better than 7.62 ball because 7.62 ball is state of the art 1930s design. With a similar design applied to M80 ball, it would do better. Close up, M14s can turn cover into concealment and, as more than a few people who had experience with both states, "really knocks them out of the trees". And I have years of very specific stories from relatives in the military in the late 1960s and early 1970s of M16 failures in and out of combat. Some of these turned into reports that they still have copies of. I know that the M16 today is a decent weapon, but it still fires a very small, light bullet, and even the MK262s only somewhat make up for this. Why not 165+ grains at 2800 fps as opposed to 77 grains at 2900 fps? You can get sound supressors that act as brakes and most people find an M14 to be reasonable *with* *training* and we still have about 800k M14s. It is high time to go back to a cartridge that can reach out and it is high time to get back to a gun with an op rod.
Posted by: lateniteguy at April 27, 2004 04:19 PM (H+Nkw)
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Another Officer Lost
Yet another senseless killing of a peace officer in Los Angeles occurred this week.
Last night at 3:00 a.m. they arrested a sixteen year old, who just wanted to kill a cop. Any cop. California Highway Patrol officer Thomas Steiner was walking out of the Pomona courthouse after testifying on some routine traffic ticket cases. The wrong place at the wrong time. He was thirty-five years old and the father of two sons. i've been to the Pomona courthouse and it is a rough neighborhood, as i recall. i hate to hear about these things.
In a related story, California's lesser of two evils: Diane Feinstein, every now and then says or does something that i like.
U.S. Sen. Dianne Feinstein drew a standing ovation with her statement that a police officer's death is 'the special circumstance called for by the death penalty law.' Outside the church, Feinstein said she never would have endorsed [San Francisco D.A.] Harris had she known her opposition to the death penalty extended to officers.
Story here.
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Another example ofDiFi's hypocrisy: a cop is murdered in cold blood & that's justifiable grounds for the death penalty, but it wouldn't be if it was a mere peasan..er, citizen.
One of the big problems with our society & government is we have de facto special classes of citizens. Serving politicians & law enforcement officers often receive sepcial attention &/or privileges that aren't offered to the ordinary citizen.
Cop or politician accidentally takes a gun into the airport & they're detained for a few minutes while their creds are checked & then they're let go. Ordinary citizen forgets he/she has a .357 snubby in his/her carry-on & it's a felony charge.
I regret that the cop in question was murdered just as I regret every other citizen who was murdered.
Posted by: Publicola at April 22, 2004 02:23 PM (Aao25)
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Hear, hear! On this, Publicola and I are in complete agreement.
Posted by: Matt Rustler at April 22, 2004 08:31 PM (of2d1)
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I agree that all murders should be treated alike, but cop or no, you aren't suggesting that a 16-year-old kid should be executed?
Posted by: Dawn Summers at April 23, 2004 08:54 AM (HLOeu)
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It's been announced that the 16 year old will not face the death penalty in this case. However, i would have no problem with executing him, given the facts as i heard them. And i'd feel the same way if he were out to kill a civilian just for the hell of it, too.
Posted by: annika at April 23, 2004 11:17 AM (zAOEU)
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If a 16 year old is competent enough to take someone else's life intentionally then he's competent enough to face the consequences.
I did many things when I was 16 that I regret, but I was old enough to know better. I cannot see how a murder can be chalked up to a mistake of youth or that a person should not face the same penalties as anyone else because of his age.
So yep, if the 16 year old in question did murder someone in cold blood sans any mitigating circumstances then he should receive the death penalty. If we had a fool proof method of rehabilitation then perhaps we could do away with the detah penalty altogether, but unless human nature radically changes that's not going to happen. The death penalty is the only guaranteed method to ensure that a person won't commit a heinous act again. It's regretable that a 16 year old should be killed because of this, but less so than said 16 year old imposing his own desire to play God with another persons life.
It may seem cold but its the only way to be just.
Is there some compelling reason why a 16 year old murderer should be treated differently than a 26 year old murderer?
Posted by: Publicola at April 23, 2004 04:38 PM (Aao25)
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Well, as long as everyone is asking, yes, there is acompelling reason why a 16 year old killer should be treated differently that than one who has attained majority.
The law of the State of California does not permit a person who has not attained majority to be exececuted. Period.
And, since one cannot be denied bail in the event of a non-death penalty matter, the little shit is entitled to be released on "reasonable bail". That term is subject to some interpretation, but the punch line is that it has to be reasonably calculated to compel his return to court.
Remembr the Luster older brat that got out on a million and skipped to Mexico"? That judge didn't have to let him go for that cheap, but the lawyers convinced the judge to let him out. That comes from having Democrats in the statehouse.
This little shit will get a 24/7 tail, or have a home detention anklet, or something, but if his folks put up their house and everything they own, he might get out.
If he does, don't be surprised if he has an accident. Our police folks around here don't much like what he did.
Posted by: shelly s. at April 24, 2004 12:59 PM (AaBEz)
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Shelly S,
Sorry - because there's a law that prohibits or prescribes it just isn't a compelling reason.
There are many, many laws in the state of California which should be ignored & or disregarded because they are based on flawed reasoning. Ditto for most other states & double ditto for the feds. If you wish I'll be more than happy to discuss in great & painfully boring detail most of the laws which should be ignored.
Now you may argue that for good or bad we are bound by the law & thus it compells us, but this isn't a discussion of law as it stands; rather it's a discussion of what should be.
So tell me why you think the law prohibiting the execution of those under 18 is a good thing.
Posted by: Publicola at April 24, 2004 01:34 PM (Aao25)
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Who said I thought it a good thing? Not I. Many of our 16 year olds are hardened cons, and they should be executed for doing this stuff if they are 10 for my money.
But, considering the political climate here in the People's Republic of California, you go change the law; I just don't have the energy. But, maybe, paraphrasing what Condi Rice said the other day, it takes an overwhelming catastrophe to get things changed. So, perhaps now is the time. You start the initiative, I'll donate and sign the petition.
Posted by: shelly s. at April 24, 2004 01:45 PM (rZmE1)
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The death penalty is a great thing. If it is applied to everyone who is guilty, and not just those who are not rich or white enough to escape it.
No such thing as a repeat offender after the death penalty is given.
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The Magnificent Bastards
The "Magnificent Bastards" is the moniker of the historic Second Battalion of the Fourth Marine Regiment.
Rush Limbaugh read this message at the end of his show today. It was written by the 2/4's CO and upon hearing it, i was filled with pride and gratitude at the power and sacrifice of these wonderful Marines:
Early in the morning we exchanged gunfire with a group of insurgents without significant loss. As morning progressed, the enemy fed more men into the fight and we responded with stronger force. Unfortunately, this led to injuries as our Marines and sailors started clearing the city block by block. The enemy did not run; they fought us like soldiers. And we destroyed the enemy like only Marines can. By the end of the evening the local hospital was so full of their dead and wounded that they ran out of space to put them. Your husbands were awesome all night they stayed at the job of securing the streets and nobody challenged them as the hours wore on. They did not surrender an inch nor did flinch from the next potential threat. Previous to yesterday the terrorist thought that we were soft enough to challenge. As of tonight the message is loud and clear that the Marines will not be beaten.
Today the enemy started all over again, although with far fewer numbers, only now the rest of the battalion joined the fight. Without elaborating to much, weapons company and Golf crushed their attackers with the vengeance of the righteous. They filled up the hospitals again and we suffered only a few injuries. Echo company dominated the previous day's battlefield. Fox company patrolled with confidence and authority; nobody challenged them. Even Headquarters Company manned their stations and counted far fewer people openly watching us with disdain. If the enemy is foolish enough to try to take your men again they will not survive contact. We are here to win.
What kind of enemy is it who thinks they can fuck with the Marines and win? If you ask me, i think the enemy is fully aware that they are going to their death when they attack the Marines, and that's why they attack.
i found another article about the 2/4 in Iraq, which is interesting because of the contrast in tone. Where the piece written by an actual participant is filled with resolute pride, the piece filtered by media bias exhibits a more somber, defeatist tone.
'I didn't sleep. I lay in the bed,' Oety recalled, sitting alone with a cigarette after a Marine memorial service Sunday.
The American deaths fell most heavily on Oety's 2nd Battalion, 4th Marines Regiment, a storied unit known as 'the Magnificent Bastards' that hardly needed another infamous battle on its resume.
Five died from just one 13-man squad ambushed on a road they patrolled every day.
'I can't stand that area,' said Oety, 24, of Louisville, Ky. But Oety did what his battalion is known for: plunging back in.
The contrast between the two perspectives is striking to me. Journalists, for the most part, are gutless, ignorant hacks. It doesn't surprise me that a journalist would focus on casualties, rather than accomplishments. Journalists don't understand what our soldiers, marines and sailors are doing, nor do they want to. It frightens them.
Update: Blackfive contrasts AP and Reuters coverage of the so-called cease fire.
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Posted by: Tim at April 21, 2004 01:50 PM (jYU4N)
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I'll tell you why the journalists reporting are such gutless, clueless, hacks. Their templete is the Viet Nam War. Not to mention their editors are refugees from that era who've never grown up. Hey, I lived it. Was college student during the mid-70's.
What they're not getting is this--different times, different enemy, who wants you and I dead. Period. End of story.
Eloquence means nothing.
Posted by: joe at April 21, 2004 03:19 PM (3kULp)
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I remember the day in al-jubayl, saudi arabia in Feb of '91 when a reporter stopped by weapons repair shop I ran to see if anyone wanted to give an interview.
One PFC offered to go in front of the camera the reporter's side-kick was carrying. The first five or so questions related to who he was, where he was from, and what he did.
The best part came shortly thereafter when the reporter asked if the PFC felt guilty that his job might help inflict death and injury on a kid his age in the Iraqi army. The PFC replied, "I count on it because that is my job.
If I could shoot the f**kers myself I would. It would get me home quicker."
I gave the PFC the day off after the reporter and his side-kick ran from our shop in disgust.
Semper Fi, Marines. Semper Fi.
Posted by: jcrue at April 21, 2004 03:48 PM (G9kk0)
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I'll tell you something about our USMC. A friend of mine signed up to be a marine six years ago, but when he couldn't pass the physical tests the first time, they almost deferred him to the army corps. Not the kind of person to relent to anyhthing, he worked his butt off and got buffed up. Then he went through and passed the physical. I was there with him in the gym, and was wondering why he was working himself almost overexerting himself sometimes.
"It's the marines."
I didn't know what that meant until what I heard from the Iraqi commanders. When it was told the Americans were coming, they weren't surprised, but not too scared.
That changed very quickly when they heard the MARINES were coming too! They went to near panic upon hearing that.
Sure, I might never be buff enough to join the Marines (or have the nerve to join the armed forces much less. I know, I'm a coward, but I know who's brave and who's not, and I do salute them!) but after hearing that from my friends and recent events, I have thought twice.
Always Faithful.
Semper Fidelis
Posted by: Charles Hammond Jr. at April 22, 2004 03:49 PM (/FXjU)
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I was there in Ramadi, with the best. And I will tell you this. We are not war monging killers. We are marines and we do as ordered in our countries service so that the American people can wake up day by day and live their lives with the freedoms that we have today. And what does it take to have this you might ask. Marines and other branches of the service to go out day by day and put our lives on the line for what we love and care about most in life. Our families and our friends, and it takes a stable country to have this, I have been to Iraq so I know how good we have it here and what we all as americans take for granted. We take our freedoms for granted and we forget how the strength of our military has brought us what we have today.
Remember those who we lost over there, many were my buddies, and let their legends go on as heroes as that is what they are, heroes.
Semper Fidelis
Posted by: Lcpl grunt FOX CO 2/4 at December 13, 2004 11:47 PM (/hs21)
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I served with Fox co.2/4 in Vietnam Fox relieved Echo co at the groucho marx battle near Cam-lo that is where Capt Howard V Lee earned his congressionl medal of honor.I have never seen a braver outfit than 2/4 I am proud to have served Semper Fi
Posted by: Philip L Hickman at January 04, 2005 10:40 PM (lVR1d)
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I have a real problem with Keith william Nolans book the magnificent bastards.Mr.Nolan is a good writer but,the cover of the book tells of a marine and army operation and they became known as the magnificent bastards,and I'm quite sure that the uninformed readers will come away thinking that the combined Army and Marine unit are the magnificent bastards.I am sure that the Army unit is a brave and noble group but 2/4and 2/4 alone are the magnificent bastards.Col.Joe (Bull)Fisher a veteran of Iwo jima gave us that name and we are most assuredly proud bastards.
Posted by: Philip L. Hickman at January 07, 2005 11:27 PM (lVR1d)
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I am proud to say that I have been to war with those Magnificent Bastards. I served as Golf Company's Police Sergeant for the 7 months we spent in Iraq. These men are my brothers and America would do well to remember that they are also thier brothers, husbands and sons. These men lived and died by the power of thier wills and the support of thier brothers. I will go to the ends of hell with these men, and make no mistake, hell would be for the taking if you put the Marines of 2/4 on the task.
Posted by: AKH GUNS-UP!! at April 18, 2005 09:17 PM (cYPBD)
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I am proud to claim the title as "Marine", just as I am proud to have been a member of the "Magnificent Bastards", these titles have been earned not given. People may look in disgust at my tatoo of the eagle,globe,and anchor with "Magnificent Bastards" wrapped around it. But those that know only offer thanks and praise. "Semper Fi" to all Marines, and especially those of Echo Co 2ndBtn 4th Marines
Posted by: J Smith at May 09, 2005 10:05 AM (VIEln)
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I'm am proud to say I served in the greatest branch of the armed forces, The United States Marine Corps, and am the son of a career Marine who served with the Magnificent Bastards in Vietnam. They deserve all the praise and admiration we as a country can give them, because as Marines the 2/4 were hard charges that never gave up on a fight, and many stayed to the bitter end to fight along side of their brothers knowing full well the consiquences of their actions. Marines never leave their own and never back down from any challenge! Semper Fi!
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Wednesday Is Poetry Day
i'm going to try to make Wednesday poetry day here on annika's journal. A great way to start is with my favorite male poet, William Carlos Williams, and
a poem relevant to today:
Peace on Earth
The archer is wake!
The Swan is flying!
Gold against blue
An Arrow is lying.
There is hunting in heaven—
Sleep safe till tomorrow.
The Bears are abroad!
The Eagle is screaming!
Gold against blue
Their eyes are gleaming!
Sleep!
Sleep safe till tomorrow.
The Sisters lie
With their arms intertwining;
Gold against blue
Their hair is shining!
The Serpent writhes!
Orion is listening!
Gold against blue
His sword is glistening!
Sleep!
There is hunting in heaven—
Sleep safe till tomorrow.
Take what you want from that poem; that's what poetry is all about. To me it's a wish that you and i will continue to sleep safe while the battle between good and evil goes on around us, whether we're aware of it or not.
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Gold against blue=sun against the sky, meaning all of the action in these stanzas occurs during the day. Perhaps "sleep safe until tomorrow" warns that nefarious things spawn and develop at night, and must be defeated when gold is against blue.
Highly entertaining poem.
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Kilt Stories
The Maximum Leader informs us that he has been known to wear a kilt,* then links to
this story about a Marine who plays the bagpipes.
[1st Sgt. Dwayne] Farr, an African-American from Detroit, was inspired to learn when he saw another player who didn't match the Scotsman stereotype.
'I was at a funeral and I saw a Marine playing the bagpipes, and I thought, this isn't a big, burly, redheaded guy with a ponytail and a big stomach. He's a small Hispanic Marine. I said if he can learn to play the bagpipes, I can learn,' he said, chuckling.
When he is not on the front-line, Farr wears a kilt when playing, and some Marines have been skeptical about a member of one of the toughest fighting forces in the world donning what looks like a skirt.
But Farr is unfazed. . . .
'Kilts are something that fighting men wore many years ago, and we know that the Marines are fighting men. So real men wear kilts. And they are pretty comfortable too,' he said.
This story reminded me of an amusing vignette from the book i'm reading called
Intimate Voices from the First World War. Here's the excerpt, written by a twenty-four year old German recruit at the western front shortly after the battle of Ypres Salient. Apparently it was the first time he'd ever seen a Scotsman:
There are lots of Scots amongst all the dead and wounded. Instead of trousers they wear a sort of short, warm skirt that only reaches halfway down their thighs. Well itÂ’s not really a skirt, itÂ’s more of a sort of folded wrap-around thing. It is a strange sight. IÂ’m amazed the boys donÂ’t freeze their bums off, walking around half-naked like that, because they donÂ’t wear any underwear either.
That said, they do have a warm, heavy coat like the other English soldiers. The colour of their uniform is much more suited to the terrain than ours. ItÂ’s a sort of dirty brownish green. Their hats and wrap-around things are the same colour. The English soldier can move much more freely than we can. With their practical clothing and light packs, they can run like hares. This really is an advantage when under fire. But weÂ’re still going to win.
Pretty funny, eh? That was written in 1914. i love the irony of the last line.
* Permalink doesn't seem to work, scroll down to April 16, 2004.
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Yesterday I gave a value measured by poetry to a local personnel the evening, really popular TO my poetry the people so-called that I remind her Kerouac early. Sometimes, if I read, you can swallow my hand my adjusted trousers, and far away of little thrust it is difficult to read and press at the same time. If to be read hard and the simultaneous vibration is, I that the slaves receive above with me, mean to say average cock which can be painted to that, there I the poetry want read and during Erscheinenender I her in the face chisel, let my trousers and more chier you then over its face and mésanges completely fall.
My Mamma safe it likes, if I am chie before him, but on the other hand him a Muselman, and it knows the safe Muselmanen into merde around rolling and in the opening, which is taken off by merde, bumsen.
It is not my Geburtsmamma, I was accepted, after my family members, around which jump at the enclosed participants of the grade of Juniorhigh, mean safe dad to treat these young girls liked, if you know, what I mean.
So much sometimes, if I think farting I on the average slaves, and how much a safe I would like on its mésanges in fron my merde he covers moslemischen merdes of Mammas. Here is a poetry for you...,
When to us into, which garden merde of love
I ice concerning my trousers in the ocean of your eyes
And if we can eat you in the bath bumsen
That very my cock keeps,
Which thinks of your donkey
And my Weihnachtsscheisse
To explain to me the fact
That they are merry and becomes green
However, is to you my slave,
And I am its foutue machine merde.
[Google translated from Engl.-->Fr.-->Engl.-->Germ.-->Fr.-->Engl. for clarity. an.]
Posted by: Isitstinky at April 21, 2004 09:02 AM (urH/g)
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Kilts, aye. Nothing beats the courage of celt in battle. Why before they had kilts they'd
fight naked. Magnificent crazy bastards they are.
"many of the warriors were also known to eschew everything and rush headlong and stark-naked into battle. Their courage was legendary and most of them were very tall and sturdy, with wild, bleached-blond hair and enormous mustaches. They usually heightened their daunting appearances with blue woad dye and horned bronze helmets, and then further unnerved the enemy before battle by issuing weird, spine-chilling screams while clanging up a fearsome cadence with their swords against their shields. Working themselves into a terrible fury in this way and certainly disheartening the enemy also, they charged into battle and fought with incredible savagery."
Posted by: Scof at April 21, 2004 09:11 AM (XCqS+)
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Just so you'll know, and I hope the aforementioned piper was properly attired, there are registered Tartan Setts (the pattern of the plaid) for kilts for the US Marines, Air Force and Navy. Check http://www.scottishclansman.com/finder.html and scroll the pull-down under the district headings.
Charlie32
Posted by: charlie32 at April 22, 2004 11:15 AM (5f8b3)
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great site, thanks Charlie!
Posted by: annika at April 22, 2004 01:25 PM (zAOEU)
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The feared weapon of the British Black Watch: the Pipes!
Nothing makes you look better than wearing scottish garb, kilt, and Pipes (and I'm asian!)!
Posted by: Charles Hammond Jr. at April 22, 2004 03:52 PM (/FXjU)
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I'm pleased to announce that 1st Sgt Farr is now properly kilted. You can see his photos at: http://www.kiltmen.com/forums/cgi-bin/kiltmen.pl?read=1104
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Fantasy Baseball Tip
If you see a rookie from Asia, by all means pick him up. He'll often be ranked low and overlooked by the other league members. And he might just kick ass his first year, since no one will have any experience with him. Think Nomo and Ichiro in their rookie seasons.
This year i picked up Hee Seop Choi and Kazuo Matsui under the radar. Choi is currently tied for fourth place in the NL with 5 home runs. And he's playing for the defending champs, so i expect him to improve as the season goes on. Matsui is hitting a respectable .302 right now, although i may dump him for José ValentÃÂn pretty soon.
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