July 23, 2004
When Is A Dry Run Not A Dry Run?
When one of the passengers
turns out to be all wet.
Undercover federal air marshals on board a June 29 Northwest airlines flight from Detroit to LAX identified themselves after a passenger, 'overreacted,' to a group of middle-eastern men on board, federal officials and sources have told KFI NEWS.
The passenger, later identified as Annie Jacobsen, was in danger of panicking other passengers and creating a larger problem on the plane, according to a source close to the secretive federal protective service.
Jacobsen, a self-described freelance writer, has published two stories about her experience at womenswallstreet.com, a business advice web site designed for women.
Dawn has more.
You know i'm a hawk when it comes to the war on terror. i'm not saying we should let our guard down, especially nowadays. But still, this lady's story, when i first read it, sure sounded like an urban legend to me.
It turned out not to be an urban legend, but neither did it turn out to be what Jacobsen thought it was. i bet that's how half of the urban legends out there start, by somebody over-reacting.
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The thing is, there's a lot of pilots and flight attendants who have observed "dry run" type behavior on other flights.
And the other thing is, if the CIA/FBI were trying to monitor the Syrians to see if they lead to bigger fish, then the CIA/FBI would want to put out disinformation.
And the other other thing is, what kind of people rise up en masse and head for the toilets when the plane is beginning its descending run in preparation for landing?
The journalist and her spouse could be overreacting, but I think it's maybe impossible for us to judge the truth of this situation.
This next has me wondering if I am getting too conspiratorial in my thinking, but-
is it so farfetched that a group of Syrian musicians might agree to "dry run" certain behaviors on a flight? They would've known they had legitimate alibis and likely wouldn't be detained. They could've been induced to action by bribe or blackmail. Gotta go- think I hear a black helicopter outside the house!
Posted by: gcotharn in Texas at July 23, 2004 11:25 PM (PcgQk)
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This particular situation probably was entirely innocent, but, as gcotharn just noted, there have been plenty of recent incidents which have been very worrisome indeed. I think it is simply irresponsible that the arming of flight crews has not proceeded with a sense of real urgency (and have a post up on this topice)
Posted by: David Foster at July 24, 2004 10:23 AM (XUtCY)
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My understanding is that they were indeed members of a band, and yet each and every one of them had an expired visa.
And just because you're in a band doesn't mean you can't be a terrorist.
For some stupid reason, the PC-crowd thinks that being middle-eastern automatically means you *can't* be a terrorist.
Posted by: Ted at July 24, 2004 11:34 AM (ZjSa7)
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2 cents
Posted by: Scof at July 24, 2004 11:41 AM (MzkCz)
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If they can learn to fly a plane, they can learn to play a musical instrument.
If their visas were truly expired, they should not be able to board a plane except to return to whence they came.
Remember, the operative part of illegal alien is "illegal". This is still America, a rule of law country.
Posted by: shelly s. at July 24, 2004 09:26 PM (PcgQk)
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http://www.3sixtyfour.com/freeipods.html
Posted by: Anna at July 24, 2004 09:53 PM (6CJE3)
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I'm shocked at your outlook on this, Anna. I thought your eyes were more open than this.
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Etiquette Question
When people sneeze multiple times in succession, are you supposed to say "God bless you" after every sneeze or can you just say it after the first sneeze?
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Posted by: d-rod at July 23, 2004 11:22 AM (CSRmO)
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I wait until they're completely finished with all sneezing before blessing a sneezer. There may be a little pause before my blessing, but I only want to do it once. More than that is unnecessary redundance, imho. ;-)
Posted by: jen at July 23, 2004 11:50 AM (C31gH)
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I'm usually the one doing the sneezing....and I'm usually too bunched up to say thank you each time, soooo wait till they are done.
One of my coworkers claims that the number of sneezes correlates to a measure of sexual performance, so she always follows up an especially bad sneezing fit with "what are you doing this friday?" ..."blowing my nose", I reply.
T
Posted by: TB StLouis at July 23, 2004 12:05 PM (AFvBY)
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First sneeze only. If they sneeze again after that, the blessing obviously didn't work.
Posted by: Xrlq at July 23, 2004 12:10 PM (k4RhX)
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I say it once within any one sneezing episode. If it is repeated after more than a minute has lapsed, I keep at it. XRLQ gives up to easily. Sometimes God is a bit deaf, and needs repetition.
Posted by: Hugo at July 23, 2004 01:09 PM (ntfdi)
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I say "God Bless You", after the first. If the sneezing episode goes on, I might ask "Do you need a mop and bucket, or will this roll of paper towels do the trick?"
Posted by: Desert Cat at July 23, 2004 05:15 PM (uQ2sq)
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Sure, you can sat it after the second sneeze, but what if they then enter a sneezing fit? I’ve been in situations where the affected has sneezed more than twenty times in succession. It’s not pretty. It’s not pretty when it happens. We need to think about that before we decide to utter "god bless you" a second time.
Posted by: Dan at July 23, 2004 07:15 PM (7q+hC)
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This reminds me of my friend Sherri, who invariably sneezes in threes. Those close to her know to wait to be sure, but if there is any doubt, she'll hold up an index finger indicating "wait a minute" to tell the potential blesser to hold off. Obviously she considers a multiple for one blessing to be the standard.
Posted by: Jay Solo at July 23, 2004 08:18 PM (ECWEx)
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OK, I have admit that my father used to follow a formula.
The first time, he'd say "God Bless you". After the second one, he'd say "And keep you", and after the third one he'd say "From your loving wife and children".
I never understood what he meant until I grew up and actually had them.
Now, I say it, too.
Posted by: shelly s. at July 25, 2004 04:46 AM (PcgQk)
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I think you are supposed to say it first normally, the second time with your voice raised, and then the third time you are supposed to make a pithy and/or lame comment about dust, what's been going around, or mention that one could die by sneezing.
Posted by: fairest at July 26, 2004 06:18 AM (5VK+H)
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My wife says excuse me after sneezing. I believe this is only necessary for burping not sneezing. Am I right. God bless you from me should be sufficient.
Posted by: dermot nolan at August 03, 2004 12:26 AM (BKFEM)
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ok, first of all, ya'll are crazy. My friend and I have decided you must wait five seconds before blessing someone to ensure no redundancy in the blessings.
Posted by: Sneezers anonymous at April 30, 2005 03:07 PM (pvHLN)
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I say "Bess you" only after they say "Excuse me" and if they sneeze 3 times I add "Now there's a cry for attention"
Posted by: Dale at September 19, 2005 05:58 AM (b/34x)
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I issue a 'blanket' bless you, good for the next 24 hours, to cover multiple sneezes.
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July 22, 2004
Crazy Question
Watching the Tour de France with my housemates yesterday, the following question came up:
What kind of being would you create if you could somehow cross Lance Armstrong's DNA with the DNA of his chief rival, Ivan Basso?
The answer is not all that good. It's quite frightening, actually.
Update: i guess nobody gets this joke. It's a bit obscure, but we all thought it was hilarious over at my house.
Clue: Crossing the DNA of Lance Armstrong and Ivan Basso might create a bike rider who's derailleur is perfectly in sync!
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Watching the Tour de France with my housemates yesterday
Housemates? That's gay lingo for those of you not in the life.
Are you evolved?
Posted by: Barney Gumble at July 22, 2004 02:07 PM (JT7Io)
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Considering who is girlfriend is, I'm guessing the better speculation is what a Lance Armstrong/Sheryl Crow mix would look like. I'm guessing athletic kid who has to move his lips when he reads.
Posted by: Tony at July 22, 2004 07:34 PM (QwFky)
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Um, I got it the first time, but I was wincing. A lot.
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July 21, 2004
Give 'Em Hell, Lance
i watched Lance power his way to the top of l'Alpe d'Huez tonight. He's not just winning, he's dominating and embarrassing the competition. He passed Ivan Basso, like he was standing still. And this was a time trial! They're racing against the clock. i didn't expect to see Lance lapping guys.
Lance in yellow, Tiger in green, pinstripes in October. It's like something you expect to see every year.
One disturbing thing about the Tour, though. It gets pretty crazy along the route, with fans jumping in front of the riders, waving flags, running alongside and trying to touch them. i saw a streaker during stage 13 last weekend. But on TV today, Lance said that people were spitting and throwing shit at the American riders. That's bad news.
There were lots of fans, and it was a little scary. To me, sincerely, it was not a good idea to have a time trial at l'Alpe d'Huez. It's over now but a lot of German fans were just disgusting. C'est la vie.
i wonder what Lance's left-wing girlfriend Cheryl Crow had to say about that display of America-hating. Stupid Germans. The race organizers really should try to control them, i'd hate to see someone get hurt.
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Stupid Germans
What the hell do Germans have to do with it? Stupid comment. The tour is held in France. If anyone it was most likely French fans but the article doesn't say. Yet another uninformed imbecile jumping to conclusions.
Posted by: Graham at July 21, 2004 10:44 PM (+XyFZ)
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Since when can the French control the Germans?
Posted by: go4tli at July 21, 2004 11:18 PM (/PLeT)
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But unlike Lance in yellow and Tiger in green, most people don't want to see pinstripes in October.
Posted by: The Maximum Leader at July 22, 2004 06:30 AM (pbJgk)
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Yeah we shouldn't jump to conclusions that only stupid Germans were responsible. The stupidity should be shared equally across Old Europe. Shit, none of the appeaser nations have even been to the moon yet. I guess they can be proud of their free rider status at least.
Posted by: d-rod at July 22, 2004 08:37 AM (K9QTx)
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It wasn't quoted in the article i linked, but Armstrong said they were Germans in his post race TV interview. He said they were wearing pink, the colors of Jan Ullrich's T-mobile team. Plus, i think Lance is able to recognize the German language when it's shouted at him.
Hey, i got nothing against Germans, i'm half German myself. But i don't like Germans who act like idiots.
The French, however, i
do have something against, simply because they're French.
Posted by: annika! at July 22, 2004 01:01 PM (zAOEU)
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I love the French and Germans more every day.
By the way retards, the next time I post it will be a different name. I'm converting to Islam and will soon be assigned a Muslim name.
I was an athiest all my life but exposed enough to you christian and jew bastards showed me Allah was the only way. You will all have to do the same soon because
we will make you!
I am devout in my beliefs and will do
ANYTHING to stop the jew oppression of the brotherhood.
Allahu Akbar!
Posted by: Barney Gumble at July 22, 2004 02:04 PM (JT7Io)
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Yabba Dabba Doo! Have fun in the stone age with Betty, if that's your thing.
Posted by: d-rod at July 22, 2004 03:46 PM (CSRmO)
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Obviously, he's off his meds.
Posted by: annika! at July 22, 2004 06:20 PM (C9F5M)
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Do they even HAVE medication for that? ;-)
Posted by: Dave J at July 23, 2004 08:26 AM (VThvo)
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Yes, but it's illegal in the States, probably because it's usually administered with the aid of gunpowder.
Posted by: LCVRWC at July 23, 2004 12:09 PM (L3qPK)
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"Put a gun in the hand of a German and he turns towards France." An old adage, but true enough.
France is now over 25% Muslim; great place for Barney Grumble, alias Ali Ali Oxen-Free to move.
It is time to re-arm the Germans.
Posted by: shelly s. at July 25, 2004 04:50 AM (PcgQk)
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Wednesday Is Poetry Day, Every Wednesday
i must confess,
e.e. cummings is not my favorite poet. i don't like visual gimmick poetry, and i don't like indecipherable poetry. In that respect i am not alone. When my favorite poet, Edna St. Vincent Millay, was in charge of vetting poets for the Guggenhiem Fellowship, she turned down cummings because
she couldn't figure him out. (i wish i had her exact quote; you can find it in the wonderful biography of Millay, called
Savage Beauty.)
Thankfully, not all of e.e. cummings' work is hard to read. Take out the weird shit, and what remains is remarkably brilliant. Not surprisingly, i'm especially drawn to his erotic stuff. Sometimes i'm not sure whether he's talking about what i think he's talking about, or whether it's just my own dirty mind. I like that in a poem. Plausible deniability.
An example:
because i love you)last night
clothed in sealace
appeared to me
your mind drifting
with chuckling rubbish
of pearl weed coral and stones;
lifted,and(before my
eyes sinking)inward,fled;softly
your face smile breasts gargled
by death:drowned only
again carefully through deepness to rise
these your wrists
thighs feet hands
poising
to again utterly disappear;
rushing gently swiftly creeping
through my dreams last
night,all of your
body with its spirit floated
(clothed only in
the tide's acute weaving murmur
Nice, isn't it? Less subtle is this racy example:
my girl's tall with hard long eyes
as she stands, with her long hard hands keeping
silence on her dress, good for sleeping
is her long hard body filled with surprise
like a white shocking wire, when she smiles
a hard long smile it sometimes makes
gaily go clean through me tickling aches,
and the weak noise of her eyes easily files
my impatience to an edge--my girl's tall
and taut, with thin legs just like a vine
that's spent all of its life on a garden-wall,
and is going to die. When we grimly go to bed
with these legs she begins to heave and twine
about me, and to kiss my face and head.
Whew, there's a little bit of excitement for your blog reading day!
But sometimes, e.e. could throw all subtlety out the window, as in this bawdy piece:
the boys i mean are not refined
they go with girls who buck and bite
they do not give a fuck for luck
they hump them thirteen times a night
one hangs a hat upon her tit
one carves a cross on her behind
they do not give a shit for wit
the boys i mean are not refined
they come with girls who bite and buck
who cannot read and cannot write
who laugh like they would fall apart
and masturbate with dynamite
the boys i mean are not refined
they cannot chat of that and this
they do not give a fart for art
they kill like you would take a piss
they speak whatever's on their mind
they do whatever's in their pants
the boys i mean are not refined
they shake the mountains when they dance
Dang, that's some kick-ass poetry. i'm not crazy about a lot of his stuff, but if he were around today, i'd bet e.e. could take the prize at any poetry slam contest.
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Terrific choices, Annie gyrl! I do like cummings, even when he absolutely baffles and infuriates me.
The same could be said for you, of course.
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Posted by: annika! at July 21, 2004 05:07 PM (zAOEU)
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Every time I read this next poem I'm blown away. Strangely, I couldn't find a copy of it on Google, so I've transcribed it as I copied it into a notebook many years ago. I'm no longer sure if my line breaks are accurate, but I think they are, and, at any rate, they are how I have it copied in my notebook.
"Nothing" by e.e. cummings
what Got him was Noth
ing and nothing's exAct
ly what any
one Living (or some
body Dead
like
even a Poet) could
hardly express what
i Mean is
what knocked him over Wasn't
(for instance)the Knowing your
whole (yes god
damned life is a Flop or even
to
Feel how
Everything (dreamed
and hoped and
prayed for
months and weeks and days and years
and nights and
forever) is Less Than
Nothing (which would have been
Something) what got him was nothing
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I am not one of those who stand for the untouchable holiness of the capital letter and traditional typography. So far as I am concerned, Mr. Cummings may do anything he likes with the alphabet, the English grammar, and the multiplication table, provided only the result of his activities be something interesting, and after a reasonable period of application, comprehensible, to a reader of culture and brains. Mr. Cummings may not, however, I say, write poetry in English which is more difficult for me to translate than poetry written in Latin. He may, of course, write it. But if he publishes it, if he prints and offers for sale poetry which he is quite content should be, after hours of sweating concentration, inexplicable from any point of view to a person as intelligent as myself, then he does so with a motive which is frivolous from the point of view of art, and should not be helped or encouraged by any serious person of group of persons...
Edna St. Vincent Millay
Savage Beauty
pg. 370
Posted by: David Boxenhorn at July 22, 2004 02:56 AM (NimIk)
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Thank you David. i do have the best visitors!
Millay's criticism is good advice for any modern poet. Really, poetry (all art) is communication. If it doesn't communicate anything, what good is it?
Posted by: annika! at July 22, 2004 01:08 PM (zAOEU)
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Zzzzzzzzz
Here's a letter that Martha Stewart wrote to the judge in her recent criminal trial. i defy anyone to make it to the end of the four page letter, it's so boring. As i commented at Dawn's
(from whom i stole this link), didn't they teach Martha anything about run-on sentences at Barnard?
I have spent most of my professional life creating, writing, researching, and thinking on the highest possible level about quality of life, about giving, about providing, so that millions of people, from all economic strata, can enjoy beauty, good quality, well made products, and impeccably researched information about many hundreds of subjects which can lead to a better life and more rewarding family lifestyle.
Just on and on and on. Shit woman, just get to the point! No wonder they wouldn't let her testify. Gawd, wouldn't she be the worst lunch partner ever?
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I thought I was the only one that noticed. I couldn't get through the first page.
Posted by: Paul at July 21, 2004 12:22 PM (Prvsw)
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The Me Show! Starring ME! Written, produced, directed and choreographed by ME!
Get over yourself, Martha. Geeze.
(BTW, thanks, Annika. LOL)
Posted by: Emma at July 21, 2004 12:35 PM (NOZuy)
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You'd think she'd have some kind of an editor. Ah, but I thought wrong.
I won't bother to read the rest of such tripe.
Posted by: joe at July 21, 2004 01:17 PM (ZsJeX)
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Now you know why hubby left. There is a way to shut a woman like her up, but it has some risk attached, and I'd guess that she doesn't know much about how to REALLY please a man.
Posted by: Casca at July 21, 2004 03:58 PM (q+PSF)
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Lynda Rondstat
Shelly asked me if i was going to comment on the Lynda Ronsdstat controversy. i don't have much to to say on that, except for the following:
At least she had the guts to say what she said in front of a hostile audience in this country. That's more than i can say for the Dixie Chiks.
Also, what she said wasn't so bad. She just recommended the movie. It's not like she said she was ashamed to be an American.
i think what she said about Christians and Republicans is more offensive.
Anyway, whatever. Who cares about her anyway? She made one good record, a long time ago with Nelson Riddle, and her career's been AWOL ever since.
Link thanks to Jen.
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Most folks think her "Trio" recordings with Emmylou and Dolly are spectacular... I am among them.
And I think the behavior of the crowd at the Aladdin was unfortunate.
Posted by: Hugo at July 21, 2004 11:40 AM (ntfdi)
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i was gonna say something about the crowd, but the story seems exagerrated to me. Anyway, it's not much different than the behavior of
this kid's history teacher.
Posted by: annika at July 21, 2004 11:46 AM (zAOEU)
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I think if you pay $250 a seat, you have a right not to be subjected to left-wing propaganda.
If you have been warned that the artist has lost her mind and you still go, then you should sit through the propaganda without objection.
Posted by: Jake at July 21, 2004 02:56 PM (h4tU8)
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O.K. Annika, I guess I am sorry I asked. But, "guts"? Nope, maybe just in need of some ink.
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The Tour de France
Have you been watching Lance Armstrong? i watched replays of the end of stage thirteen on Sunday and the end of stage fifteen last night. The dude is awesome. He doesn't even look like he's breaking a sweat. Look at the other guy's faces at the end, they're in agony. But Lance is a machine.
i sure hope he's not dopin, 'cause he's great. It's funny that Greg LeMond seems to think Lance is dirty. Does he know something or is he just jealous?
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LeMond's comments astounded me. Armstrong has been tested over and over and over again (in one of his books, he writes about a dope control showing up at his house during the off-season, at 7AM on a Sunday) and has come clean every time.
LeMond is just being an ass. I'd like to ask *him* point-blank if he ever took a performance-enhancing drug during his Tour wins.
Posted by: Victor at July 21, 2004 09:47 AM (L3qPK)
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I'm with Victor; there is no way on God's green earth that Lance could endure the kind of scrutiny that goes with being the man he is, and hide doping. Doping leaves plenty of marks behind (not to mention syringes). The man can't even go to the bathroom in peace.
I am often reluctant to unabashedly call someone a hero, especially when they are younger than I am -- but Lance is such a figure. He and Paula Radcliffe are my two great heroes. Both drug free and brilliant.
Posted by: Hugo at July 21, 2004 09:59 AM (ntfdi)
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Lance is an expert at peaking for a race and within a race.
Because of this skill he appears to be super human.
Posted by: Jake at July 21, 2004 10:52 AM (h4tU8)
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The official
Tour has a synopsis of each stage at the end of the day (during the race you get one-minute or so down updates). Armstrong revealed his secret today:
“Our secret,” said Armstrong when asked how he prepares for the Tour, “is that we work all year long. I hate to disappoint the skeptics but that’s what it is.”
His skill is in preparation, which means he does peak at the right time. That's how he plans for it.
You know, I had this huge comment for right here, but I've got my own neglected blog for that. Look for it tomorrow.
Posted by: Victor at July 21, 2004 11:28 AM (L3qPK)
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Jealous. I would be knocked loopy if Armstrong was cheating. I believe he's simply got the best coaching, the best team, and the most focused and disciplined training.
Posted by: gcotharn at July 21, 2004 01:29 PM (AaBEz)
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i agree. The announcer said that Lance had gone to inspect the stage route a year before. During the last 500 meters or so, i could see him quietly shift and get ready to pass Basso. None of the other guys seemed to have planned in advance how they were going to finish, which is baffling to me. i think Lance plans exactly what he's going to do at every point during the race, which is the way our best pro football and baseball players approach their games.
Posted by: annika at July 21, 2004 02:07 PM (zAOEU)
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Ducks always envy the swans.
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July 20, 2004
Congratulations
Congratulations to my 100,000th visitor! You came here to look at
my post about the Spitfire video. i don't know anything about you except that you are from the Pacific Time Zone, possibly the Bay Area, and you didn't bother to look around my blog. Oh well, no prize for you then.
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Posted by: Xrlq at July 20, 2004 02:58 PM (585Ar)
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To you, that is, not to the weenie who dropped in by accident and left without saying goodbye.
Posted by: Xrlq at July 20, 2004 02:59 PM (585Ar)
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And congrats to you, xrlq, because i finally got off my but and blogrolled you!
Posted by: annika! at July 20, 2004 03:18 PM (zAOEU)
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Your but? Did I miss something, or were you trying to talk out your ass? Heh, aren't we ALL the 100,000 visitor? I'm thinking that the Sacramento heat is taking a toll.
Mua,
C
Posted by: Casca at July 20, 2004 05:04 PM (q+PSF)
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You should give us all a prize
Posted by: Chris at July 20, 2004 09:23 PM (plRaH)
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Darn,
I wish I knew I would have tried to bee 100000!
Posted by: Chuck at July 20, 2004 09:31 PM (kjbQW)
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Prizes for everyone!
I call dibs on hoverbikes!
Posted by: Shawn Liu at July 21, 2004 01:19 PM (eJcfa)
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Congrats. Just crossed 10,000 at my own site, so I can imagine what it feels like to pass 100,000. Big stupid grins for everyone!
Posted by: Beck at July 21, 2004 01:47 PM (fllfQ)
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Hoverbikes? damn, i guess i'll have to return all them Segways i bought for y'all.
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July 20, 1969
On July 20, 1969, an event which i argue is the greatest accomplishment in human history occurred.
It was "one small step for [a] man, one giant leap for mankind," as Neil Armstrong said. But, it must also be said that no one but an American has ever been to the moon. And we have every right to be proud of that fact.
We did it with vacuum tube computers and slide rules. We did it in the days before fax machines and e-mail and pocket calculators. We did it before copy machines and PDAs and DVD drives and laptops. We did it with computers that filled a whole room but were slower than the computer i'm typing on right now.
And when the computer miscalculated on the descent to the lunar surface, one American took the controls and landed the damn thing himself.
Awesome.
On that historic day Associated Press reported:
Two Americans landed on the moon and explored its surface for some two hours Sunday, planting the first human footprints in its dusty soil. They raised their nation's flag and talked to their President on earth 240,000 miles away.
And the whole world watched.
Be proud.
Update: Has Ted forgotten about this anniversary?
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Very nice annika. Tomorrow in history the first rant using the words "We put a man on the moon but we can't..." was used. yuk yuk
Posted by: Scof at July 20, 2004 11:02 AM (XCqS+)
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Nicely done. I had not gotten around to doing a post about this topic yet.
Greatest accomplishment? Yep, probably what I would choose. And a nice reminder of how different the world and resources were that made it happen.
Posted by: Jay Solo at July 20, 2004 01:56 PM (ECWEx)
Posted by: Dawn Summers at July 20, 2004 02:17 PM (HLOeu)
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I *had* forgotten. With the new job, I've been crazybusy all day at work and too tired to surf much in the evenings. My brain is full of new and strange acronyms and processes I'm learning.
Besides, guys aren't *supposed* to remember anniversaries.
Dawn, Penicillin was huge, but it would've been done eventually by someone. The moon was directed effort that would not have happened by accident. Now if you'd have said Hostess Snowballs...
Posted by: Ted at July 20, 2004 03:47 PM (ZjSa7)
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I was 15 at the time, and although I was a big jock at the time, the fact that the LEM pilot, I'm thinking Buzz Aldrin, landed the thing himself, was and is so cool.
History was made that day, and I along with millions of others around the world--think about that--had a ringside seat.
Folks, those two guys, and Collins too, were truly pioneers.
Not to mention an example of true American spirit.
Posted by: joe at July 20, 2004 07:10 PM (vHwP8)
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Mmm...hostess snowballs.
Posted by: Dawn Summers at July 21, 2004 09:23 AM (HLOeu)
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Oh, come
on people! It was all a FAKE!
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I'm just an occasional visitor here so far, but I had to pass on this video of Buzz Aldrin
taking out a conspiracy theorist who called him a coward and a liar, in case you haven't seen it.
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Interesting thought, but my memory of the day makes it seem a bit less eventful. My family and I were on the Navajo reservation (Dineta nation) that day and at the time of the landing we had stopped just off the res at a saloon for dinner. An old man at the bar watched closely, and then said (roughly): "No big deal. The ancestors went there a long time ago, before they came down here to live. There was nothing on the moon worth staying there for." Probably true, at least the last part.
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July 19, 2004
Roses Are Red
And now roses are blue.
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Roses are blue
Can daisies be violet?
What the hell are you doing?
It's not poetry day yet, dammit
Posted by: d-rod at July 19, 2004 05:14 PM (CSRmO)
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We've got roses for red states
and now roses for blue
how sad that our flowers
are divided too!
Posted by: Hugo at July 19, 2004 06:30 PM (ntfdi)
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They seem like they would be good for funerals. Much more somber than red roses.
Posted by: ginger at July 20, 2004 07:28 AM (BgaW7)
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Suntory! Like the whiskey in
Lost in Translation. Am I the only one who caught that?
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An Ugly Old French Problem
i totally agree with Ariel Sharon's belief that
French Jews should emigrate to Israel to escape "the wildest anti-semitism." That comment has caused
that old slug, Chirac to revoke his invitation for Sharon to visit Paris.
Don't worry about it, Ariel. i've been to Paris, you ain't missing much.
Other Frenchies are up in arms* over Sharon's statement too.
'France is not Germany of the 1930s,' said Julien Dray, spokesman for the opposition Socialist Party . . .
Maybe, but France
is beginning to resemble France of the 1940s (Vichy collaborationists). Or France of the 1890s (The Dreyfus affair). The French have a long history of anti-semitism, to which
their latest group of immigrants would love to add.
'The French have actually gone further than any other country in Europe in recognizing that they have a mountain of a problem on their hands,' says David A. Harris, executive director of the American Jewish Committee, who consults with the French government. Indeed, from their point of view, anti-Semitism may turn out to be the least of it. The huge number of Muslim young people born in France who actively resist acculturation, he says, leaves French officials 'baffled and challenged'
But the government itself appears far from blameless.
At least behind closed doors, French officials are even starting to entertain the proposition that the virulence and relentlessness of their criticism of Israel and its supporters feeds the insalubrious climate in which crimes against Jews multiply. Despite French newspapers' vigorous coverage of the latest apparent anti-Semitic attack, a further evolution may be needed before French intellectual and media elites will go that far.
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Figuratively speaking, of course. To the French, the phrase "up in arms" means to put "up" your hands whenever you see "arms."
Update: Dawn's opinion is the opposite of mine.
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I agree with the French Socialists. France isn't like the Germany of the 1930s. It's more like the Vichy France of the 1940s! Ran by elitist appeasers who sleep with the bad guys and wouldn't bat an eye at the thought of sending Jews to the gas chambers.
As for Chirac, he's such an ass. It's perfectly ok for him to make obnoxious comments about America, Israel, Italy, and other countries that get on his nerves. But look out if they talk back. Then he starts shrieking like a little girlie man.
Posted by: Ron at July 19, 2004 09:23 PM (Nv+wd)
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Again, Annika, you are right on the money.
I've been to Paris many times; it is dirty, smelly, now full of (@27%) Muslim immigrants who can sway elections, and the women still don't shave their legs or under their arms.
The French invented perfume; wanna guess why?
Posted by: shelly s. at July 20, 2004 02:07 AM (PcgQk)
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When i was in paris i saw no less than two people uninating in the street. i'm not talking back alleys, i saw this on the Champs d'Elysee!
Posted by: annika! at July 20, 2004 09:03 AM (zAOEU)
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Annika, if you can remember the holes in the ground that pass for toilets, perhaps you can remember why they do that. Ugh.
France is a second rate power going to third rate. Before it is over, we will be at war with them as well.
Perhaps our policy makers should consider a revision of our immigration and border laws. It is time for a change; we need to give up some of our civil liberties to avoid the daily suicide bombings that Israel has endured for years.
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July 18, 2004
My Life, Preliminary Impressions
i've been slogging my way through
My Life, by Bill Clinton for the last week or so. i'm about 90 pages into it. The book is written in casual prose, almost like a blog, and it's easily accessible to the least common denominator. Anyone expecting multi-syllable words and complex sentences from this "Rhodes Scholar" will be disappointed. Clinton is a competent writer, but he's no Thomas Jefferson. He's not even a Theodore Roosevelt. Further proof to my mind that those fawning ignorami who insist that he was "our smartest president" are way off base.
Clinton delights in naming people he knew as a young man, probably for their own benefit, so they can point to the book and say "hey, I'm in it," or "hey, my dad/brother/sister is in it." The first few chapters are full of anecdotes that are only marginally interesting: Bill's boyhood encounter with an angry ram, the famous confrontations with his abusive stepfather, the famous handshake with President Kennedy, the time Bill's car got stuck in the mud at a bauxite quarry.
i'm no fan of Clinton as a president. He had some successes in office, but lord knows he hurt this country in many ways, which we are only now beginning to fully realize. But as a man, as a historical character, he fascinates me. Like Henry VIII, he's a tragic leader who cannot be ignored if you have any real interest in history. And like King Henry, Bill Clinton was a sincere idealist, who left his country in a mess because he let his cock do more thinking than his head.
At this early stage in my reading, i thought it might be fun to see what Clinton had to say about the man who aspires to carry on his progressive Democratic legacy. i'm talking about the presumptive Democratic nominee for president at the time of the book's celebrated release: Massachussets senator John Kerry. As you may have heard, Clinton's book damns Kerry with faint praise. Actually there's almost no praise at all.
According to the index, John Kerry is mentioned only seven times, despite his being a "prominent" United States senator since 1985, throughout the entirety of Clinton's two terms. By contrast, Senator John McCain is mentioned eleven times. The other Kerry, Bob Kerrey of Nebraska, earned seventeen mentions in Clinton's index despite having been senator for only eleven years compared to John Kerry's twenty years. In fact, all but one of John Kerry's seven apearances in President Clinton's book are in passages where he's only one name in a list of names.
Here are the seven passages that mention the "prominent" senator from Massachussets, John Kerry:
. . . America's efforts to reconcile and normalize relations with Vietnam were led by distinguished Vietnam veterans in Congress, like Chuck Robb, John McCain, John Kerry, Bob Kerrey, Chuck Hegel, and Pete Peterson, men who had more than paid their dues and had nothing to hide or prove. [p. 161]
. . .
There was support in Congress from her brother, Senator Ted Kennedy, Senators Chris Dodd, Pat Moynihan, and John Kerry; and New York congressmen Peter King and Tom Manton. [pp. 578-579]
. . .
My decision was strongly supported by Vietnam veterans in Congress, especially Senators John Kerry, Bob Kerrey, and John McCain, and Congressman Pete Peterson of Florida, who had been a prisoner of war in Vietnam for more than six years. [p. 581]
. . .
After the meeting I went to Boston for a fund-raiser for Senator John Kerry, who was up for reelection and would likely face a tough opponent in Governor Bill Weld. I had a good relationship with Weld, perhaps the most progressive of all the Republican governors, but I didn't want to lose Kerry in the Senate. He was one of the Senate's leading authorities on the environment and high technology. He had also devoted an extraordinary amount of time to the problem of youth violence, an issue he had cared about since his days as a prosecutor. Caring about an issue in which there are no votes today but which will have a big impact on the future is a very good quality in a politician. [p. 659]
. . .
. . . [I]n July[,] I normalized relations with Vietnam, with the strong support of most Vietnam veterans in Congress, including John McCain, Bob Kerrey, John Kerry, Chuck Robb, and Pete Peterson . . . [p. 665]
. . .
At the end of the month, I announced that the Veteran's Administration would provide compensation to Vietnam veterans for a series of severe illnesses . . . that were associated with exposure to Agent Orange, a cause long championed by Vietnam veterans, Senators John Kerry and John McCain, and by the late Admiral Bud Zumwalt. [pp. 713-714]
. . .
. . . [F]our of the seven Senate candidates I had campaigned for won: Tom Harkin, Tim Johnson, John Kerry, and, in Louisiana, Mary Landrieu. [p. 734]
Besides repeating the "little-known fact" that John Kerry served in Vietnam, the best Clinton can muster is to say that Kerry knows a lot about technology and the environment. Actually, i thought that was Al Gore's bailiwick.
Sure, one might attribute the lack of extended praise to the mighty Clinton ego, but if you look elsewhere in the book you will find paragraph after paragraph where Clinton ladles extravagant compliments over the most minor characters in his life. i would think he'd have spent a little more time on the "next Democratic president of the United States" if he had really wanted to.
Then again, it's very likely that Clinton has someone else in mind to be the next Democratic president. Who could that be? Hmmmm . . . i don't know . . . Let me see . . . could it be . . . Satan?
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It raises a number of interesting questions, including the main point I keep trying to make:
Who on earth is the GOP going to run in 2008? The bench doesn't have any obvious young stars right now, unless folks really think the world is ready for a black woman (Rice) as president. Colin Powell is way too liberal for the hard right. Cheney is a non-starter. You have to have a pro-lifer, which knocks out Giuliani and Schwarzenegger, even if the latter can get a new constitutional amendment through. Jebbie? Not a chance, not with the infidelity issue so clear.
Posted by: Hugo at July 18, 2004 01:11 PM (ntfdi)
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Kerry a leading authority on technology? The man wants to prohibit the new manufacture of a class of firearms that are functionally no different than what was being made in the early 1900's. Assholes like him would replace the MAG-58 with a Vickers if left to his own devices.
But one thing you should keep in mind about the book: Herr Klinton is nothing if not egotistical. Any mention of anyone else will either be used to demonstrate his humility or to serve some other purpose. Don't be too shocked if he doesn't wax poetic about anyone to any degree that would overshadow him - unless of course he either A: would seem like an asshole in not doing it (i.e. talking of JFK fondly) or B: he can use it to cash in on something down the road.
The praise of seemingly minor characters in his life is easy: they pose no threat or challenge to him while bolstering his image as a "people person" (more or less). Odds are you wont' find anything so generous concerning someone he views as a rival.
I assume you've read Rand, Locke & others of similar mind so for an anti-dote after you're through reading Bill's book might I recommend something by John Ross or Boston T. Party? There are the almost polar opposite of any liberal/socilaist books flaoting around - possibly to the point where the ocnservative in you would find them extreme, but a little extremity is good for ya.
BTW, you do realize by mentioning that you're fascinated with slick willy you're just reinforcing your pro-lizard stance don't ya?
Posted by: Publicola at July 18, 2004 04:03 PM (Aao25)
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I KNEW she looked familiar!!
Posted by: Brent at July 18, 2004 06:19 PM (w+y2e)
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Clinton isn't a "Rhodes Scholar" any more than Annika is an admiral. He dropped out. Only people who finished the program are entitled to that title.
Posted by: Eric M. Johnson at July 18, 2004 10:24 PM (svki/)
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"Clinton is a competent writer, but he's no Thomas Jefferson."
And TJ didn't even have the army of ghost writers that one presumes did most of Bill's real work.
Posted by: Dave J at July 19, 2004 07:57 AM (VThvo)
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Kerry shows up
seven times in Clinton's book? Wow! I think that's more than he showed up for critical votes in the Senate last year, and probably a few more times than Slick and Satan were actually seen together in public (er, I mean Santa).
Posted by: d-rod at July 19, 2004 08:43 AM (/B70b)
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So when you are done with the book, I offer $5 (plus shipping) for you to send it to me, so I can be highly entertained as well : ) Since, you don't want to KEEP it do you? : )
Posted by: Jennifer at July 19, 2004 11:29 PM (iwROl)
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Maybe he tried to dumb the book down so his fans could read it?
Just one idea, LOL. And that was one great photo there -- scary.
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July 17, 2004
Blog Future Feature Teaser 3.0
Only
n more days until
Rip On Matt Iglesias Week!
No, not the dude that's engaged to Anna Kournikova. i'm talking about the liberal blogger who spells his last name incorrectly.
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He Said What i Been Saying, Only Better
If i might be allowed to boast a little, in a blog post yesterday,
Steven Den Beste articulates what i've been trying to tell people about the Iraq War for two years now. Summed up in my most pithy way: "
It's the regime change, stupid!"
At the risk of sounding like a "me-tooer" (i really have been making this point all along, but never as clearly, alas, than Mr. Den Beste) here is the relevant stuff, quoted at length:
WMDs were never the real purpose of the invasion. WMDs were the focus of the spotlight, however, because of serious diplomatic efforts to gain [United Nations Security Council] approval for an invasion. Within the context of the UNSC, the only way to justify an invasion was to claim that Iraq had not fully cooperated with UN inspectors. Which, . . . Saddam's government had not, even as late as March 2003.
But the public justification made in the UN had nothing to do with the real purpose, the real strategic goal which required the invasion. [Washington Monthly blogger Kevin Drum] makes casual reference to that, when he says, Facts on the ground have never been allowed to interfere with George Bush's worldview, and he wasn't about to take the chance that they might interfere with his war.
Except that 'facts on the ground' did not interfere or contradict the real purpose, which was to depose a corrupt dictator and to 'nation build' so as to make one core Arab nation a better place for the people living there. By so doing, the goal was to infect the imaginations and aspirations of the citizens in other nations in the region, to 'destabilize' the corrupt dictatorships in charge and to try to bring about long term change to the whole region. And that could not be publicly proclaimed at the time without deeply imperiling the strategy for the overall war.
So why were we at the UN? Mainly because Tony Blair needed to fulfill a promise made to the more leftist MPs in his party that he would not take the UK to war without a UNSC resolution or an 'unreasonable veto'. There were other reasons as well, but that was the most important one.
So we went to the UNSC to seek permission for something we actually had the capability of doing. (The only permission Bush actually required was granted to him by Congress in October of 2002.) And when it finally became clear that permission would not be forthcoming, we went ahead and did it anyway.
. . .
For some, that made it an 'illegal war'. It was a 'war of choice', not a 'war of necessity'. It was a 'violation of international law'.
None of those distinctions actually matter. . . . They're also all matters of opinion, subject to considerable dispute. . . .
. . . I happen to think that the invasion was necessary. But it wasn't necessary in order to gain revenge for direct Iraqi involvement in the 9/11 attack (there's no significant evidence that Saddam's government was directly implicated in that) or to prevent 'imminent danger'. It was necessary in order to prevent significant non-imminent danger.
Aha! There you go.
In my view, anti-war people have been too focused on the past. The war was illegal, they insist. There were no WMDs. Saddam and Al Qaeda didn't cooperate.
Neocons, of which i count myself one, always focused on the future. They said: After 9/11, we can no longer afford to trust that Saddam will not create and provide WMDs to the terrorists. WMDs which they intend to use against American civilians.
The existence or non-existence of WMDs in Iraq at the time of the war does not change the fact that Saddam . . . had . . . to . . . go.
Link props to David Boxenhorn, who has a slightly different take on justification and priorities.
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what about iran and kim mentally ill.
Posted by: Dex at July 16, 2004 08:45 PM (rPHeE)
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Cable companies have been given the green light to begin carrying the legendary and respected Arab based news channel.
Canadian viewers will soon be able to watch the Arabic Al-Jazeera network, after the federal broadcast regulator on Thursday approved the network's distribution by cable companies.
Cable companies have been eager to pick up the network, known as the more credible CNN of the Arab world, which was already being watched by some Canadians using "grey-market" technology that the Canadian Radio-television and Telecommunications Commission considers illegal.
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Posted by: Robert Mc-Clelland at July 17, 2004 10:19 AM (Wonhh)
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Methinks brother Mc-Clelland may have erroneously landed in the wrong blogland.
This here is Bush County; if you want sand, move to the Mideast.
Fallujah Delenda Est.
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The existence or non-existence of WMDs in Iraq at the time of war does not change the fact that Saddam had to go
Perhaps, but it does not change the fact that the President of the United States got on television and told bald faced lies (whether or not you believe he knew they were lies, they WERE lies nontheless). So now that the dust has settled and the voting public can look back at that decision with some perspective, can we punish a president for lying? I think we can. If we can punish a president for lying about a blowjob, then certainly we can punish a president for lying that caused the deaths of nearly 1000 US soldiers. This fact is not lost on those who support the military in so called red states. I am heartened when I talk to some family members back in Colorado (a red state) who voted for Bush in 2000 and are now thinking that the war wasn't such a hot idea and are seriously considering voting for Kerry. I think Bush has a real credibility problem that goes beyond flip-flopping. It is the lying and the company he keeps... Ken Lay, Prince Bandar, the Bin Ladin family... etc. I love his comments about Ken Lay after he was indicted. "He was an acquaintance from years ago. I really haven't had much contact with him..." Oh yeah, except that I flew around in his Enron jets during the 2000 presidential campaign. Hmmm.
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Graham - The community of nations may see more and more of the very kind of threat Iraq poses now: a rogue state with weapons of mass destruction, ready to use them or provide them to terrorists," the president of the United States warned. "If we fail to respond today, Saddam and all those who would follow in his footsteps will be emboldened tomorrow." The President was Bill Clinton. Was he a liar too?
The difference between GWB and BC is that BC relied on ineffectual, precision strike missiles with limited effects and thus minimal casualities while GWB relied on the one of the truest cliches in war - You may fly over a land forever; you may bomb it, atomize it, pulverize it and wipe it clean of life—but if you desire to defend it, protect it, and keep it for civilization, you must do this on the ground, the way the Roman legions did, by putting your young men into the mud.”
If the voters think GWB's approach was wrong - ok. Or that he, like BC, should have cleaned up the culture and stovepiped nature of the Intel Community - ok too.
But for lying?
JF Kerry said he was supporting the resolution “to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security.”
That was on Oct. 9, 2002. As the prospect of war rose, so did Kerry’s rhetoric. On Jan. 2003, Kerry said, “Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime. He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation….And now he is miscalculating America’s response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction…So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real.”
Umm..Kerry voted to give the President authority to use force against Iraq - but he along with the 76 other senators bear no responsibility for the resulting consequences?
Dex - We don't invade NK because our conflict is with China and we'd prefer it to go the route of the old Cold War where we either beat the economically or the impact of economic expansion causes an internal regime change..Why do you think China doesn't invade Taiwan? Neither of us want to start a major conflict..yet.
Iran - the geography makes it a little harder..also, there are reasons to hope the internal political dynamics within Iran may give rise to a more secular, (relatively) moderate state..especially with a Shia majority model next door in Iraq..and now they are squeezed between (hopefully) pro-US Iraq and Afghanistan..
Annika - You're partially right..but you can't forget the US is the global guarantor of oil for the world economy..if the House of Saud falls, which seemed (and still does) probable given their failure to deal with the radical elements in their own country, then either Iraq or Iran would likely make a move to protect the minority and poorly treated Shia in the NE where the oil fields are..and guess what would happen to the world economy then? It's a very complex campaign that could produce stunning impacts on the global security environment or become a protracted quagmire..the plan was good, but as they say, most plans are useless once the shooting starts..
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Unfortunately Col Steve, it sounds like your argument is that since Kerry and Bill Clinton also thought Saddam was a threat then they are may also be liars therefore Bush is not alone. Not a very convincing argument. A key phrase regarding the Kerry comment on Saddam is "I believe" why do you think Kerry would believe that Saddam was a grave threat? Perhaps bad intelligence that was not vetted and properly analyzed and not based on human intelligence other than disgruntled Iraqis like Ahmed Chalabi who has been shown to be a fraud. I can't blame Kerry for voting for a resoution authorizing force under such circumstances (also timed right before an election). I can't really blame 70% of Americans who think that Saddam was behind 9/11 attacks. However, I (and a majority of Americans will as well) blame the purveyors of both of those frauds who include Dick Cheney, Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle, Donald Rumsfeld, George Tenet and George Bush. They did not present any contradictory evidence or convey proper levels of uncertainty of their data. The public statements made by those people were very clear with out doubt or any sort of caveats. Letting the UN continue inspections might have revealed much more information. Do you remember what UNSCOM was doing right before the US/UK decided to invade? I do. They were destroying Al Samoud missiles that violated UN sanctions. The timing of the attack was a lie as well. Cynically, one might say it was to get the fighting and dying over with before Nov 2004 elections since that doesn't play well on TV during an election. Where are the cheering crowds and rose petal greetings that were mentioned? Sorry, I don't think you can drag down Kerry and Clinton on this one. Bush is the commander in chief, Bush made the call and told specific lies in the SoTU. The buck stops where???
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This says it all about how the election might go:
From a CBS News poll
ON WAR IN IRAQ, BUSH HAS BEEN:
Telling entire truth 18%
Hiding something 59%
Mostly lying 20%
A scientific poll with a +-3% error. NOT a web poll.
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Graham -
I was pointing out the inconsistency in your post. You wrote:
"Perhaps, but it does not change the fact that the President of the United States got on television and told bald faced lies (whether or not you believe he knew they were lies, they WERE lies nontheless)"
The key phrase you wrote was "(whether or not you believe he knew they were lies)."
If he KNEW the intelligence was falsified (and let Colin Powell go before the UN just like BC let his defenders did on Monica), then I would support your assertion we can "punish a president for lying."
You leave room for the possibility (personally you seem to have reach the conclusion GWB and others knew the intel was false) though that people took the intel community's products and analysis as reliable.
You let the Senators who voted to authorize (and continue to fund) operations in Iraq off the hook because they acted in good faith based on the intelligence -
"Perhaps bad intelligence that was not vetted and properly analyzed and not based on human intelligence other than disgruntled Iraqis like Ahmed Chalabi who has been shown to be a fraud."
I am challenging your inconsistency that if the President acted based on the same understanding of intelligence that the Senators received, then he can be held accountable for "lying" while the Senators cannot.
I acknowledge the President made decisions based on the intelligence and the voters should judge him for those decisions as well as the execution of those policies. But unless you believe he was lying (and where's the proof - I've worked in both the NSC and DOD since 98 and personally think that while there's been a lot of incompentent people from both adminstrations working in those orgs, I have never seen any indication or actions to falsify intelligence), the standards should be the same for both Congress and the President.
And if we're going to blame GWB for failure to challenge the intel community (after only 1 yr in office and it took 9/11 to get this administration to start getting its act together in the NSC and DOD), you have to ask what those House and Senate members on the Intelligence Oversight committees were doing for a decade as they handed out tens of billions of dollars and why folks in the last administration such as Sandy Berger and Bill Cohen reached the same conclusions as the Bush folks.
Oh, please stop the timing of the war was based on the election. If you've been to that region of the world and understand the influences of weather on basic military operations, you would reach the same conclusion that military planners did - you had to start operations before April or wait another 6 months. There was no "lie" - it was based on the optimal conditions to conduct operations - which I believe is a rational and sound position assuming you have decided to go to war.
Granted, you may have opted to wait and let the UN do its thing and that's was a feasible course of action. However, as Annika's original posting indicated, this whole campaign has a much greater endstate in mind. You may disagree with that endstate or may believe there are different policies to achieve it - we'll see what folks say in November.
As for your poll, the results don't seem to translate into how people are stating they'll vote. Also, if asked that question, I'd answer in the middle category. I work in this area and even I know I'm not privy nor should I be to all the information. But it's a false choice because "hiding something" is not qualified - does it mean hiding information he thinks should not get out because our enemies would also know it? or does it mean he's hiding secret memos where he told George Tenet to start making stuff up?
As for the Rose petal comment, I agree with you to an extent. The civilian leadership overruled the military planners (as is their right) based on bad assumptions (influence no doubt by Iraqi exiles) in terms of the amount of resources we should have had immediately after major combat operations in order to set the conditions for the post-hostilities stabilization and reconstruction operations. I think we learned a hard lesson at the cost of both time and human lives. I personally felt GWB should have fired some of the 2d tier Pentagon folks.
We'll see what the voter say in Nov.
Posted by: Col Steve at July 22, 2004 03:00 PM (DmFF+)
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My Blogroll Demographics
i just did a quick calculation of my blogroll's demographics to see if it's really as diverse as i'd like to think it is. Actually, it took a hell of a long time to go through the whole thing and the result is still an approximation. For my survey i looked at all my non-mu.nu blogs and included the mu.nu blogs i read regularly.
Here are my ethnic diversity numbers:
White bloggers: 81%
African-American bloggers: 2%
Hispanic bloggers: 1%
Asian or Pacific Islander bloggers: 5%
Native American bloggers: 0%
Other bloggers or ethnicity unknown: 11%
Pretty sad, i know. Here's my results for diversity of opinion:
Left-of-center bloggers: 10%
Right-of-center bloggers: 76%
Non-political bloggers: 14%
And finally, here's my results for gender:
Male bloggers: 63%
Female bloggers: 29%
Gay or bisexual bloggers: 1%
Mixed or unknown: 8%
Alright, that's it. Good way to kill time on a Friday morning when the boss is away. Please don't report me to the Equal Opportunity Blogroll Commission or anything.
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FYI: I am both African-American and Hispanic. Hope that helps.
Posted by: Dawn Summers at July 16, 2004 12:42 PM (HLOeu)
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Age would be another factor to consider. What percent of your readers are over/under 30? 40? 20? 60?
I teach gay and lesbian history and I have an Afro-Colombian girlfriend... does that help?
Posted by: Hugo at July 16, 2004 01:25 PM (ntfdi)
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Hey Dawn, i had you down for African-American, but i didn't know you were hispanic too. i ran the numbers again and revised for two other multi-racial bloggers i know of. Just like the census. It's hard to categorize bloggers unless they are open about their background. Glenn was easy 'cause his blog is called "Hi, I'm Black." But some bloggers don't even post with their name, so i can't even tell the sex. Categorizing by age would be super-hard, although i suspect a good percentage would be in their 20's and 30's, with a respectable number over 40. It was interesting going through all the blogs looking for that stuff. i don't know if it says anything about bloggers in general or if it's just my own taste. And Hugo, you got lumped in with the
SWM's, your girlfriend notwithstanding. ; )
Posted by: annika! at July 16, 2004 01:38 PM (zAOEU)
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Wow. I had no idea you could do such fancy work on your blog! I am glad I am unable, I waste too much time just having a counter attached!
Posted by: Jennifer at July 16, 2004 02:07 PM (Wr1uX)
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I teach gay and lesbian history
Annie,
This is just too cartoonish. Please tell me you are making this androphobe, Dworkin fantasy, male-feminist character up? I'll sleep much better knowing that.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at July 16, 2004 02:34 PM (bsJun)
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Miss Annika.
I can offer two suggestions to help with your diversity:
Alphecca (if he's not already on your list) http://alphecca.com/
& Right Side of the Rainbow
http://www.rightrainbow.com/
Both are run by gay men, are well written & pro-gun/right leaning.
Course I was most curious about a category you didn't mention: how many bloggers that you read are pro-dog or pro-cat? I trying times like these I think you're readers deserve to know which side you're on in the feline v. canine issue.
Posted by: Publicola at July 16, 2004 02:47 PM (Aao25)
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Ha Ha Publicola. i can't do that because then i have to get into who's pro-lizard and pro-marsupial and all that shit and it opens up a whole can of worms.
Posted by: annika! at July 16, 2004 03:15 PM (zAOEU)
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So, you're pro-lizard are you? Now we finally know Miss Annika's dirty little secret. I for one am shocked & disappointed, but so be it. Just watch V. I hope you'll do the right thing & re-think your position.
Posted by: Publicola at July 16, 2004 03:29 PM (Aao25)
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Radical redneck, you must come visit me sometime, big boy...
And I'll bet my redneck bona-fides are pretty damn good too. I know my way around a John Deere, I've got lots of Merle Haggard and Steve Earle CDs, and in high school, went through a tin or two of Copenhagen (never Skoal).
And Annie, I am decidedly pro-rodent.
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Dawn is about as 'African' as I am.
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Some Advice For The Two Johns Regarding The Upcoming Debates
My advice for the two Johns (which will help them in the upcoming debates with President Bush and Vice-President Cheney) is to stick to format. They should not change their message now, it's obviously very popular among their supporters. But i would suggest that they simplify the message so that it's easier to understand. You see there's quite a few dim-bulbs out there who would vote Democrat if only the Democratic platform were shorter and easier to commit to memory.
Here's my advice:
To John Edwards: You're the attack dog. So every time Dick Cheney says something, your retort should include the word "Halliburton." It might be difficult to work that into all your debate answers, so if you get stuck simply begin yelling "HALLIBURTON! HALLIBURTON! HALLIBURTOOOOON!" You will surely get a loud cheer out of the hand picked audience of CNN approved lefty Bush-haters. And the beauty of this debate tactic, besides its simplicity, is that every wacked out lefty understands it, because they revert back to the same tactic themselves whenever confronted by that pesky foe known as "logical reasoning."
To John Kerry: Try not to speak. But if you must, follow the same strategy outlined above, except say "Vietnam" instead of "Halliburton."
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Bonus points and a possible landslide victory if the sentence "Halliburton is Dick Cheney's Vietnam" is used. (Extra super duper points, if it's responsive.)
Posted by: Dawn at July 16, 2004 10:10 AM (HLOeu)
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Whenever I hear Kerry talking about Vietnam, I for some inexplicable reason can't help but remember Dana Carvey as George H.W. Bush at the outset of Desert Storm.
"This country has learned the lesson of Vietnam. Which is: do not fight in Vietnam."
Posted by: Dave J at July 16, 2004 01:12 PM (VThvo)
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July 15, 2004
Don't Let Anybody Fool You
Downtown Sac-town has just as many weirdos as any other self respecting city. Take for instance
Homo Sapiens Fountainus-walkus. He's out there now, tramping around with his backpack, walking in the fountain and fouling the water with his disgusting feet.
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Blog Future Feature Teaser 2.0
Maybe i should change the name from "Rip Matt Yglesias Week" to something else. "Rip" looks to much like "R.I.P.," which is not exactly the message i want to convey.
Update: i got it! i'll call it "Rip On Matt Iglesias Week."
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