March 21, 2004
Left Of Center With A Sense Of Humor
It is refreshing when a leftie isn't so damn angry that he still retains a sense of humor.
OLDCATMAN is one, and his newest blog is quite funny. He's retained the allcaps, but thankfully he's toned down the font size for more pleasant reading. i loved this graphic:
LOL, i'd love to see that kind of ballot in November! Thanks, OLDCATMAN.
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Thanks for the comments---I like comments from folks
who have the intellect to write and not report...................
The CAPS: I am actually using a Capitals font as my default font.....and upper case is larger....I change now & then!
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Sunday Morning Weapons Trivia
Trivia Question: In the name of the famous British submachine gun of WWII, what does "STEN" stand for?
Check out this very interesting and informative site for the answer.
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Very cool, Annie. I did not know that. (I'd bet dollars to doughnuts that my dad
did know it, though . . . )
Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 21, 2004 09:53 AM (of2d1)
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And the Bren gun--also from a Czech design--was a combination of BRno-ENfield
Posted by: hatcher at March 21, 2004 12:46 PM (6ilou)
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It is an interesting site but I found a couple of errors.
The main one that I saw was their repetition of the alleged tactical deficiency of the Garand - that when the rifle is empty the enemy knows this because of the "ping" made when the empty clip is ejected. Have you ever shot a .30-06 w/o hearing protection? Do you have any idea how hard it'd be to listen for a "ping" with massive "booms" going off all around you? If you're close enough to hear the "ping" odds are your hearing has already been damaged by muzzle blast. & even if for some reason you did hear the "ping" it'd do you know good. Let's say it takes 2 seconds to load a Garand (a Garand is much faster to load than a magazine fed rifle). You'd have to be within 14 yards to make an effecient & succesful charge of the soldiers position. Now if you got to within 14 yards of a soldier with a Garand trying to stop you then that's probably the soldier's fault & an empty or loaded garand wouldn't matter.
But the idea that enemies waited to hear the "ping" & charge is a rumor with no credibility to it.
Another thing was about the 1911 pistol. Now I admit I'm not a big fan of the cartridge but I'm not a big opponent of it either. That being said the 300ft-lbs of energy they make a big deal of isn't a big deal. Least not by itself. Many smaller, more ineffecient cartridges produce energy higher than 300 ft-lbs. Raw energy alone isn't that significant. & with that in mind I think they seriously erred in stating it was the "...most powerful weapon in war service." In 1911 troops were issued the 1903 Springfield which fires the .30-06 Springfield which produces something like 8 times the energy of the .45acp (if we accept their idea that raw energy alone is the final word on stopping power).
But it is an interesting site. Just take some of the descriptions with a grain of salt.
Posted by: Publicola at March 21, 2004 12:58 PM (Aao25)
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P,
The apocryphal story about Garand clips pinging on the ground is something my dad heard directly from a Korea veteran when he was in the service, so I'm not entirely sure it's apocryphal.
However, even if it's true, it's not much of a deficiency: The same guy told Dad that they used this so-called weakness their advantage. Take a couple of guys with full Garands, toss an empty clip on the ground, then mow down the competition when they charge the foxhole full of "empty" rifles. Suckers.
You're quite right about the 1911; 300-some ft-lbs of energy isn't terribly much even for a pistol, and it's not even in the same ballpark with rifle cartridges (or at least military rifles in use for the past hundred years or so). Soldiers are the greatest proponents of myth and legend on the face of the earth, and that includes the stories they tell about their weapons, both good and bad. That's why those who rely on soldiers' anecdotes are apt to be led astray when it comes to details of guns and ammo and their performance. It's also why, when I hear soldiers today complaining about the terrible ineffectiveness of the M16 and M9, I take their complaints with a grain of salt (even though both weapons legitimately
are underpowered, in my view).
Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 21, 2004 05:05 PM (of2d1)
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M,
I've heard the same story from vets as well - but I've never heard any vet who has directly experienced this. It sounds credible on its face but the reality is that if an enemy was close enough to hear the ping odds are he wouldn't be able to hear it clearly enough to figure out where to charge. & even if he did some how miraculously zero in on the ping he'd have to be pretty damn close to cover the distance before a soldier could reload a Garand.
But even if it has some validity its more a testament to the ignorance of an enemy than an indictment of the Garand's shortcomings. Might as well charge a machine gun when it stops firing a burst cause that undoubtedly means they're completely out of ammo.
BTW the garand does have 3 faults that I know of: firing 40+ rounds per minute for 20 minutes in a monsoon might let the grease on the op rod track wash away & cause the op rod to seize up: partial clips can be difficult to load; & the damned thing just won't float! (thought with a synthetic stock filled with foam....)
But facts aside (why do I sound like a spokeperson for the VPC with that intro?)the soldier's stories abotu their weapons (good & bad) is something we should pay attention to: it gives us an idea of how much confidence they have in their arms. Confidence is something we can't neglect when it comes to the front line troops, so even if they feel their brand new federation pulse rifles aren't adequate Romulan stoppers (despite it being proven that they are) it's usually better to go ahead & let 'em have Disruptors than have them go into combat less than sure of themselves & their arms.
But one day let's knock back a drink (or twelve) & discuss the merits (or lack thereof) of issuing a 10mm pistol for the troops (after we start re-issuing Garands of course).
Posted by: Publicola at March 21, 2004 06:25 PM (Aao25)
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P,
Much as I love the Garand, if we're going to start re-issuing a rifle, let's make it the M14. It's just a Garand on steroids, anyway.
You're right that the troops' confidence in their weapons should be given weight. I didn't say to ignore anecdotes entirely; I just said to take 'em with a grain of salt. The thing is, if the pulse rifle's genuinely a better weapon, the better solution might be to edumacate the troops, rather than give 'em an inferior weapon for the sake of boosting morale. That's at best a temporary solution. Elan, esprit de corps and good morale get one only so far. Just ask
the French.
Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 21, 2004 06:49 PM (of2d1)
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Publicola, you should be proud of me, i
was sorta suspicious of the Garand "ping" story (you taught me that), and the claim that the Colt 1911 was "the most powerful weapon in war service." After all, weren't Fat Man and Little Boy weapons?
Matt, historically, we Americans have been known to work wonders with inferior weapons: c.f. how the "Thatch Weave" turned the Wildcat into a match for the Zero.
Posted by: annika! at March 21, 2004 09:29 PM (jyRhN)
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M,
(why am I having an "I'm really a 00 agent" flashback?)
The M14 is acceptable. For a start at least.
& the M14 isn't exactly a Garand on steroids - not if you go by chambering at least. I know it's simply a matter of preference but I got this thing for the '06 & the 7.62 just ain't the same. Don't get me wrong - it's great for what it is I just prefer the '06.
As far as functioning goes a lot fo peeps say the M14 gas system is an improvement, but I'll argue that the Garand's gas system is more reliable. & the mag v. en bloc clip thing - both have advantages & disadvantages but I'm partial to the clip system. At the least I don't think it's a significant disadvantage over a mag system if (big if) you learn how to work it.
But the M14 would be acceptable. Hell, a Lee-Enfield or '17 Enfield would be an acceptable replacement for the one we have now.
& you're right that education is better than simple appeasement. But if the Disruptor is equally as good or better than the Fed Pulse Rifle then you have to consider that sometimes it's more practical to re arm than re-educate.
Besides, what we're talking about (in rather amusing veiled tones) is the M16. I know if I was going into harm's way with one of those things I'd be shakier than normal. Now even if the M16 is adequate for the military's purposes I'd say it'd be better to upgrade than to try to convince a soldier that the little .224" bullet will put an enemy down - eventually! & that the gas system is fine even though it defecates where it eats & jam clearance isn't that difficult anyhow.
& why'd ya wanna go & bring the French into this - we're talking about a martial issue. lol
But it'd be interesting to get Q..er, I mean A's perspective on this.
Posted by: Publicola at March 21, 2004 09:34 PM (Aao25)
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A,
(sorry - this initial kick is hard to give up)
I am proud of you. (morphs into his father/uncle voice - but not a father/uncle that's the same person - either a father or uncle voice) When I saw your first gun related post on that Nazi belt fed machine gun I knew you had potential. Sure, some of my friends scoffed. They didn't think a cute blonde in SF could even get close to being a gun nut - not even a cute conservative blonde in SF. Well you've showed them how wrong they were. Never mind the fact that you're in LA now, or that you live in a state where gun owners have to tie pink ribbons around their muzzles (of the guns that is - not the gun owners)to show fealty to the state. You know to be suspicious of an anecdotal story about a Garand even if it seems valid on its surface. (morphs out of father/uncle voice)
But I would disagree about having inferior weapons. Ya see, it's not usually a contest of technology (although to an extent this has happened) but a contest of how to use the available technology. The Zero was very fast & very manuverable - but it was lightly armored & the fuel tanks paid off big if you could hit 'em. The Wildcat was slower & not as agile, but had more protection. So once we figured out how to use what we had it seemed like we bested their tech, but in reality we bested their technique.
BTW, I've been on a SW kick lately (despite the ST references with M) & if you do some reading - especially the Rogue Squadron series - you'll see that Lucas took the concepts for the Tie & X Wing from the Zero & Corsair. The Tie was fast & maneuverable but had no shields & no hyperdrive while the X-Wing had shields & a hyperdrive. There were other similarities but I promised myself to only reveal so much "geekiness" per post.
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March 20, 2004
Andrew Sullivan Mobies Himself
It's funny. i first learned about the verb "to Moby" by
reading Andrew Sullivan.
As i understand it, Mobying is when someone posts something on a conservative forum, pretending to be a conservative, but saying liberal things in order to confuse and promote disillusionment among conservative voters.
Like for instance, this recent Andrew Sullivan post, where he actually suggests that John Kerry might be obliged to be strong in the War on Terror, simply because he's a Democrat. (An interesting theory, which requires one to ignore our last two Democratic presidents in order to keep from laughing uncontrollably at it.)
Says Andrew Sullivan:
Sometimes, a Democrat has to be tougher than a Republican in this area - if only to credentialize himself. I can certainly conceive of Richard Holbrooke being a tougher secretary of state than Colin Powell. I'm not yet convinced and want to hear much more from Kerry. But I'm persuadable.
Sullivan just lost a lot of credibility in my book with that statement. There is no way in hell that Kerry would not be a complete disaster on any national security issue you can name. The man hates the military and they hate him. He's made a career out of undermining and betraying our Armed Forces and our Intelligence Services. And Sullivan is "persuadable" on this? i think AS has let his anger over the Marriage Amendment thing cloud his judgment and common sense.
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Sometimes Sullivan also really has a talent for revealing his own ignorance through his comments. Richard Holbrooke would have almost certainly been Al Gore's Secretary of State; if the two of them were running things, we'd still be negotiating with the Taliban.
Posted by: Dave J at March 20, 2004 08:03 PM (+MjkF)
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I have valued Sullivan's opinion for some time now. I'm in favor of gay marriage, but God Almighty- Andrew has gone over the edge about it. I've idly wondered how his health is. Is he getting sicker, and worried he might die without making a full contribution to the gay marriage cause?
I've heard Sullivan speak biographically, and read some too. In his life, he has consistently staked out contrarian positions on a number of issues. It has been a habit for him-- since childhood almost, to be holding unpopular ground. I've wondered if his Kerry flirtations are almost an unconscious fulfillment of this lifelong predilection?
Whatever one's problems with Bush, Kerry is an almost unimaginable ass for a Presidential Candidate. Kerry is arrogant and unstable- witness his latest exaggeration-- the "flying acrobatic dog" story. One has to go through agonizing logical gymnastics to justify supporting Kerry. I KNOW Sulliven must know better. Which is why I formulated my wild psychotheory about Sullivan's support of Kerry.
BTW, if he can keep things moving forward in the War on Terror, I think Bush may go down as one of our greatest Presidents. I do hope, once he's re-elected, Bush can stop creating those damn entitlement programs. That's my biggest gripe with him.
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I agree that AS is losing credibility with comments like "I'm persuadable." I haven't been able to bear reading him regularly in almost a year. I think he gets so hung up on his own issues (like gay marriage) that he can't work his way back around to a clear perspective on everything else. It's a shame, really, because he has such a broad reach...
Posted by: Rich at March 20, 2004 09:45 PM (PRH1C)
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Long time no visit......interesting: A creative conservative!
You, my lady , are a rarity!
Anyway, asking old contacts to check out my 'new concept' blog (Warning: I, like so many creative people, am a liberal!
Posted by: OLDCATMAN at March 21, 2004 06:33 AM (JWYAf)
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Sullivan seems to have written off his War on Terror support for Bush over his passion for the gay marriage issue. At various times he written in much the same way about Edwards and even Dean.
He seems to have taken an anybody but Bush position.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at March 21, 2004 07:58 AM (CSxVi)
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i agree with Sullivan on gay marriage. i wish he would see it as i do and stop worrying. Bush can't stop it from happening and there's more important things to worry about. Then again, Sullivan is gay and i'm not, so i understand why he would take Bush's opposition harder than i do.
Hey OLDCATMAN, what happenned to the all caps?
Posted by: annika! at March 21, 2004 09:11 AM (e0uZt)
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Ha Ha Ha Roll Tide!
Ha Ha Ha Ha!
Bye bye Stanford, you were so overrated!
i love it. Oh baby, ain't second round upsets a bitch?!
Now that the season's over for him, maybe Josh Childress is free to go make the next House Party movie.
Woooo hoooo!
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Oh they had a little party down in Newport, there was Harry there was Mary there was Grace...
Glory be to God and all that, the hated Farm is out. Roll Tide indeed, Annika!
Off to the Conga Room.
Hugo
Posted by: Hugo at March 20, 2004 07:34 PM (r5lEF)
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damn, I had their overated azz going to the 3rd round.
Posted by: jim at March 20, 2004 09:37 PM (lN8eP)
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Hey Kidd! I don't know what it is about this here groove that's makin' me move. But it sure is funky.
I never took you for a fan, Annika.
Posted by: Kin at March 21, 2004 12:28 AM (ZQldT)
Posted by: Scof at March 22, 2004 12:22 AM (pSJpd)
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Vanderbilt, dead-eye shooting group of smart players....Did anyone see that back-door cut and that pass with 7 seconds left?? NC State was in shock...
And the best thing is, the media will continue to sell them short all week, adding more locker room billboard quotes....
Posted by: Jason O. at March 22, 2004 06:27 AM (QyDeG)
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All I can say is: "GO POKES!!!"
Anyone watch Oklahoma State dismantle Memphis? That was the most fun I've had since OSU beat Texas for the third time this year!
I don't want to jinx it, but this team could win it all. (How do you keep your fingers crossed in cyberspace?)
OOOOOOOO-SSSSSSSS-UUUUUUUU
Posted by: John at March 22, 2004 06:35 AM (7UPKM)
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Kerry Insults The Help
i told you
Kerry would self-destruct. The process has already begun. The polls may not show it now, or ever, but Kerry keeps making the type of blunders that will not endear him to the undecideds.
From the New York Times:
On his first full day off . . . Mr. Kerry awoke determined to hit the slopes of Mount Baldy.
. . . [A] reporter and a camera crew were allowed to follow along on skis — just in time to see Mr. Kerry taken out by one of the Secret Service men, who had inadvertently moved into his path, sending him into the snow.
When asked about the mishap a moment later, he said sharply, 'I don't fall down,' then used an expletive to describe the agent who 'knocked me over.'
The incident occurred near the summit. No one was hurt, and Mr. Kerry came careering down the mountain moments later, a look of intensity on his face, his lanky frame bent low to the ground.
His actual words were: “I don't fall down, . . . son of a bitch knocked me over."
If character counts, can we really count on this character? What an asshole.
Ass . . . hole.
A smart pro quarterback will always remember to lavish expensive gifts on his offensive line whenever he can. Then there are the idiot quarterbacks who blame their offensive line when things go wrong. Those QB's don't last long. The lesson is, be good to the guys who are there to save your ass. Be very good to them.
Kerry is not only an asshole, he's an idiot. You don't insult someone who's job is to take your bullet.
Moxie makes a great point:
Last summer President Bush fell off a Segway -- on a mode of transport in which it was allegedly impossible to do so. He didn't turn it on first to activate the gyroscopes, but he never blamed anyone. He also managed to leap to safety, landing on his feet.
This is a fundamental difference between John FrankenKerry [link omitted] and George W. Bush.
One takes his blunder in stride and the other points fingers, verbally disrespects someone who protects him all while displaying clear signs of schizophrenia. Some delusions of grandeur . . .
And whatÂ’s up with the snowboarding? Are we going to see Kerry on a skateboard next? Talk about self-conscious pandering. This guyÂ’s ridiculous.
Hugh Hewitt linked to a story about asshole Kerry's shopping trip photo-op.:
The Massachusetts senator and his daughter Vanessa, 27, were escorted from their stately red brick townhouse in Beacon Hill to a nearby Borders bookstore by a seven-car motorcade — two police cars, three SUVs loaded with Secret Service agents and two minivans stuffed with reporters.
A carefully planned photo-op.
[A] gaggle of reporters tailed the senator on his round of errands, just in case he made news.
They were on hand as Kerry perused the history section at Borders, picked up his bicycle from a repair shop and even when he bought a jockstrap, among other items, at a local sporting goods shop.
He bought a jockstrap during a photo-op?!
At Borders, he pulled several books off the shelves - including weighty tomes such as 'The Fabric of the Cosmos: Space, Time and the Texture of Reality' by Brian Greene and Walter Isaacson's biography of Benjamin Franklin, slinging them under his arm as he wandered around the store.
Carefully chosen by his handlers because of their titles, which in combination suggest erudition and intellectual curiosity, despite the fact that he will never have time to read these thick books.*
At one point, Kerry asked store manager Don Durica if he had a copy of David Cay Johnston's 'Perfectly Legal: The Covert Campaign to Rig Our Tax System to Benefit the Super Rich - and Cheat Everybody Else.' The book was quickly procured.
Of course it was, iÂ’m sure asshole KerryÂ’s handlers called ahead of time to make sure it was there.
As Kerry left - with seven books, including such titles as 'Middlesex,' 'One Hundred Years of Solitude' and 'Charlie Wilson's War' - Durica thanked him profusely for stopping by.
Again, books chosen for their publicity value. i can almost picture how the pre-shopping trip strategy session went.
“Sir, I recommend you buy these two books. Middlesex is very popular with your young single female base and that book by the Spanish guy is always assigned in every college lit class. Plus it’s on Oprah’s club.”
“Well bring em on, then!”
The last book,
Charlie Wilson's War, was probably chosen to appeal to the Democratic anti-war base. The ones who can read, that is.
Then JFK and his entourage bounced on over to the sporting goods store, where . . .
the candidate bought a pair of running shorts, some tennis balls and the athletic supporter.
<sarcasm>Oh wait a minute, i take it back. If Kerry bought some tennis balls and a jockstrap and in such a public way, he must really have a big set of genitals. i think iÂ’ll vote for him.</sarcasm>
Duhh. His handlers must be ridiculously clueless.
* Actually, Al Gore's favorite book, Stendahl's Le Rouge et le Noir, reminds me a lot of John Kerry. It's about a cynical, arrogant, ambitious, gold-digging, amoral French prick.
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Excellent entry annika. The guy's a self-serving asshole who thinks he is god's gift to both sexes and all generations. An f'ing jockstrap? After being endorsed by an anti-semite muslim & a socialist appeaser, one would think Kerry has all the
support he needs...or perhaps, after saying "Bring it on!" and taking a beating this last week, he's doin what he can to protect "deez nuts".
Posted by: Scof at March 20, 2004 03:46 PM (XCqS+)
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Oy. DRIVE from Beacon Hill to Downtown Crossing? It's a fifteen-minute walk at the most, depending on where you're coming from. The mind boggles. This is already almost down there with Cynthia McKinney being driven, at taxpayer expense, in her chauffered limo from her Capitol Hill townhouse something like three blocks to one of the House office buildings.
If this trend of self-destrcutivness continue, I look forward to Kerry going the way of Howard Dean. Which reminds me, isn't Al Gore due to endorse Kerry sometime soon? That should seal his fate.
Posted by: Dave J at March 20, 2004 03:47 PM (+MjkF)
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Why does he need a jockstrap? He doesn't have any...
Posted by: Mark D at March 22, 2004 10:38 AM (oQofX)
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i Was Hoping For Iron Man, But...
Which Colossal Death Robot Are You?
Holy Prime Directive, you're Robocop!
Well, you're neither colossal, nor technically a robot, but your arthritic lurching and dubious morals have found their way into the hearts of futuristic rebels and children everywhere. You walk through fire, catch bullets from the air, and you never, ever smile. Combine this with an abstract, almost random concept of duty and honour, and you have a police officer one cannot fail to adore.
Thank you, Robocop.
Got this one offa Uncle Screwtape knows best.
More: This quiz is actually very thought provoking. i started wondering: what are the qualities i would look for in an ideal colossal death robot. i think they would be the following:
- benevolence;
- indestructibility;
- gigantic size;
- loyalty;
- a silvery exterior.
You'll notice that i didn't include intelligence on the list. Intelligence is for androids. I think benevolence is the most important quality for a colossal death robot. i mean, what good is a colossal death robot if it's just going to go around killing the wrong people and destroying things that you need? Loyalty is also very important. That was Iron Man's flaw. Although he was benevolent at one time, he became a big problem when he decided to "kill the people he once saved." A silvery exterior is also important, aesthetically. i know some people like gold robots, but really, how intimidating was C3P0? Silver is the best color for a colossal death robot, in my opinion.
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Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 20, 2004 03:24 PM (of2d1)
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Um, OK, so Bender from Futurama is more of a robot than Robocop, but has far less going for him in the "collosal" and "death" departments. But, in fairness, Iguess I can accept that it probably fits. I'm not quite still hungover from last night, but I'm not exactly feeling great either...
Posted by: Dave J at March 20, 2004 03:39 PM (+MjkF)
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Colossal Death Robots would make excellent high school mascots! Ain't no mortal Lion or Eagle gonna take down a Colossal Death Robot! The superpowers would be inspirational, and would work well in cheerleader chants and posters. There would be no danger of offending any human groups, such as "Guatemalans." There could be trouble from wimp-ass "Anti-Violence" people-- but the positives outweigh the negatives-- and I feel this could be overcome. Unless another school adopts a mascot that can target our official Robot weakness-- our Kryptonite, as it were-- we are home free in the mascot fight, as we will kill any regular mascot in poster combat! Robot superpowers rule!
Posted by: gcotharn in Texas at March 20, 2004 09:15 PM (rZmE1)
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I am soooo Optimus Prime.
Posted by: Kin at March 21, 2004 12:38 AM (ZQldT)
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Um, OK, so Bender from Futurama is more of a robot than Robocop, but has far less going for him in the "collosal" and "death" departments.
But what if he was 500 ft. tall?
"I came here with a simple dream. A dream of killing all humans. And this is how it must end? Who's the real 7 billion ton robot monster here? Not I, not I..."
Posted by: D at March 21, 2004 01:36 AM (n3IaT)
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As always, your insightful commentary is what keeps me coming back to your site....
Posted by: Susie at March 21, 2004 08:04 AM (foeQj)
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March 18, 2004
Lying Sack Of Shit Professor
Sorry, that's how i feel about lying sack of shit "professor" Kerri Dunn of Claremont McKenna College. CMC is a local, highly rated university, which now has a bit of a credibility issue, thanks to "professor" Dunn.
Dunn claimed that her car had been vandalized while she was speaking at an on campus event about hate crimes.
The windows were broken, the tires were slashed, and the body of the vehicle was spray painted with various racial and homophobic epithets.
A big brouhaha ensued, the police and the FBI were called in to investigate, CMC was closed down along with the other four sister schools of the Claremont Colleges. People ran around like chickens with their heads cut off, wailing about a "crisis" of hate crimes.
Then it was revealed that lying sack of shit professor vandalized her own car and made a fraudulent police report about the incident. This Powerline essay contains the best blog coverage of this outrage, with pictures of the loser. Infinite Monkeys' commentary is also a must read. Ben's money quote is this:
Understand . . . that there really is a war of ideas being waged in the United States and around the world today. The self-styled forces of 'progress' believe that justice is on their side. And they'll lie and cheat to make damned certain of it.
People like Dunn believe that the ends justify the means. They're so convinced that they have to take action on their pet causes, raise consciousness, fight the fight, that they end up shooting themselves in the foot by their own lack of morals and ethics.
Legitimate hate crimes do occur. Now this bitch just singlehandedly cast a shadow of doubt on all such future incidents, legit or otherwise. i wonder if the KKK and various neo-nazi groups will be sending her a thank you note. They should, she's done them quite a favor.
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When I was in college, there was an African-American girl who found n-word epithets on her dormroom door and complained she was the victim of a hate crime. She got loads of sympathy from professors, students, and the campus police until it finally came out that she'd done it to herself. How can you take real threats seriously when you have to wonder if the looney has done it to himself?
Posted by: Sarah at March 19, 2004 12:12 AM (hC4Ot)
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This is all about getting attention, and rationalizing this prof's job, among other things.
Her mantra appears to be instead of "publish or perish," it's about self-preservation and fabrication, even it means destroying HER OWN PROPERTY to support her assertions.
If one resorts to this method to raise consciousness, then it speaks volumes about a very sick mindset.
Must have a great car insurance policy, yes?
Posted by: joe at March 19, 2004 04:42 AM (WH0ju)
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Yeah, all that property damage just to try to make a point. She should have just drawn a backwards swastika on her forehead in the mirror and claimed skinheads did it, like Morton Downey, Jr.
Posted by: Jim Treacher at March 19, 2004 05:48 AM (f9NR1)
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Hold on a minute here, Annie, I heard yesterday on the news that she categorically denies doing it herself and was willing to be examined on the issue. The fact that a couple of students claim they saw her doing it does not convict her.
If she did it, I'm with you, but somehow I still live here in America where you are innocent until proven guilty, and a couole of kids are not necessarily the proof I'd require.
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Posted by: Jim Treacher at March 19, 2004 07:55 AM (f9NR1)
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I got accepted to CMC out of high school. Too expensive to go. UofAz gave me a scholarship and was less PC as well...
Posted by: Scof at March 19, 2004 08:08 AM (XCqS+)
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99% of academia sucks big fat fucking cock! How I survived my multiple degrees with even a shred of (debatable) sanity is beyond me.
"Hate Crimes" are horseshit. Almost all things like this turn out to be a hoax because the dregs know it will get alot of attention from the professionally aggrieved. Another attempt at mind control by the power mad leftists ably assisted by their army of useful idiots.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 19, 2004 08:24 AM (tyrEY)
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Shelly,
How many eye witnesses does it take to convince you? They weren't "just kids," they were college students and thus probably at least 18 to their early 20s.
Posted by: Mike at March 19, 2004 09:02 AM (vowtr)
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Annika, crime is crime is crime is crime. So called "hate crimes" are horse shit to begin with. Let's get really, really honest here. All "hate crime" legislation is directed toward punishing "white" people.
Hope I don't sound off my rocker here, but there are all sorts of criminals and just because they commit a crime against someone of an opposite race doesn't make it a "hate crime." And if they call them a naughty name(s) ("N-word" "WOP" "Kike" "Greaser" "Beaner" "Cracker") well, they should get over it. They're just names and some idiot is throwing them out there to offend the other idiots that are dumb enough to be offended.
There are blacks that hate Asians and sometimes they beat the shit out of them. They should be caught and convicted of assault. Same if a white person beats the hell out of a black person or an Asian - whatever.
Legislating "hate crimes" will get as out of control as "affirmative action," which is another pointless exercise in bleeding heart, we can save the world's feelings, liberalism.
As far as this professor goes, I agree with Radical Redneck on this one. Most professors suck. I generally read and learn on my own and I'm fortunate enough to have a good family that works hard and when it comes to passing classes I just tell the professors what they want to hear to get passing grades and generally keep my mouth shut in class.
You can't reason with the unreasonable. I intend to get my degree and get a job that suits me and live my life as I see fit. Thanks.
Jason H.
Austin, Texas
Jason H.
Austin, Texas
Posted by: Jason H. at March 19, 2004 01:40 PM (yDD8m)
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and as far as the hate crimes thing, i just got a pet peeve when folks use that terminology. so this is my missive about hate crimes, thanks to annika for giving me the space to do this.
you shouldn't make motive a crime. the crime in a skinhead beating up a gay dude is the beating, not that fact that we don't like that he is skinhead who hates gays. hate is part of human nature. hate is not illegal. hate sucks, nobody wants to be hated, but hate is not illegal. we will always have it, regardless if some law tacks on an extra 10 years for beating a man because you hate him. and some might say well it couldn't hurt to stiffen the penalty, but it very well could:
(1) the law itself serves no purpose. thousands of years of multiple religions preaching love and peace and we still have hate. hate crimes law will not change that. human nature is what it is.
(2) the practice of stiffening the penalty/adding more laws just because it might work is the exact opposite of the prudence & caution we should expect from our lawmakers.
(3) do we really want Ted Kennedy helping to decide what constitutes hate and what doesn't?
Or do we want to leave this to the courts, so some judge, educated by people like Prof. Kerri Dunn at CMS, can decree what ideas about hate we need to hold in our heads?
Or perhaps worse yet a jury -- the same mouth-breathing fools who award old ladies millions of dollars for spilling hot coffee on themselves? Juries have a hard enough time deciphering facts (i.e. - did this man beat that man?), do we really want these folks getting paid 5 bucks a day to chase down something as ephemeral as the nature of hate?
Cal Coolidge said real reform does not begin with the law but ends with it. Preventing skinheads from beating jews/gays/etc., indeed preventing them from choosing to be a skinhead at all, is not something hate crimes legislation will help with. It will just cause more problems than it is worth because the law should be very very very cautious in dealing with the area of what men hold in their heads.
Posted by: Scof at March 19, 2004 03:17 PM (XCqS+)
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Sorry Mike, to me they are college kids. Perhaps they are telling the truth, and it is she who has commited a heinous crime. But I used to be a Judge and I have seen lots of people try to lie, and others corroborate their lies.
But courts of law have a way of bringing out the truth, especially under quality cross-examination. I prefer to withhold judgment until I see that happen.
So my earlier comment stands, this is America, and people are innocent until proven guilty. So, the jury is still out with me, but I can't condemn this lady, who denies the charge, without hearing more.
Posted by: shelly s. at March 19, 2004 03:47 PM (qg4Lf)
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According to the President of CMC, "A hate crime such as this one is the greatest imaginable affront to everything that we stand for at CMC."
Geez. Really? Smashed windows and slashed tires are the worst thing she can imagine? Pathetic. But typical. Forget for the moment that this whole incident was probably staged by the professor herself. The Left's moral compass is broken: They frequently can't distinguish big evils from little evils, and in some cases they can't distinguish good from evil at all.
Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 20, 2004 06:32 AM (of2d1)
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"Professor" Dunn is yet another example of how utterly desperate liberals are to impose their views on the rest of the planet. If there is any justice, she should be fired and serve jail time.
Dumb ass.
Posted by: Mark at March 20, 2004 12:27 PM (Vg0tt)
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From the LA Times, Sunday, March 21, 2004:
Dunn could not be reached for comment Saturday. In anticipation of Saturday's announcement, her attorney, Gary Lincenberg, on Friday said: "Hopefully, putting professor Dunn on paid leave will give the authorities time to find the criminals who vandalized her car. We don't object to her being put on paid leave. We think that, given the highly charged atmosphere that has been created, it's appropriate."
"Professor Dunn has Â… continued to deny any involvement in the alleged crime, and we should all respect her constitutional rights to due process, including the presumption of innocence," Pamela Gann, the president of Claremont McKenna College, said in a prepared statement released Saturday
Posted by: Shelly S. at March 21, 2004 06:29 AM (6bDIY)
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Shelly, I agree completely. I am a student at CMC, and I've had Professor Dunn. If she committed this deception, I will certainly feel angry and betrayed. I am, however, able to realize that there is an "if". Especially in a country where an individual is presumed innocent until proven guilty, I am appalled that there are so many people ready to burn her on the stake for being accused of this crime. None of us have the evidence and information to make that decision. If the case goes to trial, and she is found guilty, then I won't say anything about the comments being made, but she has a constitutional right to a trial and a chance to tell her side of the story. Shelly, thanks for showing me that not everyone is raring to join a bloodthirsty mob in search of vengeance.
Posted by: CMCstudent at March 24, 2004 09:14 PM (O0alb)
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Waaaaaaaaa! Waaaaaaaaaaa! Holy mary mother of god, this moron smashes up her own car, but she didnt! She did! Of course she did! She ought to get it right in the neck the trashbitch!!
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March 17, 2004
Loss Of Consortium
i've been silent this week because i'm helping Linda out on a trial. This basically means that i either sit in the audience and run errands for her, or do research and write little motions back at the office. Which is why i'm here tonight and not out drinking on St. Patrick's Day.
The trial is quite interesting. Hard to predict how it's going so far. Both sides are scoring points and the jury is hard to read.
The plaintiffs' case includes a claim for loss of consortium. In case you don't know, this is a claim that can be made when one spouse is injured and the other non-injured spouse says they lost out on sex, affection, love, help around the house and other stuff like that. We represent the defendants.
What i want to know, just out of curiosity, is what you folks think about that type of a lawsuit. In Linda's case, one plaintiff received some minor injuries: sore back, sore neck, etc., which went away with some physical therapy after two or three months. During those two or three months, the husband complained that they weren't able to have sex their usual two times per week, and the wife couldn't help around the house as much. They're both in their late thirties and they've been married 14 years.
Assuming that the defendants were negligent for causing the wife's minor injuries, what would you do about the husband's claim if you were on the jury?
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I'm not entirely sure I understand the question. My answer to the question as I do understand it is simple: I'd do what the law says I'm supposed to do. That's what jury instructions are for. If the plaintiff is entitled to damages for loss of consortium, and he proves them, then he gets them. (Quantifying them may be hard, but that's not at all unique to loss of consortium claims.)
Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 17, 2004 08:41 PM (of2d1)
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Okay, Matt. You have the basic facts. How much do you give the husband?
Posted by: annika! at March 17, 2004 09:13 PM (zAOEU)
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Even though this is of no legal help, I would refute the husbands claim and tell the loser to suck it up and use his hand like every other Joe who isn't getting any. Sheesh, some guys these days.
Posted by: Sky Monkey at March 17, 2004 09:49 PM (2EoMl)
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In this case the husband's claim is undeserving. There is no guarantee that the husband and wife would've had sex even if the accident had not occurred. He wants $ for something that "might" have happened. Bullshit. Too many variables could've affected that.
But here is the key thing for me> The husband wasn't deprived of sex with his wife. He wasn't deprived of having an orgasm during sex with his wife. Call it what it is> he was deprived of his "usual" method of sex with his wife.
Most every man I know would be completely happy to egage in different methods of sex with his wife. Am I wrong about this-- most every man is happy with the proceedings if he comes out of it with an orgasm-- isn't this the case for virtually every man?
Is a husband to throw a hissy fit and be rewarded b/c his injured wife cannot bring him to orgasm in the usual manner?
Also, if the wife is having sex twice a week, she will be willing to adjust to her infirmity and have sex with her husband in a fashion that will not cause further injury. If it's a wife's habit to have sex twice a week, and she is not willing to adjust in this fashion, then she is a bit of a shrew, and the husband does not deserve to be rewarded b/c his wife is a bit of a shrew.
Based on my life experiences, if I was in the jury room that's what I would tell my fellow jurors.
Posted by: gcotharn in Texas at March 17, 2004 09:58 PM (E9paH)
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Well hell, I was married from the age of 21 to 39, and I'd gone without sex MANY times for periods as long as that. Hell, almost everybody deployed to Iraq is in that spot as we speak.
Posted by: Casca at March 18, 2004 02:46 AM (BRVtJ)
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Is this even provable? Hubby and wife could have going at it like bunnies on viagra and if they are both in court saying they couldn't how would you prove otherwise?
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at March 18, 2004 04:20 AM (CSxVi)
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I hate this claim -- it's one of the reasons that I do not want to be a plaintiff's attorney. It's one of those "throw everything out there and see what sticks" claims.
As a juror, I would be turned off by it, and if at all permissible under the jury instructions, I would avoid awarding even a cent to this claim.
My opinion: suck it up. I could see if the wife was seriously injured and completely incapacitated -- then maybe an award for this claim would be appropriate. But in this case, where she was quickly rehabilitated, I don't think it's worth much.
Posted by: ginger at March 18, 2004 04:46 AM (eYQ9U)
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Haven't most (or at least many) states abolished the cause of action for loss of consortium? Or am I thinking of dower and curtesy? Or maintenance and champerty, which I know is getting far away from the subject, but then I guess I'm just picking medieval-sounding archaic torts off the top of my head.
I'm definitely with Ginger on this: if I could not find anything but that the evidence met the plaintiff's burden of proof, then the typical one dollar in nominal damages.
Posted by: Dave J at March 18, 2004 06:15 AM (VThvo)
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gcotharn in Texas: "most every man is happy with the proceedings if he comes out of it with an orgasm" - The sexism of this statement is only exceeded by its wrongness. If I had to guess then I would say that you have been sleeping with the wrong men.
Posted by: StumpJumper at March 18, 2004 06:52 AM (C34kV)
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It seems that a loss of consortium case would only be justified if it could be proven that the injured spouse were obviously milking the minor injuries to avoid "regular duties" as a spouse for an extended period.
Posted by: Lionel Hutz, behind the Orange Julius stand in the Springfield Mall at March 18, 2004 07:03 AM (QyDeG)
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Tough one. If, as Annika says, the defendant was negligent then you might be inclined to find for the plaintiff because, hey, the defendant screwed up and why should the plaintiff pay for his mistake(As for how much? I dunno. What does the law allow?)? However, isn't that what "pain and suffering" rewards are about? If he's just piling it on, I'd have a hard time justifying an award for this.
All this of course assumes a fair minded jury. Good luck with that.
Russ
Posted by: RussNY at March 18, 2004 07:42 AM (pSoT7)
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People are wasting their lives and those of their fellow man in order to sue for 'consortium'? this is f'ing ridiculous.
Posted by: Scof at March 18, 2004 08:41 AM (XCqS+)
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Stephen,
Sworn, in-court testimony is evidence. Many people really struggle with that concept, but it's how our judicial system works. (Shit, that's what a trial is all about!) If I get on the stand and say it, and the jury buys it,
that's "proof." Say you're in the bathroom of the local alehouse, and Joe Schmoe comes in, gives you a dirty look, and punches you in the nose for no reason at all. You defend yourself, and in the process Joe gets a mouthful of broken teeth. There are no other witnesses. The cops come. Joe mumbles, "that guy assaulted me in the bathroom; I defended myself." You're arrested and charged with assault. You tell your story on the stand, and claim self-defense. Joe tells his story on the stand. The jury believes Joe, and convicts you. "But," you say, "it was self-defense." As your lawyer, I say, "
that doesn't matter now; the jury didn't believe you." This sort of thing happens
all the time.
Posted by: Matt at March 18, 2004 10:23 AM (CF/QI)
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The point of law suits is to compensate people for their loss, to put them in as good of a postion as if the wrongdoing did not happen. If loss of consortium is not compensated, then the full social harm is not paid for by the defendant. Without having to pay for the full harm, the defendant would be "under-deterred" from such negligence in the future.
Even though I'm a defense lawyer, I think these damages are appropriate. I'd award $50/day for the period the wife was laid up (and the husband wasn't getting laid).
This is by no means an abuse of the legal system, in my opinion. A family is a unit, and if the wife is hurt, so is the husband, and the defendant should pay for the harm to both if found guilty.
Posted by: roach at March 18, 2004 10:25 AM (DHoAQ)
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Annie,
They haven't presented
any evidence on amount of damages? No "this is what it'd cost to hire a maid to do the equivalent things?" Nothing like that? (I suppose presenting evidence of what hookers charge might not fly with the judge -- though you
are in California, aren't you?!) OK, fine. Let's split the diff: 10 weeks. Say sex twice a week. (If I don't find their testimony on that credible, maybe I reduce it to something less, but right now I'll assume it's true.) Missed roughly 20 "encounters." Call those $100 each. Light cleaning from a maid service every week, say $50 per. $2500 damages. I might've gone for more if the jackass had put on some evidence -- or less if you put on some evidence giving me reason to think $2500 was too much.
And yes, I think remedies for loss of consortium have been abolished in many states. (I don't recall who asked that, but someone did.)
Posted by: Matt at March 18, 2004 10:27 AM (CF/QI)
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I think the husband deserves at least $300 for each "missed encounter" not including interest. Screw the "maid service" (so to speak).
Posted by: d-rod at March 18, 2004 11:00 AM (CSRmO)
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Matt,
I understand the nature of the system. I was merely answering the question of how I would think of it if I were on the jury. Having noting to base a decision on but the testimony of the people who are hoping to collect would make me a very skeptical juror.
If there were independent corroboration of the twice a week prior to the injury as well as the lack of intercourse following I would, as a juror, likely agree with damages.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at March 18, 2004 11:04 AM (CSxVi)
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Sore neck and sore back? Fuck them!
You've got a mouth bitch, learn to use it!
Next case.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 18, 2004 11:28 AM (7Uozi)
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Loss of consortium is, after all, a derivative claim. The husband will recover nothing, even if the wife was injured, if there is no negligence. It's also a bitch to disprove. Generally, if you have to get to the point of proving that loss of consortium didn't happen, you've already lost.
But my experience in Mississippi tells me that people aren't very sensitive to loss of consortium claims without serious injury.
Posted by: Scipiio at March 18, 2004 12:20 PM (14dkq)
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By Scipiio--"Generally, if you have to get to the point of proving that loss of consortium didn't happen, you've already lost.
But my experience in Mississippi tells me that people aren't very sensitive to loss of consortium claims without serious injury."
These are good points. I think the REASON juries aren't very sensitive to loss of consortium claims is because-- absent serious injury-- loss of consortium need not to have happened. Juries instinctively know that the worst that happened was loss of the USUAL METHODS of consortium. For a short period of time, attempting to recover damages for such a loss is bad form.
By Matt--"So we have to decide who it's fairer to be unfair to: the innocent victim, or the negligent asshole? The law generally takes the approach that if you've gotta be unfair to someone, better the negligent asshole than his victim. Makes sense to me. Why shouldn't you be the one who has to "suck it up" if, in fact, you're a negligent asshole?"
I thought this post was an excellent tutorial. I was going to say there really wouldn't be much "sucking up" required in this instance, but. . .
By StumpJumper--"gcotharn in Texas: 'most every man is happy with the proceedings if he comes out of it with an orgasm' - The sexism of this statement is only exceeded by its wrongness. If I had to guess then I would say that you have been sleeping with the wrong men."
OK, I do want a more encompassing experience than mere orgasm implies. However, THIS husband and wife could certainly enjoy that type of encompassing experience in spite of her injuries. What they REALLY want compensation for is lack of "usual methods" of bringing the husband to orgasm. Anything other than usual method of achieving orgasm- such as emotional closeness, etc., was certainly not denied to this couple. Unless you want to argue that emotional closeness, etc., can only be achieved in the course of enacting specific sexual practices.
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Once again, you all prove beyond a doubt, that i have the best visitors in the blogosphere. i can't tell you how much this interesting comments thread helps.
Closing arguments tomorrow. i'll let you know how we do.
Posted by: annika! at March 18, 2004 07:03 PM (zAOEU)
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I'm a day late on this, but what about the vows they took on the day they got married?
For better or worse, in sickness and health...
If I were on that jury, I wouldn't award the husband a penny. Dealing with those "losses" is a part of life. Get over it.
Posted by: jen at March 20, 2004 03:15 AM (0SLdf)
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Jen,
Why isn't dealing with a crippling auto accident "part of life?" I mean, shit happens, right?
If you wrongfully hurt people, you should make them whole to make amends for your wrongdoing. In many cases that's not exactly possible, so we approximate it through money damages. And what's wrong with that?
Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 20, 2004 03:30 PM (of2d1)
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Actually, kidding aside, I'd say I'm with Jen and Ginger on this one. Might be a reason why my ex-wife and I still enjoy each others company.
Posted by: d-rod at March 21, 2004 10:34 AM (JHUVw)
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Matt, I don't have a problem with penalizing a defendant if they were clearly responsible for wrongdoing. My personal opinion, without knowing the particulars of this case, is that the reasons this guy is suing (because his wife couldn't do housework and have sex for a short time) are a little ridiculous - dare I say, frivolous? Accidents happen all the time. They're part of life. My point in my original comment is that no one is guaranteed that their spouse will be able to perform their duties at all times because life happens. That's what "for better or worse, in sickness and health" means.
Our society is way too litigious - trying to blame others for all kinds of unfortunate things that happen. That's life. Get over it and do the best you can.
Posted by: jen at March 21, 2004 02:55 PM (0SLdf)
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You all have may have issed one important piece of this. What about the loss of one's ability to provide the day to day support that most families in today's dynamic environment rely on? Say the injured was a handyman and as a result of the injuries could no longer; or for a period of time could not; do the mechanic duties on the family car, keep up with lawn maintenance, etc. As a direct result of the injuries, the family realizes a financial burden that would otherwise not happen. In another example, say the injured was a wife who had primary responsibility; because the husband had a demanding job; for transporting children to sporting activities, music lessons etc. Suddenly the family must make arrangements for baby sitting, or negotiate transportation that could have an economic impact. Should the injured Party and their family bear the financial burden of another’s fault? While I understand the concepts behind some of the rather crude comments relative to sexual pleasures and how to relieve them, loss of consortium is much more than just intimacy between a husband and wife and the ability to "get your rocks off". Before making a rash decision “to fry the bastard” I believe many more factors must be considered.
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You all have missed one important piece of this. What about the loss of one's ability to provide the day to day support that most families in today's dynamic environment rely on? Say the injured was a handyman and as a result of the injuries could no longer; or for a period of time could not, do the mechanic duties on the family car, keep up with lawn maintenance, etc. As a direct result of the injuries, the family realizes a financial burden that would otherwise not happen. In another example, say the injured was a wife who had primary responsibility; because the husband had a demanding job; for transporting children to sporting activities, music lessons etc. Suddenly the family must make arrangements for baby sitting, or negotiate transportation that could have an economic impact. Should the injured Party and their family bear the financial burden of another’s fault? While I understand the concepts behind some of the rather crude comments relative to sexual pleasures and how to relieve them, loss of consortium is much more than just intimacy between a husband and wifeb and "getting your rocks off". Before making a rash decision “to fry the bastard” I believe many more factors must be considered.
Posted by: intrigued by the comments at April 19, 2004 06:26 PM (s6c4t)
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You all have missed one important piece of this. What about the loss of one's ability to provide the day to day support that most families in today's dynamic environment rely on? Say the injured was a handyman and as a result of the injuries could no longer; or for a period of time could not, do the mechanic duties on the family car, keep up with lawn maintenance, etc. As a direct result of the injuries, the family realizes a financial burden that would otherwise not happen. In another example, say the injured was a wife who had primary responsibility; because the husband had a demanding job; for transporting children to sporting activities, music lessons etc. Suddenly the family must make arrangements for baby sitting, or negotiate transportation that could have an economic impact. Should the injured Party and their family bear the financial burden of another’s fault? While I understand the concepts behind some of the rather crude comments relative to sexual pleasures and how to relieve them, loss of consortium is much more than just intimacy between a husband and wife and the ability to get one's "rocks off". Before making a rash decision “to fry the bastard” I believe many more factors must be considered.
Posted by: me at April 19, 2004 06:35 PM (s6c4t)
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Loss of Consortium, I do know applies to marital couples. What about when a person is injured and they are living with a person (female, male, do they consider that loss of consortium towards the mate in which they are living or just applies only to marital relationships.
Posted by: Verna Davus at August 29, 2005 08:11 AM (PZUUN)
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In California, you have to be married.
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Spain 3, A Rhetorical Question
Spanish troops did not fight alongside the US in the recent war. They only helped us afterwards. Their contribution of 1300 soldiers to the post war occupation is much less than the contributions of Italy (3000), Poland (2500), and Great Britain (8220). Roughly equal to Spain's were the contributions of The Netherlands (1300) and the Ukraine (1650) to the occupation forces.
So why Spain? Why were they chosen for the first big hit? (After Bali, of course, who sent no troops.)
You might say it's because the attack was timed to coincide with the election. i don't believe it. Not with the numerological significance of 911 days after 9/11, on 3/11. i think people are giving the bastards too much credit by assuming they planned to affect the political process.
These terrorist assholes are superstitious, backward and politically unsophisticated. But numbers and dates of historical significance are very important to these pigs. They think they're students of history. They think they understand history. We all know they have long memories. 9/11 apparently has some centuries old significance to them.
This is why i think Spain was chosen for this first big time European attack. It really had little to do with Iraq, despite what the pigs said in their video, and despite what the majority of Spanish voters seemed to think. Spain was at the top of the bastards' list because of the Crusades, and Andalusia, and Ferdinand and Isabella. Long before we went into Iraq, Osama was making repeated references to the loss of Spain by the Moors. They're obsessed with Andalusia, because it was the height of their once great civilization, and a symbol of how far they've fallen.
If the 3/11 attack was solely a retaliation for cooperation in Iraq, why not hit London first? Why not hit Italy or Poland first. It wouldn't have been that hard to hit the Dutch or the Ukranians before Spain. Why go after the country that's number six on the coalition list when there's other easy targets with more "culpability" in the war?
Because the terrorists are pissed off at Spain for a lot more than just having been our friends. They hate Spain for the Reconquista. They will always hate Spain, until it's theirs again.
So if the Spanish socialists and those who voted for them think they can escape future attacks by pulling out of Iraq . . . i'm not so sure. The only way they (or any of us, really) can be safe is to convert now and become an islamic dictatorship under sharia law. That's not my opinion, it's what the terrorists themselves have been saying they want.
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God DAMN it, f-in' HaloScan ate my comment! My fault; I clicked on another comment link without first posting this one. I'll keep it short:
1) It's 912 days, not 911, unless you leave out 3/11/04. Nobody I know counts like that. Got this from an OxBlogger, and I double-checked him. He was right.
2) PR. AQ gains big-time PR points if the "Arab street" thinks AQ actually mattered in a European election. What other force in the Middle East can plausibly claim that? Doesn't matter if it's BS; perception is everything. I suspect AQ is hurting for men, money and influence right now, and saw Spain as a relatively soft target with good PR value.
Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 15, 2004 11:04 PM (of2d1)
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Could be a coincidence - and it depends on whether you count 9/11 as a day and/or 3/11 as a day; in either case, it was eerie, even if a coincidence.
As I was driving home on 9/11/01, however, it did occur to me that September 11th was the date on which in 1683 the Moslem armies were defeated before the gates of Vienna - this was the last time the Moslem world faced off against the West on fairly equal terms...after that, it was all downhill; defeat followed by defeat until in 1918, the fully indepdent territories of the Moslem world were Turkey and Saudi Arabia - and this only by gift of a West which couldn't decide who should be the colonial overlord of the territories in question.
I believe to this day that the choice of 9/11 as attack date was tied into the earlier date - a means of telling the Moslem world that they were once again fighting on equal terms with the West.
Posted by: Mark Noonan at March 16, 2004 01:58 AM (ycySA)
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Annika, you touched on some interesting points as to why the terrorists hit Spain. I completely agree that the Islamists are still pissed about losing Spain centuries ago. I'd like to add bluntly though that another reason they hit Spain is because Spain is filled with pussies and the terrorists knew it. Spain can't do much of anything as far as military action is concerned. Their main purpose in life now is making olive oil and tapas. And don't dare interrupt their siestas.
Posted by: Jason H. at March 16, 2004 05:07 AM (yDD8m)
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Regardless, in the weeks leading up to the election I'm carrying everywhere (I have a Magnum). Any towelhead I see acting the slight bit strange (more than their usual filthy, angry, stupid way) I'll fill with lead. Shoot first, and don't bother with questions.
What possible judge or jury will blame me in the slightest (so far we've kept the ragheads off the bench). I think everyone should follow my lead: Eventually most will be so scared they'll go back to the festering shitholes that create such so-called human abominations.
There is no downside, except for a temporary shortage of cab drivers. We'll get new ones that smell better.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 16, 2004 06:08 AM (tyrEY)
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First off, the loon on the AQ video claimed the bombing was for Iraq and
Afghanistan which Europe (for the most part) supported. Next time they'll be bombing France for banning headscarves on Muslim school girls. It doesn't really matter what reason is cited. The fact is, Madrid was an effective hit like 9/11 so give credit where credit is due. We lost one battle in the war. The answer is not to stick our head in the sand and pray like Hugo might suggest.
Second, I guess Matt missed my response to him on the question on annikas "vacation" post. 911 had elapsed since 9/11/01 and 3/11/04 could mark the beginning of the next 911 days or something.
Third, RR's comment is too stupid to even comment on.
Posted by: d-rod at March 16, 2004 08:30 AM (CSRmO)
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Agreed with most of the points made here but watch out for the underestimation of AQ/Islamic Fascists. Most of their senior hierarchy are educated. Jason H. is correct in that the Spanish were the weakest coalition ally and a moderate shock would change the government. Perhaps the urge to appease stems from Franco/fascist guilt. (like Germany)
The bottom line we have to move on, and accept that it is our duty to willingly defend even the naive and misguided European States that try to subvert us.
I have been struck for a few weeks by a conclusion of Krauthammer's recent AEI speech, i.e., that it's our duty in the first & second quarter of this century to destroy Islamic fascism. Then the problem of a preeminent China will take center stage in 2050.
Posted by: Jason O. at March 16, 2004 09:19 AM (QyDeG)
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date calculator yields 910 days. Still it depends on how you count it, time zones and stuff, so i'm still convinced it's not a coincidence. Like many religious fundamentalists, symbolism is very important to the Al Qaeda types. Also 3/11
is exactly 2 and a half years from 9/11.
Posted by: annika! at March 16, 2004 02:16 PM (zAOEU)
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If it weren't for Leap Day is would be 911 days. Maybe the terrorists forgot about Leap Day (different culture different calendars). I mean people in America forget about it all the time, so why not in those backwards Arab countries? I only remember it because it's my birthday!
Posted by: javaslinger at March 16, 2004 03:30 PM (3rYmf)
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Er, javaslinger, you're kidding, right? It'd be the same number of days regardless of what calendar you use.
Tangent, I admit, but since you were born on February 29th, do you know the whole formula for the Gregorian calendar reform?
Posted by: Dave J at March 16, 2004 07:25 PM (+MjkF)
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I was being a bit facetious, but you would be mistaken to assume that everyone goes by the Gregorian calendar.
Yes, I do know the formula pertaining to Leap Day. Back in the day the Romans realized that the calendar was way off, so they extended one year by almost 100 days too get back on track, then came up with the formula to deal with the extra six hours in a 365 day year. Every four years the six hours approximately makes one day, so they tag it onto the shortest month of the year, February. I have read that February was picked because it used to be that last month of the year. Not sure on that fact.
Anyway, it is not all perfect, so at every turn of the century (unless the year is evenly divisible by 400 (i.e. - 2000)) there is no Leap Year.
In 1996 I read in my local paper that a woman was 100 years old, but had only had 24 birthdays. This was due to the fact that 1900 did not have a Leap Year (not evenly divisible by 400).
Tangent done.
Posted by: javaslinger at March 17, 2004 09:03 AM (3rYmf)
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RR,
What kind of "a Magnum"? .22 Winchester Magnum Rimfire? .357 S&W Magnum? .41 Remington Magnum? .44 Remington Magnum? .45 Winchester Magnum? .222 Remington Magnum? .240 Weatherby Magnum? 7mm Remington Magnum? 7mm Weatherby Magnum? .300 Winchester Magnum? .300 Remington Ultra Mag? .458 Winchester Magnum? .460 Weatherby Magnum? Etc., etc., ad nauseum . . .
I'm sorry, but the term "a Magnum" is a small pet peeve of mine; it always gives me the impression the speaker is a teenager who doesn't know much about guns, but thinks they're really cool.
d-rod/annie,
Not saying the number of days elapsed might not mean something. It just bugs me that everyone seems to be parroting the "911 days" line when, in fact, you've got to do some kinda funky counting to arrive at that number. The fact that the bombings in Spain were exactly 30 months after 9/11/01 is far more likely to mean something, in my book. I'm sure that alone would've been plenty symbolism for the Islamists, if it was them, even if it'd only worked out to 908 days.
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Are there not 911 days
between 9/11 and 3/11?
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It's 911 days if you start counting at "one" on 9/12/01 (the end of the first 24-hour period following the 9/11 attacks) and stop on at "nine hundred eleven" on 3/10/04. Does that answer the question?
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It depends on what "between" means. Wow, were Clintonian territory here.
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Yep. It depends on what "between" means. That's why I was kinda trying to define "between." Unfortunately, language isn't as precise as we'd like sometimes. But I think we all know what "is" means.
Posted by: Matt at March 17, 2004 11:08 AM (CF/QI)
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OK , I've summoned Thomas Aquinas to settle this argument among the calendar monks...
Meanwhile, they blew up the trains three days before the election with the goal of getting The Popular Front out. That's like three dots, maximum, to connect.
Posted by: Jason O. at March 17, 2004 12:49 PM (QyDeG)
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Jason,
Well, you let us know what the Doctor says. Whatever his conclusion, I'll abide by it.
Posted by: Matt Rustler at March 17, 2004 05:45 PM (of2d1)
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In the law, one starts counting in the next day, thus 911 is a correct calculation.
Of course, I doubt that these particular individuals are concerned with legal niceties, so I figure it was close enough for government work.
Either way, my own predication is that if they try that crap here, the population of America is likely to react much differently than voting for a Socialist government. Just look at how we reacted to the World Trade Cener and The Pentagon outrages.
Posted by: Shelly S. at March 18, 2004 10:32 AM (rZmE1)
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It's 912 days if you count the way the law counts.
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Dane-geld
(A.D. 980-1016)
Rudyard Kipling
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IT IS always a temptation to an armed and agile nation,
To call upon a neighbour and to say:—
“We invaded you last night—we are quite prepared to fight,
Unless you pay us cash to go away.”
And that is called asking for Dane-geld,
And the people who ask it explain
That youÂ’ve only to pay Â’em the Dane-geld
And then youÂ’ll get rid of the Dane!
It is always a temptation to a rich and lazy nation,
To puff and look important and to say:—
“Though we know we should defeat you, we have not the time to meet you.
We will therefore pay you cash to go away.”
And that is called paying the Dane-geld;
But weÂ’ve proved it again and again,
That if once you have paid him the Dane-geld
You never get rid of the Dane.
It is wrong to put temptation in the path of any nation,
For fear they should succumb and go astray,
So when you are requested to pay up or be molested,
You will find it better policy to says:—
“We never pay any one Dane-geld,
No matter how trifling the cost,
For the end of that game is oppression and shame,
And the nation that plays it is lost!”
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Where i Live
Yah, another quiz.
Find out where you live in Politopia.
North-You are a Northerner-a free marketeer-which means that you advocate a diminished role for the government in the economic realm. You are more or less pleased with the government's role in the personal realm.
i think some of the quiz questions could be phrased better, it does tend to skew towards the center. Also some important issues were not even included, i.e. gun rights, abortion.
Got it offa doubleplusgood.
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Annika,
I landed just a few kilometers South by Southeast of Randland.
Notice the philosophical proximity of our longest serving president and two of the 20th century's most notorious statist butchers. All three were self-avowed champions of the people.
I'm not sure that tiny island offers a sufficient buffer.
J.W.
Posted by: Jasen W at March 15, 2004 02:46 PM (9s4nx)
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Jasen W,
It's enough of a buffer: you just have to fortify your position at the river where they'll most likely cross & keep a look out on the coast in case they try to flank you.
Annika,
This will come as a shock but I landed directly underneath Ayn Rand (on the map that is)
Posted by: Publicola at March 15, 2004 03:26 PM (Aao25)
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We'll have to stock the Main Stream with piranhas so those pesky Southerners can't bother us.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 15, 2004 05:38 PM (+S1Ft)
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Very, very far south for me. Almost off the map. Tierra Del Fuego, here I come!
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I was on about the same latitude as Bush but even west of Rand.
But don't confuse FDR with Hitler/Stalin. FDR wanted you to do you could for the country, but he wasn't about to frickin' KILL you over it. Thank G-d I'm an American...
Posted by: Tuning Spork at March 15, 2004 08:27 PM (PucHz)
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I'm really disappointed, I got Centerville. I've got to work harder.
Gotta shoot more towelheads!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 16, 2004 08:05 AM (tyrEY)
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Hmmmm... draw a line south from Drew Carey and West from GWB and I'm just north of the intersection. I can live with that.
Posted by: Ted at March 16, 2004 12:21 PM (blNMI)
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For the record, I was about 1 klick SE of Rand. I think OS was directly underneath Rand. Considering that OS makes me look like a statist, I think this quiz lacks a certain degree of sensitivity.
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My head hurts a bit this morning form a few too many bottles of Pacifico last night. i'm reading stuff on the internet instead of getting to work. There seems to be a lack of good analysis on the Spain thing, which i can understand; i myself can't seem to put together a coherent post on it. The lefties are having no problems though. Guys like fisk are positively gleeful. On the right,
NRO is more subdued.
Lesson: terrorism can work. Prediction: therefore expect more of it. Expect more terrorism aimed at the United Kingdom, against Australia, against Poland, and – ultimately – against the United States. For the terrorists must now wonder: If murder can influence elections in Spain – why not in the United States?
In the United States, the terrorists have to make a very fine calculation: Which would hurt President Bush, their supereme enemy, more – to attack or not to attack?
i think we can expect attacks in GB, perhaps Australia. And i wouldn't want to be anywhere near Pakistan the next time they have an election. i don't think the bastards have the guts or the resources to infiltrate Poland. What about here? After 3/11, i would be very surprised if there were not some attempt to influence our own election with an attack a few days before November second. Would it have the desired effect? At this point, i wouldn't even want to guess.
Update: Thank God for the Australians, though.
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Same way in my posts about it, I found the belmont club has some good stuff though
Posted by: Scof at March 15, 2004 02:32 PM (XCqS+)
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A,
I don't know if you make it a habit to read Dan Darling of Regnum Crucis, but his analyses are deep and detailed (if overly populated with run-ons and typos). He's one of my best sources for terrorism analysis, and an almost-daily read.
Kevin
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Spain
Very depressed today. Looking at lefty blogs will do that to me. Also trying to figure out what the Spain election means.
Everything i try to type about the Spanish election ends up looking trite, so i backspace it out. i guess i'm just not in the mood. In lieu of my own thoughts, here's what i found at Iberian Notes:
What happened? It's clear: the people of Spain are not willing to risk standing up to domestic or international terrorism and would prefer to appease the terrorists in hopes that they will be left alone in the future. . . . A victory for appeasement. A victory for cowardice. The Spanish people demonstrated today that they have no courage.
Harsh words? Hell, i don't know. If somebody punches you in the nose because they don't like your friend, do you sit there and say, "well maybe my friend
is kind of a jerk?" It won't change the fact that your nose is still bleeding. Hell, i say when someone punches you, it's time to go get some payback. But then, i'm an American.
Too many innocent people died Thursday, but the most Spain will do to right that wrong is maybe throw a handful of conspirators in jail. And hope the terrorists don't blow something else up in retaliation for their friends' incarceration. Meanwhile, we have one less ally as we do the hard, hard work of bringing fundamental change to the region that produces such murderers, so things like this will stop happening.
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Regardless of one's nationality, using your nose punching analogy, I look for the why's.
The terror attack intimidated the Spanish people, and on some level, either didn't trust the previous regime, or as mentioned in Iberian Notes, lack courage.
However, it does speak to the inability of Spain's security and police force to figure out where their susceptabilities lie.
Then, I'm looking for payback.
Posted by: joe at March 15, 2004 06:04 AM (B4Y1Y)
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The biggest problem is that this is a huge victory for Islamic fascism. President Bush was right when he said in 2001 that they miscalculated when they hit us, i.e., they lost Afghanistan and Iraq.
Unfortunately, they came up smelling like roses in Spain. One can only hope that there's some negative unintended consequence for them, perhaps the investigators find a good piece of intelligence.
Posted by: Jason O. at March 15, 2004 06:28 AM (QyDeG)
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It's all that and so much worse: like you, I really have difficulty putting my reaction into words. Many more people will die because of this act of--to be most charitable--willful blindness.
I confess to being stunned. The French or the Germans reacting this way would not have surprised me remotely as much, but whatever has become of Spanish honor? To see a country choose surrender so quickly and easily that did not take freedom for granted, that lived under fascism within living memory, is horrifying beyond all capacity to express.
Posted by: Dave J at March 15, 2004 07:36 AM (VThvo)
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The Spanish know far more about war than we do; far more about dictatorship than we do -- theirs was a wise vote for peace.
And Annika, you know your bible too well to get away with the nose punching analogy.
Matthew 5:39 or Luke 6:29 is for both personal matters and transactions between states, imho.
Cheers!
Posted by: Hugo at March 15, 2004 07:58 AM (828RD)
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A wise vote for peace?
Hugo, the islamists have stated that they intend to reclaim Spain as an Islamic state.
They have declared war on Spain.
This is a foolish vote for "Peace in our time." Which turned out so well last time.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at March 15, 2004 08:27 AM (+S1Ft)
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I don't think we should be holding our breath for a lot of direct action against the terrorists from the new Spanish government. As much as I don't like the idea of the U.S. as global sheriff, any action that emboldens terrorists is a threat to American security.
If this is the work of Al Quida - and it is certainly looking that way - then we need to step up direct operations against them. If we don't get the FULL cooperation of the Pakistan government they should be dealt with accordingly. Perhaps we could outsource THAT to India.
Posted by: Stephen Macklin at March 15, 2004 08:30 AM (CSxVi)
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Regardless of why Spaniards voted in this way (certainly because they were against the war in Iraq to a large degree), and despite the fact that to the Spanish voter, this may well be the right choice, it stinks. It's bad for America, because there goes a European ally, and it's bad for Spain, because right now Al-Qaeda knows that all they have to do to dramatically influence Spanish politics in the future is to bomb a train station in Madrid in the week before the election. It boggles the mind that Aznar mishandled the bombing to such a degree, but as appalling as the cynical attempt to blame ETA was, this result is even worse.
Posted by: Scipio at March 15, 2004 08:39 AM (14dkq)
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The Spanish going tits up socialist isn't surprising. The Spanish aren't willing to fight anyone unless the apex of their enemy's military technology is a wooden spear tipped with a stone arrowhead.
Spain is just falling in line behind the rest of Europe. Duh. America can't count on any of them if you ask me. Didn't we learn that after September 11, 2001? We should have.
Terrorists won a great victory for their world-wide Islamic cause this weekend. Terrorism, it seems, works.
Gracias, Spain. You cowards. Enjoy your tapas while you can.
Thank God I'm an American.
Posted by: Jason H. at March 15, 2004 08:46 AM (yDD8m)
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The interpretation "Spaniards voted for the opposition so as to pacify the terrorists" seems too simplistic by far, I don't understand why it has so much support. Other elements surely include the perceived deception by Aznar, AFTER he had earlier governed against the majority of his people based on principle - you need to be seen as standing on a higher moral ground than the population to be able afford that, so if you then sin, you suddenly look pretty arrogant and ghastly. Or the fact that leftist voters who were apathic earlier due to the corruption of the socialists were now re-mobilized. I'm not saying voters are statistically rational, but the fact that they never fully are doesn't mean that analysis need not be comprehensive. Competition is good - let the Europeans try to find a better approach to fighting their own muslim terrorism than the George Bush approach of "A stranger punched my friend, so I beat up the unfriendly guy down the street who I never liked, never mind the resulting neighbourhood feud."
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Another Swedish Worry?
Remember my recent post on
Swedish uranium? Here's another tentative Swedish connection. i'm not quite sure what to make of it.
According to the Czech Republic news agency, CTK, Czech police seized "hundreds of tons of imported, military-grade plastic explosives and detained two men on weapon-trafficking charges on March 10." The police, no doubt sensitive to protocol, failed to identify the country from which the shipments originated but a Czech newspaper spilled the beans: The country is Sweden and the shipment was 328 tons of explosives. 328 tons! Might have blown up all of Madrid for all I know.
Now, to be fair, i have seen no reported link between any Swedish plastic explosives and the Madrid bombings. In fact, the explosives used in yesterday's bombings was TNT based, if i'm not mistaken. Correct me if i'm wrong, but plastic explosive is nitroglycerine, is it not? Anyways, it worries me that i'm seeing Sweden's name pop up twice in one week in connection with terrorism.
Link via Little Green Footballs.
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C4 is just plasticized RDX. I'm not sure about Semtex, or any other foreign plastic explosives. No idea what's in Titadine, though if it's
true dynamite, its active ingredient should be nitroglycerin. But who knows? There are lots of explosives out there. U.S. "military dynamite" isn't really even dynamite, these days, it's mostly RDX with some TNT and a few other things mixed in.
Posted by: M at March 12, 2004 04:32 PM (of2d1)
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M knows too much about explosives. M must stand for Muslim. M kidding.
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"M" stands for "Matt," when Matt makes a mistake using the autofill function on his browser. :-)
For the record, I used to be a Marine artilleryman, and I killed lots of down time in the field reading technical manuals on munitions. Plus, I worked with a combat engineer officer for a while, and we had some lengthy discussions on this stuff. I mean, why wouldn't I? One of the best parts of being a Marine was getting paid to
blow shit up. So why not learn as many ways as possible of doing that?
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i'd Pull Her Fucking Hair Out And Kick Her In The Ass
This fucking bitch wouldn't be smiling if i ever got hold of her.
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Now now Annika. What about presumption of innocence? How about you wait until the trial is over, then beat her.
Posted by: The Maximum Leader at March 12, 2004 09:38 AM (MeCkf)
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Presumption of innocence my ass. That's an overused cop-out. The only people a defendant is entitled to have presume them innocent are the jury: the rest of us aren't required to set aside common sense.
But don't mince words, Annika: tell us how you really feel. ;-)
Posted by: Dave J at March 12, 2004 11:03 AM (VThvo)
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Hopefully she gets the bullest of dykes to "marry" her in prison.
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 12, 2004 11:23 AM (tyrEY)
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Thank you Annie! Give her a swift kick for me. 200ish Spaniards dead, the same thing could/will happen in America, she's doing her part to help bring it off, and she can't wipe the smile off her face from all the attention. Grrrrrr!
Posted by: gcotharn at March 12, 2004 11:25 AM (rZmE1)
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Damn, girl, a little intense, aren't you? Do it once for me, too! Make it twice!
Posted by: Rich at March 12, 2004 06:28 PM (yBlYZ)
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Funny, I feel that way about MOST democrats.
Posted by: Casca at March 12, 2004 07:35 PM (BRVtJ)
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Dang, remind me never to ever, ever piss you off.
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Hollow Words
I was saddened and outraged by the news of the terrible attacks in Madrid this morning. I am horrified at the large number of dead and injured.
--German Chancellor Gerhard Schroeder
In these horrifying circumstances, I extend in my name and in the name of the French people, my most sincere condolences.
--French President Jacques Chirac
An end must be put to this. As never before, it is vital to unite forces of the entire world community against terror.
--Russian President Vladimir Putin
The Holy Father reiterates his firm and absolute disapproval of such actions that offend God, violate the fundamental right to life and undermine peaceful coexistence.
--Vatican on behalf of Pope John Paul II
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Whaddya expect the Pope to say, Annie? "Crucify the fuckers!"?
Posted by: Matt at March 12, 2004 12:56 AM (of2d1)
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I think the intent is to show the inconsistency - all of them seemed to be okay with the murder of innocents by state actors, but not private actors.
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Yeah, I need more help understanding, Annie, what is so hollow about the Holy Father's words.
Posted by: Hugo at March 12, 2004 09:14 AM (828RD)
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All of these people were opposed to Bush's actions against Iraq. These people all talk a great game when it comes to terrorism but are completely unwilling to do anything to stop it. That is why their word seem so hollow now.
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Thank you, Tony and SJ.
Posted by: annie at March 12, 2004 10:28 AM (zAOEU)
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Some of us believe that the prayers of the Holy Father -- and the universal church -- are more effective weapons against terrorism than smart bombs and Airborne rangers.
"Some trust in chariots, but we trust in the name of the Lord our God..."
I'll grant you the others, but not JP2.
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Perhaps it's time again for the Holy Father to issue yet another apology.
"We cannot not recognize the betrayal of the Gospel committed by some of our brothers, especially in the second millennium. Recognizing the deviations of the past serves to reawaken our consciences to the compromises of the present. We humbly ask forgiveness," Pope John Paul II repenting for the errors of his church over the last 2,000 years.
The Holy Father seems to have a short memory these days.
Posted by: d-rod at March 12, 2004 11:41 AM (CSRmO)
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You'll sooner see McDonald's promoting veganism than the Pope promoting war. That's as it should be, unless you think the Crusades were
good things. And it's why, as I explained about a year ago on my own blog, the Church's own doctrine -- now, at least -- explicitly provides that the ultimate right to decide to go to war (or not) rests with civil authorities, not the Church.
Since the days of Papal armies are long gone, exactly what should the Holy Father do to stop terrorism? He's significantly different from the other three in a very important respect: He has essentially no temporal power to influence the outcome of the war; he has no army at his disposal. What's he supposed to do, deploy the Swiss Guard to Baghdad?
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He could say something like " We've got to exterminate these cockroaches and scorpions before they fuck up annie's vacation plans again".
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Second-guess their hollow-ness, Annie. I wasn't closely following foreign policy at the time but I can say now that losing Putin's alliance is more of a major diplomatic failure on Bush's part than any supposed "hollow words" from Russia's leader. Putin was the first leader to call with condolences after 9/11 and take a stand with Bush, and the Russian people were among the most sympathetic, strewing the embassies with flowers. But the winds change quickly, you're right, and not because of any Russian hypocrisy. Our treatment of Putin and the whole relationship with Russia at the time was a complete disaster, the most inane behavior I can imagine. We literally slapped them in the face.
Now that I'm telling you why the problem of Iraq is our fault, let me question your premise. Think about 9/11 and the origins of the "War on Terror" -- much bigger than Iraq (and which Iraq isn't really even a part of). You should be thinking of Afghanistan, where Russia swiftly swept in to give us aid and intelligence, extremely valuable as their understanding of and preparedness for war in that region was far superior to ours. (The republics bordering Afghanistan are, after all, part of the former Soviet Union, and still home to Russian military bases.) They are actually the ally that made our campaign to topple the Taliban successful. And when we slapped them in the face for their help, is it any surprise that when we started pushing against them to take a much more questionable position, Putin was ready to stand up and say no? I think not. Indeed, at least in the case of Russia, the Dems are absolutely right in naming Bush a complete and utter diplomatic failure on the Iraq issue.
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Candace, you make some good points concerning the diplomacy or lack thereof concerning Russia.
OxBlog has a post examining some of the issues and difficulties.
"The experience in the postcommunist world is clear: The fastest democratizers are also the fastest economic reformers and the most successful economies."
As such, the Bush administration should not hesitate to demand that Putin's stop undermining the foundations of Russian democracy. Colin Powell should not be saying that "I have some concerns, but I don't think democracy is in trouble in Russia." It is. And when the US ignores that fact, it damages our own credibility as a global advocate of democratic reform.
Moreover, Putin is hurting our efforts to win the War on Terror by waging a brutal and senseless war in Chechnya. While we can't force Putin to change his ways, we can keep the global spotlight on his authoritarian and aggressive behavior. Ever the self-interested pragmatist, that kind of negative attention may just keep Putin in line. "
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Al Qaeda Fucks Up My Vacation Plans
Betty and i were in Spain two years ago. i fell in love with the country and the people. Betty's family on her mother's side is Spanish. Ever since then we've been saving to go back. This was supposed to be the year. We were a little worried about terrorism back in 2002, but our worries turned out to be unfounded. Oh there were a few
car bombings in Seville for the WTA meeting a few weeks before we arrived, but nothing on the scale of this morning's train bombings.
In 2002, we rode the AVE high speed train from Seville to Madrid. It was one of the most pleasant train rides i've ever had, and we met some really cool people. i remember disembarking at the Atocha Station, which was one of the targets hit this morning. i feel so sad for the people of Madrid. During our visit, we were both impressed by how friendly, not to mention attractive, everybody was. This attack makes me sick.
i could be wrong, but i personally believe this was done by muslim terrorists, if not Al Qaeda itself. The Spanish government initially said that the explosives were the same type used by ETA. But that doesn't convince me. Naturally, Al Qaeda would use the same type, they probably obtained the explosives from the same black market source. And they've been itching to get back at Spain ever since Boabdil got kicked out of Granada back in 1492.
Although the UN was quick to blame ETA, this AJC.com article leads me to believe that the m.o. of this attack is not at all consistent with ETA's style. For instance:
[I]f ETA did conduct such a large and wholesale attack in its quest for independence of the Basque region in Spain and France, it would represent a major shift in its tactics.
'It does not compare with anything they have done . . . This kind of indiscriminate killing is totally unlike them so far,' said Joseba Zulaika, a professor and director of the Center for Basque Studies at the University of Nevada at Reno.
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Zulaika said the group's attacks have usually been marked by advance warning and that the separatists were critical of police in 1987 for what they said was failure to warn the public of a bomb ETA had planted in Barcelona.
(Madrid blogger John still holds that ETA was responsible. His excellent blog, Iberian Notes, is the place to go for news on this tragedy.)
There have already been large anti-ETA demonstrations across Spain, just as there were a few years ago after one of the last ETA attacks.
The Spanish Government has been a solid ally of this country, while it's people have been somewhat more critical of us. If it turns out that this was an islamic terrorist bombing, perhaps they will realize that being anti-US is no protection from these subhuman bastards who simply enjoy killing.
Update: John makes a strong case for ETA as the culprit. The comment thread here is quite interesting.
Update 2: Spanish Prime Minister Aznar still thinks it was ETA. But remember, Aznar was very tough on ETA, and in fact survived an assassination attempt by them. There's an election this weekend and if the bombers were ETA, Aznar's party would benefit. However, if the attackers were Al Qaeda, Aznar's party might not benefit, since he has been severely criticized for his support of the US in the Iraq war.
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From what I can tell, the ETA often uses Semtex in its bombs. (Perhaps not always; they seem to have access to some C-4, too.) So do most of the terrorist scumbags in the world. I'm skeptical that the type of explosive used can tell us much about the bombers, unless it's homebrewed stuff made according to some sort of terrorist "family recipe." But that doesn't seem particularly likely, since both ETA and al Qaeda almost certainly have access to the good stuff.
Posted by: Matt at March 11, 2004 07:50 PM (of2d1)
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Annika, I used your flag photo on my blog...
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Posted by: annika! at March 11, 2004 11:32 PM (He88O)
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Matt, here's what John said at Iberian Notes:
"There were thirteen backpack bags, each loaded with fifteen kilos of titadine. Eleven of them went off in four different trains, two at Atocha, one at El Pozo, and one at Santa Eugenia. The police say that because of the explosive used it's a 90% probability ETA did it. They also say that a new technique was used in the making of the bombs."
i never heard of titadine, do you think its another name for something?
Posted by: annika! at March 11, 2004 11:37 PM (He88O)
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Good question. I hadn't heard of it, but Googling revealed a bunch of mentions -- the vast majority in Spanish. One of the English language pages called it "Titadine dynamite," and the ETA (with some French terrorists) apparently stole a bunch in France back in 1999. There've been rumors -- seemingly highly questionable ones -- that they sold some to Hamas a while back.
That's pretty good evidence that it was in fact ETA. Not foolproof evidence, mind you; if I were an al Qaeda cell member in Spain, it might be easier for me to buy explosives from the local terrorists than to try to import the stuff. But it's pretty good evidence, nonetheless.
Posted by: Matt at March 12, 2004 01:07 AM (of2d1)
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The 3/11 attack occurred exactly 2½ years and exactly 911 days after 9/11/01. Mere coincidence?
Posted by: d-rod at March 12, 2004 01:06 PM (CSRmO)
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Dude, I noticed the date relationship but, honestly, you actually counted the days?! That's a little frightening if no one's paying you for it. ;-)
Posted by: Matt at March 12, 2004 04:11 PM (of2d1)
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I hadn't counted the days when I commented, but it isn't that hard 365+365=730 to start off, right? Then I count 19 days from 9/12/03-9/30/03. Add 31+30+31+31+29+11 and it adds up to 912! D'oh!!! Anyway 911 days did pass between the attacks and 3/11/04 could mark the beginning of the next 911 days. Since al Qaeda seems involved, its just speculation what it might mean to them.
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Lileks' Perspective
Because he puts it much better than i could, here is
Lileks' take on the question of which side is taking the high road and which side the low road in this election.
People say all sorts of things in elections. The underlings and infantry fire the cheap shots, and let the big dogs lope along the high road. But when the top officials of the party start slinging the slander, weÂ’ve entered a different era. And no one seems to notice, because the story becomes the charge, not the nature of the accusation.
Accusing oneÂ’s opponent of treason is a personal attack. Al Gore accused Bush of 'betraying this country.' Reasonable people could say he misled the country, or misruled the country, and make the argument to support the assertion, but 'betrayed' is a word that has a special quality when talking about the President of the United States. IÂ’ve heard General Wesley Clark question the PresidentÂ’s patriotism, and insist that his religious beliefs were misguided, because the Democratic Party is the party that truly hews to Christian doctrines. . . . And of course we heard Governor Dean insert the 'Bush was warned' meme into the body politic.
There’s nothing comparable on the other side. Nothing. I mean, the Bush team runs an ad that has a second of 9/11 footage, and his opponents pitch a carefully staged fit – because that’s all they have.
i agree. it's the Democrats who've sunk to "Willie Horton" style campaigning, and they've been doing it for months, unopposed.
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And yet the GOP can't seem to effectively point this out...we've got a bunch of panzies running the PR. They don't need to go back at them willie horton style, but simply and loudly point out the horrendous nature of what they are charging/labeling the GOP with.
Posted by: Scof at March 11, 2004 11:37 AM (XCqS+)
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And yet, Scof, people continue to also buy into the idea that Karl Rove is some kind of evil genius when that's obviously false. The President's numbers started to slide as soon as Karen Hughes went back to Texas: she, not Rove, was the real genius, or at least the one who understood how to keep the show on-message.
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Exactly, we need Karen Hughes back!
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Damn, i Opened Another Trick Spam E-mail By Mistake
Doh!
This one contained an ad for some car dealer, and the following strange message:
I am a single serving friend. My job was to apply the formula. How embarrassing. There were many examples of animals all around.
(I'm loving the way you walk with me so quietly, contentedly.) I can never describe the walk back to my truck. The continuation of our species matters more than you can imagine. It is the single most important thing we can do. That could well be the answer.
My job was to apply the formula. I wished so deeply for the change to come about. I wished so deeply for the change to come about. I'll tell you what happened next.
Love, and hate, are powerful emotions. Don't do that, the cat pointed out. But under the circumstances, I'd do it again. I'm cold, you said, staring at the continuation we had to feel through yesterday. A house full of condiments and no food.
Weird, eh?
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This emailer clearly put the scene from Matrix 2 with the architect and the last 20 minutes of 2001 A space odyssey in a loop, smoked up and started typing.
Posted by: Jason O. at March 11, 2004 08:42 AM (QyDeG)
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Some of that is from Fight Club.
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March 10, 2004
Disgusted By Kerry
i'm so disgusted by John Kerry. Four years ago i never would have believed that the Democrats could produce a candidate with less character than Al Gore. But John Kerry makes Gore Look like George Washington. i truly believe Kerry is more dishonorable than Bill or even Hillery Clinton. He's a disgrace.
Just as it happened with Al Gore, at some point the media will not be able to cover for him anymore. His deficiencies will reach a critical mass and he will self destruct. i think it's sad. Edwards would have been so much better for the Democratic Party, but they've made their bed now. They're so consumed with their irrational Bush hatred, that they had to choose a hater, rather than Edwards, who actually had a positive message.
Captain's Quarters is all over Kerry's latest gaffe:
Senator John Kerry revealed an ugly and poorly controlled side of himself when he thought he was off-mike this afternoon while speaking with AFL-CIO union workers in Chicago:'. . . "Keep smiling," one man said to him.
Kerry responded, "Oh yeah, don't worry man. We're going to keep pounding, let me tell you -- we're just beginning to fight here. These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group of people I've ever seen."'
Simply appalling. . . . you can see a Kerry aide hurriedly trying to disconnect the microphone, to no avail, which leads me to wonder what else John Kerry says when he thinks the mikes are off.As is
Hugh Hewitt:
Kerry obviously meant the president, the vice president, Karl Rove and the president's re-election campaign. . . .
Now the media needs to call him on it. What's the evidence for 'crooked,' for 'lying?' What's he mean, and in detail. You don't get to walk away from such outrageous charges with a laugh and a wave. Kerry was a defender of Clinton, recall, a president demonstrated to be a liar and crooked. . . . But Bush-Cheney are worse than Clinton in Kerry's world. The president let slip once in 2000 what he thought of New York Times' reporter Adam Clymer, and the world collapsed on him. Kerry's charge is so much more serious that it defies comparison.
i've heard the actual tape of the slander many times today. It's obvious he was calling the President and the administration a bunch of crooks and a liars. i know he's not the only one saying that, but as a presidential candidate, itÂ’s inexcusable to say those things in public. The big problem i have is that he said it out in the open, when he knew he could be overheard. That shows an astounding lack of judgment. But then, exhibiting a lack of judgment has never been out of character for Kerry.
When Bush made his Adam Clymer comment, at least he was saying it to an aide, not a member of the public. Kerry was walking along a receiving line, shaking hands with the public, when he slandered the president.
You've seen these events on CSPAN. A candidate spends maybe a half hour shaking hands with total strangers, trying to be friendly and trying to make everyone think that he really cares who's hand heÂ’s shaking. ItÂ’s repetitive business, so they always have their standard canned comments, which they repeat at every receiving line.
Usually the canned comments are along the lines of "Nice to see you . . ." "How you doing . . ." or "It's great to be here . . ." When Kerry says "We're going to keep pounding . . . we're just beginning to fight here," i imagine those are phrases he's said hundreds of times at hundreds of different events.
Which leads me to question whether Kerry also repeats, soto voce, that "These guys are the most crooked . . . lying group of people I've ever seen" every time he shakes hands at an event.
What's even more disgraceful is that the guy is a coward. Since he's not fooling anybody when his lackeys at Reuters and AP try to cover for him, why not admit the truth and say: "Yes, IÂ’m talking about this administration!" That would certainly appeal to his base, proving his right to take over Dean's spot as chief hate-monger. Instead, by backing down from the obvious intent of his remark, he makes himself look weak on the single most important issue to his base: Bush hatred.
Kerry wants it both ways. He wants to energize his live crowds by letting them know he's just as irrationally mean and hate-filled as they are. At the same time, he wants to appear civilized and centrist when he's on camera, to appeal to the swing voters who don't normally attend political rallies.
Here's more proof of Kerry's two-faced approach:
The East Bay for Kerry / MoveOn House party on December 7th combined the forces of two grass-roots organizations based in San Francisco East Bay Area. . . .
When Teresa Heinz-Kerry arrived, she handed me a pin that read in the center: 'Asses of Evil' with 'Bush', 'Cheney', 'Rumsfeld' and 'Ashcroft' surrounding it.
Those Democrats got a lot of class, don't they? That bit of info is from the
Kerry for President blog, too.
The candidate's wife is perfectly comfortable calling the President of the United States "evil" and an "ass," along with the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General. Then the candidate himself expects us to ignore our own ears and believe that he wasn't calling the President of the United States "crooked" and a "liar."
(It reminds me of the Simpsons episode when Side Show Bob was up for parole and the parole board asked him why he was wearing a t-shirt that said "Die Bart Die" on it and he said, "Oh, it's not what you think, that's German for 'The Bart, the.'")
Al Gore had his problems, personality-wise, but he was never this bad. When Kerry loses in November, without a Florida or a Nader as excuses, will the Democrats be honest enought to realize that they have only themselves to blame? i doubt it.
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I have to say, I find the "asses of evil" thing terribly funny. I haven't got much of an opinion on the rest of it. I certainly don't think that the "Anyone but Bush" attitude is a very intelligent one, but on the other hand I really do not want him re-elected, and the democrats made their choice. Argh. I am just not up for thinking at the moment. But really - Asses of Evil? Funny.
Posted by: other Annika at March 10, 2004 10:17 PM (/cd58)
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Hey, I'm an older guy who thinks these thoughts, Annika. When you articulate them, it does my heart good.
"If you are are twenty and not a liberal, you have no heart; if you are thirty and not a conservative, you have no brain"
von Bismarck
Annika, whatever age, you are right on on this one.
By the way, eight months out, polls mean little; the incumbancy and the funds to send the message are daunting to Kerry, and he is now facing the doldrums (look it up guys).
Watch the polls change in the next few months.
Kerry is a dead man walking. I don't care if he gets Hillary, Billary or Dock to be his running mate.
Posted by: Shelly S. at March 10, 2004 10:45 PM (rZmE1)
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Annika, he gets to me too. I said the other day that my hatred for Kerry is reaching bushian proportions lately, and I mean it more and more every day. He keeps doing these things that make me absolutely loathe him.
Posted by: Sarah at March 11, 2004 06:49 AM (efcHv)
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Do you know where I could hear a clip of Kerry saying this? I can't find one anywhere, and living overseas, we don't get to hear that kind of stuff. (It was a week before I heard Dean's scream.)
Posted by: Sarah at March 11, 2004 07:06 AM (efcHv)
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Yes, Kerry is looking more and more like a nastier and more odious Gore each day. Inconsistent, contrived and totally transparent.
He's also following Dean's path perfectly. Nothing but nasty, no-class venom. He'll have a short lived boost from the moonbats but soon mostly everyone will tire of his shtick and send him to a dismal defeat.
A few years from now he'll be an obscure Trivial Pursuit question (next to Paree' Hilton).
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 11, 2004 07:37 AM (tyrEY)
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As a 36 year-old whose liberalism should have passed its expiration date half a decade ago, let me jump in with both feet.
Annika, leaving aside Kerry's merits (don't blame me, you know full well I voted for and sent money to Dennis Kucinich), it's not as if this kind of invective is new in American politics. By 19th century standards (with the famous low point of the 1884 election between Cleveland, and I think, James G. Blaine), "crooked liars" is tame stuff indeed.
Nixon's Watergate tapes revealed a stunningly foul mouth.
And I don't think angry words are hate-mongering. Why, some of my best friends are Republicans. I regularly call them "heartless capitalist bastards"; they regularly call me an "effete limousine liberal out of touch with the regular world". Then we all have a good laugh and go grab a latte.
Chill, folks.
By the way, Kerry loses Florida but takes Ohio and West Virginia. All other states stay the same as in 2000; Dems take the White House. Hugo's personal prediction.
Posted by: Hugo at March 11, 2004 07:41 AM (828RD)
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Hugo,
To paraphrase another Nixon moment, I wear a proper Republican cloth coat and drink proper Republican black coffee....If your GOP friends drink lattes, they should be admonished. At a bar near the MA state house, I notice that Democrats also tend to order single malt scotch with ice...which is like pouring CA Chardonnay into a Bordeaux Cabernet...i.e., insanity.
Annika, I share your disdain for Kerry, I live in Boston and know people who have been on the Cape/Islands witnessing Kerry pull his famous, petulant DYKWIA moments, these give deep insight into the man's character. The problem is if you thought the infamous 2000 James Byrd NAACP ad was the worst it could possibly get from the Dems, you ain't seen nuthin' yet. By Memorial day this campaign will be vicious beyond any precedent...and still with 60 days before the convention!!!
Posted by: Jason O. at March 11, 2004 08:37 AM (QyDeG)
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"you know full well I voted for and sent money to Dennis Kucinich...Then we all have a good laugh and go grab a latte..."
Who is this eunuch?
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 11, 2004 08:56 AM (tyrEY)
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"Ma, ma, where's my pa?
Gone to the White House ha, ha, ha!"
No, Hugo, i know "crooked liar" is sorta tame by James Callender standards, but it's the sort of thing that should be spoken by surrogates, not the major candidate himself.
Posted by: annika! at March 11, 2004 09:13 AM (zAOEU)
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Just to refresh your memories on Republican vulgarity:
"We kicked a little ass last night"
George H.W. Bush after debating Geraldine Ferraro, 1984...
And my dear Mr. Redneck, you are invited out with me and my pals any time for lattes and stimulating, good natured political dialogue.
Go Bears.
Posted by: Hugo at March 11, 2004 10:59 AM (828RD)
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I know Kerry must be loathsome because Annika doesn't even bother to misspell his name.
John Kerry's our man!
flips-flops in the wind just like
Bill Clinton's scrotum
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at March 11, 2004 12:54 PM (amj7F)
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Hey Kevin, what's your character for John Kerry look like? i think you should transmogriphy the Howard Dean cock into a Kerry lookalike?
Posted by: annie at March 11, 2004 12:58 PM (zAOEU)
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Ooops, i just checked Kevin's site. Keep the sheep-fucker motif, it works!
Posted by: annie again at March 11, 2004 01:02 PM (zAOEU)
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Who's Carey? He sounds French.
Posted by: d-rod at March 11, 2004 01:39 PM (CSRmO)
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Qui c'est, ce "Carey"?
une carie = a (dental) cavity
Kevin
Posted by: Kevin Kim at March 11, 2004 02:17 PM (amj7F)
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"Four years ago i never would have believed that the Democrats could produce a candidate with less character than Al Gore. But John Kerry makes Gore Look like George Washington."
Classic!
Posted by: Mark at March 11, 2004 08:47 PM (q1/F4)
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"Go Bears"
No. Raidahs!
Posted by: Radical Redneck at March 12, 2004 08:02 AM (tyrEY)
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annika's Ego
The whole point of announcing my Blog-versary was to get nice comments and posts
like this one.
Did i mention my birthday's coming up?
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Thanks for the mention. You deserve the kind words. Trust me, all I said was quite true. Just be glad I live across the continent and have a lovely Mrs. Villain to keep me straight. I wasn't kidding about that restraining order... Keep on blogging. Happy "annie"-versary. (Couldn't resist.)
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How many spankings do you want?
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